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Speaker 1: Lloyd Holly is a national expert on mules. He's been raising, training,

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Speaker 1: to do with dogs. So we're at the Hollywood Mule Farm. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Mr Lloyd Holly and I got Colby

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Speaker 1: June morning, isn't it, Mr Lloyd? Yes it is. We

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Speaker 1: we've been fortunate in some ways. She had a lot

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Speaker 1: later on in hot summer. Yes, yes, well it's kind

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Speaker 1: So you have been in the mule business for how long?

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Speaker 1: do with Hollywood mule farms. Well, I could say I

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Speaker 1: how I guess? Well, there's more just a par part

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Speaker 1: horse or gal. Mules haven't done that by the mere

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00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: fact that nine of your mule writers are rebels. Rentengage,

427
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, kind of independence, you know, and you don't.

428
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't like to be told what to do and

429
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And in some extent you've got to

430
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: be have some of that to deal with your mule,

431
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 1: because they'll they'll put back in your face if if

432
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: you don't have some bit of aggressiveness to you, then

433
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: they'll take advantage of you. And not you can't get

434
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: a lot done with them, but you've got to cut

435
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: a lot of compromising. And eighty or nine percent of

436
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: the people that owned mules have never made them do anything.

437
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: They've trained them to do this in that, but comprise

438
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: with it gets too much, we can't handle it. Then

439
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: they're working somewhere else. Yeah, it's likely what was on Traver.

440
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: I had one. I'm gonna this. Lady had this horse,

441
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: and everybody been bragging on how good he was. Well

442
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: we come to this little wasn't even creek stream. It

443
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: was just wide ditch, had the water running in it,

444
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: and everybody had about twenty on the ride, and everybody's

445
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: animals just went right across it except hers. And he

446
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: just come right up there and and right what she should.

447
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: She spurred him just a little bitter, tapped him on

448
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: the butt with the range or whatever. He went right across,

449
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: But she didn't. She she'd encourage him right up to

450
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: the point he got there, and then she'd take all

451
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: the pressure of So he just turned around and walking.

452
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: He wasn't trying to run away or anything. She'd get

453
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: him back over there, and finally she got off and

454
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: led him across the water. Of course, got her boots

455
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: at bubber boots. You know. Well she got him across

456
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: the water all right, But it wasn't anyway. The horse

457
00:28:52,520 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: one she didn't teach you. Yeah, So like with going

458
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: back to the looks of a mule. Okay, so you

459
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: said because mule people are the certain the way they are,

460
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: which I want to get back to because I've heard

461
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: other people say that, um, and I'm trying to figure

462
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: out why I like mules, So this may tell me

463
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: something about myself that I don't know and why Colby

464
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: likes mules. But you, uh, now I know Kobe's a rebel,

465
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: so we already know that. Yeah, you missed it, he said.

466
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: He said that mule people are usually rebels at heart, okay, renegades. Yeah,

467
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: they gotta have it in them too, Uh, they gotta

468
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: have it in them to be able to deal with

469
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: deal with their animals. So what characteristics are you looking

470
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: for them? I mean, like like with height, or with

471
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: build or with I mean like, can you describe the

472
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: perfect mule for you, even just for you? What's a

473
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: What's a perfect mule in terms of height? Color? I

474
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: like for my prayer self, for personally, I like a

475
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: fourteen two animal fourteen to that rides fourteen to how

476
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: many inches is that? That's fifty inches fifty eight inches

477
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: to the withers, which is where the hair of the

478
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: main meets the back basically is the highest point of

479
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: the Withers scapula, the highest point of it measure from

480
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: the ground. But some animals ride bigger than others. You've

481
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: wrote a lot of fifty four or fifty meals, and

482
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: road just bigguse of fifty eight, I see, And it

483
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: may be a little hard to explain. But the more

484
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: hard to go that just road bigger. Yeah, and I've

485
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: had some fifteen fifteen two meals bigger. Generally, the bigger

486
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: to get to the laser they get. The harder is

487
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: for him to move and to get more drafty, if

488
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: you will. Yes, the more always like a little refinement,

489
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: little smoothness to my mules and bary you get them.

490
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: The harder this to get that. And it's the shame

491
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: that in the last ten years, more and more of

492
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: the donkey breeders or breathing for size, you know, not

493
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: how it looks. It's he is the fifteen hands tallers,

494
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: he's sixteen hand tallers, he's seventeen hands tall. And the

495
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: donkeys I'm talking about, well, if you breath to one

496
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: of those, ma'am with Jack's, you're gonna get a colt

497
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: to resemble some It's gonna get the big mule that's

498
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: on the average is lazy, uncoordinated and looks like if

499
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: you put together by a committee. And so you know

500
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: you just not my type of mule. But do you

501
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: need to take them linked to an actor? What I

502
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: sit on the mule, the type of ear they have,

503
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: how much withers they have or don't have, probably sending

504
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: five percent of your mules are like a donkey. They're

505
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: straight back. Yeah, so when the straight is a string,

506
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: but they don't have any shoulder muscle to hold your saddleback. Okay,

507
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: So I like the meal with a little shoulder to him. Okay.

508
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: And then if you you get what's your legs should

509
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: all four squared up with your legs in front front legs.

510
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: You're usually pretty square on the meal, but the back

511
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: winds are not take the hip structure of a donkey.

512
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: It's back. When they stand it what they call it

513
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: camp out and rear understand with their feetback okay, like

514
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: out wide, well generally wider than the normal stands. Yes, okay,

515
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: we'll not there propping up yourself so they don't fall down.

