Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and Michael Coughlin, and I
Speaker 1: heard radio podcast wind Down on location Beach Front. We
Speaker 1: are in a beach front room right now. We're in Wilmington,
Speaker 1: North Carolina. This is just adults in socks. Right now.
Speaker 1: We have like a room full of like adults don't
Speaker 1: like their socks. Isn't it weird? It's like there's no
Speaker 1: one between. I do not like wearing socks. So when
Speaker 1: you go to a person's house, I think it's so weird.
Speaker 1: If a grown person, grown adult is just walking around
Speaker 1: in socks, I just I find it so bare feet
Speaker 1: is okay, shoes is obviously normal, but walking around the socks,
Speaker 1: walking around socks, I just think it is so silly.
Speaker 1: I can't do it. But then at the same time, though,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what if you don't have like, you know,
Speaker 1: what if I don't know if I want someone walking
Speaker 1: around barefoot too, if they're like, like, if you have
Speaker 1: other adults coming to your house, you shouldn't enforce the
Speaker 1: take off your shoes policy. We don't do that, but
Speaker 1: I do know some people that do. But again, it's
Speaker 1: like if it's like your core close group of friends
Speaker 1: or family, or like immediate family, Okay, fine, shoes off
Speaker 1: for socks off. Like she's irregardless if it's your closest
Speaker 1: friends or your immediate family. If you want to make
Speaker 1: them take their shoes off and there in socks, fine,
Speaker 1: But you don't have a big group of friends or
Speaker 1: a big family, everyone take your shoes off. You're meeting
Speaker 1: other grown men in their socks. I just think it's
Speaker 1: so weird, which is why I don't wear socks, and
Speaker 1: in general, I don't wear socks. I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: we all know you wear two pairs of socks, but
Speaker 1: I just I just don't like wearing socks. I don't.
Speaker 1: It's so because it's just when, because you know when
Speaker 1: you're gonna take your shoe off. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be stuck in socks one because they're always mismatched. To
Speaker 1: which Janna tried to do my laundry more time. This
Speaker 1: is the last time I had to do my whoa,
Speaker 1: this is the last time. This is when I told
Speaker 1: or not to touch my socks. But later laundry. I've
Speaker 1: the last months I've done your socks. Yes I have.
Speaker 1: I've folded all of them and just I just put
Speaker 1: them away. You don't know us. Six months since we've
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville, I've been folding your socks and doing
Speaker 1: them right and unfolding them out of the other ones
Speaker 1: because the doubles. Anyways, I don't I don't have to
Speaker 1: put up cameras or something because I don't have any
Speaker 1: proof of this. Yes, wow, yeah, I haven't really noticed that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I put them away for you. I've been putting
Speaker 1: away you were closes for you. Anyways, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: the notice that I've like put your clothes away when
Speaker 1: you have I've acknowledged, but I've done your socks. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's a light load that week wasn't okay moving about
Speaker 1: socks anyways. That just messed everything up. Now everyone's all rattled. Everyone.
Speaker 1: They sit in the room with us, like, this is
Speaker 1: what this podcast is about. Glad, I'm not listening to
Speaker 1: this one. She's upset about the fact that he doesn't
Speaker 1: remember that she puts away his socks. But go ahead. So,
Speaker 1: and it's been a year since I put away your socks.
Speaker 1: So we're here in Wilmington, North Carolina for a one
Speaker 1: tree year. I really needed to finish that. Our listeners
Speaker 1: do not need to hear the rest of that. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're here in Wilmington, North Carolina for one Tree Hill convention. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you're excited. I'm so excited. I'm so pumped. The
Speaker 1: fans love my love, love my Tree Hillers. Every time
Speaker 1: I ever um perform somewhere, I always think my Tree Hillers.
Speaker 1: I always dedicated a song to them because there they
Speaker 1: were there for me from the very beginning. I mean
Speaker 1: so much so that tonight when I was saying that
Speaker 1: to them, I started crying. And I'm so silly, why
Speaker 1: because I do hate crying on stage. It makes me
Speaker 1: and on the podcast, what you did that last week?
Speaker 1: But like not it's not to a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: get it. You know, I'm still embarrassed, but not to
Speaker 1: like but it's seeing it, but it's real. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that emotion was real, just because I'm I'm super
Speaker 1: thankful for that. Who knows, I wouldn't have never gotten
Speaker 1: a record deal ever, right, I would not have got
Speaker 1: a record deal in a million years. It launched you.
Speaker 1: It was your it was your launching pad. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted to say thank you. And so when I
Speaker 1: said that, I just I just I just kind all
Speaker 1: choked up understandably, so, but I just I've always loved
Speaker 1: my Tree Hillers and I've always appreciated them, and so
Speaker 1: that's why, you know. And then I said I won't
Speaker 1: give up on you. And then I said I won't
Speaker 1: give up. Well, I will say I've been uh enjoying
Speaker 1: being here and kind of witnessing all of it and
Speaker 1: seeing you in this element of where like Janet Kramer
Speaker 1: was born, the place you were conceived, you know, and
Speaker 1: just to see the support because I've always seen that
Speaker 1: your shows, even before I even knew what the heck
Speaker 1: a One Tree Hill. Well, here's the thing, because because yeah,
Speaker 1: because obviously people who listen to this podcast know that
Speaker 1: Mike never watched One Tree Hill and you know, um,
Speaker 1: and so I mean, granted I haven't seen all of
Speaker 1: them either, but but but but but you know, when
Speaker 1: he go to shows, I would say, all right, where
Speaker 1: am I One Tree Hiller is at? And I mean
Speaker 1: every single show, the crowd goes louder than I mean,
Speaker 1: the crowd goes crazy. Even my band guys are always
Speaker 1: like whoa, because it's just they overpower their own Yes
Speaker 1: they do, which is why again I'm always so thankful
Speaker 1: for them, and you know, and you were like, who
Speaker 1: are these one Tree hillers? And now you were able
Speaker 1: to meet them and see them. I was I never
Speaker 1: really got it. So I figured and those of you
Speaker 1: who are at the show to I understand this, heard
Speaker 1: this story, but I'm gonna say for our listeners who
Speaker 1: weren't there in the crowd. But I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're coming to Wilmington. I've been putting off watching any
Speaker 1: of the show I've seen, like the time you saying
Speaker 1: I saw the at and I think the time you're
Speaker 1: like in the bathtub slitty wrist or something spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, let me download some
Speaker 1: episodes to watch on the way to Wilmington's too, like
Speaker 1: One Free Hill Country. So I do that and I'm watching.
Speaker 1: I download the first Chevel that Jana is in in
Speaker 1: season seven, and I just keep looking over at her
Speaker 1: and she's like what finally like take my headphones off.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're the worst. I'm like, Alex do pray sucks.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've caught myself like looking over you
Speaker 1: with a face like damn, but it was it was
Speaker 1: just your character. Yeah. I was like, this is so
Speaker 1: started out that. I was like, this is so not you,
Speaker 1: first of all, So it's weird for me to be like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're like straight up actually like this is acting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, this is so not you.
