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Speaker 1: is One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive. I'm John

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Speaker 1: Murphy coming from beautiful and I mean beautiful Archer Park,

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Speaker 1: Joe Bascallia, sports director at ww TV Channel seven in Buffalo, Hello, Joe,

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Speaker 1: what's up Murph? No, uh no tanking by the weather

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Speaker 1: here until three. John Murphy job Bascalla Folk confession. I

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Speaker 1: think that left guard spot is going to come down

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Speaker 1: Feliciano has the background with offensive line coach Bobby Johnson

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Speaker 1: and as you pointed out a couple of days ago,

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Speaker 1: to Wood, and you believe in them. So Feliciano is

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Speaker 1: a Bobby Johnson guy, and so I would tend to

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Speaker 1: think he probably has a chance to win that job.

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Speaker 1: This keeps Dion Dawkins at left tackle, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: convinced he ends there to start the season. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: have to have a big spring, big training camp. I

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Speaker 1: think the odds are probably in that favor. But that

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Speaker 1: right guard spot. By drafting a young guard, let's say

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Speaker 1: anywhere between rounds two and four, you you bring in

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Speaker 1: a player that can potentially be a starter for you

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Speaker 1: on a rookie deal over the next four seasons, someone

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Speaker 1: with a lot of upside. And you also are able

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Speaker 1: to shift Spencer Long into your key reserve interior spot,

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Speaker 1: and by doing so you could move on from both

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Speaker 1: Ladukas and Russell Bodine, save yourself about four and a

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Speaker 1: half million on the cat and and and then have

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Speaker 1: Adrian waddleby your swing tackle guy. So I like this

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Speaker 1: lineup quite a bit, to be honest, this is probably

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Speaker 1: my favorite of the variations that I did. Let mean

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Speaker 1: talk about my number one offensive line depth and Joe

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Speaker 1: and I we're just kind of spitballing here, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're just trying to figure out what it might look

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Speaker 1: like in my possible offensive line depth chart. My number

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Speaker 1: one choice, I had Dion Dawkins staying at left tackle.

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Speaker 1: I had Whyatt Teller at left guard. I'll get back

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Speaker 1: to that in a second Morset center. I think Spencer

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Speaker 1: Long might have a starting role to play, and I

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Speaker 1: would put him the right to guard Tian Secky. Joe

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Speaker 1: and I both had him with our first choice at

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Speaker 1: right tackle. Wyatt Teller is look, he started at the

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Speaker 1: end of last year. He was he was okay. Joe, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they'd like to be better than Wyatt Teller,

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Speaker 1: But I put him there just as sort of a holdover,

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Speaker 1: you know, the incumbent, I guess, not knowing exactly what

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Speaker 1: they're going to get from a John Feliciano. But I

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Speaker 1: see your point about Feliciano. I can see that happen

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Speaker 1: in a yeah it I mean with Wyatt Teller his season,

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Speaker 1: once he was inserted into the starting lineup, it was

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Speaker 1: four games, and then coming back and being steady near

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Speaker 1: the end of the season. And you know, while it's

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Speaker 1: good to see that progress and him coming back to

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Speaker 1: his original level from when he first entered the starting lineup,

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Speaker 1: you also have to wonder are those same mistakes that

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Speaker 1: he made going to be amplified in two nineteen because

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Speaker 1: they offensive I'm sorry, defensive lines out there now have

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Speaker 1: tape on him. They know what he does, what he

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Speaker 1: doesn't do well, and how to best attack him because

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Speaker 1: they can see what best gets to him. And that

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Speaker 1: was part of the reason why Dion Dawkins struggled so

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Speaker 1: and and he has to kind of change his game

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Speaker 1: And the same thing with Wyatt Teller. So that's why

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Speaker 1: if you have a veteran like John Feliciano, who has

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Speaker 1: starred in games in the NFL before, at the very least,

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Speaker 1: Teller is going to have to beat him for a

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Speaker 1: job for that left guard spot, because Feliciano plays left guard.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that was his role in Oakland. And uh

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Speaker 1: and so maybe Teller fix uh you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: as well. But uh, but yeah, he's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: win that job, no doubt. He's a former fifth round

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Speaker 1: pick from a year ago and got the you know

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Speaker 1: what seven starts last year, I believe, And I think

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Speaker 1: with Teller, I think what might catch up with him

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Speaker 1: are the limitations that let him slip to the fifth round.

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Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, athletically physically, Um, big

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Speaker 1: strong guy. I don't know how athletic or or you know,

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Speaker 1: at kind of footspeed he might have. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's got a great length. Uh and you don't

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Speaker 1: need a ton of length to play guard. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's definitely something to watch. Let's get to Joe's second

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Speaker 1: iteration of what the Bills where it starts going off

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Speaker 1: the rouse a little bit. Joe's second offensive line depth chart.

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Speaker 1: He's got a left tackle at rookie. That'll be interesting.

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Speaker 1: John Felicianold the free agent addition at left guard morsets center.

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Speaker 1: I think we all every one of our options had

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Speaker 1: more morset center. He's got Dion Dawkins at right guard

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Speaker 1: and Tian Secki at right tackle. Ye, so the two

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Speaker 1: big changes. A rookie steps in takes over the left

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Speaker 1: tackle spot for Dion Dawkins, that's gotta be a first

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Speaker 1: round rookie. I think this is a very specific scenario

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Speaker 1: because if the Bills were to trade down, I think

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Speaker 1: that puts themselves in the realm to take an offensive

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Speaker 1: tackle um like a guy like Andre Dillard, who I

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Speaker 1: really like out of Washington State, whose super athletics shows

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Speaker 1: really great footwork and on his kickslide and I'm pass blocking,

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Speaker 1: not as I guess, well, well, Doc hemented as a

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Speaker 1: run blocker because they didn't run it a ton at

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Speaker 1: Washington State. But still that that would be the kind

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Speaker 1: of guy that I'm thinking about to to fit in

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Speaker 1: at left tackle. And then because Tie and Secki I

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Speaker 1: think is probably a starter on this team. That's that

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Speaker 1: would just be my read on it. He showed well

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Speaker 1: enough in his UM in all the places that he's

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Speaker 1: But Dion Dawkins, I think he could go from average

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Speaker 1: to slightly below average tackle to above average to good guard,

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Speaker 1: and that might wind up being his best spot along

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Speaker 1: the line. And if you can salvage a guard all while,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you definitely need a left tackle, don't get

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Speaker 1: me wrong. Um, And if they don't end up getting

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Speaker 1: one in the draft, at in the first or second round,

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Speaker 1: then then you don't do this. But if you are

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Speaker 1: able to get one of those guys, then I'm there.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot worse scenarios for Dion Dawkins than

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Speaker 1: to kick inside to guard, because I think he could

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Speaker 1: have a pretty lucrative career in there. Interesting interesting flip

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Speaker 1: there at left tackle. Let me talk about my second

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Speaker 1: I guess my second stabbed and possible offensive line chart,

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Speaker 1: and I made to a few changes here and left tackle,

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Speaker 1: I've got la Adrian Waddle, who had spots starts for

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. I think he's got a little

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Speaker 1: you know, he's got experienced a little bit of experience,

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Speaker 1: and I think maybe he becomes an option there at

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Speaker 1: left tackle for the Bills, and I move A Dawkins

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Speaker 1: to the right side. Look, I don't think they have

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Speaker 1: an emergency situation with Dawkins that they have to solve.

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Speaker 1: I really don't. I think he had a down year based,

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Speaker 1: you know, compared to his rookie year. I think I'd

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Speaker 1: be okay if he were the starting left tackle. But

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Speaker 1: if you believe that you can do better there, and

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for options, I think Ladrian Waddle might

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Speaker 1: be at least a possible option there at left tackle.

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Speaker 1: The other change I made in my second possible lineup

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Speaker 1: Russell Bodin, and that is a salute and a nod

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Speaker 1: to his proud veteran status as a guy who's played

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Speaker 1: in this league, started in this league for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Uh struggled clearly and then got hurt last year. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm ready to write him off yet.

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Speaker 1: I think he still might have something to offer on

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, certainly as a potential swing guy inside

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Speaker 1: What do you think of that about? My only problem

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Speaker 1: with that on Bodine is I don't know that I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen him play guard. Yeah. Um, he was started

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Speaker 1: center all those years for Cincinnati. He was a center

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Speaker 1: by trade coming out of college from North Carolina. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just not to say he couldn't do it. That's

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Speaker 1: just not what he's been built at. And even when

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Speaker 1: you know the Bills were going through and having having

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Speaker 1: Ryan Groy starting right off the bat in twenty and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: it Bodine wasn't the swing interior guy he was. He

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Speaker 1: Castillo thing because there's some new blood at offensive line

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Speaker 1: only potential hang up there, and that lack of versatility

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Speaker 1: this roster. That's that's just my thought. I acknowledge that

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Speaker 1: Joe had one more stab added his depth chart at

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Speaker 1: number three and will let him talk about this right here.

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Speaker 1: So Joe's third potential offensive line, Oh yeah, get tired,

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Speaker 1: getting weird. He's got Tyan Seki at left tackle, Dion

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Speaker 1: Dawkins at left guard, Mitch Moore sit center, Spencer Long

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Speaker 1: at right guard, and a rookie at right tackle. Basically

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Speaker 1: you've flipped the rookie and a ski at the tackle spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, essentially, and I think the right guard might

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Speaker 1: be different. Yeah yeah, um, But that that is again

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Speaker 1: going back to my Dawkins theory about him potentially being

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Speaker 1: a good guard. I would I just want our different

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Speaker 1: variations from what you had truth be told because I

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Speaker 1: saw your first But you know, tayan Secki has shown

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Speaker 1: an ability to play at left tackle and do it

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Speaker 1: pretty well. Um. This is also in a scenario that

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Speaker 1: they are able to get a guy like let's say

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Speaker 1: they draft Juwan Taylor at ninth overall from Florida, or

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Speaker 1: they get Dalton Reisner out of Kansas State at forty

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Speaker 1: or maybe even the third round if he lasts that long.

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Speaker 1: So this is specific to adding an offensive lineman within

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Speaker 1: the first three rounds with a substantial pick. Now again,

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Speaker 1: with Dawkins, I think he could have a really nice

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Speaker 1: future inside a guard. That was kind of the way

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Speaker 1: teams were leaning on him as a prospect, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know that I want to dismiss those notions. He

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Speaker 1: struggles in some areas that could be solved by flipping inside,

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Speaker 1: and that's why I think it could be beneficial for

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Speaker 1: all parties. If you think, if you're a deep thinker

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Speaker 1: about the Bills, this offensive line puzzle is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and we must at this point stop and

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Speaker 1: really acknowledge and thank the Buffalo Bills for adding not one,

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Speaker 1: not two, but five free agent offensive line for our

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Speaker 1: Seki and Feliciano when Morrison, Waddle and Long gives, you know,

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Speaker 1: before we even get to the draft picks who are

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Speaker 1: coming up. And Joe's done a pretty extensive study of

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Speaker 1: the top offensive line draft prospects. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: in just a moment. We want to get you involved

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Speaker 1: to a very simple question for the Buffalo Bills as

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Speaker 1: them in this year's draft is an offensive line or

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Speaker 1: We'll start talking about it and some of the offensive

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Speaker 1: from you. We're talking about the offensive line defensive line.

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Speaker 1: We talked about receivers the other day. The Bills may

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Speaker 1: go that way in the first round. But what's more

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Speaker 1: important to the Bills in this year's draft? Offensive line

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Speaker 1: or defensive line. On the Twitter poll, fifty eight percent

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Speaker 1: of you say offensive line, forty two percent say defensive line.

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Speaker 1: Give us a call to discuss eight oh three five

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Speaker 1: fifty toll free one eight eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty Joe. If they go offensive line with their

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Speaker 1: first pick, and if that pick is number nine, not

650
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Speaker 1: necessarily it will be is there who would belong up

651
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Speaker 1: that high top ten offensive line prospects in this year's draft, Well,

652
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Speaker 1: it would probably be Juwan Taylor, the Florida right tackle.

653
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Speaker 1: And I mean he checks, you know, cliche. He checks

654
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Speaker 1: a lot of the boxes right for NFL teams. When

655
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Speaker 1: you see his size six foot five three twelve, his

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Speaker 1: arm length which is a iculous thirty five and an

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Speaker 1: eighth of an inch. And then you just look at

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Speaker 1: I mean he's turning twenty two and eight months still

659
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Speaker 1: you look at his power against the run, his smoothness

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Speaker 1: against the past, his ability to kick slide out against

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Speaker 1: um speed guys. When when you have all of those traits,

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Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, this is a guy that you can

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Speaker 1: plug in immediately and have him be a starter for

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Speaker 1: your team. No one's gonna bully him off the ball.

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Speaker 1: They might be able to get around him a little

666
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Speaker 1: bit because he does lack a little athleticism. He's not

667
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Speaker 1: going to be the guy to really get out in

668
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Speaker 1: front of screens and punish people that that you might

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Speaker 1: want out of tackles. But I mean he does everything

670
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Speaker 1: else really good, really well, and it's just very very

671
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Speaker 1: smooth player and I can see why teams would like him.

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Speaker 1: I have my hangups about drafting a right tackle in

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Speaker 1: the top ten. Is it possible for him to play

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Speaker 1: the left side? And see, I just haven't seen it.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. I mean, I suppose both. I mean,

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Speaker 1: players can do just about anything if they have enough reps,

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Speaker 1: or at least they can give themselves all the ability

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Speaker 1: to do it. My only concern is is that it's

679
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Speaker 1: a lot bigger of a transition than people think it is.

680
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: It's it's not as simple. A lot of it is

681
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Speaker 1: muscle memory. So if you spend all of this time

682
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Speaker 1: doing a kick slide with your right leg and now

683
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Speaker 1: you have to do it with your left leg. I

684
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Speaker 1: mean not to say it's impossible, it's just there's gonna

685
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Speaker 1: be a learning curve there and you're not going to

686
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Speaker 1: have the success that you might have had if you

687
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Speaker 1: just get plugged into the spot that you've been doing

688
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Speaker 1: all throughout your career. So that's why, That's why I

689
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Speaker 1: think for him, his spot with this team would probably

690
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Speaker 1: be a right tackle, but they would if they're drafting him,

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Speaker 1: they better think that there's could be a chance he

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Speaker 1: could play left, especially in the top ten, whether or

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Speaker 1: not the Bills too. Jowan Taylor, is he a legitimate

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Speaker 1: top ten pick? Just answer my question. No, it's I'm

695
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Speaker 1: hesitating just because I still need to do work at

696
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Speaker 1: other positions, John, but I do have him graded pretty well.

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Speaker 1: I would probably if I'm the Bills, I'd probably stay

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Speaker 1: away just because I think you can get more value

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Speaker 1: at a different position. But and I don't know that

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Speaker 1: the drop off between him and say, Adalton Reisner is

701
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Speaker 1: just so extreme to where you can sit there and go, oh, man,

702
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Speaker 1: we should have gotten Joan Taylor. Yeah, honestly, I think

703
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Speaker 1: if they were to trade down and get him, then

704
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Speaker 1: I'd be on board. But I think there's a chance

705
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Speaker 1: he's not even on the board for them at nine,

706
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Speaker 1: which is kind of ridiculous. But you've got a guy

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Speaker 1: like Dave Getleman out there who values the big hog

708
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Speaker 1: mollies as he calls them. You've got the Jags, led

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Speaker 1: by Doug Marone and Tom Coughlin, who love their offensive

710
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Speaker 1: lineman and who need offensive lineman seemingly every single year.

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Speaker 1: So there's a couple of teams that that could take

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Speaker 1: him ahead of ahead of the Bills if they even

713
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Speaker 1: wanted him. Joe Mascote with us breaking down some of

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Speaker 1: the offensive line prospects for the Bill in the draft.

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Speaker 1: As we ask you the question, where would you go?

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Speaker 1: What do the Bills need most? Offensive line help? Defensive

717
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Speaker 1: line help? Andre Dillard Washington State. Is he your second

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Speaker 1: best offensive linemen tackle? He's actually my favorite, the best

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Speaker 1: of the bunch. Well, the potential for him is great,

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Speaker 1: and it's also a mix of potential plus what you

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Speaker 1: see on film already. I mean, they've pass a lot

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Speaker 1: at Washington State, and he is so effortless and smooth

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Speaker 1: in kick slides to get back and when when you

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Speaker 1: have all of these different little aspects to his game

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Speaker 1: that are tough to teach, especially against speed rushers that

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Speaker 1: he goes up against um and because they're there, he's

727
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Speaker 1: getting their quarterback is getting pass rushed almost every single snap.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's someone that brings a lot to

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Speaker 1: the table for me. He impressed me a lot at

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl in in you know, getting up to

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Speaker 1: the competition and a bit of a different scheme. I

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Speaker 1: think he probably should be a top ten pick, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he will be. The only hang

734
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Speaker 1: up with him is that you don't know what he's

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Speaker 1: going to be as a run blocker, just because he

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Speaker 1: hasn't really done it as much. And secondly, his arm

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Speaker 1: length isn't great. It's thirty three and a half. Ideally

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Speaker 1: you want thirty four, and so there might be a

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Speaker 1: little bit of an issue there with going up against

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Speaker 1: some quicker guys around the left side that he might

741
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Speaker 1: not be able to reach out and get a hand on.

742
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Speaker 1: But that said, I mean his feet are so good

743
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Speaker 1: that it compensates for it. Tackled Jonah Williams Alabama, is

744
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Speaker 1: he's a first round prospect right somewhere. Yeah, but I

745
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Speaker 1: think he's a guard I really do. I like Jonah

746
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Speaker 1: Williams a lot. He has production. He plays a little

747
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: out of control at times, but it's also part of

748
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Speaker 1: him too, because he loves to finish a block like

749
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Speaker 1: fans will love watching him watching him play. I just

750
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: he also suffers the same thing as Andrei Dillard. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think his athleticism and his kickslide as are

752
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Speaker 1: as good as what Dillard is. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: as smooth a player as as Dillard. And there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of times that you'll see, or at least a

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Speaker 1: few times that you see Jonah Williams, you know, lunge

756
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: a little bit, puts his head down, and that's that's

757
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: the automatic. All right, you're done because the defensive lineman

758
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: sees that and he's going to rip you down and

759
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: he's pasted you. He ends up on the ground a

760
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Speaker 1: lot o which is why I think a lot like

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Speaker 1: what our discussion with Dion Dawkins. A lot of these

762
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: issues with Jonah Williams because he's so good at run blocking.

