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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and Michael Coughlin, and I

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Speaker 1: heard radio podcast wind Down on location Beach Front. We

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Speaker 1: are in a beach front room right now. We're in Wilmington,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. This is just adults in socks. Right now.

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Speaker 1: We have like a room full of like adults don't

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Speaker 1: like their socks. Isn't it weird? It's like there's no

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Speaker 1: If a grown person, grown adult is just walking around

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Speaker 1: is okay, shoes is obviously normal, but walking around the socks,

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Speaker 1: walking around socks, I just think it is so silly.

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Speaker 1: I can't do it. But then at the same time, though,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what if you don't have like, you know,

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Speaker 1: around barefoot too, if they're like, like, if you have

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Speaker 1: other adults coming to your house, you shouldn't enforce the

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Speaker 1: take off your shoes policy. We don't do that, but

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Speaker 1: I do know some people that do. But again, it's

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Speaker 1: like if it's like your core close group of friends

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Speaker 1: or family, or like immediate family, Okay, fine, shoes off

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Speaker 1: for socks off. Like she's irregardless if it's your closest

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Speaker 1: friends or your immediate family. If you want to make

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Speaker 1: them take their shoes off and there in socks, fine,

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Speaker 1: But you don't have a big group of friends or

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Speaker 1: in general, I don't wear socks. I mean, I know,

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Speaker 1: I just I just don't like wearing socks. I don't.

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Speaker 1: It's so because it's just when, because you know when

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Speaker 1: be stuck in socks one because they're always mismatched. To

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Speaker 1: which Janna tried to do my laundry more time. This

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Speaker 1: is the last time I had to do my whoa,

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Speaker 1: this is the last time. This is when I told

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Speaker 1: the last months I've done your socks. Yes I have.

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Speaker 1: I've folded all of them and just I just put

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Speaker 1: them right and unfolding them out of the other ones

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Speaker 1: because the doubles. Anyways, I don't I don't have to

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Speaker 1: proof of this. Yes, wow, yeah, I haven't really noticed that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I put them away for you. I've been putting

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Speaker 1: the notice that I've like put your clothes away when

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Speaker 1: you have I've acknowledged, but I've done your socks. Maybe

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Speaker 1: socks anyways. That just messed everything up. Now everyone's all rattled. Everyone.

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Speaker 1: They sit in the room with us, like, this is

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Speaker 1: what this podcast is about. Glad, I'm not listening to

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Speaker 1: this one. She's upset about the fact that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: remember that she puts away his socks. But go ahead. So,

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Speaker 1: and it's been a year since I put away your socks.

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Speaker 1: So we're here in Wilmington, North Carolina for a one

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Speaker 1: tree year. I really needed to finish that. Our listeners

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Speaker 1: we're here in Wilmington, North Carolina for one Tree Hill convention. Yes,

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Speaker 1: But like not it's not to a bunch of people,

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Speaker 1: So it's so you're still finding out things about your

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Speaker 1: is when I want to do that, he was won't stop.

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Speaker 1: Like even the other day in therapy he's like, I

424
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: want thousand percent? Was the wrong and like he's like

425
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: I just kept going, and it's like he knows when

426
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: he does it. I know what I'm doing it, and

427
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: we just when you want to stop, but you like

428
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: physically can't stop, and then you've already started, so it's

429
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: like you might as well just go down the slide. Yeah,

430
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you know, my therapist used to say,

431
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: because of those reactions I told you about, you know

432
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: that that would just literally come out and I could

433
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: annihilate in in a second and just set off a

434
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: bomb and and not even care and then walk up.

435
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: This is even before this, before David, it wasn't that bad,

436
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 1: you know, my twenties and thirties and you know, it

437
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: was like she would say, it's like it's like a

438
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: runaway train. It's like you have to have technique to

439
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: stop it. You either have to leave the moment, just

440
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: walk away, say I'm just walking away, I'm stopping the

441
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: train and just talk or something that you can stop

442
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: that own train in yourself because the more you do

443
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: this work, the more conscious and aware of this you.

444
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: I think you know more now what the end results

445
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: going to be if you let that train go. And

446
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: it may feel good in the moment and it's cathartic

447
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: and you're piste off, but you are going to do

448
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: damage and you're now you know it. And so it

449
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: does take that extra effort of like I've got to

450
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: stop the train and thank god I learned not and um,

451
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: because it's so destructive and it doesn't get you what

452
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: you want, you know, girl, Hey, so I love that.

