1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: I have a warning for you that may very well 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: affect you and your loved ones. We'll talk about that 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: in a moment. Is James Comy actually going to prison? 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: Color me skeptical on that. Selena Zito joins us to 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: talk about the Trump assassination attempt, All that and more 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: coming up. I'm right, okay, before we get into my 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: warning to you and how we need to possibly make 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: some adjustments going forward, you and I, I'm talking about 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: us personally. I want to discuss something we've talked about 10 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: at length before. But you kind of have to understand 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: this concept to understand what we're facing right now. Communism 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: in general, it is a revolutionary religion. Remember, it is 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: very much a religion. It's not an ideology. It's not 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: a political party. It's a religion. And it's revolutionary. It 15 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: is revolting against everything that exists, all the standing institutions, 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: standing governments, standing countries. The communists believe it all must 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: be burnt down. So they are fighting a revolution. You 18 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: may be voting or caring about this tax issue or 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: border issue. They're fighting a revolution. That's a difference in 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: the mentality and now it always this exists today in America, 21 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: It existed in Cambodia, in China, and East Germany in 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. Now and always, there are two different 23 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: kinds of communists, two different divisions. If you will, they 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: work together, but there are two different divisions. There are 25 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: elite communists and there are street communists. The elite communists 26 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: generally aren't true believers. They care about power. They're politicians 27 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: and judges and police chiefs and generals. They're the elite 28 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: of society, wealthy people, billionaires, and they want to burn 29 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 1: things down because it helps them make money and gain power. 30 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: That's one division. Then there's the street division elites streets. 31 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 1: The streets are the rabbit animals you see gluing themselves 32 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: to highways, Black Lives Matter protests, lgbtqdmon stuff where they're 33 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: waving their penis in your daughter's face. The street animals, 34 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: they're the ones on the streets, usually mentally ill, usually paid, organized, 35 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: always violent. They are the ones who vandalize, who murder, 36 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: who assault, and they are primed to do this. They 37 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: are standing army, and they are the true believers. So 38 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: how do they work together? Well, the elites find things 39 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: they want destroyed because it benefits them, and so they signal. 40 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: Sometimes they say it out right, sometimes it's vague. They 41 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: signal to the streets, hey, here's a guy, be sure 42 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: nice if somebody hurt him, and the street animals hear 43 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: those marching orders, and they march forward, and they heard him. 44 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: The arrangement is how did they stay out of jail? 45 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: The elites provide legal protection for the streets to do 46 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: the evil. Communism has always worked that way, will always 47 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: work that way, and works that way right now in 48 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: the United States of America. And that brings me to 49 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: what we have going on here. I'm not going to 50 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: insult your intelligence and act like you haven't seen endless 51 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: amounts of street communism in this country. No matter how 52 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: old you are, eight or eighty eight, you've seen these 53 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: animals in the streets doing what they do for a 54 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: long time. They'll burn down a city block, and now 55 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: they'll kill somebody and vandalize and do those things. I 56 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: got that. You got that right now. There is an escalation, 57 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: an escalation that I have not seen in my lifetime. 58 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: I understand this kind of escalation has existed before. I 59 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: don't want to say it hasn't. There used to be 60 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: a big organized group the weather underground. We're talking nail bombs, 61 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: killing cops, that kind of a thing. So it has 62 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: existed before in this country, but not in my lifetime. 63 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: They're getting more organized, they're getting more violent. You may 64 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: have laughed off. I kind of laughed off. Some dirtball 65 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: showed up at an ice facility in Texas and got capped. 66 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: He showed up, decided to get in a shootout with 67 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: some studs and bore TAC. Those are the swap team 68 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: for Border Patrol. Got killed and we were all like, ahaha, 69 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: I got crazy lost a haha, What an idiot. But 70 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: that was how it ended. What was attempted was very serious. 71 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: At the Prairie Land Ice Attention Center in Alvaredo, Texas, 72 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 2: ten to twelve individuals dressed in black military style clothing 73 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: began shooting fireworks and engaging in acts of vandalism at 74 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: the facility, and this was part of an organized attack. Today, 75 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: my office has charged ten individuals with three counts of 76 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: attempted murder of a federal officer. Each of the ten 77 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: are also charged with three counts of discharging a firearm 78 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: in relation to a crime of violence. Each of these 79 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: defendants faces a mandatory prison term of ten years and 80 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: up to life in prison. It was a planned ambush 81 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: with the intent to kill ICE Corrections officers. Make no mistake, 82 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: this was not a so called peaceful protest. It was 83 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 2: indeed an ambush. 