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Speaker 1: Welcome into dag Dam this morning. I'm Taen. Nannie Stevens,

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Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, and John Ogier are with me as the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars get ready for Week five they're gonna face off

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Speaker 1: against the Colts here in Jacksonville. Let's start out with

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Speaker 1: our big things today. Big thing number one is next question.

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Speaker 1: A lot of national media reporting that there's issues within

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Speaker 1: the locker room here in Jacksonville, that some of the

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Speaker 1: players have lost their faith and head coach Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Doug Peterson weigh in saying he didn't feel

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Speaker 1: that was the case, but of course that's what you

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Speaker 1: expect your coach to say. Of course, hearing from your

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Speaker 1: leader of the team, Trevor Lawrence is very definitive.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I.

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't even have to You got to do your job

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Speaker 3: for you gotta ask it, but I shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Even have to answer it.

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Speaker 3: I mean not at all. I don't know where that's

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Speaker 1: So Brian, Trevor Lawrence is pretty much said next question

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Speaker 1: when they asked him about Doug losing the locker room.

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Speaker 1: You've been around a lot of different teams here. Trevor

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Speaker 1: didn't even take much heed to it at all.

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Speaker 4: No, he didn't, which was a great leadership indicator. You know.

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Speaker 4: Look in today's social media world, anyone anywhere can say

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Speaker 4: anything and there's no accountability. It just is. And the

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Speaker 4: business isn't the same as the one that I grew

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Speaker 4: up in, but you're going to get it. The players

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Speaker 4: know what, the coaches know it. It's why neither of

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Speaker 4: those gentlemen overreacted to the question. I went into the

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Speaker 4: locker room yesterday and I heard other reporters now asking

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Speaker 4: the questions. So something that really wasn't a story became

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Speaker 4: a story. I didn't hear any frustration. I didn't hear

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Speaker 4: any discussed. I've been around long enough that I know

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Speaker 4: what I'm listening to, and I can look into player's eyes.

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Speaker 4: This locker room is one hundred percent Still, I probably

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Speaker 4: shouldn't say one hundred. There's probably a player or two

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Speaker 4: their way. It's never perfect, but it is strongly behind Doug.

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Speaker 4: There is no indication of this whatsoever.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you're oh and four and you're not in

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Speaker 5: your first year as a head coach. There's going to

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Speaker 5: be stories about this sort of thing. There's going to

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Speaker 5: be people calling and texting people in the locker room

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Speaker 5: trying to get at this sort of thing. There is

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Speaker 5: probably one in three teams in the NFL where there

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Speaker 5: are worse situations, but nobody's calling those because they don't

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Speaker 5: have the worst record in the NFL. So I think

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Speaker 5: a lot of that is circumstantial. Look at oh to

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Speaker 5: four eventually losing the locker room. There is a place

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Speaker 5: Ohen somewhere where that's a concern. But I'm with Brian.

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Speaker 5: It's always a concern when you're losing.

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Speaker 6: But I'm with.

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Speaker 5: Brian talking to Christian Kirk, talking to people yesterday. I

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Speaker 5: don't think this is the storyline of this organization right now.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, John, because you're here. In ninety six,

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Speaker 4: Tom Coughlin was on the verge. If you hadn't lost

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Speaker 4: the locker room at four and seven, it was bad. However,

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Speaker 4: if Doug had some guys who were disgruntled, go win

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Speaker 4: on Sunday. Go put a couple of wins together in London,

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Speaker 4: and the locker room is all back. Human nature says.

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Speaker 4: When it gets tough, I'm not as happy. Okay, that

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Speaker 6: I hadn't been happy in about twenty years.

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Speaker 1: John, We're our best, Okay, we're trying.

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Speaker 4: I get.

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Speaker 1: Winning will fix a lot of things we do. It

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Speaker 1: is important to remember we are not. We still got

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Speaker 1: three quarters of the season to go. Our next big

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Speaker 1: thing today is gonna be old school. A lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about Tom Coughlin this week, as he will be

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Speaker 1: honored on Sunday. Doug Peterson was asked a little bit

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're necessarily, not all of them. I

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Speaker 1: John, you like to take get old school from time

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Speaker 5: Well, but I think you still have to have the

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Speaker 5: same basic tenants as a head coach. You have to lead,

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Speaker 5: you have to have players believing in you. And I

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Speaker 5: do believe that players, like anybody, they still want discipline,

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Speaker 5: I think you just sort of I think I think

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Speaker 5: it's a degree thing. I think if Tom were coaching today,

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Speaker 5: But you know, I still think the old school followed

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Speaker 5: my direction. I still think it's necessary in the NFL

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Speaker 5: because you're dealing with seventy eighty personalities. But I think

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Speaker 5: maybe coaches enunciated a touch softer than maybe Tom did.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, are there any time about the hug?

