Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're recreating Monday Nights on
Speaker 1: Thursday mornings. Yes, I'm here with my Monday Night buddy,
Speaker 1: Nick Shook, and we're gonna start really diving deep into
Speaker 1: the off season. We're gonna talk about franchise tags. Nick.
Speaker 1: We're also gonna throw to an interview we did last
Speaker 1: week with Kobe Turner Jordan Rod Reagan. I that I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed. But it is great to be talking to you, Nick.
Speaker 1: I know you're playing hurt. Everyone got Everyone has a
Speaker 1: flu game this week coming home from New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're all battling something that we picked up.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's not a week in New
Speaker 3: Orleans if you don't board the flight back with chills.
Speaker 2: But we're here, baby, we're working.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: Our producer Eric got stuck at the airport for about
Speaker 1: seven hours after staying up all night because it was
Speaker 1: a six am flight. That's a disaster, and apparently everyone
Speaker 1: is playing hurt right now, not feeling strong. My poor
Speaker 1: son puked in the cab on the way to the
Speaker 1: airport and on the plane. There was something going on
Speaker 1: in that superdome other than the most dominating defensive performance
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Look, Nick, we're gonna get right into it.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk a little news. Like I said,
Speaker 1: We're going to talk some tag primer, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to everyone hearing this Kobe Turner interview that was
Speaker 1: so good that I just wanted to save it because
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to get lost last week.
Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with the super Bowl, so
Speaker 1: our listeners hopefully will enjoy that. But let's talk about
Speaker 1: a couple news items that dropped before the super Bowl
Speaker 1: that I thought were worth actually mentioning. And the first
Speaker 1: is that Aaron Rodgers, it started with Jay Glazer, is
Speaker 1: unlikely to be back with the Jets next season. After
Speaker 1: Glazer first reported this, basically every insider had a version
Speaker 1: of this story. They all agreed, and it really sounds
Speaker 1: like Rogers is done with the Jets, which to me
Speaker 1: is a fascinating decision, and I'm actually a little surprised.
Speaker 1: Maybe I shouldn't be.
Speaker 3: I mean, I felt like any time that a new
Speaker 3: regime was coming in, which obviously the Jets have one,
Speaker 3: that they'd be inclined to move on because he's not
Speaker 3: their guy. He's also forty one years old, and there's
Speaker 3: no real future with him. But you did think bridge
Speaker 3: quarterback for a year. You don't have your replacement on
Speaker 3: the roster right now, you're not quite in a position
Speaker 3: to draft one unless maybe things change in that regard.
Speaker 3: So that's where the surprise does land. But otherwise, I mean,
Speaker 3: he spent weeks, if not months, talking about, Yeah, I'd
Speaker 3: love to be back if they'll have me, and ultimately
Speaker 3: it seems like they won't have him.
Speaker 1: And there's some debate whether it's his choice, their choice,
Speaker 1: both their choice, mutual choice. Diane Rassini of The Athletic
Speaker 1: had a great little item that the Jets said, if
Speaker 1: you were going to come back, you would have to
Speaker 1: be at all the mandatory practices. You would have to
Speaker 1: give up your Pat McAfee show. Ooh. Really intriguing and
Speaker 1: basically saying like this is not going to be the
Speaker 1: regime kind of bows to Aaron Rodgers, which is really
Speaker 1: interesting because any team, now that you think about that
Speaker 1: wants to bring him in. He comes with a lot
Speaker 1: of baggage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, baggage is exactly what I would expect or what
Speaker 3: I was thinking too. Luggage, plenty of luggage there and
Speaker 3: some of it not really necessary or it would fit
Speaker 3: the plan of most of these teams. I think you
Speaker 3: accept that if the guy's thirty five or even thirty
Speaker 3: eight gives you a chance to win a super Bowl.
Speaker 3: But he's beyond that now, So I understand that it's
Speaker 3: just now who's going to be willing to at this point.
Speaker 4: I lack his baggage.
Speaker 1: That's Terry Jones last week. I feel like we're going
Speaker 1: to be reusing that one a lot. Part of the
Speaker 1: fascination to me with Rogers is just, yes, the negatives
Speaker 1: do not make it worth bringing him back. In my mind,
Speaker 1: I think they're making the right choice. But then when
Speaker 1: you look at all the quarterbacks that are available, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about Sam Darnold, and you look at
Speaker 1: the season Rogers had and you squint hard, like, well,
Speaker 1: there's about seven or eight teams that need quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: he's still one of the better ones that are just available.
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't have surprise me. Would have been a
Speaker 1: very Jets move to keep him. I thought it was
Speaker 1: interesting though, that Ian Rappaport, our Insider, said, with Rogers
Speaker 1: likely not returning, it could be a packaged deal that
Speaker 1: Devonte Adams is also unlikely to be back, and while
Speaker 1: Rogers has no trade value, I don't think I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to cut him because of his contract. Look,
Speaker 1: the Jets just gave up something for Devonte Adams six
Speaker 1: months ago. Last Really, I actually think looking at Devanta Adams' contract,
Speaker 1: they could get something for him and that he potentially
Speaker 1: would be a trade target versus a release. But to me,
Speaker 1: that report indicates like they believe in Garrett Wilson as
Speaker 1: their future. He was maybe honking about possibly getting traded
Speaker 1: out of there by the end of that season and
Speaker 1: maybe getting rid of Adam just kind of clears the deck,
Speaker 1: and I actually think he can provide some value for
Speaker 1: a team out there, certainly maybe as a number two
Speaker 1: receiver instead of as a clear number one. It seems
Speaker 1: crazy to me that he would just be a package
Speaker 1: deal at this point of his career with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: But who knows. These two dudes are a little weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know he's north of thirty, and
Speaker 3: folks are going to wonder about the long term viability.
Speaker 3: I get that, and the numbers high, like the existing
Speaker 3: cap number right now going into twenty twenty five is
Speaker 3: thirty eight point two million dollars.
Speaker 1: That's a thirty five million dollar base salary, So.
Speaker 3: Maybe a lot of negotiation there, like you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to convert a lot of that into bonus, tack on voidears,
Speaker 3: and then you're paying in the future for what you're
Speaker 3: getting immediately and what are you getting. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, I still think that he is valuable. He
Speaker 3: proved that down the stretch with Rogers, with some of
Speaker 3: the plays that he made. There was a stretch in
Speaker 3: a couple of games where he became DeVante Adams Again,
Speaker 3: I think he still carries value. The package deal idea
Speaker 3: makes it a little bit harder to figure out because
Speaker 3: you're narrowing the pool of potential suitors. But I think
Speaker 3: Adams on his own definitely still carries some value. It's
Speaker 3: just that how do you negotiate or navigate that contract.
Speaker 1: Although the more the more I look at it a
Speaker 1: thirty five million dollar base, I thought it was a
Speaker 1: lower base and the Jets had already played paid more
Speaker 1: of a upfront money. That's a lot for Devontae Adams
Speaker 1: now with a team, just so that they don't have
Speaker 1: to negotiate with him be willing to pay thirty five
Speaker 1: million dollars in twenty twenty five. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a one year deal and they give up a fifth
Speaker 1: to seventh swap and the Jets just get something out
Speaker 1: of it, which is better than nothing. That's possible, but
Speaker 1: it's also very possible. DeVante Adams and Aaron Rodgers both
Speaker 1: just get cut together, which is by the New York Jets,
Speaker 1: which is a crazy sentence to imagine if you're in
Speaker 1: the year twenty twenty one, when Aaron Rodgers is winning
Speaker 1: the MVPs and Devonte Adams is the best wide receiver
Speaker 1: in football. But this is how it ends for even
Speaker 1: the greatest of players. Deebo Samuel over the weekend made
Speaker 1: it clear through reporting, which you have to assume is
Speaker 1: approved by his agent or straight out pushed by his agent,
Speaker 1: or maybe by the forty nine ers. Either way, he's
Speaker 1: getting traded. He's on the trade block. He asked for
Speaker 1: a trade. I'm gonna do a show talking a little
Speaker 1: bit about trade candidates on Friday morning. Bill Barnwell's on
Speaker 1: that show. Really looking forward to that, so we'll dive
Speaker 1: into more of the particulars. But it really feels like
Speaker 1: this is the end shook of debo in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Not totally shocking when you look at what else is
Speaker 1: going on on that roster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think they made their decision when they
Speaker 3: paid Brandon Ayuk last year. Diebo's also struggled with health
Speaker 3: over the last few years. Just in terms of availability.