84 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: It was an ambush plan, poorly planned, poorly executed. By 85 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: the grace of God. But this was not a few 86 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: freaks on the streets of Portland throwing bricks through a 87 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: window or even shooting someone in the head, with all 88 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: things they've done. This was a terrorist cell that made 89 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: operations and plans to kill federal law enforcement officers. Why 90 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: would they do such a thing? Tom Holman? Tom Holman 91 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: explained exactly why. 92 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: Who were these suspects who were fired, who actually fired 93 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: the shots and were later arrested. 94 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: Who were they? 95 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: Tom? 96 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 4: Look, there are a typical protesters that go from protest 97 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 4: to the criminals. The attack on ICE officers, you've covered 98 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: them many times, is up nearly seven hundred percent. Now 99 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 4: we were talking five hundred percent a couple weeks ago. 100 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 5: So continues. The rhetica against the men and women of 101 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 5: ICE is skyrocketing, especially by members of Congress. We have senators, 102 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 5: we have Congress people that compare Ice to the Nazis, 103 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 5: compare Ice to races, and it just continues. So the 104 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 5: public thinks, well, but member of Congress can't attack Ice, 105 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 5: White can't wait, So the rhetoric has to stop. 106 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: The rhetoric. What is rhetoric from Democrat elites, the elite communists, 107 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: It's orders, it's marching orders. Remember famously, Chuck Schumer got 108 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: up and said Justice Kavanaugh would reap the whirlwind. About 109 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: five minutes afterwards, some psychopathic street communists flew from California 110 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: with the gun ready to execute Reret Kavana outside of 111 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: his house. Democrat rhetoric isn't rhetoric. It's interpreted by the 112 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: street animals in this country as orders, marching orders. There 113 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: there's the bad guy, there's your target, Go kill, destroy, 114 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: And as they get more and more desperate, which they 115 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: are right now, the rhetoric will and is increasing, and 116 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: therefore the violence will and is increasing. 117 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: Rhetoric like this, according to Axius Summer Evening, being told 118 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: they need to be more willing to go out there 119 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: and get shot when fighting. That was a direct quote, 120 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: get shot when fighting back against some of Trump's policies. 121 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: One House Democrat saying quote, and I'll read it to you. 122 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: Our own base is telling us that what we're doing 123 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: is not good enough. There needs to be blood to 124 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: grab the attention of the press and the public. How 125 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: do you respond to that, leader, Jeffries, Are Democrats not 126 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: meeting them? Not doing enough to fight these developments? 127 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 6: What we are in a more is more environment in 128 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 6: terms of the unprecedented assault on the American way of 129 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 6: life and our country than has been launched by Donald 130 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 6: Trump and compliant House Republicans. 131 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 7: This president has unleashed a war on our own people 132 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 7: in our communities. 133 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 8: It is terrorizing our communities. They are not going after criminals, 134 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 8: They're going after anybody that is brown, that looks like me, 135 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 8: that can't pass as what they say as a typical American. 136 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 9: They're going to arrest me for doing my job. I mean, 137 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 9: as mayor, my number one responsibility is to keep Angelino safe. Now, 138 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 9: it never dawned on me that I would have to 139 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 9: worry about keeping Angelino safe from my own government. 140 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: You heard that, You heard a lot of different things 141 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: in their lives, all kinds of distortions, things like that, 142 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: talking points. But the mentally ill street communists sitting at 143 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: home with nothing to live for a drug addiction. A 144 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: bunch of violent turbo freak friends probably came from a 145 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: broken home. That freak sitting at home. Here's democrats and 146 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: media people speak like that, and the freak sitting at 147 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: home interprets that as marching orders to kill. That is 148 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: simply a fact. And the rhetoric is increasing now, the 149 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: violence is increasing. Now to my warning to you, before 150 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: I let you go and we'll move on, we're gonna 151 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: talk James Comey, going to prison, things like that. They 152 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: just organized and planned an ambush on an ice facility 153 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: to kill federal officers. It didn't work out well, because 154 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: getting in a gunfight with people who shoot guns more 155 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: often than you do oftentimes doesn't work out that well. 156 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: But they're not going to stop. They're not going to 157 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: stop being mentally ill. Violent democrats are not going to 158 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: tone down their rhetoric. I don't care how many times 159 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: you or I call for it. This is now going 160 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: to increase from here. Organized planned street violence and the 161 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: animals who commit this kind of violence are going to 162 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: move on from hard targets like Boordtach and they're going 163 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: to come to your church. They're going to come to 164 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: your child's school. That Little League game you're going to 165 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: this Saturday, No big deal. Someone grabbed the beer. They're 166 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: going to come there. They're going to find soft targets 167 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: where they can hurt the people they want to hurt. 168 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: They're not going to accept failure forever. This is not 169 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: to get you to hide or even be afraid or 170 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: stay in your home. 