453
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: So we're ready to make it light or we've done

454
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: with the therapy. You're like on that. No, no, I no,

455
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: I totally hear you. So we're going to stop the

456
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: train right now. And um, because this is a tree

457
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: hill Um episode and we are you know, a lot

458
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: of the listeners are always said, please please please, like

459
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: talk about one Tree hill Um and so I'm like, okay,

460
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: I'm here in Wilmington's like, there's no better time to

461
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: talk about One Tree Hill. Yeah, why did you love? Um?

462
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: What was what was the best part of playing your character? Well,

463
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: I mean besides what being her mom and you know,

464
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: enacting out all that shadow like craziness and bitchiness was

465
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: cathartic um for me, you know, now that you know

466
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: about me, I had that side of me. I did

467
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: channel it into Victoria for sure. Like I had zero apologies,

468
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: Like after they said cut, I would go over and

469
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: say so sorry. But while I'm doing it, it felt

470
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: it felt good, you know, um, because you don't really

471
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: get to do that in life. Um, So I got

472
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: to be very bitchy and stuff. But I loved being

473
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: in Wilmington's away from you know, I just like every

474
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: time I would fly in, I could just leave my

475
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: troubles behind and leave regular life behind. And being on

476
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: location in that small town and the friendships that I

477
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 1: made and even the alone time was just it was

478
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: so nice. I don't know, I loved, you know, whether

479
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: it's walking on Rightsful Beach or um taking drives or

480
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: whatever it was, you know, going to cafe downtown or

481
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: meeting people for dinner at Deluxe remember that, Like it

482
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: was oh my god, Deluxe. Yeah, yeah, I love that

483
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: this was so good, you know, and I just love

484
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: being in the town. Is this and this is just

485
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: coming from a non actor here, Daphne, And I've always

486
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: wondered Jane always, even when I called Jena, you know,

487
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: success successful actress and singer, she like shots away because

488
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: she can't stand a compliment. So asking another you know,

489
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: actress that's been successful, Like when you have these different

490
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: characters and the you know, the character that you had

491
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: on One Tree Hill and in Um and everything, what

492
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: do you find like what helps you kind of get

493
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: even more into that character. Is it's something that you

494
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: find that you personally attached to to make that character

495
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: yours or is it just something you just kind of,

496
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: you know, attack randomly, or is it how do you

497
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of inspire that role that you take on? Um? Yeah,

498
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: I had an acting coach a long time ago who said,

499
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: the more specific, uh, the more universal, Like you have

500
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: to make things specific if for for I mean, listen,

501
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: when you're doing a TV show and it has to

502
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: be done, you go quickly and you made it. You

503
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: don't get rehearsal time, No one's rehearsing. There were just

504
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I've done other TV shows. So I've

505
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: learned that and so, but to make it rewarding for myself,

506
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: I pull definitely from my own experiences and I try

507
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: to sometimes dig in and see because it at face value,

508
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: you might read it and go, I don't relate to

509
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: this at all, Like I've never done this. I've never

510
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: run a multi million dollar company or hated my daughter.

511
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: I've never even had a daughter or whatever. But when

512
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: of I felt threatened, what's really important to me? Oh

513
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: my acting? Okay, well what if someone said you can't

514
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: do that anymore? Like how threatened? So I pull up

515
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: from myself what's real for me that would create that behavior,

516
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: protecting my acting or protecting a child or an animal

517
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: or something. That's how I substitute and make it really real.

518
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: And the world just knows that I'm you know, yelling

519
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: at the person in front of me. They don't and

520
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: they fill in. So that's one way that I make

521
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: it for Yeah, I mean, and neither. You're so always

522
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: so good. I mean, you've been in freaking a million

523
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: things and everything. Every time you're on screen, and you know,

524
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: acting against it, you're just you're you're giving, You're amazing,

525
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: You're so good and that's why, like, I hope that

526
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: one day we can actually do something again together. I've

527
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: been I've been trying, and I want I want a thing.

528
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean that would be that would be great. I'd

529
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: love what are you doing right now again? Okay, um,

530
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: let's see gig one. Yes, that was so fun because

531
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: I was a serial dater who was a suspect, a

532
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: murderer suspect. But also I got to do comedy because

533
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: I love to do comedy. Um, and so I was

534
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: a comic relief in that with the guy I was

535
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: playing opposite of it. That was really fold and everyone

536
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: there was I mean, you were in spaceball, so comedy

537
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: has to be running through you. Yes, And um, I

538
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: just emailed mail Brooks. Every once a year, I'm emailed

539
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: and go, hello, let's do what redo? Everyone wants his spacebo.

