1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: Who loves you the most in the world, Mommy who 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: would take a bullet for you, Mommy who's there taking 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: care of you when you're sick at night, when you 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: scrape your knees, when you're growing up and you need 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: direction or a place to come home to mommy. But that, 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, was not the case for a little 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: seven year old girl, Olivia Gent. This little girl seemingly 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: had lived through so many serious, serious health ailments, surgeries, 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: all sorts of invasive procedures, all the while Mommy stood 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: by taking care of Olivia. Or did she now Olivia 11 00:00:51,440 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: is dead? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace it was a 12 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: sad but her warming tail. Little Olivia gat emerging from 13 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: a limousine as bat Princess two years ago. She said, 14 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: I want a battle with Batman. We're on a battle 15 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: or so We're on a battle Captain Hook and save 16 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: bell Inaria. The mother described it as a wish come 17 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: true for a child with the terminal illness Olivia, fighting 18 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: alongside her hero Batman attacked their foes. A go fund 19 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: me paige set up by the mom claimed Olivia had 20 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: a degenerative disease that attacks the vital Organs, another princess 21 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: trouble about Olivia was reported to have been placed in hospice. 22 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: Karen died in two thousand and seventeen. Little Olivia now dad. 23 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: Mother thought the fight bringing her daughter to the emergency 24 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: room starting at age two when the little girl started 25 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: having trouble eating. Since that time, this little girl has 26 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: been in and out, and in and out of the hospital. 27 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: Then she dies in hospice. But now a disturbing turn 28 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: in the story. I'm nazy, Grace, this is crime stories. 29 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Listen to our friends 30 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: at CBS four Denver. The Make a Wish Foundation made 31 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: this little girl's biggest dream come true because it thought 32 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: she was dying. But it turns out Olivia again might 33 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: not have been sick at all. Her mother told everyone 34 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: Olivia had an incurable and untreatable disease, but now investigators 35 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: say Kelly Turner made it all up. She has charged 36 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: with murder. According to court documents. Olivia was first treated 37 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: in Colorado back in twenty thirteen and two thousand and fifteen. 38 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: Her mom started to go fund me page asking for donations. 39 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: In February of twenty seventeen, the Make a Wish Foundation 40 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: granted Olivia's wish that August. She passed away. More than 41 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: a year later, the investigation into Kelly Turner began. Olivia's 42 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: body was even exhumed. At the first er visit, a 43 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: doctor thought the little girl appeared to be growing normally. 44 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: But the very next year, in less than twelve months, 45 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: another sergeant at the very same hospital, removed this little 46 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: girl's part of her intestine and inserted a feeding tube 47 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: into what we now know was a healthy child. Very quickly, 48 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: her mother, Kelly Turner, was presenting her daughter as a 49 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: dying child with a list of various ailments and diseases 50 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: and a list that we call a bucket list, a 51 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: list of wishes. The mom seeking massive donations to help 52 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: fulfill her dreams cashing a bad guy with Cobbs being 53 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: a firefighter to make a Wish Foundation, even through a 54 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: quote back Prince's costume party at a fancy hotel that 55 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: cost over eleven thousand dollars, joining me an all star panel. 56 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensic expert, founder of Bare Bones Consulting. Jeff Cortesi, 57 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: former special agent with the FBI. You can find him 58 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: at Jeff Cortesi dot com Sharon Leko joining me. Denver 59 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: lawyer also with me a very special guest who actually 60 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: helped some of this little girl's dreams, the seven year 61 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: old little Olivia now dead come true. You may not 62 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: believe it because on TV he appears to be a 63 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: gruff Denver Bill Bodsman who appeared on Dog the Bounty Hunter. 64 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: But this guy, Bobby Brown, actually spent his time and 65 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: is money to make this little girl's wish come true. 66 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: But first to crime online dot Com investigative reporter Levi Page, Levi, 67 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: how many times did this seven year old, healthy little 68 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: girl gets said to the hospital? Too many times to count. 69 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: Nancy and her mother, Kelly Turner, claimed that she had 70 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: a disease that attacked the organs the digestive system, claimed 71 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: that she suffered from seizures. A doctor that examined her 72 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: said there's no sign that she suffers from seizure told 73 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: her to quit giving her anti seizure medication. Her mother refused. 74 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: She also claimed that Olivia had built up a fluid 75 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: in her cavities in the brain. That turned out not 76 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: to be true, and this little girl sadly died as 77 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: a result of all of this. Her mother said she 78 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: could not eat, she could not drink, so they put 79 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: her on a feeding tube. The doctor said, she's not 80 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: going to be able to survive just on the nutrients, 81 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: so her mother said, take her off. They took her 82 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: to hospice, and her mother gave medical employees strict orders 83 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: not to resuscitate her, and she died. I just can't 84 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: get over it, just standing there at your daughter's bedside 85 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: and watching her starve to death. Karen Smith, forensic expert. 