1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Depth check, veteran leadership check, energy. Oh yeah, that's a 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: major check. Write it in bold, please, got Alcalvec with me. 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Bird Gang and we're talking Kendrick Bourne, new Cardinals wide receiver. 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: We talked to him. We talk about him first though, 5 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: we talk numbers, uniform numbers. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: nine nine and it starts now. 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 3: Poa Baker, What Heart? 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: What rent? 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable. 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast. Visit Azycardinals 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: dot Com, Slash podcast, pop right. 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: Up the five hit the ends up for the Cardinal touchdown. 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 4: Drey McBride, he's been an absolute monster. 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: Here's Craig Griolo. 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: So, as we established last week, no one Paul cares 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: about your bracket. This is what people do care about. 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: Certainly the Bird Gang cares about this uniform numbers. 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 4: That's right. 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: And I know you brought this up Wolf, I didn't 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 3: mean to laugh. Sorry, Well, it's all good that people 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 3: care about uniform numbers. You brought it up Thursday with 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 3: Wolf on Big Red Rage and Wolf Let's be honest. 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 3: I think was oblivious to what was going on. But 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: here's the deal. 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: And as you say, can't tell the players without a program, 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: you might need a program, come training camp for the 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: number of not only new faces, but new numbers for 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: familiar faces, because as Mac Wilson Senior went on social 31 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: media late last week, he will now be moving from 32 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: number two to number one, which is all kinds of interest. 33 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: You know, we've compared this coming season to twenty twenty 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: three in some ways, new head coach, you're gonna bring 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: a number of new players. I'm not gonna to the 36 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 3: point where I'm saying it's the seventh Purge movie. I'm 37 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: not gonna by the way. 38 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: We'll get to movies here momentarily with Kendrick Bourne. 39 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 4: That's right. 40 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: I'm not getting into that just yet. But there'll be 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: plenty plenty to learn, plenty of pronunciations out there to master, 42 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: plenty of new guys in new positions or old guys. 43 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: We're in new numbers and a new look, and so yeah, 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: I'm getting ready for all that. I just laugh because 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: you know, yes, there's so much, especially in the college game, 46 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: you know, devoted and so much angst expended over uniforms, 47 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: and you know, uniform drops and social media showcases of 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: uniforms and to okay, you know, maybe this is the 49 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 3: get off my lawn take at this point. But you know, 50 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 3: there's only so much you can do to move the 51 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 3: meter anymore in terms of uniforms. In fact, I just 52 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 3: think it's gone all the way back to you know what, 53 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 3: the classic uniforms with decades of brand equity. Let's just 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: stick with that rock what works. And you know what, 55 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 3: if you feel better wearing a certain number, Will Johnson, 56 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: I get it. He's a young guy. How many highlights 57 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: did we see at the University of Michigan where he's 58 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: wearing everybody now the number two. So if he feels 59 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: more comfortable in that, great, If it's a mental edge 60 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: for him in some ways. Perfect. You know, Mac Wilson 61 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: Senior rocket ship number one makes a lot of sense. Okay, great. 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: I mean, is there some sort of statute of limitations 63 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: We're supposed to wait an X number of days. 64 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 4: Or what have you? 65 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: You know, I mean, when you're a first ballot Hall 66 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: of Famer like Larry Fitzgerald and you played seventeen years, 67 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: I get it. No, one's wearing number eleven, at least 68 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: not yet and maybe never ever again without Larry's blessing. 69 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: To the very least, I get it. But beyond that, 70 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: beyond the point what not one percent the point one percent? 71 00:03:59,080 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 4: Guess what? 72 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 3: Just suit up and let's ball. 73 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: I think this goes back to primetime Dion Sanders, who 74 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: authored the quote look good, feel good, play good. Sure, 75 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: and I think a lot is what's happening now. And 76 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: you mentioned Will Johnson, by the way, he made it 77 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: known before MAX announcement that he was switching from zero 78 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: to two and everyone's like, wait a second, MAX number 79 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: is two. Well, there's more trickle down. So yeah, Will 80 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: Johnson is wearing his college number at Michigan and MAC. 81 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: Although Zach Gershman noted this when he retweeted Max announcement. 82 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: When MAC arrived in Arizona a few years back, he 83 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: handed out t shirts that said one of one. So 84 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: this was already something I think MAC perhaps was eyeing 85 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: or trying to manifest, because that's kind of what MAX 86 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: brand is. You mentioned rocket ship and number one kind 87 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: of looks like a rocket ship, if you will, and 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: blasting off into space. So ye, look, if it means 89 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: you're getting Will Johnson to play like he did at 90 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: Michigan or Mac to play maybe a little bit better 91 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: or one just stay healthy. 92 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 4: I'm all for. 93 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: Can I make a sidebar observation? 94 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 4: Is it? 95 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: CSI Gershman. You know, he's always on social media. He's 96 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: doing these investigative you know, a studies. He notices things. 97 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: You know, was his major criminology or something like? Does 98 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: he go online? Is he one of these online investigators. 99 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 3: He's always scouring social media and coming up with good 100 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 3: little informative nuggets and or trends angles wait what does 101 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: this mean? And then he's extrapolating and one plus one 102 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: equals three and yeah, you know he might want to 103 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 3: start to start a sidebar business. In terms of maybe 104 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: the being an online sleuth of sorts. 105 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: It's because of Zach that I found out that Blake 106 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: Gillikin had back surgery. 107 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: There you go, because. 108 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: He follows Blake on Instagram. 109 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: Thank you. 110 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, there is something to stay said. So if 111 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: you don't follow Zach Kerschman, to make sure you do 112 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: follow him. He had the viral tweets of the off 113 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: season when he retweeted the l J. Collier and Dalvin 114 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: Tomlin and video from Japan that got over five million views. 115 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: In a retweet from Lebron James. 