1 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Thank you all for joining us for a very special 2 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: episode of sop Prep Radio. Three years ago, Brandon Webb 3 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: and myself Ian Scotto, we had the privilege of touring 4 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: the nine eleven Memorial Museum with Tim Brown, who you're 5 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: going to hear from who was there on nine eleven 6 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: Firefighter experienced the tragedy lost guys, and you'll hear him 7 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: go in depth about what this day means to him. Uh. 8 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: As I'm editing the show again and putting all of 9 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: this in. Man, it really was a powerful experience, and 10 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: I think this is a powerful episode. So if you 11 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: never got a chance to hear what was originally episode 12 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: one sixty two, what better time than now. As we 13 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: reflect on what happened on this day, which ironically was 14 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: also on a Tuesday, seventeen years ago, you'll hear me 15 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: talk about what I experienced Brandon. Uh, guys that I've 16 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: lost and uh in the War on Terror, guys that 17 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: Brandon lost. So interesting perspective from everybody, And and no 18 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: matter what you experienced on that day, if you're someone 19 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: who fought in the War on Terror, or if you 20 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: lost guys in the tower on any of those planes, Um, 21 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: this is in dedication and memorial to them. So we 22 00:01:47,800 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it. Let's get into it softwarep dot 23 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: com on time, on target. Brandon Webb actually invited me 24 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: out with him, uh, to the nine eleven Memorial Museum. 25 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: He had a friend named Tim Brown who actually survived 26 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: nine eleven, retired New York City firefighter. And we're on 27 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: our way there, and Tim, thank you so much for 28 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: doing this for Brandon and letting me tag along. Um, 29 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: if you want to get in some background of your store, 30 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: I know it's you know, very intriguing. And nine eleven 31 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: is an event that affected all of us. Of course. Yeah. 32 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, I was in the Mayor's 33 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: Office of Emergency Management working for Mayor Giuliani. Soar office 34 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: was actually seven World Trade Center, So I was there 35 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: when the first plane slammed into the North Tower. Uh. 36 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: So you know, I did my thing, my assignment. I 37 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: was in the lobby of Tower one. I saw my 38 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: best friend, Terry Hatton, who was a captain Rescue one 39 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: and and he gave me a big hug and asked 40 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: me on the cheek and said, I love your brother. 41 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: I may never see again. And he and his men 42 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: went in a stairwell like so many other fireman three 43 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: New York City fireman and them were my friends who 44 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: were murdered by radical Islamists that day. UH. Thirty seven 45 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: Port Authority police officers heroes UH and twenty three New 46 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: York City police officers all stepped forward, as everyone in 47 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: the military does, volunteered and said, I will lay down 48 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: my life for people I don't know from my neighbor. 49 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: One of the greatest things that we could do. So 50 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: when I talked to kids, and when I talked to 51 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, colleges and things, I say that, uh, your fireman, 52 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: police officers and military become heroes the day they raise 53 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: their hand and say I will give my life for 54 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: that of another. And so they were heroes long before 55 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: September eleven, just as our our military heroes, UH were 56 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: that the day that they joined the military and said 57 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: I will do it. Yeah. I was gonna say, we'll 58 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: get into it more with Brandon, I'm sure. But nine 59 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: o eleven is just an event that impacted every single 60 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: thing and where we went from there in our foreign policy. Um, 61 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: what this country has defended, so you know, even just 62 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: everyday life for civilians. I can remember a time when 63 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: you could walk into an arena baseball game and no 64 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: one padded you down. And I'm sure kids who grew 65 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: up in that post nine eleven world, who are probably 66 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: five or ten years younger than me, don't even remember that. 67 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: And it's just it's changed every aspect of our lives. Yeah, 68 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a different world now. And you know, 69 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: one of my greatest worries is that we are not 70 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: saying what it is. You know, we're trying to bury 71 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: the truth of who did it to us. We're trying 72 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: to bury the truth that we are at war. Um. 73 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: If everybody thinks back, who was around that day when 74 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: that when the second plane hit the South Tower, everybody 75 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: in this country, in fact around the world had the 76 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: same thought. America is at war and we weren't denial 77 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: of that, and that's put puts us in great danger, 78 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: especially here in New York City. Um, we've been very lucky. Uh, 79 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: but a lot of that has been because of the 80 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: work of the New York City Police Department, in our 81 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: intelligence community, uh and identifying and saying what it is. 82 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: And we are at war with radical Islam, and you know, 83 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: we've got to get the good folks on our side. 84 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: Dr Zudi Jassa and his group out of Phoenix h 85 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: He's a U. S. Navy captain who is a Muslim, 86 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: and he's an American patriot. He's a secular Muslim. He 87 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: believes that we can live side by side in different 88 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: religions and co exist, truly co exist. Yeah, And I 89 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: think we always talk about that at the site. I 90 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: mean Jack Murphy, who's an Army Ranger, editor in chief 91 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: of the website, and I'm sure Brandon as well, But 92 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: I just know from Jack's experience has served with Muslims 93 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: who will say have done more to fight radical radical 94 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: Islam more than most of the people in this country. 95 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: Of course, myself included, who hasn't served. I totally agree 96 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: with that. You know, the people who are the victims 97 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: most frequently as radical Islam is Muslims all over the world. 