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Speaker 14: We got it? All right? So of course you talk

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Speaker 9: to the most. And now my WiFi is gonna crap out.

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Speaker 14: So before I get into the meat and potatoes, how

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Speaker 7: But right now?

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Speaker 9: So Ilia Toputia is everything that you have been repeatedly

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Speaker 9: saying he is. But we're gonna need to peel back

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Speaker 9: the technical curtain a little bit here.

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Speaker 14: And perhaps it's just simple, but a lot of.

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Speaker 9: People are arguing that what he has done over the sake,

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Speaker 9: over the course of these three fights, right, is the

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Speaker 9: greatest three fight winning streak in UFC history when you

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Speaker 9: stack three successes not tkos, but knockouts of Alexander Volkanovski,

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Speaker 9: Max Holloway and now Charles Olivera. So what do you

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: John, you know what he did the Volkanovski was insane.

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Speaker 11: And then you know people are saying, well, Holloway, he's

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Speaker 11: got a chin of steel. No one's ever knocked him out.

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Speaker 11: To you, Halloway's way longer, he's way more experienced, he's bigger, YadA, YadA, YadA,

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Speaker 11: and he goes out and does the exact same thing

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Speaker 11: to Halloway, a guy with an iron chin. That was

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Speaker 11: everything I needed to see John, not only the fact

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Speaker 11: a lot of things. It's the guys that do all

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Speaker 11: then bow to his opponent like it was unbelievable. Start

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Speaker 11: to finish what he did execution wise, it's a guy

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Speaker 11: in Charles Olivera who has been the most dangerous finisher

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Speaker 2: He knew what this result was gonna be.

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Speaker 11: And again, that combination, that ending combination, John, is as

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Speaker 11: sharp as any boxing combination you will see at the

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Speaker 11: highest levels of the sport. And you're about to see

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Speaker 11: that in Canelo Verus Crawford. By the way, congratulations, I'm

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Speaker 11: pumped for you, man. I can't wait to see the fight.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's high level boxing. This is just oh

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Speaker 11: He's got power, he's got speed, the timing, the execution.

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Speaker 2: John, I can go on and on, but I'll let

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Speaker 9: Well No, I mean I could say athleticism and then

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Speaker 9: let you rip. I could say accuracy and then I

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Speaker 9: could let you rip. I could say hips. Right, I've

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Speaker 9: heard a lot of people talk about his life, but

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Speaker 9: I would rather sort of just let you rip. I mean,

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Speaker 9: you mentioned sort of how matter of fact he is

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Speaker 9: about everything, almost as if the outcome is an eventuality,

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Speaker 9: having his his celebration dinner.

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Speaker 14: The night before the fight.

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Speaker 9: And Ken, I know you weren't as relaxed in combat

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Speaker 9: as this man, right, you thrived in combat, There's no doubt,

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Speaker 9: but there is something miraculous about this man. I truly

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Speaker 9: in my twenty years covering combat sports, have never seen

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Speaker 11: When you put in the work, similar to a John Annik,

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Speaker 11: when you put in the work, you get the skill,

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Speaker 11: and when you get the skill, you get the confidence.

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Speaker 2: That's what's happening with Eliot Taporia.

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Speaker 11: And this is what happens John, when you get these

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Speaker 11: they're doing jiu jitsu, at thirteen fourteen, they're doing boxing,

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Speaker 11: and they are true students of the game. Iliotporia has

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Speaker 11: the ability to watch everything inside the sport and outside

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Speaker 11: saying for a little while now, is the best pound

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Speaker 11: a marvel to watch him compete. And again the masters

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Speaker 2: Make no mistake about it, is a master.

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Speaker 9: Two of these three Clement brothers weren't even in his corner,

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Speaker 14: A chance to sort of get into that storyline. He

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Speaker 9: And you know, calling his shot doesn't even begin to

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Speaker 9: describe it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 9: You talk about the early start doing jiu jitsu with

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Speaker 9: his grappling skills that we haven't necessarily seen yet, right,

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Speaker 9: but certainly he knows how to get out of a

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Speaker 9: somewhat compromising spot against Charles O Lavera early in that fight.

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Speaker 9: But my goodness, Kenny, in terms of comps in this sport, right,

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Speaker 9: I don't know. I mean, I try not to sound

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Speaker 9: the ESPN postfight shows, said our producer Charlie Mornahan says,

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Speaker 9: to the greatest three fight winning streak, and you have

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Speaker 11: How do you dispute it at this point you think

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Speaker 11: about it, I mean I have chills thinking about it.

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Speaker 11: But all the guys, you know, when you look at

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Speaker 11: what they've accomplished, Charles Olaverio, Alexander Bolkanowski, Max Holloway. You know,

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Speaker 11: I heard someone say something like like he's getting these guys,

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Speaker 11: when they're not a problem. I disagree completely. These guys

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Speaker 2: Look what Holloway. Look at what Holloway did to Gaichee.

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Speaker 9: for headlines brought to you by Quervo, the tequila that

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Speaker 14: Right, he just had beaten the number one contender.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, congratulations to Ilia Tolpulia, the stone cold assassin.

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Speaker 11: to the way that he fights, to the things that

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Speaker 11: he says, to how he dresses, the whole stick is

437
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 11: about as perfect of a persona as you can get

438
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 11: in combat sports. I mean, it's like, again, if this

439
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 11: was WW, it'd be an amazing character. But this is

440
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 11: This is real life fighting, this is real deal fighting,

441
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 11: and the dude does everything he's going to say, everything

442
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 11: he says he's gonna do. He goes out there and

443
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 11: executes it beautifully. Like what more can you say?

444
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 9: Well, and sometimes I joke about not wanting to ask

445
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 9: fighters stupid questions in the fighter meetings, but one thing

446
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 9: that you really have to be cautious of is that

447
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 9: if you are not prepared for a fighter meeting with

448
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 9: a guy like Iliantopodia, he's very short of when you know,

449
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 9: part of that is because there's no competitive advantage to

450
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 9: give you a bunch of shit when you ask him

451
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 9: if you would have taken like a non title fight

452
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Speaker 9: at fifty five, but very quick answer. Mean you better

453
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 9: have a next question, right he is? He is next

454
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 9: level man. And I will say I got starstruck when

455
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 9: Charles Olivera walked into that fighter meeting. I've interviewed Charles

456
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 9: a million times and for whatever reason, comes in there

457
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 9: with the blonde hair, andy entourage, and I get all

458
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 9: up in my feelings and I can't formulate questions.

459
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Speaker 2: Charles is awesome man.

460
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 11: Again, Like you even heard Topori after the fight, he's like,

461
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 11: I never want to fight another guy like Charles Olivera.

462
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 11: He's like, I love that guy. He's like, I have

463
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 11: so much respect for him. He said it was really

464
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 11: hard on fight week to go against someone like Charles Olivera.

465
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Speaker 11: And you know, I think also he's very appreciative the

466
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 11: fact that you know, as fighters were able to rob

467
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 11: everything from that person in a way, right, It's like

468
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Speaker 11: when you beat someone like Charles Olivera, people take notice.

469
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 11: And he understood very well that if he beats someone

470
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Speaker 11: like Charles Olivera, that was only going to make him

471
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 11: that much more of a star. He's appreciative of the opportunity.

472
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 11: And again, the class of Charles Olivera going over, you know,

473
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Speaker 11: them having that embrace after the fight, talking to each other,

474
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 11: all the respect that they showed before the fight. After

475
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 11: the fight, Charles is is the man, a true martial

476
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 11: artist through and through.

477
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: Love the guy.

478
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 11: He's gonna have more fights in the octagon at a

479
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 11: high level. Yeah, he's still gonna be a fan favorite,

480
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 11: and again he's a big reason why that fight was

481
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 11: so exciting and such a huge win for Tollporia.

482
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Speaker 9: I think Charles Olivera might just be the most beloved

483
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Speaker 9: fighter on the roster right now in terms of with

484
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Speaker 9: his peers, with the fans. And you're right, I think

485
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 9: there's a lot of fight left in the dog for him,

486
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Speaker 9: as long as the hunger is there.

487
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Speaker 14: He's made a lot of money. Of course, financial freedom

488
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 14: doesn't even begin to describe it.

489
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Speaker 9: But he's still very much relevant and He's still going

490
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 9: to be a lot of guys in that top ten.

491
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Speaker 14: We'll see how long he sticks around. But just dripping

492
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 14: with Klass.