516
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: I see. Then someone passes on to the mule. If

517
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: you ever recognize what it is you what's your door

518
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: home life? Take his straight or forward? Ten mules running

519
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: around the pasture. You could really tell it then because

520
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: there's arch legs are back and they can get collected, okay,

521
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: like a horse. So they don't it's running like a donkey.

522
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: They're a little short gat to have. You know when

523
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: they're running a donkey. They're camped out in the rear

524
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 1: most of them. And they don't take longer strides. Okay,

525
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: take a reining horse or cutting horse, uh, barrel horse,

526
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: anything extra speed in the movements. They had to be

527
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: collected to do it properly. Take a change the leads.

528
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: You're galloping me around the read and you take it

529
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: across the vile and ask them to change leads. He's

530
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: got to get collected to do that. And if he's

531
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: camped out in the rear end, it's almost impossible. I see.

532
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: They got to drop down to trot one trot, change

533
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: leads and go back into a canter. So they need

534
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: that wide stamps to be able to do that or that,

535
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: or well not so much wide stands. That's just that's

536
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: just it's standing. They need your hips, whole hip structure

537
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: to turn like this so they can get the rear

538
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: feet up undram They might gallop. A meal might overstride

539
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: say two ft, whereas the horse was tried and maybe ten.

540
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: So they've gotta be just the structure limits and a

541
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: lot of decent movements. You're just trail righting the average meal.

542
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: You don't don't notice a meal. They don't affect your

543
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: trail riding that you know of that you can tell.

544
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: But if you go try and do something with him

545
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: and understand what makes you move this way or trying

546
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: to make a move that way, and ever ever hand

547
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: while we roach been right or left handed, so we've

548
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: got to learn which one is your favorite leg and

549
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: right how to make them work on the other one

550
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: in general, if you were if we're again going back

551
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: to this question of mules and horses, like a tell

552
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: me if this is right, this is the way that

553
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: I've described it in the past, isn't is a horse

554
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: is probably gonna be maybe faster and maybe a little

555
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: bit smoother ride than a mule, but a mule is

556
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: going to be safer, more sure footed, and do better

557
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: in rougher country. Is that a fair assessment? Accepting that

558
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: you told me it's gonna be a better ride. Or

559
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: disagree with that? Okay, because you take if you watch you,

560
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: if you watch a horse walk, they do right front

561
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: and left career on the ground to walk. Then you

562
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: do the left front, right rear. Well, it's the same

563
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: link to stride on each movement to each cycle. But

564
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: a mule would have a little more paces. There's the

565
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: ways feet go. Just moves a little bit different. It's

566
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: not much, but it doesn't take much to make a

567
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: difference in the ride. Gives you a lot better ride

568
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: than a horse. Oh really, So you think a mule

569
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: can have a smoother just walking ride than a horse

570
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: hole nearly every time? Really? Okay? Okay, huh. And then

571
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: you gotta watch on you when you're breathing. M says,

572
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: if you're picking the brewd mirror, you're going one with

573
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: a long slope to the shoulder because the donkey is

574
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: a steep shoulder and they don't extend. They can't extend,

575
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: I say, but it's in its on. On the other hand,

576
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: it's that are the donkey's gate, not these big big

577
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: checks and stuff, but an averageized fifty four in to

578
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: donkey the gate that to him is really more favorable

579
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: to packing the donkey is you have, then you move

580
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: up to a mule and they're more donky is better

581
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: than the mule, and mules better than the horse. And

582
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: because it's a movement, it's so smoother it doun't ruffle back. Okay, okay,

583
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: And that's that's great info right there. So because of

584
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: the structural and straightness of their back there well, and

585
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: there their stripe, that's what you're saying. At the movement,

586
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: their movement there. That's why they're great pack animals because

587
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: it's not jostling the pack. That's part of it. The

588
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: other reason they meant good pack animals just their natural

589
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: born followers. Okay, if you're on a geriality, go to

590
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: patential people, go to leave. They don't want to be

591
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: first to follow you anywhere, but they takes a little

592
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: better trained, a little more independent builder. I want to

593
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: be out in the front. Okay, that even more than

594
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: a horse. Really, why do you think that is? Because

595
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: they're half donkey and a donkey just a born follower. Okay,

596
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: you can watch you and I used to have twenty

597
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: gennies out there in that pasture one pasture and had

598
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: a water nice water through their forum, and they'd have

599
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: had three dust rolls bowls if it's not a hole

600
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: in the ground where they can go down and roll

601
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: or make one and then you can see him. That

602
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: was your pa had a pattern every day they go

603
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: to one dust bowl rolling and they grazed, and then

604
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: in single file to go to the new water trough,

605
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: and in single file they go to the next dust bowl.

606
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: They didn't know horses nottense to do that. They get around,

607
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: maybe some of them kicks up, runs around. Donkeys are

608
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: just leve together. So that's why they make good trail

609
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: animals for packing gear, you know. That's that's one of

610
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: the major points. Of course, you gotta live with the

611
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: straight backness, and sometimes it's harder to good to pack

612
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: to hold on there. Okay, so the straight backness doesn't

613
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: help the pack hold on. It's just the way the

614
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: animal moves. Well, that's turnt intertinct to follow. Yeah, yeah,

615
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: you know she everybody a lot of people who don't

616
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: know things hanging up here. She got riding his horse.

617
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: Bring the back we all string and they don't you

618
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: have them time to get it. They're just doing their

619
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: own you know. Yeah, yeah, they're jump in and following.

620
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: They don't pass, they just follow. H m hmm. Interesting.

621
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: So so you had all these jacks, all these mayors,

622
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: who was who was What kind of people buy high

623
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: dollar mule? Is that if question? I mean you were

624
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: selling mules all over the country, Is that right? Yes?