763
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: He punishes people in the run game. All all of

764
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: those issues that I'm talking about could be solved by

765
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Speaker 1: flipping him inside and he could be, you know, a

766
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Speaker 1: top five to seven guard in the NFL if if

767
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Speaker 1: he does it. But he wants to be a tackle.

768
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: He made that abundantly clear at the combine um. But

769
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Speaker 1: I honestly think his best fit is inside. What he

770
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: got for a size on him, Joa Williams. He is

771
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Speaker 1: six four three zero two with thirty three and five

772
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Speaker 1: eighth inch arm. Okay, hey, you mentioned how much you

773
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Speaker 1: like the Boston College offensive lineman Chris Lidstrom. You look

774
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Speaker 1: at him as a guard or at tackle guard he played.

775
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Speaker 1: He played right guard at Boston College. I loved how

776
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Speaker 1: just how comfortable he was. He was always in control.

777
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Speaker 1: He athletic. More athletic players will get him from time

778
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: to time, That's that's for sure. But he shows good

779
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Speaker 1: athleticism in terms of being able to pull out in

780
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Speaker 1: front of run plays and things like that. He's gonna

781
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Speaker 1: be good in the screen game. He's got a really

782
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: good feel for combination blocks and you see him down

783
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Speaker 1: in that kind of second tier. This is why I

784
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Speaker 1: like him, because you can bring him in and he

785
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: can be a starter for you right away. If if

786
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Speaker 1: you want to take him at fortieth overall, that way,

787
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Speaker 1: you have good value there. You have a potential starter,

788
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Speaker 1: and you have someone that will be on a rookie

789
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Speaker 1: deal for the next four years that you know is

790
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: going to start for you. So I like Lindstrom quite

791
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: a bit. I think there's even a chance he sneaks

792
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Speaker 1: into the first round because there's a lot of teams

793
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Speaker 1: at the end of the first round, like the Vikings,

794
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: like the Texans, that need a lot of work done

795
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Speaker 1: on their offensive line. Hey, I'm speaking of second tier

796
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Speaker 1: a guy that we both saw at the Senior Bowl,

797
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: Dalton Risner that I know the Bills talked to him

798
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl as well, a second tier maybe

799
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Right, and you tell me what you said,

800
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Speaker 1: did you say you view him as a guard as well? No,

801
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Speaker 1: I actually think he can play tackle or guard. He's

802
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Speaker 1: a right tackle. If he's a tackle, Uh, he's definitely

803
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Speaker 1: not a left tackle. I don't think um second second,

804
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: maybe late second, early third. Um, he's got great size. Obviously,

805
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 1: he's almost six foot five, just an eighth and minute short,

806
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: three twelve thirty four inch arms, so the prototype is

807
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: there for the arms. Um, he's nasty like he wants

808
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: to finish his blocks all the time, and he gets

809
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Speaker 1: into some battles. I Uh, who'd I watch him against? UM?

810
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: I watched him against. It'll come back to me UM

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Speaker 1: a pass rusher at a pretty good pass rusher, and

812
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Speaker 1: you know it was a good fight all the way through. UM.

813
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Speaker 1: So for Reisner, I think his biggest hang up will

814
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Speaker 1: be not having his footwork match what he's doing with

815
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Speaker 1: the upper body. And there will be some times where

816
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: you see him end up on the ground and that's

817
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: just part of him. But once he gets a little

818
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Speaker 1: bit more smooth, gets a little bit more comfortable, I

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Speaker 1: think he could be a solid, solid starting right tackle

820
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Speaker 1: and a pretty good guard if if you want to

821
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Speaker 1: flip him inside. Talk to him briefly at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 1: He was kind of awesome. He's awesome a lot. He's

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Speaker 1: he's all in on Buffalo too, from from what I

824
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Speaker 1: from what I recall he's saying at the Senior Bowl. Hey,

825
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Speaker 1: any thoughts on Garrett Bradbury, North Carolina State interior guy.

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Speaker 1: Mostly huh yeah, he's he's a center and he'll be

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Speaker 1: gone in the first twenty picks. Convinced of it. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: Buffalo doesn't well, I mean he did. I mean, if

829
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Speaker 1: you want to take him at nine then and change

830
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Speaker 1: him to guard. But he's a center, and he's a

831
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Speaker 1: really darn good center. He's probably gonna come in and

832
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Speaker 1: be a top ten center in the league for a

833
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Speaker 1: long time. He's he's just so smooth, so so dynamite.

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Speaker 1: I mean I remember watching him not really knowing a

835
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Speaker 1: ton about these prospects going into the Senior Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: he stood out like a sword thomb. He was awesome

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Speaker 1: all week. Joe, I've been thinking, and I actually heard

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks say this, I think on our show at

839
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Speaker 1: the Combine. Quentin Nelson's success in Indy has added to

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Speaker 1: the cache about interior offensive lineman. Don't you think it has?

841
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: It has? But I will say there's only one Quentin Nelson, right,

842
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: and he had both the potential of being the All

843
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: Pro along with the game to back it up right away.

844
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Speaker 1: A lot of these times you either have one or

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Speaker 1: the other where you have the results within the confines

846
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Speaker 1: of the college football season, but not the potential for

847
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Speaker 1: a higher ceiling, or you're more of a potential guy

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00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: and the results exactly weren't there, and teams want to

849
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: project more than anything. He's a melding of both those things,

850
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: and he came in and was just an all star

851
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: right away for the Colts. But the interior is also important,

852
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: which is why you're going to see more guys get

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Speaker 1: picked in the late first round, early second round, because

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Speaker 1: there is a huge importance from teams to try and

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Speaker 1: stop the interior pass rushers of the world, because it's

856
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Speaker 1: becoming more and more of a phenomenon within the NFL.

857
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Speaker 1: And for the Bills, look, I think they're going to

858
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Speaker 1: draft an offensive linemen. I don't know if it's going

859
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Speaker 1: to be first round. I'd be surprised if it. We're

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Speaker 1: top ten, you know, number nine, where they sit now.

861
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Speaker 1: But even with the addition of the five new offensive linemen,

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Speaker 1: they are likely to choose somewhere someone along the yeah

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Speaker 1: line among their ten picks. And I think they needed

864
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Speaker 1: an infusion of youth and to develop someone outside of

865
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Speaker 1: Wyatt telleranteon Dawkins, I do yeah, all right, we're taking

866
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Speaker 1: a break. We're coming back with more and get some

867
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Speaker 1: of your thoughts. We'll go to the tweet sheet, maybe

868
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Speaker 1: get to the phone calls when we return. So we

869
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Speaker 1: talk about the Bills. Is an offensive line or defensive line?

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Speaker 1: What do they need most? Give us a call. One

871
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health from One Bill's Drive.

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00:42:48,600 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back. It's One Bills Live.

873
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm John Murphy. This is Joe Viscaldy. He's in for

874
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Speaker 1: the vacation Steve Tasker. Steve will be back next Monday.

875
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: What a vacation for Steve. I'm so inspired by Steve's

876
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: lengthy time off Joe that today I spent a few

877
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: a few minutes, probably an hour or so, planning my

878
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: own summer vacation time. I'm gonna put Steve to Shane. Oh,

879
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna forget what I look like. I'm gonna be gone.

880
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: So no, I'm just kidding. I'm looking forward to it though. Yeah.

881
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: And the sunshine helps today as well. Oh yeah, it's

882
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: it always spurs on the thoughts like, oh, what if

883
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: it was thirty degrees warmer? Exactly? Yay, it's not that

884
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: much of a transfer. Hey, we're talking about the Bills

885
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: and what you think about the there I guess priorities

886
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: should be in the upcoming draft. What's more important to

887
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Speaker 1: the Bills in the twenty nineteen draft defensive line? Offensive line.

888
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: We've given you our scenarios for what the offensive line

889
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: might look like now and getting ready for an opening

890
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: day this September. We've also Joe's gone through a pretty

891
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: extensive research that he's done already, film study of the

892
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Speaker 1: offensive line prospects. One more Cody Forward that said, yeah,

893
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: Cody Ford real quick because an we're up against it.

894
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: But Cody Ford, Um, he was their right tackle at

895
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma the past couple of years. A big guy, six

896
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Speaker 1: three three twenty nine. He can definitely play right tackle

897
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Speaker 1: for you. But I think his weakness is getting moved

898
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Speaker 1: back by some speed guys. And if if you get

899
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: him moving, you can you can get by him and

900
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Speaker 1: you could even knock him over. Um. So that's why

901
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot like what I was talking about

902
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Speaker 1: with Jonah Williams, with Dean Dawkins, those problems can get

903
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Speaker 1: alleviated if you move him inside to guard where he

904
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Speaker 1: doesn't have to deal with the speed element as much. Um.

905
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Speaker 1: So I like him as a player. I think he's

906
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Speaker 1: gonna be a first pick, first round pick, but but

907
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Speaker 1: I don't know that he's necessarily the right tackle that

908
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Speaker 1: you might be looking for. Is this overall a good,

909
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: better than average class of offensive lineman where you think?

910
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: I think it's about average to slightly above average. Um,

911
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Speaker 1: they don't have a top end guy. I don't think,

912
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Speaker 1: like like a Quentin Nelson last year. But Dillard is,

913
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Speaker 1: Like I said, Dillard is my top guy from Washington State.

914
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Speaker 1: It was Nelson right before the Bills. He was chosen

915
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Speaker 1: last year. Right he went to the Colts at eight.

916
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Speaker 1: It might six six six, Yeah, we'll go back. Then

917
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: the Bills moved up to seven seven, that's right. Yeah,

918
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: there you go. Hey, what's more important to the Bills

919
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Speaker 1: in the twenty nineteen draft? Let us know what you think.

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Speaker 1: On the tweet sheet from Billers, we asked what's more

921
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: important to the Bills this year? Biller says it was

922
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Speaker 1: the offensive line before free agency. Now my eyes are

923
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Speaker 1: on the defensive tackles and pass rush specialists. The one

924
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Speaker 1: question I have is how far down in the draft

925
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Speaker 1: can you go to get an effective outside pass rusher

926
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Speaker 1: compared to interior alignment. The answer to the answer to

927
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: that question will determine the first round for me. That

928
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Speaker 1: sounds like a sound draft strategy. Yep. I would say, Billers,

929
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Speaker 1: how low can you go to get a good pass

930
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: rusher before you're passing by some good defensive alignment? What

931
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Speaker 1: do you think? I also think you have to consider

932
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Speaker 1: how low you can go and still get a quality

933
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Speaker 1: pass rusher because there, while there's still good prospects and

934
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Speaker 1: we're going to get into him in the next hour,

935
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Speaker 1: like like a Brian Burns, like a Cleveland Ferrell out

936
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Speaker 1: of Clemson that you can get by trading down, there's

937
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: also some hang ups there for me to where some

938
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Speaker 1: of these other guys that might be available to you

939
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: at nine are probably a lot more worth your time

940
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: and potential higher impact guys. So and then when you

941
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Speaker 1: add offensive line into the equation, I mean, if you're

942
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Speaker 1: moving down, I think the percentage of them going offensive

943
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Speaker 1: line probably goes up if it's between the OH line

944
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Speaker 1: and D line. Interesting question, of good question. We'll talk

945
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Speaker 1: more about that and take more of your questions. You're

946
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Speaker 1: welcome to tile us up eight oh three oh five

947
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Speaker 1: fifty or twelve three one eight eight eight, five fifty

948
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Speaker 1: two five fifty. Send it a tweet vote on our

949
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: Twitter poll. What's more important to the Bills in the

950
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen offensive or the twenty nineteen NFL Draft Offensive

951
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: line or defensive line. We're gonna take a break for

952
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: the top of the hour. When we come back, it

953
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: is time for Charles Davis, is draft analysts for the

954
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: NFL Network. We'll get his take on this and about

955
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: overall draft prospects that's coming up when we turn one.

956
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: Bills Live presented by Kalada Health from One Bill's Drive.

957
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio Bills Radio Network story some days.

958
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: Update comes from One Bill's Drive. The Buffalo Bills reportedly

959
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: have a free agent in for a visit this week.

960
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: According to NFL Network, the Bills are hosting free agent

961
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: defensive back Maurice Alexander, fourth round pick of the Rams

962
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: five years ago, played for Seattle last season. He's played

963
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: both safety positions, but he's primarily a special teamer. Bills,

964
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: with their new special team coach Heath Farewell, auditioning talent. Apparently,

965
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: Maurice Alexander reportedly in for a free agent visit this

966
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: week for the Buffalo Bills. Former Bills quarterback AJ McCarron

967
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: has signed on to be the backup quarterback at the

968
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: Houston Texans, til back up to Shawn Watson. The deal

969
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: one year, three million dollars. McCarron will backup Watson, backed

970
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: up last year by Brandon Whedon and Joe Webb. Former

971
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: Alabama standout let's played a total of just twelve games

972
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: in the NFL. The Dallas Cowboys filled a need by

973
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: a green to a one year contract with veteran wide

974
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: receiver Randall Cobb. He is expected to fill the slot

975
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 1: vacated by Cole Beasley signed on with the Buffalo Bills.

976
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: Cobb's deal worth five million dollars, according to ESPN. After

977
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: ten years with the Green Bay Packers, linebacker Claim Matthews

978
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: has agreed to terms with the Los Angeles Rams a

979
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: two year contract. Matthews grew up in southern California, was

980
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: a walk on at USC and the New York Giants

981
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 1: brass looking at Ohio State quarterback Dwayne Haskins. Ohio States

982
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 1: Pro Day is today. NFL Network says the top decision

983
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: makers for the Giants met with Haskins for dinner last night,

984
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: including coach Pat Shermer, offensive coordinator Mike Schula, and others.

985
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: College basketball, the NCAA Tournament began last night with two

986
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: games in the first four. Two more tonight at six

987
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: forty North Carolina Central plays North Dakota State. That game

988
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: in Dayton, Ohio. Coming up at about ten pm tonight,

989
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: it's the Red Storm of Saint John up against Arizona State.

990
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: The winner of that game heads to Tulsa to play

991
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: the ub Bulls on Friday afternoon. Savers home against Toronto.

992
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: Maple leaves tonight seven o'clock faceoff at key Bank Center,

993
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: jack Ico with fifteen points and twelve career games against

994
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: Toronto and the baseball season. The Sunderway Seattle beat the

995
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: Oakland A's nine to seven today in the Major League

996
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: Baseball opener. That game played in Tokyo. And that's the

997
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 1: update from One Bill's Drive. John Murphy and Joba Scalia

998
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: Joe's Enforstein Tasker coming to you from our One Buffalo

999
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: studio in Orchard Park, talking a lot about the draft

1000
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: five weeks away and joining us right now is NFL

1001
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: Network Draft analyst Charles Davis, also an analyst on the

1002
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Speaker 1: NFL on Fox med and NFL commentator Charles John Murphy

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Speaker 1: and Job Scotty here in Buffalo. Thank you for joining

1004
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: us today, sir, Thanks for having me. How are you

1005
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: guys today? We're going well, the sun is shining in

1006
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 1: Orchard Park and the draft approaches, so we're pretty excited. Yeah,

1007
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: how about that. I'm sitting here in my home office

1008
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: at and watch at the Ohio State Pro Day up

1009
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: on the TV. It's an amazing where we've come in

1010
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: terms of this scouting, evaluating, you know, showing these things.

1011
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: And I just think back to probably heck ten years ago,

1012
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Speaker 1: talking to a bunch of NFL guys say you know something,

1013
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna televise pro days, and imagining the looks coming

1014
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: back to what why why would you do that? I

1015
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: mean it started to look the combine was met with

1016
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: that type of reaction initially. Look what it's become. Now

1017
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Speaker 1: we're televising pro days all across the board. Never thought

1018
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Speaker 1: we'd get there. It just continues to go. And I'll

1019
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Speaker 1: finish with this. As a young kid, I used to

1020
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Speaker 1: read a lot and I still try to. I remember

1021
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: reading about what scouting was like in the early days

1022
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Speaker 1: of the NFL as the draft began, and even all

1023
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Speaker 1: the way probably through the fifties and sixties, the scouting

1024
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: wasn't what it is now. A lot of times people

1025
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: would bring in Street and Smith's magazine from the previous year.

1026
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Speaker 1: Who was an All American and who was a senior,

1027
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: He must be a good player, Let's draft it. And

1028
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Speaker 1: that's how a lot of those things went. Yeah, and

1029
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Speaker 1: what happened there, Charles, Is it the money just made

1030
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: everything more important? Or did it just made make everything

1031
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: more valuable? I guess the information more valuable. I think

1032
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Speaker 1: all of that, Murph, I think every bit of that.

1033
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Speaker 1: You know, when when you're starting to have that kind

1034
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: of money involved and what winning brings you. Now in

1035
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: the NFL, of course, one of the best things they

1036
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: did was they divided the money of TV equally so

1037
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: that everyone had a chance. But now scouting is even

1038
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: more important because you guys, know, the NFL is actually

1039
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: set up for everyone to start the season eight and eight.

1040
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Speaker 1: Which side are you going to go on of the

1041
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: eight and eight? You know, so the scouting, the drafting,

1042
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Speaker 1: the developing, getting those players. Look, we know, look, at

1043
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Speaker 1: one point there was territorial rights, you know, right now,

1044
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: Hyree Jackson and Anthony Johnson, the receiver from Buffalo, they

1045
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: would be headed to Bill's camp. There wouldn't be any

1046
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: if and or butts about it. We don't have that.

1047
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: We haven't had it for a long time, and I

1048
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing for everyone. But it just

1049
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: tells you how all this has evolved. But that's scouting,

1050
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: that getting the right players, getting through free agency, building

1051
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: a franchise, building a team. You've got to have the

1052
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: edge as best you can because, as you guys know,

1053
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: you don't keep teams together as long as we use.

