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Speaker 1: Unpacking the Toolbox is a production of Shondaland Audio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Iheartradiots. As Katie, I feel like we say

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Speaker 1: this every single time we do a podcast, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's true, Like sincerely this episode, Like I was sobbing

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Speaker 1: last night watching you were. Yeah, Like I watched it

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Speaker 1: twice and real times I was sobbing.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I'm trying to remember. I watched it last night too,

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Speaker 2: and now I'm like, guys, when you're old and you

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Speaker 2: fall asleep, I can't remember what I did last night,

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Speaker 2: and I was sober. I watched it completely sober. We

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Speaker 2: always had a TV in our train at Scandals, right,

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Speaker 2: mm hm? I never turned mine on, Gimi Camber never,

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Speaker 2: and you are such a like you need to have

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Speaker 2: something in the background. I feel like, so you had

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Speaker 2: always I Love Lucy one or maybe like twilight Zone?

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Speaker 2: Am I making that up?

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Speaker 1: No, you're right, that's exactly right. I would watch Twilight Zone,

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Speaker 1: I would watch I Love Lucy, I would watch horror films.

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Speaker 1: I'd bring DVDs, remember DVDs and CDs.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that must be noted about your trailer,

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Speaker 2: which was so cool. Not only did you always have

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Speaker 2: twilight Zone or I love Lucy On. But you always

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Speaker 2: had like a fucking cool ass lamp with like a

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Speaker 2: blanket over it or something, so it was very lighty.

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Speaker 1: Didn't you remember that? Yes?

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Speaker 2: So your trailer always had like amazing sort of mood lighting, Like,

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Speaker 2: regardless of the day, it was very Giermo, are you

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Speaker 2: affected by light? Are you like a light person? Are

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Speaker 2: you like it needs to be dim?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it needs to be dim. It needs to be

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Speaker 1: like a sort of an amber tone, like a reddish tone.

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Speaker 2: God, you must have walked into them, because the makeup

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Speaker 2: trailer couldn't be Oh god, you're polar opposite of that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you walk into a fucking hair and

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Speaker 2: makeup trailer, it is like landing on the sun at

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Speaker 2: I mean it's supposed to be all this great mirror

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Speaker 2: was so aggressive.

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Speaker 1: It's so aggressive, so hostile. So wait, what did you

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Speaker 1: do last night?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Last night was one of these insanely stupid and

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Speaker 2: annoying but also kind of fun mom situations where we

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Speaker 2: had a four pm birthday party at Skyzone trampoline part shit,

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Speaker 2: And I took both my kids by myself to an

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Speaker 1: Wait, did you get in the trampoline as well? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I fucking jump all over that shit. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: let's go. I put on an extra special bra for

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Speaker 2: it so that I wasn't scaring the peoples, and then

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Speaker 2: all of you mommy gladiators who are out there listening

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Speaker 2: two vaginal birds means that.

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Speaker 1: They're like it's hard to control.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that there's there's been some blowouts that have happened

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was going to ask you about that because

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Speaker 1: Yes, it just rumbles. Yeah, I love it. It's so good,

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Speaker 2: Voice ability to just really grumble. Well, this actress has

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Speaker 1: Whenever we see the like Mellie and Olivia, the Goons,

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Speaker 2: Wing rigging, but we're talking about the one, the only Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we got her in the toolbox.

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Speaker 1: Deborah Mooney has been in a lot of iconic shows

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Speaker 1: and movies like yes, I mean, you can't even imagine.

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Speaker 1: She was in a movie, one of my favorite movies

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Speaker 1: She played a character named missus Mallory. You have to

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Speaker 1: brilliant in that film. I mean, Terry Garr. Deborah Mooney

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Speaker 2: No, and we need to ask her about it. Also,

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Speaker 2: Deborah Mooney so fucking pretty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't even when she dies ri ip Verna,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this woman is fucking gorgeous, her hair, her eye color.

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Speaker 2: And then she's got that rumbly ass voice. Deborah Mooney.

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Speaker 1: You guys, I Verna.

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Speaker 3: Verna Thornton, Verna Thornton.

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Speaker 2: And we have just gotten to the episode where Verna,

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Speaker 3: Oh with a thought.

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Speaker 2: Verna, can you take us through? Do you remember how

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Speaker 3: No? I think they just called me and that's me by.

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Speaker 2: So it was just a straight offer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe so well. I mean, Deborah, you've done

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Speaker 1: like a million and ten things. You were in Seinfeld,

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: Did you always want to be an actor?