86 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: I hope that hospice is tricked out with surveillance video 87 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: to get all this on camera. You know, last night 88 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: I made Swedish meatballs in the crop pot. I asked 89 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: the Tuesday they want mashed potatoes or pasta? They picked pasta. 90 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: My daughter and she's just eleven, Karen. All these little 91 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: girls at her school they ate nothing but let us. 92 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: Yeah at that age, yes, Karen, I know, she's just eleven, 93 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: and I know, and I call those little girls they 94 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: let us bunch like Karen's. But yes, that's what I 95 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: call them. To Lucy, not to anybody else. But every day, 96 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: first thing they get in the car and say what 97 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: was for lunch? To make sure Lucy ate, to make 98 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: sure she didn't have lettuce like her other skinny friends. 99 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: So long story short, I stand by them and make 100 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: sure they eat. This mom. I don't have a problem 101 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: with John David, you know, I've hide the candy from him. 102 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: But this mom stood by and LEVI didn't you just 103 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: say she ordered them not to give her daughter any 104 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: life sustaining nutrients. Just let her die? Correct? Oh, dear 105 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: Lord in heaven, I mean, Karen Smith, how are you 106 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: going to prove that? Well, listen, They're gonna have to 107 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: go back to these medical records. It's gonna take some digging. 108 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: Here's what I don't understand. The death certificate has listed 109 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: this little girl's death is undetermined, and yet the mother 110 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: is being charged with homicide. So that first of all, 111 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 1: they're gonna need to get that changed immediately. It changed 112 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: the death certificate to matter of death homicide the cause 113 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: of death. You know, I don't know if what they 114 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: can list as far as organ failure or these intestinal 115 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: problems that we're listed, but the doctors that we're treating 116 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: this little Olivia are going to have to be questioned. 117 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: The medical records are going to have to be gone 118 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: through with a fine tooth comb and they're going to 119 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: have to find out when she started bringing the daughter 120 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: to the doctors. She was doctor shopping. They moved from 121 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: Texas to Colorado. This is typical in these cases, so 122 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: doctor shopping, Who was treating her when, what were they 123 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: treating her for? How was her health before? How did 124 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: it decline? All of those things are going to come 125 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 1: into play, and the first thing they have to do 126 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: is change that death certificate. The mom thanking the illness 127 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: for money is one thing, but letting the daughter die 128 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: is something altogether different. With me a special guest Bobby 129 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: Brown Denver Bail Bosman, who actually helped the Olivia Gant 130 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: family trying to make poor little Olivia's dreams come true. 131 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friend 132 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: Karen Morphit at CBS for Denver. You could give me 133 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: all the money in the world and I'll give it 134 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: back to you to be able to watch this again. 135 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: Their hollow words now, as investigators believe Turner's motivation was 136 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: both attention and money. Multiple Go fund Me accounts show 137 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: she collected thousands of dollars from good people, even refusing 138 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: to pay local businesses simply wanting to help, including the 139 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: cemetery where her daughter is now laid to rest. What 140 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: has happened to us pales in comparison to what's happened 141 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: to Olivia, So it's certainly not about us. It's all 142 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: about Olivia, and we hope that justice can be served. 143 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: Now Make a Wish Again was among those who helped 144 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: make that bucket list happen. They released a statement that, 145 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: in part says they are disturbed by the allegations and 146 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: that their procedures for granting oh wish requires a referral 147 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: from the child's medical team. Now Make a Wish goes 148 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: on to say that as they seek to learn more 149 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: about this circumstances surrounding Olivia's death, that they hope that 150 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: granting her wish brought some joy to her tragic life. 151 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Dear Bobby Brown. My name 152 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: is Kelly and I am a mother of three beautiful girls. 153 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: Hannah is twelve, Sam is four, and Olivia is two. 154 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: Sam was diagnosed with non Hodgkins lymphoma over a year 155 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: ago and we've been battling ever since. My youngest Olivia 156 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: has an inoperable brain tumor and a vascular malformation of 157 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: the brain, as well as several other neurological issues. Hannah, 158 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: my oldest, is a huge fan of yours as well 159 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: as Dog. As the older sister, Hannah has had to 160 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: give up a lot because most of my time back 161 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: home is spent driving to the hospital four days a 162 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: week for Sam's chemo and radiation, and four days a 163 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: week taking Olivia to therapy, doctor's appointments, and school. To 164 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: the last two years, things have been extremely rough, but 165 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: Hannah never complains. She never gets mad when I say 166 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: we can't do that, or we don't have the money 167 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: this month, or when we have to cancel plans because 168 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: I have ended up in the hospital or Olivia. I 169 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,359 Speaker 1: know that it would mean the absolute world to Hannah 170 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: if we could just come by and meet Bobby Brown. Well, Kelly, 171 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: I honestly think we can do a lot better than that. 172 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: You are hearing the voice not only Bobby Brown, who 173 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: is with us exclusively today, but you are hearing Olivia 174 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: gat this little girl now did thanks to her mother. 