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Speaker 1: Well look, man Um and ten Lann, it's always great

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Speaker 1: we're encouraging people that are listening. Everybody ain't the grain.

427
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Speaker 1: Everybody's not. I'm walking with you on the track. If

428
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: you're walking counterclockwise, I'm walking with you. If you walking

429
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: the other way, I'm walking with you. Know who's walking

430
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: with you? Because what I have seen is pushing off

431
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: good support systems. And that's why I wanted to chime

432
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: in on that, because when they said listen to your heart,

433
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: you'll know. Sometimes, brothers, you don't know because your heart

434
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: has not been healed. So I think a lot of

435
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: what you're speaking from us from a place of healing,

436
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: because you started healing yourself through the process where everybody else,

437
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 1: if you're not healed, your heart has misled you. Because

438
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: if you were so busy, if you were so in

439
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: tune with your heart and so in tune with discernment,

440
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: you might not have been in prison. Let's admit that

441
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: there are some things we need to relearn. And that's

442
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: what I was thinking about. Actually, when you said walk counterclockwise,

443
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: let's walk backwards in life. Not to dwell on things,

444
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: not to beat beat yourself up, but let's walk backwards

445
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: and try to figure out where did I go wrong?

446
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: What did I not stop it? What did I not

447
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: pause at? What did I what did I not see

448
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: around me? And I'm hoping because I love metaphors. When

449
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: you gave me that, that's what that's what came my mind.

450
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: Because what we know is when you say, they're conditioning

451
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: you to do the same thing over and over. What

452
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: we also know is that the anti soul show what

453
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: they say. Personality who are more lend, more apt to

454
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: have criminal activity also has patterns. That's why they can

455
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: say a serial killer looks like this, a dope dealer

456
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: does this. There are patterns that have to be undone

457
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: too in order to be able to heal. And I

458
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: would say from a you certainly know more than me.

459
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: This is just from a supporter standpoint that people in

460
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: my family, people that I've been with that have done time,

461
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: they all they know what's going against the ground. The

462
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: antisocial personality is really going against the grain. That's not

463
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: what you're saying. But I want to make sure that

464
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: they hear the difference, because the anti social personality goes

465
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: against social norms. If they say do this, they do

466
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: the opposite. If they say do this, do the opposite.

467
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: So as they're listening, I just want to make sure,

468
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: because I know what you're saying, that you're not saying

469
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: go against the grain from the previous mentality. You're saying

470
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: instead of being segregated in prison, which prison is the

471
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: most segregated place in the world where black people only

472
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: talk to black people white people on tell the white

473
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: you're saying go against the grain, of what you've been

474
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: taught as a norm which has not benefited you obviously,

475
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: and look at other ways that you can benefit with

476
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: other people in your life with that. Does that sum

477
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: that up? Look that that sums that up, um precisely.

478
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: And And as as as far as I am in life, UM,

479
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: if I had somebody like you, UM that was in

480
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: my life that was that was a believer, a conceiver

481
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: or an achiever when I was incarcerated, UM, I would

482
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: have been even even much further um much sooner um.

483
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, that's probably a conversation

484
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: that for another time, But I think that there's not

485
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: enough light that shed on um, people such as yourself

486
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: that have to walk through. Look, you talked about preparing

487
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: a book. I know what it's like to be someone

488
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: like you on the other end, right, because I had

489
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: someone like you on the other end that that that

490
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: package the book that you know, got the got the

491
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: transcript in the mail, reach transcribed it on the computer,

492
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: because we probably did it on the on the type writer. Right. Um. Uh.

493
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: They have to get up at five o'clock in the

494
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: morning to make it to the institution at a certain time. UM.

495
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: To have to be subjected to making sure that your

496
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: outfit wasn't so called too tight and all of that

497
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: other stuff, right, Like, it takes a different level of strength,

498
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: And that's a conversation for another. There was probably a

499
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: tweet threat that you and I can go back up

500
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: and fourth and sorry, guys who are listening to this, Uh,

501
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: you probably won't be able to see that tweet threat,

502
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: but we can we can update you. But in any event, Yes,

503
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I'm talking about. And I think that

504
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: that's a great summary of what that that that stream

505
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: of consciousness is. I want to talk about one of

506
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: two things very briefly before I get into that that

507
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: fourth point. When I was incarceraty, Yes, there there there

508
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: was something that I called my inner diming that I discovered.

509
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: I looked at my life introspectively. That means, how what

510
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: what what was on the inside of me? The heart stuff? Right?

