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Speaker 2: But you give it your shot, to give it your shot,

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Speaker 3: Podcast, That Moment with Damon John will jump into the

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Speaker 3: All right, Patin, thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: Born in Compton, nineteen sixty and family moved out of

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Speaker 3: How did you do all that? Find DJing and then

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Speaker 3: Really really critical for people to understand that. The next

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Speaker 3: How come? How come you didn't have fire pestival out there?

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Speaker 3: And that's not what I got you brushing on And

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Speaker 3: is negotiating with anybody, right, And if you're negotiating with countries, music, acts, managers, people,

437
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: there are going to be uh, some bad actors. There

438
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 3: are going to be people who have all the best

439
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: intentions they let you down. There are going to be

440
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 3: people who want to get paid on the side. I

441
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 3: want to get paid in advance. They're gonna they're gonna

442
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: be one of the people, kind of like the chicken

443
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 3: or the egg. Give me the money first and then

444
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 3: I'll show up. It's never been done before. These are

445
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 3: countries that don't support this. So you've had to make

446
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 3: some tough calls and tough decisions, and you've had to

447
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 3: cancel things, you've lie to, You've had to DoD your

448
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 3: teas and across your t's and dot your eyes because

449
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: somebody said something. They let you down. And now you're

450
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 3: talking new relationships and all of a sudden you're like, yeah,

451
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 3: I got coca cola, and Coca Cola is like, okay,

452
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 3: but do you have this artist? And that artist is like, yeah,

453
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 3: but I don't like the hotel in that country. How

454
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: do you play that line? Because that's a very hard

455
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: line for a lot of us to play, right. I

456
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 3: don't want to speak out of hand. This person's giving

457
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: me a shot if I let them down. But a

458
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 3: lot of times I tell people to literal say you

459
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 3: lay it out, you take the elephant on the room.

460
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: You know this is gonna be a hard situation. I

461
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: promise I'm not gonna let you down, but I'm also

462
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: not gonna lie to you. If this thing doesn't happen

463
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: by this date or I feel anything, I'm gonna give

464
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: you a call and give you straight up answers like

465
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 3: how do you do that? Because that's the difference in

466
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 3: people who know how to navigate and massage you know

467
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: these things?

468
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Speaker 2: Right? So, because I think so.

469
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: Communication one is communication and then two kind of really

470
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Speaker 1: like letting people know who you are and your sincerity

471
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Speaker 1: and your authenticity come through.

472
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Speaker 2: Uh.

473
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Speaker 1: One of my brothers who ended up working with me

474
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: for thirty plus years in the Caribbean, who was from Trinidad,

475
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: taught me early on, he said, passing in the Caribbean.

476
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Speaker 3: But you know, you know who is he? I You know,

477
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: I'm Trinidadian Derek.

478
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Speaker 1: Lewis, Derek Close's name. He just passed last year, said suddenly.

479
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: But from uh he worked with you, he worked, he worked.

480
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, he was my stage manager

481
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Speaker 1: on those Fuobuo dates that I did for you.

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm from Dago Martin and you know

483
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 3: who's been you know what I haven't seen in a while.

484
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: You know, I'll come over with the name. Uh yes, okay, yes, yes, yes.

485
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Speaker 1: So so it was the the advice was, it's not

486
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Speaker 1: how you tell somebody how to do something, that's how

487
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Speaker 1: you ask. So I learned that when I was in

488
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: my early thirties. I'm sixty two now, when I was

489
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: like thirty.

490
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Speaker 2: I love that.

491
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 3: How is not how you tell, it's how you ask.

492
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: Give me a give us all an example of that positioning.