625
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: I never really thought about it. Why the type of person? One?

626
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: One type of person? I mean, are they mule people

627
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: or are they horse people that want just like this

628
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: one really nice animal that they're willing to pay a

629
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: lot for or is it? Uh? I mean, like are

630
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: most people Do most people that have mules that's all

631
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: they have? Or is it? Or do a lot of

632
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: horse people probably have maybe one mule for whatever reason.

633
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just trying to get a feel

634
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: for because you sold some high dollar mules over the years,

635
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: I mean you're making a living selling. Yeah, I was

636
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: not compared to today's market, but I sold a lot

637
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: of high dollar mules. But I guess two or three

638
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: different types of person people. One would be that person

639
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 1: who wants to have something different, show off, you know,

640
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: because don't want it just to be different. It's going

641
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: to want to be well trained too. And then and

642
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: you see lots of across the country. You have a

643
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: group competitors or riders like ropers, say Steer Ropers. You're

644
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: going maybe there'll be twenty teams of horses, and then

645
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: to be a couple of years come out there and run,

646
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: you know, and you guys maybe got three horses he's

647
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: ride when he also rides a mule and just something different.

648
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: And then some of them want to have the very best.

649
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: And I had more than one person called me and

650
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: say what I want to buy the best mule in

651
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: the United States. Mhm, myney is no object. Mm hmm.

652
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: But then at the same time maybe sounds like Kobe. Yeah,

653
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: it's all right, Kobe, lets them up. It's that guy.

654
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: Had a guy from Idaho come one time and bought

655
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: a trailer over tosson. Then he came bout three meals

656
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: from me, tacked up backpack tack and you sold him

657
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: everything everything. He means, you don't have a brush. But

658
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: he was. He was a guy maybe thirty years old

659
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: and an avid big game hunter. Lived to night who

660
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: in in the year before he killed all five big

661
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: game animals, including the mountain goat in Idaho. And he

662
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: was back. He wasn't put your size guy, and he

663
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,479
Speaker 1: lost seventeen pounds while he was hunting that goat because

664
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: you don't to pack in what you could pack on

665
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: your back. Well said, put that away. But that's why

666
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: he did it. And after that he said, I gotta

667
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: have me a mule. So he came in. The drove

668
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: all the way down here from Ottaho, and I had

669
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: about seven eight meals called. I thought it would work

670
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: for him, and I had him don tied round the fence.

671
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: So I went down and told him about everyone, one

672
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: of them, each, everyone of them, and he walked back

673
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: a couple of times he said I take this one,

674
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: this one, that one, and all the tapers slowed him up,

675
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: and I said, well, we better ride him. You pulled

676
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: out the cash register changing changing Well, he said, I

677
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: said we better go ride and check him out. You

678
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: might decide you don't like. He didn't even want to

679
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: write him. No, he said, why should I want to

680
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: write him? Lord, you told me what kind of music

681
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: were and I believe you. He trusted you, and so

682
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: he said, I don't need to ride him. Well, it

683
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 1: wasn't mules. I was worried about. It was him because

684
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: when I asked him how much writing experience he'd had,

685
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: and he told me that he thought he could remember

686
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: riding a pony ride in the circus one time when

687
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: his mother took him to the circus. I mean nothing.

688
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: So I talked to me. I said, well, look at

689
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the afternoon, why don't you you're gonna

690
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: have to stay overnight anyway, why don't you s we

691
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: go tott trail ride on the mountain tomorrow and just

692
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: for time shake. You know, well, okay, so at the

693
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: time we got top of the mountain, you're smart enough

694
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: to realize that he needed some resistance. Yeah, I mean

695
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: it did not come with an owner's manual. Yeah. Yeah.

696
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: When he was that type of guy, you know, he's like,

697
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: I just whatever it is, I just get the owners

698
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: manual and built in figured out. Yeah. I said, you

699
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: can't do that with mucles. You know, when I first

700
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: got mules, I wasn't quite like that, but I quickly

701
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: realized that buying a animal, especially if you're working in

702
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: these lower end mule markets where you don't know what

703
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: you're getting, it's not like buying a four wheeler. You

704
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: don't you don't just go, okay, a broke mule. You know,

705
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: get on Craig's List and see broke mule for sale

706
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: twelve hundred dollars. You think you're just gonna get on

707
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: that animal and just have no trouble and ride all

708
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: over the country. That is not the case. And I

709
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: think that's probably the biggest thing that people that I

710
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: hear people that have questions with is they don't understand

711
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: that transition from zero two functional and uh, you know

712
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: inside of being able to ride a mule, Because even

713
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: if you have a really well trained mule, he'll take

714
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: advantage of an inexperienced writer, will he not? A lot

715
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: of times you will. Let's pull pull that down just

716
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: a little bit more. The there you go, there you

717
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: go perfect a lot of times. Shut this case. But

718
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: the more you learn about the more when you learn

719
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: about meals, what makes them, tecking, how to train them,

720
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: and property, equipment and stuff. But more you realize how

721
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: little people know about what what you're doing. Yeah, and

722
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 1: if you have any question about their being a higher being,

723
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: you can just watch the many screen horns tried and

724
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: they don't get killed, you know, because somebody's gonna be

725
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: looking after that dude. She could have had ten of

726
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: those one day, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, mm hmm.

727
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: So what what's uh, what's the high end mule in

728
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: today's market? Like what what would? Well, there's gonna be

729
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: several mules due to Jake Clark soay mainly, but they're

730
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: selling a lot of both public and private for ten

731
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: tod Yeah, it's not uncommon anymore today. I mean, I

732
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: remember the one one when I sold for twenty five grand.