493
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Speaker 9: The the UFC legend, Charles Dubronx, Olivera all right, can

494
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 9: flow ala Chandra pantos I mean this might be my

495
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 9: favorite fighter man my. In his four successive Flyway title defenses,

496
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 9: he has taken on a number of unique challenges. He's

497
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 9: dealt with rematches, he's dealt with wars. You know, he's

498
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 9: getting close to forty pro fights, not even including exhibitions,

499
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 9: having never been finished. Hard work, dedication. I don't have

500
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 9: enough good things to say about Alechandre Pantosia, and I

501
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 9: feel really good for him to have gotten this win,

502
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 9: you know, to sort of you know, continue this two

503
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 9: year victory lap.

504
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Speaker 11: I guess he is a grappling dynamo man. You know,

505
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 11: the things that he's able to pull off inside the

506
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 11: octagon and again just like Toporia, making it look easy,

507
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 11: of course, in a different way. With his grappling skill,

508
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 11: not his striking skill, makes him I think maybe the

509
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 11: most underrated fighter in the UFC at the present moment

510
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 11: as far as champions go. For my money, I think

511
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 11: that Pantosia is so fun to watch, and again, a

512
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 11: guy who has mastered the and fundamentals. The way he's

513
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 11: taking the back of Kai car France, the the frustration

514
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 11: on on Kai car Franz's face. Uh, during the fight,

515
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 11: it was just like, man, this is not the way

516
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 11: I thought it was gonna go.

517
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: He thought he was gonna be.

518
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 11: Able to get up a lot of these instances, the

519
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 11: way that Pantosia was kicking the feet out of Kai

520
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 11: car France, not allowing him to get base and connection

521
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 11: to the floor to get back to his feet was

522
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 11: a thing of beauty if you're a grappler, especially if

523
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 11: you're a guy who likes to take the back.

524
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Study study Pantoa. Yeah, man, is he good? Uh?

525
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 11: And it's it's almost like one of those things, is

526
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 11: like when you are so good at your craft and

527
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 11: you get something like a back position, it's just it's

528
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 11: a matter of fact, it's dead to rights type position

529
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 11: where Pantoja takes your back.

530
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: It's like Gretzky getting the puck in front of the net.

531
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Speaker 11: It's gonna be a goal, it's gonna be a real

532
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 11: naked choke and man, beautiful to watch.

533
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 9: And I know it is beautiful to watch, Like, I

534
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 9: absolutely love watching a guy get the body lockdown, get

535
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 9: the body triangle and eventually right. It really is a

536
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 9: thing of beauty, and certainly it was something that was

537
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 9: a big part of your game. So you know when

538
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 9: you talk sort of about taking everything that a guy

539
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 9: has worked for, you know, the way you did to

540
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 9: like Joe los On in the main event in two

541
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 9: thousand and eight, right, a couple of Massachusetts guys, right,

542
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 9: and you take everything the guy's worked for, you know.

543
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 9: And it's a really hard reality that Kai Katta France

544
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 9: steps into now because you did an appearance on Submission

545
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 9: Radio after UFC three seventeen, and one of the commenters

546
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 9: wrote that he will go to his grave knowing that

547
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 9: you beat Jose Alda right now, correct, don't you like

548
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 9: you were up two to one after three on my scorecard.

549
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 9: I don't know that you even thought you beat Jose Aldo.

550
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 9: But the point here is that you got stuff done

551
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 9: in that fight. You got stuff done in the Sean

552
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 9: Shirk fight, you got some stuff done in the Bjpen fight,

553
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 9: even if that wasn't maybe the best of those three, right,

554
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 9: But for Kai Katta Franz Kenny he put in the

555
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 9: training camp of a fucking lifetime and didn't get anything done.

556
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 9: And now you go back and you know, I don't

557
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 9: know if it's that it's that big a gap between

558
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 9: you and the vest in the world or that Pantosia

559
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 9: is just leaps and bounds a grappler above you. But like,

560
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 9: this has got to be a really hard pill to

561
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 9: swallow that you think you do everything and it's no

562
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 9: fucking context.

563
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, this is this is what masters make

564
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 11: you feel like. And Pantosia, again just like Toporia, but

565
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 11: in a different way, is a grappling master, Make no

566
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 11: mistake about it. And yeah, this is the importance of

567
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 11: knowing yourself and knowing thy enemy, right, just like Sansu

568
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 11: used to say.

569
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: And Pantosia didn't.

570
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 11: You know, Yes, he's gotten better as a striker, but

571
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 11: just like Habib normaka Matov, he does enough of what

572
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 11: he needs to do to get to that clinch and

573
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 11: get those takedowns. Because once you're on your back, boy,

574
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 11: you're not going anywhere. It's a parking spot and he's

575
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 11: gonna pin your shoulders down to the mat and the

576
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 11: only way you're gonna get up or change position is

577
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 11: by him taking your back. He's just that good. He

578
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 11: has a methodology, he has a system down path, and

579
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 11: there's very few people that have that level of control.

580
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 11: And for a jiu jitsu guy John from Brazil to

581
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 11: have these beautiful takedowns, like the way that he integrates

582
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 11: it into his striking and create that motion to put

583
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 11: you on your back and keep you constantly off balance

584
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 11: is amazing to watch. Kay car Frantz, I thought got

585
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 11: off to a pretty good start, but after that takedown

586
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 11: in round one and when he got his back taken,

587
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 11: you know, it seemed he seems so hesitant and so

588
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 11: fearful of throwing any punches after that in around two,

589
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 11: which only allowed Pantosia to be that much more aggressive.

590
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 11: Like he's got so many different things that he can

591
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 11: throw at you that I don't see anybody beating him

592
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 11: for a long time. I think only you know Pantosia

593
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 11: himself can beat himself like and I don't see him

594
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 11: stopping this hard workout at all, Like just the way

595
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 11: that he came up of where he comes from, I

596
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 11: don't think he's he's like that to just kind of

597
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 11: throw it all away. This is a guy that I

598
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 11: think is going to be very very close, if not surpassed,

599
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 11: what Demetrius Johnson had done in that division.

600
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 9: It's absolutely incredible and doing it in an even more

601
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 9: modern era. Right, Debtris Johnson won twelve UFC flyweight title fights,

602
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 9: eleven successive title defense is that I actually thought he

603
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 9: got that twelve one against Henris Ahudo. But certainly DJ

604
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 9: on most Mount Rushmoores of MMA and will reside there

605
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 9: into eternity. But what Pantosia has done, him and Pahoopa

606
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 9: have now won five straight UFC flyweight championship fights. Right,

607
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 9: They waited a year after they beat Alex Perez to

608
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 9: get the championship opportunity summer of twenty twenty three, and

609
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 9: now he's been an.

610
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 14: Absolute workhorse in two years.

611
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 9: Less than he's won five UFC flyweight title fights. And

612
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 9: in terms of preparing for someone like Pantosia, when Dustin

613
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 9: Pourier was getting ready for Kabib Normago Medov, there's a

614
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 9: methodology to the training. Right, you start in these bad

615
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 9: positions and you try to get up, and I think

616
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 9: some trainers would be like no, no, no, no, no,

617
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 9: like we're gonna avoid that at all costs and make

618
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 9: it the most boring fight in UFC history. Easier said

619
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 9: than done, because Pantosa just has a way of getting

620
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 9: it there and to your point, sort of mixing the

621
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 9: wrestling beautifully. But if you are prepping for Pantosia, right,

622
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 9: I mean, you need to avoid that fade at all costs. Like,

623
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 9: how do you prepare for somebody like that? I know

624
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 9: it's a hard question.

625
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, well I would say you need to find

626
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 11: maybe some of the best jujitsu guys on the planet,

627
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 11: get one or two of them to come out and

628
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 11: take your back, so you know what that feels like it.

629
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 11: You know, not all positions are not all I should say,

630
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 11: not all practitioners are created equal. You get a guy

631
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 11: who can take your back who's a Brazilian jitsu black belt,

632
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 11: and then you get someone else and it feels totally different.

633
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 11: That's what a master brings to the table. Pantosia is

634
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 11: just that. Even the way that he tripods, so who

635
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 11: come up and kind of put his head in your face,

636
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 11: which takes away your ability to get up completely, and

637
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 11: if not, he's.

638
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: Wrapping up your legs so you can't get back to

639
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: your feet.

640
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 11: So he has a lot He has a beautiful system

641
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 11: of what he does, similar to a Damian Maya, you know,

642
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 11: of what he does to get amazing control. I think

643
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 11: his takedowns are that much better than Maya's in the

644
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 11: one hundred and twenty five pound division.