493
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: You're running into a scenario, like you said, of there's

494
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: a critical person who's at the who's at customs making

495
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: a decision on letting equipment into a country, and you

496
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: have to go to that person. And if that person

497
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Speaker 1: doesn't let that equipment out at a specific time that

498
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: you needed out. The whole show could be blown and

499
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: everything could be blown up in the air. And this

500
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: is a person who's literally sitting behind a desk who

501
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: no one will ever know in life. But he has

502
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: the decision is to he has the power over to

503
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: let some equipment through customs or hold it up for

504
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: a week or two. And if that equipment is held up,

505
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: your life is gonna be changed, and not for.

506
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you how my wife would talk for

507
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Speaker 3: that person.

508
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: God darning.

509
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: I need that equipment, buddy by four o'clock, or give

510
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 3: me your name and your manager's name. I think that's

511
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: pretty effective.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, brother, I need you to work with me and

513
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: I need this equipment release. If you would be kind

514
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: of let me know what I need to do to

515
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: get this done correctly. So I'm going to inherit it

516
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: whatever it is you need me to inherit too. But

517
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: we need to work with each other because everything's gonna change,

518
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: not for the better if I can't get this through.

519
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: So what do I need to do to work with

520
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: you to get this done properly?

521
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: So how many people do you find? And I believe

522
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: in the same right because you know that person, I

523
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: don't care if they're a waiter. I don't care if

524
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: they're scraping gum off the street. That person has pride,

525
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 3: that person has frustration, that person has the need for acknowledgment.

526
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: How many people do you fin find abuse that privilege

527
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 3: that and just overlook that person and they never wonder,

528
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: they don't want, they don't never understand why they didn't

529
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 3: get anywhere. Do you find that? That is a common

530
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 3: mistake that people make.

531
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Speaker 1: On both sides, one from the person who has the

532
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: power to make the decision, and sometimes they'll make arbitrary

533
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: decisions that just don't make sense to others who you're

534
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: just ready to overlook a person like I mean the

535
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: room I'm in right now in the True Reformer building,

536
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: the sister who's the security guard who let me in

537
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: to come up here to use this room to do

538
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: the podcast from. And so for me, as the person

539
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: who's got some degree of enlightenment, it's on you to

540
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: be kind and gracious and treat people like you'd like

541
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: to be treated, something I work to do every single

542
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: day by way of my kindness and my graciousness toward others.

543
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: And in friendships being the friend that I would like

544
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: to have. So uh that comes those little simple things

545
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: come to us all the time. Uh and damn you

546
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: can translate those to businesses pretty easily. But to me,

547
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: just meaningful human relationships and small interactions with people from

548
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: a human perspective that makes all the difference in the world.

549
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: And let's be very thirst I'm not I'm not going

550
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: to be able to get to all the shit that

551
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: you will have accomplished. I'm I'm taught, I'm your your

552
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: you know, I'm really at your age right now as

553
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: I went through it. I'm at thirty five. I got

554
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: a whole bunch I got a whole bunch of other

555
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: years to cover here where we're talking about what is

556
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: and I'm getting to all other things. But I want

557
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: to make I mean because I want people to really

558
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: listen to what you said. Because also there's a couple

559
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 3: of things to think about. You know, when you have

560
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: an interaction with any of these people, right it takes

561
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: one second to say thank you. And however, there's another

562
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: responsibility that comes with that. If you really want to

563
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: be genuine, you want to be there when they have

564
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 3: the small ask if they ever have the ask in

565
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: the future. That's critical because even that woman downstairs you

566
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: want to it's it's not impossible just to remember her

567
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: name when you say thank you, Judy, and to say

568
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: if you ever name me, if you have any idea, oh,

569
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: whatever the case is, here's who I am. You give

570
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: me a call. That woman will most likely ninety nine

571
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: percent never call you, but it will make that person

572
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: feel special, and you never know when you're gonna run

573
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 3: into her again, or well, she's gonna hear your name

574
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: and all of it. You know how many times I've

575
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: been someplace and somebody said, you took a picture of

576
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 3: my daughter in the airport walking down the street. And

577
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: that's why I called you five years later, because your

578
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: name came up and you didn't have to do that.

