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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's up, everybody, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Season with Peter Schreger. I'm Peter Schrager. I'm on

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Speaker 1: Good Morning Football Monday to Friday and the NFL network.

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Speaker 1: I'm on Fox NFL Kickoff on Sundays. We're not during

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Speaker 1: the divisional round of the playoffs. But before we get

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Speaker 1: to all that, and to our guests, I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to really go a little deeper on what occurred on

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Speaker 1: pulled off. I say the Cardinals because I think they

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Speaker 1: were the ones who didn't get any credit in this

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Speaker 1: whole situation for executing what was an incredible seventy two

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Speaker 1: hours and putting on an NFC Wild Card game in

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Speaker 1: a stadium that wasn't involving either team. The Cardinals sent

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Speaker 1: their team planes. We saw that. That's from the owner.

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Speaker 1: That's cool. How about the Cardinals PR staff led by

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Speaker 1: Mark Dalton and Chris Melvin and those guys. They thought

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Speaker 1: their season was over. They were preparing for the combine

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Speaker 1: and for the draft, and they were put into action

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Speaker 1: and were not only working with the Rams and the

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Speaker 1: league in credentialing media members, but they were on site

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Speaker 1: providing all the media elements that you need when you

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Speaker 1: arrive at a game as a media member working it.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals opened up their building, they opened up their arms,

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Speaker 1: and they embraced a division rival in the La Rams,

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Speaker 1: and did so with no complaints and with no second thoughts.

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Speaker 1: As for the Rams, incredible, incredible in that on the

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Speaker 1: Tuesday prior, they are in many cases evacuating their homes.

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Speaker 1: As so many of those RAM staffers live on the

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Speaker 1: some I know live in the Palisades and Altadena. They

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Speaker 1: they or at least involved in what was going on

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Speaker 1: do so as a team, and they go on Friday.

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Speaker 1: They have a practice in Arizona, which I was later

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Speaker 1: told before the game that it was their best practice

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Speaker 1: people say, oh, you say that every time, especially after

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Speaker 1: were ready, and there was this weight of we know

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Speaker 1: what we have to do. McVeigh preaches something, and he

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Speaker 1: preaches it always be your best when your best is required,

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Speaker 1: meaning when you need to be your best, be your

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Speaker 1: game experience, from PR, from marketing, from everybody who helped

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Speaker 1: brought their in game entertainment. They brought their team dj

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Speaker 1: they brought their team graphics, They brought everything that they

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Speaker 1: like a mobile experience to Arizona. They installed that and

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Speaker 1: they practiced for seventy two hours of getting that right,

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Speaker 1: so it at least felt like a Rams home game,

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Speaker 1: to understand Minnesota. As much as this was a home

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Speaker 1: The execution of Monday from a game day operations standpoint,

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Speaker 1: and they would have played the Commanders, which seemed like

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Speaker 1: a way inferior opponent to the Vikings. But McVeigh said,

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Speaker 1: this thing, they rest their week eighteen players, where everyone else,

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Speaker 1: Williams led the NFL in rushing attempts. He didn't touch

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Speaker 1: Of course, you look at Pukinakua and the way he

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Speaker 1: do you know, the injury report comes out All week

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald might have cost himself twenty to thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: And I don't say that to be you know, salacious,

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell the last two weeks of the season. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't affect a Coach of the Year votes, He's going

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Speaker 1: A lot of things to unpack there, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: focusing on the negative. I'm focusing on the positive now.

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Speaker 1: The question is, as we spin it forward towards the

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Speaker 1: Was that so much emotion, so much we're playing for La,

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Speaker 1: It's possible. I was there in the Week twelve game

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Speaker 1: I was there. I saw it. It was a one

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Speaker 1: but I'll tell you this if and it sounds defeatus,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm putting a rap on the Rams season.

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Speaker 1: If that's all we get. And that's all they did.

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Speaker 1: The Rams went from a one and four start, a

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Speaker 1: that they actually went out and played their best game

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Speaker 1: That was the big story Monday. And then at halftime

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Speaker 1: report online that Dion Sanders and the Cowboys are talking,

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Speaker 1: and Chefter's like, yeah, they are. There was a conversation,

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Speaker 1: and then he actually gets a quote from Dion which

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Speaker 1: the record from Schefter that Dion and Jerry have had

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Speaker 1: every single day, not of the fact that I would

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Speaker 1: hire Dion Sanders as my coach if I was the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: but that Jerry Jones might. Jerry Jones is eighty two

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Speaker 1: years old. Jerry Jones is always beat by his own drum.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones has hired two kind of vanilla coaches the

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Speaker 1: last two times around, and Jason Garrett and Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: going to get further than the Divisional round in any

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Speaker 1: down the list, whoever else has been a head coach.

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Speaker 1: He's hired eight in his life as a Cowboys owner.

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Speaker 1: The three biggest splashes were Jimmy Johnson, were Barry Switzer,

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Speaker 1: and were Bill Parcells. All three of those big splash

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Speaker 1: coaches won games for the Dallas Cowboys and got them

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Speaker 1: If Jerry Jones wants to lift his eyebrows and make

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Speaker 1: Dion Sanders, I think he's the only owner that would

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Speaker 1: do it, and I don't think it's that crazy that

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Speaker 1: it would happen. Consider this, Dion can navigate that relationship.

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Speaker 1: He's known Jerry since he was a free agent signing

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Speaker 1: That's how long this relationship goes. If there is any

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Speaker 1: of Dallas and what it means to be the head

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Speaker 1: coach of America's team, it is Dion. I'll also add

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Speaker 1: this other lever and layer to it. Dion Sanders was

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Speaker 1: the face of the NFL Network for like the first

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Speaker 1: He was the biggest star. He was prime time and

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Speaker 1: having worked with him at Super Bowls and worked with

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Speaker 2: someone within your football ops program. It's either the head,

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Speaker 2: the general manager's assistant, the president's assistant, the owner's assistant.

429
00:23:45,986 --> 00:23:50,186
Speaker 2: The assistants are all collaborating getting that done, contacting people,

430
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Speaker 2: the individuals that you're going to interview, and their agents.

431
00:23:54,106 --> 00:23:56,906
Speaker 2: So it's a lot of people working together. And again,

432
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Speaker 2: depending on the organization and who has the juice right,

433
00:24:00,666 --> 00:24:03,666
Speaker 2: whoever's closest to the owner, that's usually where a lot

434
00:24:03,666 --> 00:24:05,626
Speaker 2: of that ends up coming. You know, Peter, we could

435
00:24:05,626 --> 00:24:11,426
Speaker 2: have an entire podcast conversation about the dynamics of and

436
00:24:11,506 --> 00:24:16,826
Speaker 2: the psychology behind Again, who's influencing the owner and the

437
00:24:16,826 --> 00:24:20,426
Speaker 2: owner's decision based on what's best for the team and

438
00:24:20,466 --> 00:24:25,346
Speaker 2: what people are being territorial and possibly you know, protecting

439
00:24:25,426 --> 00:24:27,746
Speaker 2: their own turf based on who's hired.

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Speaker 1: So let's get to that a little bit without naming

441
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Speaker 1: any teams or any individuals, Like, there are going to

442
00:24:33,266 --> 00:24:37,426
Speaker 1: be candidates that are either personal friends of people who

443
00:24:37,626 --> 00:24:40,626
Speaker 1: are doing the interviewing in the room or are just

444
00:24:40,666 --> 00:24:43,626
Speaker 1: hot names. But like, is there if you pick the

445
00:24:43,746 --> 00:24:45,946
Speaker 1: right guy and you push for the right guy and

446
00:24:46,066 --> 00:24:47,946
Speaker 1: he gets selected and you go on to success. Is

447
00:24:47,986 --> 00:24:50,586
Speaker 1: that like a notch to the owner, like, hey, I

448
00:24:50,746 --> 00:24:52,946
Speaker 1: was I was influential in pushing for this guy. Is

449
00:24:52,946 --> 00:24:53,946
Speaker 1: that the win in the room.

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Speaker 2: This is a great question because you know, one of

451
00:24:56,706 --> 00:24:58,786
Speaker 2: the things I learned early in my career, and I

452
00:24:58,786 --> 00:25:02,346
Speaker 2: remember Parcels talking about, is don't keep score. Yeah right, right,

453
00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:06,306
Speaker 2: it's like if you don't make decisions and keep sc

454
00:25:06,586 --> 00:25:08,626
Speaker 2: or because we all have to serve one another. And

455
00:25:08,626 --> 00:25:12,666
Speaker 2: this is what happens within the competitiveness of football and business. Right,

456
00:25:13,586 --> 00:25:16,066
Speaker 2: there's a lot of us that mostly dudes who have

457
00:25:16,106 --> 00:25:19,746
Speaker 2: too much testosterone and make this about a competition in

458
00:25:19,826 --> 00:25:22,426
Speaker 2: trying to be right or trying to be the person

459
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Speaker 2: that gets closer proximity or more love and influence with

460
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Speaker 2: the owner, when that's not what it should be about. So,

461
00:25:30,186 --> 00:25:32,906
Speaker 2: those those dynamics are real things. As silly as it

462
00:25:32,946 --> 00:25:36,226
Speaker 2: may sound to an outsider that no, that doesn't go on.

463
00:25:36,706 --> 00:25:40,266
Speaker 2: People are human and that stuff does happen. Unfortunately, it

464
00:25:40,346 --> 00:25:44,066
Speaker 2: shouldn't be about. It's about getting it, not getting it right,

465
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Speaker 2: not trying to be right yourself.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so you mentioned ourselves and you have

467
00:25:49,746 --> 00:25:54,946
Speaker 1: all these lessons and stories from ourselves. But I would say,

468
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Speaker 1: do you have notes on that Atlanta search? I like

469
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Speaker 1: using it as a case study. Do you know, can

470
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Speaker 1: you mention who the other head coaches were that you

471
00:26:01,026 --> 00:26:02,866
Speaker 1: got your candidates that you guys actually met with in person.