733
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 1: She was way four above it. And this number two

734
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: you might have been ten thousand dollar mule, you know,

735
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: but it's not that way. And another reason they're getting

736
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: higher priced mules, it's because the people are breeding better mules,

737
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: but not only better looking, with better capabilities to do

738
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: some performance. And then the other thing is to get

739
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: the trainers are more watching the clinicians, you know, and

740
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: learning to what the horse people been doing for years

741
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: and how to apply to their mules and and so

742
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: mule trainers are getting better, yes, more, I mean, and

743
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: they're educating the average rider. A lot of more and

744
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: more riders, trail riders so speak, are going to these

745
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: clinics and learning, hopefully one on one world what to do.

746
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: It's still a long ways from being accomplished writer just

747
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: in one session or two. I went went of mine

748
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: back in the day when John Lynes was the main

749
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: the horse whisper around. He had a five day clinic

750
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: over to Homer and my friend to a friend of mine,

751
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: wanted me to go over there and watch him. And

752
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: after five days he was a friend was amazed. He

753
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: told me back to back up a little bit. He

754
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: told me about six months before that that he wanted

755
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: me to help him become a better mule rider because

756
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: he had TRAI rized all the times, said, I won't

757
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: mind me able to do better than average trail rider.

758
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: So I worked with it with a bunch of stuff.

759
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: And one thing I worked with him on I was

760
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: getting his meal to do a turnaround, and he he

761
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: pop picked up on him pretty quick. One reason because

762
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: his meal was handy and he realized it to which

763
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: I saw right away. But he realized that after the

764
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: third days, what he's taken three days to teach those

765
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: people to turn around, and you taught me in fifteen minutes.

766
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: I said to well, he's making money at it's how

767
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: he makes she's living. He's gotta milk this out. He

768
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: can't give all the good stuff away the first day exactly.

769
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you mean by turnaround, I mean

770
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: just being in the middle of a trail and get

771
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: him to spend three or sixty degrees. Well, see there again,

772
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: you're relating it to trail ride you and it's not

773
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: as important most of the time. But you don't want

774
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: them to just walk around in the circle. You wanted

775
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: to cross a cross over and flash the trail rod

776
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: got a tight situation. You want to cross over and

777
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: cross over on their back legs, not rear up. But

778
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: just takes a lot less time if you go to

779
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: circle like thet to roll back. Okay, And I'm gonna

780
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: have to bring my meal over here because you're talking

781
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: about a lot of stuff I don't I don't know of.

782
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: I just know how to get on one and make

783
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: it go wherever you needed to go. We do that

784
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: and not fall off. I've got to meeting out here

785
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: now that's not finished. What she knows enough, I can

786
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: show you what they're supposed to do. Yeah, mm hmm.

787
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: What would you uh what what advice would you give

788
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: somebody that was wanting to buy mule that didn't know

789
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: econ animals much? What advice would you give him first,

790
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: Try to find somebody that's reputable it be is honest.

791
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: The thing I found through the years is not so

792
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: much what people tell you that they're people that are

793
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: selling mules. Is not so much what they tell you,

794
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: it's what they don't tell you. I's try to get

795
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: you hurt and in my way thinking that's the same

796
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: as a line. Yes, I know exactly what you mean.

797
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you come with me and say I

798
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: want to buy this mule, and you've got some questions

799
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: as he kicked or does he do this or does

800
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: he said he says no, no one saw you get

801
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: him home. He does something difference. You know. So you

802
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: called a guy back and said, well, you here told

803
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: me that he would run over you. Well you didn't

804
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: ever ask me. Yes, that's no excuse, that just cop

805
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: out and just playing a liar. Yeah, you know that.

806
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: You described that so well, and I'm glad to hear

807
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: you describe it that way, because I said the other

808
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: day that I didn't it being a mule guy, a

809
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: mule salesman, it'd be hard to be successful and be

810
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: completely honest because almost everyone is going to have some quirk.

811
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: Every every animal that I've ever bought, like right now,

812
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: my mule that I love so much, she's I guess

813
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: she's coming on five. And I mean you couldn't pay

814
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 1: me enough money to sell her if I was trying

815
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: to sell her though for a high dollar. I mean

816
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: she you know, fidgets when you're putting a sideline her.

817
00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: She uh, you know, she's got quirks, um and and

818
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: so like, but probably somebody. But she's never bucked me off.

819
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: She's never she's never kicked, she's never done anything real crazy.

820
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I could make you, I can show you pictures,

821
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: I could tell you the truth. But then when you

822
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: got on or you'd be like, man, this this meal

823
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: is kind of fidgety when it's nervous and kind of

824
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: cold backed a little bit, you know a few little things.

825
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: Um well, a lot of everybody has a different writing ability. Yeah,

826
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: It's one thing has helped me through the years. It's

827
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: to figure out how, how, what kind of what level

828
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: these people are on and matching with the mule that's

829
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: you could handle that. Yeah, and some of them care

830
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: there are better writers and they think they are. And

831
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: some of them are scared to death, you know. Yeah, yeah,

832
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: But and some of them realized that a lot of

833
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: guys and that goes kind of along with the being

834
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: independent and more over redl with music. A lot the

835
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: guys should do the one taking any training, you know,

836
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: because they're bearished it. But they might not have no

837
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: money for wife does it. But they let their wife

838
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: go to training, but they don't want to go. Couldn't

839
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: be that hard, you know. Yeah. But I had a

840
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: couple comes from which to Falls, Texas. They bought two

841
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: meals from in. The woman was about fifty five years old.