Speaker 3: He's not quite the guy that unlocks the offense that
Speaker 3: he was in previous years, and they also dealt with
Speaker 3: a number of injuries. So it's kind of hard to
Speaker 3: evaluate his value within this team. But it's pretty clear,
Speaker 3: like you said, that they're ready to move on. The
Speaker 3: difference here, though, is that financially it doesn't seem like
Speaker 3: it's so prohibitive cost wise. I mean, he's going to
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five with the cap number just shy of
Speaker 3: sixteen million dollars according to over the cap, that's not
Speaker 3: that high he keeps somebody like that. But then again,
Speaker 3: I feel like they're at a point now where they
Speaker 3: just go their separate ways in both of their best interests,
Speaker 3: and it sets up an interesting market for him because
Speaker 3: I think he still does Carrius some value if he
Speaker 3: stays healthy, and there are going to be a lot
Speaker 3: of teams that are gonna be interested in a player
Speaker 3: like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all where the agent and Deebo Samuel
Speaker 1: and what they want to do helps determine the trade
Speaker 1: value for the forty nine ers. Now, you wouldn't think
Speaker 1: they would want to do anything to help the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers. The reality is his contract's great, Like he
Speaker 1: has a five million dollar option bonus and a one
Speaker 1: million dollar base salary. He's going to want a new contract,
Speaker 1: but he's coming off some bad years. He is not
Speaker 1: the player he used to be. I've seen some places
Speaker 1: get really excited about trading for Deebo Samuel, and I
Speaker 1: think he can be a good role player. The fact
Speaker 1: that the forty nine ers couldn't get that much out
Speaker 1: of him consistently over the last couple of years is
Speaker 1: a huge red flag to me. And so if he
Speaker 1: wants top tier money, I'm not giving up anything in
Speaker 1: a trade really for him. And if he's willing to
Speaker 1: kind of get a little bit of money extra for
Speaker 1: this year but it's almost a prove it year, then
Speaker 1: a team would want to trade for him. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that a little bit more on that trade show
Speaker 1: that I mentioned. Speaking of trades like the offseason, just
Speaker 1: doesn't wait around. Tom Pellisero reported Jermaine Pratt, of all
Speaker 1: people of the Bengals, has requested a trade. He's not
Speaker 1: the only Bengal that could be getting traded. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about t Higgins in just a second. Talking about franchise tags,
Speaker 1: I think Jermaine Pratt would have almost certainly been cut
Speaker 1: this year. I can't imagine that lu Ayne Rumo loves
Speaker 1: him that much that the Colts are going to give
Speaker 1: up a draft pick for him, So I would think
Speaker 1: he'll just be cut. But it's trade request season. There
Speaker 1: are going to be a lot of trades, and that
Speaker 1: really informs this franchise tag preview we're going to do
Speaker 1: right now, Nick, So I'm excited. I was saying at
Speaker 1: the end of the show with bo Wolf, it's Greg's season.
Speaker 1: The regular season is over. I love this season, Jordan
Speaker 1: and you throughout this name. It sounds ridiculous for me
Speaker 1: to say it, but I'm saying it. It's really about
Speaker 1: five weeks long. The bulk of free agency and trades
Speaker 1: will be done by about March nineteenth, twentieth. You know,
Speaker 1: we're taping this in the middle of February, and the
Speaker 1: first big date that kicks it off in theory is
Speaker 1: the franchise tag and that being allowed to happen. That
Speaker 1: is actually next Tuesday where that opens up, and it
Speaker 1: lasts a couple of weeks there. And so in advance
Speaker 1: of the franchise tag being opened up, I thought we'd
Speaker 1: go through all the players that we can realistically expect
Speaker 1: will be tagged, could possibly be tagged, some guys that
Speaker 1: we think are interesting that we don't think are tagged.
Speaker 1: I used to do this exercise every year on the website,
Speaker 1: and I think it's telling about this free agency class.
Speaker 1: It's not a great one. I have zero locks. I
Speaker 1: put it in a bunch of different categories. I have locks,
Speaker 1: leaning yes, maybe probably not. Usually the top of my
Speaker 1: free agency board is just five out of the top
Speaker 1: six players are locks to be franchise tagged, like t
Speaker 1: Higgins a year ago was one of those guys. I
Speaker 1: literally have no locks this year. And I actually do
Speaker 1: think that is telling of a league right now, which
Speaker 1: is a locking up its players earlier than ever, and
Speaker 1: there's there's not as many great talents. And then b
Speaker 1: I think it's just a little random that this year
Speaker 1: doesn't happen to have any guys that are for sure
Speaker 1: getting franchise tagged.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're also getting contributions from younger guys, like big
Speaker 3: time contributions, quicker than we did in previous years or
Speaker 3: previous generations, I think. And that starts with young quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: but it extends to playmakers that are you know, stepping in,
Speaker 3: especially receiver and producing right away. You can also think
Speaker 3: about a Bjon Robinson as another one. So it kind
Speaker 3: of tips the scales away from the free agency frenzy
Speaker 3: because these guys are playing so well in these are
Speaker 3: fourable contracts that by the time that they come do
Speaker 3: for free agency, a lot of these teams are locking
Speaker 3: them up, like you said, and then it takes away
Speaker 3: a little bit of the juice out of free agency,
Speaker 3: But that's never a problem for us.
Speaker 2: We're going to find these now.
Speaker 1: It's still fascinating. We saw how the Eagles completely transformed
Speaker 1: their team last year. The Ravens have completely transformed their
Speaker 1: team in back to back off seasons and they haven't
Speaker 1: finished the job, but they've done a lot of great
Speaker 1: work that got them in position to do it. So
Speaker 1: no locks, I have three players in my leaning yes
Speaker 1: category and you can just tell me where you disagree
Speaker 1: what you think. T Higgins, Ronnie Stanley, and Sam Darnold
Speaker 1: are the three players in my leaning. Yes, even since
Speaker 1: I sent you my document, I've changed my mind about
Speaker 1: one guy, T Higgins. Let's start with him. Was franchise
Speaker 1: tag last year. If they have to keep him again,
Speaker 1: it's one hundred and twenty percent of this year's salary.
Speaker 1: Everyone is out there saying we want to sign T Higgins.
Speaker 1: It's everyone's solution to their wide receiver problem. The Patriots,
Speaker 1: the Chargers. You could name about ten teams T Higgins
Speaker 1: would help. He'd help every team, but ten teams where
Speaker 1: it's realistic. The more I looked at this, I'm like, why,
Speaker 1: I know the Bengals don't like, you know, paying players
Speaker 1: long term, but why not just pay T Higgins again
Speaker 1: or put the tag on him and trade him, which
Speaker 1: we've seen happen in the NFL more than a few
Speaker 1: times in recent years. It happened with Lugerius Snead last year.
Speaker 1: Not exactly a Bengals forward thinking move, and yet I
Speaker 1: think it makes sense for them. They would be able
Speaker 1: to get a draft pick for T. Higgins if they
Speaker 1: can create the space to keep him at twenty six
Speaker 1: point one million dollars in March. They have a lot
Speaker 1: going on this offseason. Maybe they don't want to do that,
Speaker 1: but I am leaning yes on t Higgins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I think a lot of it
Speaker 3: comes down to market value. You know, if twenty six
Speaker 3: point one is the one hundred and twenty percent tag
Speaker 3: that he's going to get, first off, you won't see
Speaker 3: a tag again the following year. But it makes sense
Speaker 3: even to keep him more to tag him and trade him,
Speaker 3: because market wise, the top annual average salary is Justin
Speaker 3: Jefferson at thirty five million. Tenth is Cooper Cup at
Speaker 3: twenty six point seven million. The Rams are interested in
Speaker 3: moving on from him. Keeping te Higgins at a number
Speaker 3: below that, that's great value, especially considering how desired he
Speaker 3: is in the market, how well he played this year,
Speaker 3: how well he fits into that offense. So it makes
Speaker 3: a ton of sense for me to well, maybe you
Speaker 3: can't figure it out long term, but one more year together,
Speaker 3: maybe if we could just figure out those early season
Speaker 3: difficulties and make another run. Absolutely, it makes a ton
Speaker 3: of sense this one. I lean toward this happening the
Speaker 3: most out of anybody.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I'm intrigued that you're with me on this.