Speaker 1: It's the farthest thing from your character. So it's just
Speaker 1: weird to see because I mean, my character was an
Speaker 1: alcoholic drug user. I've never touched a drug or been
Speaker 1: drunk in my life. So it was just like so polar,
Speaker 1: just mean to everybody, and you know, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: was just like my whole and that's what I was
Speaker 1: asking the crowd, and I was like, how do you
Speaker 1: guys like her? The character? It's just the character, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think she becomes redeemable. I'm gonna we'll
Speaker 1: talk more about that later, but yeah, because you're like,
Speaker 1: why do you why how do people end up liking you?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm very intrigued to find out. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we're going to talk to Daphne Zunigaum, who played Brooks Mom. Yes, yes, hey,
Speaker 1: but first let's take a break. Hello Hi Daphne. Hello, wait,
Speaker 1: let me pour some more one Oh my god, yeah
Speaker 1: I just poured them too, my girl. Hi, Daphne Hi
Speaker 1: Dianna on the line. You also have my husband, Mike. Hi, Mike. UM,
Speaker 1: my husband wants to ask if you want the opera
Speaker 1: turned down? By the way, I never knew he loved opera.
Speaker 1: I've been together thirteen years. You never liked the learning
Speaker 1: about never arned? Don't turn down? I come, he's playing
Speaker 1: opera and he said, do you want me to turn
Speaker 1: the opera down? Does he want to be an opera singer? No?
Speaker 1: But it's like I didn't even know I liked opera,
Speaker 1: Like I've known him for twelve thirteen years. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: so this is since this is a relationship podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: you've been with him for thirteen years, so are you?
Speaker 1: So it's so you're still finding out things about your
Speaker 1: husband that you didn't know he liked. For example, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: what are you finding out about your husband thirteen years later?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Well, UM, that's a good question. Let's see. Um,
Speaker 1: it's so funny because I know so much about him,
Speaker 1: and I have to be careful not to just assume
Speaker 1: what he's gonna say and predict what he's gonna want
Speaker 1: and expect the fame. All thing that I know and
Speaker 1: that doesn't give him any room to like, you know,
Speaker 1: be spontaneous or change it up a bit, because I'll
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I think that's more of I
Speaker 1: know so much about him that it's like, um, it's
Speaker 1: more of that, like I try to anyway. So I
Speaker 1: was a little bit thrilled about the opera. As my point,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, this is kind of sexy. You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I go like literally, then she started singing Christmas opera
Speaker 1: like Silent Night, like so here we are a random
Speaker 1: you know, February Friday, and I'm like, so we're listening
Speaker 1: to Christmas music? Yeah, how do you think after thirteen years? Like,
Speaker 1: what do you do that changes things up? Well, Jannah,
Speaker 1: not only are we thirteen years together, but um, I'm
Speaker 1: like five older than and he's older than me. So hot. Um, well,
Speaker 1: you know, just even if it's is it, yeah, do
Speaker 1: you still make sure you do the date nights? Do you?
Speaker 1: You know? What? What's what's different now than than it was? Well,
Speaker 1: you know it's weird is that we I think because
Speaker 1: I we each waited so long, like he like, we
Speaker 1: were older when we met, so even though it was
Speaker 1: thirteen years ago, we I was in my mid forties.
Speaker 1: He was like he was fifty, no, in his fifties
Speaker 1: and he so so we really liked each other. Like
Speaker 1: we spent seven as most, but we he doesn't get
Speaker 1: up and he works at home because in office here
Speaker 1: and when I'm not working, I'm here. So we spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time together and I'm just grateful we
Speaker 1: get along. You know, we just got along, and so
Speaker 1: I feel like effort definitely goes into it, Like it's
Speaker 1: not like if I were with someone that I didn't
Speaker 1: know that well and love as much. Now it's like
Speaker 1: I want to do this. I want to see him happy.
Speaker 1: I want to see him and for him a sister natural.
Speaker 1: I came home the other day and there's like roses everywhere,
Speaker 1: like what and yeah, I mean he just because he
Speaker 1: went to the farmers market and he put a you know,
Speaker 1: a bouquet over here and went up in the room
Speaker 1: and and I went out the other day and then
Speaker 1: I bought some for him, just because it's a Tuesday,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, like it just becomes this familiar.
Speaker 1: I think it's overall, we've learned to treat each other
Speaker 1: well and listen to each other, and that makes it
Speaker 1: day to day fun and exciting and you know we
Speaker 1: have serious life issues to deal with two. But um
Speaker 1: so I think it's like that it kind of blends.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we really get along, but yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of drive each other cz. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like that one year of Mary to years
Speaker 1: of marriage. But do you think the communication is what's
Speaker 1: grown throughout those years or what do you think is
Speaker 1: kind of gotten better than you know, and what's maybe like,
Speaker 1: oh I need to do better at this. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: the way we communicate is changed, and so just by nature,
Speaker 1: I'm I go to, uh, you know, being loud and
Speaker 1: I need to be heard, and I'm like, I get
Speaker 1: very you know, angry. If I feel like I'm not,
Speaker 1: I get triggered, as it were, from like when I
Speaker 1: wasn't heard as a child or as a freaking actress
Speaker 1: for thirty years or whatever. My I would go to
Speaker 1: like you know, zero to sixty in a second and
Speaker 1: just react. And he tends to go inward. His motive
Speaker 1: dealing with difficulty, and especially if someone's if I'm angry,
Speaker 1: is to go inward. And that's a terrible bonding Chattern
Speaker 1: because that just makes me more angry. So I have
Speaker 1: literally had to work on that and you know, talk
Speaker 1: to my therapists about it and and really not take
Speaker 1: his niceness for granted. So here we are and years later,
Speaker 1: and I don't do that anymore. I just I just
Speaker 1: don't because I realized with him, I don't need to
Speaker 1: and but I do need to say. I need to
Speaker 1: know that you're listening to me right now, you know,
Speaker 1: like and one thing, Janna, I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: your guys relationship, Mike, but I I read this book
Speaker 1: called The Female Brain, and there's the same writer. She's
Speaker 1: a neuroscientist, and she wrote a book The Male Brain too.
Speaker 1: What she said is more of a pamphlet. But we
Speaker 1: are simple creatures. But um, you know, I've learned things
Speaker 1: like just because I'm feeling something in the moment and
Speaker 1: it feels really intense and I need to be heard.
Speaker 1: I need him to know this, and he can't necessarily
Speaker 1: take it all in, so I have to go. I
Speaker 1: have to be respectful of how he can take it
Speaker 1: in and how how and when. So if I have
Speaker 1: something really important to say, I'll say, David, I need
Speaker 1: to say, I want to talk about you know this
Speaker 1: one thing. Can we at lunch or this afternoon, can
Speaker 1: we discuss blah blah blah, you know, maybe just twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Then he can file it away and know and agree
Speaker 1: to it, and then he can give me all of
Speaker 1: his listening. But if I see what I think tends
Speaker 1: to happen is we look for an opening, right like
Speaker 1: we look for an opening in the guy's attention, and
Speaker 1: then we just want to fill it all in Jesus
Speaker 1: was listening another thing, you know. But and and they
Speaker 1: just can't take it. And and David, what does his
Speaker 1: eyes will start to glaze over? Are used to I
Speaker 1: should say? And I'm like, no, listening to me, And
Speaker 1: he's like, I can't please stop talking, you know. And
Speaker 1: so that's in a lesson, a lesson to learn. And
Speaker 1: over the years of getting to know each other, it
Speaker 1: really is like, yeah, I had to go, okay, if
Speaker 1: I have something important to say, and it's like I
Speaker 1: need his full attention. I need to say, you know,
Speaker 1: at this time, what time is good? Let's talk, whether
Speaker 1: it's trips we're going to take, or jobs, or finances
Speaker 1: or the neighbor or the whatever it is. It can't
Speaker 1: be like I'm inspired, and so I just can't say it.