645
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, you got to bring in elite guys. You

646
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: gotta work that.

647
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 11: Position, you gotta work your escapes, you have to work

648
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 11: of the different layers. There's the aspect of defending like

649
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 11: from the turtle position when they're trying to take your back.

650
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 11: There's a position of defending it with one hook. There's

651
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 11: the position of defending it with two hooks. There's the

652
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 11: position of defending it with the body triangle, and going

653
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 11: through all those different layers and putting in the work.

654
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 11: I don't think you can do it in one camp, John,

655
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 11: I think that's the problem. You can't do it in

656
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 11: one training camp. You gotta do this in like three

657
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 11: or four training camps. That's how good Pantosia is and

658
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 11: that's the kind of preparation you need against master champions

659
00:32:58,960 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 11: like him.

660
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 9: Let's get to the star of the program as we

661
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Speaker 9: go three wide and welcome in Raymond Peter Manga.

662
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 7: Oh that's my head we're gonna have to deal with it.

663
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: That looks beautiful.

664
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 9: Hey, sorry for sorry for keeping you waiting. I didn't

665
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 9: see the chat. I'm going on my cell phone today

666
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 9: because my WiFi has found me.

667
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 14: How are we doing, Raymond?

668
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 7: Oh? Wow, doing good? We didn't wait.

669
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 15: I would love listening to Kenny's annalysis of Pantosian. I

670
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 15: do agree with him. You can't get a guy who's

671
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 15: not squared away and do it in the camp. But

672
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 15: the whole idea is, by the time you hit this show,

673
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 15: you really should be squared away enough. Kenny, I think

674
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 15: where you could bring in an expert and make those adjustments. Like,

675
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 15: if you can't make those adjustments, I don't think you

676
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 15: belong there. I mean that's a big gap, you know.

677
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 15: But yeah, if you're just the average guy doing this

678
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 15: and you're used to maybe the striking and didn't put

679
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 15: the time into into the grappling, yeah one camping to

680
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 15: do it against this guy, even the way he kept

681
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 15: going back to the choke. I mean he had to

682
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 15: be like ten times in the row the guy would

683
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 15: pull his hand down. He just it was like a

684
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 15: slow death. He kind of just tortured him. But kids, uh, kids.

685
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 7: On a roll. Man. They I don't know who's going

686
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 7: to beat him in that division.

687
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like ty Car Frantz wasn't trying. He

688
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: was doing everything he could.

689
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 11: Man, he fought, Uh, he fought with that champion mindset.

690
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 11: He did everything he could. It just wasn't enough. Pantos

691
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 11: is just so good.

692
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, really good fun watching him fight, really is.

693
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 9: So Ray, I'm excited to pick your brain on all

694
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 9: things UFC three seventeen. But my goodness, man, I have

695
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 9: to start with this. You can barely even do your

696
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 9: laundry after Azerbaijan and al Jamaine Sterling has to book

697
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 9: a fight in fucking China.

698
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, just I mean, that's not the problem.

699
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 15: The problem is Trump torturing, uh Zing, what's the guy's

700
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 15: name is, Yeah, He's something will happen when everybody's over there,

701
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 15: that's the that's the issue.

702
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 7: I not going to China, No, But.

703
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 9: I just feel like, you know, Aljaman certainly if you

704
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 9: don't know it is fighting t city Brian Ortega later

705
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 9: this year in Shanghai, I believe. But no, Ray, I

706
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 9: just mean we talked over the last several weeks just

707
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 9: about the you know, the international travel and uh for

708
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 9: you know, UFC coaches and cornerman and cutman and referees

709
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 9: and staff. It's so I just think it's got a

710
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 9: funny you guys are you guys are going far and

711
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 9: wide for non title flights, going to shine, That's.

712
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 7: All I mean.

713
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 15: Seems like it seems like a punishment for ral Joe.

714
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 15: Oh yeah, your next fight, Your next fight's in Guam.

715
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 7: Hope. Yeah, I hope you enjoy it.

716
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 15: Yeah, you can only get it because there's only seventeen layovers.

717
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 7: But you'll a day and a half. I have fun.

718
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 14: Yeah, I just had to. Uh, I just that was

719
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 14: all I thought about.

720
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 9: But it's a great booking, and it's a big fight,

721
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 9: and it's a three round co main event, and you know,

722
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 9: I know the magnitude of that fight is not lost

723
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 9: on you.

724
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 14: But I don't even know where to begin. I guess

725
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 14: I'd love to get.

726
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 9: Your thoughts on Iliotputia knocking out Charles Olivera. The kid

727
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 9: calls his shot he's more relaxed in combat than anyone

728
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 9: I've ever seen, and adds another highlight to his insane reel.

729
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 7: Yeah.

730
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 15: I mean, look, man, the beauty is in the simplicity.

731
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 15: I mean, he's got really great I look, we've been

732
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 15: through it before. He knows how to punch and balance.

733
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 15: These combinations are good. Even what he did to him,

734
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 15: he's kind of jib and jib and he's in, he's out,

735
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 15: he's in, he's out, he's out, he's in, and you know,

736
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 15: like when.

737
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 7: You're coming in, he he's coming in.

738
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 15: He just set that up perfectly. And the kid obviously

739
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 15: has uh, he's got bricks in his hands because he's

740
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 15: it's just the way he's winning. He's knocking the shit

741
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 15: out of everybody. I mean, it's not you know, they're

742
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 15: they're out. I mean, that's that's pretty damn impressive, man.

743
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 15: And if you look at it, Kenny, it's nothing fancy.

744
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 15: You know, he's not spending, there's no crazy angles off

745
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 15: of punches. You know, it's good solid takedown defense, which

746
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 15: he looked great against Charles.

747
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 7: And he could keep that fight where he wants it.

748
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 7: And the more times he does that, the more times

749
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 7: you know that's going.

750
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 15: To beat his advantage. And I just thought it was

751
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 15: a thing of beauty, man, and it was funny. And

752
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 15: I'm not criticized, but just about it, I think as

753
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 15: Joe Rogan was starting to say, I don't know if

754
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 15: his power is because he was hitting Charles, I don't

755
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 15: know if his power is going to translate to one

756
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 15: point fifty five, which we were all kind of curious

757
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 15: right at that moment.

758
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 7: Bombo two shots.

759
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 15: The guy's that crazy, Like the timing couldn't have been better,

760
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 15: but his power looks like it transfers over and I

761
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 15: don't know, he looks good.

762
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 7: He's confident. Twenty seven years old. This is insanity.

763
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 11: Ray I said the same thing about his fundamentals. I'm

764
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 11: just wowed by them because these are the things that

765
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 11: I think people kind of don't really you appreciate. And

766
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 11: this is what happens when you get a kid who's

767
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 11: starting the sport early on.

768
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: He's able to develop this for years and master them.

769
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 11: But have you seen or is there another striker like

770
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 11: Eliot Tapoya out there right now? Is he the best

771
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 11: striker in the sport from what you've seen? And I'll

772
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 11: ask you the same question that John asked me. Is

773
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 11: this the best three fight win streak in UFC history?

774
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 15: Listen, three knockouts against three legends. Is it has to

775
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 15: be by far the best three fight win streak.

776
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 7: I can't.

777
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 15: That's not my game anyway, my memory shot. But there's

778
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 15: no way you're beaten that. I mean, those are three,

779
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 15: three legends that just got decimated. I mean, I don't know.

780
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 15: I mean, what was the first question?

781
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: Is is he the best striker in the sport? From

782
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: what you've seen right now?

783
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 7: You know, Kenny, you got to go, you gotta go

784
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 7: to the results.

785
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 15: I mean, he's KAO and everybody like I think is

786
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 15: he at Asanya was a great striker, right, but there

787
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 15: were times he was playing it safe against Romero and

788
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 15: maybe some of the other fights.

789
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 7: This this motherfucker is coming forward.

790
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 15: He don't give you shit, man, I mean, he's he

791
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 15: believes in himself. And again he's still young enough to

792
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 15: where is this guy gonna be at twenty nine? We

793
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 15: haven't even had a kind of a hiccup with him,

794
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 15: and you know, I don't know. I think so striker,

795
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 15: based on his based on his power and his fundamentals,

796
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 15: I'm gonna say he's the best striker.

797
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 14: So just looking at John Jones's resume, I.

798
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 9: Actually think this three fight winning streak is pretty fucking good.

799
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 9: I would give the nod to Topoitia but Ken Flow

800
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 9: and Raymond hear me out just for a second, Mauricio

801
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 9: Shogun hula right. That win for John Jones, the way

802
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 9: he did that was was I think, singularly almost as

803
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 9: good as any of these three wins.