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Speaker 2: How did you get the idea?

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Speaker 3: That's what I wonder sometimes because as a little kid,

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: real life stuff. Deborah Moody, How did you find yourself

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Speaker 3: I came out here to see my daughter. I was

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Speaker 3: there was Charles Nolty. He directed a production of Streetcar,

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Speaker 1: What were you in this production, Debora? You were in

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Speaker 3: I was Blanche. Oh my god, I've been playing Blanche.

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Speaker 3: Tennessee came to see it and decided I was his

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Oh my god?

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Speaker 3: I am Did you never hear that story? I never

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Speaker 1: I am obsessed with street Car name desire, and so he.

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Speaker 3: Wrote about me in the New York Times. You can

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Speaker 3: look up Wow. I think if you google Deborah Mooney

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Speaker 3: Tennessee Williams in New York Times, it will come up.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Michael, I have the article right now. We're going

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Speaker 2: to need to link to it when this episode comes out.

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Speaker 2: March fourth, nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't need to say that, do we.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: This is so what an iconic role.

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Speaker 2: Stella a star like.

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Speaker 2: We are so lucky to have Verna Thornton, the one

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I had no idea Tom Verica directed

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Speaker 1: It's beyond the fact that the that we see fits

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Speaker 1: this show, it's a whole thing on its own, Like

445
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: it's it takes risk, and Seana is not afraid to

446
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: go there. Like I was completely floored when this happened,

447
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: Like when I read this.

448
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 2: Right, Deborah, do you remember shooting the scenes in this

449
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: episode that you had when you are your character has

450
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: called in David Rosen to tell him that the election

451
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: was rigged, But first your character calls in the president

452
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: because you said you wanted him to hear it from

453
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,199
Speaker 2: Verna first, Right, What the hell was that like?

454
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: To shoot?

455
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: Well, it was pretty incredible. I mean it all felt

456
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: very real that she would have the ancience way on

457
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 3: her and would decide to come clean, and that she

458
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 3: would let him. Know first, it makes sense to me.

459
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: How is it working with Tony Goldwyn? Was that a thrill?

460
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 3: I loved it? I just loved Tony. I mean, oh,

461
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: can you believe me? Up and kills me?

462
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: I mean, and he holds your arms down. It's so awful.

463
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: I helpe get him elected.

464
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: I mean, come, yes, yes, ingrate, ingrate, Yeah, but then

465
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: you did try to get him assassinated?

466
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: Is that? Well? You know?

467
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 2: This episode is so full. I mean, besides the incredible

468
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 2: Verna stuff, this episode also has in it this huge epic.

469
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: One of my favorite all time scandal scenes of all

470
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: time is a scene between Dan Bugatinski and Jeff Perry

471
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 2: and they both have this huge argument where James is

472
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: asking Cyrus, did you rig the election? I've been subpoena

473
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: and I'm supposed to testify and I need to know

474
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: did you or didn't you? And Cyrus says, take off

475
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 2: all your clothes? How am I supposed to know? If

476
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: you don't, if you're not bugged, if you don't have

477
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: a MIC on you.

478
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: Which Katie you noticed. He says, take off your clothes,

479
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: which is a throwback to when Fitz says to Olivia,

480
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: take off your clothes, but obviously this is a completely

481
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: different context, and.

482
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 2: So James takes off all of his clothes and then

483
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: he says, you take off your clothes like I don't

484
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: know if you're miked, And so they have this epically long,

485
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: five minute, twelve page one act that they're both naked,

486
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: where Cyrus admits and says, I was never going to

487
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: be president. I'm not pretty enough, I like boys, I'm sure,

488
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: and I don't have the right things to make up

489
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: of a president. But this is the closest I was

490
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: ever going to get that I could be the second best,

491
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: that I would be able to sway some things in

492
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: the White House, that I would be the chief of staff.

493
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: And so I did. I stole the election. It's an

494
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: amazing scene and so beautifully acted by both actors and

495
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: one of my all time favorite favorite favorite acting scenes.

496
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: Oh same, another super super like epic scenes was a

497
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: scene where that you have with Olivia with Kerrie Washington, Deborah,

498
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: how was it? How was it working with Carrie? Had

499
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: you met Carrie before?

500
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: No? I just loved her.

501
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: Oh, you two had a chemistry and the relationship between Olivia.