98 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: And you know, I just read an article that Muslims 99 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: are fleeing European countries to come to this, to the 100 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: United States because this is the last place on earth 101 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: they feel safe. And I've talked with many of them 102 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: who who are my friends, who are women who don't 103 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: want to live under Sharia law. They want to live 104 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: in freedom and equality. Uh, and they come here and 105 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: they're scared that this is the last place on Earth 106 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: where they can have freedom, the last country in the 107 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: world where they can have freedom. I've asked one last 108 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: question before we get to the museum that I was 109 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: just wondering as a firefighter, the firefighters, as you know 110 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: you being a firefighter, the firefighters have always been split 111 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: on basically how Juliani acted during nine eleven. If you 112 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: know the idea that they're their communications were not up 113 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: to par with where they should have been, and do 114 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: you have a feeling on on that whole issue. I 115 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: am intimately familiar with the radio issue. It was not 116 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: a Rudy Giuliani problem. In fact, today it's a technology problem. 117 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: Today we still have the same problem fourteen years later. 118 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: You cannot have there's no radio system in the world 119 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: where you can have a hundred firemen trying to talk 120 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: at the same time. You just can't do it. Um. 121 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: The technology is not there to figure out how to 122 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: do it. UM. And the the unions, the the National Union, 123 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: the International Association of Firefighters is a very left leaning 124 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: uh uh union, and they had a political agenda to 125 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: attack Rudy Giuliani. If you ask fireman who worked under Giuliani, Uh, 126 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: they will say, what a great job he did cleaning 127 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: up this city, What a great job he did supporting 128 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: the fire department. Uh. And and that's it. I mean 129 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: he was He's an American hero. Not to get political there, 130 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: but I just figured it was something to ask because 131 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: it has been a controversial topic for people when they 132 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: look at firefighters in nine eleven. But we're on our 133 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: way to the museum, so I'm or we'll get some 134 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: great audio there. Uh. You wanted to bring one line, Yeah, 135 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: I just want to talk about Brandon and I. Brandon 136 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: and I were introduced by a good friend, mutual friend, 137 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: Maria Emma um who's in the Entrepreneur Organization. With Brandon 138 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,679 Speaker 1: and we have started to form this group of awesome 139 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: people here in New York. One of my you know, 140 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: my heroes, besides the guys who gave their lives, are 141 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: the guys that went overseas, the U. S. Military. Uh, 142 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: of course, especially the Navy Seals and the Special Operators. UM. 143 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: So I am honored to be in this car taking 144 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: American heroes to the museum. I hope that with Brandon, 145 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: we can do that more. And I invite the military 146 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,239 Speaker 1: community to come to the museum. It is incredibly powerful 147 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: and well done, and please come. Please look up Brandon 148 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: or me and we'll let them know you're coming. Uh in, 149 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: Come see the great job they did. You see that's 150 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: the part of the original tower. It's it's shaped like 151 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: a trident. And we have a one of those steel 152 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: towers at the Depth Group compound in Virginia Peach. Do 153 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: you know what was in the entrance like that or 154 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: you just kind of I just thought, right now, very cool. 155 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: I've seen it about the Deft compound. All right. So 156 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm walking through the museum with Brandon. They're playing the 157 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: newscast basically the day that that plane hit, and I 158 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: was wondering, actually, where where were you when the planes 159 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: hit the towers. I just come back from a workout 160 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: in the morning and I walked in to my house 161 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: and I remember in the second plane hit the tower 162 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: and I was in I was at the Seal Team 163 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: three in Corona of California, and so the but the 164 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: situation I was in was that my silver Tune was 165 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: then nextpatun to rotate overseas. So I knew as soon 166 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: as that plane hit that I was going to be 167 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: on a plane somewhere and it was gonna happen within 168 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: a few days, if not hours. And I looked at 169 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: the time, I was I was married. Uh, And I 170 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: looked over and my wife at the time was eight 171 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: and a half months pregnant. So I knew I was 172 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: gonna miss the birth of my son. Didn't know whether 173 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: I was going to come back. So, you know, the 174 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: gravity of it, and walking to this museum, I still 175 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: get chills that run down my my spine. So it's 176 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: I can't It's unbelievable the amount of work that went 177 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: into this and and how it I think affects most 178 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: of everybody. The only other museum I've been to that 179 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: even comes close, as Warsaw Uprising in Poland is an 180 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: incredible museum. Might encourage anyone to go to go visit 181 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: that as well, But but this is, this is unbelievable. 182 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: Like I can't believe I haven't I haven't been here sooner. Yeah, 183 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: I woul gonna say, obviously we all felt felt anger 184 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: and said it, and you felt that in a gravitated scale, 185 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: But was it was part of you thinking you know, 186 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: this is what I joined the Seals for, and I'm 187 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: gonna go do the duty that that I signed up 188 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: to do. Without a doubt there was I think that 189 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: really polarized the free world to go, you know what, 190 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: this is unacceptable, um in this in the same way 191 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: I think the world is coming together today based on 192 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: the tax Isis you know, the Japanese journalists, everyone's coming together, 193 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: banding together, going this is unacceptable and we're gonna go 194 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: and take it to these bastards. And that was the 195 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: sentiment for sure. I was there was a hundred percent 196 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: clear that I was gonna go overseas and and get 197 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: some payback and and and help out stomp out the 198 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: radical terror camps that were in Afghanistan and going full 199 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: well that I could never come back. And I was 200 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: like I would, I would have got on the next 201 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: plane overseas, like I was just that committed to giving 202 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: my life to this country and in the support of freedom. 