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Okay, Miranda Susie Wiles now inside people, Look, 191 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna know who Susie Wilds is. Obviously people watch 192 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: this show are but a lot of people don't really 193 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: understand who she is, where she came from, what's her role. 194 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: Tell me about her. 195 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 8: Sudie Wilde is the most powerful woman in the world. 196 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 8: That's what Donald Trump calls her, and it's actually true. 197 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 8: She's his chief of staff. She's a very sort of 198 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 8: private and retiring person. Donald Trump also calls her the 199 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 8: Ice Maiden. But I found her to be incredibly warm. 200 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 8: I've met her a few times now. She doesn't like 201 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 8: to do interviews and she thinks that that's not her role. 202 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 8: And so you know, it was a great honor that 203 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 8: she agreed to do podforst one with us. And she's 204 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 8: just a fascinating study because she's worked in republic and politics. 205 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 8: You know most of her career, she took ten years off. 206 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 8: She's a mum to bring up her two kids. She's 207 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 8: also the daughter of Pat Summerle, who, of course is 208 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 8: the legendary sports caster who really kind of, she said, 209 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 8: pioneered the sort of network sports romances that he had 210 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 8: with a couple of including Madden and just the most 211 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 8: superb professional in that ilk. And she's a little like him. 212 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 8: I think he was very instrumental in her life, and 213 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 8: she talks about that. She talks about the fact that 214 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 8: he was an alcoholic at the end of his career, 215 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 8: and that it was a letter that she wrote to 216 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 8: her father when her mother organized an intervention. That letter 217 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 8: that Susie Wilds wrote, which was pretty sharp, pretty truthful, 218 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 8: and pretty hurtful to him, that was what made him 219 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 8: turn the corner. And that's what he had said and 220 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 8: achieved sobriety for the next thirty years. So she's used 221 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 8: in that family to her mother bringing order to chaos, 222 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 8: which you get from addiction in the family, and she 223 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 8: herself has brought order to the chaos that is the 224 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 8: White House that always is, but particularly when you have 225 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 8: a disruptor like Donald Trump. So she really makes the 226 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 8: trains run on time, is what she says. But she 227 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 8: also makes or that she takes care of all the 228 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 8: problems that come up and manages all the staff and 229 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 8: all the cabinet, so that Donald Trump, in her words, 230 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 8: has thinking time and the ability to do his job 231 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 8: without worrying about all the penny ante stuff that he 232 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 8: did in his first term. 233 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: Marina, it sounds to me like she's the one who 234 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: gets the credit for the difference in white houses, because 235 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: the first time, it's just not deniable. It was such 236 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: a disaster. Every day it's a new leak, they're hiring 237 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: a new moron. It was just awful, day after day 238 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: after day of that. And this time there's none of it. 239 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: It's day and night. It's a black and white difference. 240 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: Is that, Susie Wilde? 241 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 8: I think so, although I did put that to her. 242 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 8: She is also someone who has one of the great 243 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 8: virtues of humility, but she does not accept that. What 244 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 8: she says is that Donald Trump is a very different 245 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 8: person from what he was in his first term, and 246 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 8: she attributes that to the fact that, I mean, when 247 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 8: he first came to Washington, he had only been there 248 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 8: a few years. A few times. He was a businessman. 249 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 8: He didn't have the right group of people around him, 250 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 8: and he was sabotaged from the get go with the 251 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 8: Russia hoax, with you know, Barack Obama's henchman, James Komi 252 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 8: and John Brennan and James Clapper. So that was the 253 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 8: difficult situation for him. Then she said he had the 254 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 8: four years in between of being in exile where he 255 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 8: could look back on the mistakes he made in the 256 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 8: first term and also see how badly, you know, the 257 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 8: country would go downhill with a bad president like Joe Biden, 258 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 8: and then he came in with a much better team. 259 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 8: And yes, Susie Whils, she wouldn't really attribute it to herself, 260 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 8: but she is just such an organized person, such a 261 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 8: calm person. She doesn't speak much, but when she speaks, 262 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 8: her words really carry him what people listen to her. 263 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 8: Donald Trump listens to her. He asks for her advice. 