472
00:26:04,706 --> 00:26:07,106
Speaker 2: Everyone knows who they were. They were mostly made public.

473
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Speaker 2: We're very transparent organization. I know Doug Maron was one

474
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Speaker 2: of the people that was interviewed. I know that we interviewed,

475
00:26:16,626 --> 00:26:22,066
Speaker 2: you know, again along longest Rex Ryan was. That was

476
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Speaker 2: an epic interview.

477
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Speaker 1: This is post Jets or post bills, Rex Ryan.

478
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Speaker 2: This is Oh my gosh, this has got to be

479
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Speaker 2: This is twenty fifteen, so this is this is post bills.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's already done the Jets. Yeah, got fired

481
00:26:36,986 --> 00:26:38,706
Speaker 1: and I worked for the Bills for two years and

482
00:26:38,826 --> 00:26:40,906
Speaker 1: was looking for a third bite at the Apple. Okay, Yeah,

483
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Speaker 1: and you know.

484
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Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say. You know, Rex was a terrific interview.

485
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Speaker 2: Rex is a you know, I've actually I've known Rex

486
00:26:48,346 --> 00:26:51,066
Speaker 2: since when I was an offensive line coach at Murray

487
00:26:51,106 --> 00:26:54,066
Speaker 2: State University and he was the defensive coordinator at Moorhead

488
00:26:54,106 --> 00:26:58,506
Speaker 2: State Man. He his defense wore us out and we

489
00:26:58,546 --> 00:27:02,626
Speaker 2: became friends back then and I got to know him

490
00:27:02,626 --> 00:27:05,746
Speaker 2: as you know, more as his career went on and

491
00:27:05,826 --> 00:27:07,986
Speaker 2: mine went on. And when he came in an interviewed.

492
00:27:07,986 --> 00:27:09,946
Speaker 2: He did a terrific job for us. And you know

493
00:27:09,946 --> 00:27:14,066
Speaker 2: a lot of people see the The Rex it's on

494
00:27:14,146 --> 00:27:16,706
Speaker 2: TV and the show that he gives. Does he have

495
00:27:16,786 --> 00:27:19,746
Speaker 2: a little pet barnum to him? Absolutely, he embraced that.

496
00:27:19,826 --> 00:27:23,066
Speaker 2: But let me tell you what that dude is smart,

497
00:27:23,346 --> 00:27:26,226
Speaker 2: I mean crazy smart. It was a terrific interview and

498
00:27:26,626 --> 00:27:27,946
Speaker 2: you know, I remember there were some people in the

499
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Speaker 2: room that were there. This is pretty good. This was

500
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Speaker 2: pretty good, all.

501
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Speaker 1: Right, so Rex Marone dan Quinn. Just to have the

502
00:27:37,226 --> 00:27:38,746
Speaker 1: different list who else was in that?

503
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Speaker 2: In all gosh, I should have had notes prepared because

504
00:27:41,506 --> 00:27:44,146
Speaker 2: you asked if I have notes, dude when I'm gone.

505
00:27:45,066 --> 00:27:47,426
Speaker 2: You know, I like to my wife and daughter call

506
00:27:47,506 --> 00:27:50,586
Speaker 2: me a hoarder. I like to fancy myself as more

507
00:27:50,586 --> 00:27:52,946
Speaker 2: of a historian. Yeah, so I save a lot of things,

508
00:27:52,986 --> 00:27:55,946
Speaker 2: a lot of notes. I want to say that we

509
00:27:56,466 --> 00:27:59,466
Speaker 2: coach called Well was a part of that, because I

510
00:27:59,506 --> 00:28:01,506
Speaker 2: know he was part of you know, because I've been

511
00:28:01,546 --> 00:28:05,346
Speaker 2: through so many different head coaching searches that they're they're

512
00:28:05,426 --> 00:28:07,666
Speaker 2: kind of running together right now in my mind at

513
00:28:07,666 --> 00:28:08,226
Speaker 2: this moment.

514
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Speaker 1: So Dan Quinn walks in, and he of course was

515
00:28:12,746 --> 00:28:15,866
Speaker 1: had his history with Pete Carroll and there's a great

516
00:28:15,986 --> 00:28:18,226
Speaker 1: resume to him and they just fresh off the Super

517
00:28:18,226 --> 00:28:22,466
Speaker 1: Bowl loss. Dan Quinn comes in. What do you remember

518
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Speaker 1: from the questions you guys asked, not only him but

519
00:28:25,346 --> 00:28:27,626
Speaker 1: all the candidates, Like what were you asking in? What

520
00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:30,306
Speaker 1: does a what does a room? Because I'm picturing the

521
00:28:30,346 --> 00:28:33,186
Speaker 1: combined interviews which we've seen where it's a circular room

522
00:28:33,226 --> 00:28:36,266
Speaker 1: and people are peppering questions. But again, every team is

523
00:28:36,266 --> 00:28:39,106
Speaker 1: different and every interview is different. How do they usually

524
00:28:39,106 --> 00:28:40,706
Speaker 1: go down? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Here was Here's what I remember. Here's the funny part.

526
00:28:43,586 --> 00:28:45,906
Speaker 2: What I remember about Dan's inery when he you know,

527
00:28:45,946 --> 00:28:48,706
Speaker 2: I only knew Dan a little bit, but we got

528
00:28:48,706 --> 00:28:51,306
Speaker 2: to know when we had we'd intersected with so many

529
00:28:51,546 --> 00:28:57,026
Speaker 2: common people and relationships, and I know Thomas was really

530
00:28:57,306 --> 00:29:00,706
Speaker 2: positive about Dan and going in we're looking forward to

531
00:29:00,706 --> 00:29:03,586
Speaker 2: this one, Tom Petral And here's what I remember though,

532
00:29:03,666 --> 00:29:06,746
Speaker 2: is Dan was exhausted right they were on a run.

533
00:29:06,866 --> 00:29:08,826
Speaker 2: He came in, We finally got a chance to get

534
00:29:08,866 --> 00:29:11,266
Speaker 2: him and I want to say he came in on

535
00:29:11,306 --> 00:29:13,666
Speaker 2: the red like a red eye, or maybe we sent

536
00:29:13,706 --> 00:29:16,466
Speaker 2: the play but he was exhausted. Now picture this, we

537
00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:18,426
Speaker 2: all know Dan Quinn and what he looks like, right,

538
00:29:18,666 --> 00:29:21,746
Speaker 2: dudes wearing a ball cap backwards. Dan shows up in

539
00:29:21,786 --> 00:29:26,106
Speaker 2: his suit, so suit doesn't fit up. Shirt doesn't fit them,

540
00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:32,586
Speaker 2: you know. And it was hilarious. And I remember the visual.

541
00:29:32,866 --> 00:29:35,866
Speaker 2: And once we loosened up, I said something to him

542
00:29:35,866 --> 00:29:37,866
Speaker 2: off there, and we just started busting up. He says, Man,

543
00:29:37,906 --> 00:29:42,026
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm in his suit. But Dan did

544
00:29:42,026 --> 00:29:45,786
Speaker 2: a great job in the interview. Because you know, we

545
00:29:45,826 --> 00:29:49,346
Speaker 2: talk about analytics, we talk about psychological tests, because we

546
00:29:49,386 --> 00:29:53,186
Speaker 2: do psychological testing with all the candidates. Depending on your organization,

547
00:29:53,306 --> 00:29:55,866
Speaker 2: you do it differently, depending on if you're working with

548
00:29:55,946 --> 00:29:59,226
Speaker 2: a search firm. Some search firms have their own tests

549
00:29:59,226 --> 00:30:01,946
Speaker 2: that they give. But one of the most important things,

550
00:30:01,986 --> 00:30:05,186
Speaker 2: even with combined interviews, I mean, Peter, you interview people

551
00:30:05,226 --> 00:30:08,146
Speaker 2: for a living. Yeah, you've spent so much time with people.

552
00:30:08,826 --> 00:30:11,426
Speaker 2: You can pick up bs right, you can pick up

553
00:30:11,426 --> 00:30:14,506
Speaker 2: when things are authenticity and see.

554
00:30:14,706 --> 00:30:17,266
Speaker 1: Authenticity is the number one factor in me.

555
00:30:17,346 --> 00:30:23,266
Speaker 2: J and and and that's I think something that that

556
00:30:23,386 --> 00:30:26,346
Speaker 2: can't be picked up. Now, I'll say this, I think

557
00:30:26,346 --> 00:30:29,706
Speaker 2: there were a group a couple of people in that room. Thomas.

558
00:30:30,466 --> 00:30:35,066
Speaker 2: Thomas has a very good ability to evaluate who's full

559
00:30:35,066 --> 00:30:39,106
Speaker 2: of it and who's not. Arthur Blank has an amazing ability.

560
00:30:39,546 --> 00:30:42,906
Speaker 2: I'm telling you what. Two people that that I worked

561
00:30:42,906 --> 00:30:48,026
Speaker 2: with that that have I think superior ability the BS

562
00:30:48,066 --> 00:30:52,426
Speaker 2: meters in terms of owners. Arthur Blank and Robert Craft

563
00:30:52,586 --> 00:30:55,986
Speaker 2: are terrific in terms of seeing people and reading through nonsense.