Speaker 1: And if he had something to say to me, I
Speaker 1: could take it in, but he can't, and it's not fair,
Speaker 1: like we communicate differently and take things in differently. What
Speaker 1: would you attribute that to? What would you attribute that
Speaker 1: to most, Daphne with is it just maturing in yourself
Speaker 1: or the therapy work that you're doing to be able
Speaker 1: to look in the mirror and be like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: need to change how I'm delivering this because I feel
Speaker 1: like just in janinize relationship, it's it's taken some time
Speaker 1: for us to to really, you know, spend our individual
Speaker 1: therapiesons actually talking about ourselves and not the other person, right,
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's for everyone that's new in therapy.
Speaker 1: You go in, you feel like it's a place to
Speaker 1: vent about your partner, your significant significant other. But now
Speaker 1: Gina and I both have therapists that are like, are
Speaker 1: you here to talk about them or yourself? Because I'm
Speaker 1: here to talk about you. And so again, is it
Speaker 1: something like within yourself, like what helped you realize Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I need to do and not worry
Speaker 1: about what David needs to do. Yes, absolutely, right, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, when I got into therapy, gosh years ago,
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm going to be there from us. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna know a couple of sessions, deal with this crazy
Speaker 1: guy that I was into and fix him and then
Speaker 1: I'll see you later, Andre, you know. And she kept
Speaker 1: bringing it back to me, bringing it back to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, listen, I'm really smart. Don't trust me,
Speaker 1: I'm not help Yeah, and so yes, it's definitely um.
Speaker 1: But she would point out, like, you know, I think
Speaker 1: guys have they have a frailty that the world doesn't
Speaker 1: really encourage or accept, and so they've learned to, you know,
Speaker 1: keep it in. And when I would see that I'm
Speaker 1: hurting this guy that I love so much, that really
Speaker 1: hit me, like it it hurt him. The way I
Speaker 1: would act out it hurt him. I could walk away
Speaker 1: from a explosion or whatever because I was used to
Speaker 1: it and I didn't grow up with role models of
Speaker 1: men that had that, you know, could listen and respected
Speaker 1: and were sensitive. And so when I saw she helped
Speaker 1: me see that. So to answer your question, like he
Speaker 1: she would say, do you see how that hurts him?
Speaker 1: And that he can't leave a situation like that, like
Speaker 1: you can and he and he, and sure enough I
Speaker 1: would see he'd be quiet for a while, you know,
Speaker 1: like for a day even the next day, and it's
Speaker 1: just and so that I learned not only doesn't hurt
Speaker 1: him and I don't want to do it, but the
Speaker 1: union and the closeness that I was wanting is fractured.
Speaker 1: It's not there the next day in the silence and
Speaker 1: the hurt and the remnants of this acting out. And
Speaker 1: so I got really aware of that, and I thought, wow,
Speaker 1: it's hurting what I want to because I believe it
Speaker 1: or not. In those emotional expressions, I wanted nothing other
Speaker 1: than being so close and excuse my language, and trusting
Speaker 1: and and I want him to have my back. And
Speaker 1: I just wanted to like be so close and my
Speaker 1: behavior I had to really realize it. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm still an expressive person. But I will you know,
Speaker 1: have my blow off in the you know, in the
Speaker 1: car or you know, not road rage to other people,
Speaker 1: but like all my own or I'll do it in
Speaker 1: my head. I'll have a little monolog, get out of
Speaker 1: my system, and then you know, treat him more skillfully
Speaker 1: and be with him. And I get what we want
Speaker 1: out of that, and ever since that has changed, and
Speaker 1: by the way he's had to come out of his shell,
Speaker 1: we both had to change for sure. And I appreciate
Speaker 1: you saying that because I feel like that is still
Speaker 1: something that you know, society is catching up on with that. Men,
Speaker 1: we can be and we ultimately want to be sensitive creatures.
Speaker 1: We are sensitive creatures, but like you said, we're kind
Speaker 1: of taught otherwise from a general statement, um as a
Speaker 1: general species. But even I mean, Janna and had Janna
Speaker 1: and I had a situation earlier today where she kind
Speaker 1: of made a joke about something and it hurt my feelings,
Speaker 1: and when she kind of noticed that, you know, she
Speaker 1: playfully just kind of be like, oh, don't be sensitive,
Speaker 1: And it was just I think there's still that common
Speaker 1: misconception at times where it's just we're supposed to just
Speaker 1: take it and let it roll off of us more
Speaker 1: than maybe females, where it's like, if I would have
Speaker 1: said a similar thing, it would have to be this
Speaker 1: big like I'm you know, I'm sorry and I didn't
Speaker 1: mean it, and it would have been taken as so
Speaker 1: much more. But it's like, men, it's like we're just
Speaker 1: supposed to be, like, why are you getting upset about that?
Speaker 1: Like your guy like you don't be sensitive, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's a thing that we're still navigating. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I know. And um, I you know what
Speaker 1: I realized. The more work that you and Jannah do
Speaker 1: with yourselves and we all do with ourselves and and
Speaker 1: and then with our partners, the better the more each
Speaker 1: gender is going to get what they want, you know,
Speaker 1: the more like the more you guys can talk through
Speaker 1: that or yeah, like if I hurt David's feelings or
Speaker 1: he hurts mine, by the way, because you know, guys
Speaker 1: also to protect that might be flippant about things or
Speaker 1: say things about women like you know whatever, and that
Speaker 1: might upset me. And so I feel like, um, it
Speaker 1: goes both ways, and it is. It's interesting, this whole
Speaker 1: relating in a real conscious Our goal is to be
Speaker 1: in conscious relationships. You guys are both in there. You're
Speaker 1: trying to be conscious human beings, and I don't think
Speaker 1: our world has conditioned us for that. So we have
Speaker 1: to forge it ourselves and with support of like minded people.
Speaker 1: Because you look out there that hello tender hookups. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It's like, which is fine.
Speaker 1: I know people that have met on that. But and
Speaker 1: but it's like, where's our model not a brought on
Speaker 1: ground for conscious relationships? Sure, any of our our society
Speaker 1: in general, because we objectivized both. And it's and I think, guys,
Speaker 1: you know, the other thing I might say symtom on
Speaker 1: the topic of in women in relationships is another thing
Speaker 1: that I used to want from the man, and I've
Speaker 1: learned that with and you know, David gets a benefit
Speaker 1: of my twenty years affairly and I have you know,
Speaker 1: but um is that women want to work out everything
Speaker 1: like we work through stuff verbally. We think about it,
Speaker 1: we talk about it, we talk with our girlfriends. All
Speaker 1: we do is talk. It's like to get to this
Speaker 1: emotional intelligence about things and then figure it out. And
Speaker 1: men don't a and be you know, they shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to like the like in a relationship. He shouldn't have
Speaker 1: to deal with every blip on my screen. He just shouldn't.