511
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: What was what was what was dark about me? That

512
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: I didn't like about myself? I would ask back from

513
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: people that I was incarcerated, how am I showing up?

514
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: What's your experience in me? Not just people that I

515
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: was incarcerated with. I would even ask officers. I mean

516
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: because Look, I was an institution for approximately twelve and

517
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: a half years, right, twelve years, So you develop relationships

518
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: with the officers in that institution. And so people had

519
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: a report. What I will always ask him ecacingally, how

520
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: am I showing up? How do you see me in

521
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: a way that I don't necessarily see myself? That's introspected introspection.

522
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: I would also look at my life retrospectively. I would

523
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: ask the people on the outside that I had relationships with,

524
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: what was your experience of me when I was incarce

525
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: before I incarcerated, was I a good friend? One one

526
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: person told me in particular, she said, look, let me

527
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: tell you something, Louis. She said, you are you have

528
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: always been a good friend. You were a terrible boyfriend

529
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: that he's like, Yo, you were a great friend. You've

530
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: always been a great friend. Right, you were terrible with boyfriend, right,

531
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: And so that was one of the things that I

532
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: would ask people about myself. Then I started looking at

533
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: my life right prospectively. How was how did I want

534
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: to show up? How realistic were my dreams? So on

535
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: and so forth, And that helped me, Right. And so

536
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this and you want a so

537
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: called recipe for ultimate success. And I don't mean success

538
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: as defined by Louis l Read. Your success basically might

539
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: mean going home, getting your CDL and just seeing the world.

540
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: Your success might be going home and and and you

541
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: know you probably got that brown paper bag under the

542
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: matchs drug money still slash the way, right, and so

543
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: you just want to kind of like take that and

544
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: be with your children. Whatever you well, however it is

545
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: that you define success, that's not going to put you

546
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: back in prison. You do that. But the last thing

547
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: that I want to talk you about, right, talk to

548
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: you about achievers. I talked to you about conceivers. I

549
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: talked to you about believers. The last type of person

550
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: that you have to have in your life. You need

551
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: a reliever, somebody who is going to pull you into

552
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: their peace before they drag you into their problems. If

553
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: you say that again, repeat that, repeat that one more time.

554
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: Pay They gotta pull you into their piece before they

555
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: drag you into their problems. Right. Your man's in them,

556
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: that's showing up, that's trying to give you a package,

557
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: that's trying to put the wood up now in your hand. Right,

558
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: that's that's talking to you about like the stuff that's

559
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: happening so on and so forth around the way. Believe me,

560
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: they are dragging you into their problems. You want people

561
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: that's gonna pull you into their peace. If somebody is saying, yo, baby, look,

562
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: come with me to the grocery store, and your man

563
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: is saying, yo, yo, take this run with me. I'm

564
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: going to the grocery store. I don't care how long

565
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: you gotta take. I don't care what you know, what

566
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: what it is that we gotta get off the shelf.

567
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to the grocery store. You need people who

568
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: are going to pull you into their piece before they

569
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: drag you into their problems. And so when you're looking

570
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: at a so called recipe for success again, when you

571
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: are released, it has to begin from the inside out.

572
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: And then once you are out, you gotta think about

573
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: those things that you aught about when you were on inside.

574
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: I tell people every single day, no matter what interview

575
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: that I do, whether I'm on CNN, whether I'm on

576
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: Black News Network, whether I'm on Christianity Today, it doesn't matter.

577
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, my worst day out in

578
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: the street is better than my best day when I

579
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: was inside. My worst day out in the street. It's

580
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: better than my best day when I was inside. Let

581
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: me say that one more time for the people in

582
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: the back and the even if it's called count and

583
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: even if your man and it was making noise, if

584
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: if if there was some doors being in the background,

585
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: et cetera, my worst day in the street is better

586
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: than my best day when I was inside. You know,

587
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: I really love this conversation. This is really worse. I'm

588
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: so excited about this project. I'm loving this exchange between

589
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: you and I from a supporter and also from your

590
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: perspective because the people that I supported has have not

591
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: they don't they don't have your experience in where you

592
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: are now, your level of healing. So you're giving me

593
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: a lot of insight on what I didn't know. And

594
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: I'm hoping I'm sharing because everybody's experience is different. I'm

595
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: hoping I'm sharing insight on what it's like from the

596
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: supporter of perspective. And I always love conversations, you know,

597
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: to lens conversations because it's not a right or wrong.