203 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: And that's why I get so I get so piste 204 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: off when I look at, you know, the laws that 205 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: that our own government passed around the Patriot Act that 206 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: really degrade our civil liberties in this country, because that's 207 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: what America is about freedom. It's not about being scared 208 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: and sacrificing our freedoms for laws that are very restrictive 209 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: and invade our privacy like that. That shouldn't be the 210 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: direction we we went. And unfortunately a lot of politicians 211 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: and both Presidents Obama and Bush made laws that really 212 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: people right in the open. They disguise them under very 213 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: patriotic names, and in reality, very unpatriotic legislation that was passed. 214 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: And coming back from war and in Afghanistan and Iraq 215 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: and getting out of military and seeing it from a 216 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: different lens, it really infuriates me. And that's why, you know, 217 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: Jack Murphy, the other writers on the site, myself, like, 218 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: we care so much about this country, and and we 219 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: we write the things we do because we care. And 220 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: so that's what I think makes software dot com such 221 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: an amazing site is the perspective that we we have 222 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: and that we're not afraid to. We don't need our 223 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: fucking White House Press pass, we don't need the fucking 224 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: Public Affairs Officer to get access. Like we're getting real 225 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: stories from real perspective, from from real American heroes. Yeah. 226 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: The first artifact we're looking at here is the steel 227 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: from the north face of the North tower, which was 228 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: Tower one, that was the tower that was hit first. 229 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: UM and the National Institute of Standards and Technology identified 230 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: this steel as the first impact steel UH that the 231 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: first plane hit. So you can see the way it's 232 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: bent around here, and you can see that the it 233 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: did some damage to the steel, but it actually ripped 234 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: the plane upart more than the steel. So we're sitting 235 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: at the the wall with two thousand and seventies six 236 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: tiles blue tiles, and it's an art installation that is 237 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: supposed to represent the opinion of each person who was 238 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: murdered that day, UH, their opinion of what the sky 239 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: look like. So every different every shade of blue here 240 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: is different. You have them the quote here, no day 241 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: shall erase you from the memory of time by Virgil. 242 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: And behind this wall is the remains of the unidentified 243 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: victims that have not been identified yet through DNA. So 244 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: it's an area that's off limits to the public. It 245 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: is only for the families. It's run by the New 246 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: York City Medical Examiner's Office, so the families who never 247 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: got an identified piece of their loved one back can 248 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: come here and reflect. That number is about out of 249 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: the nearly three thousand who are murdered, so it's a 250 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: lot of families who come here to visit their loved one. 251 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: To the left, here you'll see we're underneath the actual waterfall, 252 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: which is the footprint of the North Tower. Into our 253 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: right is the same thing, the footprint of the South Tower, 254 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: so we're kind of sitting in between the two actual 255 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: footprints of the twin towers. UH. Under the South Tower 256 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: is in the room in Memorium, which is dedicated to 257 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: each victim. There's a photograph of each victim and stories 258 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: in media about each victim. Next to that is a 259 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: film called Rebirth at Ground Zero, which is a film 260 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: that I participated in. It's a twelve minute short film 261 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: about the physical rebirth of Ground Zero through time lapse 262 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: photography and then our audio over it, so some some 263 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: quotes and things that we talked about over the nine 264 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: year project of Project Rebirth. Then back over to the left, 265 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: Underneath the North Tower is the historical exhibit, which is 266 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: loaded with artifacts. It could take you up to four 267 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: hours to get through it if you stop and look 268 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: at everything in there. It's massive. Also over there is 269 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: the last column UH, the fire truck ladder three, which 270 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: might very good friend best friend Patty Brown was the 271 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: captain of UH and UM and other artifacts and stuff. 272 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: So if you're gonna come here, UH, you could run 273 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: through in two hours, but if you take your time 274 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: going through it's probably most people take about three hours 275 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: to get through it, and people that are more particular 276 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: and might take four hours. But by then it's you know, 277 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: you need to come back into the time. So what's 278 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: the must see thing here? Like if you were going 279 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: to come and you had your family and you only 280 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: had a couple of hours, like, what would you what 281 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: are like the top three things that you would write? 282 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: I would recommend the room in memorium for sure. Everybody 283 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: should go there and pay their respects to Um the 284 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: victims of Islamic terrorism, and then probably going through the 285 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: historical exhibit because it's there's just so much important stuff 286 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: in there. The film Rebirth of Ground Zero is developing 287 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: a reputation as kind of the uplifting exhibit here because 288 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: it shows the actual rebirth and how America comes back 289 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: in the towers, towers and the buildings are rebuilt and 290 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: our lives find new happiness and love and joy again. 