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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. When you

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Speaker 1: do you ever look around and think, who are these

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Speaker 1: No one wants to think about the fact that there

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Speaker 1: are killers amongst us. What happened to Annie Lay absolutely

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Speaker 1: stunning young woman and a brainiac to boot just twenty

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Speaker 1: four years old. Take a listen to our friend Randall

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Speaker 1: Pingston CBS. Twenty four year old Annie Lee was working

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, she left her office and walked four blocks

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Speaker 1: There was a fire drill, but Lee wasn't seen. When

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Speaker 1: concerned and notified authorities. Just thinking about that confusion, with

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Speaker 1: put it back together again. Former felony prosecutor now defense

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Speaker 1: attorney Darryl Cohen name partner at Cohen, Cooper, Estep and

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Speaker 1: dot com. Where now psychiatrists joining me out of the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Angela Arnold, you can find her at

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. And with us former police

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Speaker 1: lieutenant there in the jurisdiction where Annie Lay disappears, the

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Speaker 1: Newhaven Police Department, the senior lecturer and director of the

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Speaker 1: Center for Advanced Policing at the University of Newhaven and

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Speaker 1: worked this case. But right now, to Matthew Chase, investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter with Newsday, you know, Matthew, I was just thinking

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Speaker 1: Not being able to see beyond my own case is thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm being interrupted at this moment. Are you kidding? And

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about Annie Lay. I think she was

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Speaker 1: Was there a fire or was this just a drill?

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Speaker 1: What was it? Matthew, you know, to be honest, I

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Speaker 1: What was the smoke alarm all about? Was there a fire?

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Speaker 1: So what she happened? There wasn't a fire. There was

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Speaker 1: sterilizes equipment, and so what happened is the individuals that

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Speaker 1: so it was it was a legitimate alarm. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: And you're absolutely sure, Lisa Dandy O, Yes, absolutely, because

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Speaker 1: It's just too much of a coincidence for the fire,

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Speaker 1: Pure Nancy is just like a magician. Don't see what

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Speaker 1: her Facebook page, Sunday, twenty four year old Annie Lee

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Speaker 1: The FBI says there's no person of interest in the investigation,

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Sharon Alfonsi, ABC News, along with

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Speaker 1: In fact, Annie had written about it herself and the

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Speaker 1: you something, Missy. In this case, the guy wasn't even there.

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Speaker 1: He was in New York. It's just okay, okay, you're

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Speaker 1: letting the facts get in the way of my theory.

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Speaker 1: Be not there. I accepted, I accepted, I accepted. It

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Speaker 1: just seems they were a happy couple. You know, in

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Speaker 1: my world, that's really hard to take in. But actually

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Speaker 1: I think you're you're very close to the truth. Guys,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends. Sharon al Fans. ABC

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Speaker 1: investigators say they still don't know if Lay, who was

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Speaker 1: supposed to get married today, was the victim of a

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Speaker 1: violent crime or just got cold feet. But friends say

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Speaker 1: she's not the type to run off. That's very out

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Speaker 1: of character. She would not do it this way, like

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Speaker 1: she would be very straightforward and tell her family and

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Speaker 1: friends and John especially friends say Jonathan Wodowski, Lay's fiance

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Speaker 1: is heartbroken and worried sick outside his family's Long Island home.

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Speaker 1: Wedding gifts waited the doorstep nearby to local florists. They

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Speaker 1: are still hoping for a happy ending. This was Annie's bokaeting,

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Speaker 1: which is made today, which we always make brids bokay

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Speaker 1: the day before, which is hoping she's found safe. One

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Speaker 1: thing makes me cave in to Daryl Cohen, doctor Angie Arnold,

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Speaker 1: a Sadaddio, and Matthew Chase. Matthew, what can you tell

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Speaker 1: me about the location of Annie's purse and cell phone?

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Speaker 1: She leaves that stuff in her office and goes to

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Speaker 1: walk to this lab a couple of blocks away where

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Speaker 1: she's last seen on surveillance video going into this building.

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Speaker 1: So left behind her purse and cell phone. And that

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Speaker 1: tells me she's not a runaway bride, because if she

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Speaker 1: was on the run, she would take that purse and

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Speaker 1: cell phone. Right now, I'm just thinking about what the

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Speaker 1: local florist just said. They've got her wedding bouquet ready

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Speaker 1: and waiting on her. Where is Annie Lay Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Killers amongst us, signing off goodbye friend,