116 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: This isn't happenstance. This isn't just an accident. He's not 117 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: just stumbling into this information in this social media goal. 118 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: You know he's out there actively searching for this stuff. 119 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: So okay, well done. You know there's a rumor he 120 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: might be on Cardinals Underground this week as oh so 121 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: we might have this forward. We might have to press 122 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: him on that issue. 123 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: One of the notes on uniform numbers, because now number 124 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: four is available. Greg Dertsch made it official he is 125 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: signing with the Lines, getting reunited with Drew Petsing. So 126 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: four is available. Zero is available now. So when I 127 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: say potential more changes coming with those players that are returning, 128 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: not newcomers, but players who are returning outside of number eight, 129 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: which is retired. Larry Wilson wore that number. But I 130 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: think you could see some movement when those single digits 131 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: are discussed amongst players, because that seems to be what 132 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot of players I is, those number in the 133 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: single digits. 134 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: I don't have this roster in front of me right now, 135 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 3: and you know I shouldn't ask you a question you're 136 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 3: not prepared answer. Who wears number fifteen right now in 137 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: the Cardinals roster? Any idea right off the top fifteen? 138 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: I'm trying to think anybody wear fifteen because based on 139 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: today and you know, finger to the wind over here, okay, 140 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: I mean you know, finger to the wind. This is 141 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: the direction in which the wind is blowing as of 142 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: Monday morning, March twenty third. The Tie Simpson height, oh, 143 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: is extremely real. Nobody wears fifteen. There you go, you 144 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: know what I'm going with it. The Tye Simpson hype 145 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: is extremely real. Right now, dan Orlowski not just fanning 146 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: the flames. He's an arsonist. 147 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: This ass on the flames. 148 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: It just he's in there and he's talking about the 149 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 3: areas in which Ty Simpson is a better NFL quarterback 150 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: than Fernando Mendoza, has made more NFL throws, has run 151 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: a more NFL ready offense. In panic moment, I've never 152 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: really heard that urn before panic moments, ty Simpson is 153 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: superior to Fernando Mendoza. This is all Dani Lasky, and 154 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: wasn't it field Yates. Let's circle back one month ago 155 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: at the combine field Yates with the really good hair, 156 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: and there he is, and he's sitting there with you 157 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: and Danny. And did he not, out of nowhere drop 158 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: a certain something about ty Simpson refresh our memory? 159 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: He did, and it was his doing, not our asking. 160 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: But when the topic came up as far as the 161 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and the third overall pick, he mentioned quarterback 162 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: as a position more likely excuse me, let me rephrase. 163 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'm accurate. More unlikely than 164 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: likely was the phrase that he used. And you can 165 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: go back in the archives to hear and also watch 166 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: that interview that Danny and I did with field Yates. 167 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: But he did throw it out as a possibility even 168 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: at number three. And look, if you believe, and it 169 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: only takes one team, one general manager, regardless of player position. 170 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: But if you believe when you pick top five, this 171 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: is what I believe anyway, Paul, that a top five 172 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: selection doesn't matter what position you play, because if you're 173 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: selecting the top five and you have a chance that 174 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: one of the better players in the particular draft position, 175 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: throw it out the window because you get picked in 176 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: the top five. That's a player that should be a 177 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: multi contract player, maybe a multi pro Bowl player. And 178 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: dare I say borderline consideration for the Hall of Fame? 179 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean, when you're picking that high and you have 180 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: the cream of the top in a particular draft class, 181 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: regardless of position. 182 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: So how many analysts have we heard talk about Ty 183 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: Simpson that the first half of last year, based on 184 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 3: the first half of last season in Alabama, he's a 185 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: top five pick and then all of a sudden he 186 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: trailed off, and in some ways trailed off significantly. Well, 187 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 3: what if that had to do mainly with injury, because 188 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 3: the more that has come out, he might have been 189 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: dealing with a more serious injury than we were led 190 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: to believe. That maybe he was a gamer and he 191 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: gutted it out and he got out there, but you 192 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: know what, he wasn't even nearly even close to being 193 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: at his best. And we had Dave Pash, I filled 194 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: in with Wolf late last week and we had pass 195 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: On and we asked Pash about the comp Ty Simpson 196 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: brock Party. Their measurables are almost identical. I think they're 197 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: separated by an eighth of an inch. And the skill 198 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: set is similar. If you believe a lot of the 199 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: scouts you know, not an overpowering arm, but good enough 200 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: to make all the NFL throws. Now there's a big difference. 201 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 3: You had brock Purty forty something starts at Iowa State 202 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: and ty Simpson has had fifteen starts, matching his jersey number. 203 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: But to hear Dave Pash tell it, because he called 204 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: a lot of brock Parties games in college, and he 205 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 3: called some of ty Simpson's games at Alabama, he considers 206 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: ty Simpson to be more talented, a higher degree of 207 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: Polish coming out of college, and brock Purty did passionmits 208 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: I didn't see brock Purty coming at all. And then 209 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: it leads to the question, well, wait a minute, how 210 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: much of brock Party is Kyle Shanahan in the forty 211 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: nine or system? And maybe ty Simpson is a better prospect. 212 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 3: Maybe he's a better brock Party version of brock Purty 213 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: than brock Purty himself. Maybe just maybe so instead of 214 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: being the very last pick of a draft, mister irrelevant, 215 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 3: if you're gonna take him in the top half of 216 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: the first round. What if the Arizona Cardinals, oh, I 217 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 3: don't know, trade out of number three, go to the 218 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 3: back half of the top ten and still take Ty Simpson. 219 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of intriguing scenarios, and I 220 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: get it. We're now into officially into silly season one 221 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: month out from the draft or so you get the 222 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:48,119 Speaker 3: silly season of mock drafts. But the Ty Simpson momentum, 223 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: if you will, is very intriguing. 