291 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: So um, you know, as hard as it was for us, 292 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: we did find new happiness in our lives sharing what 293 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: we had with other people. That was very important to him. 294 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: He's a big Mats fan. He had season tickets to 295 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: the Mats. He would come next to ticket and he 296 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: loved nothing more than to look for a young child 297 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: they were looking for a ticket and to him the 298 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: ticket his seat, saying he and this is this is 299 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: you know, and they would be planning them would be 300 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: like his real to his real, drawing the scene the 301 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: pain and said there see how that the seats were, 302 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: and enjoy the game. That even enjoy the game with them, 303 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, but not to all the s body, you know, 304 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: whatever whatever they wanted. Of course, every day City Froner 305 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: knew who Patrick brought. He was kind of he was 306 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: just a famous guy in City Fire department. He was 307 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: the most unselfish, humble hero but I've ever met. He 308 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: would leave most of his medals his drawer because he 309 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: didn't want to him to make any other fireman feel that. 310 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: He taught me to respect for the uniform, what what 311 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: it means to be city fire me and do what 312 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: we do and put your hands in your pocket letting 313 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: it be enough to know that you did the work 314 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: that we did and we didn't talk about. He helped 315 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: me improve my humility. Patty Brown died living the life 316 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: the way his life, being the leader, being the bravest 317 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: of the brave, the most heroical, the heroes. And alright, 318 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: so we're standing in front of the fire truck of 319 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: a man that you know very well, and if you 320 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: want to get into it for our listeners and tell 321 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: us about him. I recorded some of the audio in there, 322 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: but yeah, Patty Brown was one of my two best friends. 323 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: He was a captain the Ladder three in Manhattan and 324 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: a legend in the New York City Fire Department. He 325 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: was one of the most highest, one of the highest 326 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: decorated fireman ever in the New York City Fire Department. 327 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: He was so he took his men in. They were 328 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: climbing up the stairs. They were saving people's lives. The 329 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: less audio recording we have of Patty Brown is uh, 330 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: he dialed the fire department dispatcher on a hardline and 331 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: he was describing the conditions and in the lives that 332 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: they were saving. His last last words were, this is 333 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: three truck and we're still headed up and that was 334 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: so true and representative of all the fireman uh that day. Um, 335 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: we found Patty Brown's backup helmet in the trunk of 336 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: his car at the firehouse, and that helmet is now 337 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: donated back to the museum and is on display. We're 338 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: looking at it right now, and it's in front of 339 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: the is Ladder three, which was very badly damaged. Um. Ironically, 340 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: this ladder truck and our other best friend, Terry Hatton's 341 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: rescue truck were parked right next to him, next to 342 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: each other, and they were crushed kind of together. It 343 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: was just very representative of of what happened that day. 344 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm watching the video and just wondering what 345 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: it's like. Yeah, this is for the surviving fireman. I mean, 346 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: these guys that just us there are some of their 347 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: closest friends, but they're still having like work and deal 348 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: with all of them. Were I mean, we're in we're 349 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: in shock. Really, I mean we have we know we 350 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: have a job to do. You know, when this video 351 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: is shot, we still think there's a chance that we 352 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: would find someone alive, which turned out not to be true. Um, 353 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: there were very very few guys found alive in the rubble. Um. 354 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: But you know, we're used to the New York City fireman, 355 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: New York City Police officers are used to being the 356 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 1: ones who can solve any problem and fix any situation. 357 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: And on September eleven, two and one, we were unable 358 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: to do that. Um. We were fish out of water. 359 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: And I remember being under the rubble of the Marriott 360 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: Hotel thinking, where where is our military? We need them 361 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: because it was over our heads. We needed the fighter 362 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: jets overhead, and we needed are badasses to come and 363 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: protect us because we were under attack and we couldn't 364 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: fight back. We couldn't defend ourselves. Um. The the image 365 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: that always reminds me, I think is the image that 366 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: is most representative of how I feel, is a pencil 367 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: drawing done by a Pennsylvania school teacher of the New 368 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: York City fireman coming out of the rubble of the 369 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: World Trade Center with an American flag, handing it to 370 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: a US military person, and the military person says, I'll 371 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: take it from here. And that's really what happened that day, 372 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: and our military are special operators, took it to the 373 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: enemy on on our behalf and in the memory of 374 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: my friends. And then that's where you came. We had 375 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: I don't know where they showed up, but we had 376 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: within day, like and I lets say, like the next day, 377 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: we had a box full of New York City Fire 378 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: patches and like we tip those overseas and slapped them 379 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 1: on our uniforms, like before we go on the night raids, 380 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, to stomp these terrorists. But it was it 381 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: was we had like I had never met anybody in 382 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: the New York City Fire Department but felt that close connection. 