Speaker 1: And so I think often we have to learn Janna
Speaker 1: to like, oh dear. If it's really intense, then you
Speaker 1: pick up the phone and it's either a therapist or
Speaker 1: your friend or your work or something. And it's like
Speaker 1: I need to do it because usually when we because
Speaker 1: that's what I've been trying to was like, okay, instead
Speaker 1: of me either lashing out or word vomiting, word vomiting
Speaker 1: all over him, I'll call a friend, I'll call you know,
Speaker 1: girl that I've considered my sponsor, or, I'll call you know,
Speaker 1: I'll email my therapist and something, and by the time
Speaker 1: that I've voiced it out, I go back to him
Speaker 1: in a way different version of myself because I had
Speaker 1: thought about it, I've had you know, I rationalized it
Speaker 1: a little bit. Or at the end of the day too,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not even it actually doesn't you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't trigger me as bad as I thought it did,
Speaker 1: or I see it a different way now, and then
Speaker 1: it's not really anything. It has more to do with
Speaker 1: something that I felt, not anything that he maybe did.
Speaker 1: So it's recognizing that too, or it's just like okay,
Speaker 1: because sometimes too, even where I'm like, do we have
Speaker 1: to make it a big deal, you know, like let's
Speaker 1: just let's just say we both yes, we both did
Speaker 1: that wrong, and not make it so heavy all the
Speaker 1: time too, because I feel it can just be so heavy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, can we just have an argument and not
Speaker 1: go into everything and just be like and move on?
Speaker 1: I mean, but but I feel like that's so it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I want to pick a part. Well, No, It's funny
Speaker 1: is when I want to do that, he was won't stop.
Speaker 1: Like even the other day in therapy he's like, I
Speaker 1: want thousand percent? Was the wrong and like he's like
Speaker 1: I just kept going, and it's like he knows when
Speaker 1: he does it. I know what I'm doing it, and
Speaker 1: we just when you want to stop, but you like
Speaker 1: physically can't stop, and then you've already started, so it's
Speaker 1: like you might as well just go down the slide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you know, my therapist used to say,
Speaker 1: because of those reactions I told you about, you know
Speaker 1: that that would just literally come out and I could
Speaker 1: annihilate in in a second and just set off a
Speaker 1: bomb and and not even care and then walk up.
Speaker 1: This is even before this, before David, it wasn't that bad,
Speaker 1: you know, my twenties and thirties and you know, it
Speaker 1: was like she would say, it's like it's like a
Speaker 1: runaway train. It's like you have to have technique to
Speaker 1: stop it. You either have to leave the moment, just
Speaker 1: walk away, say I'm just walking away, I'm stopping the
Speaker 1: train and just talk or something that you can stop
Speaker 1: that own train in yourself because the more you do
Speaker 1: this work, the more conscious and aware of this you.
Speaker 1: I think you know more now what the end results
Speaker 1: going to be if you let that train go. And
Speaker 1: it may feel good in the moment and it's cathartic
Speaker 1: and you're piste off, but you are going to do
Speaker 1: damage and you're now you know it. And so it
Speaker 1: does take that extra effort of like I've got to
Speaker 1: stop the train and thank god I learned not and um,
Speaker 1: because it's so destructive and it doesn't get you what
Speaker 1: you want, you know, girl, Hey, so I love that.
Speaker 1: So we're ready to make it light or we've done
Speaker 1: with the therapy. You're like on that. No, no, I no,
Speaker 1: I totally hear you. So we're going to stop the
Speaker 1: train right now. And um, because this is a tree
Speaker 1: hill Um episode and we are you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of the listeners are always said, please please please, like
Speaker 1: talk about one Tree hill Um and so I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm here in Wilmington's like, there's no better time to
Speaker 1: talk about One Tree Hill. Yeah, why did you love? Um?
Speaker 1: What was what was the best part of playing your character? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean besides what being her mom and you know,
Speaker 1: enacting out all that shadow like craziness and bitchiness was
Speaker 1: cathartic um for me, you know, now that you know
Speaker 1: about me, I had that side of me. I did
Speaker 1: channel it into Victoria for sure. Like I had zero apologies,
Speaker 1: Like after they said cut, I would go over and
Speaker 1: say so sorry. But while I'm doing it, it felt
Speaker 1: it felt good, you know, um, because you don't really
Speaker 1: get to do that in life. Um, So I got
Speaker 1: to be very bitchy and stuff. But I loved being
Speaker 1: in Wilmington's away from you know, I just like every
Speaker 1: time I would fly in, I could just leave my
Speaker 1: troubles behind and leave regular life behind. And being on
Speaker 1: location in that small town and the friendships that I
Speaker 1: made and even the alone time was just it was
Speaker 1: so nice. I don't know, I loved, you know, whether
Speaker 1: it's walking on Rightsful Beach or um taking drives or
Speaker 1: whatever it was, you know, going to cafe downtown or
Speaker 1: meeting people for dinner at Deluxe remember that, Like it
Speaker 1: was oh my god, Deluxe. Yeah, yeah, I love that
Speaker 1: this was so good, you know, and I just love
Speaker 1: being in the town. Is this and this is just
Speaker 1: coming from a non actor here, Daphne, And I've always
Speaker 1: wondered Jane always, even when I called Jena, you know,
Speaker 1: success successful actress and singer, she like shots away because
Speaker 1: she can't stand a compliment. So asking another you know,
Speaker 1: actress that's been successful, Like when you have these different
Speaker 1: characters and the you know, the character that you had
Speaker 1: on One Tree Hill and in Um and everything, what
Speaker 1: do you find like what helps you kind of get
Speaker 1: even more into that character. Is it's something that you
Speaker 1: find that you personally attached to to make that character
Speaker 1: yours or is it just something you just kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, attack randomly, or is it how do you
Speaker 1: kind of inspire that role that you take on? Um? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had an acting coach a long time ago who said,
Speaker 1: the more specific, uh, the more universal, Like you have
Speaker 1: to make things specific if for for I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: when you're doing a TV show and it has to
Speaker 1: be done, you go quickly and you made it. You
Speaker 1: don't get rehearsal time, No one's rehearsing. There were just
Speaker 1: you know, and I've done other TV shows. So I've
Speaker 1: learned that and so, but to make it rewarding for myself,
Speaker 1: I pull definitely from my own experiences and I try
Speaker 1: to sometimes dig in and see because it at face value,
Speaker 1: you might read it and go, I don't relate to
Speaker 1: this at all, Like I've never done this. I've never
Speaker 1: run a multi million dollar company or hated my daughter.
Speaker 1: I've never even had a daughter or whatever. But when
Speaker 1: of I felt threatened, what's really important to me? Oh
Speaker 1: my acting? Okay, well what if someone said you can't
Speaker 1: do that anymore? Like how threatened? So I pull up
Speaker 1: from myself what's real for me that would create that behavior,
Speaker 1: protecting my acting or protecting a child or an animal
Speaker 1: or something. That's how I substitute and make it really real.
