WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Candy Corn

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck, and Jerry's here too, and dates here in spirit,

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<v Speaker 1>which is appropriate because this is the kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween themed episode of short Stuff. Is it not, Chuck?

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<v Speaker 2>It's spoopy?

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<v Speaker 1>Spoopy spoopy? Is that what you said? For real?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Are you gonna do this bit every year?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember you saying it, so yes, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as I forget the next day, Yes, every year I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>This spooky sboo b y is a lighthearted spooky Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that your own trademark slogan? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Look it up?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I will look it up. Actually, I'll forget all

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<v Speaker 1>about it and won't look it up, and then next

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<v Speaker 1>year I'll agree to look it up again.

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<v Speaker 2>We should all pause. Let you look it up? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>since this is short Stuff, we'll just let the tape

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<v Speaker 2>roll right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, look there it is. Yep, you're right spoopy.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't make it up. It's a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. You know what else is the thing? Chuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Candy corn?

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<v Speaker 1>Candy corn. That's right, it is a thing. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most divisive candies. It's probably the most divisive

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<v Speaker 1>holiday candy of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do you land?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't like it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, do you like it? I mean there's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a nostalgia play. I don't. I definitely can't say that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like, oh boy, this tastes great. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait to eat it. But like if someone throws

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<v Speaker 2>a candy corn in my mouth and I happen to

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<v Speaker 2>be chewing, I'll be like, oh, that old, that old memory.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't go puh puh.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you. We need to get one of those

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<v Speaker 1>house divided license plates, right, sure. So candy corn is

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<v Speaker 1>actually super old. We know it's at least coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on one hundred and fifty years old. They think it

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<v Speaker 1>came out in the eighteen eighties. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks big time to history dot com, Better Homes and Gardens,

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<v Speaker 1>Always a Treat dot com, mb Henry dot com and

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<v Speaker 1>candystore dot com. A lot of dot coms in there.

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<v Speaker 1>But the one of the things about candycorn is its

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<v Speaker 1>origins are murky. So people just generally say, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy's the inventor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, I mean, are we going to that guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Sh No, let's talk about where it came from. Originally,

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<v Speaker 1>we think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because previous to the actual corn, they were making

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<v Speaker 2>these kinds of candies. And that's not to say the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that were shaped that way, in color that way,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're talking about mellow cream.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You know those candy pumpkins. Yeah, that's mellow cream,

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<v Speaker 1>right exactly. That to me is quintessential mellow cream, even

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<v Speaker 1>more than candycorn. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And apparently they used to make all sorts of phony

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<v Speaker 2>vegetables made out of that junk because Americans were still

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<v Speaker 2>farming and they could you know, if you had a

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<v Speaker 2>little seven year old, you could be like, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to work in the field all day. When you come home,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to get this mellow cream asparagus tip.

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<v Speaker 1>Or mellow cream back choi.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh boy.

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<v Speaker 1>You would think these little kids who were being forced

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<v Speaker 1>into child labor, the last thing they would want to

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<v Speaker 1>see in their candy were agricultural products. But apparently that's

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<v Speaker 1>all they had to choose from. Now. The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>to know about this this context that candy corn emerge

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<v Speaker 1>from is that these candies were available year round, and

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that made candy corns stand out among its

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<v Speaker 1>peers is that it had three colors, technically two colors

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<v Speaker 1>and the presence of all color.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I like that. I like the way you put it.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about the guy who actually is credited

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<v Speaker 1>with inventing this. Probably is who cares at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been credited for so long it doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he's from Philadelphia, and they like to take

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<v Speaker 2>credit for everything. So we're talking about George Renninger is

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<v Speaker 2>how I would pronounce it, or Renninger maybe, And he

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<v Speaker 2>worked at the Wonderly Candy Company in Philly, the Brotherly

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<v Speaker 2>Love City. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why he's credited is that he was

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<v Speaker 1>an employee there and they are known to be the

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<v Speaker 1>first company to start producing these, and I guess he

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<v Speaker 1>was a candy designer there. So Wonderly Candy Company was

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<v Speaker 1>the first to put these out. They were out for

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<v Speaker 1>a little while, and you could, like I said, they

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<v Speaker 1>were available year round. All of these things were, and

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't associated with Halloween. You could find them at

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<v Speaker 1>just about any celebration where they had candy treats. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing to know about them is they were so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like candy cigarettes or little candy people that

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<v Speaker 1>you eat are candy things that look like other stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what candy corn was originally meant to be. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course candy corn it's in the name, but we

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<v Speaker 1>think of it today as like little kernels of corn

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<v Speaker 1>that you would like eat. It was originally marketed as