224 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: Case you missed the burg Gang on Get Up this Morning, 225 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: Dan Orlofsky quote, I think ty Simpson is the best 226 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: quarterback in this class. Mike Tannebount ESPN insider, founder of 227 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: the thirty third team, former Jets, GM Dolphins executive vice president. 228 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: He retweeted that and added this, The gap between Fernando 229 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: Mendoza and ty Simpson is much smaller than the gap 230 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: between the number two quarterback and the number three quarterback, 231 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: which is a significant difference. Love it, so believe the hype. 232 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: If you want to burd game. 233 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: You know what we need. We need a crescendo there. 234 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 3: We need like a sound effect, some Hollywood drama crescendo 235 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 3: coming in off the soundtrack and the Bowsteer system and 236 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: the speakers all that. So yes, tick talk, We'll see 237 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 3: if the Cardinals are in the market for a quarterback. 238 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: I'll say this, this setting is perfect in the QB 239 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: room Jacoby Brissett and Gardner Minshew to experience guys, especially 240 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 3: Jacoby in the work that he apparently did with Drake 241 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: may in a lot of I mean, it is a 242 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: perfect year to bring in a rookie quarterback into that 243 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 3: quarterback room. Ty Simpson, whoever it is, I'm looking right here, 244 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: the Miami Hurricanes Pro Day is today. My guy Carson Beck. Well, 245 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: at least he was my guy until the playoffs started, 246 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: and even though they went all the way to the 247 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 3: championship game, he wasn't exactly the quarterback that led them. 248 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: But he's had forty something starts and a year and 249 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: a half ago, starting the twenty twenty four season, Carson 250 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: Beck was angling and tracking to be the number one 251 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: pick over all in the draft. Then he had the 252 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 3: elbow injury, and then he went to from Georgia to Miami, 253 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 3: et cetera, and more, et cetera. But if you're gonna 254 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: go edge rusher at number three, you're gonna go liign 255 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: the top a round two, and you have the top 256 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 3: pick of round three, and all of a sudden it's 257 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: the Carson Beck and you bring him in to be 258 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: mentored by Jacoby Rissent and Gardner Minshew. I still say 259 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: that makes a lot of sense. 260 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: Certainly made a lot of sense when we spoke with 261 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne. Pay attention to when we discussed quite Paul 262 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: and myself recently sitting down with Kendrick Born and the 263 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,719 Speaker 1: subjects of quarterback in Kendrick's time with Jacoby Brissett and 264 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: having met Gardner Minshew. Then he also did bring up 265 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: the drafts Kendrick did himself all right, the full interview 266 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: and bird Gang. There's one thing you almost want to 267 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: know about a person. First impressions. They are important, and 268 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: let's just say Kendrick made an outstanding first impression. So 269 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: Paul and I are just meeting you for the first time, 270 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: and it's very easy to see what we see on 271 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: social media. You walk into a room and everyone just 272 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: lights up. Is that who you are? One hundred percent 273 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: of the time three sixty five? 274 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: Absolutely who I am? It's crazy, man, I was kinda 275 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: I was born this way. Uh no, no point attimpt 276 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 4: But it's just my perspective on life too. I ultimately, 277 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 4: you know, raise web on my mom and dad and 278 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 4: my perspective is right about how blessed I am and 279 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 4: the position I'm in. You know, I really think about 280 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 4: it all the time, and it allows me to wake 281 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 4: up with that motivation and bring that energy and just 282 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 4: bring some line into other people. We never know what 283 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 4: somebody's going through. I mean I go through things too, 284 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 4: but that don't mean I need to I need to 285 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 4: bring my problems to where I'm going, you know, so. 286 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: I try to have that light with me because of that, 287 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: and then following you on social media very open, very active, 288 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: the celebration that you posted upon agreeing to terms with 289 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Do you do that all the time? 290 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: I feel I do. I do, And that's just it. 291 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 4: It's just my energy, it's just my character and it's 292 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 4: something that I really enjoy. So that's a it's a consistent. 293 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: Love it. 294 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: You will walk around the Super Bowl doing media with 295 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: a T shirt born Blessed, Yeah, with your name, like 296 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: that's really well done. Okay, But if a rookie comes 297 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 3: up to you in mini camp, an undrafted rookie like 298 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: you were on Eastern Washington and says, all right, you 299 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 3: have a ten year career, what's the key, what sort 300 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: of advice do you give them? 301 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 4: So my biggest thing lately has been relationships. So how 302 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 4: do you connect with the coach, how do you connect 303 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: with the receiver? Coach? You connect with the GM do 304 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 4: you know? Do you know their kids? Name? Little little 305 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: details that go a long way into the game of Okay, 306 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 4: this person really cares about it bigger than football. That 307 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 4: is something that I've been kind of just giving out 308 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 4: gyms of. And football is always the main key. You know, 309 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 4: you got to make plays. You can't just go out 310 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 4: there and be dropping the ball and not being doing 311 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 4: what you're supposed to do. So that's always the main focus. 312 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 4: But if you can build around in the organization and 313 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 4: and really get your your your energy out and and 314 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: build relationships, I think it goes a long way. That's 315 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 4: part of the reason I'm here. I'm connected to Mike. 316 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 4: But that's one of my biggest advices to young guys. 317 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 4: You know, talk and engage, interact and and learn, learn 318 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 4: your coach, learn your teammates. You know, really it takes effort. 319 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 4: It's not just a oh, what do you do? How 320 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 4: you doing today? That's at the surface level. It's no like, really, 321 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: how you're doing and those things build a team. We'll 322 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: get to Micha laflor here in a minute. But to 323 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: Paul's point about being the vet in that room, who 324 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 4: was Kendrick born for you when you were young? Great question? 325 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 4: It was Pierre Garson. Wow, that's a going on. Yeah, 326 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 4: that's a name with the Colts too, right, Yeah, real legends. 327 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 4: So they brought him in my rookie year, signed him 328 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 4: to a big deal at an older age, which was 329 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 4: impressive to me, Like, but you're still getting the big 330 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 4: bucks at this age, which was just dope to see. 331 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 4: And he was just very vital in my development. You know. 332 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 4: He was in the room with me and Mike, So 333 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 4: Mike was a receiver coach and Pierre was in there. 