540
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: There was an article that Rick moranis is doing a

541
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: reboot of Honey I Shrunk the Kids Like. It came

542
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: out yesterday and the day before and so he's acting

543
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: again because he had been in retirement. So I was like,

544
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: well and I sent him the article and I'm like,

545
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: your princess. So yeah, so that's great. Love that any

546
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: juicy any juicy one Tree Hill h. Things that you

547
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: can remember that you can leave with with the listeners.

548
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: Anything juicy h. You mean, like of storyline or just

549
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: just being there behind the scenes juicy Nous. I know,

550
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: we don't. You have to remember. I was like so

551
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: much older, Like I'm sure there was Juicy Nous going

552
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: out like probably every Thursday Friday night, but I was

553
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: like back at the hotel, and do you know, I

554
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: feel we're gonna miss each other. I know I hate

555
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: it more than anything, but viously, everyone like just follow

556
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: love on Daphne. She's the best. Um. Anything you want

557
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: to leave the listeners with, well, just um, you know,

558
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: just that you're I love that you guys are doing

559
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: this podcast and you're doing this together and you're sharing

560
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: real life, Like that's how we help each other by

561
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: sharing our truth and our stories and we all kind

562
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: of connect and and I love that you guys are

563
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: this relationship that is really doing it in you know,

564
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: in a conscious awakened way, and you're doing you're doing

565
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: the work like nothing's ever gonna be perfect. You're never

566
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: gonna find Mr. Or Mrs Perfect. You literally have to,

567
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: like you know, work on yourself, get to a place

568
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: where you're gonna attract and be attracted to someone who's

569
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: healthy and loving and then and and they have to

570
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: want to do the work. And I just love that

571
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: you're putting it out there. We love you so much,

572
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: We so appreciate you. See. So, Okay, okay, we're gonna

573
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: go back to listen to some of Okay, Okay, bye, guys.

574
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: I love her. She's awesome. She's so great because I

575
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: do remember just sitting at you know, at the restaurant

576
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: with her and just talking. And I've just always I

577
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: don't know, I've just always looked up to her because

578
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: she's a firecracker. She's fierce, and she's she says what

579
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: she wants, she does what she is. She's just she's

580
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: awesome and I really like I love her. I love

581
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: to meet her in person. I feel like her energy

582
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: is great. Oh, she's the best. I tried to get

583
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: her to play my mom in the last film, but

584
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. I know, mom, maybe the next one.

585
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: That's why she said that, she's like, maybe next one

586
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: and play your mom. But she's so sweet. Um. So

587
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: it really is a house no, a hotel party, do

588
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: I say a house party? But it's a I mean,

589
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: we've got obviously Eastan and Tori win to uh to Wilmington,

590
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: North Carolina. It's Tori's birthday today. How young are you?

591
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: I feel old? Five? Can you start rounding up after

592
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm a decade and great? Once you're twenty six and

593
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: you're the back end of it, then you're like, okay,

594
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: you're you're entering the best years of your life. Really,

595
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: when I hit thirty, that is when my life changed.

596
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: What hands down the best. There's a lot going on,

597
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: but your eggs start dying. Now, how old are you?

598
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: But that's why I panic. I'm thinking thirty. If I

599
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: don't have fifty kids out, I'm just And I thought

600
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: the same thing. And when I turned thirty and I

601
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: was single, and I was crying in my back with

602
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: yeah I was thirty, sing goal had a comforter her

603
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: over my head, bawling my eyes out, and my best

604
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: friend Katherine was like, she comes over, She's like, you

605
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: can't lay in bed and cry all day. I was like,

606
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: I was listen to be married. I was three kids

607
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: by now I didn't do that. Wait, this is so good. Yeah,

608
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: So that's where I mean, no joke, So what was

609
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: the flip of a switch for you? Um what was

610
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: the my switch? You know what it was? I I

611
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: was just like, you know what, I'm I'm done looking

612
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: for it. I flew to Hawaii. I had some fun

613
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: with a friend and we Why did you guys think

614
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: it was with the I went with Amy. I was

615
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: just I had fun and was just like, you know what,

616
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: I'm just not supposed I wasn't supposed to be married

617
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: with kids right now, So what am I supposed to

618
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: be doing? I'm supposed to be having fun. So I

619
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: went to Hawaii. I had fun. I didn't care. And

620
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: then I was like, you know what, I don't want

621
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: to be with you. Why am I even hearing? Why

622
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: with you? And so I was just like, I'm having

623
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: fun with my friend Amy. So Amy and I just

624
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: like hung out, had a great time. I didn't see

625
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: that other dude again. And I came back from Hawaii

626
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: and that's when I was just like, I'm just gonna

627
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: be me and I'm gonna have but I have no apology.