842
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: She's what I wrote some when I was a kid,

843
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: but I haven't written in twenty years. And my husband's

844
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: been paying for me to writing lessons. But they're English lessons.

845
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 1: Mhm and uh. She said, I need some Western writing lessons.

846
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: So we were turned around here and I started to

847
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: coaching her. Her husband was telling her to do this

848
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: net and I said, wait a minute, Bill, you want

849
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: to be one teacher if you want to. If you

850
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: won't tell her what to do, I'll go to the house.

851
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: If you want me to tell her what to do,

852
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: then you need to shut up or you go to house. Yeah,

853
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: is is this part of the world kind of the

854
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: mule epicenter of the country. Yes, okay, because I've been

855
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: saying that for years. I'm glad that you verified that

856
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: for me. Not quite as much as it used to be,

857
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: but still it is. For sure, Arkansas, Oklahoma and Texas

858
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: particularly hot spot from mules. But then you see a

859
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: lot of mules just numbers misshipping out of Baba and

860
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: Georgia don't have a lot of mules, but not necessarily

861
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: high quality, high trained mules. Really so so out West,

862
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: a lot of these outfitters and different groups have mules.

863
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 1: They're buying those mules from here a lot of times,

864
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: is that right? Yeah? So I know there's a there's

865
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: one guy that I know of here in Arkansas that

866
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: trains mules all year long and then takes them out

867
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: to these uh live auctions out in Idaho, and it

868
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: gets pretty high dollar uh for his mules out there

869
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: in the live auctions. Is that kind of because that's

870
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: what I've seen, is that a lot of those Western

871
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: guys are coming back here to buy mules. The oz

872
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: arcs and and well not just the old arcs but

873
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: states you said first, and I don't want necessarily want

874
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: to plug Jack Clark, but he see he was so

875
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: smarter than the rest of us, Not that I wanted

876
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 1: to do it, but he'd been in buying selling mules

877
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: to all his life and he's a guy that's my age,

878
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: and he figured out, hey, if we just do better

879
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: a quality mules, people people figured out and come by,

880
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 1: especially in the West. And so he only his mules

881
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: have to be vetted before they can be sold at

882
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: his well. Not only have they first have to pass

883
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: the phishical inspection to be a nice looking mule, and

884
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: then they have to have certain qualities, and he sets

885
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: up obstacle course if you will. Yeah, he's placing they

886
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: have to go through all of that before they can

887
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 1: qualify to go to the sale. And it'll be everything

888
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: you can can think of, all the stuff he has

889
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: it for him to do. In other words, one one,

890
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: if they can go to his trail course, they've got

891
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: to be pretty well broke. Yeah, it could an average

892
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: mule that I'd be riding make it through that trail

893
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: course with proper training. But the first place people people

894
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: are going to pay that a lot of money, a

895
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: lot of money like that for they don't want to

896
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: train them and they don't know how, and they don't

897
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: want to. They want to step on him and do

898
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: what they're supposed to, not realizing that I have people

899
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: all of times to say, well you're a trainer, No

900
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm a rider. Any time you touch your animal,

901
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: you're training it your trainer or whether you like it

902
00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: or not good or bad. Yes, yeah. And I told

903
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: her fancy meal to a banker one time for a

904
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: lot of money, and she's called me back in about

905
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: two weeks and he said, but I need to bring

906
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: that meal back over there. I can't get on her.

907
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: M I thought, well, okay. We brought her over and

908
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: she fished it a little bit when I when I

909
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: got on her, but she stood fine. And he said,

910
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: she's starting to get away from me. When when I

911
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: was getting the saddle, I said, we don't have to progress,

912
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: bring her right over. So I wrote her a week

913
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: and I said, come get your meals. Nothing wrong with her.

914
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: We come got her and to weeks to call me

915
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: back the same thing. They brought her back over and

916
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I want to I'm gonna fix her

917
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: this time. But before you can take her, you're gonna

918
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: have to show me how you get on the rider.

919
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: Something you're doing. It's not the meal. So what he

920
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: was done, it's getting on me all purpen Dickler and

921
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: he he had sharp pointedge, told your boots, he got

922
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: your right in m m yeah, in the side there

923
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: with that booting press. Soon she thought there was a

924
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: clue to move away. Yeah yeah, yeah, And so I

925
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: saw him turn turns out but sideways. I didn't get

926
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: up when your animal, so you're not poking her? Yeah,

927
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: and she did fine, yeah yeah, but he was training her,

928
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: see yeah, he was training her to do that. Yeah. Yeah, Um,

929
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: what's uh? What would you say to me? It seems

930
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: like there's two kind of mule markets in a way,

931
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: like I guess, I guess a vetted mule sale. They're

932
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: gonna get more money for that mule because it's coming

933
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: from reputable trainers and it's been vetted in some way,

934
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: like the Jake Clark stuff, because is it you know,

935
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: you can go on because you can buy cheap mules anywhere,

936
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: but they're just not not they've not been proven, I guess,

937
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: and you've gotta weed through, like I'm trying to understand,

938
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: like somebody paying five grand for a mule, you know,

939
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: like they're I mean, I know why they I mean,

940
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: I know people with money would do that, but like, um,

941
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: it seems like some of these trainers are buying cheap

942
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: mules and just sell them in a different market and

943
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: making money. Does that make sense or is that has

944
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: that happen? Well, I said, I don't what you're talking to, kidneyp.