334 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 4: I was in there, so I just learned so much 335 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 4: in the environment of how to work, how to train, 336 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 4: how to take care of your body, and even like 337 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 4: finances off the field, things off the field. Pierre really 338 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 4: was on top of me in it and it helped 339 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 4: me a lot with where I'm at. 340 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: So twenty seventeen to twenty twenty, you're with Mike Lafleur 341 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 3: with the forty nine ers. What do you know about 342 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 3: Mike Lafleur that the rest of us are going to 343 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: find out. 344 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 4: Mike has great energy. He may not show it all 345 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 4: the time, but like he is very energetic. He kind 346 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 4: of got like Sean McVay vibes, you know, gonna be 347 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 4: high energy, passionate about the game. And that may be 348 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 4: something they know, but I think he tries to hide 349 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: it a little bit, you know what I'm saying. He 350 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 4: tried to pull he cool. He is cool, but he 351 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 4: got high energy and and he he knows how, he 352 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 4: knows how to operate a team. And I'm excited to 353 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 4: see how it goes. And he's just a special person 354 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: in me and the opportunity has given me. It means 355 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: a lot. So I'm gonna run through a wall for 356 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 4: that guy. Man. But that's something I think that that 357 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 4: is is his behind the scenes when he's high. 358 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: Energy as your position coach and you come in as 359 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: a rookie of those first two years, three years overall, 360 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: but what did you learn from him that. 361 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: Maybe you still use to this day. I said it 362 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 4: in the interview. Actually it was the pressure might help 363 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 4: me alleviate. So I was going in on third down, 364 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 4: so Mike would get me prepared he would meet with 365 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 4: me extra, like, hey, I need you to be ready 366 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 4: when you're going in the game. So we'd meet about 367 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 4: twenty minutes extra before the game. As a young guy, 368 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: who is what I needed. Sometimes I hate it doing it, like, man, 369 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 4: I just want to go play, Mike, just let me 370 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: go play. But he knew that he was preparing me. 371 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 4: Giving me that extra twenty minutes allowed me to maximize 372 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 4: in the game. And so what I loved about Mike 373 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 4: is he that's what he did. That pressure didn't feel 374 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 4: so heavy when I was going in on third down 375 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 4: as a young guy, like I'm getting the ball, I 376 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 4: kind of going, I know I'm getting the ball, like 377 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 4: and I need to make this play, keep us on 378 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 4: the field. And I just had confidence and it was 379 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 4: all because of Mike. And so I'm excited to see 380 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 4: how he infiltrates that through this team. Build confidence and people, 381 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 4: you know, encourage, build us up. Because that's what he 382 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: did for me. And I can personally say that and 383 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 4: that's why I'm who I am today. Do you know 384 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. He's a big part of it. And 385 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 4: for him to bring me back, it's full circle, all right. 386 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 3: Speaking of influences Eastern Washington. I'm like, wait a minute, 387 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: did he play with Cooper car Yes, all four years 388 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 3: you played with Cooper Coffey. Where or how did he 389 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 3: influence you? 390 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: Big part of my story too, I got a little story. 391 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 4: So when I was a senior, I don't know. I 392 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 4: was like, I'm going to the league. I know I'm 393 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 4: going to the league, So I wasn't going to nose 394 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 4: seven on sevens and things like that. I was kind 395 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 4: of getting senior ritis. And he came to my house 396 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 4: one time. He was like, hey, man, I need you 397 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 4: to get where I'm going. And I'm like, well, what 398 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 4: does that mean? And it was basically, you know, I'm 399 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 4: his wing man. You know when he's getting double covered. 400 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 4: Kendrick Born got to make plays. So when he talked 401 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 4: to me about that and he helped me ship my 402 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 4: mind shift my mindset into all right, I'm needed, you know, 403 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 4: I have a strong role into things where the whole 404 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 4: team is trying to go. I need to understand that. 405 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 4: If I don't understand that, then I'm not a valuable 406 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 4: piece to any team, whether it's in the league or 407 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 4: in pee wee. You know what I'm saying. So it 408 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 4: was something that was special in a moment that I've 409 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 4: that sticks with me, you know, And the way he 410 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 4: worked and trained and took care of his body. He 411 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 4: knew he was going to the NFL like his sophomore year, 412 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 4: which was crazy. I didn't know when I was going. 413 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 4: But that's a little story about how he affected me 414 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 4: in a positive way. 415 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: More wide receiver talk the wide receivers that you are 416 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: joining here. What do you know about Marvin and Michael 417 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: and those guys and watching from afar as a former 418 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: forty nine er. 419 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, Marvin, I've been a fan since he was at 420 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 4: the buck Eyes. Just a phenomenal player, his dad, the 421 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 4: whole story. I've just been in tune what it is. 422 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 4: Just been amazing. Just a wonderful player, seems like a 423 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 4: wonderful kid and athletes. So and then Michael. I just 424 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 4: met him last game or the last game we played 425 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 4: him when he went for two hundred yards, I was like, man, 426 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 4: this guy is. 427 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 3: He had eighteen targets, fifteen catches. 