264 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 8: She's very sage and she looks She comes across as 265 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 8: a very to me warm and motherly and grandmotherly person. 266 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 8: That is the way she acts to her staff. The 267 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 8: people lots the youngest staff is around her. But when 268 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 8: she needs to be she is mean and Donald Trump 269 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 8: calls her rough and tough because she doesn't like to 270 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 8: be like that, but she is very capable of going 271 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 8: toe to toe with adversaries. You talked to me about 272 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 8: Rohn de Santis, who tried to destroy her career and 273 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 8: make sure she never got a job again. He was 274 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 8: her nemesis and she became his. And so you wouldn't 275 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 8: want to be on the wrong side of Susie Wilds. 276 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 8: But I think it takes a lot to get on 277 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 8: her wrong side. She's a pretty pleasant, normal, balanced human being. 278 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: Let me shift gears here and let's talk about John 279 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: Brennan and James call me. I don't get me wrong 280 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: to hear there is a criminal investigation, but the old 281 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: means cynic in me. Miranda kind of scoffed and has 282 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: blown the whole thing off, And honestly, I'm still blowing 283 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: the whole thing off. I don't think we ever see 284 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: these kinds of people behind bars, But I'm thrilled if 285 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: I turn out to be wrong. Tell me how legitial 286 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: this is. 287 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, I share your cynicism. I think we've all 288 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 8: been up and down with a lot of hope for 289 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 8: a lot of investigations, a lot of accountability that's never 290 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 8: come over the last four years plus. So of course, 291 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 8: you know, we have to be cynical, but in this 292 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 8: particular case, I hold out some hope. John Ratcliffe, the 293 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 8: CIA Director, ordered this review, which was declassified last week, 294 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 8: into that bogus intelligence community assessment that John Brennan drove 295 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 8: on the orders of Barack Obama with Jim Coming and 296 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 8: Jim Clapper, that basically was the beginning of the Russia 297 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 8: Gate hoax, and it was about Trump Russia collusion. After 298 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 8: the two year Muller investigation, it was found that there 299 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 8: was no Trump Russia collusion. But this intelligence community assessment 300 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 8: was built around the Steel dossier, which was totally made 301 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 8: up fiction by a British spy, Christopher Steele's former British spy, 302 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 8: just made up garbage about ridiculous, salacious tales about Donald 303 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 8: Trump that weren't true. And John Brennan forced that Steel 304 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 8: dossier into this intelligence community assessment, which, as his own 305 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 8: analyst said, would discredit the entire thing. And that's what 306 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 8: it did. And so John Brennan's always said lied and said, 307 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 8: oh no, he didn't push the Steele dossier into the 308 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 8: intelligence He didn't know anything about the Steele dossier. Oh, 309 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 8: I don't know how it got there and it wasn't 310 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 8: used anyway as what he said, Well, we now know 311 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 8: from his own words from an email that John Brennan 312 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 8: wrote himself to his own analysts who were pushing back 313 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 8: on using the Steel dossier, that he forced them he said, 314 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 8: you have to use this. That was part of the 315 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 8: declassified report, the review that John Ratcliffe released last week, 316 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 8: and that forms the basis I believe of a perjury 317 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 8: charge against Hit or perjury referral. It's not a charge yet, 318 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 8: but certainly the FBI has had referred to it from 319 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 8: the CIA these allegations about both John Brennan and Jim Comey. 320 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 8: Now the statute of limitations will have run out. It's 321 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 8: five years for perjury. It will have run out on 322 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 8: the initial lies that he told in testimony to Congress. 323 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 8: But he is also John Brennan testified behind closed doors 324 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 8: to the Durham investigation, and also I believe to James 325 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 8: Comber's investigations into Joe Biden. So you know, you can 326 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 8: assume that he would have told the same lies that 327 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 8: he was telling in public for many years and that 328 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 8: he testified to in Congress before that. No, he didn't 329 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 8: know about the No, the steel dos here was not 330 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 8: used in that assessment, and no, he had nothing to 331 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 8: do with any referral to it. The steel dos here 332 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 8: was not just used as an annex in that assessment. 333 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 8: It was used in the main body. And so it 334 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 8: did discredit the whole thing. It did damage not just 335 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 8: to Donald Trump, but to America's national security. And so 336 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 8: certainly John Brennan and Jim Comi should be prosecuted. Let's 337 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 8: hope that that will happen. At the moment, it's in 338 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 8: the hands of the FBI and Cash Pattel, and I 339 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 8: think the clock is ticking down on the Statute of Limitations. 