945
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: But a good trainer can take a mule it's got

946
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: a problem and maybe fix it. You know, yeah, where

947
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: every person couldn't do it. Don't have to knowledge or

948
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: abilty to do it. Maybe has a builty, but not

949
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: to knowledge. And um, but you take a mule, you

950
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: guys put nine year, hundred days on and knows what

951
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: he's doing. Maybe paid Mandy Paint the five thousands for

952
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: me don't start with, but to have me gets it

953
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: up to the level of fifteen thousands somewhere training. He's

954
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: put lots of time, expertise, quality time with that animal.

955
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: The only problem with find those type of mules is

956
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: that a lot of times that there are sometimes it

957
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: doesn't stay when they get them home because this dude

958
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: has been riding a meal every day that he can

959
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: for several hours. The more you use them, the better

960
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: to get you know. Yeah, Well, I don't know how

961
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: many muals I've brought home and he comes untrained a

962
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: little more every day. Yeah, because I thought these trainers

963
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: are original trainers will like cold ride one for somebody

964
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: only write and write and write and write and writing. Yeah,

965
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: so the day after you get it back from that,

966
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: obviously it's gonna do pretty good. But four months down

967
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: the road when you've written it three times, or maybe

968
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: a week downe the road. Yeah, but a good example

969
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: I had. I bought one from guy here in Arkansas

970
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: at the time. Was his trade. Jo was trader and

971
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: she was a fancy look at me. Well. I showed

972
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: her to the world, showing Californ't she placed third the

973
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: halter in her class. She was since she was fifty eight,

974
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: and I bought her for myself. Had a good, good

975
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: way of traveling, and I discovered her out there any

976
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: want of five thousand dollars for so I bought her

977
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: and asking about different questions, and I've known him, wasn't

978
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: a stranger. But then I realized after I bought her,

979
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: when she started giving me problems and I wasn't paying attention,

980
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: but I saw that mute different times of the day

981
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: there was. Of course, there's lots of lots of people

982
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: out there. I was always on the track in New Venus.

983
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: I saw her time after time. It was a different

984
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: writer on her lopen lopen, hour after hour after hour.

985
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: And so I got her home and it's real pleased

986
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: with her. And I sat her up, rode her two

987
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: miles down the road and back and everything's fine. And

988
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: I did that for about a week, and about fift

989
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: or six ride, I noticed she was kind of actually

990
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: wanted to buck some you know, humped the pomy and

991
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: stuck ears up, and I thought, this, a bitch could

992
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: buck you all fun. She bucked me off if she

993
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: could wanted to. But the next day I told him

994
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: that I kept a big sixteen hand pony horse here,

995
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: I said, down here, and taking me down the road,

996
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: we got to the second curve down here, and she

997
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: just exploded. And the first thing I knew, I was

998
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: sitting behind the saddle, and so while she was coming down,

999
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: I grabbed the horn and stuck myself back into saddle.

1000
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: But then I looked over and and even with the

1001
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: rubber on the horn, she's how powerful she was. That

1002
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: leader was around the point of horse saddle horn there

1003
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: and win. And so when she come down the next time,

1004
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: I stepped off of her. But she I couldn't, She

1005
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: couldn't reck her that. Why was she doing that? She

1006
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: was a bitch, she just had But she was a

1007
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: super well trained mule that people had ridden like just well,

1008
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: I was just every now and then she would just

1009
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: get that way. She was a mule. She was a

1010
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 1: young mual. She was just four or five year old.

1011
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: But she she I'd say, my opinion, she was that

1012
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: away from birth and not many of mar but she's

1013
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: one of them. Just her natural instinct. What's the buck?

1014
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: And Moy wrote her, unless she did it, you know, surely,

1015
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: and there he goes another point. One person can get

1016
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: along with mule and the next one can, or vice versa.

1017
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: Really there's some truth to that, huh. Meals are much

1018
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: more of a one on one type animal because you're donkeys, right,

1019
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: half donkey. But I sold that meal to the guy.

1020
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: A friend of miney Resourn, told him how exactly how

1021
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: she was, and he bought her. And but she bucked

1022
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: with him every time he got on. He made her

1023
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: open mut out of her. She bucked every time he'd

1024
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: get it on her five thousand dollar mule. But h

1025
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: but if she had been right, I could should her

1026
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: for ten you know, I see honestly, So that's a

1027
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: time when you got the where it didn't work out.

1028
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 1: I guess that's that's why you could do those You

1029
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: you could evaluate them pretty quickly. Write him, write something else,

1030
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: write him. Usually don't have but fifteen mint half hour.

1031
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: Once the one, I'll take the time to go on

1032
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: trail right withy one. Yeah, her bringing home and try

1033
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah, but m interesting, m hmm. Cope, do

1034
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: you have any questions? You've been awfully quiet over there. Yeah,

1035
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm taking it all in. I want to hear. I

1036
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: was just thinking, if you have one mule that stands out,

1037
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: just some legendary mule that you've had that kind of

1038
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: out classes the others, like if you would describe them,

1039
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: or maybe a story about something that just showed how

1040
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: how good they were. Well, Clementine my Darlin was my

1041
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: all time favorite mual for looks and confirmation and ability.