1054
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: Joe's got questions for you too. But one more Pro

1055
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Speaker 1: Day question I have for you. What ye meaningful information

1056
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Speaker 1: comes out of that. You hear people say, well, it's

1057
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: all scripted and they're throwing in their in their home

1058
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Speaker 1: field house or at their home field. Good receivers they know,

1059
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Speaker 1: so that it's sort of downgraded the information that comes

1060
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Speaker 1: out of Pro Day. What do you get out of it?

1061
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Speaker 1: What should smart scouter evaluators look at at a Pro Day? Well,

1062
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: we always use the term checking boxes, and sometimes it

1063
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: gets to be a little trite, and I don't mean

1064
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: for it to be, but you have an idea of

1065
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: what this young man is going in because you've already

1066
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: watched tape. You've got X number of years of tape

1067
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: on him in school, right, You've you've seen him at

1068
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: the combine more than likely, you know, you have all

1069
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: your scouting reports about the kid. And then he shows

1070
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: up and you see him on the hoof doing these

1071
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: things you would expect him to execute at a minimal level,

1072
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: the normal things that kids should execute depending on position.

1073
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: The other part is you would expect him to show

1074
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: up in shape. This data has been penciled in for

1075
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: a long time, right, so if he shows up a

1076
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: little bit out of shape, you're like, well, what have

1077
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: you been doing? That's a big red flag for him

1078
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: right there. And then you get a chance to take

1079
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: him out of his comfort zone on the field because

1080
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: you'll have him do drills he probably hasn't done before.

1081
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: You have him to go to tempo he may not

1082
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: have gone at before, all these things because now he's

1083
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: used to a certain coach for again X number of years.

1084
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: Here comes a new voice and as here wants him

1085
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: to do it just a little bit differently, and they

1086
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: want to see how you're going to react. Are you

1087
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: gonna say no, I'm just gonna do it my way.

1088
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: Are you gonna try and do what they're asking you

1089
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,959
Speaker 1: to do? And then of course you get to spend

1090
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: that personal time with them, whether you're taking them out

1091
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: to dinner or you're sitting down with him in a

1092
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: meeting room, needed to eyeball them. So there's just so

1093
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: many experts that go into it that, yes, a lot

1094
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: of it seems like you know you're doing too much,

1095
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you get any piece

1096
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: of information allows you to make a decision and informed decision,

1097
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to take that opportunity. Charles. Going into

1098
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: the draft this year, obviously the big intrigue is over

1099
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: what's happening up top and what that in fact means

1100
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: for the quarterback that they drafted last year, Josh Rosen

1101
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: and by if the smoke that's out there were to

1102
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,479
Speaker 1: become reality, then a team would be getting a first

1103
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: round pick of a quarterback for three years and a

1104
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: little over six mills, which is a ridiculous strategy if

1105
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: you think about it. But what are you hearing with

1106
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: that and what are your thoughts on the idea of

1107
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray going that early and then then moving on

1108
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 1: this quickly from Josh Rosen. You know, last time I

1109
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: saw Murph, I don't know if we even had a

1110
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: chance to talk about it, but I was, you know,

1111
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: pretty much in the camp of if I'm the Arizona Cardinals.

1112
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: I drafted a kid last year that I think that

1113
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 1: I like. Remember they moved up in the draft to

1114
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: get it. Remember they moved up to ten. So you're thinking, okay,

1115
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: brand new regime. I hired a guy who's an offensive coach.

1116
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: Let's get this thing going. Let's pump up that value

1117
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: and see if people want to come get that number

1118
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: one pick. Because I have the quarterback. Can I add

1119
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: some other pieces to my puzzle to help him and

1120
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: to help my ball club. But as time went on,

1121
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm more and more convinced now that Murray is truly

1122
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: in play at one for Arizona. In fact, it almost

1123
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: has become now. It would be an upset if he

1124
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: doesn't go there, because as someone said to me, someone

1125
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: very stutely said to me, and this really helped change

1126
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: me along the way. They hired a coach with a

1127
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: losing record in college who was not getting interviewed to

1128
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: be at head coach in the college level, he's gonna

1129
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: be an offensive coordinator. So they went way outside of

1130
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: their box because they feel like they needed to do this,

1131
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 1: And obviously they believe that this guy don't worry about

1132
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: the record in college. He'll be better with us. Okay,

1133
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see what happens. But if you're going

1134
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: to do that, would you really go conventional now in

1135
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: the draft? Right? I mean, if you've already done all that,

1136
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: why would you change up and go conventional now? So

1137
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: that's why I'm more and more convinced that Murray and

1138
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: I know we've heard you know, Keiths very loved it

1139
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: as well. You know, we all love kids. When we

1140
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: recruited him, we all love kids that we're getting ready

1141
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: to kick our butt. When we were playing as a

1142
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: college coach, I mean Texas Tech versus Oklahoma. Of course

1143
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: he goes he's playing against the best player in the country,

1144
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: because it turned out he was, and it's Oklahoma, and

1145
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: you want to mitigate just how bad you're about to

1146
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: get beat down that those are the things you say.

1147
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he doesn't mean that he didn't like the kid.

1148
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he didn't like him coming out of school

1149
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he wouldn't want to work with him.

1150
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: And here they are, and if they put all their

1151
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: chips in that basket and said, this is our guys,

1152
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: our head coach, maybe this is the way to go.

1153
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: And last, but not least, as you guys well know,

1154
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: the money is not the factor it used to be.

1155
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: When you drafted a quarterbacks on Hi on the deal

1156
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: used to be. You know you're talking, you're committing thirty

1157
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: forty fifty million dollars. Remember that. Now you don't have that,

1158
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: So guess what, you can eat down a lot easier

1159
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: than in the past. If you really believe this guy's

1160
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: better for you, then you should go get him and

1161
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: worry about the other stuff later. Now I don't know

1162
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: that they'll get for Rosen what Benny would think. He's

1163
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: been in play too much now. I think people are

1164
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna low ball their offers. But I don't think that

1165
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: if they draft Murray they go into the season with

1166
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: Murray and Rosen as a backup. I think that's a

1167
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: that's a recipe for disaster. Yeah, Rosen's too young, and

1168
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna want to play, and it's not like he's

1169
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: a veteran that's there to help the young kid along.

1170
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: It'd be just pure competition and piggybacking off that. Just

1171
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: knowing organizations around the league, what would be the best

1172
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: course for Josh Rosen at this point for having a

1173
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: team give up on him and unjustly almost because he

1174
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: didn't really get a chance with that roster around him.

1175
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, what from this point, what roster out there,

1176
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: what organization out there would be the best thing for him?

1177
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: Do you think? Well, I would think that a place

1178
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: that has a veteran that's on the downside, that is

1179
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: almost on the way out the door. You know, Could

1180
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: the New York Rions be that interested in him because

1181
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: they've talked about that Kansas City model. Right, kid sits

1182
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: for a year. Eli plays this year and as depending

1183
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: on how the season goes, Eli might not finish the season.

1184
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen that too many times out there.

1185
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: If you bring in a young guy like that, could

1186
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: that be a place for him? Could a Chargers be

1187
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: a place for him? With Philip Rivers getting close to

1188
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: finishing up everything that he's done. You know, we just

1189
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: go on and on and on. There's so many different

1190
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: things we can we can talk about with it, but

1191
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: those types of places would fit because what I'm seeing

1192
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: right now in the free agent market, I'm not seeing

1193
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: anyone make that big play and say we're gonna go

1194
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: get that guy, he's gonna be our starter. Miami went

1195
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: with Ryan Fitzpatrick. The Titans have a starter in Marcus

1196
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: Mariot has been dinged a lot. They brought in Ryan

1197
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: Tannehill to back him up because he's a similar type player.

1198
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 1: Don't have to change your offense. So I'm not seeing

1199
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: that spot that goes, hey, you're gonna go get Rosa

1200
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,479
Speaker 1: to make him their starter. So that's why I'm saying

1201
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: somewhere back up, we're super vetter guy who may be

1202
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: on the downside and maybe get the chance to retool. Then, Charles,

1203
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by what Rosen might bring in the trademarket.

1204
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: And I heard you say a minute ago how it

1205
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: might not take what many people think. I've heard Cardinals

1206
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: people tell me that anybody thinks you're getting them for anything. Less.

1207
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: I've heard you know, third round or less is crazy,

1208
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: But does he is? Rosen had the potential to change

1209
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: the makeup of the early portion of the of the

1210
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: draft next month. I don't think so. I think that

1211
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: the deal is going to happen somewhere along the way,

1212
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's going to shake up the

1213
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: draft a ton because you know, if you're saying it,

1214
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: the only way it would shake it up is if

1215
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: let's say Murray goes one and there's a draft day

1216
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: deal for Rosen and I'm looking at Washington. Miami already

1217
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: feel them with Fitzpatrick, but maybe they still want their

1218
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks for the future. You see where I'm going If

1219
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: those types of places that may say, you know, something

1220
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: might get out now, but I don't think those teams

1221
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: are going to give up a one. See, that's where

1222
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: this thing is going to be interesting. When they say

1223
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get in for anything less than a three,

1224
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: well that seems to be right in the wheelhouse to me.

1225
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: But at one, I don't know that people are going

1226
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: to go for a one right now. And I think

1227
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: the cartoons have already trying to accepted they're not going

1228
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: to recoup anything close to what they put into because

1229
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: member we said, they tread it up to tend to

1230
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: get it. So it's not just you know, number ten

1231
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: pick in the first round. Number ten pick plus what

1232
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: they gave up to make that move up. At this stage,

1233
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: I think they just kind of let that go out

1234
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: the window. They're gonna try and get the best deal

1235
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: possible if indeed they do draft Murray at one Wow,

1236
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: We're with the Charles Davis NFL Network Draft ani. Listen,

1237
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: you can help us with this if you would, Charles,

1238
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: our topic for the day. We've seen what the Bills

1239
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: did last week in the first week in free agency,

1240
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: and wondering how that alters their draft, makeup their draft

1241
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: needs list. What do you think what's more important than

1242
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: the Bills in the draft? They are a number nine

1243
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: in the first round, but maybe for the entire draft

1244
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: is an offensive line help or defensive line help? Which

1245
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: would you choose? But listen, I've got a young quarterback

1246
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: that I've got to get right. And the models i've

1247
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: seen have been pretty strong along the way. You build

1248
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: around that kid and you build to protect that kid.

1249
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: That's just kind of how is you're going to invest

1250
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: in him. You've got to invest all the way in it, all, right,

1251
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: take a look around. What if the Bears done for Trabisky,

1252
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: try to beef up the offensive line and bringing some

1253
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: help out on the perimeter for him, right, Jared Goff.

1254
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: Look at what they did going and getting Andrew Whitworth

1255
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: John Sullivan to beef up the offensive line. And the

1256
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: last two years, the five guys that started Game one,

1257
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: we're the same five guys that finished the season, which

1258
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,959
Speaker 1: is really unusual, as you guys know, but they've gone

1259
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: two straight years with the same starting five to protect

1260
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: that young kid, and it paid off in the Super Bowl.

1261
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: I just think that if you're going to invest in

1262
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: that quarterback that early, you better take care of him.

1263
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: So that's my long winded way of same offensive line

1264
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: first along those same lines. Jowan Taylor, I know, is

1265
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: who you mocked to the Bills at that ninth What

1266
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: about him in respect to versus and Andre Dillard who

1267
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: is also is more of the left tackle by trade

1268
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: yea or where do you see those two kind of

1269
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: lining up his prospects. Yeah, listen, okay, I'll break them

1270
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Speaker 1: down for you. Actually, fortunately, I've actually done work on

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Speaker 1: all of these guys who were talking about. Andre Dillard

1272
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: is a great mover, terrific footwork, great agility and as

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Speaker 1: you said, as you describe your classic left tackle, Okay,

1274
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: he's very patient against pass rushers, which is not a

1275
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: word you're very often when when rushers are coming at

1276
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: you that speed. But he doesn't really buy all of

1277
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: the you know, the faints, the moves, the speed coming

1278
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: at him. He stays in there. He's pretty good. He's

1279
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: really good with his hands. He redirects these rushers very

1280
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: very well, and he does the same thing in the

1281
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: run game. He's not gonna maul you in the run game.

1282
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: So if you're a heavy run team and that's what

1283
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: you want to do, I'm not sure Dillard is what

1284
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: you're going to go to the work first, if that

1285
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: makes any sense at all. He's gonna be much more

1286
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: of that path protector who's going to dance out there

1287
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 1: on the edge, and he is really really good at it.

1288
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: Juan Taylor, I like him a bunch because I think

1289
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 1: he's a little more heavy handed. I think he needs

1290
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: to get his hands involved a little bit more. Sometimes

1291
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: I see him carry him a little well, but I

1292
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: think that comes from confidence. It's almost like Bahammad Ali

1293
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: in the ring. You know, I can hold my hands

1294
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: well because I can get him up faster than you

1295
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: can react. I think he'll have to get him up

1296
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: a little quicker in the NFL level, because those guys

1297
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: react a little bit better than most of those guys

1298
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: are gonna be like me who played in college but

1299
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: not gonna play in the NFL. But when he locks

1300
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: his hands on people, he drives them and takes them

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01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: whatever direction he wants to take them. He is much

1302
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 1: more of a dominant player that way at the point

1303
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: of attack than I would say Andre Dillard is. Both

1304
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: of them are going to be first round guys, and

1305
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: you can't go wrong. And the other thing I'd say

1306
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: about Juan Taylor is if he ended up on the team,

1307
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: they had some veteran tackles and they wanted to get

1308
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: him into the lineup faster and and it makes sense

1309
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: to play their best five. I think you can kick

1310
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: in the guard, you know, and get himself started there

1311
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: and be more than adequate there. I think it'd be

1312
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: a very good guard as well. I don't think you

1313
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: can do that with Dillard. I think Dillard's a pure tackle. Charles.

1314
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why we're talking here also about

1315
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: defensive line and edge rushers in particulars because there seems

1316
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: to be so many. You've got four of your first

1317
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: eight picks in your mock draft are edge rush specialists, right,

1318
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's kind of a bounty of talent

1319
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: at that one position. It really is. And then that's

1320
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: what this is, what this draft is, this draft need

1321
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: is a big person's draft. And if Kyler Murray had

1322
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: decided to just play baseball, it would have changed the

1323
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: whole tenor of the combine. What that guy would ye

1324
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: remember how the combine really ramped up, And probably the

1325
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: biggest news we got out of the combine, and I'm

1326
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 1: not really being that facetious, was when Kyler Murray measured

1327
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: five ten and one eighth, right, Yeah, I mean that

1328
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: that was the biggest news of the combine as far

1329
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: as I was concerned. But when you're about these edge rushers,

1330
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: the guys can and they're stronger than maybe some of

1331
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: their weights suggest because people have really slimmed down in

1332
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: the league. As you guys have noticed, we don't have

1333
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: the two hundred ninety three hundred pound DEEFENSEI ends like

1334
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: we used to have the two fifty two sixty, and

1335
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: they come up the ball and they fly like a

1336
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: Montes sweat. Yeah, he ran four four one and that

1337
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: buw us all the way in the forty yard dash,

1338
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: but not gonna run very many forties. But it tells

1339
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: you a guy his quickness off the ball, his agility,

1340
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: and what I saw him at the Senior Bull. Guy

1341
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: use his hands better than I expected in the run game,

1342
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: was stouter in the run game than I expected. And

1343
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: for a guy that many were counting in the top

1344
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: fifteen the top ten pick, took every rep and the

1345
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: Senior Ball, in fact, was first in line at the

1346
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: Senior Ball. He wanted to make the big sure everybody

1347
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: knew he loved to play football, and he wasn't a

1348
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: guy that was gonna coast another you know, another edge

1349
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: of rusher. They absolutely loved Brian burn from Florida State,

1350
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: and he kind of got lost in the supalone because

1351
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: Florida data to here like we're not used to having.

1352
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: They were awful. Okay, I'm not even gonna try and

1353
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: sugarcoat it. When I watched their tape, I'm like, they

1354
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: are really bad and I can't I can't believe watching

1355
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: Florida State do this and teams are just rolling them.

1356
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: The one thing I kept noticing about Burns how hard

1357
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: he played throughout because you guys know, when you have

1358
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: seasons like that, sometimes it gets really you did not

1359
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: have to play with the same effort, you know, you

1360
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: just kind of coast a law and try and get through.

1361
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: This kid play whatever. This is what I wrote down

1362
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: about him very long. You know, could could definitely use

1363
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: some bulk. I mean, he definitely needs a little more

1364
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: Legends pencil, but that will come with time. I think

1365
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: he reached the run game very well. He doesn't overreact

1366
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: to bakes, can get up feeld us his good hands,

1367
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: and he really redirects well in the open field when

1368
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: he's chasing people. So when that quarterback starts to take

1369
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: off out of the pocket, this kid has really good

1370
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: agility in my opinion, able to redirect well and continue

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01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,439
Speaker 1: to keep heat on the quarterback. Specifically about Burns because

1372
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he's very long, also quite late, because

1373
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 1: we're watching video of him right now. UM, yeah, exactly.

1374
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 1: In your experience with those guys, those we've we've seen

1375
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,439
Speaker 1: a bunch that get drafted in the first round, the long,

1376
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: lean type that end up not panning out. So in

1377
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: your experience, um, is that kind of way of thinking

1378
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: changing a little bit in the NFL just because everyone's

1379
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: getting lighter or is that some a legitimate thing he's

1380
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: going to have to overcome once he gets the NFL

1381
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: going up against bigger bodies. Well, the BOS the second

1382
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: part of your question, he's got to get. Yeah, I mean,

1383
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: you know, there's just no getting around it. Okay, but

1384
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: here's the part, here's the issue, and the NFL was

1385
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: just you know, there's bottom line. You're taking what the

1386
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: colleges are sending you. Now, you know, well we could.

1387
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: I mean five years ago I sit around with Scout

1388
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: that they'd be griping about this guy, and they'd be

1389
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: griping about this system and griping about this. I don't

1390
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: hear the griping anymore because it's here to stay. You know,

1391
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: they're going to run the spreads, right, They're going to

1392
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: do all those things. And by the way, what do

1393
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: we see him more and more in the NFL. First

1394
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: time in my lifetime I've seen such a a college

1395
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: schematic thing and things up move up to the NFL.