804
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 11: Okay then twenty one years old or whatever it was, Yeah, right.

805
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, that singularly, I think is as good as

806
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 9: any of those wins for Ilio with back to Vulcan Holloway.

807
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 14: And Charles right.

808
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 9: Then pretty epic fight against Quintin Rampage Jackson next, right, and.

809
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 14: Then what he did to Lioto, fucking ma cheetah.

810
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 9: So like when you look at John, there are other

811
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 9: pockets where the three fight winning streak isn't as good,

812
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 9: and there are a lot of decisions. Right, we mentioned

813
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 9: last week on the show John Jones double digit decision

814
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 9: wins in the UFC. But Shogun Rampage, Lioto like that,

815
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 9: it's a pretty good fucking streak, but it ain't necessarily

816
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 9: you know, leaving three guys in coffins back to back

817
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 9: to back like this, you know, just completely stretched out.

818
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, but how did you compare a cheetah

819
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 15: to an understanding citizens are acting?

820
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 6: Though?

821
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 9: No, so John Jones was like some serial steroid abuser though.

822
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 7: Right, do you know there were no do you know? No,

823
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 7: I don't know, but you know, but I mean, but there's.

824
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 9: The Peico gram thing, right that obviously, I mean, there

825
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 9: was more than one transgression.

826
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 14: Don't don't make me sit here the some John Jones

827
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 14: defender apologists.

828
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 9: But the public record does not show him as some

829
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 9: anabolic steroid abuser at all. So, you know, never failed

830
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 9: to fail a drug test for I don't think an

831
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 9: anabolic like steroid, you know.

832
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 14: But anyway, Wow, we don't need to have that conversation today.

833
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 15: That's no, no, no, no, no, I don't even go

834
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 15: you could you could talk me about it all your wan.

835
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 15: That's one of those questions. If you know, you know,

836
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 15: if you don't know, you don't know.

837
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 9: But so when you look at a young John Jones

838
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 9: beating Leoto Machida, you feel like that was like steroid induced.

839
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 14: I mean, is that what you're saying or you just

840
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 14: don't know.

841
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 15: I guess at the end of the day, there's going

842
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 15: to be an asterisk on the guy's score card.

843
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 9: Well, do we think that the drug testing right now

844
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 9: is as as stringent as it was when Yusado was here,

845
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 9: certainly fucking not.

846
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 7: So I know I see the guy. The guy's come

847
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 7: to the gym just as often, but I have no

848
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 7: idea about that.

849
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 9: Well, anyway, whatever you want to say about this three

850
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 9: fight run in terms of Ilia Topolia moving forward, right,

851
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 9: you have the number one contender or Monsayergian who just

852
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 9: weighed in as a backup. Right, you do have Justin Gaechie,

853
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 9: but it seems like he might be the odd man out.

854
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 9: And then you have the guy that Ilia Topolia wants

855
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 9: to fight in Paddy Pimblet. Now, if Alexander Volkanovski after

856
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 9: he beat Diego Lopez got on a mic emphatically and said,

857
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 9: and it's not his job as the champion, but you know,

858
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 9: he keeps injecting the name mops are avoid into the equation.

859
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 14: So if he gets on the mic and says, hey.

860
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 9: UFC, you want going to clean up this fucking mobs

861
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 9: a boy Messi's and I know in the UFC, wre

862
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 9: me defend my title to get that fucking guy, and

863
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 9: I'm gonna knock him out. He'll probably make the money, right,

864
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 9: But he didn't necessarily do that, And moms are ivloyev

865
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 9: Is a wrestler that people don't necessarily think is entertaining, right,

866
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 9: juxtaposed against Patty pimblet is flying around the world with

867
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 9: his blonde hair and knocks people out, and so you

868
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 9: can understand why that fight has some merit. But what

869
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 9: do you think is gonna happen with Ilia point in

870
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 9: his first lightweight title defense?

871
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 14: Right?

872
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 15: Oh, i'd be I really, Look, I was confused by

873
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 15: Patty Pembley getting in the cage, like totally confused. I

874
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 15: don't know where he got injected into into that. But uh,

875
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 15: I think that the toughest fight for really would be Zeroukian. Yeah,

876
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 15: and I think that's a fight every but look, I

877
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 15: think after what he did to Charles, everybody would love

878
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 15: to see.

879
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 9: Uh.

880
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 7: And I've been calling for that fight, you know, to

881
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 7: Pouri against Islam at fifty five. If that's a possibility,

882
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 7: that is the fight.

883
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 15: If that's not the fight, I mean as far as

884
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 15: tough fights and worthy challenges, I'd go with Zerukian.

885
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 7: And that's not an easy fight either, you know.

886
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 15: So that's an He's he put some excitement, and I

887
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 15: mean that was always exciting that the vision, but he

888
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 15: adds a new uh, you know, a new wrinkle in

889
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 15: there that we have to iron out. So I think

890
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 15: that's I think it's great for the division, and you know,

891
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 15: you could start tomorrow. But I don't think Pimblet's getting shot.

892
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 7: Am I wrong with that?

893
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 9: Or so?

894
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 14: You know, you hit on a lot of truth.

895
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 9: So it looks like maybe October would be the month

896
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 9: that Jack Dela Madelena would defend his welterweight title against

897
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 9: Islami Kashev, and then you have Ramadan.

898
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 14: I think maybe in February.

899
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 9: I don't know exactly, but Iliatipotia said that if they

900
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 9: need him in December, he'll fight in December.

901
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 14: Otherwise we'll see him next year, you know.

902
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 9: So the notion that someone like Islami Kashev would fight

903
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 9: in October and then December, it's just not going to happen.

904
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 14: The way he has run his career. So I think

905
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 14: the calendar is going to play into this.

906
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 9: But I just don't think that even though I think

907
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 9: we're all in agreement that maybe Paddy shouldn't have been

908
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 9: in the octagon and instead it should have been a

909
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 9: celebration of Illia winning a belt in the second division.

910
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 9: You know, I think promotionally there's going to be a

911
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 9: strong push from somebody in that room to make the

912
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 9: pimblet and not the Sarakian fight.

913
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 7: Wow, I'd be in shock if they did that.

914
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 15: But really, you know, what are the qualifications for getting

915
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 15: in the ring after a guy wins a f Well.

916
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 14: No, you're right, No, I totally gin I didn't like it, right,

917
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 14: I have.

918
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 15: No idea, But what are the qualifications, Like, somebody's got

919
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 15: to know about it. I mean, not every fight somebody

920
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 15: jumps in the Ochta gun after what the hell are

921
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 15: the qualifications?

922
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 14: Well, no, you're right.

923
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 9: When Shop caught Rochmanov, the Ian Mashad o'gary and was

924
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 9: the rightful next title challenger, right like blow Muhammad had

925
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 9: a hard time getting past security to get in there.

926
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 9: I know Trump was in the building, But you're right,

927
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 9: like there needs to be a method to the madness,

928
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 9: Like it seemed as though there was some some some

929
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 9: forethought to the Joshua.

930
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 14: Van thing and there wasn't necessarily to this.

931
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, right.

932
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 11: I know Toporia had said something in a post fight

933
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 11: uh press not a postfight press conference, but it was

934
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 11: just an interview after his fight, and someone mentioned I

935
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 11: forget the lady's name, but she mentioned Gagie, who is

936
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 11: an absolute legend, and said, somebody the fact.

937
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: Of you must not like just.

938
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 11: My goodness, it is an absolutely savage. Now, I think

939
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 11: gai Chie's a guy right who is not gonna be

940
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 11: shy to trade with Toporia. He's got knockout power. Uh,

941
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 11: Tiporia is not invincible. But I think that'd be an

942
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 11: exciting fight. How how long it lasts, I don't know.

943
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 11: But you know, Gaeichee I think is in the conversation

944
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 11: a little bit. I would maybe put him maybe a

945
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 11: little bit above Patty Pemble at this stage of the game.

946
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 11: But I do agree with you Ray, I think Armatzrukian

947
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 11: from a stylistic standpoint, is probably the biggest threat.

948
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so.

949
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 15: I just said, you know what it is even in

950
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 15: Gaichee's obviously he's he's a fucking animal, but this is

951
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 15: a young animal. Twenty seven dude, that's gonna be I

952
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 15: forget about how good he is. You know, every day

953
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 15: his Clark's thicken. It's to his advantage With some of

954
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 15: these guys, it just is. I mean, you get him

955
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 15: two years, he's gonna be twenty nine. I mean, think

956
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 15: about twenty twenty nine. Think of the resume he's going

957
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 15: to have unless he's going to get worse.