175 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: According to prosecutors, you are hearing Kelly Turner's voice as 176 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: she's voicing for us in this video what she begs 177 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: Bobby Brown to do. Now Denver Bell Bonsman, famed Bell 178 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: Bondsman who appears all the time on Dog the Bounty Hunter, 179 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: actually reached into his pocket and spent his time trying 180 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: to help this little girl and make her wishes come true. 181 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: Bobby Brown number one, I am so knocked out by 182 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: your love and your generosity toward this beautiful little girl. 183 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: And I'm also sorry you got ripped off to the 184 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: tune of thousands, but I'm more sorry to find out 185 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: what's happened to this little girl Olivia. Again, Bobby, how 186 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: did you meet the mother, Kelly Turner and the little 187 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: girl Olivia? It was a shimple meeting. I received an 188 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: email and notification from them from the mom, Kelly, and 189 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: she explained about she had and I was under the 190 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: impression in the beginning that that at least two of 191 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: the three daughters may have a terminal disease, and gosh, 192 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: it just sounded like a horrible thing. But I'm Kelly 193 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: was extremely you know, because what happened is that I 194 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: got the email, so we had numbers to go back 195 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: and forth to each other. So I so I'll give 196 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: her a call, and I'll be honest, I get tons 197 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: and tons and tons of stuff because I volunteered to 198 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: do cold cases and uh, you know, so you just can't, 199 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: you can't do it at all. But this case really 200 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: really touched me by the way that that Kelly presented 201 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: it and and I mean the mom she had, you 202 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: would think that she was a a doctor from Boston 203 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: College or somewhere, that she had all of these medical 204 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: terms and explained to me about the disease that whatever 205 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: you had, and uh and the fact that Aunt Hannah, 206 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: her oldest daughter, was a huge fan of Dog the 207 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: Bounty Hunter and and me, you know, I'm the McMahan 208 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: of Dog Band Bounty Hunter them, I said beside there. 209 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: But I was able to uh get with Kelly and 210 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: make arrangements for the mom with Kelly and the three 211 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: girls through a friend of mine here in Colorado Springs. 212 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: I reached out to a couple of buddies to see 213 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: if they would be interesting and helping this little girl. 214 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: It was Christmas time and this family that was suffering 215 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: from this horrific I mean, you look at these little 216 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: girls as three girls, and they looked like Shirley Temple, 217 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: and I mean that was the that was the key 218 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: where they where they nailed me. Was I got. When 219 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: I got to meet them and see them, I was hooked, 220 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: and you know, I did it from my heart. I 221 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: don't know how many times during this entire time that 222 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: we filmed this, and it was all filmed on video 223 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: because we were doing an episode of something I was 224 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: working on. So everything I'm telling you is all on video. 225 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that it will help law enforcement because 226 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: there was a there's a lot of interview with Kelly 227 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: and I and how she described all of this, and 228 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: you know, and you'll see pictures of me with these 229 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: girls and an arcade having a great time. Bobby, I 230 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: have watched the video in full. Our friend, your friend 231 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: and mine, Alan Duke sent it to me and I 232 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: watched it in full. If it weren't for him, I 233 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't have known that you were one of the people 234 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: that got fleeced. To the tune of thousands, we are 235 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: talking to the Bobby Brand, the star on Dog, the 236 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: bounty hunter who opened up his wallet and spend his 237 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: time and his love to help this seven year old 238 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: little girl, Olivia Gat now dead thanks to mommy, who 239 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: apparently apparently suffers from munch housing by proxy, a condition 240 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: where an adult invents medical conditions for their child so 241 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: they the parent can get all the attention, the sympathy, 242 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: the love, the admiration, and in Kelly Turner's case, the 243 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: money thousands and thousands of dollars. But in this case 244 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't just fraud and a rip off. It ends 245 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: in the little girl's death where mommy stands by the 246 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: bed like a ghost, like a ghoul, and orders doctors 247 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: not to put her on feeding on nutrients, on food 248 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: intravenously to let her die. That's what's being alleged. You 249 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: can look at Bobby Brown's a video at crime online 250 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: dot Com. I've watched it so many times because I 251 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: was looking at the little girl. Take a listen to 252 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: this to see the excitement on Verse days. I knew 253 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: that whatever we were going to do from that minute forward, 254 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: it was going to be four people. When they came 255 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: to put microphones on, I was like thinking, like maybe 256 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna be filmed or something. And then when I 257 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: came down and saw Bobby Barren, I was just like 258 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: like all excited and overwhelmed because I never thought I'm meeting. 