579
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Holy correct. So that's how I got into

580
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: the Washington Spirit. I had met a gentleman named Steve

581
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: Boblin at twenty seventeen, and he called me an early

582
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: twenty twenty during the during the pandemic and said, I'd

583
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: like to bring into my group to be part owner

584
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: of the Washington Spirit National Women's Soccer League club. And

585
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: literally is somebody who i'd met one time in my life.

586
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 1: And he remembered the meeting and called me back up

587
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I want to offer you the opportunity

588
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: to come into our ownership group. I'd like you to invest,

589
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: but I'm willing to also give you some give you

590
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: some equity in the team for just joining our group.

591
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: And that was literally from a person who I met

592
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: one time. So you can make an impression on somebody

593
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: one time. You may not know it yourself, but you

594
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: absolutely positively can make an impression upon somebody for one

595
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: meeting with them, and.

596
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: It can change your life. But you can also change

597
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: their life as well.

598
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 3: And so let's talk about those saw skills how they transferred,

599
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: because how you use those soft skills to move over

600
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: to uh you know, team ownership. Now, being a being

601
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: a fan of a team or a fan of a

602
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: sport and being an operating and or advisor or working

603
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: the sport are two totally different things. I tell people

604
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: I love the restaurant. I love some chicken wings I

605
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 3: was having at a restaurant. I invested in the restaurant.

606
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 3: And when I started to deal with having to hear

607
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: about insurance and labor laws and uh, you know, real

608
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: estate issues, I never went back to the restaurant again,

609
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: right now, dealing with being a player or a spectator

610
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: of a sport and then dealing with the intricacies or

611
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: running a team a lot of personalities as well as

612
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: people don't realize, or being a you know, in a

613
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: team whatever capacity, you know you're also a politician in

614
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: there because that team. I've learned this from Mark Cuban.

615
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: You know, he said when he first made some money

616
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: and he went and bought the MAVs, he thought he

617
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: could say what he wants. He thought he can throw

618
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 3: chairs on uh, you know, on courts and be a

619
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: bad boy, right, And he didn't realize that there were

620
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: three hundred reporters reporting on every one of his moves,

621
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: and that kids in communities looked up that's some of

622
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: the only hope they had was that team, and that

623
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: he had a bigger responsibility. This wasn't I could do

624
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: what the hell I want. These are families looking up

625
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: to it. There's responsibility that comes in working and in

626
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: the organization. How did you transfer those soft skills over

627
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 3: to this area. Because every one of the people listening

628
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: to us right now, inclusive of myself, we don't want

629
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: to be held in a box. We want to be

630
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: able to do other things that we like. But people

631
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: only you know, for Shark Tank, Damon just made baggajeans.

632
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: I was supposed to walk in the room with Bagga

633
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: jeans on gold teeth and start wrapping. That's how people

634
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: saw me before Shark Tank, and rightfully, so that's only

635
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: understanding they had of me. What you know, what is

636
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: it like being part of the operation and you know

637
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: those aspects of a team and and what do you do? Like?

638
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: What what do people do? Everybody has different positions, but

639
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: please tell me what is it like being in organizations

640
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: like that?

641
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Uh?

642
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: One?

643
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: I like you said something earlier when you talked about Mark,

644
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: but we talked about responsibility. So I think once you

645
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: kind of get past the luster and you pinch yourself

646
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: a couple of times and say, well, I can't you know,

647
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: I can't really believe I'm part owner of a major

648
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: league sports franchise. One is your relationships with the principal partners.

649
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 1: That's there all the time. But two, it's the fans

650
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: who the You talked about the responsibility in the neighborhood,

651
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: But to me, part of that part of that piece

652
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: is when someone buys a ticket to come to a

653
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: sports event, to me, they're investing in your You're investing

654
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: in your story, in your investment, in your in your portfolio.

