WEBVTT - The Long Game with Danny G 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:05.360 Ka boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:09.200 a week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.480 of the old republic a sole fashion of fairness. He 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.480 treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.600 rich pill poppers in the penthouse to clearing house of 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.439 hot takes, break free for something special. The Fifth Hour 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:30.280 with Ben Maller starts right now. Everywhere. Welcome into the 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:35.920 Friday Friday edition of the Fifth Hour with me Ben Maller, 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:40.879 flying solo today. It's Friday, Friday Friday. Because four hours 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.280 a night are not enough. On the overnight eight days 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.840 a week, eight days a week. We do this show 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.680 from the Mallard Podcast studio at a secret location somewhere 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:56.520 deep in the north Woods. And we thank you for 0:00:56.560 --> 0:01:00.640 supporting the overnight show and finding this podcast. Tell a friend, 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:02.920 word of mouth. We have no advertising budget. You will 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:08.520 see no billboard, you will see no television commercial. There 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:11.440 will be no radio commercial for the Fifth Hour with 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.880 Ben Mallord podcast. The only advertising we have is word 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:20.400 of mouth advertising. Other than moving man Matt, who's got 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.840 the Mallard logo on the back of his big rig. 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:29.200 Outside of that, uh there's no no real advertising. Maybe 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.720 there's a few feud of food i'ms but nothing, nothing massive, 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:37.760 nothing massive. So on the podcast this week, we've talked 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:44.600 to professional athletes, we have talked to random figures, some politically. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.040 We had a chef on the podcast. But we are 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.800 going to go back, way back in the history of 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.640 the Ben Mallor Show to another one of my radio friends. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.280 So far back that this guy made a surprising appearance 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:06.520 on our show, Danny G. Radio. He returned that Cooper 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.000 Loop was away, took a couple of days off, was 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:14.320 in Vegas and Danny G, who was my engineer slash 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.920 producer for a number of years on the Overnight Show. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.919 After Jake Warner left. We had Jacon a couple of 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.799 weeks back, and so we had Danny G fill in 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:28.520 for Cooper Loop, and I thought, you know, let's we 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:32.240 didn't give Danny enough time. We had Tinderroni tips. We 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:36.360 brought tinder Rooni tips back, but still a little deeper dive. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.200 And Danny has had a very interesting life in radio. 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.880 He's actually been in the radio business. He started a 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.520 younger age then I did. I started when I was nineteen. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.280 Danny was still in high school when he started on radio. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:55.240 He made the the plunge, the leap frog from music 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.040 radio to sports talk radio. And I had a great 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.120 time working with Dan any on the show. We had 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.359 a lot of fun in those days. We hung out 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.400 together at a minor league baseball game. Some of the 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.119 some of the things we did off the air, occasionally 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.040 ugly sweater parties and things like that that popped up. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.720 But let's give it up now for the man, the myth, 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:24.240 the legend, the great Danny g Radio back on with 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.200 us here this week he was on the radio show. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.880 Now he's on the podcast, and so Danny, let's cut 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:32.680 right to the chase here. How weird was it for you? 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.720 How odd was it to be back on the Ben 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:43.040 Mallard Show after several years away? You know, frightfully, it 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:47.840 was actually not weird to be back at all. I like, well, 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.480 it felt like a time machine a little bit because 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.160 some of the same regular Mallard militia members were calling 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.200 the show, so in a way I felt right at 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.520 home like I had never left. It was a little weird, though, 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.920 because my legs were aching as I walked into the 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.600 studio because of some long work days recently, so maybe 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.160 I feel a little older, but uh, mentally it was 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:14.400 good and the show was really fun and entertaining as usual. Yeah, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.120 it was great to have you back, Danny. I I 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.520 I was. I was pleasantly surprised. I knew Coop was 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.120 going to take a couple of days off to go 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.479 to Vegas and then to have you back back in 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.479 the saddle again. How many I'm very bad at dates, Danny, 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.440 I'm very bad at days. How many years ago? You 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.440 were with Clay for a while. When when was your 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.760 last time on our show, Because it's been at least 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.760 two or three years, right, it's been maybe longer than that. Yeah, 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:45.680 there's there was a little bit of overlap between the 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.919 two shows, so I think that's why the math is 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.359 confusing for myself as well. But I started with you 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:57.360 at the end of and obviously back then the Date 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:01.640 Break guys were still on, so I would produce your 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:06.080 show and then co produce the Daybreak fellas. And then 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:10.200 obviously when Clay came aboard, which I guess was that's 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.599 when I was working on your show and his, and 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.400 then I moved to his time slot to be the 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:22.120 executive producer. I guess it was when that happened. Alright, 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.839 So but that's three years ago. Now that's it's time. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.640 It's time flying by for you, as it is me 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.080 as I I don't think I'm that old, but then 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.919 I realized, my god, I'm becoming old. What happened? Time 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.000 flies when you're not part of a union and you're 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:42.080 getting screwed left and right. Yeah, you ain't kid moment. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:46.760 You ain't kid moment. It's uh. It is an interesting, wacky, 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.520 wacky world, man, And I especially just the radio life 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.719 in general, you know, just like the daily radio thing. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.560 But I think that's true probably for any job. I 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.599 don't know that it's any different in a different, different 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.560 gig than radio. But you've been in radio your whole 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:08.120 life too, so you know, you know the daily grind 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.680 and what that's like, and it's a it's a weird thing. 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.039 But I wanted to ask you about going from the 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.640 Overnight show. We do things a little goofy on the Overnight, 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.000 as you know, Danny, because you were part of the 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.760 show for so many years, and then you work with 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.919 Clay and Clay's a sports guy, but he's also a 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:27.480 political guy. And how weird was that when you know, 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.040 you know, Clay's ending up as a topic of conversation 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.360 on CNN or something like that, and you're working with 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.400 him and you know, some polarizing story and Clay's right 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.239 in the middle of it and you're in that world. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.400 What was that like for you? It definitely was a 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.640 little bit of an adjustment period, although I kind of 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:51.920 went in knowing, uh, some of the ramifications, if you will, 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.800 of being um, you know, so well tied to a 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.960 program like that. In fact, when I interviewed too officially 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.400 get that, executive production gig our boss Scott Shapiro told 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.800 me he was like, hey, you know, whatever Clay's big 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.480 opinion is on something, especially if it means political, you're 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.480 gonna kind of be dragged into that and people are 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.760 gonna assume you feel the same exact way. Are you 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.480 okay with that? And you know, really I didn't have 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.560 a problem with that because I did get to speak, uh, 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.720 you know, somewhat as a co host on that show. 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.520 So if I disagreed with Clay the same way when 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.000 I was on your show, if I disagreed, I got 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:33.880 to say something about it, and I got to tell 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.840 him that I disagreed. So you know, I was fine 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.080 if some average casual listener would just assume something then 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.520 you know whatever, that's on them. But are regular listeners, 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.440 which we have a lot of, they kind of know 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:48.800 all the different personalities and they don't think we're all 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.600 the same robot. Yeah. Well, but there's also those you know, 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.360 as you you know, there's those vultures out there that 0:07:55.560 --> 0:08:00.160 are just looking for anything they can you know, they 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.920 can blow up on that, you know, social media, anything 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.320 you say, especially on a show like that, they just 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.000 they just run with it and and make it much 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.760 bigger than it is. And that's one thing that the 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.680 difference between like sports for me and political and the 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.280 last couple of years we've had to dabble in that world, 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.480 even on on the Overnight Show. But the difference is 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.840 the amount of victriol. Like we have a lot of 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:25.880 sports hate and people get upset because you have a 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.880 bad sports opinion. But political, I mean that is a 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.240 personal assault, Danny g Right, I mean, that's a that 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.720 is just they want to rip your guts out because 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.840 you had an opinion that does not fit with their 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:43.480 ideology or their dogma or whatever. And it's pretty pretty crazy. 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.800 What was the coolest thing that happened? Was it the 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.120 Trump thing where you got to talk to a sitting 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.319 president as a producer of of Clay show and is 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.960 working on that show. Yeah, I would say that the 0:08:56.080 --> 0:09:01.439 two most memorable guests were the India most famous tiger hunter, 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.959 which Clay gave us a challenge on the air because 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.800 there was a big story that went viral about this 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.880 guy in India who was hired by their government to 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:16.040 kill the you know, the biggest threats there in their 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:20.439 country as far as the man eating lions, tigers, lions, jaguars, 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.560 whatever they were dealing with there that were, you know, 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:27.160 the animals terrorizing villages there, and this guy, uh there. 