259 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: Going to his office was really cool because I've seen 260 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: it on TV and I never thought i'd get to 261 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: go in. It grabs people the reason that I'm not 262 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: getting this pictures because I took the picture and that's 263 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: why these are really cool pictures because nobody else has 264 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: and showed me a lot of cool stuff. So I 265 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: was just that they've missed court. Okay, so immediately did 266 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: can we know? And then we call right here. Since 267 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: Hannah gives up much of her time for her sisters, 268 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to do something special just for her. I 269 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: read Hannah at a letter her mom sent and then 270 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: had a present waiting in my office. He gave me 271 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: some of the pictures that can't took like no one 272 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: else has them. I'm decided to find out what else 273 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: is coming. I just I don't know what to expect. 274 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: I didn't expect that and it happened. You can see 275 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: this video at crime online dot com where you see 276 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: Bobby Brown trying to make this little girl living against 277 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: the wishes come true and the mother, Kelly Turner, hovering 278 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: around all smiles for the camera, but prosecutors say she 279 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: is the one that caused her own daughter's death, insisting 280 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: her little girl in her hospice care and then pushing 281 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: doctors to stop feeding her till she dies. Crime Stories 282 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. In my thought, I says, no twelve 283 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: year old would ever think my sister needs to die 284 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: for change to my mom's sick. So I'll just do 285 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: it my three girls and my heroes, and she's one 286 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: of my biggest I couldn't have done this trip without her, 287 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: that's for sure. You know. It's compelling to me to 288 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: try to do something special for her, and what a 289 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: Tian year to do it. Nobody knew that there was 290 00:19:53,640 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: one big surprise left. We had arranged for the old 291 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: Santa from the North Pole to be here at the hotel. 292 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: It's so very nice to see you. How all of 293 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: a sudden they seem the real Santa Claus and it 294 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: was just an amazing woman. Hi Santa? What good? Yeah? Yeah? 295 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: What did you get? How? My? Yeah? Okay, that's just 296 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: breaking my heart. You are hearing the TV star of 297 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: Dog the Bounty Hunter, Bobby Brown, a Denver bill old bodsman, 298 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: who got a letter from this little girl's mom. The 299 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: little girl, seven year old Olivia, the mother Kelly Turner, 300 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: asking to make Olivia's dreams come true by I guess 301 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: getting a signed photo. But Bobby Brown, the TV star, 302 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: goes out of his way and he flies the family 303 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: to him. And you were just hearing where who a 304 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: child's wildest dreams would show up but Santa. And it's 305 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: making me think of my children and how thrilled they 306 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: are on Christmas Morning, and how much planning and preparation 307 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: Santa goes through just for that one moment of joy. 308 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: And then Bobby Brown arranges out of the blue to 309 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: have Santa Claus flown in from the North Pole to 310 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: surprise these girls, including Olivia. Olivia is dead, Olivia again, 311 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: just seven years old, whose bucket list of wishes just 312 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: breaks your heart. But a grid jury in the last 313 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: day said this little girl did not die from a disease. Instead, 314 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: she died of murder by her mother. Another thing I 315 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: don't understand is when this mom insists that her daughter 316 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: go into hospice care where she dies. The doctors didn't 317 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: say hey, wait, wait wait, They just go along with 318 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: her desire to stop feeding her own child. With me, 319 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: Bobby Brown, who shelled out thousands to make the little 320 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: girl's wishes come true at the behest of her mother, 321 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: now called a murderer, Sharon Lycho Denver lawyer, Jeff Cortezi FBI, 322 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: Karen Smith, forensic expert and Crime Online dot Com investigative 323 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: reporter where you can read this and all other breaking 324 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: crime and justice news. Leave I page to Sharon Lecho, 325 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: Denver lawyer. Sharon, what does it mean that this little 326 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: girl did not die of any intestinal failure? She has 327 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: been exhumed and doctors are trying to figure out why 328 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: she really died. Why did the doctors at the hospital 329 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: go along with the mother's plan. That's a great question. Supposedly, 330 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: somebody who has Munchhausen by proxy is really adept at 331 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: understanding and speaking medical language and persuading the medical personnel 332 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: that their child is sick. Um. Oh, daughter, Sharon Leco, 333 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: I want to follow up on something you just said. 334 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: Sharon Lyko, renowned lawyer in the Denver jurisdiction, just said, 335 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: these typically