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Speaker 4: trying to think if there's a coach in the league

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Speaker 4: today that fits that old school. Tom Coughlin, Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 4: he was the most recent you know style, and there

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Speaker 4: just aren't any which tells you that players don't communicate

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Speaker 4: And you know, when Tom was coaching in New York,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to say I could answer it questions

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Speaker 4: I just cam Robinson yesterday, who's the last player in

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Speaker 4: It was easier for him because he knew what to expect.

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Speaker 4: And that's what I think is missing. I think in

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Speaker 4: what you're talking about. Is Tony Dungee. I mean Tony,

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Speaker 4: everyone knew what to expect. He didn't yell and scream.

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Speaker 4: He was old school, and essentially he came up from

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Speaker 5: It's still consistency. Players still want to know where they stand.

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Speaker 5: I think they just want it with a little maybe

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Speaker 5: Campbell makes the work a little bit.

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Speaker 6: I think you have to let him know you love him.

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Speaker 5: And that's probably the key these days.

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Speaker 6: You can't just be all hard school all the time.

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Speaker 1: Final big thing is vintage. We are finally getting these

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Speaker 1: Prowler throwback uniforms. They're going to be done for the

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Speaker 1: first time this year on Sunday against the Colts. Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence excited about that, but more excited about getting the win.

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Speaker 4: The throwbacks.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the uniforms are sweet and just to distribute for

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Speaker 3: it's been what thirty thirty years or so, So it's

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Speaker 3: cool to be able to wear those uniforms and put

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Speaker 3: on Sunday. And you know, but we got to worry

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Speaker 3: about this final way to win the Game's that'll be

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Speaker 3: the best way to represent the city is go win

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Speaker 3: the game, right.

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Speaker 1: And these the uniforms everybody wanted. We're all excited about that,

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Speaker 1: but it's a monumental day for the franchise as well,

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Speaker 1: so important to go out and have a good performance.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, let's make what is a day to celebrate,

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Speaker 4: right Tom Kaughlin going into the Pride of the Jaguars

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Speaker 4: the Legends weekend, so there'd be a lot of former

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Speaker 4: it more than just memorable, right, get a win, something

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Speaker 4: I wasn't all on the vintage, the throwback train. Maybe

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Speaker 4: But this week, as we've gotten closer and yesterday I

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Speaker 4: saw John the logo on helmets, the old logo on

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Speaker 4: I'll never forget the first time I saw the uniforms

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Speaker 4: on the field for the very first time in Canton,

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Speaker 4: But I felt that because all the months and all

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're sharp uniforms. Yeah, and get a win in him.

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Speaker 5: You know, I wouldn't mind if these were always the uniforms.

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Speaker 5: I'm not a uniform guy, but I look at him

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Speaker 6: So I'm looking forward to seeing him on the field.

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Speaker 1: We got John on board. We're going to switching back

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Speaker 1: to the Prowler uniforms permanently. I think that's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Stay with this here on jag ZAM, we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk more about Tom Coughlin and his influence on the franchise.

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Speaker 4: There's a snap that slow the placement. The kick is blocked.

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Speaker 6: It's block.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars have won it.

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Speaker 7: The Jaguars have picked the ball up, raced it down

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Speaker 7: the sideline. There he goes, They're gonna score touchdown Jacksonville.

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Speaker 7: Chris Hutson picks up the block and races downfield and

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Speaker 7: the Jaguars have picked the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Lots of memorable moments with Tom Coughlin as the head

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Speaker 1: coach here and as Jim as well.

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Speaker 6: But let's talk a little Tom.

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Speaker 1: So why not he's gonna have his dance Sunday.

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Speaker 4: That was the first Monday night game in franchise history,

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Speaker 4: and Mark Brunell returned that night. I never forget he

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Speaker 4: had injured his knee in the Monday night and not

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Speaker 4: the money in the preseason. Jesse Armstead for the Giants

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Speaker 4: He was told by Wayne Weaver when Wayne hired him,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's such a almost shows you, no matter how

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Speaker 5: There have been people who say, well, why is he

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Speaker 6: What a will.

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Speaker 5: It was of his to make the organization what it was.

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Speaker 4: He knows him too.