958
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not going to get worse.

959
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 14: I mean the only isn't going to get worse. He's

960
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 14: going to get better.

961
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 15: No, No, he's even if he just man paints where

962
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 15: he is and he stays healthy, that's enough.

963
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 7: But the other the the I mean, if there's.

964
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 15: A kind of a floor, it's that he's actually tiny

965
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 15: for fifty five, you know, he's not a big fifty

966
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 15: five is so for him to go up there and

967
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 15: still keep that knockout power and obviously his speed, uh

968
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 15: I don't know it just and I And we haven't

969
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 15: even gotten to his wrestling in jiu jitsu yet. Technically

970
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 15: that's what we have to like, when he's really forced

971
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 15: in those areas, how is he going to react?

972
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 9: You know?

973
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 14: So there's this his best area.

974
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 11: That's yeah, area we can we talk about Can we

975
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 11: talk about that because we didn't talk about that the

976
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 11: grappling part of it.

977
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: Ray, you know, it's like that that counter that he did,

978
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: it looked like, uh.

979
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 11: It looked like Charles Olovera was almost had to rights

980
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 11: on that bodylock takedown. It was like it was gonna happen.

981
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 11: Oh no, it looks like Toporia is going to be

982
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 11: on his back. And then the athleticism that John Nix

983
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 11: talking about, like he switches his hips last second, gets

984
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 11: on top. And then as soon as Oliver opened his

985
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 11: legs from guard, he passed it was. He made it

986
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 11: look like olivera was a white belt. He went right

987
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 11: into Neon's stomach in like a second. Oliver did a

988
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 11: great job getting out of it as Toporia was trying

989
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 11: to get to mount, then went right into that you know,

990
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 11: slick foot lock.

991
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: But uh man, I mean that's the thing. It's like,

992
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: where do you beat the guy?

993
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 7: Yeah?

994
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: Wait, where are you supposed to beat the guy? What

995
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: are you supposed to do to him? Exactly?

996
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 7: And not for nothing?

997
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 15: And you know, I know you love the guy and

998
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 15: I always love seeing this guy. But what he did

999
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 15: to Ryan Hall, who's a freak off his back, that

1000
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 15: was that that was the start of like, all right, well,

1001
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 15: every who the hell wants to fight Ryan Hole.

1002
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 11: Right, And in the preparation, the preparation for all of

1003
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 11: those fights of how good he's got. It's like, man,

1004
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 11: if you're gonna be able to prep for a guy

1005
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 11: like Ryan Hall and his leg locks all over.

1006
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be that big of a deal, you know.

1007
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: So all the fights, like.

1008
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 11: Everything this dude has done has been extremely well calculated.

1009
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 11: As John Annikus said, every move he's playing chess. Everyone

1010
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 11: else is playing checkers, man, and he's got the skills

1011
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 11: to back it up. This is as complete a mixed

1012
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,959
Speaker 11: martial arts fighter in every aspect business wise, What he says,

1013
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 11: how he goes about, it's just it's unreal. This is

1014
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 11: what happens when you study the sport inside and out,

1015
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 11: and you start at an early age and you bring

1016
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 11: this package into the octagon that people just aren't ready for.

1017
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 15: Andy Kenny, I gotta tell you, I have to believe

1018
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 15: to just having the support of his family again, I'm

1019
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 15: going back. He's twenty seven. Is he's got a beautiful wife,

1020
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 15: beautiful kid. You know, it's just it's everything, It's everything,

1021
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 15: And you could see he's got belief in himself, belief

1022
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 15: in the people around him, and that's when the magic happens.

1023
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 15: And and he's got the really great fundamentals to solid solid.

1024
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1025
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 9: His son's going to be in the UFC too, right, right,

1026
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 9: the time, So Ray, we were definitely on the same

1027
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 9: wavelength as Kenny was talking. I wrote down, you know,

1028
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,479
Speaker 9: Ryan Hall and Bryce Mitchell are two of the best

1029
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 9: grapplers in the featherweight division, you know, and he was

1030
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 9: able to dispose of those guys. So in terms of

1031
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 9: the power translating and moving up, right, like I think

1032
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 9: now you know, yes, alex Pa Data might be afford

1033
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 9: the opportunity to chase the heavyweight title, but that's.

1034
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 14: Not going to be the next fight or the next

1035
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 14: one after that most likely.

1036
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 7: Right.

1037
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 9: So the notion that like if Islami Kasha were to

1038
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 9: beat Jack Dela Madelena, you know that somehow maybe Ilio

1039
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 9: would get the chance to move up to seventy.

1040
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 3: Right.

1041
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 9: I can't even say it seriously, but you know, like

1042
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 9: if you had to send one welterweight in there to

1043
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 9: eat I Toe Podia, right, certainly you're gonna find one

1044
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 9: of the size guys. You know, maybe it's like a

1045
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 9: Sean Brady or maybe like shop got rock monb. I

1046
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 9: don't know, you know, but like Ray, if you had

1047
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 9: to send a welterweight in there to beat Ilia, who's

1048
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 9: your guy?

1049
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: Uh?

1050
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 14: You know what someone said to me, they said, if

1051
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 14: he fights Joaquin Buckley, he's gonna knock him out cold.

1052
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 14: And I'm thinking Joaquin Buckley could eat to Portia for dinner.

1053
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean that it does come a point when

1054
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 15: that's gonna eventually really matter.

1055
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 7: I think we're pushing it.

1056
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 15: I mean you could probably find obviously, look for first

1057
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 15: of all, there's no question in my mind, can't I

1058
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 15: think you'll agree he could.

1059
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 7: Beat a lot of the one a lot of one seventies,

1060
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 7: you know, but when.

1061
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 15: It gets up to the top and and that shit

1062
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 15: starts to matter, and yeah, that would that that's a

1063
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 15: that would be a big ask.

1064
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 9: Kenny Max Holloway said that he wanted to take a

1065
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 9: fight at eighty five before his UFC career was over.

1066
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1067
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 11: I mean, gosh, well he's got he's he has a

1068
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 11: taller frame, right and all that stuff. But you know,

1069
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 11: I'll say this, as good as Toporia is, I think

1070
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 11: these would be the kind of decisions that would ultimately

1071
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 11: be his downfall. It's it's, you know, you go out

1072
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 11: throughout you know history, uh, you know, with war or whatever.

1073
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 11: You know, when Alexander the Great, uh, you know, you

1074
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 11: know all these other guys that decided to go. You

1075
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 11: know what, Jengis Khan, Let's go to this other country.

1076
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 11: Let's go to this other country. Let's go to this

1077
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 11: other country. Let's take over this, Let's take over that.

1078
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 11: When you start to get too far out of your

1079
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 11: powers and you believe you're something that you're not, that's

1080
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 11: when you can get yourself in trouble.

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00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: And I say it all the time. It's like, I

1082
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 2: love it.

1083
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 11: I love when guys go up away class or maybe

1084
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 11: down a weight class. But when you start to go

1085
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 11: too much, I think that's when you're gonna start to

1086
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 11: get those losses. And Eliot Toporia I think should be

1087
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 11: very happy being a two division champion and going out undefeated.

1088
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 2: I think there's no shame in that. You don't need

1089
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: to go another weight class, my man.

1090
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 11: Uh And apparently Ilia said that a part of this

1091
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 11: deal was the USC said, whatever you do if you

1092
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 11: beat Charles Oliver, please don't say you're gonna go to.

1093
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: And I agree with that. I agree with that.

1094
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 11: That's what the USC should do because just stay in

1095
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 11: your division. Be be the man in your division. Bro, Like,

1096
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 11: just just be happy with that.

1097
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, John, trust me, he could be.

1098
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 15: He's gonna he's gonna I go back to like BJ

1099
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 15: Penn fight and Lioto Macheeter at like two o five.

1100
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 15: BJ is not a big guy. E then he fought

1101
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 15: in all different weight lisses. And I mean, Kenny, you

1102
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 15: can attest to you fought three freaking weightlisses that right.

1103
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, But I'll say this so so people, just

1104
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 11: so people know the context of this, Like, so I

1105
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 11: thought in the UFC, this is how old I am.