their mothers, which is bizarre because that's the 336 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: person you think is going to love you the most 337 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: that have this munchhouse and by proxy. Sharon Leco just says, 338 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: the moms know all the medical language. Bobby Brown TV 339 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: star on Dog the Bounty Hunter. You said you just 340 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: said the mom taught like she was a doctor from 341 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: Boston College, explain what you mean by that? And she 342 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: I mean she explained how literally. I mean, she went 343 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: into details about how the eating disorder about her head was, 344 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, not the right size, and and and you know, 345 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: in all honesty, I look and I swear, I bet 346 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: I could not tell you how many times. And I'm 347 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: not ashamed to say it that I've tried listening to video, 348 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: watching that video and looking at Kelly Turner knowing that 349 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm pouring my heart out and not only regret one 350 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: second of it, not one, but knowing that that woman 351 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: was doing this on purpose, and she had plans that 352 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: apparently she because she was already saying that the oldest 353 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: daughter that she was having issues, so that, you know, 354 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: it just it is absolutely sick me that when I 355 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: look at this and she tells me and she cries 356 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: and get ready a real tears or coming out of the 357 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: the moms about how I did all of this and 358 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: what a wonderful thing. And you know, I guess the 359 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: only thing that gives me a little bit of consolation 360 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: is the fact that there were other TV stations. I mean, 361 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 1: this thing kind of went around the internationally. I mean 362 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: that just this port a little girl and her bucket list, 363 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: and but you know, I just want to say one 364 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: thing real quick, and that is that one thing that 365 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: bothers me tremendously. And y'all just touched on it and 366 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: gave some good reasoning, But they had a care shelved 367 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: out five hundred and thirty eight thousand dollars on little Olivia, 368 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: and it just absolutely And I understand that the people 369 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: that have one that are into the munchhouse and that 370 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: they really they learned the technology and vocabulary, but I 371 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: don't know how you could. And there were eleven other 372 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: doctors that looked at examined or after the autopsy, or 373 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: after she had been exhumed, and they did an independent 374 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: autopsy and they still didn't find anything wrong with it. 375 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: So my question is who did all of these surgeries 376 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: to the little girl, Who prescribed brought all of this medication, 377 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: and who helped precipitate, who helped ALP. Kelly carry out 378 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: this bizarre mccop a plan that she had and you know, 379 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 1: and they can call it a disease, I call it 380 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: a disease of money, and that it was greed that 381 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: she wanted. This was her method that hey upon this 382 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: little girl, and it's just absolutely infuriates me and all 383 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: that somebody else. It's awful, terrible. This little seven year 384 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: old girl was told she didn't have long to live, 385 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: so her mother helped her then six year old girl 386 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: make a quote bucket list. A little girl was using 387 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: a wheelchair and a feeding tea, but her mother, Kelly Turner, 388 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: says she was a quote fighter and her last wishes 389 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: the gold girl wrote a bucket list with a sharpie 390 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: on a lime green posterboard. Be a fireman, feed sharks, 391 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: catch a bad guy with the police. And the months 392 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: before this little girl died, the Denver Police Department the 393 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: local fire department made her wishes come true. Make a wish, 394 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: they were a surprise and on go fund Me, mommy 395 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: raised over twenty thousand dollars from medical treatment, claiming Olivia 396 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: was fighting a rare, incurable ailment and after years of 397 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: ordering invasive surgeries in countless hospital stays, the little girl's 398 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: pain came to an end with mommy standing by Sharon 399 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: Leco What about all these doctors that went along with mommy? Well, 400 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: that's my question. I mean, obviously the mother is sick 401 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: to what extent I don't know whether the Munchhausen actually 402 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: clouds their judgment, whether she really believed that the kid 403 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: was sick, or she's intentionally with premeditation deciding the maker 404 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: kids sick and ultimately die for the attention. I don't know, 405 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: well what times the premeditation, Sharon. I mean, this was 406 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: done over a long period of time. She raised thousands 407 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: and thousands of dollars, There were multiple invasive surgeries, even 408 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: removing part of the girls intestine and more. I mean 409 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: that is clear premeditation. Premeditation can be formed in an instant, sure, 410 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: I agree with that, But whether the premeditation was actually 411 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: conscious or what was a result of the disease, the 412 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: mental illness that she has, I think is what's going 413 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: to be pivotal in the sentence that she receives, whether 414 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: she receives life or death, or whether she's adjudicated as 415 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: mentally impaired and ends up in a mental hospital. Munchhausen 416 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: by proxy, though, does not rise in any way to 417 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: legal insanity. For legal insanity, you have to know. Under 418 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: the old McNaughton rule brought over from Great Britain in 419 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: our common law, you have to not know what you're 420 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: doing is wrong at the time of the sent not 421 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: whether you're confident in Santchroal, but at the time you 422 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: did it, you didn't know it was right or wrong. 