383 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: And I mean we wore those patches of pride, and 384 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: that was good stuff. I know. I saw several photographs 385 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: of missiles bombs that we're gonna be dropped, and they 386 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: would write names of our guys on the bombs and 387 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: say this one's for Captain Terry Hatten, or this one's 388 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: for Sergio Illinuevah, and they would take photographs of the 389 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: bombs before they dropped him. It's incredible. Hey, Brandon, I'm 390 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: also wondering if you kind of asked him about what 391 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: was it like watching this knowing that your friends possibly it. 392 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's this is this similar to something you 393 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: might have experienced when there's an I D attack, when 394 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: you guys are under fire. I mean I I was 395 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 1: really the going over to Afghanistan with Seal Team three 396 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: Echo patuone like. It just still amazes me. That was 397 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: probably three or four situations where the whole platoon shouldn't 398 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: have come back from Afghanistan. I we were out in 399 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: Kandahar a doing live fire training, siting in our weapons, 400 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: and the training area was one of the original tar 401 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: neck farms that was called It was in the original 402 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: video that you saw I saw him in laden the 403 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: alcaded camp with the guys doing the monkey bars. It 404 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: was that we were at that area and they knew 405 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: we were going out there. We've been out there a 406 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: few times and and the Taliban were watching us and 407 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: they had mined the area. And we we went out 408 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: to site in weapons one day outside of the base 409 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: at Kanahar and I remember parking the humby getting out, 410 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: looking at the rear driver's side tire and seeing detonation 411 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: cords sticking out of the tire and we had I 412 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: had parked on an anti tank mine tied into three 413 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: anti personnel lines. Fast forward, you know, a couple of 414 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: weeks later, we're in Bogram at Robert's what's now known 415 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: as Robert's Ridge. You know, Neal Roberts fell out of 416 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: a chopper and a qr REF Quick Reaction Force element 417 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: and I got activated. I was a part of that 418 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: element with the Danish Special Ops guys, and we got 419 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: on Razor one and we're sitting on the ramp and 420 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: bogram and then friends of Marty Scobelin and Jack Jack 421 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: Murphy they came out. The Rangers were also part of 422 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: the qr REF. They said, hey, guys, get off. You know, 423 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: we're we're gonna we're the QRF for these guys. We're 424 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: gonna go up. So we got off that helicopter. Fifteen 425 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: minutes later, the helicopter shot down. How half of the 426 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: half of the crew got gunned down by enemy fire 427 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: or you know, And it was tragic and just and 428 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: I had to listen to that because we got four 429 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: deployed and we're fifteen minutes away by helicopter and listening 430 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: to the radio calls, and those guys are the ranger. 431 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: Captain would come with the radio and say, look, I 432 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: got a guy's bleeding out. The sun's going down. He's 433 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: gonna die unless we get him out of here. And 434 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: I remember at the time there. The officer that was 435 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 1: in charge of the Special Operations Tactical Operations Center was 436 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: a did not have a special operations background. He was 437 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: an Air Force pilot and he was frozen in fear. 438 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: And I could hear it. He didn't want to let 439 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: us go in and get these guys. And it was 440 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: like heartbreaking for us to be there, knowing that we're 441 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes away wanting to help, like would give our 442 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: own lives to go in there and get these guys out. 443 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: And that this this son of a bit back at 444 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: the talk was too much of a coward to like 445 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: make a call. He was frozen in fear, and um, 446 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: you know that that's something I'll remember to this day. 447 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: But those those situations, you know, thinking after coming home 448 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: from Afghanistan and going wow, like that's I can't even 449 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: believe I'm out alive, you know, as well as as 450 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: the rest of the guys. And when you look at 451 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, my friends who have who are no longer here, 452 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: and I the whole thing was inspiration behind among heroes. 453 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: My new next book is these guys, what what would 454 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: they have gone on to do or be? For for instance, 455 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: a guy that survived that Afghanistan deployment with me is 456 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: the second Navy Seal Astronaut Chris Cassidy, mission commander. So 457 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: you look at like the this guy survived, So what 458 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: are all these other guys that aren't here? What could 459 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: have they went on to do? And and to rob 460 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: that from them and their family and he and the 461 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: humanity is crazy, you know, it's crazy to think about. Alright. 462 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: So looking at the fire truck. UM, at the back 463 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: of the fire truck, there's actually something handwritten and says Jeff, 464 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: we will never forget you. So I wanted to ask 465 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: him about who Jeff was. Jeff Giordano was the senior man, 466 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: one of the senior men in the latter three. He 467 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: was the what we call the chauffeur driving ladder three. UM. 468 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: So he would sit in the front seat and then 469 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: Patty Captain Patty Brown would sit in the shotgun seat. 470 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: And and Jeff was someone that everyone loved. Jeff Giordano, Uh, 471 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: he was a really special guy. He volunteered with the 472 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: Burn Center. He you know, we did a lot of 473 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: work with firemen who were burned, kids who were burned. UM. 474 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: He was just one of those guys that his like 475 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: Patty Browner myself, his whole life was the fire Department, 476 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 1: and he just happened to, you know, take special notice 477 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: of the burn Burn Center and and so he was 478 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: just like another legendary guy. So you had the legend 479 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: legendary guy Jeff Jargonald driving in the legendary Captain Patty 480 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: brown Um, it was a big hit for us to 481 00:28:35,520 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: these guys. So wrapping up here from the soft Wrep 482 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: Office in New York City, thanks again to Tim for 483 