1106
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 11: I thought the UFC when they didn't have a one

1107
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 11: fifty five divisions, so I took the opportunity to fight

1108
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 11: on the ultimate Fighter at twenty five, and then I

1109
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 11: went to the welterweight division because that was the smallest

1110
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 11: weight class that they had at the time. So yes,

1111
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 11: I fought at twenty five, and yes I fought at

1112
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 11: one seventy, but I really was a one to fifty

1113
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 11: five through it three even when I fought one forty five,

1114
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 11: I was one fifty five.

1115
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: But anyways, just as this so people be like, yeah,

1116
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: but Kenny, you fought at four weight classes. What are

1117
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: you talking about now you understand?

1118
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 15: Yeah, but Kenny, but you can attest to the difference

1119
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 15: in size and especially now in twenty twenty five now

1120
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 15: right back then a little Yeah.

1121
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: I'd be dead if I fought at those weight classes today.

1122
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 15: Yeah, It's just like then you could be a jiu

1123
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 15: jitsu guy, you would tapping out two hundred and twenty

1124
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 15: pound guys. It didn't matter because the level of you know,

1125
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 15: expertise wasn't where it is today right now, where you know,

1126
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 15: like everything matters, I say, every pound at this point.

1127
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 11: And that's what makes John. That's what makes what Topori

1128
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 11: has done so special. It's like in an era where

1129
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 11: every all these amazing teams are coming together and you know,

1130
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 11: we have so much more knowledge than we did back then,

1131
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 11: and everyone kind of knows the right way for the

1132
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 11: most part, how to train.

1133
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: And you know, and we know how to prep.

1134
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 11: Were you still doing this? He's still making guys look

1135
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 11: like they're in their UFC day, right, It's crazy.

1136
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 15: Yeah, And you gotta love this John too, you know,

1137
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 15: like he's trained in Spain with a big camp, right,

1138
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 15: it's not like oh we got a great room, you know,

1139
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 15: and show up and Zari and this guy's beating the

1140
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 15: ship out of people and he's doing it his way.

1141
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 14: That's leading into the fight, right, Like he gives you so.

1142
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 9: Much bulletin board material if you're the opposition, right, like

1143
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 9: an NFL coach would be having a field day.

1144
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 13: You know.

1145
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 9: He's on embedded saying, man, poor Charles, like this is

1146
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 9: just not going to end. Well, I really don't want

1147
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 9: to do this to Charles. And then he gets asked

1148
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 9: about Justin Gatchee, as ken Flow said, and he's like, man,

1149
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 9: you guys must really not like Justin. You understand the

1150
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 9: gravity of that matchup for Justin, Like it's insane the

1151
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 9: way he talks, and then he all those words become

1152
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 9: actions and it's just it's just so a matter of fact.

1153
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,879
Speaker 14: It's it's like nothing I've really seen.

1154
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 9: I know they're McGregor comparisons to be drawn, but this guy,

1155
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 9: I think is even that next level.

1156
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 15: Oh no, this guy's this guy's a stone cold killer.

1157
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 15: When he gets in there, I mean he's no. The

1158
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 15: thing is too he's not hitting you with one punch.

1159
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 15: He is putting his combos together like he's he steps

1160
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 15: in the pocket, he's like you could see knocked him

1161
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 15: out with the cross.

1162
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 7: He hit him with the hook, but the guy was

1163
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 7: already out. See.

1164
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 15: That was my thing going into the fight, because I did,

1165
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 15: you know, predict a ko one with a couple other people.

1166
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 15: It's just that I knew he wasn't going to be

1167
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 15: the type of guy to hit him. Once Charles goes

1168
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 15: to his ass, you know he's not really out. This

1169
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 15: guy's to finish him. Man, he's coming, guns blazing, and

1170
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 15: just go back and look at it was like a

1171
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 15: dance in and out, in and out, in and out

1172
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 15: and bone.

1173
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 2: And Ray let him right in and Ray.

1174
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 11: How many guys look exactly the same in a fight

1175
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 11: that they do on the pads, Like everything that does

1176
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 11: the pads is actually what he does during a fight.

1177
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 2: Like it looks just as crip crisp, just as fundamentally sound.

1178
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 15: You're like, might be good, because that's the case, fundamentally sound,

1179
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 15: Like it's not you're not looking.

1180
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 7: The beauty is in the simplicity.

1181
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 15: It's not like he's running all over, he's doing calt

1182
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 15: wheel kicks everything.

1183
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 7: The beauty is in the simplicity of what he's doing.

1184
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 7: And then you know he goes out and he does it.

1185
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 7: It's it looks always up to the fight.

1186
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 15: It's it's it's phenomenal to watch. Uh Man Georgia is

1187
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 15: on the map with these two guys.

1188
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 7: Man, Yeah, that's pretty.

1189
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 14: And and congrats to you for picking by knockout along

1190
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 14: with the rest of Oh.

1191
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 7: I don't know if I did on the show. I

1192
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 7: just in a couple of group chats.

1193
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, well congrats, congrats you really went out on a

1194
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 14: fucking left.

1195
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 15: Well you know, but John, just to say, because you know,

1196
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 15: I don't even like doing I hate predictions.

1197
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: This one.

1198
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 7: I kind of knew that guy was getting knocked out.

1199
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 7: I was pretty out of right.

1200
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 9: Right, you have somebody actually maybe it's Steve Lee, former

1201
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 9: friend of the Anaican Florian podcast, filming you for.

1202
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 14: Your own filming you for your own fucking Instagram being like, Ray,

1203
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 14: give us a pick ah.

1204
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 9: It's like that's good content, boy, it's really fucking good

1205
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 9: way to go.

1206
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 7: Wow.

1207
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 14: He no, I mean you come at Team Muhammad, you

1208
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 14: come at me.

1209
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 9: So can we transition to Joshua Van and Pantosian all

1210
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 9: of that if we could? Right, we got about five

1211
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 9: more minutes with the absolute legend, the future Hall of

1212
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 9: Famer Ray Longo, so exciting times for the man at

1213
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 9: one hundred and twenty five pounds. We spent a lot

1214
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 9: of time waxing poetic about Pantosia, But I guess Ray,

1215
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 9: I'll just start with you on Pantosia. Just an amazing

1216
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 9: champion and now he's got a next fight already against

1217
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 9: the eighth youngest fighter in the UFC.

1218
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 7: Look this kid.

1219
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 15: What I was what I was impressed with Joshua Van

1220
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 15: end to Pooria was the size difference and how do

1221
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 15: you were able to break range and get what they wants?

1222
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 15: Really a beautiful display of footwork, simple footwork, you know

1223
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 15: what I mean, like that, you know, all over the place.

1224
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 15: But both of those guys were able to make up

1225
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 15: for a big height difference and get what they wanted,

1226
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 15: which I thought was just unbelievable.

1227
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 7: So I thought that fight deserved whatever accolades it got.

1228
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 7: It was a great fight.

1229
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 15: Roy Vel is just a tough out for anybody's tough

1230
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 15: and that fight was The fight was close optics. You know,

1231
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 15: the other guy's face was a little missed up, so

1232
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 15: I think that played into it. Very close fight, but man,

1233
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 15: Van had the That's the fight of his life so.

1234
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: Far, and that was Man.

1235
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 14: You're right, though, Ray, You're absolutely right.

1236
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 9: Like Brandon Roybal at the end of the fight, he

1237
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 9: was like, fuck right, because up until that last minute

1238
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 9: or so that third rounds were of hung in the balance,

1239
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 9: and maybe the fight did as well. Kenny, love to

1240
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 9: get your thoughts on the fight of the night. It'll

1241
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 9: hold up in the Fight of the Year conversation, you know.

1242
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 9: For me, even though I was not an azer by Jean,

1243
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 9: I still think Nicholas Mota and Nazim Satikov for me,

1244
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 9: I vote for that fight over this one. Even though,

1245
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 9: and I know people might think I'm crazy. Even though

1246
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 9: this fight between Van and Royvalkenny was the first time

1247
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 9: in UFC history that both combatants had landed more than

1248
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 9: two hundred significant strikes and it was not even a

1249
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 9: twenty five minute fight.

1250
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: That's insane. I'm trying to wrap my head around that.

1251
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 7: You know.

1252
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 11: Well, first of all, the Nasmota fight was awesome. The

1253
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 11: Sadakoff Moti fight was awesome. I think that Sadakov really

1254
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 11: there was that spot where he was hurt, but largely

1255
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 11: he was pretty dominant, I think, and in the fight,

1256
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 11: I think there was a little bit more of a

1257
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 11: balance of a back and forth in this fight between.

1258
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: Sorry, between Roy Val and Van.