655
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: They're actually investing in it. And so they now for

656
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: that brief moment of time while they're in that game

657
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: and participating with it. And certainly if they're a fan,

658
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: if they're buying T shirts and merchandise and there's posters

659
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: on the wall, they're investing in your portfolio, in your investment.

660
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: And to me, it is a.

661
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: Responsibility to them, and one to me that that, to

662
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: me is a humbling thing because you're thankful for that,

663
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: because they're making whatever you do blow up and be bigger.

664
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm conscious when I walk through Washington, not just on

665
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: game days, but on game days. I can almost get

666
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: a feel for an attendance of a game by seeing

667
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: how many people are wearing Nats jerseys during during the

668
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: during the season, or during a homestand more specifically, and

669
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: those people, to me, are buying into it when they

670
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: have that jersey and they're buying into it, and you

671
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: get a feel. I drive around on game days and

672
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: baseball we have generally home stands for about a week

673
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: to seven to ten day homestands and then we go

674
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: on the road, then we come back again. But for

675
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: that span of time from the beginning of April through

676
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: the end of September, that's our baseball season. So I'm

677
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: mindful of the team much more so during the season.

678
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm thankful when I walked walked throughout the city. There's

679
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: part of the responsibilities one being a part of a community,

680
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: being an owner in a community. Most of my investments

681
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: have been in end or around Washington, but as you mentioned,

682
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I've invested in Cape Town. I've got a couple more

683
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: coming up. But you're going to be in Australia, but

684
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: in the city to me that you live in, it's

685
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: much more of a responsibility to be a part and

686
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: parcel of what that is. As far as the responsibilities

687
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: on a day to day part ideally help with helping

688
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: to shape the ownership group and the front office leadership group,

689
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: and that comes to relationships and being participating. The Learner

690
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: family tell me early on that I could be as

691
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: involved or uninvolved as I wanted to be. I chose

692
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: to be involved, and I became the chairman of the

693
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: Minority Partners Group or the Founding Partners Group as we're

694
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: referred to, which are the black owners of the Washington Nationals,

695
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: Black and Latino owners of Nationals. So I try to

696
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: participate where it's an open opportunity for me, everything from

697
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: helping to shape how things are viewed with my media background,

698
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: but also how things run as well, and try to

699
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: be a part of making some good picks for key

700
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: c suite c suite leadership in a group that's a

701
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: small part of it. And then I consider myself an

702
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: ambassador of the team as well, and I participate from

703
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: everything from the gear that I wear and things like

704
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: that to speaking with people and building up the team.

705
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: I do a lot of public speaking. You mentioned volunteerism.

706
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: I've been chairman of the United States Congress's charity called

707
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: the US Congression Awards since two thousand and seven. I'm

708
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: a volunteer in that position. I've raised millions of dollars

709
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: and it's a charity for young people and helping them

710
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: grow through personal development, physical fitness, goal setting and development,

711
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 1: and volunteerism. It's called the US Congression Awards versus official

712
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: charity to young people.

713
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: And last one and thank you so much for for

714
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: all of this this knowledge you said, you said at

715
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 3: one point, you don't drink, you don't smoke, you don't

716
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 3: do other things like that. And you know, I find

717
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 3: that the most successful people, you know, addiction of whatever,

718
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 3: or a habit of whatever is bad, whatever it could be.

719
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: There is a fine line, right, even if it's an

720
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: addiction to or gaming what whatever, it is spending too

721
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: much time on something that is not necessarily building your

722
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: skill level and productivity. I don't think I've really talked

723
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 3: to too many you know, people about that publicly and

724
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 3: just you know, but we you know, a lot of

725
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 3: the a lot of the government, the Secret Service is

726
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: made up of Mormons, right, and various people who have

727
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: a high level of productivity due to the fact that

728
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 3: they may not have some of these some of these

729
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: kind of habits. How I don't think I've ever had

730
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: this discussion, definitely not publicly. How do you feel that

731
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 3: that has been really either add clarity to you or

732
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: it has increased your productivity or where do you think

733
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: that that has been in your benefit? And a lot

734
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: of times people have these what escapes, right, what do

735
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: you do to escape or what do you do to

736
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 3: zone out? I mean it could be working out. It

737
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: could be I don't know what it is, right, it

738
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 3: could be listening to some jazz.