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: giving us the spread tour of the Moral Exhibit. Brandon, 484 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: if you want to give us some final thoughts on 485 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: everything you saw in your reaction to it, and by 486 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: the way, I think it's so cool for the audience 487 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: to see someone who was there in the action and 488 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: then you someone who reacted to it. Yeah. I mean, 489 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: it's having that connection to and even talking to one 490 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: of the one of the ladies that it's responsible doing 491 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: all the fact checking for the museum and just telling 492 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: her stuff that wow, I found this poster propaganda poster 493 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and having her react and say, wow, we 494 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: want to we want that, like we want to curate 495 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: that which we couldn't record. By the way, there are 496 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: certain things that we were not we were off limits 497 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: to record. Yeah, but it you know, it's such a 498 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: a sobering thing. And I remember walking around the corner 499 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: where they had the model of the trade center and 500 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: you see the posters up there of the all the 501 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: movies and and entertainment and Man on Wire. And what 502 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: also immediately thought of it was was that Michael Moore 503 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: bullshit that over the movie American Sniper. Because walking walking 504 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: out of the around that corner and feeling so like 505 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: somber and just heavy and reflecting on the whole experience, 506 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: that's how I felt at the end of the movie 507 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: American Sniper. And so that's why I really, you know, 508 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: I've kind of changed my opinion looking at people react 509 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: to the movie that that Eastwood made, and it does 510 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: give you that sobering experience. I mean, here I am 511 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: in that that area where we're listening to the stories 512 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: and one story about somebody union as well. I had 513 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: no connection with these people, but listening to the stories, 514 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: seeing the pictures, you know, I mean, I was like 515 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: tearing up in that one area. And then I think 516 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: that's that's the way that people are feeling about that 517 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: that movie. And I just mentioned it only because, um, 518 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm tired of talking about it, but but 519 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: it did hit me with seeing all the entertainment posters 520 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: and here's this guy, Michael Moore who has never, never, 521 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: has he taken the time to look at things objectively 522 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: from the other side. He's just looking through one lens 523 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: and to say those harsh comments and not like take 524 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: one moment to learn about who Chris Kyle is and 525 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: in what it's like to go to the Mint to 526 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: see the movie, and what it's like to go to war, 527 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: and what it's like to serve, to serve period, whether 528 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: you're a firefighter running up the stairs as people are 529 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: coming down, and even the people at the museum are 530 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: who were quoted in that one exhibit that was off 531 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: limits there on the audio they said, Yeah, I'm going downstairs, 532 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: relieved to get out of this building looking at these firemen, 533 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: knowing that most of them are are running up to 534 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: their to their deaths and they're they're going to die. 535 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: And you know, for a guy like Michael Morris that 536 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: that And I'm not saying everyone has to serve, but 537 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: not to take the time to really like get into 538 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,479 Speaker 1: that other side of things. Just shows you how naive 539 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: and what a what what lack of character he has 540 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: um to say those things, and and it just shows, 541 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's like we are we are defined by 542 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: our actions. And to see the way that he's behaved 543 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: in the media, initially trying to Gloman and draft by 544 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: saying mean statements about the movie and about my friend Chris, 545 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: and then trying to immediately backpedal when he figured out 546 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: his own fan base started attacking him because because they're saying, no, 547 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: this is a movie about this isn't a war movie, 548 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: This isn't this is a movie like about Chris, And 549 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, his sacrifice and that's what that museum reminds 550 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: me of. It's like, that's the sacrifice that everybody made 551 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: that day, um and the people that you know, the 552 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: three thousand people that lost their lives. So that was 553 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: a heavy, heavy tour, and I mean, I'm blown away 554 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: that that's been there and I haven't really the same here. 555 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I think it's like this this massive 556 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: thing that's just hiding in Manhattan, and I'm I'm excited 557 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: to do the show and put the pictures up because 558 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna draw dry people there even people 559 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: from my own community that I know will be motivated 560 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: to see that stuff. Now it's a mussy in New 561 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: York City. For me, like anyone that comes to New York, 562 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: that's going to be the number one thing and I'll 563 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: recommend seeing is you have to go to that museum. 564 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: And we we rushed through. Yeah we were like two 565 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: three hours. You could have been there hours and you're 566 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: gonna spend days getting through that stuff. But but seeing 567 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: that and it's a beautiful place. Like the amount of 568 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 1: architecture they were able to bring over from that site 569 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: and put it into a museum, it's incredible. Yeah, that 570 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: the design and thoughtfulness that went into the creation of 571 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: that museum is is unbelievable. It's it's the most significant 572 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: piece of art and history I've ever seen in my life. 573 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: Like that's that's and obviously you know we have I 574 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: think the world has a real connection to nine eleven, 575 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: anybody that was alive that day. So anyway, Yeah, an 576 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: incredible tour and the fact that we're connected to the 577 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: museum now I'm sharing my friends and some some of 578 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: my personal artifacts from Afghanistan with the museum is pretty cool. Yeah, 579 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: And it was an honor to be there. Um. You 580 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: know what. Actually, one other thing I wanted to mention 581 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: a we're wrapping up. You did turn to me at 582 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: one point in the museum and you were like, I 583 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: can't believe that there's people who believe that this is 584 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: a conspiracy. Um. And before we got in the museum, 585 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed if there was a 586 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: guy shouting behind us. It was like, it's all a 587 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: wide and hear all that. Um. You know, even in 588 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: the heart of New York City, you see those billboards 589 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: about Building seven was you know, taken down my controlled demolition, 590 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: and it really like makes you to think about these people. 