Speaker 1: And the world just knows that I'm you know, yelling
Speaker 1: at the person in front of me. They don't and
Speaker 1: they fill in. So that's one way that I make
Speaker 1: it for Yeah, I mean, and neither. You're so always
Speaker 1: so good. I mean, you've been in freaking a million
Speaker 1: things and everything. Every time you're on screen, and you know,
Speaker 1: acting against it, you're just you're you're giving, You're amazing,
Speaker 1: You're so good and that's why, like, I hope that
Speaker 1: one day we can actually do something again together. I've
Speaker 1: been I've been trying, and I want I want a thing.
Speaker 1: I mean that would be that would be great. I'd
Speaker 1: love what are you doing right now again? Okay, um,
Speaker 1: let's see gig one. Yes, that was so fun because
Speaker 1: I was a serial dater who was a suspect, a
Speaker 1: murderer suspect. But also I got to do comedy because
Speaker 1: I love to do comedy. Um, and so I was
Speaker 1: a comic relief in that with the guy I was
Speaker 1: playing opposite of it. That was really fold and everyone
Speaker 1: there was I mean, you were in spaceball, so comedy
Speaker 1: has to be running through you. Yes, And um, I
Speaker 1: just emailed mail Brooks. Every once a year, I'm emailed
Speaker 1: and go, hello, let's do what redo? Everyone wants his spacebo.
Speaker 1: There was an article that Rick moranis is doing a
Speaker 1: reboot of Honey I Shrunk the Kids Like. It came
Speaker 1: out yesterday and the day before and so he's acting
Speaker 1: again because he had been in retirement. So I was like,
Speaker 1: well and I sent him the article and I'm like,
Speaker 1: your princess. So yeah, so that's great. Love that any
Speaker 1: juicy any juicy one Tree Hill h. Things that you
Speaker 1: can remember that you can leave with with the listeners.
Speaker 1: Anything juicy h. You mean, like of storyline or just
Speaker 1: just being there behind the scenes juicy Nous. I know,
Speaker 1: we don't. You have to remember. I was like so
Speaker 1: much older, Like I'm sure there was Juicy Nous going
Speaker 1: out like probably every Thursday Friday night, but I was
Speaker 1: like back at the hotel, and do you know, I
Speaker 1: feel we're gonna miss each other. I know I hate
Speaker 1: it more than anything, but viously, everyone like just follow
Speaker 1: love on Daphne. She's the best. Um. Anything you want
Speaker 1: to leave the listeners with, well, just um, you know,
Speaker 1: just that you're I love that you guys are doing
Speaker 1: this podcast and you're doing this together and you're sharing
Speaker 1: real life, Like that's how we help each other by
Speaker 1: sharing our truth and our stories and we all kind
Speaker 1: of connect and and I love that you guys are
Speaker 1: this relationship that is really doing it in you know,
Speaker 1: in a conscious awakened way, and you're doing you're doing
Speaker 1: the work like nothing's ever gonna be perfect. You're never
Speaker 1: gonna find Mr. Or Mrs Perfect. You literally have to,
Speaker 1: like you know, work on yourself, get to a place
Speaker 1: where you're gonna attract and be attracted to someone who's
Speaker 1: healthy and loving and then and and they have to
Speaker 1: want to do the work. And I just love that
Speaker 1: you're putting it out there. We love you so much,
Speaker 1: We so appreciate you. See. So, Okay, okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go back to listen to some of Okay, Okay, bye, guys.
Speaker 1: I love her. She's awesome. She's so great because I
Speaker 1: do remember just sitting at you know, at the restaurant
Speaker 1: with her and just talking. And I've just always I
Speaker 1: don't know, I've just always looked up to her because
Speaker 1: she's a firecracker. She's fierce, and she's she says what
Speaker 1: she wants, she does what she is. She's just she's
Speaker 1: awesome and I really like I love her. I love
Speaker 1: to meet her in person. I feel like her energy
Speaker 1: is great. Oh, she's the best. I tried to get
Speaker 1: her to play my mom in the last film, but
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. I know, mom, maybe the next one.
Speaker 1: That's why she said that, she's like, maybe next one
Speaker 1: and play your mom. But she's so sweet. Um. So
Speaker 1: it really is a house no, a hotel party, do
Speaker 1: I say a house party? But it's a I mean,
Speaker 1: we've got obviously Eastan and Tori win to uh to Wilmington,
Speaker 1: North Carolina. It's Tori's birthday today. How young are you?
Speaker 1: I feel old? Five? Can you start rounding up after
Speaker 1: I'm a decade and great? Once you're twenty six and
Speaker 1: you're the back end of it, then you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: you're you're entering the best years of your life. Really,
Speaker 1: when I hit thirty, that is when my life changed.
Speaker 1: What hands down the best. There's a lot going on,
Speaker 1: but your eggs start dying. Now, how old are you?
Speaker 1: But that's why I panic. I'm thinking thirty. If I
Speaker 1: don't have fifty kids out, I'm just And I thought
Speaker 1: the same thing. And when I turned thirty and I
Speaker 1: was single, and I was crying in my back with
Speaker 1: yeah I was thirty, sing goal had a comforter her
Speaker 1: over my head, bawling my eyes out, and my best
Speaker 1: friend Katherine was like, she comes over, She's like, you
Speaker 1: can't lay in bed and cry all day. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was listen to be married. I was three kids
Speaker 1: by now I didn't do that. Wait, this is so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's where I mean, no joke, So what was
Speaker 1: the flip of a switch for you? Um what was
Speaker 1: the my switch? You know what it was? I I
Speaker 1: was just like, you know what, I'm I'm done looking
Speaker 1: for it. I flew to Hawaii. I had some fun
Speaker 1: with a friend and we Why did you guys think
Speaker 1: it was with the I went with Amy. I was
Speaker 1: just I had fun and was just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm just not supposed I wasn't supposed to be married
Speaker 1: with kids right now, So what am I supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing? I'm supposed to be having fun. So I
Speaker 1: went to Hawaii. I had fun. I didn't care. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, you know what, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be with you. Why am I even hearing? Why
Speaker 1: with you? And so I was just like, I'm having
Speaker 1: fun with my friend Amy. So Amy and I just
Speaker 1: like hung out, had a great time. I didn't see
Speaker 1: that other dude again. And I came back from Hawaii
Speaker 1: and that's when I was just like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: be me and I'm gonna have but I have no apology.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna apologize for my past. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna move to San Diego for a dude.
Speaker 1: I never even wanted to be with because that's what
Speaker 1: I was gonna do. That's kind of day direct message
Speaker 1: from but kind of but no, but it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't right then. It was about six months later. But
Speaker 1: for those six months, I was for the first time
Speaker 1: in my life, I was happy to be single. And
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I could never say that ever. Interesting, you
Speaker 1: stop putting the standards like I just stopped saying. I
Speaker 1: just stopped being like, can I try and change him?