1396
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: It always used to be the NFL set things down.

1397
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 1: Then the colleges are having a bigger influence on the

1398
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: NFL than ever before. So you just have to work

1399
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: with that and figure out how to play, and yeah,

1400
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to get bigger. But the idea that

1401
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: well he's long and leaning guys have busted before. Guess

1402
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: what they all look like him coming out now? Man?

1403
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: You see Montes what Oh yeah, Oh for sure he's

1404
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: got a little bit more to him than Burns does.

1405
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, every just about all of him

1406
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: out more more than Burns. Yeah, but Burns is not

1407
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: alone in terms of coming out being that long guy.

1408
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. People have to make a decision

1409
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: about where they want to play him a down end

1410
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: or play him on his steed, right, because I think

1411
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: on his feed, you know he'll be okay, it will

1412
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,560
Speaker 1: with that build. And of course again still needs to

1413
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: get bigger. But look at the size of the inside

1414
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: linebackers we're playing with now, Jones, Kawan, Allens In or

1415
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: just got big money in San Francisco. I mean these

1416
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: are not big people, okay, but they slip blocks well,

1417
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: they're a little bit stronger, they play with good leverage,

1418
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: and they outrun a lot of the stuff that comes

1419
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: their way. Charles got one more question for you about

1420
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: your mock draft. In the three weeks since we returned

1421
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: from the Combine. At the risk of being DK Metcalf's

1422
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: Fan Cup fan club president here in Buffalo, I do

1423
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: think the Bills should spend some time looking at him deeper.

1424
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: You know what went on down there at you know,

1425
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: at Old Miss, and what were the injuries Like last

1426
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: year you've got him mocked to Colts at twenty six

1427
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: in the first round. Yeah, but tell me about your

1428
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: thoughts on him, both from the combine where he had

1429
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: the spectacular performance and since the combine what you've seen,

1430
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: what you've heard about Metcalf. Yeah, I think I think

1431
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: Murph with him, he could easily do in the top

1432
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: ten somewhere. I mean that he took about body beautiful. Okay,

1433
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna have a man crush, give me Dk Metcalf,

1434
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: give me a j brown out at Old Miss. I

1435
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: think you probably seen the picture went viral with those

1436
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: guys as shirts off. Yeah, okay, it reminded me to

1437
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: never take my shirt off. Okay, all, I just just

1438
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: don't do it because I've got nothing like that. The

1439
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: thing the thing you love about him is how big

1440
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: he is, how physical he is. Right, He's going to

1441
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: either go over the top of you or he can

1442
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: run through defensive backs and make play. Then he ran

1443
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: four three? Was the four three three? I believe that

1444
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: the combine, so so you're adding all that involved. My

1445
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: biggest question marked with him is change of direction because

1446
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: you go back and look at the stuff and I know, listen, listen.

1447
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: To combine, you gotta take some of the grain of fall,

1448
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: which you also have to ask yourself what did these

1449
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: numbers mean? And when you see his three cone, when

1450
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: you see I mean the change of direction stuff. It's

1451
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: not what you would expect from a WILLOWI wide receiver.

1452
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: This is a big, strong man who's coming at you.

1453
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: My comp for him is he's a bigger about the

1454
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: same speed for sald pair him and it came out

1455
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: of UCF a few years and Bashad has not quite

1456
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: found his niche yet. I think he played better in

1457
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: Cleveland last year. I'm not saying he's the same guy,

1458
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: but you know, we always come. We always have to

1459
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: do that about Hey, who are you talking about? That's

1460
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: my thing. Now, remember the neck injury he had. From

1461
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing, no one is turning him down because

1462
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: of that. Okay, no one's saying, okay, I'm taking him

1463
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: off the board. Looks like he's being cleared everywhere that

1464
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: I've heard, which is a great, great thing. I think

1465
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 1: he saw the reaction to combine when he blew it away,

1466
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: because you know, he was so emotional because he had

1467
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: the neck injury. You want, and they'll be playing football anymore.

1468
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: So here he is, and he's out there, so he

1469
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: could easily go on the top ten. This is just

1470
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: my analysis of him. I like him a lot, but

1471
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm really I'm much more hipped on those guys who

1472
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: could change directions for me, because I think that's where

1473
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: we're going a little bit. Yeah, big receivers, sure, but

1474
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: think about the big receivers and also think about some

1475
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: of the agility you see from them as well. I

1476
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,759
Speaker 1: just can't. I'm not saying I wouldn't take the DK metcam.

1477
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,800
Speaker 1: I take him to the heartbeat. But that's one of

1478
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: the reasons I didn't have him in my top ten.

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01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: Well that's really good point, hey, Charles. One last question,

1480
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: just on the defensive side, real quick. Ed Oliver is

1481
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: obviously a buzzy type of name, put up huge stats

1482
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: in college from that three tech spot. But with him,

1483
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean traditionally in terms of the NFL, if you

1484
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: have under thirty two inch arm length, then it doesn't

1485
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: go well for you don't get drafted as highly as

1486
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: you think. What about Ed Oliver's game overcompensates for that

1487
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: in your mind, Quickness, leverage, strength with his hands, plays

1488
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: every snap for the tremendous effort. You'll see him chase

1489
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: the ball downfield. You'll see him rush the quarterback. Ball

1490
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: gets delivered, he turns in sprints and gets involved in

1491
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: a play fifteen twenty yards downfield after the receiver makes

1492
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: someone miss. Things of that nature. You love seeing that

1493
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: from a big guy who you know is carrying, you know,

1494
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty to three hundred pounds. That part

1495
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: you like a lot. Size is definitely something that is

1496
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: going to concern people. And everyone immediately goes to you know,

1497
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: I was a kid out in Aaron Donald. We immediately

1498
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: go to Aaron Donald, and understandably so smaller than Aaron Donald. Okay,

1499
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: he came to the combine and what did he wave?

1500
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: Murph two eighty seven, two eighty seven. But but but

1501
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,759
Speaker 1: one thing to keep in mind. He weighed two eighty

1502
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: seven and did nothing else at the combine. And that's

1503
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: always a flag to me. You know why, because I

1504
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 1: didn't expect him to weigh two eighty seven. First of all,

1505
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 1: he's smaller than that. And two, if he's at two

1506
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: eighty seven, he did nothing at the combine. He's not

1507
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: compident carrying that weight. So that's why Kyler Murray didnt

1508
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: run or work out at the combine when he weighed

1509
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: two oh seven. It's false weight. They just put it

1510
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: on to look bigger, and they'd rather, you know, get

1511
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: down to what they normally are or better in range

1512
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: entered their stuff there. It'll be interesting to see Ed

1513
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 1: Oliver and his Paraday at Houston to see what he weighs.

1514
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,560
Speaker 1: Because I out he's on way two eighty seven. I

1515
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be much more high to seventies and

1516
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: then go through his drills and look very good doing that.

1517
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: And that's just kind of what we have to take

1518
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: keep in mind. We know we can carry more, but

1519
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: is it a good idea for him to carry more?

1520
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: Because I think it might take away some of the

1521
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 1: gifts he has. But he is smaller than Aaron Donald,

1522
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 1: So for every comparison to Donald, it makes sense. But

1523
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: he's smaller than even Aaron Donald was who ended up

1524
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: going thirteen, and you know, if we redrafted now, he

1525
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 1: might go one. That's right self. Yeah, that's just where

1526
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: we are with all that. I like it all or

1527
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: a bunch, But he's a lot smaller. I think that

1528
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: what any of us even anticipated. He with height and

1529
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: with his weight, and that's why he was trying to

1530
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: show that he could get bigger and bulk here. But

1531
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's a good idea for him.

1532
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: And Charles, you're on top of the stuff. We thank

1533
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: you for spending time with us here today. We appreciate it.

1534
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: Thanks for your insa Thanks Charles, thanks for having me. Guys,

1535
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 1: you take care of yourself, okay as well. Charles Davis,

1536
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: NFL Network draft analysts. You can catch him during the

1537
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: season on the NFL on Fox. He's a game analyst there,

1538
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: Madden NFL commentator. We thank Charles Davis. Spent a lot

1539
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: of time with this great insight, got me thinking more

1540
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: about Metcalf and answered really some of the thoughts I've

1541
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: had about Metcalf. We'll talk more about that when we

1542
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 1: come back. What's more important to the Bills in the

1543
01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: NFL draft, Charles says, offensive line. You might think differently

1544
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: give us a call full lines open eight oh three

1545
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: oh five fifty or toll free one eight eight eight

1546
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty Back with morning Moment. John

1547
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: Murphy Wouldjoevascalia one Bills Live from One Bill's Drive. I'm

1548
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back. John Murphy would Jova Scalia

1549
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive. Happy to have

1550
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: you with us here today. Joe is here for the

1551
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: rest of the day. Chris Brown steps in for Steve

1552
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: Tasker tomorrow on Friday. All right, Charles Davis, I mentioned

1553
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: his take, and look, I'm not Dk metcalf fan club president.

1554
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm interested in him, remain interested in him. You can't

1555
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: get me like you know. No, no, no, I'm listening.

1556
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: I saw the numbers on Charles Davis three cone workout

1557
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,879
Speaker 1: and all the other tests at the combine. They were puzzling.

1558
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: I thought at the time. Charles just explained what that

1559
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 1: and this is what he does so well what that

1560
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: might mean in terms of evaluating what kind of receiver,

1561
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: what kind of pro receiver. DK Metcalff could be first

1562
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 1: one that's ever done that effectively. To me, I get

1563
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: it now, and as he said, still might be a

1564
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: top ten pick. He said, yeah, maybe he and everybody

1565
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 1: likes dk Metcalff, but it just had a good perspective

1566
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 1: from Charles gave us on the show about what that

1567
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: meant his test scores and some of the combined workouts,

1568
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 1: the agility workouts in particular, I had a feeling dk

1569
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: Metcalf might come up today. So this morning I went

1570
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: back and really crammed in like Wat's like three or

1571
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: four games of his three or four more, and my

1572
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: conclusion was that this is a guy who is incredibly

1573
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: physical against the press at the line of scrimmage, which

1574
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: is good. He can outrun almost any single cornerback. My

1575
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: concern is the quickness in his footwork and his ability

1576
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: to create separation from that. A lot of times defenders

1577
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: just looked at him and just let him do his

1578
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: thing and just read him like a book, and there

1579
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: was a lack of separation in that vein. He tended

1580
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: in the games that I watched today, he tended to

1581
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: do much better against not as great competition. I watched

1582
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: him specifically against Greedy Williams, who was probably going to

1583
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: be a first round pick of a cornerback this year

1584
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 1: from LSU and Greedy Williams essentially canceled him out. I

1585
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: just worry that he's two one dimensional for a top

1586
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: ten pick, and I would like to see for a

1587
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: top ten player a wide receiver, someone that can run

1588
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,919
Speaker 1: the entire routree. And I'm not convinced that DK Metcalf

1589
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: at this point in his career can do that, which

1590
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: brings me to my hesitation as to why for the

1591
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:57,919
Speaker 1: Bill specifically, why that would be kind of a nonstarter

1592
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 1: for me. I'm not saying it's it's a bad pick

1593
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: by any means, because he's certainly someone that you can develop,

1594
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 1: and if you have strong coaching and you have strong leadership,

1595
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: then you can help him in that. But I do

1596
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: believe there are some athletic limitations to that disallows him

1597
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: to separate on a more consistent basis than what perhaps

1598
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 1: his reputation might indicate. Right, I hear you. I would

1599
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: also say this though, and you said development, I think development,

1600
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: if that's the case with him, will be key. So

1601
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: you got to decide if you're going to draft him,

1602
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: whether you're the Bills or anybody else. Can we wait

1603
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 1: a little bit for this guy to pick up the

1604
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: rest of the receiving game. We know receivers typically take

1605
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: more than a year. Can you afford to wait? Does

1606
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: does he have the possible value long term? That might say,

1607
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: all right, we'll take him at nine or ten and

1608
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: live with it for a year and get him better. Yeah,

1609
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 1: And to that point, the Bills are in a spot

1610
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: now where they don't necessarily have to force him into

1611
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: the lineup because they signed Cole Beasley, they signed John Brown.

1612
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean they can still have the time to figure

1613
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: figure out about Foster and Zay Jones. So it's not

1614
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: as though it's just an absolute non starter. But just

1615
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: for me knowing the value and knowing what else is

1616
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: out there and what could make an impact for them

1617
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: maybe right not even just right away, but over the

1618
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: long term, I tend to look at one of the

1619
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,799
Speaker 1: pass rushers, or even an offensive lineman or an interior

1620
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: guy like at Oliver or maybe Christian Wilkins, something something

1621
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: like that that might be a little bit more palatable

1622
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: to me at ninth. Overall, if they moved down and

1623
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 1: DK metcalf is on the board, say at like sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

1624
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: knock your socks off, that'd be great. But nine nine

1625
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: just it's a little a little much for me. Five

1626
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: weeks from tomorrow, around one of the NFL Draft. That's

1627
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: where we're talking about on Twitter. Let's take a look

1628
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: at our Twitter poll. What's most important to the Bills?

1629
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: More important to the Bills than the twenty nineteen draft?

1630
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: Is it offensive line help or defensive line help? And

1631
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: on the Twitter poll so far, with the results in

1632
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: so far, fifty eight percent of you say offensive line

1633
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: is most important to the Bills in this year's NFL Draft.

1634
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 1: Forty two percent say defensive line. On the tweet sheet

1635
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,560
Speaker 1: from Tiffany Daniels, she says the next phase is to

1636
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 1: grab a d lineman that can disrupt the line of

1637
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: scrimmage and get after the opposing quarterback. Montes Sweat could

1638
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: be available to nine. He's an interesting prospect, could be

1639
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: a solid fit opposite Jerry Hugh's no question about that. Joe.

1640
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: You've done some research, some film study. Yes, the defensive

1641
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: line prospects. Where do you want to start the interior guys. Yeah,

1642
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: let's talk guys. Let's talk about the two interior guys.

1643
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 1: And this is not bringing quinnin Williams into the equation

1644
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: because I know we got a tweet that said, hey,

1645
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: they should trade nine in a late round pick to

1646
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: move up to get Quinn and Williams. I don't think

1647
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 1: that's getting it done to get up there where he's

1648
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 1: gonna go. He's gonna be a top three pick, I

1649
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 1: think at least. But the two guys that I'm talking

1650
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 1: about the interior at Oliver and Christian Wilkins. Oliver is

1651
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: the one we brought up with at the end there

1652
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: with Charles Davis. Smaller type of prospect, but oh my goodness,

1653
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: the production he had. I mean he dominated players. There

1654
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: was quite literally Murph one rep where I saw it

1655
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 1: was a three man rush. He was, he was on

1656
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: the nose. He had two blockers right in front of him.

1657
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 1: He split those. He had another guard and a running

1658
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: back come up and try to stop him. He split

1659
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 1: those to get into the backfield on a three man

1660
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: rush to blow up a play on I think it

1661
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: was a third and long. Like this dude has insane

1662
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: ability in terms of being able to get into the backfield,

1663
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: and he runs like a linebacker, and the effort is there,

1664
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: as Charles Davis showed. I mean, this guy he is

1665
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: always constantly looking to get in the middle of the play.

1666
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: The two areas of concern that I have with him

1667
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 1: are with his arm length, which he tends to neutralize

1668
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: just because he gets into the pads. He initiates the

1669
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 1: contact with the offensive lineman because he's so quick off

1670
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 1: the snap that he's able to get inside their pads

1671
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 1: and then he has the leverage to push them off.

1672
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of times I saw him push

1673
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 1: them off so much that they ended up about two

1674
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: three yards back to where the offensive lineman was initially.

1675
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 1: So with Oliver, that's the arm length is a tiny concern,

1676
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: but I think the more the area that he has

1677
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: to develop still is against the run. But that's not

1678
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 1: why you're picking him. You are picking him to create

1679
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: pressure up the middle and to help out your defensive

1680
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: You're looking at three technique for him. Yeah, he's a

1681
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: three tech all the way there. There's not another spot,

1682
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: and he could even be a chess piece to where

1683
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: you can maybe line him up over at defensive end,

1684
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: or if you want to go to a three man front,

1685
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: you can line him up just a shade more to

1686
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: the outside. He's got He's got a lot of potential

1687
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: in that respect, and the concerns that Charles David just

1688
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: trot up about what do you call a false weight? Yeah,

1689
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: not a concern if you're three technique. I'm yeah, I'm

1690
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: cool with him being two eighty. Seriously, I mean, if

1691
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: if he has the type of production that he did

1692
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: at Houston, I mean, heck, I'm cool with him being

1693
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: two seventy five. I know it's not traditional, but I

1694
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 1: mean he's not a traditional prospect, and you have to

1695
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: I mean, heck, look at the quarterback that's gonna go

1696
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 1: number one. He's five ten. Yeah, I mean let's talk

1697
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 1: about that three years ago. Hey, a quarterback that's five

1698
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: foot ten is potentially gonna go first overall. No, this

1699
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: is this is the NFL. They they value size. No,

1700
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 1: it's it's a different league. Now, the other guy, interior guy,

1701
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned Christian Wilkins from Clemson. Yeah, what

1702
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: do you know about him? What do you like about

1703
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 1: He's bigger, he's the more prototype, a bit longer um

1704
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: and he definitely has a way to that knife through

1705
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: the interior lineman. And I like him. I think he's

1706
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: a better run defender than at Oliver. I do not

1707
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: think he is nearly as good of a penetrator. Oh,

1708
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 1: he's much bigger. Um. I don't think he's nearly as

1709
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,679
Speaker 1: good of a penetrator um that as at Oliver, which

1710
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: is why I have him ranked pretty well, not substantially

1711
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: farther down than Oliver, but Oliver is definitely the premier

1712
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: prospect to me between the two. So it all depends

1713
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: if you're looking for prototype. If you're looking for prototype

1714
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit less in terms of a

1715
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 1: pass rush than Christian Wilkins as your guy. If you

1716
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: want more of the guy that impacts the pocket than

1717
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: at Oliver's your guy. And for me, I'm looking for pressure, pressure, pressure,

1718
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 1: which is something the Bills lack last year, and that's

1719
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 1: why I love at Oliver. Anybody else interior that you

1720
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 1: cut your eye, maybe you looked at because I want

1721
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: to get to the edge guys, there's plenty of them,

1722
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: but we'll get to the break first. Anybody else on

1723
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: the inside, Yeah, in terms of the defensive tackles, it

1724
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: kind of drops off from there. You have you have

1725
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons, who is hurt, so I don't know if

1726
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: he's going to be a first round guy. He's probably

1727
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: would have been, Yeah, exactly and then past that, there's

1728
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: there's a pretty lengthy drop off to me in terms

1729
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: of high impact guys right away, just and I know

1730
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: it shows Rashaan Gary. Rashaan Garry's more of an edge

1731
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: guy to me. All right, we will talk about the

1732
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: edge guys. The pass rush special is the defensive lineman.