1042
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: You have different favorite meals for different things, but overall,

1043
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: and if I just pick one and be her, she's

1044
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime mule, and she she was

1045
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: born and raised in California. And she was a nervous

1046
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: riding mule kind blucidic ahead only worse, and you you

1047
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: had to be a writer. She she never did buck

1048
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: very much when she's run off with you, spooker, and

1049
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: she didn't have much self persuation. One time this guy

1050
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: bought her from my saw. He was at a big

1051
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: meal show and had very big bleachers. Somebody come out

1052
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: a flag waving there. The next thing he knew he

1053
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: was standing up there on his meal, but he was

1054
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: about to top roll. Wow, and now this is the

1055
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: best meal you ever had? Though, Yes, and now tell

1056
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: explain that because I didn't make you're you're not very

1057
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: convincing here. It's like telling this kind of the day

1058
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 1: that it's like that never they never lose it. They're

1059
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: always going to be that way. But then you can

1060
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: work with him and make them better. Could She'll be

1061
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 1: a hell of a meal. And didn't have that problem,

1062
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I mean you came, but you got

1063
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: to you got to understand the problem and figure out

1064
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: how to deal with it. That put me on. I

1065
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: didn't write her, but she was easy riding. But anyway,

1066
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: clear me was bought as a cold and raised and

1067
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 1: trained by this uh California guy, I guess, I say,

1068
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: And he did quite well with her, but he never

1069
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: could get that last little bit out ever, And I

1070
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: figured I could, and I did, but she got more

1071
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: broken and she mettled out, and I put a lot

1072
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: of time on her. She was finally got today to

1073
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: where she didn't regress, but uh she was. She was

1074
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: having on speed events, telling me that I wrote I

1075
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: wrote bunch of them that you could grass the rider

1076
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: into the arena, circle around in the says, you might say,

1077
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: cock the hammer wide open and just fog it into

1078
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: the barrel. Never slow down, just come out of there

1079
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: scratching and clawing and go to the next barrel. And

1080
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta have you gonna win. You can't

1081
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: have one to start right, and yes, slowing down be

1082
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: fore they get there. Very much. So she was fast,

1083
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: that's what she liked about her. And she was very

1084
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: very athletic. But her I won six world championships with

1085
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: her M and now Halter championships are or Halter and

1086
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: she had dog Halter and and all the speed events.

1087
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: And then the guy bought her from wass A World

1088
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: Champion Team Open M hm and got working. Huh, that's

1089
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: the story. Now she would she had been a good

1090
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: trail meal just to go out here in the mountains

1091
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: and ride. Well, she was, she was very right. Ahoy.

1092
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: I wrote her a few times on her trail, but

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01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: she wouldn't kind of a trail mule. But a cow

1094
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: working made me think, hey, we used to have a

1095
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: hundred head half hers here we kept and resold. I

1096
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 1: worked them all on the mules, and out of a

1097
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: time of having twenty thirt meals, i'd have five all

1098
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 1: the time. It could work cattle. Yeah, most mules that

1099
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: don't have enough speed to work a cow. They a

1100
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: lot of them have enough speed to just get up

1101
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: even with her if you got to trying to hit

1102
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: one out going down the fence, but enough speed to

1103
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: get from them and cut them off. Well, I had

1104
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: this one mules fourteen two maybe three hand bucks. She

1105
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: and Molly mule we call Ruth. She was about to

1106
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: have year old when I bought her, and the guys

1107
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: that I bought her from would work castle with her,

1108
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: and so I find tunder. But anyway, back to my story.

1109
01:09:53,640 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 1: They had at Carthage, Missouri. They had a a friend

1110
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: little competition and steer opening team pinning, and I found

1111
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: out about it and they had horses are showing and

1112
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: had the meal show. I took Root up there and

1113
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 1: the horse show was still going on. In the call

1114
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,759
Speaker 1: for they're doing a team pinning, they call for single penning,

1115
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: and she was. She was best I've ever seen that

1116
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: that for me and so went up the owner. The

1117
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: guys put it on sponsoring. I said, can I write

1118
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: a meal in this class? He said, look, buddy, I

1119
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: don't care if you write a goat. But unlet's be

1120
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: understood that only one money. Everybody just want to take

1121
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: the whole part. So there was thirty six centered and

1122
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: I was the last one to enter. And if I

1123
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: don't know if if you're here with cattle pinning, seemed

1124
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: single penning, but you have all your steers out there,

1125
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: hefers was a cross the line. Then you have a

1126
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: pen setupool here m And if you've got three riders

1127
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 1: and you pick out, there's three steers out there with

1128
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: that same number, of course, short around, drying around, put

1129
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: them in the pin. A single pinning is the same thing,

1130
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: except they'll put one more panel over there. There's no

1131
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: way you can hit them off. We've got to be

1132
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: not only good, but you're gonna be fast, and then

1133
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: you've gotta be lucky, and lucky in the sense that

1134
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: your animals are used just quickly accessible. So I take

1135
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: off off the dead run and blew the whistle, and

1136
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: my steer, one of my steers was well, my ownest,

1137
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: her single opinion was right out in the front. Boy

1138
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: hooked around that dude and took him up to the

1139
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: arena or wide open and put him in there. In

1140
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: the pin six point seven seconds, I had tied the

1141
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: fastest horse. Mm hmm. So the crowd was a huge crowd.

1142
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: They were just loving it. They're all crapper and who

1143
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: and so the owners and the ancer said him't you

1144
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 1: want to flip for flip for the potter? You want

1145
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: to run it off for split it or what? I'll

1146
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: be damned defined you want to split anything with the mule?

1147
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: He cussing mules, and so he asked me, and I said,

1148
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: that's fine. We runned off. I want to take a home.