Speaker 1: Can I will he be the father? Okay? Because I
Speaker 1: need a kid right now? So I'm like, how can
Speaker 1: I make you be the like the dad? It is
Speaker 1: really annoying that like men can have babies literally seven
Speaker 1: for the next hundred years ago. And that's when Michael
Speaker 1: and I when we when we started dating and then
Speaker 1: we uh he moved in and we started talking about okay,
Speaker 1: timelines and he was like, yeah, I could wait a
Speaker 1: couple of years to get married. And in my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm already one, and I'm like, you know, I was,
Speaker 1: I was like I was almost already one. And in
Speaker 1: my mind when he said that, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: how long And He's like, I don't know, like five years,
Speaker 1: five years I was like, I'm dead. I had no
Speaker 1: eggs zero and we're the Sahara Desert and that's where
Speaker 1: that is a little while the things compared to now. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, it's true. But I mean I think about
Speaker 1: now and I'm like, well, shoot, I'm thirty six and
Speaker 1: I'm still barking at the tree for another kid. So
Speaker 1: it's you know, you can you know, I have a
Speaker 1: friend at you know, forty three that just got pregnant
Speaker 1: with the baby Janet Jackson had one at fifty. Heck, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think, I mean, it's changing. The problem is
Speaker 1: is that I came from a really small town. It's
Speaker 1: not super small, but all my friends, you're the norm
Speaker 1: was to have kids in your young twenties. That's just
Speaker 1: what it was where I'm from. It's it's like not
Speaker 1: even getting married first, it's having a baby first. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have two of my friends just say
Speaker 1: that they're pregnant. Um and three friends get engaged this
Speaker 1: past week. So I got hit with a doozy a
Speaker 1: little bit. But we're going to Sarah's wedding, so they
Speaker 1: we're going to stay his wedding this happy birthday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing great, We're doing great, son. And then also
Speaker 1: in their room, we've got um my band guys that
Speaker 1: are in the room and Kylie Hi, Guylee. Kylie is
Speaker 1: our nanny, UM and she came because well here do
Speaker 1: you want to hop in on this one chee and Rice?
Speaker 1: So Kylie um is there nanny and she's awesome and
Speaker 1: she she didn't when did you tell me that you
Speaker 1: were a massive fan of One Tree Hill. So one
Speaker 1: night you said that going gets really bad postmate service,
Speaker 1: and you said you were hungry for dinner, and I
Speaker 1: offered to drive over and bring it to you because
Speaker 1: I wanted to spend quality time with you, um and so,
Speaker 1: and he bought me dinner. So that was great. And
Speaker 1: then we may have addressed the idea that you didn't
Speaker 1: want a hot nanny. And then after that, I was like,
Speaker 1: by the way, since we're on this level right now,
Speaker 1: I'm a One treeal fan like major, it was after
Speaker 1: that I just felt we were really vulnerable in that moment. Well,
Speaker 1: by the way, I just it was so awful because
Speaker 1: we had hired you right after the whole hot nanny scandal,
Speaker 1: and my heart was just like it hurt because for you,
Speaker 1: because that's I'm the one that addressed it with you.
Speaker 1: I was like, I want you to know I think
Speaker 1: you're beautiful. And I was like, I know, I'm beautiful.
Speaker 1: I'm good, Like I'm good. But when she saw tree
Speaker 1: Hill on the calendar, she's like, are you going to Wilmington's.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going with you? And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't think Mike wanted. I don't think from last
Speaker 1: I don't think dad wanted to bring the kids, just
Speaker 1: like how we talked about last week on the podcast.
Speaker 1: And I was like, so you know, I'm like, who
Speaker 1: would watch the kids? And I'm calling grandma's and Nana's
Speaker 1: and Papa's and Mike's like, why are we doing this
Speaker 1: so Kylie can go. I'm like, you don't understand. I
Speaker 1: understand she's a one tree Hiller. She's like, this would
Speaker 1: really mean a lot to her. Baby's like, that's what
Speaker 1: job is to watch the kids. And if we're going
Speaker 1: to be gone doing a podcast, like she who's going
Speaker 1: to watch the things? We know where we keep the nanny.
Speaker 1: I mean, job description says, you know why we go work.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying there would have been less laundry. Folded,
Speaker 1: I would have put the dishes away worse like, it
Speaker 1: just would have been bad for a while, but I
Speaker 1: would have gotten over soon. I started sleeping with one
Speaker 1: eye opened because I'm afraid Kylie was going to come
Speaker 1: slip me in the middle. Literally, up until this week,
Speaker 1: Mike has threatened to take Tree Hill away from me.
Speaker 1: I like fear based discipline, truly in our household. Nobody
Speaker 1: almost went away, and then I felt so terrible, Like Mike,
Speaker 1: we have to make it work, you know. I was like,
Speaker 1: because he was like, well, we can't bring James. It's
Speaker 1: going to be you know, do we really want to
Speaker 1: bring That's what it sounds like to us. Want to
Speaker 1: do we want to take him away for you? And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, but it's for Kylie. Just think
Speaker 1: it's for Kylie. It's for Kylie. It's for Kylie, and
Speaker 1: you know, and so important. Finally, Katherine m bff stepped in,
Speaker 1: who's also my manager. She's like, I'll watch the baby,
Speaker 1: and again Matt, Mike's in the background going, it's not
Speaker 1: your job, gather, that's why we paid Kylie. Mike. Contrary
Speaker 1: to popular belief, these two people like me like they
Speaker 1: think I'm great company and they love me. Okay, so anyways,
Speaker 1: long story short, Katherine has Jason right now. Thank you, Catherine,
Speaker 1: I love you so much. I'm so sorry. You're the best.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And then three babysitting. I was just like, well,
Speaker 1: I really want to bring obviously again from last week.
Speaker 1: I was like, I really want to bring Jolie. So
Speaker 1: you know, um, Jolie is here with us, and uh,
Speaker 1: Mike is watching Jolie walk to what Kylie is with me?
Speaker 1: And when someone has to be the Jane she doesn't
Speaker 1: meet and greech, you can't do it by herself with
Speaker 1: the cop and the handler and all those people. I
Speaker 1: have to be there. But but are you happy to
Speaker 1: be here? Oh? Wow, I'm shaking right now. You know,
Speaker 1: this is just like my acceptance speech. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what to say. Really excited. If anyone wants to go,
Speaker 1: check my Instagram out you can see I tried to
Speaker 1: play it cool with Peyton aka Hillary, um, but I
Speaker 1: didn't and there's a live picture of me. Just be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Then she asked me what my name
Speaker 1: was and I kind of forgot it for a second.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be better. I'm gonna be better tomorrow. But
Speaker 1: I didn't get the nervous hands. I was really proud about.
Speaker 1: I haven't though now. But then, well you did great,
Speaker 1: I am, Kylie. I'm I'm happy to do it. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to see you happy. Thank you. I'm gonna fold
Speaker 1: your socks right from now on. And now, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I sound like this high maintenance, like Janet,
Speaker 1: how how is it folding Mike's laundry? It's difficult, but
Speaker 1: I've been doing and so did. Were you here in
Speaker 1: the beginning when we were talking about this, No is
Speaker 1: this while God's I don't know what you're talking about today.