428 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 4: Ball and I was like, bro, who is this guy? 429 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 4: So I didn't really know about Mike who at first, 430 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 4: and I had to go up to him after the game. 431 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 4: I yeah, I just felt it in my spirit to 432 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 4: go talk to him. I was like, hey, man, you're 433 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 4: a Pauler. I don't know who you are, but hey, 434 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 4: I'm kidding man, I seat you so I it's crazy 435 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 4: come full circle. But so just seeing him throughout Dad 436 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 4: last year was just awesome to see and just building 437 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 4: with those guys, bringing energy into the room, you know, 438 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 4: just competing at a high level, healthy competition, pushing guys 439 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 4: in the right way. And I think it's just gonna 440 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 4: allow him to get better and I know they're gonna 441 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 4: allow me to get better. So big fan of those guys. 442 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 4: I'm ready to get to work with him. 443 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: Playing with George Kittle. What is an all pro caliber 444 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 3: tight end do for the receiver room? 445 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: Now you have Trey. 446 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: McBride, it's powerful. So the run game, you know, that's 447 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 4: where it's different for them big boys down there. Them 448 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 4: tight ends, they gotta deal with d n's, they gotta 449 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 4: deal with those big linebackers. Sometimes I might block them 450 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 4: on the edge, pim block, but McBride and guys like Kittle, 451 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 4: they have to deal with them every place. So I 452 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 4: respect them on a whole other level. They have to 453 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 4: know what the old line is doing. I don't really 454 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 4: got to deal with that. Praise God, but you know, 455 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 4: they got to know when the line is shifting right, 456 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 4: shifting left, are they doing a stunt block? And they 457 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 4: have to be in q with that's that takes a 458 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 4: lot of work and like focus and so that position 459 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 4: in itself is special. And I'm a big fan of McBride. 460 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 4: You can ask another question if you're gonna go into it, 461 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 4: but that's how it phil about talking. 462 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 3: I will, actually I will, because he does not like 463 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: the forty nine ers, either does James Connor. And there's 464 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 3: a lot of trash talk between Connor and McBride, and 465 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 3: basically you're the Niners whole sideline. 466 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 4: That actually was I just said it in an interview 467 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 4: also McBride was. He was turning up when we played them. 468 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 4: They were balling him and Mike were bawling and he 469 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 4: was talking. And I love that confidence. I love that 470 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 4: competitive spirit. James Connor ass so that competitive spirit always 471 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 4: gives you a chance. That's why the rivalry has been 472 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 4: what has been over the years, because there's competitive players 473 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 4: and within this organization, in that organization and it clashes, 474 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 4: so who's gonna come out on top? And then that's 475 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: where that's where it gets. The games become fun, the 476 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 4: games become entertaining. But h mcbribe, he's he's special man, 477 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 4: just even his build, like freaking yeah, guys you but 478 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, I'm gonna be training with him, lifting 479 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 4: with him. I might not be able to lift as much, 480 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 4: but he's somebody I'm a fan of and can't wait 481 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 4: to get next to him and make some place. 482 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: You mentioned you met Gardner Minshew and then you played 483 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: with Jacoby Brissette for a season. So how much maybe 484 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: further ahead are you depending on who is the quarterback, 485 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: but at least you got familiarity with one of those guys. 486 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and also the system. So the system is Mike, 487 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 4: you know, I was with him. He I'm gonna be 488 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 4: familiar with it so I can maybe help the quarterback, 489 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 4: you know, if he doesn't know. I don't know if 490 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: they know or not, but if they don't, I can 491 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 4: maybe help them develop. Like hey, all right, I'm I'm 492 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 4: hitting at this point in the route, this is when 493 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 4: you should probably throw it. Things like that that I 494 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 4: can bring that I'm that I had the understanding and 495 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 4: that's powerful. So QB wise, I'm excited for those guys. 496 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 4: You know, I think I think he's gonna be great. 497 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 4: Gardner is a great competitor. Jacoby is a great competitor. 498 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 4: I was with him in New England and he'll sit 499 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 4: in that pocket. He showed great poise this year, last 500 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 4: last year. And then Gardner his competitive spirit. I always 501 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 4: talk about competitive spirits because you know who has it 502 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 4: and you know who don't. And Gardner got that. You know, 503 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 4: he gonna run around, he gonna he gonna make it, 504 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 4: he's gonna sit in the pocket. He's he's gonna have fun, 505 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 4: he's gonna celebrate. And that passion, it intrigues me. So 506 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 4: those two guys they got it. And then the draft 507 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: coming up, so we're gonna see if that gets crazy. 508 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 4: But I don't know. 509 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 3: I don't know, all right, Craig. My last question, fun question. 510 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 3: Who has more skills? Kendrick Bourne or Jason Bourne. I 511 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 3: looked it up. There are five films. Have you seen 512 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 3: on five films? 513 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 4: I might have seen three. I got I gotta. I 514 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 4: don't know what I'm missing, so I haven't watched them 515 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 4: in like in order. I'm just like randomly. 516 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: So even the last name compared didn't compel you to. 517 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: Watch all five. 518 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 4: I need to, though, I need to. 519 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: Well, you know, Matt Damon's old. He's like almost as 520 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: old as me, so I mean, you know they need 521 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 3: a new born. I mean, you know, when you're done playing, 522 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 3: you could be the next born. 523 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 4: So it's actually funny. So before this, before I came 524 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: out here, I went to did a NFL entertainment summit 525 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 4: with the NFL. It was like the trip and went 526 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,479 Speaker 4: to Hollywood and I was acting bro and I was like, 527 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 4: it was the toughest thing I've kind of ever done. 528 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 4: It took like real work. So thinking about him, like 529 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 4: he might have more skills. He might have more skills 530 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 4: because that acting stuff like football is easy. I can 531 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 4: go out there is what I do. Acting you have 532 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 4: to like turn it on. So but he got some skills. 533 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 4: But I'm very talented too, So I want to build 534 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 4: up myself. But I love those movies. I get those 535 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 4: jokes all the time and that like that name because 536 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: people be like, oh you spelling b O r N. 537 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 4: I'll be like, na, I'm boring supremacy. Put it together. 538 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: Well, now that the contract is done, the off season, 539 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: you can watch the entire five movies so that the 540 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,719 Speaker 1: identity has Kendrick a pleasure, real pleasure to have you 541 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: in the building and look forward to seeing you in 542 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: action real soon. Thank you guys, appreciating all right, Paul, 543 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: if you're curious, I went back and looked it up. 544 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: There are five films. They are the Bourne Identity, here 545 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: we go, the Bourne Supremacy okay, the Boorn Ultimatum. I 546 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: think I've seen that one. The Bourne Legacy haven't seen 547 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: that one, and just simply Jason Bourne saw that one. 548 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 1: So there are five. As compared to how many Purge 549 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: films are there, well. 550 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 3: There's five, there's six. Was the Big Red Purge, Yeah, 551 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 3: which was the last twenty twenty three, twenty four, the 552 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 3: Reconstruction of the Roster. So yes, it's it's right there 553 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 3: in terms of but the fact that you know, he 554 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 3: didn't really you know, add up what could be a 555 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 3: potential post playing career opportunity for Kendrick Bourne. Although he 556 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 3: has a lot of respect for the acting angle. 