591 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 1: And it's not like I haven't um that I don't 592 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: know about you and you can get into it. It's 593 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: not like I haven't examined all the stuff out there. 594 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I've watched all the conspiracy videos and they're 595 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: all they're all taken down by a lot of these 596 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: architects who who shoot down all these conspiracies and debunk them. Yeah, 597 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: you know it's and I'll be directed to the point 598 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: I was sharing my opinion about Jesse Ventura and the 599 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 1: whole truth or bullshit. It's just going to that museum. 600 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: How could you like, It's just there's just absolutely, in 601 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: no way that that nine eleven was a conspiracy. It's 602 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: just I mean, it's just in the realm of madness 603 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: too for somebody to think that, um, you know, and 604 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: is there like legitimate things that happened in government to 605 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: take away our civil liberties? Yeah? Absolutely, And I talked 606 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: about that. That was another emotion that kind of came 607 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,959 Speaker 1: to the surface for me, is okay, well, like we've 608 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: really lost the war when we think about we let 609 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: these terrorists affect our freedom, like significantly reduced our privacy 610 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,360 Speaker 1: and our civil liberties, all in the name under a 611 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: very nice name the Patriot Act and these other laws. 612 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: Like I didn't go sign up and fight for my 613 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: country to defend freedom. And then see these politicians in Washington, 614 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: d C in it, you know, in bureaucrats attempt to 615 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,959 Speaker 1: kind of like grab onto a little bit more power 616 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 1: are that infuriates me and so um, you know, that 617 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: was another emotion that kind of came to the surface. 618 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: But as well as thinking, wow, I can't believe people 619 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: actually are drinking the kool aid and there's no way 620 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: they probably I would be willing to bet have seen 621 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: that museum or else they would be eating or eating 622 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: their words. They might, but I just feel like the 623 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists, they hold onto conspiracy theory no matter what. 624 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: That's that's who they are. They want to believe nothing 625 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: could possibly be as it seems, nothing can possibly be 626 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: the official story, and they won't look at things objectively. 627 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: And that's that's why Michael Moore is in the category 628 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,359 Speaker 1: of an extremist. And that's somebody that that will never 629 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: change their mind and they can't get off the subject. 630 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: I think that's the quote for that Churchill have made 631 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 1: about an extremist. They just won't change, will never change 632 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: his mind, and no matter how convincing, you know, the argument, 633 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 1: won't listen to anything and can't change the damn subject. 634 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: You know what else I was thinking about wrapping this 635 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: up is that you know, that is such a perfect 636 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: memorial to everything that went down. It's obviously tragic they 637 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: even have tissues outside some of the exhibits because a 638 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: lot of people will not be leaving there with a 639 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: dry eye. Um. But it made me think of just 640 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago when right around that area 641 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 1: there was the controversy about building that Islamic you know center, 642 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: and I remember just the emotions that invoked in people, 643 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 1: and I think it just angered people that right around 644 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: that area that was was going to be built there, 645 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,240 Speaker 1: and you know some are calling it a victory mosque. 646 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: And it goes back to you know, hearing Tim's reactions saying, 647 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: you know, this was radical Islam. We have to call 648 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,879 Speaker 1: it what it is. And the fact that people would 649 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: think that that would be an appropriate thing to build 650 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: in that vicinity, I get why people were piste off. Yeah, 651 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: it was one question I wanted to ask because I 652 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm just not sure of the events 653 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: surrounding that moss like it it seems like, um, you know, 654 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: as you after talking to Tim and him talking about 655 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: this captain front Army, captain front of his who's who's 656 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: a Muslim and about you know, living in harmony with 657 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: the different religions and beliefs, which which is very you know, 658 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: aligned with with what I believe as well, and as 659 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: well we talked about it all the time, and so 660 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: I don't understand like that there to me there and 661 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: I want to dig into a little bit more, Tim, 662 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: There's got to be there was must have been in 663 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: some antagonism around the people that wanted to do the 664 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: mosque at ground zero. I don't think it was a 665 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, like let's all hold hands and get along. 