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<v Speaker 1>candy corn in the sense that corn was chicken feed.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was basically candy chicken feed. Is how candy

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<v Speaker 1>corn started out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because apparently, and this is something that I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>This to me is the fact of the show is

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<v Speaker 2>that including a little bit after World War One, but

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<v Speaker 2>previous to that, in a few years after apparently corn

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of like a like a it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>vegetable to start right, Yes, it was a garbage starch

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<v Speaker 2>like people. It wasn't on the plates of most Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>and you had to have been really hard up for

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<v Speaker 2>food apparently to eat corn as a human.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just for chickens exactly. So this is what

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<v Speaker 1>kids were eating. They would go to the store and

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<v Speaker 1>get a box of chicken feed from the Golitz candy company.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the company that really exposed candy corn

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<v Speaker 1>to the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is I love corn. Do you like corn?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I like corn on the cob for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>once you take it off the cob, I think it's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, even in like a dish like a Lotte or

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<v Speaker 2>like a salad or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends. It really depends on the dish. But like

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<v Speaker 1>if it's canned, I mean, oh god, I can barely

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<v Speaker 1>like talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the old story of when I was missing

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<v Speaker 2>that front tooth and I would eat corn, and that

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<v Speaker 2>would be little rows of uneaten corn every like two inches.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a Mad magazine cover too. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was so candy corns out there, the genies out of

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<v Speaker 1>the bottle, as they say, kids are eating this candy

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<v Speaker 1>chicken feed. But then by like the mid twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 1>people ate corn normally, and by the mid twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween was very much associated with candy. I think around

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<v Speaker 1>this time is when candy corn really became linked to Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be weird to see candy corn at Easter,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's how it used to be. Friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but now it's linked starting in the mid twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, to Halloween, and we will take a break, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk about how you make this stuff right

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<v Speaker 2>after this all right. You went to that website alwaysatreat

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<v Speaker 2>dot com and they had a pretty good story there

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<v Speaker 2>about how they used to manufacture this, and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot different than they do it today. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it's automated today, but back then, you would get a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of dudes and they would get sugar in corn

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<v Speaker 2>syrup and some other you know, magical ingredients, and they

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<v Speaker 2>would cook it and these big kettles and boil it

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<v Speaker 2>all up. They would ad a little marshmallow, maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>little fond it to smooth it out a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>and forty five pounds at a time they would make

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<v Speaker 2>this warm slurry and they would pour it into buckets

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<v Speaker 2>called runners, and then these guys called stringers would walk

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<v Speaker 2>backwards down a line and pour this candy into these

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<v Speaker 2>little little molds, these little trays in that classic iconic

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<v Speaker 2>kernel shape.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the trays were made of corn starch, and

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<v Speaker 1>it would take three passes. For some reason, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand why the stringers, the guys pouring the candy corn

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<v Speaker 1>slurry into the mold, would walk backwards, do you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know. I was trying to think it

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<v Speaker 2>might be easier to pour I mean it was probably

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<v Speaker 2>had something to do with the setup.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I could understand if you're left handed you're

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<v Speaker 1>walking backwards, but or if you're right handed, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think right handed you'd be walking backwards if the thing

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<v Speaker 1>was on your left. There's no explanation I can find

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<v Speaker 1>for why they would walk backwards.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they are from Philly, so maybe they were just

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<v Speaker 2>like we're candy corn stringers, we walk backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably that's the answer is as good as any.

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<v Speaker 1>But the whole thing is that we would take three

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<v Speaker 1>passes because they would put the white in, then the yellow,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the orange. And that's how it was originally made.

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<v Speaker 1>And basically nothing has changed except, like you said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>become automated. They use essentially the same ingredients, which are

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<v Speaker 1>you ready for this? It's like you said, made with sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>It's made with fondon, which is sugar water and corn syrup.

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<v Speaker 1>It's made with corn syrup, which is a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of different sugars, mostly glucose, vanilla flavoring, and marshmallow cream

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<v Speaker 1>which is made from corn syrup, sugar water and eggs.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of sugar in these things, and they

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<v Speaker 1>alt them into a slurry, all those ingredients and they

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<v Speaker 1>pour them into corn cornstarch molds just like they did

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred something years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Boom, boom boom. They just layer up the colors

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<v Speaker 2>just like that. More than and this is according to

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<v Speaker 2>the National Confectioners Association. The NCAA says thirty five million

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<v Speaker 2>pounds of this stuff, which amounts to nine billion pieces

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<v Speaker 2>of candy corn, are produced annually in modern times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and even in keeping in tradition, they make the

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<v Speaker 1>machines work backward for some reason when they're pouring the slurry.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, And are we done? Of course not, because