Speaker 1: I thought this might be controversial because the Bengals have
Speaker 1: this let guys walk away, But then I looked at
Speaker 1: their cap space this offseason.
Speaker 2: They have it.
Speaker 1: They have forty six million dollars in cap space. That
Speaker 1: number is very unofficial to twenty six point one. I'm
Speaker 1: going off Joel Corey of CBS Sports two. Great job
Speaker 1: doing estimated franchise text. Now T Higgins is one is
Speaker 1: a little confusing because it would be one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty percent of his last one or the top five.
Speaker 1: So we're waiting to see what is higher there. But
Speaker 1: either way, a one year deal, that's great bargains. Mike
Speaker 1: Brown loves a great bargain. The problem is do they
Speaker 1: have the appetite for going through another off season of drama?
Speaker 1: And te Higgins will not be happy with this. Trey
Speaker 1: Hendrickson is someone who is not happy with his contract. Necessarily,
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase has to get done. It actually would be
Speaker 1: a very Bengals move to just let T Higgins walk.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a smart move, and that's why
Speaker 1: I'm only leaning yes, because I think it makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Ronnie Stanley interesting one here. Now T
Speaker 1: Higgins my number one wide receiver that would be available
Speaker 1: as a free agent. Ronnie Stanley would be my number
Speaker 1: one tackle that's available as a free agent. Started out
Speaker 1: this season playing really well according to the tape heads,
Speaker 1: maybe didn't finish the season, and as Strong has had
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries over the last few years, the
Speaker 1: Ravens don't have a ton of cap space cast strapped
Speaker 1: a lot that they have to deal with this offseason.
Speaker 1: It'd obviously be a big number for a tackle. It'd
Speaker 1: be twenty three million dollars or more. He also took
Speaker 1: a pay cut before last year because of his injuries,
Speaker 1: and that complicates factors where they weren't willing to pay him.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 1: I know he's coming off a good year, but I'm
Speaker 1: only leaning yes. If it was almost any other situation,
Speaker 1: I would assume you just would tack on another year
Speaker 1: and keep Ronnie Stanley instead of creating a big issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and history I think matters for this with the
Speaker 3: Ravens because they've had struggles replacing tackles in the past.
Speaker 3: It was Stanley's injuries, it was losing Alejandro Villanueva, like
Speaker 3: they've had to rotate through a number of different guys
Speaker 3: to find some stability there, and they were able to
Speaker 3: benefit from it this year with you know, Derrek Henry's
Speaker 3: success and Lamar Jackson's success and everything else, but numbers wise,
Speaker 3: after Stanley took that pay cut, the president has set
Speaker 3: for him to not make that much money, and age
Speaker 3: is another factory. Even when he took that pay cut,
Speaker 3: he spoke about how you wanted to finish it the
Speaker 3: right way. So if you're looking for a one year option,
Speaker 3: I guess it makes sense. But financially for me, the
Speaker 3: numbers don't quite make sense for me, just considering his
Speaker 3: injury history.
Speaker 1: He'll get paid though, he'll get paid so much, and
Speaker 1: I know he'said a ton of injury.
Speaker 3: But it's not in the Ravens history to spend that
Speaker 3: type of money on.
Speaker 1: So you're saying I should put down to that the
Speaker 1: maybe category, which I think is where the Beat writers
Speaker 1: would agree with you.
Speaker 3: Locally, Yeah, it just doesn't make a ton of sense
Speaker 3: in terms of history and numbers wise. The Ravens aren't
Speaker 3: the team to spend, you know, recklessly like that.
Speaker 1: They need him, all right, I'll move him to maybe
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. I'm leaning yes, there would be a thirty
Speaker 1: nine million dollar cap hit. The reason is just that
Speaker 1: he has traded values. That's it that they that they
Speaker 1: can afford to keep them in between, that they can
Speaker 1: get this thing done in time to get that money
Speaker 1: off the books. They have fifty eight million dollars in
Speaker 1: caps right now, so they could afford to do it,
Speaker 1: and they could get a you know, third round pick
Speaker 1: out of it. Now, if you're a Vikings fan, you
Speaker 1: might think, well, when't we get a compensatory pick if
Speaker 1: he signs elsewhere. First of all, maybe depends how many
Speaker 1: players you're signing. And then you also move up the window.
Speaker 1: You get the pick faster. Everyone likes picks faster. They're
Speaker 1: also higher because the compensitory picks are at the back,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's just assuming he gets a third
Speaker 1: round pick. Maybe they could get more if they If
Speaker 1: they don't feel like they could get more for Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold at thirty nine million dollars, then maybe they just
Speaker 1: let him walk. The more I listened to Kevin O'Connell
Speaker 1: during Super Bowl week, he was very careful and really
Speaker 1: left it open so that you couldn't draw major conclusions,
Speaker 1: but he did say a couple of times he's earned
Speaker 1: the right to see what a Pro Bowl appearance can
Speaker 1: get him. And I just think he has about a
Speaker 1: ten percent chance of being on the Vikings next year.
Speaker 1: So knowing that, how did they handle it? I think
Speaker 1: they tag and trade him. I think they get it done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. O'Connell's kind of had
Speaker 3: that tone in his voice since their season ended that
Speaker 3: it felt like it was the end for their partnership,
Speaker 3: and other teams are going to look at this as, oh,
Speaker 3: they got him, do that tag?
Speaker 2: We can? You know, tag and trade? That's like the
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones value. Why not? Because other teams are desperate
Speaker 2: for quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: They can also renegotiate their own deals and everything else,
Speaker 3: but it preserves the Vikings' ability to get something for him.
Speaker 3: So it makes a lot of sense. But I agree
Speaker 3: ten percent chance that he ends up on this roster.
Speaker 3: I just they're ready to move forward.
Speaker 1: And I would even say, like, if I'm putting ten
Speaker 1: percent back on the roster, I'm putting fifty percent tag
Speaker 1: in trade forty percent. He just goes on his merry
Speaker 1: way and they just don't get anything other than the
Speaker 1: compensatory pick, which is fine. They got a lot out
Speaker 1: of them, you know, don't get greedy Vikings fans. All right,
Speaker 1: my Maybi's Zach Bond. Talked about him with Bo Wolf
Speaker 1: on our last show, Tray Smith the excellent guard for
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Now, maybe Stanley's in that group because you
Speaker 1: did such a nice job convincing me and Carlton Davis.
Speaker 1: I'm throwing in here for the Lions, although that maybe
Speaker 1: he should be a tier lower. Let's start with Bond,
Speaker 1: who was in my leaning yes before and then as
Speaker 1: we were texting about like the linebacker money is twenty
Speaker 1: five million dollars because edge rushers are in there, I
Speaker 1: still am on the closer side to yes than maybe
Speaker 1: for Zach Bond. But how I think it'll play out
Speaker 1: is they'll just get the deal done before the end
Speaker 1: of the franchise tag deadline, so they have to, you know,
Speaker 1: put the tag on them by a couple of days
Speaker 1: before free agency, and they'll almost use that as an
Speaker 1: internal deadline because they're if they were forced to if
Speaker 1: they can't come to an agreement. I actually do think
Speaker 1: ultimately they would just use it because you can't let
Speaker 1: Zach bond out of the building. That's where we're at
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. That's what I believe. I actually
Speaker 1: think he's kind of irreplaceable for them, as crazy as.
Speaker 2: That sounds, Yeah, I mean that's how well he played
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, financially, number doesn't really
Speaker 3: make a ton of sense because, like if you look
Speaker 3: at the linebackers that compared to him posessionwise, Rokwan's at
Speaker 3: the top at twenty million a year average annual value, right,
Speaker 3: and that's way higher. But then again, he played such
Speaker 3: an important role in this defense. He had an All
Speaker 3: Pro year. He was just a transformative player that you
Speaker 3: could justify it. I think instead, what they're going to
Speaker 3: do is exactly what you just said, which is use
Speaker 3: it as a deadline, use it as a last ditch
Speaker 3: type of situation. I mean, for Zach, he's going to
Speaker 3: get paid. He made three point five million dollars last year.
Speaker 3: He's way outperformed that, and I think that they understand
Speaker 3: that they need to get that deal done. They're also
Speaker 3: not operating with the most cast base. According to over
Speaker 3: the cap right now, it's eighteen million willion in next year,
Speaker 3: So I.