666 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: It seems to me like it was a very antagonistic play. 667 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: And that's what piste people off about the mosque, Like 668 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: that's my read on it up till now. And the 669 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: guy who was behind it, because I've learned a little 670 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: bit more about him, was you know, he was a 671 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: slum lord. That was a history. Yeah, And I think 672 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 1: that's the problem with it if it hadn't been done, 673 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: And it's a shame because I think had it been 674 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: done in in earnest and and like true earnest fashion, 675 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: I think people would have been open to it. And 676 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: what a great what a great symbol to kind of 677 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: like show that, you know, look where we can all 678 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: live in this world peacefully and and in harmony, regardless 679 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: of your your race, religion, you say. And so it 680 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: was a shame that this slum lord dude, you know, 681 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: funke that up for everybody. I agree. And it was 682 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: actually interesting, I said to you. At one point during 683 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: the museum, Uh, they were showing a speech of George 684 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: Bush's after after the event, and he said very much 685 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: the same type of thing, that that this is not 686 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 1: on an entire religion, that this need, that what we're 687 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: launching is against the radicals. And I think people often 688 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: forget that George Bush made those type of speeches, and 689 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: it all gets pegged on Obama, even though watching it 690 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,240 Speaker 1: was kind of very similar type of speech, very similar 691 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: um ideal of what we believe in America. So yeah, 692 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 1: I agree. Um one lay actually as it was along 693 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: to me that I just thought of, Uh, you know, 694 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't like writing down what I wanted to speak about, 695 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: but I think this is a possibly a good way 696 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: to wrap it. Watching those videos of Al's our Eerie 697 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: and Osama saying that that we're planning this attack, We're 698 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: going to launch this attack and us doing nothing, a 699 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: lot of people probably reflect on what's going on now, 700 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: and ISIS is saying flat out this is the caliphate 701 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: we want. Um with this caliphate, we want to get 702 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: rid of all Westerners. Basically we want to get rid 703 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 1: of America. Uh, you know, we want to destroy Israel. 704 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: And if we're going to take these threats seriously, it's 705 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: very much the exact same type of dialogue that that 706 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: al Kaana was bringing. Yeah, I think that's I mean, 707 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: we're seeing this the emergence of you know that this 708 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: radical Islamic movement stronger than ever, stronger before nine eleven, 709 00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: and it's just sad that we don't have, you know, 710 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: a few world leaders, especially in this country, because we 711 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: should be leading from the front to to really take charge. 712 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: And and look what's happened with these Japanese journalists and 713 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: isis like they're going after anyone who doesn't believe in 714 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: their way of way of life and trying to promote 715 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: change through violence. And it's time for the free world 716 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: to really and it's just it's it's crushing to think 717 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: about we don't have a leader like a Church Hill, 718 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like a a ragon, a 719 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy to go stand up and really like 720 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: craft this strong narrative to bring everyone together to stomp 721 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: this out in a very smart fashion. Because everything we've 722 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: everything we've done up to date is just it's stoked 723 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,399 Speaker 1: the fire of radicalism um into this bonfire and it's 724 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 1: getting out of control. You look at Isis and it's like, okay, 725 00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: let's what do we have to do. And we write 726 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: about in the in the Isis Solution, that e book 727 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: that that me and the guys did um which is 728 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,760 Speaker 1: a great book. I don't encourage anyone to read that book. 729 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: You know, we talk about, you know, really approaching this 730 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: radical Islamic problem and an entirely different fashion, and it 731 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: really is, you know, I think, and a leader is 732 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 1: going to emerge, and we needed in this country bad, 733 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 1: Like there's no greater time where we need some true 734 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 1: leadership in this country to kind of reign in and 735 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: need the rest of the world. Like it's just how Churchill. 736 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: You look at the Churchill and how powerful his speeches 737 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: were to to move people to action, And that's what 738 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: we need. We need to stomp out this this Islamic 739 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: threat once and for all, make it, make it, put 740 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: that social global social pressure on that extreme extremist view, 741 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: and make it out of fashion like it. We need 742 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: to just stomp it out once and for all all 743 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,799 Speaker 1: because what we're doing now is just feeding it. I mean, 744 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: recruiting is that all time high. And then it's you know, 745 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: now me spending so much time in New York City, 746 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,760 Speaker 1: it's a major concern for me, Like I I literally 747 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,959 Speaker 1: chose a home office in an area where I knew 748 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: that I would limit my peak our subway travel because 749 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: it's only a matter of time for these these ship 750 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,760 Speaker 1: bags are gonna hit us again, and so this stuff 751 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: I think about. But it's it's time we end they 752 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: once and for all, because if we're in a new 753 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: new world when you look at people that tin and 754 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: put their head in the sand, would happen in parents, 755 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: that what's happening and then at least around the rest 756 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: of the world. But you know, book a ram and 757 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,359 Speaker 1: in Africa. Um, it's just it's time and moves out 758 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: to do something about this. Yeah. Um. Thanks again to 759 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: everybody for listening. Thanks once again Tim for giving us 760 00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: this tour. We greatly appreciated. We all this was a 761 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: good reflection of all of you on the whole event 762 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: and those who experienced in nine eleven and lost people 763 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: in nine eleven, or even the young listeners who really 764 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: didn't experience at firsthand. Hopefully we did a good job 765 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: of that for you. We'll be back next week. I'm 766 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: sure it's something a little bit more uplifting because we 767 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: try to switch it up. Um, but this was a 768 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: very special podcast for us and we appreciate it. Tonics, 769 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 1: you've been listening to Self Rep Ladier. New episodes up 770 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: every Wednesday and Friday. 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