502
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: Did did I did? I really just adored her? From

503
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: the time I met her. She's some the beautiful woman

504
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 3: you know.

505
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: Yes, but the history, you too, created this incredible history.

506
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: It was effortless.

507
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: It seemed like you two had been in each other's

508
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: corners for a long time. Yeah, the hell out of

509
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 2: each other for a long time. Like even in the

510
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: beginning of this season, no one else knows that Vernon

511
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: Thornton's sick, and Pope is the only one that comes

512
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: and like sits with you in the hospital while you're

513
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: getting your chemo treatment, and she turns off her phone,

514
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: which she never does. And there are so many times

515
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 2: where Verna gives Olivia Pope advice about like that she

516
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 2: listened to you, Olivia listened to you.

517
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: But this scene, in this scene in particular, when she

518
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: goes to confront you about because she figures out with

519
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: Opa that you have paid Becky to assassinate the president,

520
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: that scene is just so powerful. But then we also

521
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: learned that Verna was doing it ultimately for the good

522
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: of the country, do you know what I mean? She's like, well,

523
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: if I killed him, then the country will then re

524
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: elect a president that will will be rightly you know, elected,

525
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: just exactly. So of course she decided to kill the president,

526
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: but she was doing it for the good of the country.

527
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: Such a powerful scene. And when Olivia's hearing you say

528
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: those things, and at the end you say something to her,

529
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: you say, chin up, Olivia. It's not like I'm getting

530
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: away with it, you know. Obviously she's on her way

531
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: out of this world. Oh it was just heartbreaking.

532
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Deborah Mooney, you had us in the palm

533
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: of your hands. The other part of this episode, I

534
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: have to mention there's a few. There's the huge Cyrus

535
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: James naked fight, there's the presidential murder of Verna Thornton,

536
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: and then the third for me is that Abby played

537
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: by Darby Stansfield, goes and even though she's in love

538
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: with David Rosen, she says, I love you, has sex

539
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: with him, and when he leaves to go to the

540
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: court for the day, she does end up breaking into

541
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: his safe and stealing the only evidence he has that

542
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: the election was rigged. He has the Cytron card, and

543
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: he comes back to Opa at the end and says,

544
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Abby Wheelin, you took the card. You took the card.

545
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: She's like, I did it, I did it, and he's like,

546
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: you tricked me. You said I loved you, and she

547
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: says I do. I do love you, David, and he

548
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: basically like, I'm never speaking to you again. I hate you.

549
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: He storms out, and Abby just starts breaking down and says, like,

550
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: I did it. I did get the card. And you

551
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: see that Abby chose to be a gladiator at Opa

552
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: versus being with the love of her life. She makes

553
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: a massive sacrifice to Olivia.

554
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: They were good, strong stories, weren't they.

555
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: Deborah. It's in like all the stuff we're talking about

556
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: happened in one.

557
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: Episodes.

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00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, we will be back with more after the break.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember, Deborah in previous episodes where you give

560
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: Kate Burton's character Sally Langston Huck's name, saying that Huck

561
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: is the one that is responsible for killing the president.

562
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? And then Huck gets waterboarded. I

563
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: was always so bummed that I didn't get to act

564
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: with you in I mean, we you know, our characters interacted.

565
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: But I am too, I am too. I would have

566
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: loved that.

567
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: When you shot your last take as Erna, what were

568
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: the feelings, what was the emotion?

569
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: Well, there's certainly a sadness about the character, but there's

570
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: also I think I felt like it had been a

571
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: story well told. I enjoyed doing it. The scripts were good,

572
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 3: and there's such a satisfaction in getting to do something.

573
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Speaker 1: Like that, and that it's gonna live on, right, I mean,

574
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna live on forever.

575
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

576
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. People are rewatching the show now on Hulu and

577
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: just sort of getting reintroduced, and some people are watching

578
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: it for the first time. So Verna's gonna live on forever. Verna.

579
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: How was it shooting that scene where you had to

580
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: be in the coffin? That was so unsettling.

581
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: Because at the end of this episode, the very end

582
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: of the episode, Carrie comes in and says, I did it.

583
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: I've given Edison back the ring, I've called off the engage.