Speaker 1: Kind of stuff to do.
Speaker 3: I think this is just a like a preservation method
Speaker 3: where they're just like, all, we have a lot of
Speaker 3: deals to get done. I think they'll ultimately get a
Speaker 3: deal done with him, like you said, and they just
Speaker 3: save that as a last ditch, make sure he doesn't
Speaker 3: get out the building type of thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So all these free agents that people are
Speaker 1: going to see on the list, like a lot of them,
Speaker 1: aren't going to get there. March fourth is the day
Speaker 1: that you have to have a franchise tag applied, buy
Speaker 1: or they ultimately just enter free agency. So to me,
Speaker 1: that's like a soft deadline for them. Tray Smith, just
Speaker 1: the vibes in Kansas City all year was that they
Speaker 1: were maybe gonna let their twenty six, twenty seven year
Speaker 1: old former All Pro, Excellent Pro Bowl guard go. Some
Speaker 1: football heads think maybe it wasn't his best year, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's that important. He's had a
Speaker 1: really great career so far. He'll make a killing on
Speaker 1: the open market. But the Chiefs are kind of in
Speaker 1: that position where you can't pay everyone. So if it
Speaker 1: was any other team, I would have just said he's
Speaker 1: close to a lock with them. I say, it's a
Speaker 1: maybe twenty three million dollars would be their franchise deck.
Speaker 3: It's a tough number to digest when they have so
Speaker 3: many things to address, but we just saw their biggest
Speaker 3: weakness in the Super Bowl cause them to right, which
Speaker 3: is offensive line. I'm sorry, you know me, I invest
Speaker 3: in the trenches. I think you do whatever you have
Speaker 3: to do to keep him, and I think some other
Speaker 3: contracts are going to be in play, Travis Kelsey's decision
Speaker 3: on whether he wants to play in the future or not.
Speaker 2: That could free up some cap space.
Speaker 3: There are decisions that they have to make elsewhere in
Speaker 3: order to kind of reorganize this salary cap situation. But
Speaker 3: this is a guy you can't let leave. He's still young,
Speaker 3: He's played very well over the course of his career.
Speaker 3: It's a key position in my opinion, and I think
Speaker 3: you have to do what you have to do to
Speaker 3: keep him. I don't know if I would like to
Speaker 3: pay that tag number, but because Joe Toney, you know,
Speaker 3: he's tenth and average annual value at sixteen million dollars,
Speaker 3: and you know what he brings to the table, this
Speaker 3: would be a lot more. But just in terms of football,
Speaker 3: you got to keep him. There's so much capsman's out there.
Speaker 1: If Tray Smith gets to the open market, he's gonna
Speaker 1: make oh tons twenty five million dollars a year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the first couple of years of that deal.
Speaker 3: All these justify them keeping him at that number because
Speaker 3: of their own situation unfortunately that.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about last year and how they tagged and
Speaker 1: traded Snead' I'm moving this up to leaning yes that
Speaker 1: they it just even though the reporting is so strong
Speaker 1: that he that they're going to like not pay him,
Speaker 1: that they're going to let him go. So many times
Speaker 1: I've seen over the years, what the totally on ed
Speaker 1: educated person from the outside thinks is most logical to
Speaker 1: happen is actually what happens and not what is reported
Speaker 1: to happen. And to me, it's just not logical that
Speaker 1: good players just don't get let go let him go.
Speaker 1: So I think I'm moving him up to leaning yes.
Speaker 1: And it could be at tag and trade too, where
Speaker 1: at least they get something for him. Brett Veach is
Speaker 1: saying that Carlton Davis, Look, there's not many cornerbacks that
Speaker 1: would be available. He would be one of the best.
Speaker 1: I think he's really important to what the Lions do.
Speaker 1: It would be a huge number. I'm leaning more no
Speaker 1: on this, but I put him in the maybe category.
Speaker 1: He's coming off a broken jaw, which sounds like the
Speaker 1: most unpleasant injury you could possibly have. But as as
Speaker 1: a football you know, personnel, guy probably thinks about it
Speaker 1: like his jaw is just gonna heal and that's not
Speaker 1: a problem moving forward. The number at cornerback is twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars for a guy who's getting close to thirty.
Speaker 1: That's actually perfect. Give me a one year, twenty million
Speaker 1: dollar Carlton Davis contract. They have plenty of cap space.
Speaker 1: I actually think that makes a lot of sense, So
Speaker 1: I'm going maybe on Carlton Davis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would lean on this as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of near the top, and Ramsey's
Speaker 3: at the top at twenty four point one million in
Speaker 3: average anyal value. But like it's worth it. It's a
Speaker 3: one year thing. It's a position that you need. It's
Speaker 3: an area that you spent a lot to address in
Speaker 3: the offseason, and then you saw, you know, as the
Speaker 3: injuries piled up on defense that eventually you couldn't get
Speaker 3: a stop in the playoffs and that contributed to your
Speaker 3: downfall and you were missing him, so I'd bring him back.
Speaker 3: It's a one year thing, it's not like you're paying
Speaker 3: multiple years. Why not do it.
Speaker 1: I think they're in championship mode, and this is actually
Speaker 1: kind of a championship mode move. Is you tag one
Speaker 1: of your veterans that you're happy to keep for one
Speaker 1: more year. The rest of the guys, and look, that's
Speaker 1: a short list. Usually, like I said, there's five or
Speaker 1: six locks. You know, there's anywhere between four and five
Speaker 1: at the very low end, and in nine, ten to eleven,
Speaker 1: twelve at the top end. You know, we just went
Speaker 1: through six guys and I think only three or four
Speaker 1: of them are going to be tagged, and those, to me,
Speaker 1: are the most likely. It's going to be a small
Speaker 1: group this year. Might probably not list. I just don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna pay that much on a one year
Speaker 1: deal for Josh Sweats, as great as he's been. Paul
Speaker 1: Senadebo coming off a terrible injury for the Saints, but
Speaker 1: I just decided to throw him in there. Assante Samuel.
Speaker 1: It's a new coaching staff and he's coming off an injury.
Speaker 1: Justin Reid is really important for the Chiefs, So that
Speaker 1: wouldn't totally shock me. I thought I'd write it down.
Speaker 1: And then Milton Williams, who that was the one in
Speaker 1: the probably not. I was like, if they could they
Speaker 1: could free up enough money and you get bond on
Speaker 1: a deal like that's it's not It wouldn't be shocking
Speaker 1: to me for them to pay Milton Williams. But that's
Speaker 1: a lot for a guy that's been like your fifth
Speaker 1: or six defensive lineman to pay him twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year whatever it would be for defensive tackle, twenty
Speaker 1: five million dollars actually would be that would be That's
Speaker 1: a tough call.
Speaker 3: I mean, that would have to be a deal that
Speaker 3: you backload in order to make it all fit. Right now,
Speaker 3: I feel like he's the guy who's gonna make money
Speaker 3: elsewhere ultimately. But because they have the depth there and
Speaker 3: everything else, and Sweat, Sweat felt like it was we
Speaker 3: were kind of headed toward this way a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, and they've drafted and developed accordingly to They made.
Speaker 1: Him take a pay and the restructure, by the way,
Speaker 1: so I don't think I don't think he was thrilled
Speaker 1: about that, and he almost was super Bowl MVP. He
Speaker 1: actually was quoted I think it was to Albert Breer
Speaker 1: saying like, maybe I should have been super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 1: So that's the guy that knows.
Speaker 3: And teams like this, they tend to get pillaged. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think about the Giants back when they beat the Patriots.
Speaker 3: A ton of guys cashed in off of that victory.
Speaker 3: Did they play that well elsewhere? No, but this is
Speaker 3: tends what happened. People come in, they grab guys, they
Speaker 3: overpay him, and they all cash in.
Speaker 1: Sweat's a good player, maybe not a great player, but
Speaker 1: a very good player, very like one, a very good season.