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Speaker 5: You can't have a pride of the Jaguars to me

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Speaker 4: Cos there's absolutely one. Tom Coughlin was the heartbeat of

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Speaker 1: I think his style obviously not for everybody, but having

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Speaker 4: Everything was good and everything that wasn't so good, and

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Speaker 6: That mantle and the thing that I loved. We had

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Speaker 5: It's Past Friday, a media gathering for Tom or with

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Speaker 5: If he had been left to his devices, both couldn't

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Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, Tom Landry was one of the people that

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Speaker 1: When you talk about him going into the Pride of

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Speaker 4: his desk, and they were facing a direction I could see,

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Speaker 4: and Tom caught me trying to read the names on

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Speaker 4: the label quickly turned it around right, But the number

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Speaker 4: one name was Mark Brunell. And so he had done

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Speaker 4: an enormous amount of work on the quarterback who was

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Speaker 4: a backup to Brett Farr in Green Bay and let

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Speaker 4: the process play out and made the trade for Mark

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Speaker 4: the night before the draft. So they introduce him and

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Speaker 4: then they don't know what to do with him the

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Speaker 4: night before the draft, right, they're they're so busy in

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Speaker 4: the draft. Tom hands me a credit card and says,

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Speaker 4: take him to dinner. And so here's the franchise quarterback

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Speaker 4: going to dinner with a radio guy and he's just

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Speaker 4: asking all sorts of questions about Tom, and I said,

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Speaker 4: buckle up. And of course they had an incredible run together.

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Speaker 5: John.

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Speaker 1: When we talk about Jimmy Smith coming to town and

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Speaker 1: kind of what he became when he got here, that

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Speaker 1: was someone Tom went and got as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, Jimmy's story. He had been a high level

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Speaker 5: draft pick in Dallas. A lot of talent was sick

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Speaker 5: dealt with some health issues all along, but he was

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Speaker 5: sort of an example Brian of the kind of guy

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Speaker 5: that Tom. I guess, no matter who you were, where

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Speaker 5: you would come from, meaning draft status, how you got

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Speaker 5: to the team.

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Speaker 6: Really didn't matter, you know.

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Speaker 5: And I think Jimmy was probably another one of those

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Speaker 5: guys when he played for Tom. Being young, may not

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Speaker 5: have really understood how much Tom loved Jimmy. But now

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Speaker 5: when you talk to Tom about Jimmy, he'll basically say,

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Speaker 5: you know, if if we had single, we were going

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Speaker 5: to jim and appreciates the special level of talent that

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Speaker 5: Jimmy was. And I think, like most of the guys

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Speaker 5: were talking about, Tom probably never showed these guys how

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Speaker 5: much he loved them when he when they played for him.

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Speaker 5: But their respect he had for Fred's talent, the awe

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Speaker 5: that he had for Keenan McCardell's toughness, all those things.

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Speaker 5: That's why their relationships are strong now.

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Speaker 4: A great example of the man that Tom Coughlin was

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Speaker 4: as a coach. Jimmy Smith kind of came along slowly

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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety five, but we were in Denver in

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Speaker 4: December of nineteen ninety five, and this may be that game,

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Speaker 4: He's no, that's the ninety seven day. Yeah, that's ninety

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Speaker 4: six playoffs, which was one of his biggest catches. Jimmy

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Speaker 4: had three touchdowns that day, three different ways, one on

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Speaker 4: a throwback kickoff return with Desmond Howard, one on a

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Speaker 4: blocked punt, and one as a wide receiver. And still

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Speaker 4: Tom made him earn it. The next year he went

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Speaker 4: and signed Andre Risen, and Andre brought something out in Jimmy,

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Speaker 4: but Tom knew Jimmy wasn't ready. He wasn't quite there.

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Speaker 4: But the minute that he was, he went into the

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Speaker 4: starting lineup. And of course when you watch this highly

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Speaker 4: the Jaguars, he's the best receiver in franchise history. Obviously

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Speaker 4: they haven't had anyone who even holds a candle to

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Speaker 4: him since he was a prolific talent. And Tom could

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Speaker 4: see it coming, but didn't put it on the stage

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Speaker 4: before it was ready.

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Speaker 1: I think what will make Sunday even more special. A

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys are gonna be here for that

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Speaker 1: ceremony as well, to share that with Tom. And we'll

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more later in the show about

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Speaker 1: what that ceremony exactly is gonna be. But stay with

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Speaker 1: us here on Jacksam, we'll get back talking football what

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Speaker 1: we expect to see against the Colts on Sunday. Jag

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Speaker 1: best at predicting what we think the headlines are gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Actually on Monday morning after this game, I it's the cults, Brian.

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Speaker 1: When you look ahead, what are you hoping to see?

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Speaker 1: What do you think the headlines will be?

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Speaker 4: I think the headline will be seems like old Times,

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Speaker 4: which is a double play on obviously it's Legends weekend.

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Speaker 4: But I think the Jaguars find a way to get

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Speaker 4: a win on Sunday. I was walking through the locker

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Speaker 4: room yesterday looking hard for signs of division or resilience.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to have used that word so much. I

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Speaker 4: wanted to see a resilient group of guys, and I did.

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Speaker 4: I talked to them, I know you did too, John.

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Speaker 4: I just I have the sense that this is the

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Speaker 4: week that they find a way to win a close game.