584
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to be with him, and I will

585
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: wait for you. Fits. In the beginning of the episode,

586
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: Fitz says to Olivia, I'm leaving, Mellie. It might take

587
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: a minute, it might be dirty, but I'm done. Will

588
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: you wait for me? Will you wait for me? And

589
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: at the end of the episode, at your funeral, she

590
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: goes up to him and she says, I did it, Fits,

591
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: and I will I've decided like I will wait for you,

592
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: And Fitz says, now that he knows that you all

593
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: ring to the election, he says, never mind. No, It's

594
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: one thing to sleep with your mistress, is another thing

595
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: to marry her. He gives like a really low, horrible,

596
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: fucked up blow and Olivia's just devastated because she feels

597
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: so vulnerable and she finally made a choice. And then

598
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: he gets up and gives your eulogy. Oh, I know

599
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: which is over you in this casket, and you look

600
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: fierce as hell, like I was.

601
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: Saying before you so beautiful.

602
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, your hair had the most glorious blowout. Your makeup

603
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: looked amazing. I don't know what glorious suit land Polo

604
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: put you in, but you looked incredible.

605
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: I loved that suit that I wore, gorgeous.

606
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: Did you get to keep anything from set?

607
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 3: No, I didn't really. There was a black skirt that

608
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 3: I wore that I loved. I did go and find.

609
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: It good good, good good. And so that scene where

610
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: we see Verna in the coffin is sort of we're

611
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: jumping from that scene to the president and then we

612
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: finally see that fits Fitz kills Verna, and we're going

613
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: back and forth from him talking to you and you

614
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: telling him that you guys read the election. And it's

615
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: so powerful because there he is giving your eulogy and

616
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: at the same time we're seeing him like murder you.

617
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: He's just lying. He's saying like all these loving, funny,

618
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: no amazing things about verna.

619
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: Oh. I thought that was a brilliant writing, really, because

620
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: his usualgy is so when you know the truth is

621
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: just so incredible that you could say those things.

622
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you ever fall asleep in the casket?

623
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: No? I said, Now, it'll be half closed and half open.

624
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: Is that right, I asked before I went up there,

625
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: and they said yes, And I said, which half? Hey,

626
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: she's got great legs. No, So I knew I was

627
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: going to have some room, and I knew nobody's going

628
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: to be coming up and talking to me because they're

629
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: all out there and the casket was up on a thing,

630
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to have any visitors. So I

631
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: took my crossword puzzle, my New York Times crossword puzzle

632
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: I took.

633
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: I took all kinds of activities. I have an activity

634
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 4: bag that I take with me when I got work,

635
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: and I had lots of activities that I could choose from.

636
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: In fact, the camera mat at one boy it said

637
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: something about have you had a hamburger in there? I said, yeah,

638
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: you want bus.

639
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: That's so funny, Debora. So you could just hide it

640
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: in the casket, and.

641
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had also because I didn't want to, like

642
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: you said, I'm in a casket.

643
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: No, yeah, you didn't want to think about it too much.

644
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Burnon isn't thinking about it.

645
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: Right, Deborah. I do this thing on the podcast where

646
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with horror movies, and when I looked your

647
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: your work up, I saw that you did an episode

648
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: of Tales from the Crypt.

649
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 3: Eh. Yes, I had a hatchet in my head.

650
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You played a character named Ellen and

651
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: Tails from the Crypt. It was one of my favorite shows.

652
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: It was like an anthology show.

653
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 3: Do you remember that? Do you remember that show? Yes?

654
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: Of course, do you remember that experience? What that was like?

655
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, yes. First of all, I'm a bit cluster phobe,

656
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 3: quite cluster phobic, and I had to go out to

657
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 3: this place I forget where it was a ways away,

658
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 3: and they cover you totally.

659
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: To make a cast of your face, right.

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Speaker 3: A cast of your face, so that they can bury

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Speaker 3: the hatchet as.

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Speaker 1: It were exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. That really was terrifying. And so there was that

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Speaker 3: to deal with it. And then the day of my

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Speaker 3: parents were in town and they came with me and

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Speaker 3: they got me all into costume and and they got

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Speaker 3: the whole thing on with the hatchet, which was heavy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right in your forehead. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then they called lunch.

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Speaker 1: No, Oh my god, I.

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Speaker 3: Had to go across the street and eat at a

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Speaker 3: Chinese restaurant with a hatchet in my head and I

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Speaker 3: had to hold it like this because it was a heavy,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I had to sit at the table and hold it

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Speaker 3: with my parents.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I love that story.