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<v Speaker 2>somehow you found actual survey statistics on how popular this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because there's a thing. It's been around for almost

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty years for a reason, and the

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<v Speaker 1>reason is there's some people out there who actually like

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<v Speaker 1>candy corn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it's weird. It's a weird thing to say,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's true. So much so that the National Retail

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<v Speaker 1>Iteration a font of statistics that have to do with shopping,

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<v Speaker 1>purchasing and consumerism in general, so that in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five percent of people who shopped for Halloween stuff

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<v Speaker 1>bought candy corn one of them. I wasn't either. We're

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<v Speaker 1>in that weird five percent, but I can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is is, I don't think all those people

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<v Speaker 1>are eating candy corn necessarily. No.

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<v Speaker 2>And it turns out if you go on to crafty websites,

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<v Speaker 2>there are all kinds of fun little crafts you can

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<v Speaker 2>do with candy corn because it is a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the color itself lends itself to sort of fall feelings

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<v Speaker 2>and fall crafts, so you can do all kinds of stuff. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>you can hot glue it on whatever you want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically. Yeah, I saw a cute one. I can't remember where,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you spike a pumpkin, you can make a

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<v Speaker 1>little candy corn pumpkin hedgehog. Ah. That's cute, that's adorable. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I found some more stats too, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, let's hear it, like, oh, I don't know where's

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<v Speaker 2>it popular?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, candystore dot Com looked over sixteen years of their

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<v Speaker 1>shipping data. That's amazing to identify the top three favorite

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<v Speaker 1>candies for each state, and candy corn was in the

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<v Speaker 1>top three. It was not the first for any state,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was in the top three for a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of different states, from South Carolina to Maine to North

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<v Speaker 1>Dakota to Michigan to New York, and then nationwide it

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<v Speaker 1>was number eight.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing, and we should thank Leslie, the temp at

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<v Speaker 2>candystore dot Com that month, who they tasked with doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right for sure? Or Leslie?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, poor Leslie, that's a right. Probably wouldn't a bad job,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. They also did a poll, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>Leslie was in charge of this too, because did they

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<v Speaker 2>pull three thousand people.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty two hundred and forty seven they pour?

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<v Speaker 2>Did they pull thirty five hundred?

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<v Speaker 1>Nope?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they pulled everyone that they had their email

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<v Speaker 2>contact for, which was like you said, three two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and four, and they said that do you like it?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you hate it? Why? And nostalgia, which is what

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that was one of the big reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>people get this stuff. It's something they had when they

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<v Speaker 2>were a kid that they might have liked the taste

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<v Speaker 2>of when they were a kid, and then as adults

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<v Speaker 2>they'll say, well, you know, I gotta I gotta be

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<v Speaker 2>in that fall spirit and let's let's grab a bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then sweetness was another one for people who

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<v Speaker 1>like candy corn, and then conversely, sweetness was a big

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<v Speaker 1>reason people don't like candy corn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the respondents that it was like biting into

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<v Speaker 1>a sugar cube, and that's pretty close to accurate. There's

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<v Speaker 1>also the waxy texture that puts some people off, including me.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually don't mind that part. Yeah, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what though, I haven't had one in years, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>an unforgettable flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have had it. I can bring that flavor

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<v Speaker 1>to mine too, I just I don't want it again.

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<v Speaker 2>Essentially, Yeah, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And overall though, out of that thirty two and forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven Americans, they pulled fifty six percent we're fans and

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<v Speaker 1>forty four percent were not. So that there are more people,

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<v Speaker 1>at least according to that pole, who like candy corn

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<v Speaker 1>than don't.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. And if you thought it couldn't get any

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<v Speaker 2>better everybody, Leslie drilled down even further and found out

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<v Speaker 2>how people how people eat them. Fifty one percent just

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<v Speaker 2>pop it in their mouth and crunch it like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of popcorn. Normal sixteen percent start with the

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<v Speaker 2>widest bit, which is the yellow bit, and then thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three percent conversely flip it over and start at that little,

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<v Speaker 2>smaller white end, Which is amazing to me that someone

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<v Speaker 2>actually takes that tiny of a bite of something that small.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some people like that tiny, little white as if

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<v Speaker 1>it tastes any different, right, it definitely does not. It

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<v Speaker 1>should know. If it does, you might want to take

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<v Speaker 1>it back to the store because there's something wrong with.

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<v Speaker 2>The che corn. Yeah, this white part tastes good.

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<v Speaker 1>You got anything else?

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<v Speaker 2>I got nothing else.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're getting close to Halloween, everybody, which means short

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is out.

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