1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Luck and load. The Michael Varry Show is on the air. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna make a lot of money, right, yeah right, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: that's not yours? Well it becomes ours. How is that 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: not stealing? I don't think. I don't think that. I'm 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: explaining this very well. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: It's seven eleven, right. You take a penny from the 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: tray from the crippled children. 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 3: You know, that's the job I'm talking about the tray 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: the you know, the pennies for for everybody, Oh. 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: For everybody? 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, well those are whole pennies, all right, all right, 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: I'm just talking about fractions of a penny here, okay, 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: But we do it from a much bigger tray, and 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 3: we do it a couple of million times, So what's 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 3: wrong with that? 16 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: You get a post on a to be a terrible 17 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: thing to find out that a white person is a racist. 18 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: They don't like black people. But there are a lot 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: of black people that don't like white people. Plenty of 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: them are serving in government, plenty of or university professors, 21 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: plenty of them are presidents of universities. Nobody should have 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: to like other people. I want to make that clear. 23 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: You don't have to like me or anybody who looks 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: like me or anybody who looks like anybody in my family. 25 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: You're not required to. That's dumb. What you can't do 26 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: is act on that basis unfairly unfairly, so nobody gets 27 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: mad at the head football coach that he doesn't pick 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: the fattest kid on the team, who also has the 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: slowest forty time to be the quarterback. No way's mad 30 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: at him for that. He gets to make that decision, 31 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: right because at the end of the day, we're going 32 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: to live with the consequences, win or lose. You better 33 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: put the best kid out there. Nobody is required to 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: like other people, but there has to be consistency. If 35 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 1: a black person is going to call for riots, notice 36 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: how many people won't say a word about it, because 37 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: everybody is afraid of being called a racist. Sometimes people 38 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: will tell me they'll send an email it's a chain 39 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: of where they got into an argument. Or they'll say, 40 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, somebody at their workplace said Michael Berry's a racist, 41 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: And they'll say, no, he's not. His wife's from India 42 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: and his kids are from Africa. His wife is brown, 43 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: his kids are black, and I say no, no, no, no, no, no, 44 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: do not defend me on the basis of the skin 45 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: color of my family members. I'm either a racist or 46 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm not. As each person gets to decide, we each 47 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: get to pass judgment on other people. I either am 48 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: or I'm not. But the skin color of my family 49 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: members is not a get out of jail free card 50 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: because the minute you buy into that nonsense, Oh, he 51 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: can't be racist his kids are black. Well what about 52 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: the next guy who says exactly what I say, but 53 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: his kids are white. Is he racist because he doesn't 54 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: have black kids he can use as a crutch. I 55 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: don't need to have family members to speak to what 56 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: I feel and what I say. And by the way, 57 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: when people will say makes me so mad to people 58 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: in my office, think you're a racist? Why do you 59 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: care because you're not? What is a racist? What does 60 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: it mean? I am a pursuer of truth. There are 61 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: some black people I do not like because they rape 62 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: and murder. That's true. So some white people I don't like, Hispanics, 63 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: I don't like Asians, fat people, midgets, homos, you name it. 64 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: But who I like and don't like and why I 65 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: like and don't like them is of really no consequence. 66 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: It does not matter the idea that it does. You know, 67 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: you take this to its logical extreme. These these trends, 68 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: these guys that become women have been all over podcasts 69 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: and it's a couple of years ago. This was a 70 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: really big story and they said that any man who 71 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: doesn't want to date a man who dresses as a 72 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: woman is a mo monster, an evil person, and they 73 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: wanted that to be the next big thing. Right, you 74 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: would have to say I would date one of those people. 75 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: And that was their big issue because you shouldn't be 76 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: allowed to decide what you like and don't like and 77 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: what turns you on and what doesn't. What they want 78 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: is here is the rule. You must like that, and 79 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: if you don't like that, then you're a bad person. 80 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: Once we can prove you're a bad person, very easy 81 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: to do. We put a mark on you, scarlet letter, 82 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: a brand, a star of David. Now we can keep 83 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: you from being elected to office, We can keep you 84 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: from getting a job. Anytime you do something, everybody will 85 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: have to take the other person's side. See, this is 86 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: what we do is call other ring people. You make 87 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: human beings into something other than a human being. It's 88 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: othering them and that's what we've done with racism. See 89 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: what you do is you find some way to say 90 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: that someone is a racist, and once that is said, 91 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: you can't defend against it. And once you're a racist, 92 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: you've been othered. You don't have any rights. There is 93 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: no presumption of guilt of innocence. You're just a bad person. See. 94 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: The only reason Daniel Penny would ever defend the people 95 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: on that subway is because Jordan Neely is black, because 96 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: he hates black blacks. And let's roll out the people 97 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 1: who all day, every day scream that everybody hates blacks. 98 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: Al Sharpton, blm Into LACP, the same lawyers, and that's 99 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: what they do. They actually make a good living doing that. 100 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean, imagine waking up in the morning going all right, 101 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: I gotta go find out who I'm gonna call a 102 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: racist today, and it pays well. American society has decided 103 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: we're going to have certain people who are going to 104 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: run around screaming racism and the media. They're very useful 105 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: to the media. They are the first call for the 106 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: media to make anytime anything's happened. Anything happens. But this 107 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: is not how functioning societies work. This is a cancer 108 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: on our society, and I'm gonna go ahead and say 109 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: it again. George Floyd was not choked out. He said 110 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: I can't breathe long before anyone was near him. He 111 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: couldn't breathe because he had ingested the fentanyl that he 112 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: was taking when they came upon him as he was 113 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: committing the crime of passing counterfeit bills. Remember, there was 114 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: a call made that he was committing that felony and 115 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: he was a felonie. But who cares. We just send 116 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: that white police officer to prison, and we all feel 117 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: better about ourselves because we don't be called a racist. 