1259
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 11: I think that it was awesome, and considering the fact

1260
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 11: that Van again, it was a three week turnaround. He

1261
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 11: had a broken toe or something like that heading into

1262
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,919
Speaker 11: that fight, which you know, I'm not sure people can appreciate. Yeah,

1263
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 11: it's just a little toe, but you got to move

1264
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 11: around the octagon on footworks. It's kind of a big

1265
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 11: part of moving around the octagon. And the fact that

1266
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 11: Van was able to be uh this impressed. Look this

1267
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 11: impressive at such a young age against an absolute beast

1268
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 11: in Reuvale, who was so game, who did everything possible

1269
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 11: to win, but Van was just that much sharper on

1270
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:17,439
Speaker 11: the feet.

1271
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 14: Man.

1272
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 2: I thought it was an unbelievable performance by both men.

1273
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 14: Uh.

1274
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 11: For me, it's the fight of the year right now.

1275
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 11: Uh and yeah, I mean Van did exactly what he

1276
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 11: needed to do to get that championship opportunity. Not only

1277
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 11: did he win, he did in uh dynamic fashion. Uh

1278
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 11: what a freaking fight, dude. I was jumping up and down.

1279
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 11: I've seen a lot of fights. Okay, I've seen a

1280
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 11: lot of fights. I'm a former professional mixed martial artist.

1281
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 11: I don't get too loud, uh, you know, too often.

1282
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 11: And man I was I was jumping out of my

1283
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 11: seat watching that.

1284
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 15: I mean, look, the only the only difference with me

1285
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 15: with the with Nazs fight is it had that element

1286
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 15: of you know, the he might have lost the fight,

1287
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 15: he the comeback makes that fight just unbelievable.

1288
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 7: This one was.

1289
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 15: This one was technically better because it was back and forth,

1290
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 15: you know, very even. But when you come back from

1291
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 15: taking you're against the cage, you take seventy five punches

1292
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 15: and then you walk forward in the next round.

1293
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a right.

1294
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 7: He has a rocky story in front of his home town.

1295
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 15: I don't think you're beating that, to be honest with you,

1296
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 15: but this fight from a technical standpip back and forth

1297
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 15: could have went either way.

1298
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 7: Nobody wanted to give in, you know what I mean?

1299
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 15: It was that was a great fight for Joshua Van

1300
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 15: because it was so competitive and it's gonna carry you know,

1301
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 15: it's gonna do him well moving forward in the future.

1302
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 14: Uh.

1303
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 15: And you could see he just he had to, you know,

1304
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 15: the burning desire to win and just just a transition,

1305
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 15: which I just want to say one thing about to uh.

1306
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 15: I thought Peyton Talbot, you know we after coming back

1307
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 15: from a loss against a really good guy, showed me

1308
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 15: a lot.

1309
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:56,439
Speaker 14: Man.

1310
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 15: He's he's still a raw He's still a raw piece

1311
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 15: of clay, but it looked like something click for this guy.

1312
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 7: He had his eye moment. He could this kid was

1313
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,919
Speaker 7: good that he fought, Yeah, and he beat him down

1314
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 7: like he he did not want to lose. That's what

1315
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 7: I like.

1316
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 15: That's like the burning desire to win. That's what I

1317
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 15: was looking at. Yeah, hats off the Peyton Talbot because

1318
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 15: I came out strong with him. He had a glitch,

1319
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 15: you know, but now he what he did to me,

1320
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 15: based on a lot of different things, was absolutely phenomenal.

1321
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 15: Loved the way he handled the mic and that you

1322
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 15: could see he's you know, he's interested. You know he's

1323
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 15: internally trying to figure out what's going on, and he's

1324
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 15: doing a great job. Great fight for him to get passed.

1325
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 15: I'm really really happy.

1326
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 7: To see that.

1327
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 9: I'm so glad you said that, because not just in

1328
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 9: terms of the strength and conditioning and making his body

1329
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 9: work better for the weight class, but everything in terms

1330
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 9: of the preparation responsiveness from the first career loss.

1331
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 14: Right.

1332
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 9: We oftentimes talked about a loss being a good thing

1333
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 9: for a fighter. I'm not sure that there's a better

1334
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 9: sort of know post your child for that and Peyton

1335
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 9: Talbot beating felipe a Lima like this and Rema Yeah,

1336
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 9: I mean Kenny and I will get to that fight. Uh,

1337
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 9: probably on the backside of your appearance. Anything else you

1338
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 9: want to touch on. I want to be respectful for

1339
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 9: your time, Raymond. But okay, thank you buddy.

1340
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 14: We love you. And uh we're actually dark next week

1341
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 14: for the holiday, so in July.

1342
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 7: Wow, listen, I'll say that Happy Fourth of July. Guys.

1343
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 2: Yes you too.

1344
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 7: If you need a good party, you're pretty close, John,

1345
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 7: I got you to.

1346
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 9: I'm gonna come see you. I'm gonna come surprise you

1347
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 9: guys at the gym. Hopefully Steve Lee lets me in.

1348
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 7: Yeah. Then you picked some time to banish us from

1349
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 7: your from your friends list. You just move next to us,

1350
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 7: perfect timing. Take take it easy, guys.

1351
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 14: See love you, Ray It is so amazing.

1352
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 11: Uh.

1353
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 14: You know, I said, John Jones is perpetually misunderstood, and

1354
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 14: I think a lot of public figures feel petully misunderstood. Man,

1355
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 14: Am I misunderstood by Team Longo? If they think that

1356
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 14: I was the driving force of this?

1357
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 9: You know, they start talking about Blal's fighting style, putting

1358
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 9: people to sleep. After his back to back fights against

1359
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 9: Leon Edwards and Jack Della Matt Atlanta, So like, what

1360
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 9: exactly are you fucking watching? So in terms of the

1361
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 9: Peyton Talbot thing, I mean, I can't emphasize enough how

1362
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 9: much respect I have for this athlete in accepting this

1363
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 9: fight as an underdog against Felipe a Lima.

1364
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 14: That was all the rage according to so many onlookers.

1365
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 9: And I think for Felipe a Lima, for whatever reason,

1366
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 9: he just didn't stick to his striking or have the

1367
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 9: confidence in his striking, and I think that might have

1368
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 9: produced a different result.

1369
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 14: But I thought Peyton looked fantastic. He was so present

1370
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 14: during the week and so present in fight.

1371
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I agree with the analysis on Felipe Lima.

1372
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 11: You know, I certainly got it wrong. I thought that

1373
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 11: perhaps he was a better grappler than what he showed.

1374
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 11: I think when his take downs were failing, I think

1375
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 11: mentally he kind of checked out a little bit.

1376
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 7: Later in that fight.

1377
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 11: I think he was frustrated that he wasn't able to

1378
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 11: complete a lot of those positions against Talbot. Started off great.

1379
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 11: I think he was landing some great punches as well.

1380
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 11: And again, John, you know, I don't know why he

1381
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 11: didn't go back to a striking. Maybe it was exhaustion.

1382
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 11: I think that definitely played a part in he was

1383
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 11: a little frustrated. He was a little bit tired. But

1384
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 11: I don't know what happened to those sharp combinations that

1385
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 11: he was showing in round one. In part of round two,

1386
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 11: they kind of went away and he tried to take

1387
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 11: him down repeatedly, and a lot of those takedowns were

1388
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 11: just sloppy or at least, you know, maybe not technical

1389
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 11: enough against Talbot.

1390
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: But I agree with what Ray said.

1391
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 11: I think Talbot did a lot of his homework extremely

1392
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 11: well coming back from that loss. You never quite sure

1393
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 11: how someone's gonna come back. He looked focused, he looked composed,

1394
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 11: and he looked prepared.

1395
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 9: Last thing on Joshua Van who should probably be sleeping

1396
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 9: with another human being on his back if he really

1397
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 9: wants to beat Pantos three or four months, right, So

1398
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 9: you know that Joshuavan is gonna have youth on his side,

1399
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 9: the cardiovascular base certainly, youth factors prominently historically in these

1400
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 9: equations when it comes to title fights. You know, Pantosa

1401
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 9: is on the other side of thirty five, you know,

1402
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 9: but Pantosa just fought an experience mixed martial arts athlete

1403
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 9: with over thirty pro fights, who had prepared for him before,

1404
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 9: who has a wealth of UFC knowledge, and made it

1405
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 9: look relatively easy. Now we have Joshua Van who, certainly

1406
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 9: I think you can argue as a maybe tighter boxer

1407
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 9: than Pantosa. But how do you handicap that fight in

1408
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 9: a few months, because Joshuavan is a guy who would

1409
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 9: only wrestled for six months before he made his UFC debut.