564
00:30:57,226 --> 00:31:01,106
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I'm not saying this. My

565
00:31:01,306 --> 00:31:04,426
Speaker 2: skill is more in the area of exactly this. With

566
00:31:04,586 --> 00:31:11,386
Speaker 2: Dan's interview, you could see feel here. You know, I

567
00:31:12,146 --> 00:31:15,946
Speaker 2: listen with my eyes right and yeah, my dad told

568
00:31:15,986 --> 00:31:18,066
Speaker 2: me when I was a kid, two eyes, two ears,

569
00:31:18,106 --> 00:31:21,986
Speaker 2: one mouth, use him in the proper proportion. And Dan

570
00:31:22,706 --> 00:31:26,186
Speaker 2: you could tell was the real deal. And it was

571
00:31:26,226 --> 00:31:33,266
Speaker 2: an energy and authenticity. And also I think of positivity

572
00:31:33,426 --> 00:31:37,706
Speaker 2: because you know, we used to joke about, you know,

573
00:31:37,826 --> 00:31:40,146
Speaker 2: the leadership group there's gonna be around the football program.

574
00:31:40,386 --> 00:31:44,466
Speaker 2: Thomas is very positive, but he also has a history

575
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Speaker 2: of where some things are. It's so positive, you know,

576
00:31:47,346 --> 00:31:49,866
Speaker 2: same with me. Dan was bringing it all the time

577
00:31:49,986 --> 00:31:52,306
Speaker 2: and he was just a regular dude, and you don't

578
00:31:52,346 --> 00:31:54,506
Speaker 2: sit in these interviews and talk about x's and owers.

579
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Speaker 1: I was going to ask that, do you ask, like,

580
00:31:56,266 --> 00:31:59,066
Speaker 1: all right, your defensive coach, what's your offensive scheme?

581
00:31:59,986 --> 00:32:03,146
Speaker 2: Here's what you need? To be more specific? And coming

582
00:32:03,186 --> 00:32:06,226
Speaker 2: from interviews that are personnel people, you say, what do

583
00:32:06,306 --> 00:32:08,146
Speaker 2: you need out of a right tell us a little

584
00:32:08,146 --> 00:32:10,186
Speaker 2: bit about your defense? Tell us what you want at

585
00:32:10,186 --> 00:32:13,066
Speaker 2: your right defensive end, at your left defensive end. And

586
00:32:13,186 --> 00:32:15,866
Speaker 2: we grew up in a school, Thomas and I, where

587
00:32:15,906 --> 00:32:19,466
Speaker 2: we were very system specific, so we would ask, okay,

588
00:32:19,706 --> 00:32:22,826
Speaker 2: what does the three technique need to be able to do?

589
00:32:23,386 --> 00:32:25,906
Speaker 2: And what does he need to look like? And why

590
00:32:25,946 --> 00:32:28,186
Speaker 2: does he need to look like that? So when in

591
00:32:28,266 --> 00:32:31,306
Speaker 2: terms of x's and o's, you know, we're all serving

592
00:32:31,386 --> 00:32:35,266
Speaker 2: one another. So the personnel department we needed to understand

593
00:32:35,386 --> 00:32:38,626
Speaker 2: only enough about what DQ or whatever other coach was

594
00:32:38,666 --> 00:32:40,546
Speaker 2: going to do, because we're the ones that have to

595
00:32:40,546 --> 00:32:44,106
Speaker 2: go out and find the players. Yeah, so for us

596
00:32:44,146 --> 00:32:46,226
Speaker 2: to dive into x's and o's and try to act

597
00:32:46,266 --> 00:32:48,106
Speaker 2: like we know x'es and o's as well, or know

598
00:32:48,146 --> 00:32:50,906
Speaker 2: what the hell of coach is talking about is ridiculous.

599
00:32:50,986 --> 00:32:55,466
Speaker 2: And you know, I understand, Hey, I played football my

600
00:32:55,506 --> 00:32:58,666
Speaker 2: whole life. I coached for four years, but I can't.

601
00:32:59,586 --> 00:33:02,466
Speaker 2: I don't know what they know need. So I think

602
00:33:02,546 --> 00:33:06,826
Speaker 2: sometimes it's kind of to do your job mentality, don't

603
00:33:06,826 --> 00:33:09,506
Speaker 2: get into their business, But then you start throwing things

604
00:33:09,546 --> 00:33:13,506
Speaker 2: at them. Ask them questions about Ask them about certain

605
00:33:13,586 --> 00:33:17,706
Speaker 2: specific situations that they were involved with with players that

606
00:33:17,906 --> 00:33:21,426
Speaker 2: might have been problems or if they weren't a head coach,

607
00:33:21,746 --> 00:33:24,466
Speaker 2: things that went on, how it was handled, and what

608
00:33:24,546 --> 00:33:27,306
Speaker 2: their feelings were and how they would to hand would

609
00:33:27,346 --> 00:33:30,106
Speaker 2: have handled it. You know, what is their fine system

610
00:33:30,146 --> 00:33:33,466
Speaker 2: with players? What do they believe that you know? Ask

611
00:33:33,506 --> 00:33:35,906
Speaker 2: them how they're going to handle certain situations. Ask them

612
00:33:35,946 --> 00:33:41,746
Speaker 2: about their their family dynamics, anything that is public about

613
00:33:41,786 --> 00:33:46,306
Speaker 2: them that is not positive. Ask for an explanation. That's

614
00:33:46,386 --> 00:33:48,706
Speaker 2: kind of like we do with the combine, Right. Ninety

615
00:33:48,706 --> 00:33:52,146
Speaker 2: percent of the questions we ask it the combine or

616
00:33:52,146 --> 00:33:55,186
Speaker 2: the answers to right, and we want to hear what

617
00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:58,186
Speaker 2: they have to say about it and what's their excuse?

618
00:33:59,026 --> 00:34:01,346
Speaker 2: You know, ask them who's your staff?

619
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Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask, So I know

620
00:34:03,506 --> 00:34:06,746
Speaker 1: there's the legendary like who's in your book? Like these

621
00:34:06,906 --> 00:34:09,386
Speaker 1: agents prepare this book. It's a binder or it's a

622
00:34:09,426 --> 00:34:12,186
Speaker 1: one pager or whatever it is. But so many coaches

623
00:34:12,226 --> 00:34:14,986
Speaker 1: talk about preparing their book and I'm prepping my book

624
00:34:15,026 --> 00:34:17,386
Speaker 1: and I say, well, what does that mean? Well, here's

625
00:34:17,386 --> 00:34:19,586
Speaker 1: who I will bring with me as my two coordinators.

626
00:34:19,626 --> 00:34:21,266
Speaker 1: Here's who I'll bring with Well, do you have commitments

627
00:34:21,266 --> 00:34:24,426
Speaker 1: from those guys? Well? No, but this is my dream scenario.

628
00:34:24,426 --> 00:34:26,586
Speaker 1: I'll have a list of three. Like, so, what's realistic

629
00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:28,546
Speaker 1: in there? When these guys come in and you say, okay,

630
00:34:28,586 --> 00:34:31,666
Speaker 1: well we like you, but you're you know, in dan

631
00:34:31,746 --> 00:34:35,266
Speaker 1: Quinn's case, you're a defensive coach, Like, who's your offensive coach?

632
00:34:35,546 --> 00:34:36,466
Speaker 1: How does that all go down?

633
00:34:36,866 --> 00:34:39,906
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well you ask those questions and then to your point,

634
00:34:39,906 --> 00:34:42,906
Speaker 2: which you just said, Peter, you asked the question, who

635
00:34:42,946 --> 00:34:47,306
Speaker 2: are your top two or three offensive coordinators? Okay, who

636
00:34:47,306 --> 00:34:48,706
Speaker 2: are you going to get? How are you going to

637
00:34:48,786 --> 00:34:52,466
Speaker 2: get them? Because the reality is this, they've talked to people.

638
00:34:53,346 --> 00:34:55,706
Speaker 2: We can't talk to people because you're with another club,

639
00:34:55,746 --> 00:35:00,146
Speaker 2: but they've talked to people, and they better have it

640
00:35:00,186 --> 00:35:03,186
Speaker 2: figured out. And are you certain you can get the guy?

641
00:35:03,226 --> 00:35:05,186
Speaker 2: But here's the other part. Okay, you're certain to get

642
00:35:05,226 --> 00:35:06,426
Speaker 2: the guy, what's it going to cot?

643
00:35:06,506 --> 00:35:06,986
Speaker 1: Lost us?

644
00:35:07,386 --> 00:35:09,786
Speaker 2: Right, So you have to talk about the whole coaching budget.

645
00:35:10,226 --> 00:35:14,266
Speaker 2: But I also love the question. I think an important

646
00:35:14,306 --> 00:35:16,426
Speaker 2: question to ask the coach is Okay, when you are

647
00:35:16,546 --> 00:35:19,466
Speaker 2: putting together your staff, show us and I give us

648
00:35:19,506 --> 00:35:21,466
Speaker 2: an idea of what your budget's going to look like.

649
00:35:21,746 --> 00:35:24,866
Speaker 2: Who were the top three or four most important coaches

650
00:35:25,226 --> 00:35:28,026
Speaker 2: and why? And what you're really hoping to hear is

651
00:35:28,066 --> 00:35:31,666
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, special teams, offensive line.

652
00:35:31,466 --> 00:35:33,466
Speaker 1: Coach, offensive line Right off.

653
00:35:33,666 --> 00:35:35,786
Speaker 2: I have sometimes put the offensive line coach.

654
00:35:35,626 --> 00:35:36,506
Speaker 1: Over some of the others.