598
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: It just gives people, you know, feedback on their experience.

599
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: And from the supportive perspective, when you said pull people

600
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: into your piece instead of your problems. That is so powerful,

601
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: and as a supporter, I allow his problems to take

602
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: me from my peace. And so while while you are

603
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: saying don't let people pull into your problems, that is accurate,

604
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: no doubt, but they must also understand that if you're

605
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: not bringing peace into my life, what I'm trying to

606
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: be the people you're bringing your problem. If you are

607
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: not bringing people in my life right now, what I say,

608
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: if if, if, if I'm not smalling, I'm not downing

609
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm not calling you if I don't smile,

610
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: if I don't Because what happened, as much loyalty as

611
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: I have for my loved one, as much as he did,

612
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: it became I became all those things that you mentioned,

613
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: and it became what we call codependency. It became let

614
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: me fix him because I wasn't able to fix my daddy.

615
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: Let me fix him because for me, it's very easy

616
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: to do. Because I'm in the movement, I'm already built

617
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: to help stranger. So of course when my people come

618
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: to me, it's automatic. And so I got caught up

619
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: and so caught up in that of trying to heal

620
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: what I could not fix that. It is very important.

621
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: I think your girls said it best. You're a great friend,

622
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: but not a great boyfriend. And I think as your

623
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: support systems, as you're developing this report systems. This is

624
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: just what I would say to them. And somebody says, hey, Louis,

625
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: I love you. You can't be my man, but i'll

626
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: be a friend. I'll help you get through dollar like,

627
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: accept that because you might be bringing problems in her peace.

628
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: And when she starts, when you bring problems in her peace,

629
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: then she can't be peace to you or anybody else,

630
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: and more importantly to herself, and now it's counterproductive, and

631
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: then that causes her to have so much pain that

632
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: she'll never give another opportunity to somebody else that maybe

633
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: have had some challenges, and now we're broken and nothing changes.

634
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: So I would tell brothers and sisters, listen, if people

635
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: in your life are any of those things, and just

636
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: because you want them to be something else, it may not,

637
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: it may not be meant for them to be that

638
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: thing you think they should be. But whatever they're bringing

639
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Speaker 1: to you that is positive that you can take. Don't

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Speaker 1: take it personal. Don't think, oh, you're abandoned to me,

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Speaker 1: like everybody else. No, maybe you're just a handful of

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Speaker 1: right now because you haven't healed and you don't know

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Speaker 1: how to talk to me, and you deal with aggression

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Speaker 1: and you know, you gotta get that stink off of you.

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Speaker 1: You have to wash that off of you. And if

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Speaker 1: you have not done the work, because I want to

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Speaker 1: be very clear, you have done the work. And we

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Speaker 1: all got work to do, but you've clearly done the work.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have not done the work. So

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Speaker 1: as they're listening to this, do the work. Understand if

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Speaker 1: that person said auntie, a mother or dad, a girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: a boyfriend. If they're saying, hey, I can help you

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Speaker 1: on this, but I can't help you in that because

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Speaker 1: you're destroying my people. Don't get mad because you're cutting

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Speaker 1: off your blessing. Give to you what I have for

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Speaker 1: you and continue to build on that. Did you have

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Speaker 1: something that Look, I was I was gonna say something right,

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Speaker 1: so um at the caveat to everything that I just said.

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Speaker 1: And I know that as people were listening, um, it

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Speaker 1: probably tackled your fancy and you're you're running through your

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Speaker 1: your your directory, right, like what type of person do

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Speaker 1: I have in my life that fits this that fits

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Speaker 1: that the ultimate, the ultimate moment of clarity, the ultimate

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Speaker 1: goal for yourself should not be for you to have

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Speaker 1: people that exemplify those characteristics in your life. Ultimately you

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Speaker 1: should be showing up for someone else, exemplifying all of

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Speaker 1: those characteristics for other people in their lives as well. Again,

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Speaker 1: at the top of my conversation I took about this

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Speaker 1: is not about me, This is about we. We were

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Speaker 1: able to get that bill across the finish line. And

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Speaker 1: in life it shouldn't be about you. It should be

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Speaker 1: about the us. It shouldn't be about the meat. It

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Speaker 1: should be about the weak. And so while you're searching

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Speaker 1: your directory for people who are going to be a

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Speaker 1: believer and achiever, a reliever and a conceiver, right somebody

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Speaker 1: in their line is searching the directory to see how

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Speaker 1: you're showing up for them as well. And so there