1410
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is absolutely insane.

1411
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 11: And I don't know if it's just youth, you know,

1412
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 11: youthful ignorance, or whether he's the kind of guy who

1413
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 11: rises to the challenge. And I think it's the latter.

1414
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 11: I think he's just super composed and nothing really phazes him. Yeah,

1415
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 11: but he's certainly gonna need that. But John, it takes

1416
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 11: a lot more than just that. It's not just your confidence,

1417
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 11: it's not just your youth, it's not just your physicality.

1418
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 11: You have to go in there against, you know, in

1419
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 11: a fight against Pantosia extremely well prepared, and I couldn't

1420
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 11: agree more. He should be sleeping with someone on his

1421
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 11: back at all times in preparation for this fight. I

1422
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 11: think the longer timeline the better. It takes a long

1423
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 11: time to get better on the grappling front, so his

1424
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 11: back defense is gonna have to be on point.

1425
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: But more than anything else, I think his takedown defense

1426
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 2: is gonna have to be on point.

1427
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,839
Speaker 11: If he's able to win that battle, then his striking

1428
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 11: can come to fruition and he can expose you know whatever,

1429
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 11: you know, potential vulnerability we see with Pantosia on the feet,

1430
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 11: and I think that is the weakest part of Pantosa's game,

1431
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 11: But that's.

1432
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: Not necessarily a weak part of his game.

1433
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 11: Pantosia can strike as well, and I think we'll have

1434
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 11: a little bit of a length advantage I think in

1435
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 11: that fight against Van. But Van is a spectacular striker, John,

1436
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 11: I mean, he showed and that fight against a.

1437
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: Special really really special.

1438
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 11: The combinations, the counters, the speed, the toughness, nothing seemed

1439
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 11: to phase him. So all those things are great things.

1440
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 11: But this fight will be won and lost with his

1441
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 11: grappling preparation.

1442
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, you might have heard DC say that andre Ward

1443
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 9: saw Joshua Van fight Bruno Silva live and just was

1444
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,919
Speaker 9: absolutely marveling at the box the skills and yeah, Pantosa

1445
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 9: is a great Multai striker. But certainly there's a path

1446
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 9: of least resistance, or so it would appear. Yeah, if

1447
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 9: I'm Joshua Van and I have a girlfriend, every time

1448
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 9: I take a pick six months, she's getting on my

1449
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 9: fucking back and we're walking to the bathroom. You know,

1450
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 9: congrats to benil Dar, he's getting to win for the

1451
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 9: first time in a long time. I thought he looked

1452
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 9: really good against Anatomy Kano. I thought his kicking game

1453
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 9: looked fantastic. Really happy for him. Hopefully Moikano turns this

1454
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 9: around quickly to get that uh taste out of his mouth,

1455
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,560
Speaker 9: and as you know, he can't afford to sit on

1456
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 9: the shelf for two long Quickly, before we get out

1457
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 9: of here, I want to talk about Gregory Rodriguez against

1458
01:09:58,600 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 9: Jack Hermanson.

1459
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 14: Devastat knockout right.

1460
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 9: So if herb Dean was a little bit more fleet

1461
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 9: of foot, maybe he prevents Jack Romanson from taking that

1462
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 9: extra blow. Your thoughts on this are well documented that

1463
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 9: you're a fighter, you're not a referee. The referee needs

1464
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 9: to stop the fight now, Mark Hunt, the lead horse

1465
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 9: is the king of the walk off ko. Certainly there

1466
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 9: was an opportunity for a walk off ko here. But

1467
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 9: you know, Gregory Rodriguez doesn't really care what you think.

1468
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 9: And if the proof sort of lies in the pudding,

1469
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 9: he got a fifty thousand dollars bonus, and you could

1470
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 9: be sure when that knockout is repurposed on Sports Center

1471
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 9: and all over the world they show the follow up shot. Yeah,

1472
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 9: so he's going to be criticized by some, but I

1473
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 9: know you sort of agree with the decision to you know,

1474
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 9: make sure that you know the opposition is out in

1475
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:46,679
Speaker 9: the moment.

1476
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 14: You know you got a millisecond to make a decision, right,

1477
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 14: that's right.

1478
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 11: And you know every professional fighter is going to approach

1479
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 11: that differently. And you know there's also been the case

1480
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 11: where you've knocked down an opponent and you walk away

1481
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 11: or you think he's out and you don't follow up

1482
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 11: and the guy comes back to life and then beat

1483
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 11: your ass or poet to beat your ass, and you

1484
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 11: know you're so focused in the moment as a fighter,

1485
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 11: you know you're probably gonna follow up.

1486
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: I think most.

1487
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 11: Fighters are most likely going to follow up, and it's

1488
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 11: the referees job to stop you.

1489
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 2: That's the key here.

1490
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 11: And I think Herb Dean was a little lazy in

1491
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 11: that stoppage of getting in between and stopping Rodriguez from

1492
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 11: that follow up.

1493
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 2: I don't think it was necessary, but again.

1494
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 11: Every fighter is going to approach that differently, and you

1495
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 11: know it's hard to turn that off as a guy

1496
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 11: that is trained for that killer type instinct. And in

1497
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 11: my opinion, I don't have a major issue with it.

1498
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 11: Could he have walked away, absolutely, probably would have been fine.

1499
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 11: I didn't see her Manson getting up after that big shot,

1500
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 11: but again, that is not his job. Rodriguez's job is

1501
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 11: to keep fighting until he's told not to do so.

1502
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 2: So he's a robo cop.

1503
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 9: He's a robot, right, and I'm really interested to see

1504
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 9: what they do with him next. You know, he had

1505
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 9: moments against Jared cannoneer, but he's going to get a

1506
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,879
Speaker 9: big fight at eighty five, and he is a fearsome,

1507
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 9: fearsome guy. I would think to show up in your

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Speaker 9: bracket if you're a one to eighty five or the

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Speaker 9: consequences of one clean shot from that guy. In my word,

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Speaker 9: and congrats to the young Mexican American out of the MMA,

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Speaker 9: lab Hose Amy Gueldlgado No bonus officially that you can

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Speaker 9: be sure the me will be taken care of by

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Speaker 9: the UFC and whatever back room. Congrats to Chasey Cortez

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Speaker 9: and Terrence McKinney, Jakobe Smith, Jonata Jani's and everybody else.

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Speaker 9: Memorable pay per view UFC three seventeen And quickly before

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Speaker 9: you get out of here, you may have heard Kempfelow reference.

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Speaker 9: So I am calling the fight between Canelo Alvarez and Terrence.

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Speaker 9: Bud Crawford absolutely thrilled that they call my number. Very

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Speaker 9: said to work with Max Kellerman, who is ubiquitous regarded

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Speaker 9: I think as the best boxing analyst out there. Third

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Speaker 9: member of the broadcast team will be announced at a

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Speaker 9: later date, but very exciting. You know, the last time

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Speaker 9: I called a boxing match was the WBC Heavyweight champions

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Speaker 9: Chiefship in two thousand ten between Bittlely Clitchko and Shannon

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Speaker 9: the Cannon Briggs. So fifteen years between boxing assignments, but

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Speaker 9: I got the entire month of August and September to

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Speaker 9: dive into the preparation. And I'm very excited, and I

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Speaker 9: understand sort of the responsibility of what I'm being charged with,

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Speaker 9: the fight of the century in many respects.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I am pumped for you. I know you're going

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Speaker 2: to smash it out of the park.

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Speaker 11: These are two of the best best boxers in the

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Speaker 11: game right now and I'll be watching closely.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 14: Congratulations, Thank you buddy.

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Speaker 9: All Right, We'll see you all September thirteenth on Netflix

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Speaker 9: for Canelo Alvarez and Terrence Budd Crawford.

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Speaker 14: We are off next week.

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Speaker 9: We might do a short pick segment because we do

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Speaker 9: have Talis and to Shada taken on Derek Lewis in Nashville,

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Speaker 9: Tennessee on July twelfth, so we might do some quick

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Speaker 9: predictions with Ken Flow and Big Gun Wednesday or Thursday Live. Otherwise,

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Speaker 9: enjoy your Fourth of July, enjoy your Monday. Thanks to

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Speaker 9: our producer Cody Merril. Thanks to the great Ray Longo

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Speaker 9: for Kemp Flam John Anak. We will talk to you

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Speaker 9: in short order. Until then, you'll there

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Speaker 10: Where they