739
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: Right.

740
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: How do you feel that has played a real benefit

741
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 3: in your life? Because I stopped drinking about two years

742
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: ago and I'm very, very productive prior to that, obviously, right,

743
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 3: But now I mean I'm unstoppable. I am, I am.

744
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: I am hungry than I was when I was twenty

745
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: seven years old. And it's not for money, right, It's

746
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: to be alive and to share this information and to

747
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: have this joy and see my little girls and see

748
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: my friends, and just do what's right and pay back

749
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: what I have been a beneficiary of from the Harry

750
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: Belafonte's and the Paxtons of the world. I want to

751
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: know where do you feel and how do you feel

752
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: about the fact that you didn't have necessary those vices,

753
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 3: maybe have others? And how do you release if you

754
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: don't have certain vices?

755
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: Great question and one that I'm not often asked a lot,

756
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: can't itly? I'm trying to like, as I was listening

757
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: to you talk about, I was trying to think, is

758
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: anybody ever brought it up in an interview.

759
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: About and this is that moment because I've never brought

760
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: it up either or I never thought about it.

761
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess it's second nature.

762
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: But damn, I can say that I'm aware that I'm

763
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: always conscious, like I'm like, you know, Napoleon Hill talks

764
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: about positive mental attitude and kind of like having that

765
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: be there all the time. I'm always conscious, So there's

766
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: never a moment where my mind is dulled or my

767
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: senses are dulled away and I'm not focused on business.

768
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: You and I have been together more times than you'd

769
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: actually know, because more often than not it was at

770
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: events or like the after party for a BT award,

771
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: and everybody in the room ninety ninety five percent of

772
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: the people in the room are drinking, and you know, hey,

773
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: God bless them.

774
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 2: That's you know, that's sure.

775
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: Nothing against anybody, but it's just that's not what's happening

776
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: with me. When I splurrege periodically, I'll drink a spray

777
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: because all the other times it's either water or club

778
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: soda or water with gas. And I'm always aware, like

779
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: just there's no point where somebody says, hey, man, you

780
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: know I was talking to you. You forgot, you know,

781
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: we were talking about this, this and that it's like, no, no,

782
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm on it. I didn't forget anything. I'm

783
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: crystal clear. It's you know, I'm consciously aware of what

784
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: it is, and I'm focused.

785
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: And I'm focused and I'm focused.

786
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: Because my mind is not dull by something and I'm

787
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: not like sidetracked by anything. So think about for all

788
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: of the all of the things that you've been through,

789
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: and all of the events that you've been through, all

790
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: the different parties that you've been through, like you were focused.

791
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: You have something that you were probably looking to accomplish

792
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: before you went into it, and when you ran across

793
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: a person who was there. It might be a famous personality,

794
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: or it might be a business personality that many people

795
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: in the room don't even know who that is, but

796
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: you know who it was because you know the business

797
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: that they're in, Like a private equity person, right, an

798
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: investment person who no one in the room is even

799
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: conscious of who that is, but you know who it is.

800
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: And you're trying to get to that side of the

801
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: room to vibe with that person because you know what

802
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to accomplish with him, And so when you

803
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: have here shot with them, your voice is not slow.

804
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: Your mind is not dull in any way, shape or

805
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: form you would point on, you know, I would just

806
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: briefly point out to my first relationship. The first time

807
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: I met Clarence Avon backstage at a concert January of

808
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one at the Old Cap Center in Landover, Maryland,

809
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: outside of DC. And in that conversation that I have

810
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: with Clarence, you couldn't believe that a black boy from

811
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: Compton was producing a festival in Amsterdam. And he's, you know,

812
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: you know Clarence's language, because I know you know him.