655
00:35:37,506 --> 00:35:40,426
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you watch this game and the teams

656
00:35:40,426 --> 00:35:46,706
Speaker 2: that performed, it's not a mistake. People talk about coaches

657
00:35:46,826 --> 00:35:50,386
Speaker 2: and past protection and players. Well, you know, I was

658
00:35:50,426 --> 00:35:55,386
Speaker 2: so blessed in my NFL time I work. Kirk Ferrans

659
00:35:55,426 --> 00:35:58,546
Speaker 2: was our offensive line coach. Our assistant offensive line and

660
00:35:58,626 --> 00:36:00,386
Speaker 2: coach at the time was Pat Hill. Those are two

661
00:36:00,426 --> 00:36:02,786
Speaker 2: great coaches, right, and I was there with them in

662
00:36:02,786 --> 00:36:04,986
Speaker 2: Cleveland and Baltaroo. We go up to the Jets, We've

663
00:36:04,986 --> 00:36:08,026
Speaker 2: got Bill Muir, who was unbelievable. We go to the

664
00:36:08,026 --> 00:36:12,626
Speaker 2: Patriots and we've got Dante Scarnekia. You talk about being spoiled.

665
00:36:12,626 --> 00:36:15,146
Speaker 2: Then when we went to the Chiefs, we had Bill

666
00:36:15,226 --> 00:36:19,746
Speaker 2: Murr again. Yeah, So the certain positions that are so

667
00:36:19,826 --> 00:36:22,946
Speaker 2: important because those kind of positions, they're actually going to

668
00:36:22,986 --> 00:36:26,786
Speaker 2: help you in the development of your quarterback and the

669
00:36:26,826 --> 00:36:29,466
Speaker 2: protection of your quarterback and the development of your entire team.

670
00:36:29,946 --> 00:36:33,106
Speaker 2: So the staff thing is important, you know, Peter, I'm

671
00:36:33,226 --> 00:36:37,146
Speaker 2: like gassed up here on Kathy. And this is a

672
00:36:37,546 --> 00:36:41,146
Speaker 2: fantastic because you go back to the book too. The

673
00:36:41,186 --> 00:36:45,306
Speaker 2: book is a fascinating thing because I remember someone telling

674
00:36:45,346 --> 00:36:47,386
Speaker 2: me very early in my career, if someone comes in

675
00:36:47,426 --> 00:36:51,706
Speaker 2: with a book, right, be a little bit skeptical because

676
00:36:51,746 --> 00:36:54,426
Speaker 2: if that person put that book together by themselves, well,

677
00:36:54,466 --> 00:36:58,306
Speaker 2: they were spending too much time preparing that, preparing that

678
00:36:58,426 --> 00:37:01,106
Speaker 2: rather than doing their job. And if their agent did

679
00:37:01,186 --> 00:37:03,306
Speaker 2: and that's what happens. A lot of agents do it now.

680
00:37:03,626 --> 00:37:07,986
Speaker 2: And I know in interviews talking with coaches that you

681
00:37:08,026 --> 00:37:11,706
Speaker 2: ask him a question and they have no idea where

682
00:37:11,706 --> 00:37:13,546
Speaker 2: it is in their book because they didn't put it together.

683
00:37:13,626 --> 00:37:18,426
Speaker 2: And it's you know, sometimes owners or and and you

684
00:37:18,506 --> 00:37:20,506
Speaker 2: will take these books and give them to other people

685
00:37:20,546 --> 00:37:22,786
Speaker 2: in the organization to take a look at. Do you

686
00:37:22,866 --> 00:37:24,946
Speaker 2: help refine some of the informations come out of there

687
00:37:25,266 --> 00:37:30,106
Speaker 2: and it's it's too much. Sometimes Beware the coach or

688
00:37:30,906 --> 00:37:34,106
Speaker 2: or general manager. Beware the person with a big book.

689
00:37:34,626 --> 00:37:38,066
Speaker 2: It's probably not a lot of what they've done.

690
00:37:37,466 --> 00:37:41,386
Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is that, you know, it's very

691
00:37:41,426 --> 00:37:44,546
Speaker 1: easy for us on the outside to say, Okay, former

692
00:37:44,546 --> 00:37:46,826
Speaker 1: head coach, he's had success, we know what we're getting.

693
00:37:47,306 --> 00:37:50,026
Speaker 1: Or here's the hot coordinator. It's his time and we're

694
00:37:50,026 --> 00:37:53,706
Speaker 1: going to give him an opportunity. Very so often you

695
00:37:53,746 --> 00:37:57,306
Speaker 1: know that's the case. Then there are these outliers. There's

696
00:37:57,306 --> 00:37:59,666
Speaker 1: a Sean McVay who is thirty years old and wowed

697
00:37:59,666 --> 00:38:02,426
Speaker 1: in the room. Or there's a Mike Tomlin who no

698
00:38:02,426 --> 00:38:05,106
Speaker 1: one expected to be the next Steelers head coach, but

699
00:38:05,186 --> 00:38:07,466
Speaker 1: beats out Russ Grimm for that job because he had

700
00:38:07,466 --> 00:38:10,866
Speaker 1: his outstanding interview? What what is an outstand Have you

701
00:38:10,906 --> 00:38:13,466
Speaker 1: been blown away by an interview that's an outstanding interview

702
00:38:13,466 --> 00:38:15,426
Speaker 1: from a guy who maybe you didn't think was ready

703
00:38:15,746 --> 00:38:16,986
Speaker 1: or a guy that you didn't think was going to

704
00:38:17,026 --> 00:38:19,626
Speaker 1: be the favorite walking in Oh wow?

705
00:38:20,906 --> 00:38:23,466
Speaker 2: I go back to the dan quinn interview. Blew me

706
00:38:23,506 --> 00:38:28,186
Speaker 2: away and dan Quinn, when all is said and done,

707
00:38:28,186 --> 00:38:29,906
Speaker 2: at some point in time is going to be labeled

708
00:38:29,946 --> 00:38:35,226
Speaker 2: a great coach in the NFL. You know, it's funny.

709
00:38:35,226 --> 00:38:38,506
Speaker 2: I remember doing some mock interviews also with some people,

710
00:38:39,666 --> 00:38:42,306
Speaker 2: whether they were real or mocked. You know. It was

711
00:38:42,306 --> 00:38:44,746
Speaker 2: something that DQ had asked me and Thomas had asked

712
00:38:44,786 --> 00:38:47,906
Speaker 2: me to do with some assistant coaches. So I remember

713
00:38:47,986 --> 00:38:53,026
Speaker 2: Raheem Morris's Yeah, was really really good. I'll tell you

714
00:38:53,146 --> 00:39:00,666
Speaker 2: Jim Caldwells was outstanding. Again I mentioned Rex Ryan's was

715
00:39:00,746 --> 00:39:04,346
Speaker 2: really good. I believe it if you filter and when

716
00:39:04,386 --> 00:39:06,826
Speaker 2: you get Rex when he's you know, so some of

717
00:39:06,866 --> 00:39:10,586
Speaker 2: what he does is real. Everything he does on air

718
00:39:10,666 --> 00:39:14,106
Speaker 2: is real, but he puts in some entertainer. But when

719
00:39:14,106 --> 00:39:17,146
Speaker 2: you get that dude talking ball and being about ball,

720
00:39:17,506 --> 00:39:18,706
Speaker 2: holy smokes, he's good.

721
00:39:18,746 --> 00:39:21,186
Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you this knowing it from Jet sources.

722
00:39:21,666 --> 00:39:23,866
Speaker 1: Everyone rolled their eyes when they were interviewing Rex Ryan.

723
00:39:23,906 --> 00:39:25,986
Speaker 1: It's been years since he coached here. What are we doing?

724
00:39:26,626 --> 00:39:29,226
Speaker 1: Rex interviewed on a last Tuesday. I want to say

725
00:39:29,786 --> 00:39:31,746
Speaker 1: he came in there and for three hours told them

726
00:39:31,746 --> 00:39:33,186
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the coach of the Saints.

727
00:39:33,346 --> 00:39:36,546
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

728
00:39:36,586 --> 00:39:38,306
Speaker 1: I want to be the New York Jets coach because

729
00:39:38,306 --> 00:39:40,986
Speaker 1: I love this team. I love this franchise, and here's

730
00:39:41,026 --> 00:39:43,506
Speaker 1: what I will do. And whether or not he gets

731
00:39:43,506 --> 00:39:46,706
Speaker 1: the job, I would say it's unlikely. They came out

732
00:39:46,746 --> 00:39:48,666
Speaker 1: of there and they were like that was very refreshing,

733
00:39:49,146 --> 00:39:51,626
Speaker 1: and holy crap, does Rex still have the juice which

734
00:39:51,706 --> 00:39:52,746
Speaker 1: goes a long way.

735
00:39:53,626 --> 00:39:58,106
Speaker 2: He has juice, and he has he garners trust from

736
00:39:58,106 --> 00:39:59,826
Speaker 2: his players. That's the other thing, and that's one of

737
00:39:59,826 --> 00:40:03,146
Speaker 2: the most important things if you can find ways and examples,

738
00:40:03,186 --> 00:40:09,626
Speaker 2: because the most successful coaches have players that trust them.

739
00:40:09,906 --> 00:40:11,746
Speaker 2: And when I say trust them, they trust that the

740
00:40:11,786 --> 00:40:14,666
Speaker 2: coach is going to put them in a situation where

741
00:40:14,706 --> 00:40:18,026
Speaker 2: they are going to better themselves, right, because let's face it,

742
00:40:18,026 --> 00:40:20,786
Speaker 2: when we peel all this stuff apart, is you know,

743
00:40:20,946 --> 00:40:23,226
Speaker 2: players want to have successful careers. They want to win,

744
00:40:23,306 --> 00:40:26,586
Speaker 2: and they want to make money. Making money comes from

745
00:40:26,666 --> 00:40:30,146
Speaker 2: being prepared, being developed, and making sure that you're in

746
00:40:30,186 --> 00:40:36,186
Speaker 2: a situation to be successful. So finding coach that knows

747
00:40:36,186 --> 00:40:38,346
Speaker 2: how to teach, and I think that was another element,

748
00:40:38,626 --> 00:40:42,026
Speaker 2: you know, when when when I interviewed, you know, in

749
00:40:42,306 --> 00:40:44,666
Speaker 2: coaches in Kansas City, and then when we did it

750
00:40:44,746 --> 00:40:49,346
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. Some of the opportunities I had, I wanted

751
00:40:49,386 --> 00:40:53,066
Speaker 2: to have, and I requested that we had to coach

752
00:40:53,426 --> 00:40:56,626
Speaker 2: teach us something right, something that we didn't know.