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.640 There were some magazine outlets and websites to his stories 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.240 on this guy because he was so interesting, and Clay 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.840 read a story about him on one of our animal 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.079 thunderdomes and he gave us a challenge. He's like, any 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.439 of you in l a back in Nashville and anyone 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.080 producing this show, if any of you can track this 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.280 guy down and actually get him on my show, you 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.800 know you're gonna get a major reward. And he kind 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.439 of laughed, and you think in a way. He was 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.720 joking because he didn't think we could actually track this 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.560 guy down in India. But one thing about me, and 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.680 you know us, because we've worked together a long time, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.800 I'm pretty competitive. Uh. If somebody gives me a challenge, 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.800 I'm gonna go all out to try to meet that challenge. 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:14.520 So I immediately started researching, you know, the Internet, finding 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.000 out who this guy was, who his management was, what 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.000 kind of phone numbers there was. I I tracked it 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.800 down within an hour. I found a website that this 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:27.000 guy was attached to. Within the second hour of the show, 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:31.200 I found his uh, his field manager in India, and 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.120 by the end of that day's show, I was talking 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.440 to his manager through email. By the next day on 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.400 the program, I was able to get him on us. Uh, 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.920 they're one of their SAT phones out there in India. 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.479 And he got on the air with Clay that day. 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.000 And as if that wasn't cool enough, this guy was 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:54.120 an amazing interview of his His accent kind of sealed 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.480 the deal. But he was just super entertaining and all 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.880 the information he was giving us about the guns he carried, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.079 what kind of AMMO, his kills in the past, and 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.840 what he was doing out there was just so amazing 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.960 it it literally rocks Twitter to the point where I 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.760 could not keep up with the mentions. And you know 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.520 that's for you. You have so many hundreds of thousands 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.360 of listeners and followers that you've probably done this in 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.080 the past in your career where you did something kind 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.280 of controversial or you had to take that really exploded. 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.880 But being a producer, it's not every day where you 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.320 get so many notifications about something you did that you 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.840 can't keep up with all the mentions. Yeah, that's cool, 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.000 I actually remember that. And uh, I did I love 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.760 the animal Thunderdome that that they did on you guys 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:49.080 did on that show. And animals one thing I've noticed 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.640 from years in radio. People love stories about animals. They 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.720 love that, right, It's especially when death is involved. Yeah, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.520 when you make death and wild animals. And it is 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.640 crazy when you go to you know here in the 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.199 in the South, when you go to Florida or South 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.320 Carolina or somewhere like that, and you know, these these 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:12.240 massive dinosaurs, these alligators walking around, you know, amongst us 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.520 and things like that. But and then you know, outside 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.800 of America, as you guys on that show with all 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.760 the wild animal stories with tigers and hippos and you 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.400 name it. It's it's pretty pretty crazy, man. What was 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.800 the crazy was that? That was the greatest. Guess what 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.040 was the craziest animal story that you dug up? Did 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:31.839 you remember off the top of your It? Is there 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.200 one that stands out? There is? Yeah, one a couple 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:39.080 of years ago. If it happened in Alaska, and it 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.880 was actually a guy who was known for composing albums 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:48.520 with nature sounds, and he had an assistant too that 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.079 would go out to the field with him and they 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.560 would camp and he would set up his audio gear 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:59.880 and he would record nature sounds and he unfortunately was 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.120 was dragged out of his tent or there. There was 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.400 controversy surrounding what exactly happened to this guy and how 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:11.760 a bear was able to get them and um, and 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.920 so there were different stories that were At first it 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.439 was two assistants with them, and then it was only one. 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:21.480 Nothing happened to the assistance only he died. So we 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.920 were like, well, how did they not hear him being 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:25.840 dragged out of his tent? You know what I mean? 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:31.560 And and so I actually contacted their their version of 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.240 CNN out out and so that, you know what, not Alaska, 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.120 my bad, this was Canada. So I I actually got 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.680 ahold of their version of CNN out there and was 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.000 was able to talk to a reporter that was covering 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.000 the story, and you know what, she was tight lipped 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.000 about it too. She it was kind of like you 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:54.079 pesky Americans, you don't believe what we're reporting. And Clay 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.320 had lots of questions about the story because it didn't 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.040 add up, It didn't make a lot of sense the 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.920 way it was being reported. So we spent a good 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.680 week or two kind of keeping track of that story 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:09.040 and the moves surrounding it. And um, that one really 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.720 stands out because to this day, I still have not 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:16.160 gotten a straight answer from that reporter the TV station. 