628
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna apologize for my past. I'm not gonna

629
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna move to San Diego for a dude.

630
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: I never even wanted to be with because that's what

631
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: I was gonna do. That's kind of day direct message

632
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: from but kind of but no, but it wasn't. It

633
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: wasn't right then. It was about six months later. But

634
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: for those six months, I was for the first time

635
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: in my life, I was happy to be single. And

636
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I could never say that ever. Interesting, you

637
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: stop putting the standards like I just stopped saying. I

638
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: just stopped being like, can I try and change him?

639
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: Can I will he be the father? Okay? Because I

640
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: need a kid right now? So I'm like, how can

641
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: I make you be the like the dad? It is

642
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: really annoying that like men can have babies literally seven

643
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: for the next hundred years ago. And that's when Michael

644
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: and I when we when we started dating and then

645
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: we uh he moved in and we started talking about okay,

646
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: timelines and he was like, yeah, I could wait a

647
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: couple of years to get married. And in my mind,

648
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm already one, and I'm like, you know, I was,

649
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: I was like I was almost already one. And in

650
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: my mind when he said that, I was like, well,

651
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: how long And He's like, I don't know, like five years,

652
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: five years I was like, I'm dead. I had no

653
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: eggs zero and we're the Sahara Desert and that's where

654
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: that is a little while the things compared to now. Yeah, yeah,

655
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: but no, it's true. But I mean I think about

656
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: now and I'm like, well, shoot, I'm thirty six and

657
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm still barking at the tree for another kid. So

658
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: it's you know, you can you know, I have a

659
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: friend at you know, forty three that just got pregnant

660
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: with the baby Janet Jackson had one at fifty. Heck, yeah,

661
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: So I think, I mean, it's changing. The problem is

662
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: is that I came from a really small town. It's

663
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: not super small, but all my friends, you're the norm

664
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: was to have kids in your young twenties. That's just

665
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: what it was where I'm from. It's it's like not

666
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: even getting married first, it's having a baby first. And

667
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have two of my friends just say

668
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: that they're pregnant. Um and three friends get engaged this

669
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: past week. So I got hit with a doozy a

670
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: little bit. But we're going to Sarah's wedding, so they

671
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: we're going to stay his wedding this happy birthday. Yeah,

672
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: we're doing great, We're doing great, son. And then also

673
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: in their room, we've got um my band guys that

674
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: are in the room and Kylie Hi, Guylee. Kylie is

675
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: our nanny, UM and she came because well here do

676
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: you want to hop in on this one chee and Rice?

677
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: So Kylie um is there nanny and she's awesome and

678
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: she she didn't when did you tell me that you

679
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: were a massive fan of One Tree Hill. So one

680
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: night you said that going gets really bad postmate service,

681
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: and you said you were hungry for dinner, and I

682
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: offered to drive over and bring it to you because

683
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to spend quality time with you, um and so,

684
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: and he bought me dinner. So that was great. And

685
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: then we may have addressed the idea that you didn't

686
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: want a hot nanny. And then after that, I was like,

687
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: by the way, since we're on this level right now,

688
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm a One treeal fan like major, it was after

689
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: that I just felt we were really vulnerable in that moment. Well,

690
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 1: by the way, I just it was so awful because

691
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: we had hired you right after the whole hot nanny scandal,

692
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: and my heart was just like it hurt because for you,

693
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: because that's I'm the one that addressed it with you.

694
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I want you to know I think

695
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: you're beautiful. And I was like, I know, I'm beautiful.

696
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: I'm good, Like I'm good. But when she saw tree

697
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: Hill on the calendar, she's like, are you going to Wilmington's.

698
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm going with you? And I was like, well,

699
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: I don't think Mike wanted. I don't think from last

700
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't think dad wanted to bring the kids, just

701
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: like how we talked about last week on the podcast.