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Speaker 1: should be some reciprocity. So everything that you just said

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Speaker 1: plus plus plus plus plus absolutely I love that we

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Speaker 1: have to reciprocate because if you're not uh showing up

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Speaker 1: for me in that way and I and and I

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Speaker 1: subscribed to that, it's not about the we, it's about

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Speaker 1: the me. But to the supporter that sometimes becomes where

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Speaker 1: it's all about them and never about me, and I

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Speaker 1: don't have self care, and I don't have mental care,

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Speaker 1: and I don't have And then I wake up and

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Speaker 1: I find this is my own personal experience. I find

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Speaker 1: it well, I haven't been taking care of myself literally

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Speaker 1: and physically for the last six or seven years because

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Speaker 1: I've been so attached to making it all about the week.

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Speaker 1: And it's very easy for people, like I said, for

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Speaker 1: people like me, because my whole life is centered on

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Speaker 1: the week, not to meet. So reciprocate is the best,

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Speaker 1: is exactly it? Expect what, don't expect to get what

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Speaker 1: you give because to me, nobody can't beat my love

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Speaker 1: and I'm always give more than what they give me.

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Speaker 1: But seriously, yeah, no, that's really I know that if

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Speaker 1: I if I've waited on everybody reciprocating what I do

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Speaker 1: at the level that I give you, you literally don't

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Speaker 1: have the capacity to give what I give because I've

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Speaker 1: been called to give what I give. So this is

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Speaker 1: my life every day seven I don't I don't have

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Speaker 1: that expectation. I had to learn that people only can

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Speaker 1: give you what they have the capacity to give, and

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Speaker 1: what they are capable to give. You literally may not

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Speaker 1: be capable of it. It's like telling somebody who's paralyzed

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Speaker 1: to walk. If you can't walk, you just can't walk.

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Speaker 1: What I will tell you to do is can you

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Speaker 1: crawl to it? And can you if you can't? To me?

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Speaker 1: Can you encourage me to walk? Can you cheer me on?

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Speaker 1: Can you do? Can you give me some water? Can't

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Speaker 1: you somel? What can you do? But I don't hold

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Speaker 1: people to the standard that I give. But I do

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Speaker 1: hold you to the standard of what you can do.

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Speaker 1: And that's where this tripic reciprocation, at least for me

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Speaker 1: in my life as a supporter of somebody who's been incarcerated,

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Speaker 1: because if I hold you to that standard, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of women do. Speaking to the sisters, he need

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Speaker 1: to be able to pay this, and he need to

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Speaker 1: be able to do that. He need to be able

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Speaker 1: to this and that not understanding this man just did

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. This man just That's how a lot of

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Speaker 1: people go back into the pen. They come out trying

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Speaker 1: to compete on what other men are doing. I compete

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Speaker 1: on what she's doing. Oh, well, you makes X amounts,

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Speaker 1: So I want to miss a very big issue as

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Speaker 1: a whole. Another conversation, stop trying to keep up with

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Speaker 1: what I'm doing, because while you were locked up, I

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Speaker 1: was building and planning seeds. So allowing your ego to

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Speaker 1: come out and try to be what I am, even

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Speaker 1: though you were able to go from prison to jay

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Speaker 1: Z in five years, doesn't happen with most people. So

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Speaker 1: I've seen people run relationships off because you're trying to

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Speaker 1: give me what I can give you, and sometimes it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work that way, and the supporter has to understan

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Speaker 1: Then the more than likely you may have more to

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Speaker 1: give financially, emotionally, spiritually, intellectually. But if I'm giving it

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Speaker 1: to you, but a damn well, appreciate it. Don't be

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Speaker 1: entitled and give what you can. It may be an

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Speaker 1: encouraging word and maybe a hug it, maybe just peace

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Speaker 1: in the house. Can you just keep peace in the house.

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Speaker 1: So so from a supportive standpoint, I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: chime that ind because I think these conversations are really

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00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: helpful Lewis and and seeing from two lens really makes

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Speaker 1: a differences. Now, I was just gonna say, I know

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Speaker 1: that we probably about time to look for the fellas. Uh,

747
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: that are listening to this podcast that's crushing on Teslin

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Speaker 1: uh and that's trying to find her when you get home,

749
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: understand this. If you ain't coming, correct, don't come at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and feel free to post those baby or what

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Speaker 1: did you say they I'm always open to look at

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00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: those pisces just in case and tell your loved ones

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Speaker 1: and setting me hit it at my DM. So let's

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Speaker 1: not minimize those pictures. They serve right, Purpot. But this

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Speaker 1: was wonderful. Did you have any closing thoughts? Was before

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Speaker 1: we talk? This conversation really really can go all day

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00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: before we get out of here. Explain what you actually

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00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: do at reform. I know you talked about your position,

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00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: but what do you actually like? What do you actually do?