340 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: It is pod force one. Go listen to Miranda interview 341 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: all the most powerful people while I talk about pizza 342 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: on my show. Miranda, thank you so much. I appreciate it. 343 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: What did the Supreme Court do? Did they say Donald 344 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: Trump can fire all the federal employees. No, now that's 345 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: not what they said. But they did do something good. 346 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: We'll talk to Bill about that in a moment. Before 347 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: we talked to Bill, let me talk to you about 348 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: something that's pure, pure talk. See what I did there, anyway, 349 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: don't you appreciate companies that hire American I do. I'll 350 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: be honest. I never used to. I'm not proud of that. 351 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: But when I was younger, I just whatever, don't care 352 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: who cares, Just give me what I want. I'm baiden. 353 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: China doesn't matter to me. And I remember older guys 354 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: would school me about that, ah, and I'd blow it off, 355 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, but it really does matter. And it's really 356 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: cool when a company like pure Talk they hire Americans. 357 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: All these cell phone companies, Veris and At and T 358 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: T Mobile, all of them. They'll go shopping around the planet, 359 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: find that cheap labor. And then when you get a 360 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: hold of somebody there, you can't understand them. They can't 361 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: understand you. It's frustrating you're screaming at the phone. Not 362 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: Pure Talk led by a Vietnam veteran America means enough 363 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: to Pure Talk that they hire Americans. They'll also save 364 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: you money on your sales service. They also make it 365 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: easy to switch pure talk dot com slash jessetv. We'll 366 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: be back. You know. It's almost impossible to fire federal employees, 367 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: or at least traditionally it has been, and it may 368 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: sound like not a big deal, But it's a gigantic deal. 369 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: The people you elect will get into office and the 370 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: federal workforce can oftentimes completely defy them. And you can't 371 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: fire these dagon people. They're like leeches. Is that about 372 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: to change? I don't know. Supreme Court just decided something. 373 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: We better ask Bill Jacobson about that. Joining me now, 374 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: founder of Legal Insurrection, Cornell University law professor Bill Jacobs said, Okay, Bill, 375 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: what is this decision? What does it mean? 376 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 10: So the Supreme Court granted a stay, which means put 377 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 10: a hold on an injunction from Federal District Court in California, 378 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 10: which prevented the federal government from moving forward under a 379 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 10: Trump executive order which called on I think it was 380 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 10: nineteen different departments to develop plans for large scale layoffs. 381 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 10: So the district court stopped them from even planning to 382 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 10: do anything. Which went up to the Ninth Circuit Court 383 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 10: of Appeals, which refused to grant a stay pending appeal. 384 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 10: They then took it up to the Supreme Court, and 385 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 10: the Supreme Court eight to one, with Kitanji Brown Jackson 386 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 10: dissented in a fairly fiery descent, dissenting and granted a stay, 387 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 10: and there's many reasons why they granted the stay. But 388 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 10: what we can discern from the short opinion, well as 389 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 10: the opinion of Justice Soda Mayor who agreed with them, 390 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 10: is what is the court below doing? All the executive 391 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 10: order says is start planning. The executive order didn't lay 392 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 10: anybody off. So if Federal District Court judge stopped them 393 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 10: from even planning and therefore enjoined plans which didn't even 394 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 10: yet exist, and the Supreme Court said no, we're not 395 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 10: going to allow that to happen. This lower court order 396 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 10: has stayed, they can move forward with the planning. 397 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so there aren't going to be mass layoffs as 398 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: of right now. All this said is you can start 399 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: planning for mass layoffs. Just to make sure I have 400 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: that correct. 401 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 10: That's right. And Kanji Brown Jackson dissented from that go ahead. 402 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 10: She dissented from it totally. 403 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: You said it was You said it was a fiery descent. 404 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 10: Why because she used a lot of the sort of 405 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 10: language is used before, very accusatory towards her colleagues, very 406 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 10: accusatory towards the court at ignoring what she called the 407 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 10: reality on the ground. I mean she literally used a term. 408 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 10: If I didn't quote it precisely, it was very close 409 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 10: to that the district court judge knows better what's happening 410 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 10: on the ground, which is of course just an absurd assertion. 411 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 10: And she's done that before, and the Court is once 412 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 10: again ignoring, you know, the rights of different citizens, etc. 413 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 10: And so it was just very accusatory towards the majority, 414 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 10: towards the court. And one thing that's interesting is that 415 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 10: it was also in a sense accusatory against the two 416 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 10: other liberals, because both Kagan and Sodamayor voted with the majority, 417 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 10: and Kagan wrote a separate decision which clearly was directed 418 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 10: towards Justice Jackson and said, look, basically, you don't seem 419 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 10: to understand we don't even have a plan to rule on. 420 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 10: All the executive order did is say they could create 421 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 10: a plan. Once we have that plan, then we can 422 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 10: rule on whether it's lawful or not. Maybe it is, 423 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 10: maybe it isn't. So she felt the need. You know 424 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 10: a lot of people use the expression explain this to 425 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 10: me like I'm a fifth grader. Okay, that's what Justice 426 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 10: Soda Mayor did for Justice Jackson. She explained it to 427 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 10: her like she was a fifth grader in very simple terms. 