557 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: Of its no doubt about that. 558 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: I mean, come on, Matt Damon, it's all the body double, 559 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 3: it's all the stunt double doing all this stuff. You know, 560 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne would be more like Tom Cruise do all 561 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 3: his own stunts. You know what I mean. He's got 562 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 3: the athleticism. I tell you though, he is gonna get 563 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 3: us through the month of August. There's an extra preseason game. 564 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: You know it's gonna be their camps starting ultra early 565 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 3: this year, so you get some good personalities like a 566 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne, a Gardner Minshew, and you know, if nothing 567 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: else in media will learn to appreciate those guys. 568 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm waiting because I firmly believe that the first time 569 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: that Kendrick Bourne has a bad day here with the 570 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: Aarzona Cardinals will be the first time he has a 571 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: bad day period, because I don't think they exist. And 572 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: that was very clear, not only when he walked into 573 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: his introductory press conference dressed to the nines, by the way, 574 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: making you and I Paul look absolutely foolish, and then 575 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: as he sat down and you just the energy just 576 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: it was unbelievable and you could feel it when he 577 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: walked into this studio, walked into the press conference. So look, 578 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: we know what his numbers are, and this is year ten. 579 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: He's not a number one wide receiver, he's not a 580 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: number two wide receiver. But can he be number three, 581 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: And I think the answer is a firm yes. Now 582 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: he would be your fourth pass catcher behind Trey McBride. 583 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: But as far as the wide receiver room is concerned, 584 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: and you heard him talk about how much of where 585 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: he is in his career going into the year ten, 586 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: how much Kendrick puts that on Mike Lafleur and those 587 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: first two seasons when Lafleur was the forty nine Ers 588 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: wide receivers coach and making Kendrick Bourne that third down receiver, 589 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: the possession receiver, gotta have it, got to make a 590 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: play receiver, and all of a sudden nine years into 591 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: the league, going into year ten, Kendrick Bourne, I think 592 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: it's a solid addition on the field and certainly off 593 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: the field as well well when you talk about the 594 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 1: leadership components of what he might be able to do 595 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: with a Michael Wilson and a Marvin Harrison junior. 596 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: So he tweeted this out. I just went and found 597 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 3: it your discussion and observation about his energy. He tweeted 598 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: out right about the time the Cardinals signed him, and 599 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 3: I think he realized the sort of first impression he made. 600 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 3: You know, and and and you know, look, he'd been 601 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 3: around the Niners in number of years, he was in 602 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 3: New England a number of years, so we're just learning him. 603 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 3: And he tweeted out, when you learn the real currency 604 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: is your energy, your whole life is going to change. 605 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 3: So when you talk about those things that you can control, 606 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: right and those are beyond your control. That's something with 607 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 3: a teenage punks at Costa Helvci that that actually I 608 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 3: use that and I actually shared them that with them, 609 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 3: that how you make other people feel was within your control, 610 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: how you enter the room, how you know your positivity, 611 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: your energy, that's all within your control. And that's something 612 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 3: that people remember, and that is something that people attach 613 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 3: to your brand, your personal brand, your resume, if you will. 614 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 3: So he learned that early on, and you know what, 615 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: in some regards he had to He was undrafted out 616 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 3: of Eastern Washington. No one really gave him a chance. 617 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 3: He credits Mike Lafleur being a big part of his 618 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: development and forging a ten year NFL career as his 619 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 3: first position coach with the forty nine ers. And then 620 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 3: in some ways you wonder, okay, could he be a 621 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 3: kin to Mike Lafleur. What a Drew Stanton was for 622 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 3: Bruce Arians. You know, this system so much of a 623 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan system is, you know, the receivers and the 624 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 3: weapons being in the right place at the right time, 625 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 3: adjusting on the fly Reid routes. It's really complex. It 626 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 3: really keeps the defense on its toes, really hard to 627 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: scout and notice tendencies because Kyle Shanahan, even more than 628 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 3: a Sean McVay, is known for breaking his own tendency. 629 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: So I expect that to be a competitive advantage part 630 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: of the DNA of a Mike Laflor offense, and I 631 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: think a guy like Kendrick Bourne there's a reason why 632 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 3: they target him. Not only is there a familiarity and 633 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 3: a comfort factor, but I believe at this point in 634 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 3: his career, with his knowledge of the floor and that system, 635 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 3: he's gonna be out as close to a player coach 636 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 3: on that offense as you're gonna find. 637 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: We talk about it with Mac Wilson being an extension 638 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: of Nick Ralis defensively yep. Now maybe not to the 639 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: same extent because you're talking about a wide receiver and 640 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: not your quarterback, but within this offense and trying to 641 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: figure out what it might look like, how much of 642 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: it when the passing game is talked about, how much 643 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: is it about timing where you need to be as 644 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: a receiver because the ball is coming your way and 645 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: maybe you're not quite turned around yet, but you know 646 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: that football is going to be there because it's three steps, 647 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: four steps, five steps, and a lot of going back 648 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: to McVeigh and Shanahan and going even further back to 649 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: Bill Walsh, a lot of that is just timing. It's 650 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: not so much the talent, but can you run your 651 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: route properly, correctly and get a little bit of separation, 652 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: put yourself in front of the dB and be ready 653 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: to catch the football. So I think that to what 654 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: you were talking about, Paul, can be what Kendrick Bourn 655 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,239 Speaker 1: in that room, whether it's on the field or off 656 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: the field in the classroom, be that this is what 657 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: Mike means when he. 658 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 4: Says X, Y and Z. 659 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 3: That's a great observation because if you go back to 660 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 3: the first year with Drew stand and Carson Palmer and 661 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 3: Carson had a bunch of interceptions the first half of 662 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 3: that first season, and then we learned later it was 663 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 3: on the receivers. It really wasn't on Carson. He was 664 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 3: throwing to the right spot, he was reading the coverage correctly. 