Speaker 1: But he's thirty. Not the type of guy I think
Speaker 1: the Eagles are gonna pay. So those are the probably
Speaker 1: not just a few other names that I just thought
Speaker 1: were interesting. If you were curious, you're out there, you
Speaker 1: were for the team with these guys on them, Oh,
Speaker 1: wouldn't they tag them? I don't even think these guys
Speaker 1: are close. But Ernest Jones with the Seahawks, he did
Speaker 1: make a big impact. Javon Holland, I just think, but
Speaker 1: he would make sense in another scenario, but the Dolphins
Speaker 1: in him didn't seem to have a great relationship, so
Speaker 1: that that's a hard no for me. Oh A Diggi
Speaker 1: Zua and DeMarcus Lawrence for the Cowboys. They're a little strapped.
Speaker 1: They're not going to tag those guys. Julian Blackman for
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, Keenan Allen Levi on Wuzurique DJ Reid the
Speaker 1: cornerback for the Jets, and Alaric Jackson for the Rams.
Speaker 1: Those are all hard nos in my mind. It is
Speaker 1: a hard yes to this Kobe Turner interview that's coming
Speaker 1: up after the break, But I'm not saying goodbye to Nick.
Speaker 1: We'll say a little goodbye for the show. Nick. After
Speaker 1: we take a quick break we come back. You're going
Speaker 1: to listen to an interview Jordan rod Rieg of The
Speaker 1: Athletic and I did with Kobe Turner. This guy's a
Speaker 1: star just in terms of his personality, his intelligence, and
Speaker 1: his play on the field. And I just thought it
Speaker 1: was a cool interview that I kind of want to
Speaker 1: didn't want to get lost. I hope you guys enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Nick and I will be back on the other side
Speaker 1: of this conversation, back on NFL Daily and thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined by a man that I now consider a
Speaker 1: close friend because.
Speaker 5: In one week, Yes, aren't you sick of us?
Speaker 4: No, not at all. You guys are incredible.
Speaker 1: Kobe Turner of course, the defensive lineman for the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams, And yes, we spent some time together as
Speaker 1: part of the Mina Kimes benefit on That was Monday
Speaker 1: night of super Bowl week in Los Angeles. And I
Speaker 1: gotta say, Kobe, you you sang that night and you
Speaker 1: you gave me chills. I'm not just saying that because
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to you afterwards. Really, we went on stage,
Speaker 1: he was out, We were ships crossing the night. You
Speaker 1: were very nice, and we were watching the show earlier.
Speaker 1: But man, watching people's faces and reaction to you that
Speaker 1: night singing, I'm not kidding. I'm not just blowing smoke.
Speaker 1: I got chills there. Yeah, props, because that's that's what
Speaker 1: music is all about. How does that feel to make
Speaker 1: other people feel that way? Man?
Speaker 4: It was It was cool. It was definitely different.
Speaker 6: You know, go on acapella and you know, I of
Speaker 6: course put that song out already on Spotify, and then
Speaker 6: I'll have another song that should be coming out next Friday,
Speaker 6: probably which little like name was praying so it'll be
Speaker 6: a cover of Praying by Kasha.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, that's one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So if you guys saw a House of the Rising
Speaker 6: Sun was good, like this one is the one. Like
Speaker 6: I'm super excited to be able to share this one
Speaker 6: with you guys.
Speaker 8: Because soby, like everybody saw you on Mass Singer. Everybody
Speaker 8: knows what you're capable of. But also that's TV to
Speaker 8: have you there in person. You didn't even have to
Speaker 8: stand up. You hit the high notes. So I have
Speaker 8: to tell you. So I saw Greg. Greg was watching
Speaker 8: on the monitor backstage because we were getting ready to
Speaker 8: come back out. We didn't want to be like looking
Speaker 8: in to be like oh hi, you know, and distracting
Speaker 8: whatever and watching Greg watch you and Greg and I'm sorry,
Speaker 8: you're sorry.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna blow you up here a little bit.
Speaker 8: But Greg turns to me and he goes, he is
Speaker 8: a star, and I was like, I know, I know,
Speaker 8: and it just it was really cool and I love
Speaker 8: that like I cover I cover you, you know when
Speaker 8: I cover the rooms for the athletic and like it's
Speaker 8: just something I'm not saying you get used to it
Speaker 8: because you don't.
Speaker 7: But you're just like this all the time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, it's really it's really cool to be able
Speaker 6: to share that side. And yeah, and then from the
Speaker 6: mass singer, you know, you're in this big costume, like
Speaker 6: there's they don't change your voice too much, but obviously
Speaker 6: you're singing through a costume, so there's different things that
Speaker 6: they have to do to you know, to make it
Speaker 6: sound coherent and to where you're not just hearing the
Speaker 6: inside of the costume. But it is different being able
Speaker 6: to do something live and then also to be able
Speaker 6: to share all of my stuff out on like all
Speaker 6: of the streaming platforms because it's like, you know, I
Speaker 6: know that this is more of a passion project, but
Speaker 6: this is something that I love to do and that
Speaker 6: I believe I'm really good at and that could have
Speaker 6: its own direction, but you know, I'm a football guy
Speaker 6: and that's what I love to do. But it's it's
Speaker 6: cool to do that on the side, for sure.
Speaker 7: It's just so cool.
Speaker 8: I just you know, for listeners, I mean, I know
Speaker 8: you listen to me like wax poetic about all these
Speaker 8: like superstars that I get to cover in the LA
Speaker 8: but like Kobe's a team captain for a reason. You
Speaker 8: know you you bring people with you and you're authentic
Speaker 8: and fully yourself. And I love what Mina was talking
Speaker 8: to you about on Monday, because that can be hard
Speaker 8: to do in this league that wants to a take
Speaker 8: from you, b beat you down physically. See it's very
Speaker 8: mentally taxing as well. But you sort of float, if
Speaker 8: that makes sense, And I guess I wonder like where
Speaker 8: does that come from?
Speaker 7: What's your support system?
Speaker 8: And how do you stay so I mean again, you
Speaker 8: just kind of float through it all like very gracefully,
Speaker 8: if you don't mind me saying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm so grounded. And that comes back to my fiance.
Speaker 6: You know, we're about to get.
Speaker 8: By the way, and I was like, you rock so much,
Speaker 8: by the way, it's a lot.
Speaker 5: You're definitely gonna be a wife guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6: I'm a huge like to be able to be a husband,
Speaker 6: or to be able to be her man is something
Speaker 6: that I take a lot of pride in being. So
Speaker 6: she just completely grounds me. I mean she's there through everything,
Speaker 6: everything behind the scenes, massing or everything, like she's here today.
Speaker 6: She's just she's my person who grounds me. And I'm
Speaker 6: so lucky to be able to have been able to
Speaker 6: find her and yeah. So the way that I am
Speaker 6: able to continue to be myself is to have people
Speaker 6: like her who are in my corner and who are
Speaker 6: cheering me on and being like yeah, like post that
Speaker 6: wicked TikTok video or like go live and like go
Speaker 6: because I'm already singing, like when I'm in the house,
Speaker 6: I'm going to be playing my guitar, playing my piano.
Speaker 4: But She's like, share that.
Speaker 6: With the world. And that's been one of my biggest goals,
Speaker 6: is to just be able to share all that I
Speaker 6: am with the world, and not to just present here's
Speaker 6: the football side, but to be like, I would not
Speaker 6: be the football side that I have if it wasn't
Speaker 6: for the music side, if it wasn't for the man side,
Speaker 6: if it wasn't for the fiance side. So to be
Speaker 6: able to share the totality of all of who I
Speaker 6: am and to have a support system starting off with
Speaker 6: her is the reason why I am able to float through.
Speaker 1: Now Jordan's given you in the listeners some of the
Speaker 1: character reasons. It's like then the man behind the jersey
Speaker 1: of why you're you're a leader on that team.
Speaker 5: But the production matters a lot. It does.
Speaker 1: If you could get on that field, if you weren't
Speaker 1: making those sack getting those no doubts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a big part of it.
Speaker 1: I wonder, is there a particular way that you like
Speaker 1: to win the best?
Speaker 5: Is there is there a way you win that is
Speaker 5: your favorite.