753
00:40:56,746 --> 00:40:59,066
Speaker 1: Like i'm the board, Like teach us a scheme or

754
00:40:59,066 --> 00:41:02,946
Speaker 1: teach anything anything.

755
00:41:01,466 --> 00:41:04,266
Speaker 2: To teach us something.

756
00:41:03,986 --> 00:41:07,626
Speaker 1: And teach me how to how to or agami it

757
00:41:07,666 --> 00:41:09,826
Speaker 1: could be anything or a simple player or teach me

758
00:41:09,906 --> 00:41:13,866
Speaker 1: how you think the relationship and and everything that you're

759
00:41:13,906 --> 00:41:16,666
Speaker 1: listening to when you ask them about their relationships with

760
00:41:16,746 --> 00:41:19,986
Speaker 1: the other people in the organization, they're teaching you there.

761
00:41:20,026 --> 00:41:22,666
Speaker 2: So all right, you think it's important to have a

762
00:41:22,706 --> 00:41:26,946
Speaker 2: really good relationship with the trainers, but with this, so

763
00:41:27,266 --> 00:41:29,786
Speaker 2: tell me how you do that, right, because that's the

764
00:41:29,786 --> 00:41:31,586
Speaker 2: other thing I think you have to do. As part

765
00:41:31,626 --> 00:41:34,906
Speaker 2: of the interview, you're asking the head coach, you know,

766
00:41:34,986 --> 00:41:39,026
Speaker 2: what are your expectations of managing all of the football folks,

767
00:41:39,266 --> 00:41:42,746
Speaker 2: the trainers, the video player, engagement equipment. Who's going to

768
00:41:42,826 --> 00:41:44,386
Speaker 2: do that? Do you want to do that? Do you

769
00:41:44,426 --> 00:41:46,826
Speaker 2: want the general manager to do that? Do you have

770
00:41:47,346 --> 00:41:51,426
Speaker 2: you know a Steve Scarneka who's going to be doing

771
00:41:51,466 --> 00:41:55,626
Speaker 2: that for you? Or do you have you know or

772
00:41:56,106 --> 00:41:58,306
Speaker 2: do you want the GM to handle it. So I

773
00:41:58,346 --> 00:42:02,226
Speaker 2: think there's so many different ways that and the way

774
00:42:02,786 --> 00:42:07,866
Speaker 2: that organizations operate. I think one of the most important

775
00:42:07,866 --> 00:42:11,906
Speaker 2: things you can do is ask questions and get answers

776
00:42:12,226 --> 00:42:18,146
Speaker 2: to things that will allow everyone to manage expectations. So

777
00:42:18,226 --> 00:42:22,306
Speaker 2: the head coach can their expectations are managed of what

778
00:42:22,346 --> 00:42:24,626
Speaker 2: the president's role is, what the GM's role is, with

779
00:42:24,706 --> 00:42:27,146
Speaker 2: the direct vice president, player personnel's role, and with the

780
00:42:27,186 --> 00:42:30,306
Speaker 2: owner's role. And each person that I just mentioned also

781
00:42:30,426 --> 00:42:34,986
Speaker 2: has to understand what their expectations are because that's where

782
00:42:35,026 --> 00:42:37,546
Speaker 2: some of the problems can generally start.

783
00:42:46,346 --> 00:42:48,666
Speaker 1: There's examples in recent years. I would look at Joe

784
00:42:48,666 --> 00:42:50,786
Speaker 1: Shane and Brian Dable where there's a fresh slate for

785
00:42:50,826 --> 00:42:53,666
Speaker 1: the giants hiring a GM and a coach and they

786
00:42:53,666 --> 00:42:55,866
Speaker 1: go to Buffalo and they say, these guys know each other, well,

787
00:42:56,186 --> 00:42:58,146
Speaker 1: we're going to bring them in. There's time and time

788
00:42:58,186 --> 00:43:01,346
Speaker 1: again that's happened. Then there's these blind marriages like in

789
00:43:01,546 --> 00:43:05,146
Speaker 1: Chicago where Ryan Poles did not know Matt Aberfluss from

790
00:43:05,306 --> 00:43:08,026
Speaker 1: but he'd loved his interview and those guys were paired together.

791
00:43:10,386 --> 00:43:12,026
Speaker 1: How much do you make and I guess there's a

792
00:43:12,026 --> 00:43:15,106
Speaker 1: clean slate in Vegas right now, there's a clean slate

793
00:43:15,106 --> 00:43:17,266
Speaker 1: in New York with the Jets, And I guess with Dallas,

794
00:43:17,306 --> 00:43:18,466
Speaker 1: if you want to say they're going to bring in

795
00:43:18,506 --> 00:43:20,826
Speaker 1: someone else, so they might at GM or not. What

796
00:43:20,866 --> 00:43:24,346
Speaker 1: do you make of bringing in two guys who actually

797
00:43:24,386 --> 00:43:27,346
Speaker 1: worked together before and kind of implanting them and be

798
00:43:27,426 --> 00:43:28,906
Speaker 1: on the same page from day one because they have

799
00:43:28,906 --> 00:43:29,546
Speaker 1: a relationships.

800
00:43:30,026 --> 00:43:32,146
Speaker 2: Wow, there's another question that could go a lot of

801
00:43:32,186 --> 00:43:32,826
Speaker 2: different ways.

802
00:43:34,506 --> 00:43:34,786
Speaker 1: You know.

803
00:43:35,786 --> 00:43:38,986
Speaker 2: I think it's important that there's a I think that

804
00:43:39,106 --> 00:43:45,706
Speaker 2: it's important that there's a history and understanding of the

805
00:43:46,226 --> 00:43:50,146
Speaker 2: top leaders. Again, when I look at our situation in

806
00:43:50,226 --> 00:43:51,826
Speaker 2: New England, we went to New England, Bill and I

807
00:43:51,866 --> 00:43:54,786
Speaker 2: went there together. We went there with some other people

808
00:43:54,786 --> 00:43:57,626
Speaker 2: that knew Bill had worked with Bill. But here was

809
00:43:57,666 --> 00:44:00,946
Speaker 2: the other dynamic that I've never really talked about publicly,

810
00:44:03,026 --> 00:44:07,026
Speaker 2: and no one's really when we all went there, we

811
00:44:07,066 --> 00:44:09,986
Speaker 2: were signing up for our last job, right.

812
00:44:09,946 --> 00:44:11,226
Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?

813
00:44:11,386 --> 00:44:13,506
Speaker 2: What I mean like by that was, you know there

814
00:44:13,586 --> 00:44:18,546
Speaker 2: was Bill had had a tough go in Cleveland, and

815
00:44:18,746 --> 00:44:22,786
Speaker 2: after Cleveland, you know, he did some things to to

816
00:44:22,786 --> 00:44:26,746
Speaker 2: to prepare himself for the next job. And who was

817
00:44:26,786 --> 00:44:28,666
Speaker 2: going to be his personnel department. He knew that he

818
00:44:28,706 --> 00:44:30,706
Speaker 2: was going to delegate a lot more. He's going to

819
00:44:30,706 --> 00:44:32,986
Speaker 2: delate delegate to his coordinators, and he was going to

820
00:44:32,986 --> 00:44:38,066
Speaker 2: bring certain people, myself, Ernie Adams, Charlie White, people together.

821
00:44:38,666 --> 00:44:40,906
Speaker 2: And when we all went there, here's one of the

822
00:44:40,946 --> 00:44:44,146
Speaker 2: things I think that was so important because the general manager,

823
00:44:44,186 --> 00:44:46,666
Speaker 2: that or that, whoever the person, call the personnel person,

824
00:44:46,706 --> 00:44:49,586
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call him, the personnel person and

825
00:44:49,626 --> 00:44:53,746
Speaker 2: the head coach have to be in lockstep. That doesn't

826
00:44:53,786 --> 00:44:56,426
Speaker 2: mean that they that they get along on everything and

827
00:44:56,466 --> 00:44:59,586
Speaker 2: that they're best friends, but they have to be chasing

828
00:44:59,626 --> 00:45:02,026
Speaker 2: the same thing. And when we went there, many of

829
00:45:02,066 --> 00:45:04,226
Speaker 2: us that went there that left the Jets, including my

830
00:45:04,346 --> 00:45:06,626
Speaker 2: you know myself, Eric Manngini. I mean I left my

831
00:45:06,666 --> 00:45:08,666
Speaker 2: father in law to go take this job, right, and

832
00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:11,066
Speaker 2: he and Bill were not in a good place right,

833
00:45:11,426 --> 00:45:14,026
Speaker 2: So we knew if we didn't succeed there, it was

834
00:45:14,106 --> 00:45:18,026
Speaker 2: whether anyone admits it now or not. Charlie Weiss was

835
00:45:18,106 --> 00:45:21,626
Speaker 2: part of the lawsuit, right, So many of us went

836
00:45:21,706 --> 00:45:24,466
Speaker 2: up there knowing that if we didn't succeed, we were

837
00:45:24,506 --> 00:45:28,426
Speaker 2: all done. And there's something about that that created this

838
00:45:28,586 --> 00:45:34,426
Speaker 2: togetherness and this this situation, circumstances, whether it was going

839
00:45:34,506 --> 00:45:37,666
Speaker 2: to be no cracks, there's no looking back.