428 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 10: That apparently Justice Jackson to the end was unable to 429 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 10: grasp because she continued with her ten page descent, which 430 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 10: really was not grounded in anything. And this is what 431 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 10: we're seeing a lot from her. She gets very accusatory 432 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 10: towards people who disagree with her. She gets very nasty 433 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 10: towards them in her descents. And we saw a couple 434 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 10: of weeks ago, I think I discussed it on your show, 435 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 10: how Amy Coney Barrett lashed out at her basically said, 436 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 10: all the thing, this was different case. This was the 437 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 10: so called birthright citizenship case that you know, all the 438 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 10: things Justice Jackson is saying in her dissent are contrary 439 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 10: to two hundred years of constitutional law. And now Sodamayer 440 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 10: had to say something similar, a little kinder, but it 441 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 10: basically was, Okay, Justice Jackson, I'm going to explain this 442 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 10: to you, like you're a fifth grader. Here's why we 443 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 10: need to grant the stay. And so that's what's really 444 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 10: astounding is that none of the other justices eight including 445 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 10: two liberal justices, really don't seem to have a lot 446 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 10: of respect for Justice Jackson. 447 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: Okay, Bill obviously you are much more wired into the 448 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: law school realm than I am. It's not that I 449 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: think lawyers or judges are automatically brilliant, but my sister 450 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: went through law school, had to pass the bar in 451 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: several different states. The amount of research and writing and things, 452 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: it was astounding, the amount of information she had to 453 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: hoover up in order to move forward with that career. 454 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: How does someone rise to a Supreme Court justice who 455 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: apparently is so dumb even fellow liberals are marveling at 456 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,239 Speaker 1: what she doesn't know. 457 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 10: Yeah, that is astounding. She is a social justice warrior. 458 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 10: It's coming through in her writings very clearly. Whenever people say, well, 459 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 10: is critical race theory ever going to infect the court system? 460 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 10: I said, if you want to read how critical race 461 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 10: theory is infecting the system, now read Justice Jackson's dissent 462 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 10: in the affirmative action case. It was a total political verbiage, 463 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 10: total anything you might hear in the social justice course 464 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 10: in college. And so I think it's a combination of 465 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 10: her being having the right politics for Democrats to get ahead. 466 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 10: And President Biden at the time said why he was 467 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 10: picking her. He picked her because he wanted a black 468 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 10: woman on the court. He wanted that first. There's no 469 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 10: question she would not have been selected but for that 470 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 10: racial jerry man during by President Biden. So that's how 471 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 10: she got ahead. She got a head through favoritism. She 472 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 10: got a head through being a social justice warrior. She's 473 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 10: not a stupid person. I didn't mean to suggest that, 474 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 10: but she obviously lets her politics influence her legal analysis. 475 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 10: Remember in the birthright citizenship case, she criticized the court 476 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 10: for getting hung up on all this quote legalese close quote. 477 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 10: Well wait a second, that's your job as a judge. 478 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 10: You're supposed to get hung up on legalese. Okay, So 479 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 10: I think the main problem with her is that she's 480 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 10: not the brightest bulb in the theater. But she's not 481 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 10: a stupid person. But she got ahead through being a 482 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 10: social justice warrior. 483 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: Show all right, let's shift gears. I do want to 484 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: ask this before I get to Thomas and Alito and 485 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: retirement things. Why was there an injunction at all? I 486 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: thought we got rid of that with the last Supreme 487 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: Court decision. 488 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 10: Well, this was an injunction against a particular executive order, 489 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 10: so I'm not sure it really would have fallen under 490 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 10: the so called universal injunction sort of problem that the 491 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 10: Supreme Court dealt with. It really just enjoyed the government 492 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 10: from implementing a particular executive order. Whether it would have 493 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 10: had a different outcome post Supreme Court decision, I don't know, 494 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 10: but I don't think it would have made a difference here. 495 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: All right, shifting gears here. I love Alito, I love 496 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: Thomas as anybody with the brain does, but father time 497 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: is unfeated. Are there whispers about potential retirements. I'm not 498 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: even saying I'm trying to shove them out the door 499 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: because I love those men, but we don't want a 500 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: Democrat to replace them, and that's always a possibility. What's 501 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: the rumor mill saying? 502 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think there were. I'm not sure if there 503 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 10: are rumors or thoughts. People are expecting that one or 504 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 10: both of them will retire on a timing that would 505 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 10: allow Trump to name a replacement. That may not happen. 