702
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, so you know, I'm like, who

703
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: would watch the kids? And I'm calling grandma's and Nana's

704
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: and Papa's and Mike's like, why are we doing this

705
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: so Kylie can go. I'm like, you don't understand. I

706
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: understand she's a one tree Hiller. She's like, this would

707
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: really mean a lot to her. Baby's like, that's what

708
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: job is to watch the kids. And if we're going

709
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: to be gone doing a podcast, like she who's going

710
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: to watch the things? We know where we keep the nanny.

711
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean, job description says, you know why we go work.

712
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying there would have been less laundry. Folded,

713
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: I would have put the dishes away worse like, it

714
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: just would have been bad for a while, but I

715
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: would have gotten over soon. I started sleeping with one

716
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: eye opened because I'm afraid Kylie was going to come

717
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: slip me in the middle. Literally, up until this week,

718
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: Mike has threatened to take Tree Hill away from me.

719
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: I like fear based discipline, truly in our household. Nobody

720
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: almost went away, and then I felt so terrible, Like Mike,

721
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: we have to make it work, you know. I was like,

722
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: because he was like, well, we can't bring James. It's

723
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: going to be you know, do we really want to

724
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: bring That's what it sounds like to us. Want to

725
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: do we want to take him away for you? And

726
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: I was like, no, but it's for Kylie. Just think

727
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: it's for Kylie. It's for Kylie. It's for Kylie, and

728
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: you know, and so important. Finally, Katherine m bff stepped in,

729
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: who's also my manager. She's like, I'll watch the baby,

730
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: and again Matt, Mike's in the background going, it's not

731
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: your job, gather, that's why we paid Kylie. Mike. Contrary

732
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: to popular belief, these two people like me like they

733
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: think I'm great company and they love me. Okay, so anyways,

734
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: long story short, Katherine has Jason right now. Thank you, Catherine,

735
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I love you so much. I'm so sorry. You're the best.

736
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: Thank you. And then three babysitting. I was just like, well,

737
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: I really want to bring obviously again from last week.

738
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I really want to bring Jolie. So

739
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, um, Jolie is here with us, and uh,

740
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: Mike is watching Jolie walk to what Kylie is with me?

741
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: And when someone has to be the Jane she doesn't

742
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: meet and greech, you can't do it by herself with

743
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: the cop and the handler and all those people. I

744
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: have to be there. But but are you happy to

745
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: be here? Oh? Wow, I'm shaking right now. You know,

746
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: this is just like my acceptance speech. I don't even

747
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: know what to say. Really excited. If anyone wants to go,

748
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: check my Instagram out you can see I tried to

749
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: play it cool with Peyton aka Hillary, um, but I

750
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: didn't and there's a live picture of me. Just be like,

751
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: oh my god. Then she asked me what my name

752
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: was and I kind of forgot it for a second.

753
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be better. I'm gonna be better tomorrow. But

754
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: I didn't get the nervous hands. I was really proud about.

755
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: I haven't though now. But then, well you did great,

756
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I am, Kylie. I'm I'm happy to do it. I'm

757
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: happy to see you happy. Thank you. I'm gonna fold

758
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: your socks right from now on. And now, all of

759
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, I sound like this high maintenance, like Janet,

760
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: how how is it folding Mike's laundry? It's difficult, but

761
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: I've been doing and so did. Were you here in

762
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: the beginning when we were talking about this, No is

763
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: this while God's I don't know what you're talking about today.

764
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: Oh whoa, that's weird because Kylie was in there making

765
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: sure that Jolie was I was like, make sure she

766
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: falls like fully fully asleep until you commented and um,

767
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: and so what we were talking about the fact that

768
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: Mike said that I haven't done his socks in a while.

769
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I've been putting your socks away and

770
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: doing them. And that's hilarious that you went back to

771
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: the socks. The socks were hard for it because he

772
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: does like doubles. I was literally folding his laundre in

773
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: front of him one day like this is a couple

774
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 1: weeks ago, and he looked at me. He was like, kind,

775
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: that makes no sense. And I was like, this is

776
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 1: the Marie Condo way. Like I don't know what you're doing,

777
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: but it's very popular on Twitter, Netflix, Instagram. People do

778
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: this for life. And he was like, Kylie, like, no,

779
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: that's just it doesn't make sense because when you unfold him,

780
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: that's not how you put them on. And I wear

781
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: two pairs and like all those kind of stuff. I

782
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: literally looked at him and I was like, Mike, I'm

783
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: not doing it anymore. Just like doing it anyway, you know.