840
00:45:37,866 --> 00:45:40,066
Speaker 1: We have to rely on each other and got and

841
00:45:40,146 --> 00:45:41,466
Speaker 1: we're Brown Us Island together.

842
00:45:41,586 --> 00:45:44,986
Speaker 2: Let's go rock, amen. And it was that old mentality

843
00:45:45,026 --> 00:45:48,506
Speaker 2: one die, All die. Yeah, right, And I bring that

844
00:45:48,626 --> 00:45:52,746
Speaker 2: up because there's something about that psychology of togetherness to

845
00:45:52,866 --> 00:45:55,826
Speaker 2: answer your question about two people coming together. The other

846
00:45:55,866 --> 00:46:00,466
Speaker 2: thing is whoever the personnel person is again, whatever you

847
00:46:00,506 --> 00:46:03,226
Speaker 2: want to call that title, that person's job is to

848
00:46:03,386 --> 00:46:06,226
Speaker 2: serve the head coach. Even when I was in Kansas

849
00:46:06,226 --> 00:46:09,946
Speaker 2: City and I was overseeing the entire football operation. As

850
00:46:09,946 --> 00:46:12,506
Speaker 2: soon as I hired the head coach, whoever that head

851
00:46:12,546 --> 00:46:15,226
Speaker 2: coach was, and the second time after Todd it was Romeo,

852
00:46:16,346 --> 00:46:18,626
Speaker 2: I get out of the way and I go find

853
00:46:18,706 --> 00:46:22,306
Speaker 2: players that fit them. That's my job to serve the coach.

854
00:46:22,826 --> 00:46:26,626
Speaker 2: And so I think, Peter, that idea of people knowing

855
00:46:26,666 --> 00:46:31,986
Speaker 2: each other is important. Again, I go back to you know,

856
00:46:33,026 --> 00:46:34,946
Speaker 2: I made sure and knowing when we were bringing in

857
00:46:34,986 --> 00:46:39,586
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick type players that was critical, not only schematically,

858
00:46:39,946 --> 00:46:43,506
Speaker 2: but players that I understood Bill. I've known Bill since

859
00:46:43,506 --> 00:46:46,266
Speaker 2: I was a sophomore in college. I know who he

860
00:46:46,426 --> 00:46:51,906
Speaker 2: is and I think I'm going to talk out of

861
00:46:51,906 --> 00:46:54,106
Speaker 2: the other side of my mouth now because I also

862
00:46:54,186 --> 00:46:56,346
Speaker 2: watch Peter and you're very aware of this. I watch

863
00:46:56,426 --> 00:46:59,946
Speaker 2: these circumstances and situations right now where head coaches and

864
00:47:00,026 --> 00:47:04,426
Speaker 2: general managers have the same agent and they're being packaged

865
00:47:05,026 --> 00:47:06,226
Speaker 2: and forced on owners.

866
00:47:06,506 --> 00:47:08,706
Speaker 1: It's the dirty side of this that no one actually

867
00:47:08,746 --> 00:47:11,586
Speaker 1: talks about on TV. I mean Tom Pelasero and Ian

868
00:47:11,666 --> 00:47:14,586
Speaker 1: Rappaport and Mike Carrafellow can report all these things, but

869
00:47:14,706 --> 00:47:16,946
Speaker 1: no one will say and is represented by this guy,

870
00:47:17,106 --> 00:47:18,986
Speaker 1: and that's why he's getting an interview, And this is

871
00:47:18,986 --> 00:47:21,906
Speaker 1: why this person's getting a favor because the agent represents

872
00:47:21,946 --> 00:47:23,826
Speaker 1: the GM and they know each other, Like there is

873
00:47:23,866 --> 00:47:27,426
Speaker 1: this disgusting part of it that not necessarily is mentioned

874
00:47:27,466 --> 00:47:27,946
Speaker 1: when we do.

875
00:47:27,906 --> 00:47:31,786
Speaker 2: This absolutely or the favor or it's a favor or

876
00:47:32,306 --> 00:47:34,826
Speaker 2: you know, the head coaches well, yeah, I'm prepared for

877
00:47:34,866 --> 00:47:36,586
Speaker 2: this job, but I don't know who my GM is.

878
00:47:37,026 --> 00:47:39,546
Speaker 2: And the agent's like, oh, this guy, you know, Joe

879
00:47:39,626 --> 00:47:41,826
Speaker 2: Gret has been working for me. He will be loyal

880
00:47:41,906 --> 00:47:46,306
Speaker 2: to it. Because again, I think that the agents believe

881
00:47:46,346 --> 00:47:49,746
Speaker 2: that that is what's in the best interest of the

882
00:47:49,826 --> 00:47:52,266
Speaker 2: coach and the GM. For them to be partnered because

883
00:47:52,266 --> 00:47:54,706
Speaker 2: they'll be able to broke or some sort of you know,

884
00:47:54,746 --> 00:47:58,106
Speaker 2: they'll be able to broke when the marriage starts to crumble,

885
00:47:58,106 --> 00:48:00,586
Speaker 2: that they'll be able to broke or something. But there's

886
00:48:00,626 --> 00:48:03,666
Speaker 2: also this part that they know the percentage is the

887
00:48:03,706 --> 00:48:07,826
Speaker 2: percentage and that's not a criticism this model. That's that's

888
00:48:07,866 --> 00:48:10,346
Speaker 2: their job. So if they can get two people hired

889
00:48:10,426 --> 00:48:14,506
Speaker 2: making seven figures, god bless them. And what happens though,

890
00:48:14,546 --> 00:48:16,546
Speaker 2: is and I know this for a fact, that there

891
00:48:16,546 --> 00:48:21,586
Speaker 2: are certain coaches that haven't been brought to interviews because

892
00:48:22,346 --> 00:48:25,626
Speaker 2: owners are leveraged. And it's amazing. As I sit back

893
00:48:25,706 --> 00:48:27,866
Speaker 2: and as I was a part of watching some of

894
00:48:28,386 --> 00:48:34,866
Speaker 2: watching billionaires be leveraged by agencies, it's absolutely fascinating. And

895
00:48:34,946 --> 00:48:37,586
Speaker 2: so I think when people come together as a package

896
00:48:38,786 --> 00:48:42,746
Speaker 2: that it may start out with all the best of intentions,

897
00:48:43,666 --> 00:48:46,346
Speaker 2: but it does it come to fruition.

898
00:48:46,026 --> 00:48:49,586
Speaker 1: The better you better be willing to bank on, like

899
00:48:49,666 --> 00:48:52,306
Speaker 1: you said, your last job on this person, Like you

900
00:48:52,346 --> 00:48:54,226
Speaker 1: gotta look at it that way. If I'm going down,

901
00:48:54,346 --> 00:48:55,666
Speaker 1: is this guy gonna be going on the ship with me?

902
00:48:55,826 --> 00:48:56,906
Speaker 1: Is he going to sell me out to the owner

903
00:48:56,946 --> 00:48:58,226
Speaker 1: The first second we get in the room.

904
00:48:58,626 --> 00:49:02,306
Speaker 2: But and what usually happens unfortunately, because it's human nature, right,

905
00:49:02,346 --> 00:49:03,786
Speaker 2: And this is the other thing, Like I said, we

906
00:49:03,786 --> 00:49:06,226
Speaker 2: could talk about this forever. It's human nature. When the

907
00:49:06,226 --> 00:49:10,186
Speaker 2: start thinking human nature is to be a survivalist. I'm

908
00:49:10,186 --> 00:49:14,186
Speaker 2: going to save myself and my family. And as I've

909
00:49:14,266 --> 00:49:17,826
Speaker 2: learned in life, sometimes or most of the times, the

910
00:49:17,866 --> 00:49:21,466
Speaker 2: things the best things that we can do in life,

911
00:49:22,386 --> 00:49:25,346
Speaker 2: we need to resist human nature in order to do

912
00:49:25,426 --> 00:49:29,346
Speaker 2: the best things in life for ourselves and our families.

913
00:49:30,506 --> 00:49:33,186
Speaker 1: Good answer, Okay, so let's go back to the dan

914
00:49:33,266 --> 00:49:35,986
Speaker 1: Quinn interview process where you guys decide he is our man?

915
00:49:36,266 --> 00:49:39,146
Speaker 1: How is that news delivered? And who broke that news

916
00:49:39,266 --> 00:49:41,306
Speaker 1: was it? Was it a Falcon's tweet or did that

917
00:49:41,346 --> 00:49:43,226
Speaker 1: go to Chefter first? And how does that work?

918
00:49:43,466 --> 00:49:48,106
Speaker 2: I think you broke it, man, I don't remember who

919
00:49:48,146 --> 00:49:50,746
Speaker 2: broke it first, because I think this is one of

920
00:49:50,786 --> 00:49:52,746
Speaker 2: the beautiful things that I learned, one of the many

921
00:49:52,786 --> 00:49:55,706
Speaker 2: beautiful things I learned from working with Thomas, because we're

922
00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:59,346
Speaker 2: so much the same but different in other ways. Thomas

923
00:49:59,466 --> 00:50:03,026
Speaker 2: reminded me he's like Scott, we could keep this, try

924
00:50:03,066 --> 00:50:05,546
Speaker 2: to keep this as secret as much we're wasting energy

925
00:50:05,586 --> 00:50:08,426
Speaker 2: by trying to keep this secret because you know it's

926
00:50:08,466 --> 00:50:11,706
Speaker 2: not about even anyone internally in your organization that's going

927
00:50:11,786 --> 00:50:14,946
Speaker 2: to leak it, right, because you've got to call agents,

928
00:50:15,706 --> 00:50:17,546
Speaker 2: and you've got to negotiate with agents.

929
00:50:17,626 --> 00:50:19,826
Speaker 1: You got to talk to the guys who didn't get it.