665 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 3: It was the receivers who are screwing it up, messing 666 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: it up. There was the receivers who had a bigger 667 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 3: learning curve than a Carson Palmer. So to your point, 668 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 3: I think it's more valuable than most people realize because 669 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 3: it is going to be a new scheme and there's 670 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 3: gonna be a lot to learn. Now Jacoby Brissett, He's 671 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 3: learned a lot of different schemes with a lot of 672 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 3: different coaches. So once again, whether he's your starter all 673 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: season long and you're looking at next offseason as at 674 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 3: the future franchise quarterback or that quarterback comes via this draft, 675 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: you got a guy who's really well equipped to handle 676 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 3: that role. And hopefully the learning curve it isn't as 677 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 3: vast as you might expect. And guess what, as much 678 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 3: as some might lament an extra preseason game, like ten 679 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: year veterans like a Kendrick Bourne, it might be the 680 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 3: best thing that could happen, especially to this Cardinals offense, 681 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 3: when a new scheme and a new playbook, when new 682 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: demands and new adjustments are all straight ahead, and I 683 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 3: get it. In the preseason, defenses are playing a lot 684 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 3: of vanilla stuff, but there's nothing like playing time in 685 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 3: an extra preseason game. Loogan Marvin Harrison Junior, who got 686 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 3: three snaps his rookie season in the preseason, and going back, 687 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 3: he said, you know what, I wish I would have 688 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 3: had some more time, more time with Kyler, more time 689 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: against NFL players. No, they're not scheming, and the disguises 690 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 3: aren't there post snap because it's vanilla. But there's a 691 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: lot that can be gained, especially by first and second 692 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 3: year players. And when you have a first year head 693 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 3: coach or the brand new scheme, you know what, that 694 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 3: fourth preseason game might be more valuable than just a 695 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 3: showcase rolier for SHILD in its Hall of Fame weekend. 696 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: An extra preseason game and extra a week because your 697 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: offseason strength and conditioning program can begin earlier with a 698 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: first year head coach. And what do coaches certainly lament 699 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: with the new collective bargain in agreement Time on the field, yep, 700 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: time with these players in the offseason. 701 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 3: Now. 702 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: Props to the players forgetting what they want, but that 703 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: was that was the negotiation, and coaches, we heard Jonathan 704 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: Gannon bringing up because you don't have a lot of 705 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: time with these players like you do in college or 706 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: really get hands on, so could be now again for us, 707 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: maybe you get to that second or third preseason game, 708 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: you're like, oh wait, we have one more to go. 709 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: But for these players that are fighting for a roster 710 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: spot or learning this offense, maybe it is beneficial even 711 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: if you're not playing in the game, but you have 712 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: those extra days of practice leading into a game. 713 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 3: Look, is Josh Swat gonna get a single snap in 714 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 3: the preseason. If he doesn't, I don't care, it doesn't matter. 715 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 3: But there are certain players who need it. There're gonna 716 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 3: be young offensive linemen I surmise who are going to 717 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 3: need it. If Isaac Sayamalo, your new starting left guard, 718 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 3: doesn't get any snaps in the preseason, don't care. Oh 719 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: wait a minute, what about the chemistry and cohesion with 720 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 3: Paris Johnson Junior and Yellow Froholt. They'll figure it out 721 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 3: that I'm confident in a ten year vet, but some 722 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 3: of these other guys, so we'll see. We'll see exactly 723 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 3: what the preseason means. I know this much that it 724 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 3: is gonna be something that Mike Lafleur is going to 725 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 3: value and he will maximize. And I don't think it's 726 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 3: gonna be an operation that just goes through the motions 727 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 3: and just tries to stay healthy and avoid injury. I 728 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 3: think August will be a time of a serious commitment 729 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 3: to getting the operation flawless. You know, Laflora's mentioned on 730 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 3: his own a number of times what it looks like 731 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 3: coming out of the huddle, the line of scrimmage, how 732 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 3: much he respects Kyle Shannan, Sean McVay. It's always crisp. 733 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 3: You know, you're not getting these delay of game penalties, 734 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 3: you're not getting illegal motion penalties. Everyone you know, it 735 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 3: looks NFL worthy. So that's going to be a big deal. 736 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: And for that reason, if the Cardinals run some more 737 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 3: advanced stuff in the preseason, just to try and make 738 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 3: sure that their own players have mastered it, forget about 739 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 3: what we put on film whatever. We want to make 740 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 3: sure that our players have mastered it. Because what was 741 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 3: something that Cliff Kingsbury lamented his first year, and that 742 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 3: was we hid so much that we actually curtailed our 743 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 3: only learning curve. We actually prevented our guys from mastering it. 744 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,479 Speaker 3: Forget about trying to fool the defense. If we can't 745 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 3: pull it off, we're going nowhere. 746 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,240 Speaker 1: Week one against the Detroit Lions in Cliff the following year, joked, 747 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: maybe not so much joke, but thought he was going 748 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: to get fired at halftime because things were such a 749 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: struggle to move the football because of what you just 750 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: said there, Paul. Because everything was kept so close to 751 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 1: the vest and behind closed doors that once you went 752 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: out to perform, you didn't know where to be or 753 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: what to do, and it just didn't look very good 754 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: for the first thirty minutes of that Week one game 755 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: that the Cardinals forced into overtime and finished with a tie. 756 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 3: By the way, so yes, remember is Lament at halftime, 757 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh boy, I bought this multi multi million 758 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 3: dollar house in Paradise Valley. That might have been a 759 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 3: bad move. It turns out it was very well bought. Oh, 760 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 3: I think he's done very well in that investment. 