Speaker 6: So I take a lot of pride in whenever we're
Speaker 6: in our overload fronts and I'm the penetrator who just
Speaker 6: has to crease through the a because well one that's
Speaker 6: and I know we might talk cadence and stuff, but
Speaker 6: I'm able to see different keys from the center to
Speaker 6: be able to let me know when to get off,
Speaker 6: so that I'm the person who gets all fast the fastest,
Speaker 6: and at times I get off faster than the old
Speaker 6: lineman who know the snapcount. But it's something fun about
Speaker 6: being able to club the center and when you like
Speaker 6: when you catch his arm perfectly and boom you hit
Speaker 6: it by and it's like the center misses. But that's
Speaker 6: only half of the battle. And then now you have
Speaker 6: to rip through and you have to get to the
Speaker 6: back short of the guar and you trap them with
Speaker 6: your elbow or you're either you know, pushing through the
Speaker 6: back shoulder or I catch a club on the center's
Speaker 6: elbow and then I catch the guard up and throw
Speaker 6: them by and then now all I have to do
Speaker 6: is run straight in the quarterbacks right there.
Speaker 1: I'm watching, if you're watching on YouTube, Kobe is showing
Speaker 1: how he's doing the club and I'm just I'm just everything.
Speaker 4: You just you just grab you know what.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna not comment.
Speaker 8: It's not gonna comment. I'm not gonna come it. There's
Speaker 8: a little size difference.
Speaker 7: You know, no problem.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but no, that's that's one of my favorite ways.
Speaker 6: Like whenever I get lined up and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 6: just creasing this gap from the from the nose technique
Speaker 6: like I have. There's a certain mentality that's when I'm
Speaker 6: at my best. And you know, I think it's was
Speaker 6: really cool too as the season progressed to continue to
Speaker 6: find ways to put me in that position and a
Speaker 6: lot of our overload packages.
Speaker 4: But you see it, you hear the communication.
Speaker 6: You're like, okay, like we walked up, uh say, we
Speaker 6: walk up Hoyt on the backside. He's a bigger body,
Speaker 6: So that's gonna listen a five. Oh, so it's really
Speaker 6: me in the center. If it's just me and the center.
Speaker 6: I'm beating the center, and then I'll be able to
Speaker 6: beat off. I'll be able to beat the backside guard
Speaker 6: and come through, you know, clean through the A gap.
Speaker 6: But then there's sometimes where they bring a four to
Speaker 6: three slides, so the center sliding a little bit harder.
Speaker 6: But all of those things I like to pick up
Speaker 6: on it, and then I know, Okay, this is my opportunity.
Speaker 6: And so I like increasing long winded version.
Speaker 8: Of saying I like to we love that, we love that,
Speaker 8: that's what we're all about.
Speaker 1: I love how casual. By the way, he also says like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: first I just beat the center.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and did you see the side eye?
Speaker 8: He gave a little side eye too, like you know
Speaker 8: you know well, but that is correct because we see
Speaker 8: you do it, snap in and snap out. Okay, here's
Speaker 8: my pitch to you. Okay, so you write a book
Speaker 8: at some point, because I believe you can do it.
Speaker 8: You can do everything, and it from a d tackles
Speaker 8: perspective secrets of an NFL center because you are studying
Speaker 8: these guys. And that's something that Aaron Donald did too,
Speaker 8: and I know you know.
Speaker 7: That because we've talked about it, and like we to
Speaker 7: get into their the way that you do.
Speaker 8: First of all, take us through your process, because to
Speaker 8: win like you do, you do have to know tendencies, cadences.
Speaker 8: You have to look for little weaknesses. One time Aaron
Speaker 8: showed me this and it was a frightening experience for
Speaker 8: me because I was like, oh my god, and because
Speaker 8: when he grabs you, you're just like, oh my god.
Speaker 8: He was telling me about how he would just sometimes
Speaker 8: walk down the hallways and just grab alignement by like, oh,
Speaker 8: is that a weak spot?
Speaker 7: Does that hurt? Is that a pressure point?
Speaker 8: And he would look for different like soft spots for
Speaker 8: these linemen. Yeah, but I know you're studying all of
Speaker 8: that too, So where do you start and how do
Speaker 8: you study?
Speaker 7: Like what is your process of studying and what have
Speaker 7: you learned?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so this is going to be multifaceted, so fast. One,
Speaker 4: when we talk about weak spots on somebody's arm or
Speaker 4: on somebody's body, that's a lot that I've actually learned
Speaker 4: from Eighties Knife Guy. We talked about it on the meinaodcast.
Speaker 7: So I called Eighties Knife Guy so I hit.
Speaker 6: Him up right after NFL. Honest, that's a lot of
Speaker 6: what he does it's how to break down different joints.
Speaker 6: What are the weak spots? Where can you attack and
Speaker 6: what's going to be weak on an offensive lineman or Okay, hey,
Speaker 6: if I say I swipe out on offensive lineman, then
Speaker 6: how is he going to replace his hand? Is he
Speaker 6: gonna replace his hand back out and up under? And
Speaker 6: if he does in that time where I'm swiping out
Speaker 6: and he's replacing his hand, he doesn't have a hand
Speaker 6: on me. So if I grab cloth and I'm able
Speaker 6: to throw him by now I'm able to get back
Speaker 6: to the quarterback. And so there's a lot of things
Speaker 6: that you break down in that sense, and that's a
Speaker 6: lot of what Poodi has helped me to do.
Speaker 2: And then we ad.
Speaker 6: And then when we just talk about like my film study,
Speaker 6: there's a million and one things that I look through
Speaker 6: people are probably if people sit in a film room
Speaker 6: with me, they're probably going to be bored because they
Speaker 6: might not be seeing what I'm seeing. But I'm replaying
Speaker 6: the start of each play the end of each play
Speaker 6: to see just exactly everything that I can take from it.
Speaker 6: You know, a lot of times I'm looking first at
Speaker 6: what are their tendencies, what are they doing past, how
Speaker 6: do they like to play?
Speaker 4: All of these things?
Speaker 6: But then when you really get to the nitty gritty, right,
Speaker 6: So I'll take you through a home game. We're playing
Speaker 6: a home game at SOFI. A lot of teams are
Speaker 6: going to be on a silent cadence. So that means
Speaker 6: the sinner has to either a get tapped by the
Speaker 6: guard to let him know snap the ball, or b
Speaker 6: has to look through his legs get a visual cue
Speaker 6: and then decide to go or see he'll and he'll
Speaker 6: call out the cadence on himself.
Speaker 7: We just stuck his head and listeners yet, right, so.
Speaker 6: He'll call out the cadence himself. There's when you play
Speaker 6: so much and when you really study the game, you
Speaker 6: get to feel somebody's aura. And it's not something that
Speaker 6: comes through so much on tape, but once you're in person,
Speaker 6: you feel the aura. You feel, Okay, this person is
Speaker 6: ready to go, or this person's not ready. And so
Speaker 6: there's sometimes right where I'll watch the very beginning of
Speaker 6: the play where it'll just barely be cut off and
Speaker 6: it's like a fake cadence where the sinner's looking through
Speaker 6: his leg but he's not ready. And so I'm looking
Speaker 6: at his knees at how tensed his quad muscles are.
Speaker 6: I'm looking all the way like I'm king the knee.
Speaker 6: Some guys, you like, there's there's a couple of sinners
Speaker 6: who maybe their hand is in the middle uh when
Speaker 6: they're faking, and then by the time when they're when
Speaker 6: they're trying to get out, they throw their hand back
Speaker 6: as they're looking down under to kick back.
Speaker 8: And so we're not going to say the name you
Speaker 8: told me, and I'll take it to the.
Speaker 4: Green right, because we got to use that one for
Speaker 4: a little bit, I promise.
Speaker 6: But it's it's so interesting to be able to see
Speaker 6: these certain things, and you see it when they're stressed, right.
Speaker 6: A lot of times people can control their movements when
Speaker 6: there's not somebody who's about to get off the bar,
Speaker 6: when they're not worried about who they're going up against.
Speaker 6: But every time I look at some okay, when they
Speaker 6: think this guy is about to shoot and jump the gap,
Speaker 6: what are they doing within their body to give them
Speaker 6: an extra extra step. Everybody in the NFL cheats, you know.
Speaker 6: Coach Gift tells me all the time. If you're not cheating,
Speaker 6: you're not trying, and so it's a matter of catching
Speaker 6: the cheaters and catching what they do so that you
Speaker 6: can cheat off of them. And you know, if you
Speaker 6: listen to quarterbacks snap snap cadence or whatnot, like you're
Speaker 6: laid off the ball every time. But because all of
Speaker 6: the linemen are jumping out right before he says the cadence,
Speaker 6: so to be able to key in on the particular pieces,
Speaker 6: whether it be an arm, whether it be a leg,
Speaker 6: whether it be the fact that some sinners, when you
Speaker 6: know they're looking down when they're about to uh, when
Speaker 6: they're actually about to snap it, they look down harder
Speaker 6: so that they can reset themselves back and back up
Speaker 6: to be able to get off the ball. So there's
Speaker 6: so many, Like you said, you could write a book
Speaker 6: on writing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll take I'll only take ten percent.