1733
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're with Joe Pascaldia. We're five

1734
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: weeks away from the draft. Kind of getting a sense

1735
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: of who's out there on the defensive line. We'll do

1736
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:00,320
Speaker 1: more of that when we return. One Bills Live presented

1737
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: by Collat of Health from one Whil's Drive. This is

1738
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One Bills Live. Joe

1739
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: Scoutius here, draft expert sports director WKBWTV Channel seven in Buffalo.

1740
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: You must have some big plans for a Channel seven

1741
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: preparing for the draft, right You got specials? Yeah, we

1742
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: got we got something coming down the pipeline five weeks

1743
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: await and plus you got a mock draft going up

1744
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: on the website soon. Yes, it will. I'm putting the

1745
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: finishing touches on it now. It'll be the first one

1746
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: of the season for me. I wanted to wait until

1747
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: free agency kind of played out just because the Bills

1748
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 1: had so much to do in free agency. We didn't

1749
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: think that they would do that much, but they did

1750
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: a considerable amount. And so now get a little bit

1751
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: better handle on it. Did the mock draft and that'll

1752
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: be posted sometime this afternoon. What is your philosophy of

1753
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: mock draft? Are you looking for? I mean, you worry

1754
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:00,680
Speaker 1: about need or do you kind of just really kind

1755
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: of rank these guys in terms of where they should

1756
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: be draft today? Um, I go with a nice little

1757
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 1: compilation of value meets need and I go on, I

1758
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: go and look at depth charts from every single team,

1759
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: figure out who's in need where, see what they've done

1760
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: in the offseason thus far, situations from a contract perspective,

1761
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: and h and yeah, then try and figure out what

1762
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: the best value is and who's still on the board.

1763
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: It's a very long process. How many box will you

1764
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 1: do before the drafty seven in the next five weeks? Yeah? Wow? Um?

1765
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 1: And when's it going up today? Later today? Yeah, sometime

1766
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 1: this afternoon after the show www dot com. You got

1767
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: it right, Joe, we're talking about the draft, and we

1768
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: asked the folks the question today, what's what's the target

1769
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: for the Bills. What's more important for them in the

1770
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: draft offensive line help, defensive line up. We've talked about

1771
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman that you have looked at, studied the film. Obviously,

1772
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:54,120
Speaker 1: it's a draft that is loaded with edge rush specialists,

1773
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: including a couple who the Bills will probably never get

1774
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: a look at this this year, right, Yeah. I mean

1775
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: when you look at the top, it's Nick Bosa, Joey's

1776
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: little brother who also went to Ohio State, and Josh

1777
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: Allen from Kentucky, which I don't think either of those

1778
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: guys are going to be on the board unless something

1779
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: drastic happens between now in the draft, but those guys

1780
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 1: will probably be gone. And then you go to the

1781
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: next tier of players, and the three that come to

1782
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: mind when you talk about that next tier are Montes

1783
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: Sweat from Mississippi State. You have Brian Burns from Florida State,

1784
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,720
Speaker 1: and Rashawn Garry from Michigan, and they all have a

1785
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:30,680
Speaker 1: little bit of a different flavor to them. Sweat and

1786
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:33,719
Speaker 1: Burns are a little bit more similar, but still there's

1787
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 1: something I value Sweat more than Burns. So I'll go

1788
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 1: with Montes Weat first because I don't. We talked about

1789
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 1: him at first day at the Senior Bowl. I was like,

1790
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,679
Speaker 1: look at that guy, and I told you this this morning.

1791
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 1: He's so long. He's like the longest arms and legs

1792
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: of anybody you've ever seen. That. Yeah, he is very,

1793
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 1: very twitchy for that size as well, and when he

1794
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: needs to, I mean, he's already pretty muscular, but when

1795
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: when he needs to put a little bit more on

1796
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,799
Speaker 1: but not much and he got numbers on him, Wait, gosh,

1797
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have him written down in front

1798
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: of me, but Montes sweat when you look at his game,

1799
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: and he uses that length to his advantage. He gets

1800
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 1: his arms on guys right away and then and keeps

1801
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: them at bay. And then rip either rips through him

1802
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: or he uses his speed to bend around the edge.

1803
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: And there's just all of these different little facets to

1804
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: his game that he's He has risen over the past

1805
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, two three weeks, and rightfully so, because

1806
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: he is a dynamite prospect. And you know, I didn't

1807
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: give him as much credit as as I needed to

1808
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: because he's he's a good player and I think he

1809
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: would definitely be in play at ninth overall? Should he

1810
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: be there? Six six two forty five kind of along

1811
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: the lines of what Charles Davis talked about. How what

1812
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: are his arms like? Thirty five plus? Yeah, they're ridiculous. Yeah,

1813
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: he's really long. So Montes Sweat is a possibility at

1814
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: edge rusher, even at number nine for the Bills. I think,

1815
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: so the second one you have there would be, uh,

1816
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: Brian Burns. Yeah, Brian Burns. He is long and lean,

1817
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and he's quick, super quick, and Charles Davis put it best,

1818
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: he looks like a flanker. He also looks like a

1819
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: small forward basketball court. I mean, the guy is just

1820
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 1: when when he gets flies by the offensive line, the

1821
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: closing speed is insane, and that's that's going to be

1822
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 1: his biggest thing. But there are times that he disappears

1823
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: and a little bit too much for my liking. And

1824
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: that's why I hesitate to say, take him at ninth

1825
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: overall and then figure it out. Plus the fact he

1826
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have a ton of meat on him, and I

1827
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 1: think with this regime in particular, they want guys that

1828
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: are more closer or closer to the prototype than not.

1829
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 1: From an edge rusher perspective, I mean, look who they

1830
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 1: signed Trent Murphy and he's six six, two seventy. I mean,

1831
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 1: Montes Sweat has the potential to put on more, but

1832
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: he's already around two hundred and fifty pounds by his

1833
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: own and Brian Burn's just put on a ton of

1834
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: weight for the combine, and I think he got up

1835
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: to what like high two thirties, low two forties. So

1836
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 1: it's going to be a struggle for him. His metabolism.

1837
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to work through that for sure, but

1838
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: fantastic speed, great off the edge, can bend. I wonder

1839
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 1: if maybe someone takes an Anthony Barr approach with him

1840
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: and sticks him at strong side linebacker because he can

1841
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: move like that. People were raving about his combined workout.

1842
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: Brian Burns, right, yep, yeah, I mean rightfully. So the

1843
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 1: dude is as an athletic freak and the Michigan guy

1844
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: who I guess we had him on the earlier list

1845
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: of interior guys, but he's an outside guy, right yeah. Yeah,

1846
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:35,560
Speaker 1: he's a bit of a tweener because he's around that

1847
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,720
Speaker 1: two hundred and seventy five pound mark sixty three. But

1848
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: what I like about him is that he might not

1849
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: have a distinct home. It's probably on the edge, but

1850
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: you can also throw him inside. He's got the size

1851
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: to do it. Very quick, twitch type of guy that

1852
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,320
Speaker 1: has a lot more speed than you would think he

1853
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: does for someone with his body type, pretty fairly like

1854
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson if if we're talking about that, just like

1855
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 1: that type of body that has a speed that you're

1856
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 1: not expecting to him. So I like him. I would

1857
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: like to see him finish a little bit more. But

1858
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: good against the run, good against the past. He has

1859
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: a chance to go top ten. And because he's such

1860
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 1: a versatile guy, I would not rule him out for

1861
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 1: the Bills. He's probably not my favorite prospect for them,

1862
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: but because he can do a little bit of everything,

1863
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: they value versatility quite highly here, So I think I

1864
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: think he could be in the mix. Let me ask

1865
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: you again, revisiting the question that we started the day with,

1866
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 1: what's more important to the Bills? Only in your D

1867
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: line is a D line in your estimation because there's

1868
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: this surplus of talent there and pretty talented guys and

1869
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Mike and that's valid, that's valid. I mean, I see

1870
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: all this talent, all these fast guys coming up. They adgemaking,

1871
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: let's go get one right, that's the appeal for the Bills.

1872
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: I tend to like the idea of having multiple pass

1873
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,720
Speaker 1: rushers that can get back there, because if you have

1874
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback you're doing you're in a great spot already.

1875
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: The next best thing besides having the quarterback is guys

1876
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: that can affect the other guys quarterback. Yeah, and so

1877
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 1: for me, just removing ourselves from the Bills discussion, I

1878
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: think I would rather go after an interior pass rusher

1879
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 1: because that's the way the game's going, or an edge

1880
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: guy because that is what is going to do the

1881
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: most damage to the opposing team and help your team

1882
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: in the meantime. Yeah. Well, we'll talk more about this

1883
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: and we'll get your thoughts on this. What's more important

1884
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,719
Speaker 1: to the Bills Old line or D line? Will revisit

1885
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 1: the twitter poll, Read some more from the tweet sheet,

1886
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 1: take a few phone calls in our number three. Also

1887
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 1: Will Brinson, CBS Sports senior NFL writer who's covered the

1888
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 1: league since twenty ten. He'll be with us coming up

1889
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 1: in just a minute or two as well. Come on back.

1890
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,719
Speaker 1: An hour to go One Bill's Live presented by Kalada

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01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 1: Health from One Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo Bills Radio.

1892
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: Hello Bills Radio Network stories date update from One Bill's Drive.

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01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: The Buffelo of Bills reportedly hosting another free agent. This

1894
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: one is safety as special teams a special teamer. Ian

1895
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 1: Rappaport of NFL Network says the Bills are hosting free

1896
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 1: agent defensive back Maurice Alexander on a visit this week.

1897
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 1: Fourth round pick of the Rams in twenty fourteen, He's

1898
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 1: twenty eight years old, six two, two hundred and twenty pounder.

1899
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 1: He's played both safety positions, but most of his time

1900
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 1: in the NFL has been spent as a special teamer.

1901
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: Maurice Alexander reportedly visiting with the Bills this week. Overville's

1902
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: quarterback A J. McCarron has a new NFL home. He's

1903
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 1: signed on with the Houston Texans league yesterday one year,

1904
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:34,799
Speaker 1: three million dollars to back up de Shaun Watson. Dallas Cowboys.

1905
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 1: They have signed a wide receiver in this second wave

1906
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:39,879
Speaker 1: of free agency. Cowboys agreed to a one year contract

1907
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: with veteran Randall Cobb of deal worth five million dollars.

1908
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: Cobb fills in the slot left vacant by the departure

1909
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: of Cole Beasley to the Buffalo Bills, veteran linebacker Claimed Matthews,

1910
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,719
Speaker 1: after ten years with the Green Bay Packers, has agreed

1911
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: to turns with the Los Angeles Rams. He's a native

1912
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles and he is going to Los Angeles

1913
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 1: to play for the Rams. He's the Packer's career sa

1914
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: coleader with eighty three and a half, but only had

1915
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 1: three and a half sacks last season. Ohio State Pro

1916
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 1: Day today several including quarterback dayne Haskins working out. The

1917
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: Giants got busy last night. The New York Giants went

1918
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 1: to dinner with Dwayne Haskins, the quarterback prospect, potential first

1919
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,799
Speaker 1: round quarterback. The Giants in the market for a quarterback apparently.

1920
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 1: NCAA Basketball Tournament the first four continues with two more

1921
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: games coming up tonight. It starts at twenty minutes to

1922
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:28,439
Speaker 1: seven tonight with North Carolina Central up against North Dakota State.

1923
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: Following that nine ten tonight, Saint John's The Red Storm

1924
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: against Arizona State. The winner of that game gets the

1925
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,719
Speaker 1: University at Buffalo in the first round matchup on Friday

1926
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 1: afternoon in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Buffalo Sabers in action tonight home

1927
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: against the Toronto Maple Leaf seven o'clock faceoff at key

1928
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 1: Bank Center, and the baseball season is underway. The Seattle

1929
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 1: Marinders started and off with the game that started at

1930
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 1: five thirty this morning Eastern time. The game in Tokyo.

1931
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: The Marinders beat the A's by a score of nine

1932
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: to seven. And that's the update from One Bill's Drive.

1933
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 1: John Murphy, Joe Bascallia here in place of the vacationing

1934
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 1: Steave Tasker. Chris Brown is here for Steve Tasker tomorrow,

1935
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: continuing to talk about this NFL offseason. We've assembled a

1936
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: great cast of some of the premier experts on NFL

1937
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,680
Speaker 1: personnel matters, including our next guest, senior NFL writer for

1938
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,959
Speaker 1: CBS Sports, the host of the Pick six NFL podcast,

1939
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: discovered the NFL for CBS since twenty ten. Happy to

1940
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: have Will Brinson on the line with us. Hello, well,

1941
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: John Murphy and Joe Biscalli here in Buffalo. Thanks for

1942
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 1: coming on, Yeah, guys, thanks for having me on. Everything's

1943
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 1: going well with you, guys, Yeah, it's going pretty well.

1944
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 1: We tried to get you on last week. You were

1945
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 1: keeping an eye on the ACC Tournament and your North

1946
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: Carolina wolfeck that didn't go well for you, did it. No.

1947
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: NC State did not have a good run. We were

1948
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: up on Virginia I think two at halftime, and then

1949
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 1: I went to preschool pickup, but by the time I

1950
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: got back, we were down about twenty five. So that's

1951
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,560
Speaker 1: that's life. Hey, look, it's a tough neighborhood where you

1952
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: got coach k Yeah, Roy Williams, attorney Bennett within within

1953
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 1: like you know, one hundred miles each way. Yeah. Well, look,

1954
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: it's not all bad news because I found myself watching

1955
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: an NI T first round game last night, will and

1956
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: I watch your Wolfpack knock off one of my favorite coaches,

1957
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 1: Joe Muhalak and his host team lest N. That was

1958
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: a good win for NC State last night. Yeah, And

1959
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,160
Speaker 1: you know what, it was pretty cool because nd Theake

1960
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 1: got to play Reynolds, which is where they you know,

1961
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:20,639
Speaker 1: of course, where they played back in the day before

1962
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: they moved to the PNC here in and it's sort

1963
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 1: of sparked a local debate about playing in you know,

1964
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 1: a smaller, smaller environment. But yeah, that was I was

1965
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: I was super eleously thought Howster was going to win

1966
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: the game because a lot of times, you know, with

1967
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: these n I T teams that the higher seeds that

1968
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: are just maybe disappointed to be in the n I

1969
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 1: T vercn CMLA, you get a stargic efforts. So very

1970
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 1: pleased to see State come out and show some positive energy. Well,

1971
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: we can't help but talk about college basketball, but it

1972
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,240
Speaker 1: is our duty to talk about the NFL, including what

1973
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: appears to me now the second wave of free agency

1974
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 1: with a couple of signings coming up overnight. Give me

1975
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 1: your impressions of the first wave, and in particular, you're

1976
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: assigning the Buffalo Bills one of your designations as a

1977
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 1: winner of the first week of NFL free agency. What

1978
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: did you see from Buffalo? Well, I just thought that

1979
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:07,760
Speaker 1: the um, you know, I thought that the Bills did

1980
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 1: a really good job of going out of free agency

1981
01:37:10,240 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: and sort of uh, you know, understanding that they needed

1982
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: to add add some pieces without getting crazy and to

1983
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: like because one of the things we've seen from a

1984
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:26,360
Speaker 1: lot of teams that struggle to really turn the corner

1985
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: after getting a young quarterback is that they get the

1986
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 1: quarterback and then they don't you know, they don't do

1987
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:32,760
Speaker 1: a good job of propping up the quarterback. I think

1988
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 1: what we've seen from teams of the recent success and

1989
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 1: notably the Rams and the Rams two years ago and

1990
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 1: of course last year, and then the fair excuse me

1991
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,640
Speaker 1: this past year was that they would get they you know,

1992
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: they draft their quarterback high and then they surround them

1993
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: with weapons. And I get it that the Bills can't

1994
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 1: go out and they can't go out and get Julio

1995
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 1: Jones and AJ Green on free agency. And I don't

1996
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 1: think it would have been smart to go out and um,

1997
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, break the bank in this wide receiver group.

1998
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 1: But I did like the idea that they went out

1999
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:03,600
Speaker 1: and got Cole Beasley, you know, a fought weapon, a

2000
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:06,839
Speaker 1: short yardage guy who should up and prove Josh Allen's accuracy.

2001
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 1: And then they added John Brown, who I've I've loved

2002
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 1: since he came out of college. And you know, I

2003
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,080
Speaker 1: think Smokey's the type of guy who could fit with

2004
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen in terms of you can't I mean,

2005
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: you can't outthrow John Brown, and Josh Allen has a

2006
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: hard time finding somebody who can, you know, who can

2007
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:25,559
Speaker 1: actually get under his deepest path. So I think there's

2008
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,679
Speaker 1: some real opportunities for shot plays there and then Tyler Croft.

2009
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,719
Speaker 1: The Tyan market was pretty expensive, but I think Croft

2010
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,639
Speaker 1: is a guy, um, you know that you can beat again.

2011
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: You're beefing up the middle. You're giving some some high

2012
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 1: target weapons, some high accuracy weapons for Josh Allen, and

2013
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 1: so I just I really liked what they did, you know,

2014
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 1: including getting some depth on the offensive line as well.

2015
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 1: And then picked up Kevin Johnson, who didn't work out

2016
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,840
Speaker 1: of course with them, you know, with the Houston Texans.