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Speaker 4: At the end. It helps them that there are some

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Speaker 4: key pieces of that Indianapolis defense and maybe Jonathan Taylor

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Speaker 4: that won't play. But I think that they get a

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Speaker 4: throwback win on a throwback weekend.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, you're you're at home and you ought to win.

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Speaker 5: So my headline is just what they needed. Meaning you're

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Speaker 5: playing a team that you had to have confidence against

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Speaker 5: because you've beaten them here a lot, beat them twice

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Speaker 5: last year. They're at home with the throwback, so maybe

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Speaker 5: all of that is just what they needed to get

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Speaker 5: a win, and boy do they need it. I don't

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Speaker 5: think they're as far away or as awful as many

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Speaker 5: observers are saying. I don't believe there's the vision, but

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Speaker 5: I do believe there's an element right now of.

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Speaker 6: Hey, we at some point we got to do this.

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Speaker 6: Let's do it.

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Speaker 5: And I do think the adrenaline the home crowd, I

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Speaker 5: think there'll be enough.

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Speaker 4: On Sunday, I saw some percentage odds of teams who

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Speaker 4: with losing records to make the playoffs, and the Jaguars

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Speaker 4: were at thirteen point seven percent, and I went, So

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Speaker 4: you're saying there's a chance. So the optimist in me,

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Speaker 4: the sunny eyed optimist in me, says, okay, right, go

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Speaker 4: get this one. Go to London where you've had success

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Speaker 4: and see if you can't build something. And a perfect

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Speaker 4: place to start. The legends are back, the coach is

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Speaker 4: going into the Ring of honor. You're wearing the throwback

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Speaker 4: uniforms to get everybody charged up. Take advantage of this

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Speaker 4: right here and right now. It isn't often in life

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Speaker 4: that you as many second chances as this team may get.

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Speaker 4: Go take advantage of it, all right.

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Speaker 1: I think we're all gonna be optimistic this week. I

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of reasons to be. I'm going

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Speaker 1: with picture perfect. I think this is finally when the

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Speaker 1: defense gets some turnovers in this game. It's either gonna

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Speaker 1: be Joe Flacco or it's gonna be Anthony Richardson, who

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Speaker 1: may be limited because of his hip injury. Either way,

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see a lot of passing. Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Taylor probably not gonna go because of a high ankle sprain.

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Speaker 1: Perfect opportunity. Let's get a couple turnovers, pick off one

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Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks, whoever it might be, give the offense

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of an opportunity to get things going.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of injuries on the Colts defense

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Speaker 1: as well, so everything stacking up. I know this is

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Speaker 1: on paper. I know that we have not seen what

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Speaker 1: we expected to see from the team this year, but

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Speaker 1: we did see a lot more from them of what

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Speaker 1: we expect against the Texans. I feel that it's turned

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Speaker 1: the corner a little bit and I'm hoping we see

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Speaker 1: finally the first win of the season. So stay with

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Speaker 1: us on Jagsam. Coming up, we will have a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about what's gonna happen for Tom Kaughlan's ceremony

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Speaker 8: Fright away, I'll get Tom Cofflin memories.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking through their playoff win in Denver, sending

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Speaker 1: them to the FC Championship Game nineteen ninety six. What

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Speaker 1: are we going to experience for Tom Coughlin ceremony on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Brind Well. First of all, I just want to thank

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Speaker 4: the Jaguars for the opportunity to present him, because a

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Speaker 4: lot of people that probably wanted the opportunity to do that,

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Speaker 4: and I am grateful for it. I'm going to introduce

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Speaker 4: him first of all. We're going to put a teal

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Speaker 4: jacket on him. That's a new tradition that the Pride

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Speaker 4: of the Jaguars are introducing. So Tony Boselli and and

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Speaker 4: Fred Taylor and Jimmy Smith will join us on stage

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Speaker 4: as we introduced Tom. There'll be an amazing video and

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Speaker 4: then Tom will get to speak and I kind of

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Speaker 4: have a preview with some of the things he wants

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Speaker 4: to talk about. It's gonna be awesome. I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: just he's such an important piece of so many people

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Speaker 4: my life obviously as you can tell listening to me,

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Speaker 4: but this franchise, and I am just so grateful for

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Speaker 4: the opportunity to be here thirty years later with the

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Speaker 4: man who was the most tireless, the strongest benefactor, who

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Speaker 4: still is for this team in this town. For him

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Speaker 4: to go in is it's gonna be a emotional moment beautiful.

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Speaker 1: If you're not in house for it, we're gonna carry

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Speaker 1: it live on radio. It'll be on Jaguars dot Com

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Speaker 1: as well, so you can check it out there and

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Speaker 1: hopefully everything capped off with a win as well. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the game, enjoy the throwbacks. We'll see you back here

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Speaker 1: in jag Vam on Monday morning,