423 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: And clearly she lied for years and covered her tracks. 424 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: In fact, she was such a good liar to you. 425 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: Jeff Cortazzi, former special agent with the FBI at Jeff 426 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: Cortazi dot com. How would you go about working up 427 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: this case? Cortazi? And I'm not letting the doctors off 428 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: the hook. She may be the devil, but they were 429 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: bills above and letting this little girl die. Jeff, candidly, 430 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: you know, I feel like Kelly's ability to speak the 431 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: language of the various illnesses that her daughter allegedly had 432 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: was born out of necessity. Fraudsters need to be able 433 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: to speak the language and understand the triggers of their 434 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: audience in order to be successful, and she seemed to 435 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: have done that very well. You know, Ultimately, I think, 436 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, people want to see the best in each other, 437 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: especially against claims of a dying child. But you know 438 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: that that large outstanding question remain as it relates to 439 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: the doctors. How did this go on so long? You know, 440 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't as if Kelly was claiming her daughter had 441 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: an unknown disease, right she was claiming specific diseases, So 442 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: specific diseases against medical testing which said she didn't have 443 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: the disease would be a huge red flag if it 444 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: was an instance where she was claiming unknown disease, we 445 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: don't know what the problem is, and the doctor said, yeah, 446 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: we've We've spent years looking into this and found nothing. 447 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: That's a different approach or a different level of culpability, 448 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: a degree of responsibility the doctors might have. If you're 449 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: claiming publicly a specific disease and the doctors are saying, 450 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: which minute, this kid does not have that disease, and 451 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: they don't raise their hand, the law enforcements, red flags 452 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: are gonna be going your way up crime stories with 453 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: anti Grace. Seven year old Olivia Gant's story was as 454 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: touching as it was tragic. People were told she was 455 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: suffering from a terminal illness. In the months before she 456 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: died in twenty seventeen, she made a bucket list including 457 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: catch a bad guy with police, so the Maker Wish 458 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: Foundation and the Denver Police made her batwoman for a day. 459 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: CBS affiliate Casey nc's reporter Dylan Thomas covered the story. 460 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: When we saw her, she was energetic, a little shy, 461 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: but soft spoken at the same time, determined to do 462 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: the task at hand, which was taking down other bad villains. 463 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: Now it turns out her mother, Kelly Renee Turner, might 464 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: be the villain. She has been indicted by a Colorado 465 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: grand jury on two counts of murdering her daughter and 466 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: multiple accounts of fraud for stealing half a million dollars 467 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: from Medicave, as well as twenty two thousand dollars in 468 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: a go fund to me page for Olivia. And that 469 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: is just the tip of the iceberg. You're hearing our 470 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: friend Barry peter Sen at CBS News, Wow, forget about 471 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: the money for a moment. What about the little girl? 472 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: She's dead with me Levipage Crime online dot Com. Karen 473 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: Smith Barebon's consulting. Jeff Cortizi, former special agent FBI. Sharon Likeo, 474 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: renowned Denver attorney to Bobby Brown TV star on Dog 475 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: the Bounty Hunter, who spent thousands of dollars trying to 476 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: make the little girl's wishes come true way in Bobby Brown. 477 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: But I'd like to hit on something that just came 478 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: up a minute ago about her going to hospice, you know, 479 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: and the you know, I was a homicide detective and 480 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: I was in charge of her homicide bureau. And one 481 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: thing that I can't put my arms around, you know. 482 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: And it's not like it's I'm on a guilt trip 483 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: about Gosh, if I would have only known this little 484 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: girl could still be alive, sure, I would give anything 485 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: if that would be if that would have happened. However, 486 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: when they put her who she was placed in hospice, 487 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't just drag somebody up to the 488 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: hospice and say here you are hospice. We all realized, 489 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: regretfully both of my parents died in hospice, that when 490 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: you go to hospice, you don't come out. So when 491 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: Kelly made arrangements through whomever to get Olivia into hospice, 492 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: Kelly knew absolutely she wasn't getting good any better, had 493 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: she lost weight, had all these things happened, Why did 494 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: she go to hospice? And knowing that when you go in, 495 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: you don't come out, so she knew that was going 496 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: to be the end of Olivia. And there's just there's 497 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, she can claim PTSD, she 498 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: can claim a lot of things, but she did a 499 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: lot of things with a lot of thought for a 500 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of time. You know what, Bobby Brown, you just 501 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: gave the her fit closing argument for the state. This 502 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: is what we know. In the last days, the Douglas 503 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office has announced that Mommy Kelly Turner, forty 504 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 1: one years old, is charged with first degree murder, fraud, 505 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: and theft for allegedly inventing her daughter's illnesses for years 506 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 1: before finally leaving her to die. It's a thirteen count indictment. 