Speaker 8: It's fine, No, But Kobe, it's cool because like what,
Speaker 8: I don't think a lot of people on the outside
Speaker 8: when they they're watching TV or whatever and they see
Speaker 8: like their favorite team and like a d lineman all
Speaker 8: starts jumps offside something like that, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 8: he made a mistake. If they're very if they're a
Speaker 8: good player, such as yourself, Actually that's not what's happening.
Speaker 8: You saw something that you know is to be true
Speaker 8: and you reacted to the thing that you'd studied, and
Speaker 8: I think that is a misconception. Is like, I've heard
Speaker 8: you take the blame for things sometimes and all this stuff,
Speaker 8: and I know you're a captain post to I get that,
Speaker 8: but like you're not messing up, like you saw that
Speaker 8: Seattle Center do something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's whether it be that, whether it be to you.
Speaker 6: There's some guys that'll move and the refs don't see
Speaker 6: it because they're farther out. But being in tune, like
Speaker 6: there's so many times on film where I'm pointing at
Speaker 6: somebody and they snap the ball and it's not a
Speaker 6: fallse Star say, we take the Vikings game, you know,
Speaker 6: Jerry or Akello makes the big play, gets a strip, sack,
Speaker 6: Verse takes.
Speaker 4: It all the way.
Speaker 6: So I'm I would have been all sides if I
Speaker 6: was crowding the ball because I'm seeing the shot clock
Speaker 6: go down and I'm like, they have to snap the ball.
Speaker 6: I've heard von Miller talk about this. They have to
Speaker 6: snap the ball. The balls at zero zero, and it
Speaker 6: was at zero zero for a second, and normally the refs.
Speaker 6: They'll let it get to zero zero and they'll give
Speaker 6: them a chance to snap it. But if they're not
Speaker 6: snapping it, then they're not doing anything. So I literally
Speaker 6: stand up and I'm pointing out the shot clock, the clock,
Speaker 6: and they and they, and they snapped the ball. And
Speaker 6: actually I was talking to Verse about it. If you
Speaker 6: watch that play, Verse doesn't get off the ball. He's
Speaker 6: like I saw Kobe stand up and start pointing. If
Speaker 6: he's pointing, then somebody did something wrong, like it's it's
Speaker 6: off sides or false start. Sorry, And so I'm pointing.
Speaker 6: And then they snapped the ball, and nobody's ready to
Speaker 6: go because everybody thinks that it's a delay of game,
Speaker 6: and you know, a kello ends up going there.
Speaker 4: Verse ends up.
Speaker 6: Hanging out at the line and then boom, there goes
Speaker 6: the ball and he you know, hits his max speed
Speaker 6: or whatnot and takes it to the crib.
Speaker 5: But crazy Vikings fans are gonna have nightmares. But yeah,
Speaker 5: you ruin their season, a couple teed off a couple
Speaker 5: of different times. I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: It's interesting hearing you talk because it's the thing I
Speaker 1: love about football.
Speaker 5: There there are so many levels to it.
Speaker 1: You can enjoy it on the base level, and you
Speaker 1: can listen to all the things that go into the
Speaker 1: interior line play that. Yeah, I've covered the league for
Speaker 1: twenty years and I have no idea, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: learning that.
Speaker 5: My point is, I'm like, I'm learning this stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know about that stuff, of course, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's great to learn about it. And as you're talking,
Speaker 1: I am wondering, like, Okay, what is make what is
Speaker 1: Kobe Turner? Make him like Kobe Turner? And I'm thinking
Speaker 1: part of the equation might be that feeling of the aura.
Speaker 4: One thousand percent. It's that it's the I'm very cerebral
Speaker 4: with the game.
Speaker 6: So you got these guys that are just super great athletes,
Speaker 6: freak athletes, six seven long arms, you know, run a
Speaker 6: for whatever, and those guys, you know, those are the
Speaker 6: guys that get the power five offers out of high school.
Speaker 6: Those are the guys that get into the league in
Speaker 6: this game, right, And he's also a guy too who
Speaker 6: he's combined that with you know, work ethic to be
Speaker 6: able to get to where he's at and to be
Speaker 6: able to impact the game at that level. But yeah,
Speaker 6: and so for me, coming from a guy who is
Speaker 6: a walk on, who is short, who has short arms,
Speaker 6: all of these things, and I think it's a similar
Speaker 6: path to what Ady has taken, and even a similar
Speaker 6: path that I think if guys on our team like
Speaker 6: Brandon Fisz Byron, young people who weren't looked at even
Speaker 6: Jerry Verse, who weren't looked at as these star studded
Speaker 6: athletes or anything like that, and who have had to
Speaker 6: work their way up. You have to find everything that
Speaker 6: you can do to make yourself great. And for me,
Speaker 6: you know, I think that I put myself up there
Speaker 6: because of the way that I approach the game and
Speaker 6: the way that I'm prepared.
Speaker 4: Right, you have so many people who go and watch.
Speaker 6: The combine and they look at the forties and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 6: whatever their ten split is, that's going to affect their
Speaker 6: get off, Right, Whoever has the fastest ten split is
Speaker 6: going to have the fastest get off. Well, I didn't
Speaker 6: run the combine or I didn't run the forty. And
Speaker 6: the reason why I didn't run the forty is because
Speaker 6: it might have been in the five to two range
Speaker 6: or the five to three range, and somebody.
Speaker 7: From the normal humans, right, And somebody.
Speaker 4: Told me, don't do that. I don't have the fastest
Speaker 4: ten time.
Speaker 6: But then if you just look at the get off
Speaker 6: you know, in those past rushing situations, who's getting off
Speaker 6: the ball faster? And I can guarantee you that the
Speaker 6: reason why I can even put myself up there with
Speaker 6: getting off the ball fast and to even be, you know,
Speaker 6: beating most people off the ball, if not all people
Speaker 6: at the ball, is because of the things that I
Speaker 6: key on mentally that give me an extra advantage. So
Speaker 6: it's it's so interesting there. Like you said, there are
Speaker 6: so many different levels to the game of football. I
Speaker 6: have a I don't even think I have a master's
Speaker 6: degree in football. I have a PhD in football. Like,
Speaker 6: I study this game and that's what puts me in
Speaker 6: the positions.
Speaker 4: That I'm in.
Speaker 7: Can you imagine us talking to you three years from
Speaker 7: now and what you'll know, I mean, you.
Speaker 2: Already know so much.
Speaker 7: So here's the thing.
Speaker 8: So here's the thing that's cool. So I was in
Speaker 8: the draft house when they selected you, and I watched
Speaker 8: Henny like FaceTime, and he was so excited and like,
Speaker 8: I know that's your guy, and like he's he was
Speaker 8: keyed on you. Yeah, for so long, and a lot
Speaker 8: of their scouts were keen on you for a really
Speaker 8: long time.
Speaker 7: And I just remember them walking.
Speaker 8: Through and like and raw saying, we just got bleeping
Speaker 8: Grady Jarrett.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like that.
Speaker 8: They they already saw the ten year plan for you
Speaker 8: because of how impressed they were, not just with how
Speaker 8: you showed up on tape, because they don't really and
Speaker 8: you know this about their ams. Obviously you play there,
Speaker 8: but like they don't really look at a lot of
Speaker 8: the testing in terms of what they hold the most
Speaker 8: weight on. They watched tape and they go meet you
Speaker 8: and like they talk to you and all of these things,
Speaker 8: and they were so excited and so fired up to
Speaker 8: just they already had this vision for who you could
Speaker 8: be long term. And I think even to be a
Speaker 8: captain as as young as you are, it's not just
Speaker 8: really because I mean it's it's a young team, but
Speaker 8: it's there's some old guys on there too, But you're wait,
Speaker 8: fiance comes first, you know, are you gonna come?
Speaker 4: Okay? PEPSI.