Speaker 1: Oh whoa, that's weird because Kylie was in there making
Speaker 1: sure that Jolie was I was like, make sure she
Speaker 1: falls like fully fully asleep until you commented and um,
Speaker 1: and so what we were talking about the fact that
Speaker 1: Mike said that I haven't done his socks in a while.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've been putting your socks away and
Speaker 1: doing them. And that's hilarious that you went back to
Speaker 1: the socks. The socks were hard for it because he
Speaker 1: does like doubles. I was literally folding his laundre in
Speaker 1: front of him one day like this is a couple
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and he looked at me. He was like, kind,
Speaker 1: that makes no sense. And I was like, this is
Speaker 1: the Marie Condo way. Like I don't know what you're doing,
Speaker 1: but it's very popular on Twitter, Netflix, Instagram. People do
Speaker 1: this for life. And he was like, Kylie, like, no,
Speaker 1: that's just it doesn't make sense because when you unfold him,
Speaker 1: that's not how you put them on. And I wear
Speaker 1: two pairs and like all those kind of stuff. I
Speaker 1: literally looked at him and I was like, Mike, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing it anymore. Just like doing it anyway, you know.
Speaker 1: I just do that sometimes, like I just like, I
Speaker 1: just do it. And I said, it's just like the
Speaker 1: knives and the pots and pants. I was like, if
Speaker 1: y'all don't want to hand wash them, then leave them
Speaker 1: butter butterfingers. It's not my fault you picked up a knife.
Speaker 1: By the knife part, like I don't know, like that's
Speaker 1: what they teach you. You'll need a minute to work
Speaker 1: or like what's going on here? And I'm just saying, okay,
Speaker 1: so I gotta keep my job. Maybe we do need
Speaker 1: other kids have another son, I guess moreness in their
Speaker 1: family surrounded by women attacking me right now. Mike, Mike, Mike,
Speaker 1: you are really great. Dad were sensitive creatures. You know what.
Speaker 1: We'll spring Carl and then Carl her You're on you
Speaker 1: y'all give it up for Kyle. Foul Kylie, Kyl can't
Speaker 1: sweat guys, Carl, Kylie, come on, Carl, Um, Carl's in
Speaker 1: here with the rest of the band dudes, and um.
Speaker 1: He would like to he by the way, he killed
Speaker 1: it on stage today. Thank you. Do you remember the
Speaker 1: speech that you said, I can recite it? What was
Speaker 1: it again? Well? Can I get my I gave the
Speaker 1: six billion speech. It went away. I mean, it went great.
Speaker 1: It was great, and I felt, um, I felt like
Speaker 1: I really uh did something that everybody enjoyed. Do you
Speaker 1: like being on the road. I'm Carl. I like fun words.
Speaker 1: I also would like I just like to point out
Speaker 1: that I'm wearing my socks because you asked me to
Speaker 1: take the shoes off a while ago. If you like
Speaker 1: the description of those things just needs to be like
Speaker 1: men in socks. I'm just excited to be on the show.
Speaker 1: I've never been on the shows. My first time I've
Speaker 1: been on the like the live show. Yeah, Carl has
Speaker 1: been coming on the live show with us along with
Speaker 1: the other dudes in the room, and um, what do
Speaker 1: you like being out on the road. I enjoyed being
Speaker 1: out of the road with you guys because you were out.
Speaker 1: You know, you've been out with some amazing people. What
Speaker 1: obviously in your relationship to how hard is that to
Speaker 1: be on the road, um, touring, especially with you know,
Speaker 1: in the venues and the other women. Is that something
Speaker 1: that has become a strain in the relationship where you
Speaker 1: just know what makes the strong foundation. It's it's not
Speaker 1: a strain because my girlfriend's dad is uh, he's he's
Speaker 1: very famous. He's the singer and Leonard skinnerd so he
Speaker 1: she gets it. Yeah, she's actually out on the road
Speaker 1: more than I am. Now. She's going to Europe and
Speaker 1: South America this year, maybe Australia, I don't know wherever else.
Speaker 1: She's cool. Yeah, So it's there's a lot of understanding.
Speaker 1: But I've had some, you know, people that haven't understood.
Speaker 1: Like my grandfather. He doesn't understand what I do. I
Speaker 1: have more disagreements with my grandfather than my girlfriend as
Speaker 1: far as being well, you don't find about anything. He
Speaker 1: just goes. He just kind of looks at me in
Speaker 1: the eye and goes, I just don't understand your life.
Speaker 1: You get a job, you worked there for forty years,
Speaker 1: you retire, son, Yeah, that's it. Yea. I have a
Speaker 1: story actually i'd like to tell from the road please.
Speaker 1: Has has to do with tor his birthday. Really yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you're that's awesome. Do you know what happens when
Speaker 1: you turned twenty eight? I'm terrified. Okay, there's this thing
Speaker 1: called Saturn returns. Anyone ever heard of it? Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you a whole story about it. It's great.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be too long, Easton, It's gonna it'll
Speaker 1: be entertaining. So uh oh yeah. I like how you
Speaker 1: just resituated yourself situated myself. I'm leaning more on the
Speaker 1: pillow on the bed because we're all laying on about
Speaker 1: it right now. I would also like to give a
Speaker 1: shout out to the studio audience that is not sound
Speaker 1: effects made by Easton, that is an actual audience. So
Speaker 1: you asked me about the road, and uh, one of
Speaker 1: my first experiences ever on the road after I've been
Speaker 1: in the Nationale for ten years. Uh, and probably six
Speaker 1: seven years ago. I was m this is before I
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend. I want to make that really clear
Speaker 1: because this story is not going it sounds very good.
Speaker 1: Uh sorry, this relates back to you, Tori. It's gonna
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. So I'm out in San
Speaker 1: Jose doing a radio show playing an acoustic guitar for
Speaker 1: an artist, and um, I hadn't had the greatest time
Speaker 1: with them. So I uh We're sitting in the airport
Speaker 1: going to Atlanta, uh, middle of the night, red eye
Speaker 1: kind of thing, going back to Nashville, and um, you know,
Speaker 1: I've got my seats set up and I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to sit next to you know, the artist unnamed artist
Speaker 1: uh for the next you know, four or five hours
Speaker 1: in my life. And all of a sudden, the gate
Speaker 1: attendant comes on and you know, announces that they need
Speaker 1: some volunteers that would like a voucher to uh go
Speaker 1: the next morning. Yeah, boy, I'm your guy right here.
Speaker 1: How can you do that? Because if you can't do that,
Speaker 1: if you're traveling with the band, well it was the
Speaker 1: end of the run, so we're all going home anyway.
Speaker 1: So I said, well, I would I would like to
Speaker 1: get off this artist yeah, yeah, it was just I
Speaker 1: wish you could tell us the name. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say. I don't want to say. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: you have me back on the show another time. Uh,
Speaker 1: have you guys come to Texas? Um, maybe Carl will
Speaker 1: tell us there for the wind Down tour because we're
Speaker 1: coming to San Antonio, Austin, Houston, Dallas. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: really fun the first weekend in March. So a lot
Speaker 1: of uh yeah, a lot of insider information for those
Speaker 1: folks if you come to those shows, because I'll be there.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I get off this flight and I take
Speaker 1: my voucher and I'm the only one that does it,
Speaker 1: and I go out to the stand to get into
Speaker 1: the hotel line, you know, for the hotel show, and
Speaker 1: there's this other girl. She's pretty alternative looking. Um she's
Speaker 1: got kind of a you know, a hippie ish type
Speaker 1: look to her. And I go, oh, this would be interesting.
Speaker 1: So I get on the bus and start talking to
Speaker 1: her and I go, you know, hi, I'm going to
Speaker 1: the did you get off the flight too? And she
Speaker 1: was the other person to get off the flight. She's
Speaker 1: around my age. I was about twenty eight at the time.