507 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: This little girl dies at age seven, and before that, 508 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: mommy put her in hospice, insisting that her quality of 509 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: life was so bad she should be withdrawn from all 510 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: medical treatment, withdrawn from all feeding, no feeding through the 511 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: feeding tube. Just let her daughter lie in the bed 512 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:59,320 Speaker 1: and die. She even insisted on a due not resuscitate order. 513 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: Levi Page crimal line dot Com investigative reporter. Isn't it true? Now? 514 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: Nearly a dozen doctors are saying that's not what happened, 515 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: and that mommy benefited from all the attention. As a 516 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: matter of fact, mommy posts the daughter's bucket list for 517 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: her quote terminally ill daughter and it goes viral Levi, 518 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: you're correct, Nancy. And she actually started a blog when 519 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: she was basically a baby and was blogging about all 520 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: the fictitious illnesses that she had, and you know, doctors 521 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: became suspicious. And they really became suspicious after the child 522 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: died when she took her older at the time eleven 523 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: year old daughter to the doctor and said that she 524 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: was having bone pain. And the doctors that treated Olivia said, 525 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: wait a second, something is suspicious here. They contacted authorities 526 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: and say you need to look into Olivia's death because 527 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: now she's bringing her older daughter into the doctor. That's 528 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: in my way. Who contacted authorities? Levits Holy moly. Then 529 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: she started up with a second daughter has just like 530 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: what Bobby Brown said that she kept referring to the 531 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: other daughter's ailments to Karen Smith, forensic expert, Bare Bones 532 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: Consulting founder. You know, they exhumed little Olivia's body. It 533 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: takes a lot to get an examation order. What does 534 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: it mean to exume a body? Well, that's after a 535 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: body has obviously had a grave side, it's been buried, 536 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: and they exhumed the cough in the casket. It's a 537 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: very delicate process. Now I don't know whether little Olivia's 538 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: body was embalmed. That's going to make a big difference 539 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: if she was it. You can still do microscopy on 540 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: the organs, you can still do some analysis of the brain, 541 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 1: the liver, the kidneys, the spleen, all of the things 542 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: that would be involved here. But unfortunately the blood, any 543 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: type of biological fluids are gone. They're flushed out, so 544 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: there's nothing that can be tested that way. So what 545 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: they're dealing with now is microscopic analysis looking for any 546 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: anomalies in the organs, looking for any cancer cells, anything 547 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: that has been alleged by Kelly Turner to have been 548 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: afflicted in Olivia. And they're not finding anything. They're finding 549 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,879 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with this little girl. And I'm just heartbroken 550 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: for her. For Bobby Brown, thank you for having such 551 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: a large heart and for doing everything, and my apologies 552 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: to you as well. Well. We know that mommy has 553 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 1: been arrested at a hotel in Glendale, Colorado. We also 554 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: know that Children's Hospital Colorado, where Olivia was treated, has 555 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: declined to comment. Boy, I bet they have declined to 556 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: comment because they got to figure out why they're doctors 557 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: and other doctors not just theirs, went along with this thing. 558 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: Jeff Cortes, a former FBI, what are the costs need 559 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: to do now to prove this case? I would imagine 560 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: much of the work has already been done at this 561 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 1: point to move toward this next phase of the investigation. 562 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: I would imagine they they've checked all their boxes, conducted 563 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: all their interviews, collected all their records, and measured that 564 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: against the timeline that the mother herself put online. So 565 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: she's going to create a timeline and a backdrop to 566 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: the information, so they'll be able to use a lot 567 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: of that as a collective in conjunction with the zoomed 568 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: body to make put forth third investigation you know to 569 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: Sharon Leco, denver lawyer, very renowned guys. Sharon was talking 570 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: about if this mom has much Hausen by proxy, which 571 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: is basically you get typically your child super sick or 572 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: pretend they're sick so you can get attention. She was 573 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: discussing whether this would be a mental defect as a 574 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: defensive trial. Listen to all the premeditation in Mommy's go 575 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: fund me campaign, She says, a little girl quote daughters 576 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: added a new diagnosis to her already long list, in 577 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: addition to a tumor, developmental delays, seizures, autism, sensory processing disorder, 578 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: focal cortical displasia, digestive issues, hydro encephalis. She goes on 579 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: her little girl now has quote nero gastro intestinal and cephalomyopathy, 580 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 1: also degenerative mitochondrial disorder that causes her little girl's entire 581 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: body to shut down one system at a time, eventually 582 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: leading to death. She writes, this is a story about 583 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: a sweet little princess that everyone has grown to love, 584 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: begging for money. Okay, what's the defense? Sharon leco mental impairment, 585 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: which is different from insanity. So oh, I make that 586 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: distinction that it would be an impairment that clouded her 587 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: ability to make decisions. And it goes to whether she 588 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: could form the requisite intent, which was the intention to 589 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: kill her child. That would be the defense. But back 590 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: to the doctors. I'm really concerned that these doctors did nothing. 