Speaker 8: So also he knew you were I mean, I know
Speaker 8: you he you didn't tell anybody I know, but he
Speaker 8: recognized your voice, didn't didn't unmasked singer like ye, I know,
Speaker 8: because I know you didn't tell a soul, right, but
Speaker 8: but I know he reckoned. I feel like he recognized
Speaker 8: your voice when he was watching the show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't tell a soul that he's he's family,
Speaker 6: So I didn't tell a soul. Yeah, but no, all
Speaker 6: the all the all the homies, all of the all
Speaker 6: of the family and people, all of the family knows
Speaker 6: that right away, and he's family.
Speaker 5: That's a good point. If he has a pH D. Now,
Speaker 5: I don't know what happened. What's PhD?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'm looking forward to findings in
Speaker 3: advance on your future job as commissioner.
Speaker 1: Although I'm it's stuck in my head because I have
Speaker 1: just this image of it after you said it, Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald going through the hallway and just randomly like grabbing
Speaker 1: people's fairs to feel weakness points.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's going to give me nightmares.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it happened to me.
Speaker 5: Anybody behavior, But I'm kind of like afraid of that.
Speaker 4: I would be afraid of that to one of the
Speaker 4: man's hands.
Speaker 7: But he would do this like he would go through
Speaker 7: walk through and stuff, and he would like traumatize these
Speaker 7: poor alignment.
Speaker 8: Although but like also Rob Havenstein was telling me it
Speaker 8: made them all better because they were like, oh am,
Speaker 8: I showing that, you know, is that obvious?
Speaker 7: And so I was asking him about it. That's when
Speaker 7: he demonstrated, and I was like, I did not sign.
Speaker 4: Up for this.
Speaker 6: I didn't think this was what I was, you know,
Speaker 6: signing up for when I lasked.
Speaker 1: So we're learning how you went off the snap, how
Speaker 1: you watch the centers, and we're even learning a little
Speaker 1: bit how the greatest of all time one one little
Speaker 1: piece of how he became the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1: He was Kobe Turner's mentor, and now Kobe Turner's has
Speaker 1: taken that mantle with the rams.
Speaker 5: Appreciate the time. This was awesome. It's been a great week.
Speaker 5: You know, it's spending the time to multiple times.
Speaker 6: This one went by very fast, so we have to
Speaker 6: We'll have to run this back sometimes we can.
Speaker 7: We're going to get you in studio. We've talked about this.
Speaker 8: We really want to get you in studio back in
Speaker 8: Los Angeles and all of that.
Speaker 7: It's going to be a lot of fun.
Speaker 5: Let's go appreciate you, Kobe.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 7: Thanks, Kobe.
Speaker 1: All right, that was a lot of fun last week.
Speaker 1: I already both miss New Orleans and I'm very happy.
Speaker 1: My body is happy that I'm back home in rainy
Speaker 1: southern California. And Nick, before we go, I want to
Speaker 1: bring Eric back into the show because I had a
Speaker 1: major mental malfunction. Oh yeah, wrapping up in that trailer.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Time to
Speaker 2: make amends.
Speaker 1: So I go through and I thank everyone for the
Speaker 1: great week, really the great season we had. I'm staring
Speaker 1: straight at my notes because I you know, I did
Speaker 1: make sure. I just didn't. I was didn't want to
Speaker 1: forget anyone in a big moment. But one one name
Speaker 1: I did not write down because I just assume that's obvious.
Speaker 1: You don't need to write down. This name is the
Speaker 1: man that keeps this show on the track, our producer,
Speaker 1: Eric Roberts. No one puts more into this show. And look,
Speaker 1: you did a great job on around the NFL, and
Speaker 1: this shows has been even more on your plate and
Speaker 1: you just handled it and handle it all in like
Speaker 1: the coolest la Hey, it's no big deal, way possible.
Speaker 1: You got your bills. You got your Dodgers winning titles,
Speaker 1: you got your bills winning a lot of games, and
Speaker 1: I felt like such an idiot. Like five minutes after,
Speaker 1: I'm just apologizing to the guy. Eric Roberts. The guy
Speaker 1: should be thanking first. So Eric, you're the man. I
Speaker 1: just needed the listeners to know how much he's the man. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 9: The best part is when you did realize it, and
Speaker 9: I'm like standing in a parking lot trying to get
Speaker 9: files transferred and it's like holding a laptop trying to
Speaker 9: find Wi Fi, and you're like so apologetic. Oh my dude,
Speaker 9: it's okay, it's okay, it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 3: I'm standing there drinking, and I'm drinking an orange juice.
Speaker 3: We're all like on the verge of just careening towards sickness.
Speaker 3: Eric's got his laptop holding it up. It's dark, we're
Speaker 3: outside a trailer. We're in like the back corner of
Speaker 3: where all this setup is. And Greg's like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I can't believe I forgot him. And as he was
Speaker 3: reading those things off, I'm like thinking, did he already
Speaker 3: say it?
Speaker 2: And I just missed it? No, And we totally understood.
Speaker 3: And Eric as always just like dude, no worries, and
Speaker 3: he's more focused on uploading than anything, which is classic Eric.
Speaker 3: The same guy that I saw in the concourse at
Speaker 3: the Superdome twelve hours earlier, who couldn't be happier and
Speaker 3: more excited to take on the day, finishing strong, and
Speaker 3: it just rolls right off his back. He knows Greg,
Speaker 3: he doesn't hear the words of affirmation, and.
Speaker 1: I think you had a great week. You're in that
Speaker 1: ox box, he had those nice seats. It was like,
Speaker 1: it is very cool.
Speaker 5: You know, you.
Speaker 1: Keep this show going. And look, we need to get you.
Speaker 1: We need to get you a full time job. I'm
Speaker 1: just putting this out there publicly. Yeah, I don't care
Speaker 1: the NFL manifest it not coming correct. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And I just appreciate you and everything you do. And
Speaker 1: Chris Babona and Gavin Cansell who came in late in
Speaker 1: the season. Chris was about half way through. Obviously, Randy
Speaker 1: Chavez contributed a ton to this show and we thanked
Speaker 1: him when he left. But Chris and Gavin we're back
Speaker 1: in LA helping with the edits and working really hard
Speaker 1: and obviously filling in for Eric too when necessary. So
Speaker 1: they were awesome all year long. But yeah, we're not
Speaker 1: We're not done. Like I said, we got a show
Speaker 1: on Friday. I actually saw a note on Threads by
Speaker 1: Tom Brady. We can we can put that up if
Speaker 1: you're watching on YouTube, and he just he sends it
Speaker 1: out how long until football season? And I just wanted
Speaker 1: to say, officially, Nick, football is not back. It's too old.
Speaker 1: You can't ask that.
Speaker 2: You're right, it's uh, we have officially hit the is it?
Speaker 2: Is it true? The off season is that thing?
Speaker 1: It's actually greg season. We're going with this free agency period,
Speaker 1: but no football. Sorry, Tom, that was that was too premature.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you're getting paid to like
Speaker 1: still post on Threads. I only saw that because you
Speaker 1: know on instat they put the little messages in between,
Speaker 1: and I was like, how I was thinking how much
Speaker 1: percentage of Threads traffic is just from people clicking on that,
Speaker 1: because that's one hundred percent of my Threads involvement over
Speaker 1: the last few years. I'm like, well, maybe that'd be
Speaker 1: good for the show. Let's click on Tom Brady there, it's.
Speaker 3: My traffic as well, and you know what. I'll say this,
Speaker 3: We've all earned a bit of a break, but NFL
Speaker 3: Daily does not stop, and football may not be back,
Speaker 3: but it's right around the corner.
Speaker 2: So don't you worry. We'll be here the whole time
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we have a lot of great shows planned.
Speaker 1: I was really excited because the daily format offers us
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of attack it in a different way.
Speaker 1: I used to do it with writing, with all these
Speaker 1: different articles of who's going to get cut? Like today
Speaker 1: the tag primer, We're going to talk about some trades
Speaker 1: coming up, We're going to do some off season previews.
Speaker 1: Really excited for all that that's coming up in the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. As we head to the Combine too,
Speaker 1: that's only a week and a half away. I can't
Speaker 1: freaking believe it. Yes, for Eric killing it all year long,
Speaker 1: and Chris and Gavin and Nick, you don't you don't
Speaker 1: even seem like you're you're playing hurt. Yeah, when Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers has burned bridges with a new team, it's sick.
Speaker 1: Oh season, It's Greg's season.
Speaker 8: H m hm.