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.880 I talked to all the people we got in contact with, 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.600 and I think that that was one of the intriguing 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.640 things about the animal Thunderdome and still is is you 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.240 you want more details? Uh? You know, nowadays reporting is 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.960 not what it used to be, so you'll, you know, 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.000 you'll sometimes see stories where you still have a lot 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:40.200 of questions after you read the article. Yeah, yeah, well exactly, 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.600 because it's not about detail. The attention span they've determined 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.720 years ago, and and when I was doing Ben Mallard 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.400 dot com in those old days, and and just putting 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.920 little blurbs up. And it's even worse now because of 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.000 social media. Like you just you don't read anything more 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:00.280 than at the most two paragraphs on any story. There's 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.600 really no point in if you're in that business of 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.320 publishing stuff, why are you gonna why are you going 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.680 to publish a long story when it's not gonna be 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.320 read other than the first couple of paragraphs. People just 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.560 want bullet points. But you but you are obviously right, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.960 I mean you want yeah, occasionally want more information. They 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.320 copy and paste then, Like there were times where a 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.000 news outlet would get something wrong. Later we'd find out 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.840 what really happened, or we see a better written article. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:30.680 But so many of the outlets ran with the first 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.560 thing that was reported that they just copy and pasted, 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.520 and they never even um, you know, they never even 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:40.640 went back and corrected what they reported. And you see 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.040 a lot of that nowadays. Yeah. Absolutely, And but part 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.920 of the deal also is it's the echo chamber, right, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.400 It's not. There's only here's the way I look at it. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.280 Social media. There's only a few people creating original content, 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:58.160 and then there's just a lot of people repeating, you know, 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.880 the echo chamber, repeating the same stuff off, repackaging it 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.680 and putting it all over the place. And so that's 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.440 it seems like there's a lot more possibilities to get content, 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.640 but a lot of it's just the same stuff regurgitated 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.720 and all that. I got an email from Yo Yo 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:17.480 mob Benny. He said the headline, this is Barry. Barry's 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.040 in Nashville. He's a huge fan of yours. Then he 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:24.160 wanted you on this podcast and he wanted he had 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.120 some questions that he wanted and I'm Barry has been 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.040 a big fan of the Overnight Show for a while, 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:32.960 and so he wanted it all like like a little 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.520 behind the scenes inside radio stuff. So you're working for 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.800 Clay Rush. Limbaugh is sick. Rushi had been sick for 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:44.200 several years. He had been in poor health, diagnosed with cancer. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:49.480 And then Russ Rush ends up passing away. And so Clay, 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.400 Clay's in the running to get the gig, and you're 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.480 working on Clay show. He's doing a sports show. So 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.640 what's going on behind the scenes. How soon did you 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.560 know that Clay was getting the the Rush Limbough job, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.800 and uh, you know, also, were you in the running 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.280 to go and work on that and just leave and 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:13.320 do political stuff. Yeah, Well, to answer the first part 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:16.199 of that question, I didn't know much about what was 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.560 going on behind the scenes because at that time, there 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.439 were a lot of other things also happening simultaneously. Clay 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:28.600 had just sold his website, OutKick dot Com to Fox Corporation, 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.359 and so while all that was, that was kind of 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.800 at the forefront, and we were dealing with what was 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.360 going on with that, and Clay was adjusting his schedule 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.719 slightly to kind of, you know, make all that happen. 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.159 And as I was dealing with that, that's when I 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:49.399 got the news about, you know, him not returning to 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:54.360 Fox Sports Radio Network, and so it you know, it 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.920 was pretty sudden, um. But the explanation that was given 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.960 to me by our bosses was that they didn't want 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.840 to tell anyone, not even his producers, until his ink 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.760 was dry on the contract, because the way it was 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.679 explained to me is he obviously is good at talking politics, 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.960 but he wanted to stay in the sports world because 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.760 that's where all his stories originated and at heart, he's 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.000 a sports guy. But you know, they were able to 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.840 convince him that he could do even more of what 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.399 he wanted to do with a slightly larger audience if 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:31.720 he took over um or half took over Russia limboss chair. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.320 So you know that's kind of how that all shook out. Um. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.439 The timing was crazy with all of it, because, like 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.919 I said, so many different things we're already happening behind 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.600 the scenes. But once he decided, Okay, you know, I'm 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:48.480 gonna go ahead and do it, um man, it it 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.520 was like the next day, Hey, this is gonna be 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.000 the final show. So I sped over to the studios 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.280 and I put the best of together where I dug 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.639 back years and years to some of the highlights of 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.199 the show, and I worked an all night or uh 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.359 leading into his program um so that I had something 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.600 to play at the end of his show to say goodbye. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.680 It was super quick, such a quick turnaround, and then 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.840 you know, I was told by the bosses, Hey, we're 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.720 gonna have you in place right now. Uh we either way, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.399 you were a rock star for Clay. We need you 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.199 to do that again for the next show that's going 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:26.879 to try out and in my conversations with Clay, you 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.480 know he he obviously um, him and Buck Sexton took 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.240 over Russia's show. But the Rush Limbough show was already 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.639 in place as far as the producers and the phone 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.080 screener and the the guys back at their New York 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.000 studio and then what they set up in Nashville. It 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.600 wasn't like it was a brand new show from scratch 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.800 that Clay was, you know, the only person in charge 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:50.159 of so AY. I would have had to live in 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.359 New York or Nashville and be I do sports radio. 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.440 I I I gotta tell you. I mean, I don't 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.480 mind when politics get gets mixed in the sports a 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.200 little bit, especially if you open it up for everybody 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.800 to give their opinions about it. But as far as 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.320 doing political radio every day, um and and maybe you'd 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.560 agree with me on this, I don't know if I 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.720 could do that. I I love sports stories. I love sports. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.000 I don't wake up every morning and check out what's 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:22.320 going on with Democrats and Republicans and party stuff on 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.000 either side. That's that's just not me. I I wake 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.080 up every morning and I checked sports scores and stats 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.119 and stories. So I'm a sports guy. Number one, it 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:35.920 would be really hard for me to do politics every day. Yeah, 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.760 you know it's always if the check was big enough, right, 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:40.840 if the check was big enough, you would you would 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:43.760 do it. But yeah, I love not for me, not 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.159 for me. But then, honestly, I've made good money in radio. 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.040 And I know that's kind of funny to say that 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.719 because we've we've both done this a long time, and 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:57.600 we hear horror stories about radio guys who died broke 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.920 uh and we've also you and I have met Steve 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.560 Harvey and other guys who have gotten rich from radio. 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.439 Uh And, and you and I met Rush Limbaugh that 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.080 morning because he used to work right across the hall 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.359 from us whenever he was in l A. Well, actually 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.400 I did not. I was. I have run of Russia's 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:18.840 pens because I got one of his pens, but I 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:21.679 I missed Russia. And and we for those that haven't 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.479 heard past podcast, we've told the story working Fox Sports 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.440 Radio is that the premier networks studios in l A. 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:32.440 And and I've been lucky enough to work there for 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:34.760 a long time, with the exception of six months in 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:39.160 twenty six days, and when Rush would come in it 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.439 was unreal. They'd roll out literally the red carpet he has. 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:46.040 He had his own studio right across from the Fox 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.600 Sports radio studios. He you know, they and he'd only 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:51.800 be in l A maybe once or twice a year, 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:57.520 and his whole professional better studio than we have, and uh, 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.520 you know, we're there, you know, three five days a year, 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.800 pre COVID and uh yeah, and it was it was crazy, 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:08.280 and it's just everyone was on their best behavior and 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:11.440 it was like everything was planned out when Rush would 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.640 get there. But yeah, it's been pretty cool. We've met 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.280 some really need people over the years. I remember the 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.800 old days. I had a chance at one of the 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.280 Christmas parties back when we had Christmas parties to meet 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:25.520 Art Bell was there, Matt Drudge did a show for Premier, 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:30.040 met him and Dr Laura And these are some big 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:32.600 radio stars. If you're a radio nerd like us, Danny, 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:36.120 these are big names and radio right to be able 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.040 to schmooze with these radio people. And Jim Rome was 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:42.080 working for the company at the time and and all that, 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.240 and so uh A lot of people have also asked, Danny, 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.400 I mean, where are you at right now? Obviously you're 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:49.440