784
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: I just do that sometimes, like I just like, I

785
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: just do it. And I said, it's just like the

786
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: knives and the pots and pants. I was like, if

787
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: y'all don't want to hand wash them, then leave them

788
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: butter butterfingers. It's not my fault you picked up a knife.

789
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: By the knife part, like I don't know, like that's

790
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: what they teach you. You'll need a minute to work

791
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: or like what's going on here? And I'm just saying, okay,

792
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: so I gotta keep my job. Maybe we do need

793
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: other kids have another son, I guess moreness in their

794
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 1: family surrounded by women attacking me right now. Mike, Mike, Mike,

795
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: you are really great. Dad were sensitive creatures. You know what.

796
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: We'll spring Carl and then Carl her You're on you

797
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: y'all give it up for Kyle. Foul Kylie, Kyl can't

798
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: sweat guys, Carl, Kylie, come on, Carl, Um, Carl's in

799
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: here with the rest of the band dudes, and um.

800
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: He would like to he by the way, he killed

801
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: it on stage today. Thank you. Do you remember the

802
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: speech that you said, I can recite it? What was

803
00:44:54,680 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: it again? Well? Can I get my I gave the

804
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: six billion speech. It went away. I mean, it went great.

805
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: It was great, and I felt, um, I felt like

806
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: I really uh did something that everybody enjoyed. Do you

807
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: like being on the road. I'm Carl. I like fun words.

808
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: I also would like I just like to point out

809
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 1: that I'm wearing my socks because you asked me to

810
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: take the shoes off a while ago. If you like

811
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: the description of those things just needs to be like

812
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: men in socks. I'm just excited to be on the show.

813
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: I've never been on the shows. My first time I've

814
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: been on the like the live show. Yeah, Carl has

815
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: been coming on the live show with us along with

816
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: the other dudes in the room, and um, what do

817
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: you like being out on the road. I enjoyed being

818
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: out of the road with you guys because you were out.

819
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: You know, you've been out with some amazing people. What

820
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: obviously in your relationship to how hard is that to

821
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: be on the road, um, touring, especially with you know,

822
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: in the venues and the other women. Is that something

823
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: that has become a strain in the relationship where you

824
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: just know what makes the strong foundation. It's it's not

825
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: a strain because my girlfriend's dad is uh, he's he's

826
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: very famous. He's the singer and Leonard skinnerd so he

827
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: she gets it. Yeah, she's actually out on the road

828
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: more than I am. Now. She's going to Europe and

829
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: South America this year, maybe Australia, I don't know wherever else.

830
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: She's cool. Yeah, So it's there's a lot of understanding.

831
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: But I've had some, you know, people that haven't understood.

832
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: Like my grandfather. He doesn't understand what I do. I

833
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: have more disagreements with my grandfather than my girlfriend as

834
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: far as being well, you don't find about anything. He

835
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: just goes. He just kind of looks at me in

836
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: the eye and goes, I just don't understand your life.

837
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: You get a job, you worked there for forty years,

838
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: you retire, son, Yeah, that's it. Yea. I have a

839
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: story actually i'd like to tell from the road please.

840
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: Has has to do with tor his birthday. Really yeah? Yeah,

841
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: So you're that's awesome. Do you know what happens when

842
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: you turned twenty eight? I'm terrified. Okay, there's this thing

843
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: called Saturn returns. Anyone ever heard of it? Okay, I'm

844
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: gonna tell you a whole story about it. It's great.

845
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be too long, Easton, It's gonna it'll

846
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: be entertaining. So uh oh yeah. I like how you

847
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: just resituated yourself situated myself. I'm leaning more on the

848
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: pillow on the bed because we're all laying on about

849
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: it right now. I would also like to give a

850
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: shout out to the studio audience that is not sound

851
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: effects made by Easton, that is an actual audience. So

852
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: you asked me about the road, and uh, one of

853
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: my first experiences ever on the road after I've been

854
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: in the Nationale for ten years. Uh, and probably six

855
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: seven years ago. I was m this is before I

856
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: had a girlfriend. I want to make that really clear

857
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: because this story is not going it sounds very good.