506 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 10: And the most famous case of it not happening is 507 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 10: Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who hung on just a little bit 508 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 10: too long and Trump got to name her replacement. And 509 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 10: so that's hanging over everybody. We don't want Alido or 510 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 10: Thomas to go Ginsburg here. But they're both seemingly in 511 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 10: good shape. They're certainly in good mental shape, as was Ginsburg. 512 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 10: There would be a real loss to the court to 513 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 10: lose either one of them. But they have to be 514 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 10: conscious that they don't want some future Democrat president to 515 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 10: name their replacement. They do not want the equivalent of 516 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 10: a Justice Jackson to replace them, some social justice warrior. 517 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 10: And those are the types of judges Biden has appointed 518 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 10: to the lower courts. So it's the expectation that they 519 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 10: will retire, more so than the rumor that they're making 520 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 10: plans to retire. 521 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: Bill as always, I appreciate you, sir. Come back. All right, 522 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: there's an anniversary we're forgetting about. We shouldn't be. Selna Zeita, 523 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: wonderful journalist, joins us next to discuss it. 524 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 11: Hang on, if you want to really see something that said, 525 00:33:50,200 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 11: take a look at what happened out. 526 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 10: Wait. 527 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 8: Wait, I know. 528 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: Such an unbelievable moment, wasn't it. I was almost a 529 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: year ago, July thirteenth, twenty twenty four. I feel like 530 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: that moment should have lasted longer. Maybe maybe we don't 531 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: live in that society anymore. I'm not complaining. I'm not 532 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: doing the back in my day thing, but maybe there's 533 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: just too much information, too many new scandals. But I 534 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: really feel like that one should have lasted a little 535 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 1: longer in the memory bank. Joining me now, my friend, 536 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: wonderful author writer Selena Zito, wrote the book on that day. 537 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: You really should be picking up called butler. Selena. Again, 538 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to be Grandpa Jesse, but I feel 539 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: like we do forget about some huge stories really fast. 540 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: Now is that a what is that a social media thing? 541 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 7: Well? I pushed back on that, and you know, with 542 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 7: a nuanced reason, and it did last. It still lasted. 543 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 7: It just didn't last in the legacy media in the 544 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 7: way that it should have and handled properly that way. 545 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 7: But that left a mark on all of us. It 546 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 7: not only changed the course of that campaign. It not 547 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 7: only changed that man and the conversations that I've had 548 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 7: with him that day and days after, but it also 549 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 7: completely changed the America's trust in the media. What little 550 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 7: was left was gone immediately, and so that lived on 551 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 7: in a way that is very different than we traditionally 552 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,240 Speaker 7: think things will linger in the American in our culture. 553 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 7: But mark my words, I mean that's part of why 554 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 7: this entire book was written. That has not that moment 555 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 7: hasn't left us, and it still hasn't. 556 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 1: Selena, you said it changed the man in significant ways. 557 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: You've spent tons of time with President Trump explained. 558 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 7: So the President called me the next morning. If people 559 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 7: people will find out when they read the book. Then 560 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,439 Speaker 7: he called me the next morning. I was only four 561 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 7: feet away, and there was a bunch of reasons comical 562 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 7: and not comical that I was standing there. But he 563 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 7: called me the next morning, crack of dawn in the morning, 564 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 7: and he's like, Selena, are you okay? My daughter who 565 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 7: took the photo for the book cover the book, is 566 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 7: your daughter? 567 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 8: Okay? 568 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 7: And g I'm really sorry. We didn't do that interview, 569 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 7: which I thought was a little bit funny considering he'd 570 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 7: been shot and he was thinking about me and an interview. 571 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 7: But there we had some very profound conversations. He called 572 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 7: me seven times that day. We talked a lot, and 573 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 7: I gave him a lot of space to talk. I 574 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 7: didn't push him, I didn't press him. Sometimes I didn't 575 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,479 Speaker 7: say anything at all, And even anybody knows me, that's 576 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 7: not something I usually do. I'm always talking and I 577 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 7: just let him work through it. And he kept saying 578 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 7: to me, why did I turn my head? I never 579 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 7: turned my head. Why did I bring that chart down? 580 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 7: And as he's having this conversation with me, he says, 581 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 7: was that God? And he answers his own question. He said, yeah, 582 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 7: that was God, and that was the hand of God, 583 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 7: which is what he eventually says several times, and he says, 584 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 7: I believe I have a different purpose now if I 585 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 7: am lucky enough to become president again, I have a 586 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 7: different purpose because I was saved in that moment, and 587 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 7: I was saved for that purpose. And I think it's 588 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 7: important for your listeners to know this is that people 589 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 7: have all these assumption as to why he said fight, fight, fight. 