591 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: I mean, why are they treating this girl when they 592 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: don't find anything wrong with her? Why did they remove 593 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 1: part of her small intestine to insert a feeding tube. 594 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: There was a therapist that worked with her and she 595 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: was able to eat solids food, But yet the doctor 596 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: removes the intestine. One doctor said told the mother to 597 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: stop giving the girl seizure medication, and she continued to 598 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,320 Speaker 1: give her seizure medication. Who prescribed it? What doctor signed off? 599 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: Do not resuscitate order? What doctor signed off? I'm putting 600 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: this girl in hospice. I mean, these doctors, you know, 601 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: they can't just live in some cocoon. They've got to 602 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: use common sense. There was a witness that was interviewed 603 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: by one of the TV station stations. She didn't give 604 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: her name. She was a mother who was going to 605 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: children's hospital at the same time because her daughter was sick. 606 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: She thought something was wrong with Kelly Turner and she 607 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: tried to take action. She contacted the authorities that she 608 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: thought would help, and they did nothing. Yet these doctors 609 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: turn a blind eye. I mean, why would they treat 610 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: somebody just because the mother said this, that and the 611 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 1: other thing. They have to use their independent judgment. They 612 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:47,719 Speaker 1: are licensed professionals, beautifully and eloquently, said Sharon Leco are 613 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: renowned in for attorney. And now I know why you're 614 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: renowned because the way you rattle that off convinces me 615 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 1: there must be a thorough investigation of these doctors. Final 616 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 1: word to Bobby Brown, who isn't just commenting or remarking 617 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: on this, He is part of that, having opened up 618 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 1: his heart and his life and his wallet to make 619 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: this little girl's dreams come true, only to learn it 620 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,439 Speaker 1: was all a big fake. And now the little girl 621 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: is dead. And I will just say this match she was, 622 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, obviously when I spent all my time with 623 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: him was in twenty thirteen, and that's when she was 624 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: really getting this until he was really getting this thing going. Uh, 625 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, I just I guess I would just say 626 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 1: that I would think that the doctors would realize that, 627 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, they did take that hippocratic oath oath and 628 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: I just, for the life of me, I can't understand it. 629 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: But just exactly what your previous guest just said. Why 630 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: why were they allowed to go? Were they allowed to go? 631 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,640 Speaker 1: For the over half a million dollars go fund me pages? 632 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,240 Speaker 1: And I will say this about the Make a Wish Foundation. 633 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: They are a phen phenomenal foundation. I've really supported them, 634 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of things, but I can't understand 635 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: how they got bamboozles. I mean, they have a pretty 636 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: good system. They've been doing us a long time. But 637 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,760 Speaker 1: that's how good she was, and it wasn't. In my opinion, 638 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,399 Speaker 1: and this is just my opinion, she did this out 639 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: agreed out of money, out of a financial scheme. I 640 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,240 Speaker 1: don't think it was the thrill of seeing her daughter 641 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: sick with munch house. I think it was strictly a 642 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,919 Speaker 1: money thing. And I am not done yet because I'm 643 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: still working on that. I would like to speak to 644 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: the father, who we don't hear about. But there's there's 645 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,879 Speaker 1: a lot more to go with this. But I would 646 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: never impeede with the law enforcement investigation, but I'll certainly 647 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,959 Speaker 1: share what I have. Well, Bobby Brown, you're a better 648 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: person than I am, because I don't care why she 649 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: did it. She stood by the b and watched her 650 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: daughter die. In fact, ordered her daughter to die whether 651 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: it do not resuscitate order from a mommy, and I 652 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: will not stand by and be quiet while a murderer 653 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: hides behind a fake ailment claiming she had a mental 654 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: defect and that caused her to what cash those checks 655 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: and live in that hotel and rip off nearly a 656 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: million dollars from various entities, break a lot of people's hearts, 657 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: but most important, murder her own daughter. As far as 658 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: I'm concerned, she can wrought in hell, but I'll leave 659 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,239 Speaker 1: that up to the Lord. Right now, it's going to 660 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: be in the jury's hands. I'm Nancy Grace. This is 661 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: crime stories. We wait for justice to unfold. Goodbye, friend,