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Speaker 1: And how if they want to help like what you

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Speaker 1: guys do, how can they can they do that? If

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00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: you can just talk a little bit about where they

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00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: can get in, where they fit in what you do,

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Speaker 1: would be great. You're real quick. I'll give you the

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Speaker 1: A bridge version, right so you know my department, I'm responsible.

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00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: I help the people who help the people who need

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00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: to help, people who are coming out of out of prison.

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Speaker 1: Who are you know, projectively are going to be on supervision, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: I want to be connected with you. I want to

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Speaker 1: make sure that you get resources. I want to make

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00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: sure that your community UH support centers have resources so

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Speaker 1: that you can be connected with us. And we also

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00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: transform laws as well. That's the whole, whole another thing.

774
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: But if you want to be connected with me, Look,

775
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: you can do one of two things. If you are

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00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: incarcerated on the federal level, I want you to add

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Speaker 1: me the core links my email addresses. Mr Lewis l

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Speaker 1: Read at gmail dot com. That's Mr m R Lewis

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Speaker 1: l O U I S the letter l R E

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Speaker 1: E d at gmail dot com. Mr Lewis l Read

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. If you want your family to

782
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: be in contact with me, um, you can have them

783
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: reach out to me on any social media platform. Let

784
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: me know that you heard me on t H, heard

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00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: me and Tesla on this podcast. And I make sure

786
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: that I stay connected with them and they'll be connected

787
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: with me and we'll have a call to action. Look,

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00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: if you inspide and you've got a cell phone that

789
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: you ain't supposed to have, not that we're promoting it,

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00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: but if you got access, if you got access to

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Speaker 1: some external resources. You can simply text the word reform

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Speaker 1: to eight one four one one. Text the word reform

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00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: to eight one four one one, and you'll be connected

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00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: with us. So you've got three ways to connect with me.

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00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: A on social media any social media platforms at Louis

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Speaker 1: l Read, if you are in the federal system, at

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Speaker 1: me the core links at Mr Lewis l Read at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com, and or have you and or your

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Speaker 1: family text the word reform to eight one four one one,

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Speaker 1: and I promise you will stay connect man, this is great, Louis.

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00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you stopped by. I remember when Jay

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00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: Z and Meek Male they made the announcement of reform.

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00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: But I think people's mind is, oh, celebrities just make

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00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: announcements and then they go on. They don't realize that

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00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: there is actually people doing the work every day. I

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00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: hope you guys do more of that. I would like

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Speaker 1: to see more. You know. I know you do a lot,

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00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: and you do a lot of speaking and get but

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Speaker 1: I really would like you know. I'm on the politics side,

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Speaker 1: and I'm always challenging celebrities who get in the game

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Speaker 1: and kind of move on and don't put the resources

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Speaker 1: behind their words for the words, and I hope that

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Speaker 1: reform does even more, you know, to to let people

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Speaker 1: know that you guys are out here. And there was

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Speaker 1: another reason why I wanted people to hear, because we

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00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: hear all the time, Oh what has he done? And

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00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: what is he? You know, he hasn't done anything. There's

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Speaker 1: a real live organization that's putting in work every single day,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's important looking so so long as

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Speaker 1: I'm here, right, We're not just gonna be a real

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Speaker 1: life organization, um, but we are. We're gonna we gonna

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Speaker 1: on money where my mouth hits. Um. And we also

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Speaker 1: want to have the voices of it people who are

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Speaker 1: impacted centered right in the middle of whatever our issues are.

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Speaker 1: Nothing about us without us, that's not gonna happened on

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Speaker 1: my watch. I love it. I love it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much Louis for joining me. Mr Lewis read again.

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Speaker 1: This was brought to you by the George Floyd Foundation,

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Speaker 1: sure that we are not only just speaking out about

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Speaker 1: the importance of police reform, but also the importance of

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Speaker 1: prison reform, the importance of making sure that our laws

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Speaker 1: are in place to not lock lock us up, but

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Speaker 1: if they do lock us up, if we do find

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Speaker 1: ourselves on the other side of the table, we want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that you have the resources to get

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Speaker 1: out and not go back. So we are really trying

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