813
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: You know, He's like, you know, damn, but you know,

814
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: you know over at Amsterdam, Like what do you do? Like,

815
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: break down to me. You said you produced an event.

816
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: Tell me what you do? Like, I booked the talent,

817
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: I booked the venue, I booked the sound license stage.

818
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 1: I make sure the insurance is paid. I make sure

819
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: that the portagohn is there. I make sure this is secure.

820
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: So I break down all of production to him and

821
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: he's looking at me, wait, waiting for me to slip

822
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: up anywhere. And we kept talking and he was like, damn,

823
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: you know a negro in Amsterdam, And you know he

824
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 1: used a different word than that in Amsternam, I even

825
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: know they had black people over there, let alone you

826
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: little negro from Compton over there, you know effing with

827
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: that and like okay, you can come see me. And

828
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: that gave me the opportunity to sit at the feat

829
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 1: and study at Clarence Avon University as a thirty year old.

830
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: And that brother took me under his wing and taught me.

831
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: And had I not have been clear and focused with

832
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: that brief moment of time that I had with him,

833
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: and I had read up on this preparation as a

834
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: key critical piece to it. I had read up on

835
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: who he was. I knew who he was. Most people

836
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: in that whole venue out of twelve thousand people that

837
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: were there that night at a concert, very few people

838
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: to know who Clarence Avant was. But I did, and

839
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: I took my opportunity and to changed my life. So

840
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: being prepared for those little moments and nuggets of time

841
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: that you have are critical.

842
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: You may not have them.

843
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: So for you, somebody studying you and they point out

844
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: something like, you know, an obscure point early on in

845
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: your career, they picked your interests. They now have your

846
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: attention and it's up to them to take that moment

847
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: and do something correct with your attention that may change

848
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: their life. So for me, it was the same thing.

849
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: I take nothing for granted now you made it. Think

850
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: about a silver spoon earlier. That was funny because there

851
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: was no silver and a home in Compton in the

852
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. The youngest six kids black born in Compton.

853
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: You're leaving during the riots, they were no spoons at

854
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: all because we were burning the place down because of

855
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: the same things we've had seen and having recently. So yeah,

856
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 3: you had nothing.

857
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: You take that moment and you run with it and

858
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: you make the best of it. And that's been for me.

859
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: My whole career has been taking the best of those,

860
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: you know, singular moments and making the best of them.

861
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: So I can't say enough about preparation. I can't say

862
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: enough about savings, being prepared when those opportunities come along,

863
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: that you have the capital to invest in it. And

864
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: then charity by way of sharing what you have with

865
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: other people and volunteering. Volunteering the sharing part. Napoleon will

866
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: address that, like when you give away something, how you've

867
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: reinforced it yourself, your own awareness of the things that

868
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: you have that you have enough to share with others

869
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Speaker 1: and that reinforces that positivity within yourself and you can

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Speaker 1: continue to grow and make the world a better place.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you have done so much for us

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00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 3: as a culture and behind the scenes. And I have

873
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: one last question. And I don't know of you or

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00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: I how the am so this? I always say that

875
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: you know it is. It is sad, very very sad

876
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: that if you really reflect on this, I'm the only

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Speaker 3: African American on national television show that did not self made,

878
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: that did not come from music, sports to television, meaning

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Speaker 3: in the front side of entertainment. And I always say,

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00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 3: there are so many of us, and you're an example

881
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Speaker 3: of it, Bob Johnson, Kathy Hughes. But I've never been

882
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 3: on I've never been highlighted on the cover of any

883
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: African American magazine. Now I want to qualify that or

884
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: digital whatever it is by saying that, Well, I don't

885
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: know if I should be on a music one, and

886
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: definitely shouldn't be on a sports one. But I've been

887
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 3: on the cover of Ink and all these other ones.