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Speaker 2: By Deborah. Okay, so a couple things. One, we got

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Speaker 2: a BodyCount edition Verna Thornton. We've had Gideon Wallace got

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Speaker 2: stabbed in the neck with scissors, Amanda Tanner was killed

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Speaker 2: via injection and then dropped in the Potomac, and now

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Speaker 2: Deborah Mooney was murdered by the President himself through I

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Speaker 2: guess asphyxiation. Yeah, so we are adding Verna Thornton as

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Speaker 2: our third member of the Scandal podcast body Count. And

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Speaker 2: another fun fact, this is why this episode is so incredible.

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Speaker 2: When Scandal was renewed for a second season, the network

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Speaker 2: ABC only ordered thirteen episodes. This episode was originally meant

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Speaker 2: to be the season finale, but after receiving high ratings

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Speaker 2: within the first few episodes of the season, ABC quickly

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Speaker 2: ordered a full twenty two episode season. Oh but this

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Speaker 2: episode feels like like anally.

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Speaker 3: It does feels like I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: It feels like cliffhangers and wrapping up of intense things

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Speaker 2: and and it's jam packed and it's just amazing now

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Speaker 2: tweets at the time, tweets with the one I know

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Speaker 2: the demoney, Oh, we have a whole like thing going

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00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: on now, we're doing like picture me, like pictures of

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Speaker 2: Beyonce just saying Olivia girl, I need help. They saying

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Speaker 2: I lip synced. Oh, somebody at the time must have

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00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: been accusing Beyonce of lip singing, which I don't remember

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Speaker 2: what was happening either. There was a lot of obvious

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Speaker 2: problems at the time of this episode coming out that

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Speaker 2: Beyonce was being accused of lip singings. Oh, I think

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Speaker 2: the national anthem. If I heard.

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Speaker 3: That, I was wondering. I think it might have been

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Speaker 3: the national anthem.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, And then a lot of people are tweeting

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Speaker 2: pictures in response that Olivia Pope is saying it's handled by.

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Speaker 1: All to Beyonce and then thanks girl.

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Speaker 2: At Maya La Shawn tweeted, am I the only woman

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Speaker 2: who does not watch scandal? Hashtag it won't be hashtag

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Speaker 2: guard your heart? Hashtag Olivia Pope is nothing like Judy Smith.

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Speaker 1: But you're tweeting with us? Why are you tweeting with us?

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Speaker 1: Then listen? Can I just say real quick? If I

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Speaker 1: was tweeting right now during this time, I would have

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Speaker 1: tweeted that Deborah Mooney was in a production of Street

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Speaker 1: Carname Desires Blanche Dubois and Tennessee Williams was there in

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Speaker 1: person like my mind it.

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Speaker 2: Said she was the greatest Blanche of all the bland.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm going to go to bed with such a

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Speaker 1: huge smile on my face and just that makes me

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Speaker 1: so so happy. What an incredible experience it certainly was.

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Speaker 2: We are so lucky to have you on Unpacking the Toolbox,

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00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: and the Gladiators were so lucky that you were Thornton.

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00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 2: Because the second season is really when the show took

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Speaker 2: off and when the ratings came and Scandal became what

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Speaker 2: it is, and I am convinced wholeheartedly that is so

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Speaker 2: much in part because of you and your performance and

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Speaker 2: your portrail.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with you.

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Speaker 2: Well, come on over, have some brunch, right, I would

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Speaker 2: love that Deborah Mooney brunch.

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Speaker 1: But wait, bring the champagne.

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Speaker 2: But also gladiators. I just want to let you know

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Speaker 2: real quick. Next up, episode two fourteen, which is called

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Speaker 2: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. We don't remember what it's about, but

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Speaker 2: don't worry. We'll be watching it to make sure we

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Speaker 2: do remember and can talk to you all about all

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Speaker 2: the behind the scenes goings on. Thank you for listening,

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Speaker 2: and one more massive, massive round of applause for the

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Speaker 2: one and only Deborah Mooneyah, gentlemen, the greatest of the great.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for joining us on Unpacking the Toolbox.

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Speaker 1: If you enjoyed the show, please subscribe, share with your friends, rate,

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Speaker 1: or leave us a review.

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Speaker 2: Scandal is executive produced by Sandy Bailey, alex Alcea, Lauren Homan,

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Speaker 2: Tyler Klang, and Gabrielle Collins. Our producer and editor is

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Speaker 2: Vince de Johnny, with music by Chad Fisher.

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Speaker 1: Scandal is a production of ABC Signature, and you can

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Speaker 1: follow along by rewatching Scandal on Hulu.

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