2017
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: But this is a guy out of Wake Forest with

2018
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 1: a lot of talent who could potentially bounce back on

2019
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: his on his second contract here. Hey, um, well, question

2020
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 1: for you about free agency in general, Um, can you

2021
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,599
Speaker 1: have a Can you be a free agency winner if

2022
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 1: you don't make the big splash? And as you said,

2023
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: they didn't blow anybody away with big contracts. I mean

2024
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: they signed the Center, paid a lot of money. But

2025
01:39:13,479 --> 01:39:15,439
Speaker 1: we always kind of look for the big money, the

2026
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: big name, the household name signing as being indicative of

2027
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: success in free agency. The Bills didn't do that. So

2028
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 1: is it unusual to call them a winner in free agency? Well,

2029
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's that's the thing. Is you

2030
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 1: got to be so careful. Look, I mean, and I'm

2031
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm criticizing my own article and like the construct of

2032
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: my own article here, which you have to be careful designate.

2033
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:37,439
Speaker 1: You know. It's like like like the Raiders are winners.

2034
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 1: They've got all these new shiny toys. Well, there's a

2035
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: pretty good chance that it's going to backfire the Raiders

2036
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: and they're not going to be in this. You know,

2037
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 1: they're not going to be successful once the season actually

2038
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: comes around because you have inherently priced your you know,

2039
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:51,640
Speaker 1: like you're sort of you you have allocated assets in

2040
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,759
Speaker 1: a way that didn't conducive to success in the regular

2041
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: season in the NFL. And so from that perspective, yeah,

2042
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 1: it's easy to call somebody a win there when they

2043
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 1: add a bunch of pieces. But I think John, to

2044
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,800
Speaker 1: your point, I mean, like you want to have a

2045
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 1: situation where you know, you put you get smart with

2046
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 1: your pieces and smart with your uh, your spending, and

2047
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,240
Speaker 1: and you figured out a way to add a lot

2048
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 1: of nice pieces around, like to build around a team

2049
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 1: without breaking the bank and um, you know, without without

2050
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,360
Speaker 1: going out there and and like like you don't need

2051
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 1: to be jumping in a free agency. At a point

2052
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 1: of Neaton, free agency, free agency should supplement your roster

2053
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 1: building through the draft and your players development. And I

2054
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:34,639
Speaker 1: think from that instance, to Build did a nice job

2055
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 1: of that supplementation. On the flip side of that, how

2056
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 1: about the Jets. Yeah, the Jets from the second year

2057
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: in a row, the Jets are are are acting like

2058
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 1: they got a brand new credit card. I mean, Mike

2059
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 1: mccagnan has has has made it rain in free agency

2060
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:53,720
Speaker 1: two years in a row. Um, you know, I I

2061
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: I again, I think it's one of those things where

2062
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 1: and this is what we get we talk you know,

2063
01:40:57,680 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: we talked about you know, Ken, you be a winner

2064
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 1: if you don't spend big. Is spending big the way

2065
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 1: to be a winner? Like I loved j Mosy and

2066
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 1: I love Leveyon Bell, and I think that they're great players.

2067
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:09,640
Speaker 1: What I want to spend what the Jets spent on

2068
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 1: those two guys, probably not. I actually think the Levion

2069
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 1: Bell deal is curiously one of the one of the

2070
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 1: better deals in free agency, just because running backs are

2071
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,880
Speaker 1: so devalued and we you know, we hear all of that,

2072
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,760
Speaker 1: and Leveyon Bell didn't take a monster contract and he

2073
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: is a game changer in terms of, you know, being

2074
01:41:26,479 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 1: a passing down back and a guy who can catch

2075
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 1: seventy balls for you out of the backfield or lined

2076
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 1: up in the spot. He's gonna be such a nice

2077
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:37,160
Speaker 1: weapon for Sam Darnold. Of course, I love Davidson Growler.

2078
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a great weapon for for

2079
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. What you see from Adam Gates's offense, these

2080
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: short crossers, you know you're not you know, it's a

2081
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,120
Speaker 1: it is a dancin dunk offense, and he's running. Sam

2082
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 1: Darnald used a lot of those guys at USC, so

2083
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 1: I think I think it'll work out. But when you're

2084
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,600
Speaker 1: spending that much money on all of these guys, you

2085
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 1: know inherently it's gonna It's just it's just a tough

2086
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 1: way to build your team. We just don't see a

2087
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,560
Speaker 1: lot of teams winning by spending tons of money in

2088
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 1: free agency without the necessary draft fix and success in

2089
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 1: other areas to back it up. But I get what

2090
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 1: the Jets are doing. They have the young quarterbacks, they

2091
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: want to try and make some sort of run. I

2092
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 1: do think, though, when you spend that kind of money

2093
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 1: in free agency as a GM, especially when you have

2094
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: that quarterback, you're setting yourself, setting yourself off the potential

2095
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: failure because if you don't go out there and win,

2096
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 1: you go nine to seven or make the playoffs. I

2097
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 1: mean like that, that's becoming the expectation for the Jets

2098
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 1: this year, because they have San Darno, because they have

2099
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:33,439
Speaker 1: all those weapons, because they spend all that money in

2100
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:36,240
Speaker 1: free agency two years in a row, that people expect

2101
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 1: him to win right away. And it's not only that

2102
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: easy to do, especially in the AFDs. Well, you wrote

2103
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 1: about Levi on Bell in a post up on CBS

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Speaker 1: sports dot com just today, I believe, after he was

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Speaker 1: recently interviewed, and he had some interesting things to say

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Speaker 1: about the team he left behind, the Steelers, and in

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Speaker 1: particular Ben Roethlisberger, saying that Roethlisberger being there was a

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Speaker 1: factor in his decision not to return to Pittsburgh. And

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Speaker 1: he's said the Witches he had more open, more genuine,

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Speaker 1: and more real relationship with Roethlisberger. How much damage has

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Speaker 1: been done to Roethlisberger and to the Steelers by what's

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Speaker 1: going on here over the last couple of months. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of smoke, right, I mean, it's almost

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Speaker 1: almost the point where there's got to be some kind

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Speaker 1: of fire here. And I don't think it would have

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Speaker 1: surprised anybody if they found out that Big Ben was

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Speaker 1: trying to call the shots and dictate who gets the balls.

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to I mean, I have no obviously,

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Speaker 1: no first thing. Nobody does, Nobody any firsthand knowledge of

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Speaker 1: whether Ben purposely fumbled a football or not to try

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Speaker 1: and spite Todd Haley. The only person who can actually

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Speaker 1: know that has been Roethlisberger. But given sort of the

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Speaker 1: way that he's approached his media, likes working the media

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Speaker 1: in terms of going on radio stations and sort of

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Speaker 1: taking past the progressive shot that guys and threatening to retire,

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Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be surprising me, Like it wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: surprising at all. It's been Roethlisberger maybe gotta, you know,

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Speaker 1: work his way into doing something that task that created

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Speaker 1: an issue and then Todd Haley looked bad. I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying it wouldn't shock me. But yeah, I think I

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01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: think that you know, there's there's gonna be people in

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Speaker 1: the Steelers locker room, players in the Steelers locker room

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Speaker 1: who liked Antonio Brown, who liked lebon bell Um, who

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Speaker 1: believe that, you know, even if they were divas, that

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Speaker 1: their talent, their skill set and they're you know, they're

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Speaker 1: part of the team, was an important part. And if

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Speaker 1: they if everyone starts to believe that those guys are

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Speaker 1: gone because Ben Roethlisberger or at least part and parcel

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01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 1: because it Ben Roethlisberger, that certainly has a negative impact

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Speaker 1: on on how he's perceived in the locker room. And

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Speaker 1: of course he's a leader, but you do get the

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Speaker 1: same I mean, look, Kevin Colbert, the GM came out

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Speaker 1: and said that Ben is basically above everybody else, that

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Speaker 1: Ben is not the same same as everybody else, And

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01:44:42,120 --> 01:44:44,599
Speaker 1: so it's not like what Antonio Brown and leviian Bell

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Speaker 1: are saying. Is you know, it's been confirmed by the GM.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think I think there can

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Speaker 1: be some calls. You're concerned there If you're Pittsburgh, sure

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Speaker 1: hey will. Based on what the Bills did in this

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Speaker 1: offseason thus far, what are you expecting them? I know

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01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 1: it all depends on Josh Allen, but what are you

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01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 1: expecting from them with the moves that they made? Well,

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01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:09,600
Speaker 1: I think I saw where an early because they're not

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01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:12,799
Speaker 1: released until May. The official over unders for wind Turtles

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I think I saw there's like an

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Speaker 1: early one out there, maybe six and a half wins

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01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 1: for the Bills, which is I mean, that's it's pretty

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01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 1: it's low, obviously, but it's not, you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: insanely low. There's a ton of teams that slought in

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Speaker 1: there between uh, you know, six and nine and six

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Speaker 1: and ten. I think that this is a Bill team

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01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 1: that if everything, if they get a few really good breaks,

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01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 1: if they can challenge for a wild card spot again,

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01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 1: and that's you know, look, part of the problem is

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Speaker 1: you're in the division with the Patriots. It's always as

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01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,320
Speaker 1: long as Tom Brady is playing, a Bill Belichick is coaching,

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01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 1: is going to make it difficult to have two pathways

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs. But I think one of the things

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Speaker 1: that really flies under the radar, at least from my perspective,

2170
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Speaker 1: is over the last two years, Sean McDermot to me,

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01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 1: has been worse somewhere between one and a half and

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01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 1: two and a half wins for the Bill the job

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Speaker 1: that he's done coaching, Because I mean that that playoff

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Speaker 1: teams wanted the playoff team. I mean they were a

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Speaker 1: playoff team because they made it, but they were overachieving,

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Speaker 1: and I thought last year they were an overachieving team

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Speaker 1: that still finds ways to steal win. So when I

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Speaker 1: look at this team, what I see is probably something

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Speaker 1: and they're look something in the range of six, seven,

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Speaker 1: eight wins with a chance to go a little bit higher,

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Speaker 1: because you have a coach who does a really good

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Speaker 1: job of a preparing his team for you know, and

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Speaker 1: then they're always tough at home, like they do a

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01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 1: really good they always steal one or two wins at home.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that it's not unrealistic at all

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01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:38,559
Speaker 1: to view both the Jets and the Bills as possible

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01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: wildcard contenders in what is you know, really getting to

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Speaker 1: be a really deep aft. Well, what about the Cleveland Browns?

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Speaker 1: They would be wildcard contenders, maybe even division title contenders.

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah, I mean the Browns are fourteen to one

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Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl? What what do we I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know the world we're living in anymore. That's

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Speaker 1: the case. They look. They're ahead of the I think

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Speaker 1: they're tie with the Packers, the only teams that are

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Speaker 1: ahead of them. Right now to win the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: are the Patriots, Chiefs and Rams, maybe States too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy they're They're a top six team when it

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Speaker 1: comes to potentially winning the Super Bowl. I think I

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Speaker 1: think it's ever blown. If I were, and I'm I'm

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01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:16,839
Speaker 1: not saying I would, but if if I were interested

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Speaker 1: in picking a team with federad to win their division,

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Speaker 1: I would go with the Steelers because I think that

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01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 1: any time to steel it's like the Chiefs. Last year,

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01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 1: the Chargers were favorite over the Chiefs. He's like, don't

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Speaker 1: make Andy Reid the second favorite, you know, to anybody

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Speaker 1: in that division. But yeah, look it's hard enough to

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Speaker 1: like what the Browns had done. I mean that Baker

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01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,120
Speaker 1: Mayfield is a stunt. If I was um, if I was,

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Speaker 1: if I was starting a franchise, he'd be the number

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Speaker 1: two guy, take behind catching Mahomes. I like him that

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01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:43,560
Speaker 1: much and have liked him since that draft. You know,

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01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: they added Odell Beckham, who's a potential Hall of Fame

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01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: wide receiver, Jarvis Landry, and Tony o'callie, David and Joku

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01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 1: and it's so Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunts gonna get

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01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 1: back after eight games, Duke Johnson. That offense is if

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01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:58,640
Speaker 1: the offensive line is good, that offense is loaded. And

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01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 1: I know they're luster brill Pepper, but they had Olivier Vernon.

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01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 1: They got a lot of pieces on defense too. And

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Speaker 1: I think the two big wild cards are the coaching

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01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 1: staff and the offensive line, because Freddy Kitchens really feels

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01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:14,240
Speaker 1: like a guy who can get the job done. And

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Speaker 1: I like him a lot, and I love his southern

2223
01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:19,400
Speaker 1: style and all that, but I don't think it's unfair

2224
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 1: to say that. You know, you don't know how someone

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01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:23,320
Speaker 1: is going to be as a head coach until they

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01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:25,960
Speaker 1: actually become one, and we have no idea what Freddy

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01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: Kitchens will be like, you know, once the microscope is

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01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 1: on in the games are really being played. And then again,

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01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 1: that offensive line, I just think there's a there's a

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01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 1: chance that's set with the pieces they've lost over the

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Speaker 1: last two years, that it's not a dominant offensive line.

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Speaker 1: And if that's the case of Baker Mayfield doesn't have

2233
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:43,519
Speaker 1: time to throw and Nick Chubb doesn't have holes to run,

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01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 1: then maybe you see the offense take a little bit

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01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:49,639
Speaker 1: of a step back. Uh. You know, Look, I love

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01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 1: the Browns. I think they're I think they're a fun team.

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01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 1: I hope that they're good for the sake of those fans.

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01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 1: I think I think builds a Browns fans. Nobody deserves

2239
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: a good football team more than those two fan bases.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Browns. It feels like maybe we're

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01:49:02,360 --> 01:49:04,599
Speaker 1: a year or two early on it. Thank. I agree

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01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: with you, Hey. On the draft, well, I want to

2243
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:09,519
Speaker 1: get a couple of quick questions in the upcoming draft.

2244
01:49:10,120 --> 01:49:11,960
Speaker 1: We had a guest on earlier today who said, just

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01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:15,240
Speaker 1: think if Kyler Murray had elected to stay with Major

2246
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 1: League Baseball, just think how boring this draft would be

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01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 1: five weeks from now. He's probably right. Kyler Murray has

2248
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 1: added a whole new jold of energy to the draft

2249
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:27,599
Speaker 1: and to the future of people like Josh Rosen. Right, yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: if you told me that, if you told me that

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01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell had had thrown the Cardinals and they're like, look,

2252
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're sticking with Josh Rosen. I

2253
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 1: needs you to pretend like you want Kyler Murray just

2254
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 1: for the sake of the ratings. I would I believe it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, this is a if you take Kyler

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01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 1: Murray out this is a meat and potatoes draft. Yeah,

2257
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's a it's a there's a

2258
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 1: lot of talent, and it's really deep. I think you

2259
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 1: could see guys who could go tenth overall and if

2260
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Speaker 1: they went seventieth overall, it wouldn't surprise me, just because

2261
01:49:56,680 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 1: I think there's that much interchangeability in terms of you know,

2262
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 1: certain positions and certain players, Like there's seven or eight

2263
01:50:03,439 --> 01:50:05,600
Speaker 1: wide receivers who could go in the first round or

2264
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: if you go, you know, at the top of the

2265
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 1: third round. We just don't know how it's going to

2266
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:11,960
Speaker 1: pan out, how these teams are going to draft and um, so, yeah,

2267
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:15,639
Speaker 1: it's not an exciting draft because it's line. Then it's

2268
01:50:15,680 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a lot of edge rushers, but

2269
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:21,200
Speaker 1: even you know, even some of the bigger names defensive

2270
01:50:21,240 --> 01:50:23,840
Speaker 1: lineman like Ed Oliver and Rashaan Gary or you know,

2271
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 1: don't don't have like a flash of maybe a Miles

2272
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:28,679
Speaker 1: Garrett and the upside of a Miles Garrett. So from

2273
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:32,160
Speaker 1: that perspective, I think, yeah, it's a draft that we

2274
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:35,400
Speaker 1: really you know, we being media members who have to

2275
01:50:35,479 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 1: find something to talk about for three months needed Kyler Murray,

2276
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:40,560
Speaker 1: we thank him for delivering. We could get together and

2277
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:44,280
Speaker 1: give him a four hundred and thirty million dollars. Yeah, yeah,

2278
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,599
Speaker 1: that's out there and will when when you looked at

2279
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,519
Speaker 1: the Bills offseason through the lens of free agency, now

2280
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 1: as we're into the draft area, what in your mind

2281
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 1: would benefit them the most considering what might be on

2282
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,720
Speaker 1: the board for them. Ninth overall, Yeah, I think there's

2283
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:04,240
Speaker 1: a couple of different ways they can go. You know,

2284
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:06,719
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of folks in Buffalo,

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01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,679
Speaker 1: or at least Bill's fans, who we're thinking, oh, boy,

2286
01:51:09,720 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 1: are we're gonna take DK metcalf Because it feels like

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01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna take DK metcalf. Um, I'd like to see

2288
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:16,120
Speaker 1: him go in a different directions because of the way

2289
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:18,720
Speaker 1: they've supplemented the wide receiver position, and I think you

2290
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 1: can find some wide receiver depth in the second and

2291
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 1: third round. I think they'd be best served heading to

2292
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 1: the trenches here. And you know, unless they know, they've

2293
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,800
Speaker 1: done a good job of evaluating secondary pieces. So if

2294
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:32,559
Speaker 1: there's a quarterback there they like, whether it's Greedy Williams,

2295
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 1: and you know they've coach they had to Davis White

2296
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,280
Speaker 1: from LSUE as well, so maybe they know Greedy or

2297
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:40,840
Speaker 1: they know the program. There's some people question whether he's

2298
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 1: a great cackler, and you know, whether he's a complete player.

2299
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 1: Maybe Byron Murphy's a guy. They're like, I wouldn't I

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01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind a corner there. I think it's a little

2301
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:50,519
Speaker 1: bit early for it. I certainly think you can look

2302
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 1: at edge rusher and you could also look at offensive lineman.