888
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: Why aren't people like you and I but forget me,

889
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: I have that platform. Why aren't we internally and within

890
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 3: our communities celebrating more brilliant people like you and Kathy

891
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: Hughes and so many other people, because if we don't

892
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: celebrate ourselves, then why shouldn't anybody else? Right, Why aren't

893
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 3: we putting that out instead of them taking nothing away

894
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: from the athletes? Athletes are literally winning a lotto because

895
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 3: it is you know, there's not a lot of athletes

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00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: out there, and you're playing at the highest level. It

897
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: is very hard to be an athlete, an actor, or

898
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 3: singer anybody, right, But why aren't we celebrating more people

899
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Speaker 3: like you?

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Speaker 1: Well, you qualified the question and you said maybe you know,

901
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Speaker 1: maybe we don't know the answer to it, that that

902
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: was a great qualifier to it. I don't know the answer,

903
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: but I'd be willing to bet that there's never been

904
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Speaker 1: a day in your life that it's impeded you in

905
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Speaker 1: any way, shape or form from being the best that

906
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: you possibly can be. And as much as I'm thankful

907
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: to hear you say something to the effect of that,

908
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Speaker 1: it should happen, I'm thankful for that. And to me,

909
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: you simply just saying that to me has without exaggeration. Brother,

910
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: I want to tell you it's made my day, and

911
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: it's a blessing to me. There's never been a day

912
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Speaker 1: that I've ever woken up and actually taken any time

913
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Speaker 1: whatsoever to think about somebody's celebrating me or bemoaning the

914
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Speaker 1: fact that somebody hasn't done it. It doesn't even possibly mind.

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Speaker 3: Actually you got to do it because you want to

916
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: do it. Yeah, But you know, maybe maybe that was

917
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Speaker 3: just maybe just a call out to people to say,

918
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Speaker 3: show people Packston, show your your children, Paxton, right, because

919
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Speaker 3: it's great to see these music artists or these great

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00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: people who are doing great things. But we need the

921
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Speaker 3: people who are watching now to show their children, Paxton,

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Speaker 3: not Damon, look this Paxson. There's probably thousands of more,

923
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Speaker 3: you know, people that we don't know why, you know,

924
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: don't aspire to this, aspired to this greatness.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, I'm thankful. I'm thankful for it. Brother,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I've been when people sometimes say to you,

927
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Speaker 1: oh man, I've been following you for years, but I

928
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Speaker 1: literally I work for you back in uh nineteen ninety four,

929
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Speaker 1: ninety five, producing stages for you.

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Speaker 2: How about that.

931
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Speaker 3: I didn't know that then. And you know what, we

932
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Speaker 3: got to dinner, we're gonna go. We're gonna follow up

933
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Speaker 3: one for sure. I gotta I got a big a

934
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Speaker 3: list here for you already. Man. But but for the

935
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Speaker 3: purpose of everybody watching who they've been, they have invested

936
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Speaker 3: their time with us. I appreciate you so much, man,

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00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 3: and we learned a lot a lot of lessons from

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Speaker 3: you about the about communication, about uh, you know, knowing

939
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Speaker 3: how to be of service, about having the structure and

940
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: the fundamentals of business and knowing how to translate that

941
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Speaker 3: into other areas soft skills, giving, and so many other things. Man,

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Speaker 3: So thank you so much. And uh, I'm gonna, we're

943
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Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna hook up and I'm gonna follow you

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Speaker 3: right now.

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Speaker 2: That works.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, belove it, since Billy appreciates you. Wishing you

947
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Speaker 1: every continued some guy's many blessings and each and every

948
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Speaker 1: one of your steps.

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Speaker 3: That moment with Damon John is a production of the

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Speaker 3: Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from the Black

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952
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953
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: to subscribe to and rate the show. And of course

954
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: you can all connect with me on any of my

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Speaker 3: social media platforms. At The Shark, Damon spelled like Raymond,

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Speaker 3: but what a d