930
00:50:19,866 --> 00:50:20,986
Speaker 1: You want to give them a heads up.

931
00:50:21,226 --> 00:50:24,146
Speaker 2: Exactly right. There's people that aren't going to get it,

932
00:50:24,226 --> 00:50:27,506
Speaker 2: so to waste time and energy. It's one of those

933
00:50:27,546 --> 00:50:32,306
Speaker 2: funny things that I really had to undo. But anyway,

934
00:50:32,586 --> 00:50:35,946
Speaker 2: I don't even remember how it broke. But what I

935
00:50:35,986 --> 00:50:38,066
Speaker 2: do know is everyone was on board with that hire.

936
00:50:38,666 --> 00:50:43,866
Speaker 2: Everyone in that everyone in that group was on board.

937
00:50:45,066 --> 00:50:48,426
Speaker 2: Some of us were more excited about it.

938
00:50:48,826 --> 00:50:52,946
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's wrap with with kind of spinning it a

939
00:50:52,946 --> 00:50:57,306
Speaker 1: little bit more till today's times. Belichick just took this

940
00:50:57,386 --> 00:51:01,306
Speaker 1: job at North Carolina. There's an opening in Dallas, there's

941
00:51:01,346 --> 00:51:03,626
Speaker 1: an opening in New York. Like, there's all these different

942
00:51:03,706 --> 00:51:07,546
Speaker 1: things and moving pieces. Which job to you is the

943
00:51:07,586 --> 00:51:10,186
Speaker 1: most intriguing If you look at the vacancies right now

944
00:51:10,226 --> 00:51:14,146
Speaker 1: in New York, in Chicago, in Dallas, in Vegas, and

945
00:51:14,626 --> 00:51:16,586
Speaker 1: you could even go GM in Tennessee if you want

946
00:51:16,626 --> 00:51:17,986
Speaker 1: as well or Yeah.

947
00:51:20,546 --> 00:51:23,706
Speaker 2: One of the ones that intrigues me is the Chicago

948
00:51:23,786 --> 00:51:25,866
Speaker 2: and I think it's because I'm too close.

949
00:51:26,106 --> 00:51:28,266
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about your relationship with Yeah.

950
00:51:28,106 --> 00:51:30,666
Speaker 2: The Poles. You know Poles. I hired Poles in two

951
00:51:30,746 --> 00:51:33,946
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. He was working as a graduate assistant.

952
00:51:34,226 --> 00:51:38,146
Speaker 2: He and Borganzi were working at Boston College. Borganzi was

953
00:51:38,186 --> 00:51:42,986
Speaker 2: like head of recruiting or something and and and you know,

954
00:51:42,986 --> 00:51:44,986
Speaker 2: wanted to get in the NFL poll. Same thing too.

955
00:51:45,026 --> 00:51:47,146
Speaker 2: I think he'd been there for a year. His NFL

956
00:51:47,226 --> 00:51:50,866
Speaker 2: career just ended. So I stole both of those guys

957
00:51:50,866 --> 00:51:54,626
Speaker 2: from BC. And I remember Barry Gallup was frustrated. He's like, Scott,

958
00:51:54,666 --> 00:51:57,706
Speaker 2: you're taking But I had known those guys. I had

959
00:51:57,746 --> 00:51:58,826
Speaker 2: just come from the way.

960
00:51:58,866 --> 00:52:00,386
Speaker 1: Can we just take a second, because I don't think

961
00:52:00,386 --> 00:52:02,026
Speaker 1: he will realize this. They might not know any of

962
00:52:02,026 --> 00:52:05,106
Speaker 1: these names. But Mike Borganzi four year starter at Brown

963
00:52:05,146 --> 00:52:07,386
Speaker 1: and a great all ivy fullback.

964
00:52:07,026 --> 00:52:10,426
Speaker 2: Right yeah, yeah, full back exactly right back when people

965
00:52:10,626 --> 00:52:14,266
Speaker 2: used fullbacks. Yeah. He was with James Perry, who was

966
00:52:14,306 --> 00:52:17,146
Speaker 2: a terrific coach. And you know, Brown has pumped out

967
00:52:17,146 --> 00:52:21,026
Speaker 2: some decent football people. Billy O'Brien played outside linebacker defensive

968
00:52:21,106 --> 00:52:21,466
Speaker 2: end there.

969
00:52:23,146 --> 00:52:27,986
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, he's known Ryan forever forever and Poles.

970
00:52:27,986 --> 00:52:30,906
Speaker 2: Here's what I know about Poles. He is so smart,

971
00:52:31,466 --> 00:52:37,386
Speaker 2: He has conviction. He has as much empathy as a

972
00:52:37,506 --> 00:52:40,906
Speaker 2: football tough guy as I know, and he doesn't always

973
00:52:40,946 --> 00:52:43,146
Speaker 2: show it. So the reason I bring this up is

974
00:52:43,186 --> 00:52:48,546
Speaker 2: because they've got good cap space. Poles has built an infrastructure,

975
00:52:48,586 --> 00:52:49,906
Speaker 2: and this is one of the things that so many

976
00:52:49,946 --> 00:52:53,226
Speaker 2: people on the outside don't see. They see the result, right,

977
00:52:53,946 --> 00:52:57,626
Speaker 2: And I'm a processed guy. I believe in processes and

978
00:52:57,866 --> 00:53:00,426
Speaker 2: and some of the best coaches I know, Nick Saban's

979
00:53:00,426 --> 00:53:03,866
Speaker 2: all about the process, Belichick is ourselves, Andy Reid. There's

980
00:53:03,866 --> 00:53:07,466
Speaker 2: a process. Poles has set up an infrastructure internally in

981
00:53:07,506 --> 00:53:13,706
Speaker 2: that organization, and a process that should lead to success.

982
00:53:14,706 --> 00:53:17,386
Speaker 2: Why it hasn't happened. There's a lot of reasons it

983
00:53:17,426 --> 00:53:21,786
Speaker 2: hasn't happened. And they have cap room, they have an infrastructure.

984
00:53:21,866 --> 00:53:25,026
Speaker 2: They have a very talented quarterback. Now I don't know

985
00:53:25,026 --> 00:53:27,866
Speaker 2: how good this quarterback is going to be. I don't

986
00:53:27,906 --> 00:53:30,986
Speaker 2: know that right because tools and talent don't always translate

987
00:53:31,106 --> 00:53:38,106
Speaker 2: to success or winning. But again, I'm a big believer

988
00:53:38,666 --> 00:53:44,186
Speaker 2: in player development. Poles has a good infrastructure and idea

989
00:53:44,426 --> 00:53:48,746
Speaker 2: and concepts of player development. He needs the right people

990
00:53:49,466 --> 00:53:54,266
Speaker 2: developing now, and so I find that that job very,

991
00:53:54,386 --> 00:53:58,146
Speaker 2: very intriguing. And again I'm trying not to be biased

992
00:53:58,146 --> 00:54:00,106
Speaker 2: in this answer. Yes, I think the world of the guy,

993
00:54:00,506 --> 00:54:02,946
Speaker 2: but again I've seen the guts of that organization. I've

994
00:54:02,946 --> 00:54:04,626
Speaker 2: seen the and I know the guts of some of

995
00:54:04,666 --> 00:54:07,866
Speaker 2: the other organizations. As leaders, one of the most important

996
00:54:07,906 --> 00:54:10,306
Speaker 2: things you can do, or one of the most important

997
00:54:10,306 --> 00:54:13,426
Speaker 2: things you need to do, is eliminate distractions. And some

998
00:54:13,546 --> 00:54:18,266
Speaker 2: of those other organizations that you mentioned can't help themselves

999
00:54:18,266 --> 00:54:20,786
Speaker 2: and can't get out of the way and not create

1000
00:54:20,826 --> 00:54:27,666
Speaker 2: their own distractions that impact the product.

1001
00:54:28,546 --> 00:54:32,306
Speaker 1: Last point here and we'll wrap. It's an interesting process

1002
00:54:32,346 --> 00:54:34,546
Speaker 1: this year, and that if you're not employed by a team,

1003
00:54:34,786 --> 00:54:38,266
Speaker 1: you can meet in person before January twentieth, But if

1004
00:54:38,306 --> 00:54:40,146
Speaker 1: you're currently employed with a team, even if you didn't

1005
00:54:40,146 --> 00:54:42,466
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, you can only do a zoom interview

1006
00:54:42,706 --> 00:54:46,746
Speaker 1: until January twentieth. Then January twentieth, the deadline's done, and

1007
00:54:46,746 --> 00:54:48,306
Speaker 1: if you're still in the playoffs, you can't. But then

1008
00:54:48,346 --> 00:54:50,186
Speaker 1: if you're not you can, and you can meet in person.

1009
00:54:50,306 --> 00:54:53,266
Speaker 1: They also capped it at three hours per interview because

1010
00:54:53,466 --> 00:54:55,506
Speaker 1: there's a legendary story about last year there was a

1011
00:54:55,546 --> 00:54:57,266
Speaker 1: guy who didn't get a job and it went on

1012
00:54:57,306 --> 00:54:59,986
Speaker 1: for nine hours, nine hours, and I wanted a team

1013
00:55:00,066 --> 00:55:01,706
Speaker 1: or the candidate, but it was nine hours and it

1014
00:55:01,746 --> 00:55:03,386
Speaker 1: was reported to the league like this can't happen. Then

1015
00:55:03,386 --> 00:55:04,986
Speaker 1: I didn't get the job, and it was just ridiculous.