2303
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 1: You know, I have no problem with the bill saying, okay,

2304
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:59,240
Speaker 1: we've got it pieces around Josh Allen. Now we need

2305
01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 1: to make sure we can protect him and give him

2306
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 1: some time in the pocket to sit back there and

2307
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:05,600
Speaker 1: work and find these weapons. And so from that perspective,

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01:52:06,080 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 1: I think offensive lineman would work. But if there's a

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01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:10,599
Speaker 1: defensive player that they loved at ball stood in there,

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01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 1: I think they should go that route too, because offensive

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01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:16,200
Speaker 1: line in twenty nineteen is there so tricky. You have

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01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:19,160
Speaker 1: to have a concrete evaluation or how you want to

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01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 1: play a guy, and you know, maybe maybe the guys

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01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 1: played left tackle or his whole career and you have

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01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 1: to move to right because you're like Dion Dawkins on

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01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:28,519
Speaker 1: the left side or in different in different instances, maybe

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01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 1: you need to kiss somebody to kick inside. But you've

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01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 1: never actually seen him play guard, and so I think

2319
01:52:32,520 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: the transition there is so tough that unless the Bills have,

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01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:37,920
Speaker 1: like if they have a really concrete, great on a

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01:52:38,960 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 1: on an offensive lineman, I think that's a good move.

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01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:43,760
Speaker 1: Otherwise I would say that they'd probably be very well

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01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:46,040
Speaker 1: served to get the best defensive player available. Well, I

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01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:47,600
Speaker 1: have one more question for you, and it deals with

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Speaker 1: the post that you put up, I believe yesterday on

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01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 1: CBA sports dot com. Um. The analytics conference that went on,

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01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 1: I believe over the weekend, and I think it was Boston,

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01:52:56,560 --> 01:53:00,519
Speaker 1: the Sloan Sports Conference, All Sports. They awarded they gave

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01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 1: an award for the best transaction from last year. They

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01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:06,840
Speaker 1: gave it to the Raiders for trading away Khalil Mack.

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01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:09,920
Speaker 1: What's it all about? What did you find out there? Well,

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01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 1: you know, it actually happened while we were all down

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01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 1: at the combine. Okay, I think they do. They do

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01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 1: Sloane up in Boston too. They either do it to

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01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:21,640
Speaker 1: keep the keep the nerds out of the combine or

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01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:23,800
Speaker 1: keep the jocks out of the nerd nerds thing. I

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01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:25,360
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. Which one it is. I

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01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:28,640
Speaker 1: saw a few nerds of the combine. Hey, I have

2339
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:30,680
Speaker 1: a self professed nerds. Yeah, there were plenty of us.

2340
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:34,479
Speaker 1: There's plenty of us there at the old Combine. But yeah,

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01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:38,679
Speaker 1: I know it's crazy. So basically, a panel of people

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01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 1: led by Rockets GM Daryl Morey, voted on best transaction

2343
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 1: of the twenty eighteen year, and they ultimately decided that

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01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 1: the Raiders trading away Khalil max was was the best

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01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:54,759
Speaker 1: choice basically because they got two first round picks and returned.

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01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 1: They didn't have to allocate a ton of salary cap

2347
01:53:57,600 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 1: space and a ton of cash and a ton of

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01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 1: capital to signing Khalio back to that deal. And and

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01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, as Morey points out, it's not about the

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01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:08,400
Speaker 1: results in terms of who you get drafted, is It

2351
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:10,920
Speaker 1: is about the process and being able to take the

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01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:12,720
Speaker 1: gamble that you can get the two first round picks.

2353
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:16,320
Speaker 1: Um So and also a victor fur of the Athletic

2354
01:54:16,479 --> 01:54:20,240
Speaker 1: called the Raiders and ask them about its. Apparently when

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01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 1: they called more to talk to him about it. Sorry,

2356
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:24,559
Speaker 1: but when when he called the Raiders was like, hey,

2357
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 1: just let you know you guys won this, uh won

2358
01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:29,800
Speaker 1: this trophy They're like, why what are you? Why are

2359
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:33,840
Speaker 1: you where? You? Are you? Ethe? Dude? Are you? Are

2360
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:35,880
Speaker 1: you screwing around us? Yeah? And it's like, no, no, no,

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01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 1: we really didn't give you the chophe you won the

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01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: choviy um and uh. And so Gruden's all excited about it.

2363
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 1: Now they get to puff out of the chest. I

2364
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 1: get that the process is more important than the results,

2365
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 1: and I agree. But part of the process is evaluating talent,

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01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 1: and the Raiders are going to have to do a

2367
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:53,520
Speaker 1: very good job of evaluating talent in the draft because

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01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,520
Speaker 1: they're probably not gonna have very good picks, and I

2369
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:57,200
Speaker 1: think they need to come away with some high end

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01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 1: talent to justify it. I guess that would look good

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01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 1: at a band in the Oakland Coliseum. Best Transaction twenty eighteen. Yeah,

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01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:08,840
Speaker 1: yeah right, it'll go next to the a's weight room

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01:55:08,840 --> 01:55:12,240
Speaker 1: where they put the visiting media. Hey, well, thanks for

2374
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 1: this great talking with your great catching up. Thank you

2375
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:16,680
Speaker 1: for being on with us today. We appreciate it. Yeah, guys,

2376
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 1: always fun, every great day. Thanks. Will Brinson is a

2377
01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:22,080
Speaker 1: CBS Sports dot Com senior NFL writer host So They

2378
01:55:22,360 --> 01:55:25,240
Speaker 1: Pick Six NFL podcast. He's covered the league since twenty ten.

2379
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:27,839
Speaker 1: Will Brinson on the line with us. That is crazy.

2380
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean they chose maybe the most controversial trade all

2381
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 1: year to honor is the best transaction the analytics experts

2382
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:38,320
Speaker 1: and they wonder why they don't get taken seriously. Well,

2383
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:42,640
Speaker 1: I fashioned myself as a man who loves him some analytics.

2384
01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that assessment. Um, and come on,

2385
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 1: it's Khalil Mack. He was twenty seven. Are you kidding me?

2386
01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:54,960
Speaker 1: He's twenty seven. He dominated every single game he was

2387
01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 1: available for the Bears. He's he's worth that contract. And

2388
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:02,680
Speaker 1: I I get the value of picks. I love picks.

2389
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:05,480
Speaker 1: I love the draft, as you can tell by the

2390
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:10,200
Speaker 1: enthusiasm that I have. Yeah, exactly, But no substitute for

2391
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame player and that's great. I just

2392
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 1: don't think that was worth it and it ends up

2393
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:18,920
Speaker 1: being what the twenty fourth pick and whatever it was

2394
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:22,400
Speaker 1: last year? No thanks? Yeah, that's crazy. All right. We're

2395
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 1: coming back with more in including NFL True or False.

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01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 1: Come on back, One Bill's Lide, presented by Kalada Health

2397
01:56:27,080 --> 01:56:29,800
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive and this is Buffalo Bill's Radio.

2398
01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:44,600
Speaker 1: Welcome back One Bill Slive. I'm John Murphy. This is

2399
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:47,400
Speaker 1: Joe Pascal. Yeah from WKBW TV Channel seven here in

2400
01:56:47,440 --> 01:56:50,080
Speaker 1: Buffalo here for the rest of this day. Chris Brown

2401
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:53,120
Speaker 1: returns to the show tomorrow and Friday. Steve's back on Monday.

2402
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 1: A couple of NFL notes to talk about Joe Um

2403
01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 1: we talk. It's funny it named came up yesterday. A J.

2404
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:02,880
Speaker 1: McCarron spent most of last year not playing for the Raiders,

2405
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 1: and now he is ready to spend most of this

2406
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:07,600
Speaker 1: upcoming year and not playing for the Houston Texans. Signed

2407
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 1: a one year deal three million dollars yesterday for the Texans.

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01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:15,040
Speaker 1: You kind of review his NFL resume, a total of

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01:57:15,160 --> 01:57:18,800
Speaker 1: twelve NFL starts, right, you have that right? He started,

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01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:21,800
Speaker 1: He's played in twelve NFL games. He hadn't started seven

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01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 1: games played for the Bengals in two fifteen when Andy

2412
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:28,760
Speaker 1: Dalton got hurt. A poor preseason for the Bills last year,

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01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 1: and now he gets a one year deal. It's only

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01:57:30,760 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 1: one year, It's only three million dollars. To me, McCarron

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01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:37,360
Speaker 1: is approaching that territory where you scratch it and say,

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01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 1: how does this guy still keep getting jobs? I really

2417
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:41,920
Speaker 1: think that not because He's not necessarily bad, but he

2418
01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:44,520
Speaker 1: just hasn't played much. I mean, no, I agree that

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01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:47,640
Speaker 1: he hasn't played much, But I mean, if EJ. Manuel

2420
01:57:47,720 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 1: still getting jobs, A J. Mccarrns should still get jobs. AJ.

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01:57:52,040 --> 01:57:55,800
Speaker 1: I think for him, when he had his opportunities in Cincinnati,

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01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:59,360
Speaker 1: he was able to do some relatively nice things. I

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01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:03,840
Speaker 1: think at most he is a backup for a team.

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01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 1: I think he probably wants to be more than that,

2425
01:58:07,360 --> 01:58:09,720
Speaker 1: and which is why he signed with Buffalo to begin with.

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01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 1: I also think in his mind, Houston represents an opportunity

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01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 1: where their quarterback gets hit a lot. He takes a

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01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:19,680
Speaker 1: lot of hits. There could be some chances that he

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01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 1: goes out with an injury and he might have an

2430
01:58:21,240 --> 01:58:24,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to prove himself. You have to. And you know,

2431
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:29,440
Speaker 1: he probably had so many teams um calling about his

2432
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:33,240
Speaker 1: services and that was probably the best opportunity of the

2433
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:36,120
Speaker 1: bunch for him in terms of his path to potential

2434
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:41,840
Speaker 1: playing time. So you know, he definitely did not do

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01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 1: himself any favors in training camp in preseason this this uh,

2436
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:49,840
Speaker 1: this past go round. But although we just on the

2437
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:55,320
Speaker 1: MSG side, reminded me his remarkable comeback in Chicago Man game.

2438
01:58:55,400 --> 01:58:56,920
Speaker 1: That was That was a lot of fun that night

2439
01:58:57,240 --> 01:59:00,480
Speaker 1: in Chicago, that deep throat of Robert Robert Fall. Yeah,

2440
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun. But look, and as

2441
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 1: far as it compares in to EJ, I get that,

2442
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 1: and EJ has not had a good NFL career at all.

2443
01:59:07,480 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 1: EJ has certain athleticism that AJ McCarron cannout approach, which

2444
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 1: is why I think he I wasn't even comparing them.

2445
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like, if EJ keeps getting opportunities, Nathan

2446
01:59:17,480 --> 01:59:21,000
Speaker 1: Peterman keeps getting opportunities, then AJ McCarron should probably get

2447
01:59:21,000 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 1: an opportunity somewhere to at least get through training camp

2448
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:25,840
Speaker 1: and he's in Houston. How much longer does that keep

2449
01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:27,960
Speaker 1: going for him? That's my only question. I don't know.

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01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:30,560
Speaker 1: Nobody knows the answered. You were a mccaren hater. I'm

2451
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:33,240
Speaker 1: not a hater. I just was unimpressed with his performance

2452
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:37,720
Speaker 1: last summer and unimpressed with his demeanor last summer. I

2453
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 1: didn't think he looked like he looked like he wasn't

2454
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 1: interested in in trying to be a Buffalo Bill last summer.

2455
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:44,760
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I think he last year

2456
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:49,320
Speaker 1: was probably a splash of cold water on his face

2457
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:52,200
Speaker 1: a bit to where it's He probably went into free

2458
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 1: agency had this idea that hey, I could be the

2459
01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:57,520
Speaker 1: guy somewhere and was hoping to get paid like that.

2460
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:01,160
Speaker 1: The whole if you remember the whole story with the

2461
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:05,000
Speaker 1: facts not going through with the trade with Cleveland, which

2462
02:00:05,080 --> 02:00:06,920
Speaker 1: was probably the best thing that ever happened with Cleveland

2463
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:11,280
Speaker 1: Browns and all of this stuff, that all these opportunities

2464
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 1: where he could have been a starter and all kind

2465
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:14,760
Speaker 1: of went to the wayside. So maybe there was a

2466
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:17,360
Speaker 1: little bit of like a growth period for him where

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02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:20,040
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, look, I thought I was going to

2468
02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:22,280
Speaker 1: get a chance. I'm not getting a chance. So maybe

2469
02:00:22,360 --> 02:00:26,840
Speaker 1: he's more, I guess, accustomed to life as a backup

2470
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:28,680
Speaker 1: at this point. It's a couple of the other NFL

2471
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:30,600
Speaker 1: notes today. We're gonna get to him as we approach

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02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:32,920
Speaker 1: NFL true or falls. But before we do that, one

2473
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:35,320
Speaker 1: other NFL note that is not included in true or Falls.

2474
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 1: Randall Copp, former Packers wide receiver, gets a one year

2475
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:40,880
Speaker 1: deal with the Cowboys. We move into Week two of

2476
02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:43,960
Speaker 1: NFL free agency on Tuesday night Wednesday, A couple of

2477
02:00:44,120 --> 02:00:48,120
Speaker 1: notable signings with some fairly big name guys, including Randall

2478
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:50,600
Speaker 1: Cobb for the Cowboys. Is I don't know what kind

2479
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:53,000
Speaker 1: of a difference he can make with the Dallas Cowboys,

2480
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:54,720
Speaker 1: to be honest with him, and I think it's a

2481
02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:57,440
Speaker 1: step down from what Dallas cap from Cole Beasley the

2482
02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,520
Speaker 1: last couple of years. He's twenty eight, but he's had

2483
02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:02,560
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries and he is not the same

2484
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:05,360
Speaker 1: player as when he entered the league. I loved Randall

2485
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:07,880
Speaker 1: Cobb coming out of college. His first few years in

2486
02:01:07,960 --> 02:01:13,440
Speaker 1: Green Bay were great. He was on the cusp of becoming,

2487
02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, top twenty, top twenty five receiver, but injuries

2488
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:19,800
Speaker 1: just take their toll with him, and he just he

2489
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:22,120
Speaker 1: doesn't look the same anymore. And I think he will

2490
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:24,200
Speaker 1: be effective for Dak Prescott. I think he'll put up

2491
02:01:24,240 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 1: some good stats. He's just he's just not the same

2492
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:28,480
Speaker 1: guy anymore. I mean, it's kind of the same phenomenon

2493
02:01:28,600 --> 02:01:31,000
Speaker 1: with you know, the guy that Bill's just heading for

2494
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,920
Speaker 1: a visit, Ziggy Anza. Ziggyonsa is not the top five

2495
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:37,040
Speaker 1: pick that everyone remembers him to be, but he still

2496
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:38,920
Speaker 1: has some talent left, which is why he's going to

2497
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:40,600
Speaker 1: get a look somewhere. All right, let's get to our

2498
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:42,760
Speaker 1: Twitter poll. Maybe you got a couple of thoughts remaining

2499
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:44,840
Speaker 1: on that if you're out there. So we dealt with

2500
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:47,640
Speaker 1: receivers earlier this week, Now we talk about the Bills

2501
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:50,720
Speaker 1: getting into the draft. Five weeks from tomorrow is Round

2502
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:53,320
Speaker 1: one for the Bills in the draft. Our question on

2503
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:56,120
Speaker 1: Twitter today, which you got pretty good response from. Our

2504
02:01:56,200 --> 02:01:59,120
Speaker 1: question is what do you think what's more important to

2505
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:01,440
Speaker 1: the Bills right now as they head into the draft.

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02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:05,040
Speaker 1: Is it offensive line or defensive line? Fifty eight percent

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02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:07,800
Speaker 1: of you think it's the offensive line, forty two say

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02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:10,840
Speaker 1: the defensive line. Joe and I both believe defensive line

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02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:13,360
Speaker 1: should be most important to the Bills right now. But

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02:02:13,480 --> 02:02:15,960
Speaker 1: I thought that Charles Davis made kind of a compelling

2511
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:18,800
Speaker 1: argument for offensive line. Joe, you got the quarterback, you

2512
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:20,920
Speaker 1: got to continue to build around him and surround him

2513
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:23,320
Speaker 1: with talent. My only counter argument to that is they

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02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:26,960
Speaker 1: did that, yeah, with five new players, and they're not

2515
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:29,720
Speaker 1: going to play all five players, and that they got

2516
02:02:29,800 --> 02:02:32,480
Speaker 1: from free agency, but they still armed themselves with enough talent.

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02:02:32,680 --> 02:02:35,720
Speaker 1: I still think there's room to add an offensive linement somewhere.

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02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:38,920
Speaker 1: I just don't necessarily think you have to jam a

2519
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:41,760
Speaker 1: ninth overall pick into the equation. A response to that

2520
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:44,440
Speaker 1: from the tweet sheet from Brian Greer when we asked

2521
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:47,280
Speaker 1: what's most important to the Bills in the twenty nineteen draft,

2522
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:49,960
Speaker 1: we seem more important, though we said most important. What's

2523
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,720
Speaker 1: most important? Brand Greer says, last year a defense is

2524
02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:55,400
Speaker 1: pretty decent. It needs a pass rush, but we did

2525
02:02:55,480 --> 02:02:59,920
Speaker 1: that decently with what we had. Our old line was horrible.

2526
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:02,000
Speaker 1: I think we need to turn the biggest weakness into

2527
02:03:02,040 --> 02:03:04,440
Speaker 1: one of our biggest strengths. Improvement to the old line

2528
02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:07,960
Speaker 1: would help Shady Josh and the wide receivers agreed, but

2529
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:10,440
Speaker 1: again you can here's the here's the counter argument to

2530
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:14,520
Speaker 1: your counter argument, Joe, who's the premium offensive lineman. They've

2531
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 1: added yeah, yeah, no, what anybody else? Not really premium?