1149
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: So we got in there and I drew to go first,

1150
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 1: and the same thing, and down stairs, right in the front,

1151
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 1: took him up dead run. He got almost to the

1152
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: pen and he cut in front of me. I just

1153
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: cut the rather background and put him making anybody was

1154
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: thirteen seconds. Well, I'm thinking shoot at all that deal

1155
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: when he comes in there and he gets his right

1156
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: off the bat and said up there, and it turns

1157
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: almost in the same spot, but he didn't get around it,

1158
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: and he kind of got away from him for City

1159
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: Blue Whistle and he went past my time. Well, he

1160
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: was really mad about it. And so the stairs still

1161
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: out there, and he rode up the la stair and

1162
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,040
Speaker 1: leaned over and great grabbed the stairs and twisted the

1163
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: steers tail and when he did, his saddle turned. Don't

1164
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: even dumped him running the dirt. Uh, godhead. It was

1165
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: one of the good mules one that day. And I heard,

1166
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: I heard, I heard for months after that somebody seen,

1167
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: somebody had seen. You want to say, hey, did you

1168
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: hear about that cat cat cattle penning up there at

1169
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: carth some mule one net like it was a Hollywood mule. Um,

1170
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: you you mentioned the mules age. What is uh, how

1171
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: long will the mule? Can you functionally ride a mule? Like?

1172
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: Will they last longer than a horse? Certainly? Well, A

1173
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: good example is that there's a paramutual racing excuse me

1174
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: for mules since six or eight or nine states eleven

1175
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: out west, and that's when I found out that the

1176
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: Para mutual race track they won't allow a horse to

1177
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: run past the age of ten. Well, when you run

1178
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: the mules Perer mutual, it's sixteen. Okay, So that gives

1179
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: you some idea about longevity. Useful longevity of the mule

1180
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: is longer, the much less longer. We didn't touch on it,

1181
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: but some more advantages to having a mule is that

1182
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: they don't eat as much. They're not as selective and

1183
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: want to eat. They'll eat about anything and do do

1184
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: well on it. Yeah, they'll do better flesh wise, with

1185
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,839
Speaker 1: less food and poorer quality than the horse wheel donkey

1186
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: side again. Uh, and they're less, they're more, they're more

1187
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: disease resistance, they can standing more, riding injured in the

1188
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: horse will okay, just a lot of things like that.

1189
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: Don't think about could you ride up like Toby's got

1190
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: a Well, we both have a mule that's about fifteen.

1191
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: How how much longer will we be riding? Those meals

1192
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 1: seriously or easier to Okay, I got the meal out

1193
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: there now, that's modified eight years old really, and she's

1194
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: not like she used to be. But if you take

1195
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 1: care of she. One of the problems if any of

1196
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: those horses get solder, it's your teeth. And most people

1197
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: don't float their animal's teeth because they don't think he

1198
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: need you to. Never never heard of it, but that

1199
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 1: causes a lot of problems if they gets out of

1200
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: whack of tooth gets loose, or it gets a point

1201
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: on it where it makes a sore, and they don't

1202
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: you set trying to make them turn when you turn

1203
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 1: right what it punches them in chin. I don't want

1204
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 1: to do it. So it's advantageous to have you floated,

1205
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: especially after they started getting big eight or ten years old,

1206
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: and then when you get real old, if you haven't

1207
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: throated them on a regular basis before then they started

1208
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: getting a little loose and then they don't match up

1209
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: the uppers and lowers. HM. I bought it. I never

1210
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: didn't have a professional float your teeth all the time.

1211
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: But discovered this one viewers upper tooth that was literally

1212
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: an inch longer sticking down in his gun and wearing

1213
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: the side, causing pain when closing mouth or you put

1214
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: a put a bit pressure against it, so they to

1215
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: cut it off with bare nippers. Huh, floating wash'n't do

1216
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 1: any good? And now what is what is floating? Actually mean?

1217
01:16:55,960 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: They're pulling a tooth out? No photo, mr are you

1218
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: have a kind of a rasp so to speak, that's

1219
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: so big on the handle and you broke it up

1220
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: down on their teeth taking them even if they're chewing

1221
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: something and they can't, their teeth will come together just

1222
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:18,679
Speaker 1: your your I have to say. Problem. Yeah, he started

1223
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: getting the horser because if you feed them in a

1224
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 1: box stall and pandhords are by therself and you got

1225
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: some h on them, you'll notice you notice you have

1226
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: some Hey the trought that he did, he's chewed, but

1227
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: he didn't swallow when he speak it back up. Yeah. Yeah,

1228
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: that's a good sign that their teeth work. Yeah, okay,

1229
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: well hey there was that that. Everything you said iss

1230
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: been really good informative and uh yeah, Kobe, can you

1231
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: think of you got any final question? I mean there's

1232
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: a thousand as the other thing as I want to

1233
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 1: talk about, but we've we've covered the big things I

1234
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: wanted to hear about, you know, the mule business and

1235
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: what he what Mr Lloyd was doing all those years

1236
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: selling which we covered that we covered the you know,

1237
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: I learned some stuff about why you'd want to mule

1238
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 1: over a horse. Um. Another thing I would like to

1239
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: point out, uh, he said, most people, particularly women, do

1240
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,600
Speaker 1: not want to be dominant over their animals. They just

1241
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,879
Speaker 1: want to be equal. I see, and a lotch animals,

1242
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: not just mules. But do you have a pecking order.

1243
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,600
Speaker 1: You cannot be equal. You've got to be above or

1244
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: below in the pecking order. Yeah. So that's one reason

1245
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: some people do or do not get along with their animals.

1246
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: Kind of goes back to the idea I said earlier

1247
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: where most people do a lot with their mules, but

1248
01:18:52,240 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: they've never made them do anything. Yeah. Yeah, well it's great. Well,

1249
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: thanks so much for meeting with us today. I want

1250
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 1: to go out here and see some of your mules

1251
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: that you've got, and me and Colby want to come

1252
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: over here and ride with you. Yeah, thank you, Mr Lloyd.

1253
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. You're welcome any time, all right,

1254
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: Thank you. Well. We always in our podcast by saying

1255
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: keep the wild places wild. Professor with Barford