1016
00:55:06,706 --> 00:55:10,146
Speaker 1: As we get towards this this flurry of action right here,

1017
00:55:10,426 --> 00:55:12,426
Speaker 1: do you think the league, and this includes maybe the

1018
00:55:12,506 --> 00:55:14,706
Speaker 1: Rooty rule and how they've operated, do you think the

1019
00:55:14,786 --> 00:55:17,506
Speaker 1: league is doing the best job possible and trying to

1020
00:55:17,546 --> 00:55:20,746
Speaker 1: set these parameters so that you're not affecting the competitive

1021
00:55:20,826 --> 00:55:23,546
Speaker 1: landscape of the playoffs, but you're also giving teams enough

1022
00:55:23,586 --> 00:55:26,386
Speaker 1: time to interview these coaches and get them in place

1023
00:55:26,386 --> 00:55:27,146
Speaker 1: before the combine.

1024
00:55:27,226 --> 00:55:31,346
Speaker 2: Yeah, Peter, I'll say this. I think it's better, and

1025
00:55:31,386 --> 00:55:34,906
Speaker 2: it still needs more tweaks and improvements, and you can't

1026
00:55:34,946 --> 00:55:39,946
Speaker 2: be reactionary to every single thing that isn't working out

1027
00:55:40,026 --> 00:55:42,986
Speaker 2: or isn't good or isn't positive. So to me, the

1028
00:55:43,066 --> 00:55:46,746
Speaker 2: answer is it has gotten better. There's still some things

1029
00:55:46,746 --> 00:55:49,946
Speaker 2: that need to be addressed in terms of time and timing,

1030
00:55:49,986 --> 00:55:51,666
Speaker 2: you know, and I know some people say, well, there

1031
00:55:51,666 --> 00:55:55,186
Speaker 2: should be no interviews until everyone's done playing, But to me,

1032
00:55:55,346 --> 00:55:59,106
Speaker 2: I mean that's a joke because the tampering will be

1033
00:55:59,586 --> 00:56:02,586
Speaker 2: will run rampant, and then people are keeping secrets. So

1034
00:56:03,266 --> 00:56:05,706
Speaker 2: you know, you've got to be careful. I think what

1035
00:56:06,746 --> 00:56:09,226
Speaker 2: it's like anything, It's like with your children, right, You've

1036
00:56:09,226 --> 00:56:10,826
Speaker 2: got to be careful of the rules that you put

1037
00:56:10,826 --> 00:56:12,546
Speaker 2: in place because you know some of them are going

1038
00:56:12,586 --> 00:56:18,906
Speaker 2: to get broken. So just don't create so many rules

1039
00:56:18,946 --> 00:56:24,346
Speaker 2: that you present another host of problems that'll become embarrassing

1040
00:56:24,386 --> 00:56:28,306
Speaker 2: to the league. So it's gotten better, it's still not perfect.

1041
00:56:28,346 --> 00:56:30,626
Speaker 2: I think the version that we're in right now is

1042
00:56:30,666 --> 00:56:34,186
Speaker 2: better than what was You mentioned the Rooney rule. That's

1043
00:56:34,226 --> 00:56:38,706
Speaker 2: another full show that we should talk about it because

1044
00:56:39,306 --> 00:56:41,426
Speaker 2: you know, you know where I stand on so much

1045
00:56:41,506 --> 00:56:43,706
Speaker 2: of this this work.

1046
00:56:43,866 --> 00:56:46,906
Speaker 1: Peter put your heart and soul into trying to elevate

1047
00:56:47,026 --> 00:56:50,866
Speaker 1: some candidates that in recent decades probably wouldn't have gottenn opportunity.

1048
00:56:51,226 --> 00:56:55,426
Speaker 2: And I believe in it, and and but I still

1049
00:56:55,666 --> 00:56:59,386
Speaker 2: know that there's people that whether it's intentional or unintentional,

1050
00:57:00,426 --> 00:57:03,746
Speaker 2: there are systems that have been in place for decades

1051
00:57:03,786 --> 00:57:07,906
Speaker 2: and centuries that that aren't alone allowing the right things

1052
00:57:07,906 --> 00:57:10,706
Speaker 2: to happen, and there are still people that are circumventing

1053
00:57:10,746 --> 00:57:20,146
Speaker 2: those rules and it's disappointing. That's not down though. Man,

1054
00:57:20,146 --> 00:57:24,586
Speaker 2: We've gotten better, gotten better. We're in the right direction. Uh, Scott,

1055
00:57:24,666 --> 00:57:25,986
Speaker 2: thank you. This was awesome.

1056
00:57:26,026 --> 00:57:28,106
Speaker 1: I feel like we got some insight that we have

1057
00:57:28,186 --> 00:57:31,346
Speaker 1: never had before as far as how these coaching interviews go,

1058
00:57:31,466 --> 00:57:34,226
Speaker 1: how the process goes. And I'm like you, I am

1059
00:57:34,266 --> 00:57:37,026
Speaker 1: curious with Chicago, like a sneaky one last night, and

1060
00:57:37,026 --> 00:57:39,866
Speaker 1: everyone just writes it like David Shaw interviewed for Chicago.

1061
00:57:40,386 --> 00:57:43,866
Speaker 1: Like to me, like David Shaw, David Shaw is awesome,

1062
00:57:43,906 --> 00:57:45,986
Speaker 1: and like that's the higher that I think fans will

1063
00:57:46,026 --> 00:57:48,786
Speaker 1: be like David, That's like no, no, no, you don't understand,

1064
00:57:48,826 --> 00:57:51,186
Speaker 1: Like there is there. There is a lot more to

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Speaker 1: these candidates than their most recent record, you know, of

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Speaker 1: their teams and what was going on in those situations.

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Speaker 1: And then there's a there's a bunch of candidates that

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Speaker 1: maybe aren't considered the hot names that one of them

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Speaker 1: will get a job, and it's because of what they

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Speaker 1: bring to the table and how well they did in

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Speaker 1: the room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm not going to let you end it here,

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Speaker 2: David Shaw. So I used to make sure every year

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Speaker 2: that I went and spent time at Stanford intentionally because

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Speaker 2: every time that I spent time around David Shaw, I

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Speaker 2: learned something. I learned football. I learned evaluation. Because David Shaw,

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Speaker 2: people forget or don't They either forget or don't remember

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Speaker 2: because there's so much recency bias. David Shaw has coached

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Speaker 2: in the NFL. Yeah, Baltimore's other coach. This guy knows

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Speaker 2: the NFL, and he was uber successful at Stanford. And

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you what you want to talk about. A

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Speaker 2: guy that players trust, and he also holds players accountable.

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Speaker 2: Like sometimes players like coaches because it's not a great

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Speaker 2: deal of accountability. They love those coaches until the team sucks. Right,

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Speaker 2: David knows how to hold people accountable. He's not only smart,

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Speaker 2: he's thoughtful. He knows the game, and he also hires

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Speaker 2: a lot of good coaches around him.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, all right, Scott, good stuff as always, man, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much much for doing this.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Peter, It's been a blast.

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Speaker 1: Scott Pioli was great. I hope that gives you a

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Speaker 1: better idea of what's going on these next two weeks

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Speaker 1: and what's been going on in the last two weeks

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Speaker 1: for these teams trying to hire a coach. One of

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Speaker 1: the key things I take away from that is, as

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Speaker 1: you might be skeptical, as so, why is this guy

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Speaker 1: getting an interview? Is that a fit? Yeah, yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: favors being done. This isn't a pure process, and this

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Speaker 1: isn't a clean process. And if an agent has multiple

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Speaker 1: clients and says I'm going to steer my client's interview

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Speaker 1: with you, but you got to interview this guy also,

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Speaker 1: that happens and then the whole tandem stuff. But the

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Speaker 1: GM that's all real. So that's the ugly truth to it.

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Speaker 1: And in a lot of ways us in the media

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Speaker 1: are complicit with it as well, because we ourselves, you know,

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Speaker 1: know this stuff, and it's not ever called out and saying, well,

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Speaker 1: the same agent has this guys. I mean, look, it's

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Speaker 1: entertainment in the NFL, but it is big business. And

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Speaker 1: if you don't think they're people scratching backs here and

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Speaker 1: there just to get their guy in the room, you

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Speaker 1: got another thing coming on. You're too much of a purist.

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Speaker 1: On that note, who talk about pure this podcast, it

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Speaker 1: is time for delivering results presented by Uber Eats. Let

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Speaker 1: me discuss a team or a player who delivered on

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Speaker 1: last week's games. I want to shout out, in no

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Speaker 1: short order a guy who I thought played his best

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Speaker 1: game as a professional and did so on the biggest

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Speaker 1: of stages, and that is Nick Bond, the linebacker, splash

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Speaker 1: special teams guy for the Philadelphia Eagles who has elevated

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Speaker 1: his game to not only Pro Bowl level to one

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Speaker 1: of the best linebackers in the sport. One of the

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Speaker 1: coolest stories, Bond signed a one year deal after being

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Speaker 1: discarded by the Saints, and in this one year he's

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Speaker 1: gone on to be a Pro Bowl linebacker. He's worn

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Speaker 1: the green dot for the Eagles when Nakobe Dean is

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Speaker 1: down calling out the place, and on Sunday against against

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Speaker 1: the Packers, had not only an interception that was huge,

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Speaker 1: he also had the big special teams tackle late in

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Speaker 1: the game that helps seal it for them. Nick Bonn

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Speaker 1: has been a huge piece to the Vic Fangio defense,

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Speaker 1: and Nick Bonn has been a huge piece of the Eagles' success.

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Speaker 1: Number fifty three. Nick Bond has been delivering results all

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Speaker 1: season long. And he saved his best for the Wildcard

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Speaker 1: round against the Packers. That was delivering results by Uber Eats,

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Speaker 1: up ahead. The Final eight is here and where you

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Speaker 1: get some coaching news in the next few weeks as well.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the joy the weekend everyone, It's my favorite weekend

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Speaker 1: of the year. The Divisional round is here. Thanks for listening.

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