858
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: Uh sorry, this relates back to you, Tori. It's gonna

859
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. So I'm out in San

860
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: Jose doing a radio show playing an acoustic guitar for

861
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,959
Speaker 1: an artist, and um, I hadn't had the greatest time

862
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: with them. So I uh We're sitting in the airport

863
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: going to Atlanta, uh, middle of the night, red eye

864
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: kind of thing, going back to Nashville, and um, you know,

865
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: I've got my seats set up and I'm gonna have

866
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: to sit next to you know, the artist unnamed artist

867
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: uh for the next you know, four or five hours

868
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: in my life. And all of a sudden, the gate

869
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: attendant comes on and you know, announces that they need

870
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: some volunteers that would like a voucher to uh go

871
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: the next morning. Yeah, boy, I'm your guy right here.

872
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: How can you do that? Because if you can't do that,

873
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: if you're traveling with the band, well it was the

874
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: end of the run, so we're all going home anyway.

875
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: So I said, well, I would I would like to

876
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: get off this artist yeah, yeah, it was just I

877
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: wish you could tell us the name. I don't want

878
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: to say. I don't want to say. Well, you know,

879
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: you have me back on the show another time. Uh,

880
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: have you guys come to Texas? Um, maybe Carl will

881
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: tell us there for the wind Down tour because we're

882
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: coming to San Antonio, Austin, Houston, Dallas. It's gonna be

883
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: really fun the first weekend in March. So a lot

884
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: of uh yeah, a lot of insider information for those

885
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: folks if you come to those shows, because I'll be there.

886
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: So anyway, I get off this flight and I take

887
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: my voucher and I'm the only one that does it,

888
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: and I go out to the stand to get into

889
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: the hotel line, you know, for the hotel show, and

890
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: there's this other girl. She's pretty alternative looking. Um she's

891
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: got kind of a you know, a hippie ish type

892
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: look to her. And I go, oh, this would be interesting.

893
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: So I get on the bus and start talking to

894
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: her and I go, you know, hi, I'm going to

895
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: the did you get off the flight too? And she

896
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: was the other person to get off the flight. She's

897
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: around my age. I was about twenty eight at the time.

898
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: And uh, we're driving over to the Holiday Inn and uh,

899
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: she you know, tells me her name and I find

900
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: it odds. Her name's Opal Opal King beautiful. It's not beauty. Well,

901
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: her name is Jennifer. But she said she earned that

902
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: name at Joshua Tree. Oh I love Joshua Tree, really

903
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: does opal Um. So anyway, we get over to the

904
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: hotel and I'm kind of talking to her and she goes, oh,

905
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm just coming back from Taiwan and I have a

906
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: wife over there. I'm like, oh, interesting, and where are

907
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: you going? Now? Over to South Carolina? I have you

908
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: know this this other friend I'm gonna spend some time with.

909
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: But I'm stopping here in California for a few days.

910
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: I buried a couple of grand in the ground, and

911
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's going like weird. So I'm thinking to myself,

912
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: I'm any A Graham one. So where Sarah for this?

913
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: Come off your look. I'd also like to point out

914
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: that I am on the bed, Tories on the bed,

915
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: and Mike is just slightly off the bed. He's staring

916
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: very creepily at me. Carl's on Jana side of the

917
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: bed at the foot of the bed, while I'm sitting

918
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 1: on the side. Ye. So anyway, I really just would

919
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: like to know the point. I'm getting to the point.

920
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be great. It's all gonna wrap up

921
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: very quickly. I just want to on the podcast episode.

922
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. So we get to the hotel

923
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking to myself, I can just tell from

924
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: talking to her she's just not gonna have a credit

925
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: card for incidentals. So I just kind of, you know,

926
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: we get off the bus and I offer for her

927
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: to go first, because I go, you know, I know

928
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: how you're up. Yeah. So she walks up there and

929
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: she uh starts to check in, and the attendant behind

930
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: the Holiday and Express starts going, well, man, can do

931
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: you have a card you can put on file for incidentals?

932
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: Because the rooms free, but you do have to have

933
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: a card for incidentals. I know this as an any

934
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: of Graham one. I follow the rules. I got my checklists,

935
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: so um. Anyway, uh, she starts like checking in, and

936
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: she pulls a debit card out of her wallet that

937
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: expired five years prior to the day. We're sitting there

938
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: and she's trying to show it to the guy, and

939
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 1: the guy's going, you know, I can't take this. Uh,

940
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 1: it's got to be an active card. We gotta charge

941
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: of you know, a certain amount in order to check

942
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: in and so immediately, just because of our conversation on

943
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: the way the hotel, she turns to me and goes,

944
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, do you have a credit I know you

945
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: got one as well, be Chad, come on, come on, Kyle,

946
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: give me your credit card. Come on, white, let's go.