590 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 7: They think it has to do with vanity, not at all. 591 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 7: It has to do with the projection of the American presidency. 592 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 7: He said, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump. 593 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 7: I was the president. I had been the president of 594 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 7: the United States. I might likely be the president again. 595 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 7: It was incumbent on me. It was my obligation to 596 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 7: show strength. I could not let the country falter in 597 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 7: that moment because it could happen. People behind me could 598 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 7: have panied, people in front of me could have paned, 599 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 7: people in the country could have panicked. They needed to 600 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 7: know that the country had grit, that it still retained 601 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 7: its exceptionalism, and that we continue on. And I thought 602 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 7: that was not only powerful in that moment, but it 603 00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 7: became sort of the resounding theme throughout that camp pain, 604 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 7: but also every day in this presidency. It is very 605 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 7: different than twenty seventeen, very very different. This is a 606 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 7: man who knows he was saved for a reason, and 607 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 7: this is a man who believes there is a purpose 608 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 7: that for him being saved, and he needs to live 609 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 7: up to that no matter what the political consequences are. 610 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: Selena, you said that was the last of the American 611 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: public's trust in the media. Can you explain that. Look, 612 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 1: I don't need any help to hate the media anymore 613 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: than I already do. But they didn't take the shots. 614 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: What do you mean? 615 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 7: So if you remember, and again we are loaded on 616 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 7: with tons of information, the first couple stories that came 617 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 7: out said that there was a disruption and there was 618 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 7: an incident, and then they said, then for a couple 619 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 7: of days it was there. He was hit by glass. 620 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 7: He wasn't hit by a bullet right, and and people 621 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 7: could see with their own eyes that none of that 622 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 7: was true. And so that right there, it was sort 623 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 7: of like you know, the Wizard of Oz and the 624 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,759 Speaker 7: curtain was peeled back. They've already been leading up to 625 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 7: distrusting the media because the media kept saying that Joe 626 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 7: Biden was fine, it was great, and then they're saying, 627 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 7: and Donald Trump really wasn't hurt that bad, He's fine, 628 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 7: And it was a it was a clash of moments, 629 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 7: a clash of significance that no matter what the media 630 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 7: said after that moment, it was ultimately dismissed by the 631 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 7: American public because it was what happened was right in 632 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 7: front of them, and they stubbornly dug in their heels 633 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 7: to say it didn't. 634 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: Happen, Selena, Why don't we know more about the shooter? 635 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: That's the part that bothers me the most. The man 636 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: carried out a successful assassination attempt of the almost Republican 637 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: nominee for president. If Donald Trump doesn't turn his head, 638 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: donald Trump is dead. That assassination attempt was planned and executed. 639 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 1: Really well, yeah, really was. 640 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 7: You know the problem with Thomas Matthew Crooks is multi layered. 641 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 7: First of all, this young man was a loaner. Now, 642 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 7: there are a lot of loaners out there that leave 643 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 7: a ton of breadcrumbs, defined right, They leave evidence everywhere 644 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 7: because they take that energy of loneliness and pour it 645 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 7: into writing or things they put on social media. He 646 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 7: did not do that, and that was the challenge. That 647 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 7: is the challenge in trying to understand what happened. It 648 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 7: doesn't help that his parents lawyered up, so there's no 649 00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 7: ability to question and there's no ability to press. And 650 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,840 Speaker 7: I think you had an administration in the Biden administration 651 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 7: that wasn't willing to push on this incident. They just 652 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 7: went through the motions. Now, I suspect that's probably very 653 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 7: different now as I understand it. There has been vigorous 654 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 7: looking into it. But you know, it could also be 655 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 7: as simple as this was a kid who got mocked 656 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 7: and made fun of in high school for being terrible 657 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 7: for trying out for the rifle team, and he was 658 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 7: going to go show everyone that he wasn't terrible. It 659 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 7: could be that simple. I'm not saying it is, but 660 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 7: we can't discount that that might exactly be. 661 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 8: What it is. 662 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: Selina thank you so much. Go beg soon, all right, 663 00:42:50,120 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: we'll be back. All right. It is time to lighten 664 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: the mood. And I'm still I still have Independence Day 665 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: hanging on me. Now, maybe that's just the fireworks smell, 666 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: but it's all over me. Freedom America. These dudes know 667 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: how to do freedom. What. That's beautiful. I'll see them 668 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: all