Speaker 1: And uh, we're driving over to the Holiday Inn and uh,
Speaker 1: she you know, tells me her name and I find
Speaker 1: it odds. Her name's Opal Opal King beautiful. It's not beauty. Well,
Speaker 1: her name is Jennifer. But she said she earned that
Speaker 1: name at Joshua Tree. Oh I love Joshua Tree, really
Speaker 1: does opal Um. So anyway, we get over to the
Speaker 1: hotel and I'm kind of talking to her and she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just coming back from Taiwan and I have a
Speaker 1: wife over there. I'm like, oh, interesting, and where are
Speaker 1: you going? Now? Over to South Carolina? I have you
Speaker 1: know this this other friend I'm gonna spend some time with.
Speaker 1: But I'm stopping here in California for a few days.
Speaker 1: I buried a couple of grand in the ground, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's going like weird. So I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: I'm any A Graham one. So where Sarah for this?
Speaker 1: Come off your look. I'd also like to point out
Speaker 1: that I am on the bed, Tories on the bed,
Speaker 1: and Mike is just slightly off the bed. He's staring
Speaker 1: very creepily at me. Carl's on Jana side of the
Speaker 1: bed at the foot of the bed, while I'm sitting
Speaker 1: on the side. Ye. So anyway, I really just would
Speaker 1: like to know the point. I'm getting to the point.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be great. It's all gonna wrap up
Speaker 1: very quickly. I just want to on the podcast episode.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. So we get to the hotel
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, I can just tell from
Speaker 1: talking to her she's just not gonna have a credit
Speaker 1: card for incidentals. So I just kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: we get off the bus and I offer for her
Speaker 1: to go first, because I go, you know, I know
Speaker 1: how you're up. Yeah. So she walks up there and
Speaker 1: she uh starts to check in, and the attendant behind
Speaker 1: the Holiday and Express starts going, well, man, can do
Speaker 1: you have a card you can put on file for incidentals?
Speaker 1: Because the rooms free, but you do have to have
Speaker 1: a card for incidentals. I know this as an any
Speaker 1: of Graham one. I follow the rules. I got my checklists,
Speaker 1: so um. Anyway, uh, she starts like checking in, and
Speaker 1: she pulls a debit card out of her wallet that
Speaker 1: expired five years prior to the day. We're sitting there
Speaker 1: and she's trying to show it to the guy, and
Speaker 1: the guy's going, you know, I can't take this. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's got to be an active card. We gotta charge
Speaker 1: of you know, a certain amount in order to check
Speaker 1: in and so immediately, just because of our conversation on
Speaker 1: the way the hotel, she turns to me and goes,
Speaker 1: you know, do you have a credit I know you
Speaker 1: got one as well, be Chad, come on, come on, Kyle,
Speaker 1: give me your credit card. Come on, white, let's go.
Speaker 1: And naturally, because I'm because my name is Carl, I
Speaker 1: said no because I didn't know if maybe this was
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get ripped off with a k I'm
Speaker 1: edging now because I mentioned earlier that this is prior
Speaker 1: to me having a relationship. I go, you know, it
Speaker 1: would be fun. I gotta leave here in five hours.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna offer this girl. I'm not gonna give you
Speaker 1: my card for incidentals, but I'd be happy for you
Speaker 1: to hang out on the other bed and we'll hang
Speaker 1: out for a couple of hours before I have to leave. Carl,
Speaker 1: I know it's not the same thing because if I'm
Speaker 1: in the room, I can watch to make sure she
Speaker 1: hasn't purchased movies are gone in the minibar um like
Speaker 1: you're leaving, so she still has the room available to
Speaker 1: herself when you leave. Look, so I was twenty eight
Speaker 1: when this was happening. This is where the good bye
Speaker 1: sign our Carl. Thanks okay, So I would like my
Speaker 1: breakfast delivered to me in bed. It wasn't that kind
Speaker 1: of hotel. They didn't have anything like that there. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we're sitting there, We'll start talking and I'm listening to
Speaker 1: the episode of Dateline. I'm like, where's the murder? It's coming,
Speaker 1: it's coming. So she's talking to me and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: kind of telling her what's going on. I remember turning
Speaker 1: twenty next week or whatever. And she goes, oh Saturn returns. Oh,
Speaker 1: I go, what does that mean? She goes, you know,
Speaker 1: think now her name is Opal King. She earned that
Speaker 1: name and Joshua Tree and she's so I'm believing everything
Speaker 1: she's saying, because if she's going to know something, it's
Speaker 1: going to be something like this that she knows about.
Speaker 1: So Saturn returns is when you turned twenty eight years old,
Speaker 1: Saturn is in the exact same spot it was when
Speaker 1: you were born. And it's supposed to create a sling
Speaker 1: shot into your next twenty eight years. Yeah, well, so
Speaker 1: the whole thing is five minute story that we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to figure out. Well it's been a lot more
Speaker 1: than five minutes, um. But anyway, when if you're doing
Speaker 1: what you want to do by twenty eight, it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be a slingshot into the next interesting anyway, three
Speaker 1: years anyway, So we're sitting there, it's almost that, and
Speaker 1: then as soon as she's telling is actually the year google.
Speaker 1: Well that's why I guess I get that extra year
Speaker 1: and a half to prepare myself. Um. So I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there and I'm kind of telling her I'm actually gonna
Speaker 1: play on Letterman like two months later, and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is great, Saturn returns blah blah. So anyway that
Speaker 1: the time's going by and I'm feeling really inspired, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, she's sitting on the other bed
Speaker 1: and she goes so seriously like, she's in the other
Speaker 1: the room with you on the other bed. Yeah, we've
Speaker 1: got you know, twin beds on each side of queens
Speaker 1: whatever it is a couple of queens. Um, And she
Speaker 1: just goes, do you know what duct tape does? What
Speaker 1: I go no, yeah, she gotta go no, she goes
Speaker 1: it turns no no no into mmm mmm mmmmm stop. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what happened? Do I want to know? I just was
Speaker 1: shot and go to it. Just needn't know the ending.
Speaker 1: I don't really want to know. If y'all know nothing happened.
Speaker 1: I immediately was like, I need to refresh myself for
Speaker 1: the next day. I'm gonna excuse myself from the room now. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then later she told me that her instrument is
Speaker 1: that she really wants to play the digery do anyway,
Speaker 1: So that's story. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh. Then later she moved to Alaska and joined
Speaker 1: a and and also purchased land in Uruguay and close.
Speaker 1: We actually email every couple of years, so it's uh wow,
Speaker 1: Well give it up for Carl. Podcasts come up, but
Speaker 1: we're still going. Okay. I do appreciate hanging with you guys,
Speaker 1: and I want to share more stories at the podcast,
Speaker 1: but you'll probably need to limit my time. Okay. We
Speaker 1: love you, Carl. Hi, I have no words. Okay, So
Speaker 1: that was way too much fun between Carl and Kylie
Speaker 1: and Daphne and just the socks. I'm we're gonna yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. Um, So we don't have time
Speaker 1: for this episode, but to be continued because next week
Speaker 1: we'll Chase and Alex have a reunion on the Wide
Speaker 1: Down podcast st