947
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: And naturally, because I'm because my name is Carl, I

948
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: said no because I didn't know if maybe this was

949
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get ripped off with a k I'm

950
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: edging now because I mentioned earlier that this is prior

951
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: to me having a relationship. I go, you know, it

952
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: would be fun. I gotta leave here in five hours.

953
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna offer this girl. I'm not gonna give you

954
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: my card for incidentals, but I'd be happy for you

955
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: to hang out on the other bed and we'll hang

956
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: out for a couple of hours before I have to leave. Carl,

957
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: I know it's not the same thing because if I'm

958
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: in the room, I can watch to make sure she

959
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: hasn't purchased movies are gone in the minibar um like

960
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: you're leaving, so she still has the room available to

961
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: herself when you leave. Look, so I was twenty eight

962
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: when this was happening. This is where the good bye

963
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: sign our Carl. Thanks okay, So I would like my

964
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: breakfast delivered to me in bed. It wasn't that kind

965
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: of hotel. They didn't have anything like that there. So anyway,

966
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: we're sitting there, We'll start talking and I'm listening to

967
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: the episode of Dateline. I'm like, where's the murder? It's coming,

968
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: it's coming. So she's talking to me and I'm I'm

969
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: kind of telling her what's going on. I remember turning

970
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: twenty next week or whatever. And she goes, oh Saturn returns. Oh,

971
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: I go, what does that mean? She goes, you know,

972
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: think now her name is Opal King. She earned that

973
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: name and Joshua Tree and she's so I'm believing everything

974
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: she's saying, because if she's going to know something, it's

975
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: going to be something like this that she knows about.

976
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: So Saturn returns is when you turned twenty eight years old,

977
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,919
Speaker 1: Saturn is in the exact same spot it was when

978
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: you were born. And it's supposed to create a sling

979
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: shot into your next twenty eight years. Yeah, well, so

980
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: the whole thing is five minute story that we're gonna

981
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: have to figure out. Well it's been a lot more

982
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: than five minutes, um. But anyway, when if you're doing

983
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 1: what you want to do by twenty eight, it's supposed

984
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: to be a slingshot into the next interesting anyway, three

985
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: years anyway, So we're sitting there, it's almost that, and

986
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: then as soon as she's telling is actually the year google.

987
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: Well that's why I guess I get that extra year

988
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: and a half to prepare myself. Um. So I'm sitting

989
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 1: there and I'm kind of telling her I'm actually gonna

990
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: play on Letterman like two months later, and she's like, oh,

991
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: this is great, Saturn returns blah blah. So anyway that

992
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: the time's going by and I'm feeling really inspired, and

993
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, she's sitting on the other bed

994
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: and she goes so seriously like, she's in the other

995
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: the room with you on the other bed. Yeah, we've

996
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: got you know, twin beds on each side of queens

997
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: whatever it is a couple of queens. Um, And she

998
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: just goes, do you know what duct tape does? What

999
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: I go no, yeah, she gotta go no, she goes

1000
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: it turns no no no into mmm mmm mmmmm stop. Yeah,

1001
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: what happened? Do I want to know? I just was

1002
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: shot and go to it. Just needn't know the ending.

1003
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't really want to know. If y'all know nothing happened.

1004
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: I immediately was like, I need to refresh myself for

1005
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: the next day. I'm gonna excuse myself from the room now. Uh.

1006
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: And then later she told me that her instrument is

1007
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 1: that she really wants to play the digery do anyway,

1008
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: So that's story. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1009
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: and uh. Then later she moved to Alaska and joined

1010
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: a and and also purchased land in Uruguay and close.

1011
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: We actually email every couple of years, so it's uh wow,

1012
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: Well give it up for Carl. Podcasts come up, but

1013
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: we're still going. Okay. I do appreciate hanging with you guys,

1014
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: and I want to share more stories at the podcast,

1015
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: but you'll probably need to limit my time. Okay. We

1016
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: love you, Carl. Hi, I have no words. Okay, So

1017
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: that was way too much fun between Carl and Kylie

1018
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: and Daphne and just the socks. I'm we're gonna yeah,

1019
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. Um, So we don't have time

1020
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: for this episode, but to be continued because next week

1021
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: we'll Chase and Alex have a reunion on the Wide

1022
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: Down podcast st