2532
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:25,800
Speaker 1: You know, they've they've added guys and Seki backup, Feliciano, backup, Ule,

2533
02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:28,360
Speaker 1: Adrian Wildo backup. Yeah. But what premium guy are you

2534
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 1: getting at nine? That's my That's what we talked about

2535
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:36,040
Speaker 1: at twelve thirty. It's it's Juwan Taylor, who's a right

2536
02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:40,920
Speaker 1: tackle by trade. Um. I like Andre Dillard, though you

2537
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:44,000
Speaker 1: know that. What does that say for Dion Dawkins. I

2538
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:49,080
Speaker 1: just the way that offensive line is nowadays, you can

2539
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:53,000
Speaker 1: find guys later on and and still be successful or

2540
02:03:53,120 --> 02:03:56,760
Speaker 1: as pass rushers, interior pass rushers. Odds are you're finding

2541
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:59,480
Speaker 1: those guys near the top. I mean, there's some exceptions

2542
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:02,560
Speaker 1: to the world, but not a whole lot. And that's

2543
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 1: why to me, when you have a defensive line heavy

2544
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:10,440
Speaker 1: draft right near the top and you have so many

2545
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:13,320
Speaker 1: impact players that are going to be there, someone is

2546
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:16,960
Speaker 1: going to fall down to ninth overall. From that perspective,

2547
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:20,360
Speaker 1: whether it be at Oliver, It's probably not going to

2548
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:23,280
Speaker 1: be Quinnin Williams Bosa or Josh Allen, but Montes Sweat,

2549
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:27,040
Speaker 1: I mean, these are all these are players that can

2550
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:30,840
Speaker 1: have a huge impact to not only to just this year,

2551
02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:33,720
Speaker 1: but moving forward because they need moving forward more than anything.

2552
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:37,320
Speaker 1: Let's not forget at defensive end. And I bring this

2553
02:04:37,400 --> 02:04:41,080
Speaker 1: point up a lot, I know, but Jerry Hughes and

2554
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:44,040
Speaker 1: Shack Lawson are both free agents after the twenty nineteen season.

2555
02:04:44,120 --> 02:04:46,240
Speaker 1: You cannot just go into it by a year by

2556
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:48,400
Speaker 1: year basis. You have to account for the future as well.

2557
02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:50,960
Speaker 1: Good arguments. I hear the other argument as well. Now

2558
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:52,680
Speaker 1: it'side for NFL. True and false, brought to you a

2559
02:04:52,680 --> 02:04:56,320
Speaker 1: bout Yancy's fancy New York's artists and cheese. True or false,

2560
02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:59,040
Speaker 1: Joe and I will debate. Vontes Perfect is not a

2561
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:02,520
Speaker 1: dirty player, says he. Vantes Perfect on a conference call

2562
02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:06,360
Speaker 1: with the Raiders media, says, now, I'm not a dirty player.

2563
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:09,800
Speaker 1: I play a physical, physical position, middle linebacker, and I

2564
02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:11,840
Speaker 1: can't go in there playing Patty Cake. If I go

2565
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:13,920
Speaker 1: out there playing Patty Cake, I'm going to get run over.

2566
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:17,640
Speaker 1: He's probably right about that, But Vontes Perfect is not

2567
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:20,760
Speaker 1: a dirty player. That's a false. That's false. Well dirty

2568
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:24,040
Speaker 1: All's been dirty for years now. All I can recall

2569
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:28,680
Speaker 1: is the playoff game against the Steelers where he knocked

2570
02:05:28,840 --> 02:05:33,280
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and his head. Antonio Brown's head went all

2571
02:05:33,320 --> 02:05:37,040
Speaker 1: the way back and it was just a terrible look.

2572
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:40,560
Speaker 1: And oh god, I mean, there's so many examples of

2573
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:44,440
Speaker 1: Perfect towing the line and going over the line. It's

2574
02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:48,440
Speaker 1: just I get he wants to kind of get his

2575
02:05:48,600 --> 02:05:51,920
Speaker 1: reputation back in order, but he's going to a good

2576
02:05:51,960 --> 02:05:53,840
Speaker 1: place for his reputation. It's too late to get it

2577
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:56,240
Speaker 1: back in order. Right with all the fines and that's

2578
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:58,960
Speaker 1: some mentions have been levied against him late. That's something

2579
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:01,680
Speaker 1: that that's out of the barn Man. Richie Incognito was

2580
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:03,400
Speaker 1: fighting that for years, and I think he did kind

2581
02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:05,600
Speaker 1: of turn it around for himself a little bit near

2582
02:06:05,960 --> 02:06:08,000
Speaker 1: the end there in terms of he wasn't as dirty

2583
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:12,960
Speaker 1: as Vontes perfect that. It's true. Yeah, Vontes takes it

2584
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:16,080
Speaker 1: to the point where injuries might might enter into the

2585
02:06:16,160 --> 02:06:19,160
Speaker 1: equation and that's not. Okay. Here we go Part two.

2586
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:22,440
Speaker 1: NFL true or false? This is I think, let me

2587
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:24,880
Speaker 1: just say this, any we got to stop using articles

2588
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:30,160
Speaker 1: from Forbes Forbes dot com because seriously, it's it's it's

2589
02:06:30,240 --> 02:06:32,360
Speaker 1: not legit. And here's something that was in Forbes dot

2590
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:35,240
Speaker 1: com today. The NFL is a business with no place

2591
02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:39,480
Speaker 1: for loyalty. The writer in Forbes who wrote this may

2592
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:42,560
Speaker 1: find his name wrote this because obviously he's a Packers fan.

2593
02:06:43,120 --> 02:06:46,240
Speaker 1: His name was Bill Huber contributor, which means that Forbes,

2594
02:06:46,240 --> 02:06:48,680
Speaker 1: I think they pay you for anything just by the

2595
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:52,400
Speaker 1: what they published from you. Whatever. Because claim Matthews left,

2596
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:55,320
Speaker 1: because Randall Cobb left. This writer Bill Hubert says the

2597
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:58,440
Speaker 1: NFL is a business with no place for loyalty. By

2598
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:01,280
Speaker 1: the way, that's true, not because of Clay Matthews and

2599
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:04,400
Speaker 1: Randall cop Those are I'm not gonna say minor transactions,

2600
02:07:04,440 --> 02:07:07,000
Speaker 1: but they're not major transactions. Look, the NFL has never

2601
02:07:07,120 --> 02:07:10,200
Speaker 1: been a place with a strong sense of loyalty. It's true,

2602
02:07:10,600 --> 02:07:13,200
Speaker 1: but not because of no more Forbes articles. It's true

2603
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:16,560
Speaker 1: with a handful of exceptions, and they are rare where

2604
02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:20,280
Speaker 1: you have a player, one of which is happening right

2605
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:22,680
Speaker 1: now with the New York Giants. Yeah and yah, I'm

2606
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:26,960
Speaker 1: anning that's really the the starkest loyalty we have seen,

2607
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:31,560
Speaker 1: besides you know, the whole Tom Brady guy. Finally, NFL

2608
02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:36,120
Speaker 1: true or false, Teddy Bridgewater is the best backup quarterback

2609
02:07:36,200 --> 02:07:39,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL. That's a contention made on NBC Sports.

2610
02:07:41,880 --> 02:07:43,200
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to think who else would be in

2611
02:07:43,200 --> 02:07:49,320
Speaker 1: the conversation, Jacoby Brissette, Ryan Tannehill, Teddy Bridgewater. You know

2612
02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:51,360
Speaker 1: what I would pick? Teddy Bridgewater. I would say true.

2613
02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:55,640
Speaker 1: I'd say true, he's the best backup. I would say somebody, Um, no,

2614
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't think you are. I would say Teddy McCarron. No,

2615
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:06,640
Speaker 1: I would say true. If it were about potential. I'm

2616
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:10,160
Speaker 1: saying it's false because I don't know that he could

2617
02:08:10,200 --> 02:08:14,120
Speaker 1: come in and you know, steady the ship the same

2618
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:19,240
Speaker 1: way that say a Ryan Tannehill would. And I know

2619
02:08:19,400 --> 02:08:22,360
Speaker 1: Tannehill has his detractors out there, but he's still he's

2620
02:08:22,360 --> 02:08:24,760
Speaker 1: still a solid quarterback. He's going to be a good

2621
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:26,880
Speaker 1: backup in the league for the rest of his career.

2622
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:29,760
Speaker 1: I think I think he's right near the top for

2623
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:32,520
Speaker 1: backups in the league. And and I just don't know

2624
02:08:32,760 --> 02:08:34,960
Speaker 1: enough about Teddy Bridgewater at this point. I like Teddy.

2625
02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:38,120
Speaker 1: I wonder Bridgewater falls short because of who he'd have

2626
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:40,800
Speaker 1: to replace. A lot easier to fill the shoes of

2627
02:08:41,400 --> 02:08:44,360
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota than it will be if something ever happened

2628
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:47,080
Speaker 1: to Drew Brees. I suppose it's just I think it's

2629
02:08:47,080 --> 02:08:49,000
Speaker 1: a sample size thing for me because we haven't seen

2630
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:51,720
Speaker 1: a ton of Teddy and I want to see more

2631
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:53,800
Speaker 1: of him. I want to see him get an opportunity

2632
02:08:53,880 --> 02:08:57,160
Speaker 1: to start somewhere someday, but we just haven't seen that.

2633
02:08:57,280 --> 02:08:59,520
Speaker 1: Whereas Tannehill, he's been through it. He's did it for

2634
02:08:59,560 --> 02:09:02,160
Speaker 1: seven year years. And that's why I think, what if

2635
02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:04,600
Speaker 1: with what you typically want from a backup. You want

2636
02:09:04,680 --> 02:09:07,280
Speaker 1: someone that can come in and not completely screw it

2637
02:09:07,400 --> 02:09:09,400
Speaker 1: up and put yourself in the spot to win, and

2638
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:10,880
Speaker 1: he can make some good throws here and there. So

2639
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,080
Speaker 1: I would probably go with Tannehill being the best backup

2640
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:14,960
Speaker 1: in the league. Personnel people in the league have said

2641
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:17,000
Speaker 1: that you want your backup quarterback if he's playing a

2642
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:19,880
Speaker 1: couple games more than one to go five hundred. You

2643
02:09:20,080 --> 02:09:22,160
Speaker 1: believe that I'd like to hold him to a slightly

2644
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:25,760
Speaker 1: higher standard than that on a good team, Let's not

2645
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:29,680
Speaker 1: just subtle for a five hundred performance. I suppose. I suppose,

2646
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:32,800
Speaker 1: But that's to say that there are more than thirty

2647
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:35,960
Speaker 1: two capable quarterbacks out there. Are there thirty two capable

2648
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:39,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks of starting in the NFL marginal? Yes? Yeah, there

2649
02:09:39,400 --> 02:09:41,600
Speaker 1: go NFL? True or false. It's brought to you by Yancey's,

2650
02:09:41,640 --> 02:09:43,920
Speaker 1: Fancy New York's artists and Cheese Joe and I coming

2651
02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:46,520
Speaker 1: back with more. One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health

2652
02:09:46,560 --> 02:10:05,000
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Well

2653
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:06,880
Speaker 1: we always take stock and where we've been today? What

2654
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:09,400
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Speaker 1: Theater Provider or the Buffalo Bills Good Show Today, Charles

2658
02:10:18,240 --> 02:10:20,240
Speaker 1: Davis from the NFL Network joined us. He is their

2659
02:10:20,600 --> 02:10:24,080
Speaker 1: NFL Draft analysts, and he talked about how offensive line

2660
02:10:24,120 --> 02:10:27,760
Speaker 1: should be the focus for the Bills. Most important line offensor, defenses.

2661
02:10:27,800 --> 02:10:30,000
Speaker 1: Offensive line. For Charles Davis, when he looks at the

2662
02:10:30,080 --> 02:10:35,680
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Buffalo Bills, listen, I've got a young quarterback

2663
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:38,440
Speaker 1: that I've got to get right, and the models I've

2664
02:10:38,520 --> 02:10:42,240
Speaker 1: seen has been pretty strong along the way. You build

2665
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:45,320
Speaker 1: around that kid, and you build to protect that kid.

2666
02:10:46,160 --> 02:10:48,200
Speaker 1: That's just kind of how is you're going to invest

2667
02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:50,400
Speaker 1: in it. You've been to invest all the way in it,

2668
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:54,240
Speaker 1: all right, Take a look around, Jared Goff. Look at

2669
02:10:54,280 --> 02:10:57,320
Speaker 1: what they did going and getting Andrew Whitworth, John Sullivan

2670
02:10:57,440 --> 02:11:00,720
Speaker 1: to be from the offensive line, and the last years,

2671
02:11:00,840 --> 02:11:03,680
Speaker 1: the five guys that starting game one, we're the same

2672
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:06,640
Speaker 1: five guys that finished the season, which is really unusual,

2673
02:11:06,680 --> 02:11:09,440
Speaker 1: as you guys know. But they've gone two strange years

2674
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:12,320
Speaker 1: with the same starting five to protect that young kid,

2675
02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:14,760
Speaker 1: and it paid off in the Super Bowl. I just

2676
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:16,760
Speaker 1: think that if you're going to invest in that quarterback

2677
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:19,400
Speaker 1: that early, you better take care of him. Charl Davis

2678
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:21,320
Speaker 1: says it's the offensive line that should be the focus.

2679
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:24,200
Speaker 1: Also on the show, Will Brinson joined us from CBS

2680
02:11:24,240 --> 02:11:27,320
Speaker 1: Sports dot Com. He says in his analysis, the Bills

2681
02:11:27,360 --> 02:11:29,879
Speaker 1: were a winner in the first week of NFL free agency.

2682
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:33,680
Speaker 1: You know, I thought that the Bills did a really

2683
02:11:33,720 --> 02:11:36,200
Speaker 1: good job of going out of free agency and sort of,

2684
02:11:36,920 --> 02:11:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, understanding that they needed to add add some

2685
02:11:42,760 --> 02:11:46,840
Speaker 1: pieces without getting crazy. But I did like the idea

2686
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:48,840
Speaker 1: that they went out and got Cold Beasley, you know,

2687
02:11:49,080 --> 02:11:51,440
Speaker 1: a fought weapon, a short yardage guy who should have

2688
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:54,480
Speaker 1: improved Josh Allen's accuracy. And then they added John Brown,

2689
02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:56,840
Speaker 1: who I've loved since he came out of college. And

2690
02:11:57,120 --> 02:11:59,960
Speaker 1: Josh Allen has a hard time finding somebody who care

2691
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:02,200
Speaker 1: and you know, who can actually get under his deep

2692
02:12:02,240 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 1: a pass. So I think there's some real opportunities for

2693
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:07,840
Speaker 1: shot plays there. And then Tyler Croft. The Tydan market

2694
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:10,160
Speaker 1: was pretty expensive, but I think Croft is a guy

2695
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:13,640
Speaker 1: you know you can beat. Again. You're beefing up the middle.

2696
02:12:13,880 --> 02:12:17,560
Speaker 1: You're giving some some high target weapons thanks to will

2697
02:12:17,600 --> 02:12:20,040
Speaker 1: Brinson and Charles Davis for joining us on the show today.

2698
02:12:20,080 --> 02:12:22,480
Speaker 1: We talked a lot about offensive line and defensive line.

2699
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:25,760
Speaker 1: Joe Uscott, you did a great breakdown of both of those,

2700
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:28,080
Speaker 1: the premium picks that maybe we'll be there for the

2701
02:12:28,160 --> 02:12:30,280
Speaker 1: Bills in Round one or early in the draft. In

2702
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:32,280
Speaker 1: our Twitter poll what's most important to the Bills in

2703
02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:35,280
Speaker 1: this year's NFL Draft? With about one thousand votes in

2704
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:37,640
Speaker 1: eighty or I'm sorry, fifty eight percent of you said

2705
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:41,640
Speaker 1: offensive line, forty two percent say a defensive line, and

2706
02:12:41,720 --> 02:12:43,800
Speaker 1: Joy just can't help but thinking you and I both

2707
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:46,800
Speaker 1: picked defensive line because that's where the players seem to

2708
02:12:46,840 --> 02:12:50,040
Speaker 1: be in this draft, right, Yeah, that way, Yeah, it is.

2709
02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:54,360
Speaker 1: And when you have the opportunity to get guys like

2710
02:12:55,320 --> 02:13:01,160
Speaker 1: let's see Montes sweat Ed, Oliver Rashaan Erry, Brian Burns,

2711
02:13:01,240 --> 02:13:05,280
Speaker 1: Cleveland Farrell and if less so Ferrell, but or Christian Wilkins,

2712
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:07,880
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle from Clemson. I mean, when you have

2713
02:13:08,200 --> 02:13:12,440
Speaker 1: that opportunity, those are potential premium players that you can

2714
02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:16,360
Speaker 1: get at ninth overall. And still ninth is a good pick.

2715
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:18,840
Speaker 1: It's not the best pick, but you are going to

2716
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:21,520
Speaker 1: get some high value at a major position of need

2717
02:13:22,080 --> 02:13:24,880
Speaker 1: along that defensive line, which is why I just absolutely

2718
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:27,480
Speaker 1: love the idea of adding them adding a defensive lineman. Jo.

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02:13:27,560 --> 02:13:30,040
Speaker 1: We've really enjoyed having you here the last three days.

2720
02:13:30,320 --> 02:13:33,920
Speaker 1: Chris Brown is in tomorrow, and I want to let

2721
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:36,320
Speaker 1: you tell us again. You've got a mock draft coming

2722
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:39,560
Speaker 1: up on www dot com what tonight. Yeah, well, it'll

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Speaker 1: be up sometime within the next hour and a half.

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Speaker 1: I just have to proof read it and put it

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Speaker 1: out onto the underwebs proof reading. Who proof reads anymore?

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Speaker 1: But then we'll get you on again right as we

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Speaker 1: approach the draft. Yeah. Absolutely, you know I'm a draft

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Speaker 1: nerd out I'll be here, That's no question about that.

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Speaker 1: We got another nerd, Chris Brown coming in to do

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Speaker 1: the show tomorrow, and a good show tomorrow with Mike

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Speaker 1: Grenner from Pro Football Focus and Bill's a special teamer

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Speaker 1: Andre Roberts coming on the show tomorrow and make sure

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Speaker 1: you join us at noon. Production assistants George Blast, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Colteneck Thomas, Honander, Kelly Rude, I'm JJ Tarito, Kevin Carters,

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Speaker 1: James Robell, our producer Jay Harris. We'll see tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: noon one Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive on Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bill's Radio