761 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: Before we head on out of here, you mentioned offensive line. 762 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: The Cardinals did make another addition in free agency to 763 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: the O line. Oly sameca udo. We're gonna call him 764 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: only for short by the way, Yes, I have been 765 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: working on that pronunciation. Apparently he just goes by only, 766 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: which is fine for us when we got to say it. 767 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: Forget about spelling it. But he is a six foot 768 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: six three and twenty pound offensive lineman, time at tackle, 769 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: time at guard, comes in on a one year contract. 770 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: Seven seasons in the league with the Vikings, Saints and 771 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 1: most recently with the Titans. But I think what we've 772 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: established in this offseason, Paul, as much as a year 773 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: ago was about the defense, this offseason is about the offense. 774 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: Because Oly is the fourth free agent added to the 775 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: offensive line. 776 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, the rising tide, the lists all boats competition, bringing 777 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 3: a bunch of guys, guys with experience, and see where 778 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 3: you end up, see what they look like in camp. Now, 779 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 3: I would guess that you're starting right tackle is still 780 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 3: coming in the draft, although Elijah Wilkinson started all seventeen 781 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 3: games for Atlanta last year. So if a number three overall, 782 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 3: you're going edge rusher and then a top round tierre wed, 783 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 3: I thought you're going to quarter back at number three, 784 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 3: hang on, and then in their top round two maybe 785 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 3: you're going quarterback or your package up two and three 786 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 3: to get back into the first round to take quarterback. 787 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you don't go franchise right tackle 788 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 3: in the draft. Well, you know what, you're okay with 789 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 3: Elijah Wilkinson, Matt pryor Olie or if he doesn't like 790 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 3: me calling him Polly pensil calling, I just call him 791 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 3: mister Udo. You know, either one works for me as 792 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 3: long as I can avoid that full first name. So 793 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 3: you see, you see the strategy here. You're gonna flood 794 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 3: the old line room with some proven veterans. Now a 795 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 3: lot of them are backup quality. I get it, but 796 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 3: you know, at least you're gonna have options. Look at 797 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 3: last year, thirteen different offensive linemen played most in the NFL, 798 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 3: eight different offensive line combinations. So you have to safeguard 799 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,320 Speaker 3: against the possibility that, you know what, we're gonna be 800 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 3: left high and dry along this offensive line if injuries 801 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 3: hit again. It just seems to be something that plagues 802 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 3: the NFL at this point, So you pray to the 803 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 3: NFL injury gods. He knock on wood and and you 804 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 3: know whether it's Francis Malinoa, yes, Wolf, we know you're listening. 805 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 3: I get it. Francis Malenoa, you're all in, or someone 806 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: else the one that's intriguing. It's is it Morgan Freeling 807 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 3: the Georgia tackle. You've seen him top five, you've seen 808 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 3: him bottom five of the first round. He is all 809 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 3: over round one. Based on various mock drafts, some have 810 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 3: the Cardinals trading out with the Washington Commanders, leaving. 811 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: David Bailey on the board. 812 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 3: I don't expect that to happen, and then going down 813 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 3: to number seven and then taking the six foot seven 814 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,399 Speaker 3: Georgia left tackle there. But other mock drafts have him 815 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 3: going twenty seven to twenty eighth a round one. 816 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: Mel Kiper and his latest mock draft, which was released 817 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 1: last week, he had Monroe Freeling as the first offensive 818 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: lineman tackle or guard period re off the board. Wow, 819 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: and no other offensive lineman drafted in his first ten picks. 820 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 3: So once again we think we know, we don't know. 821 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 3: Melkiper's not just pulling that out of a hat. He's 822 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 3: talking to a lot of personnel decision makers with his 823 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 3: thirty plus years of experience. So that's gaining steam. And 824 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 3: then to come full circle, Ty Simpson gaining steam and 825 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,480 Speaker 3: rising up. Though it happens every year, Craig, I mean, 826 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 3: whether it's Anthony Richardson, ending up at number four to 827 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 3: the Colts. It's just seemingly every year there is that quarterback. 828 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: Who's a late mover, and it's only going to get 829 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: louder when it comes to the quarterback position. One, it's 830 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: the most most important position in the game. And then 831 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: two we've got what a little over a month before 832 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: the draft begins, so yeah, still plenty of time to discuss, discuss, 833 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: dissect what the Cardinals may or may not do with 834 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: that third overall pick. 835 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 3: So and and you know, and we're even getting like, uh, 836 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 3: we're not only getting like one point oh two point 837 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 3: zho three point zero, Like Charles Davis has mock Draft 838 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 3: two point one. So now now we're actually getting the 839 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 3: decimal point change, not just the numeral, but the decimal point. 840 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 3: And by the way, Charles Davis, your guy out in 841 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 3: the draft every year, or the combine that is has 842 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 3: mock Draft two point one, Fernanda mendoz and number one, 843 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 3: David Bailey number two, and then Jeremile Love number three 844 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 3: to the Cardinals. 845 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: There to dream, paul I, just. 846 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 3: If you're telling me Saquon Barklay, if you're telling me 847 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 3: he's b Jean Robinson, Okay, but I do not see 848 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 3: the Cardinals going running back at number three overall. Where 849 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 3: did Ashton genty go without an offensive line last year 850 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 3: at number six overall for the Raiders, I don't see that. 851 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 3: It's either you're building from the inside out, it's the trenches, 852 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 3: it's the O line, it's the D line, or it's quarterback. 853 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 3: And I just beyond that, I would be very surprised. 854 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 3: All the mock drafts Zach Gershman. As we bring it 855 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 3: full circle here praising Young Zach. He follows it all 856 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 3: the latest mock draft tracker. You can find it on 857 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 3: Easycardinals dot com and good luck with young Zach on 858 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 3: Cardinals Underground on Tuesday. There you go, that makes sense, 859 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 3: mock draft track or sees track and everything online, all 860 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 3: the social media CSI Gershman. Yes. 861 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: On that note, we will put a lid on this 862 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, pro partner 863 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,520 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our 864 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: executive producer Joe Mama Hunter, our associate producer Coddy Fincher. 865 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: For Paul Calvic, I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk to 866 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals cover two,