118 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: Southern Pride Southern Pride to Michael Berry Show, Let's go back. 119 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: January twenty seventeen. President Trump has, in the most improbable 120 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: win in the modern era, won the White House and 121 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: he's going in and the battle really begins now because 122 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: half the people there can't be trusted, half the people 123 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: there are working against him. It has taken all these 124 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: years to really find out what was going on. But 125 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: there were some loyal folks who were in the trenches 126 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: with him, and I think back now, you know, this 127 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: has been a really soaring administration. Because President Trump learned 128 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 1: you can't trust those people you got and he's gone 129 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: in with all the momentum. Right. It wasn't like that 130 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: back in January twenty seventeen. One of the guys, probably 131 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: the guy who was getting beat up the worst, through 132 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: no fault of his own. He was just taking the 133 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: beating and getting back up with Sean Spicer, the Press 134 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: Secretary and communications director, and he's our guest. Welcome to 135 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: the programs. 136 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: Shir Hey, Michael, good to be with you. Thank you. 137 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: You got to be thinking as you see Carolyn Levitt 138 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: up there going, hey, I didn't have it this easy. 139 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny when you say that. I 140 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: had a conversation with the President a couple of weeks back, 141 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: and he was asking me. He said, you know, this 142 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: is just how he operates. He always says, how do 143 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: you think it's going, how's everyone doing? And I said 144 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 2: to him, sir, I'm a little jealous. He started laughing 145 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: and he said, why do you say that. I said, 146 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: because you know, we came in. He was very magnantic 147 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: as he said, oh, that's nice and that. I said, well, 148 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: it's true. I think we we went in for you know, 149 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: with all the best intentions, and to your point in 150 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: your introduction, there were some people that didn't share that, 151 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 2: and they thought that they either were there to serve 152 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: their own agenda or to resist his. And I think 153 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 2: a lot of it was new. And I've said to 154 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: folks before, you know. Part of the thing for me 155 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: was I actually had this very fun conversation with him 156 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: at one point and we're talking about traditions and how 157 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: the White House operates that he looks at me and 158 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 2: he said, Sean, I'm going to be the most traditional 159 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: president ever. And I was like, oh, cool, I know tradition. 160 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: I like, guy got this that and and that clearly 161 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: wasn't the case. And and you know, he beats to 162 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: his own drum and he has his own style in 163 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: his way, and it's just it was it was a 164 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: learning experience for a lot of us. And like I said, so, 165 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: I I was so super proud to have been part 166 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 2: of that. But it's different. And here's the thing, Michael. 167 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: I've identified three things, the people, the process, and the policies. 168 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: And you touched on this at the beginning at the 169 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: beginning of your segment. And what I mean by the 170 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: people is lesson he trusted a lot of people that 171 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: they said, oh, I want to serve in the Trump 172 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: administration where they were recommended by somebody, and so he 173 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: took their workforce, and they weren't people that were there 174 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: for the right necessarily intentions. This time, the people that 175 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 2: he's run on board, he knows, he trusts they understand 176 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: the goal at hand, and that's a very different dynamic. Okay. 177 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: So that's number one. Then we go to the policies. 178 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: He knows exactly what he wants to do and how 179 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 2: to do it. He knows what he wants to fight for, 180 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: what he wants to accomplish. And the last is the process, 181 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: which is he knows how to do it now not 182 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: only the levers of government to pull, but where the 183 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: resistance is going to come from. Okay, and that is 184 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: important because he sort of if you think about it, 185 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: day one, Tom Holman's doing all of these immigration roundups 186 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: in what cities to go to, where to find them. 187 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: They didn't just think of this out of thin air. 188 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: It wasn't just you know, maybe we should go to Boston, 189 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 2: maybe we should go to Chicago. They knew where to 190 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: go because they had been spending four years plotting and 191 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: planning exactly what they would do if they got back 192 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: in office. 193 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: And you see it. It is a well executed strategy, 194 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: brilliant in its in its plan and flawless in the execution. 195 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: I also think that he brought in you were a 196 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: guy that was willing to withstand slings and arrows. I 197 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: think there were some folks who weren't. They were a 198 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: little more retiring, a little more reticent, a little more reserved. 199 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: Mike Pence was not really you know, a battle weary 200 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: partner for him. He's got guys that really enjoy going 201 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: into into the fire, you know, jd. Vance and Pete, 202 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: heg Seth and Toolsey and each one of them ready 203 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: to take on the battle. And I feel like that 204 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: allows him, you know, like like a leader, a president 205 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: with his generals. It allows him to dissipate some of that, 206 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: to spread some of that. Elon takes a lot of 207 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: that hatred. And I think that I'd be curious to 208 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: know your thoughts. But I think that has helped him 209 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: a lot as well. 210 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Look at the thing that the media 211 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: gets wrong, Michael is They keep saying, oh, he's surprouted 212 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: himself with loyalists. A dog can be loyal that nothing 213 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: that these people are disruptors. These are people who understand 214 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 2: the agenda and what the president wants to accomplish in 215 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: and are like, great, I got it. So whether Paulsey, 216 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: RFK or Pete Hegseth, you know Lee Delvin at the EPA, 217 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 2: these guys are coming in and saying, Okay, we got it, 218 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: we got the mission, We're ready to execute, and frankly, 219 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: you're seeing the results. I mentioned Tom Holman, another guy 220 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: he's going in there to do this. But there's one 221 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: thing that I keep warning Republicans on which is, guys, 222 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: we've now seen. You know, Trump got elected, he made 223 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: a lot of great things happen. He helped secure the border, 224 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: get US energy independent, and what's Biden do? Undoes all 225 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 2: of that through executive order? And then what is Trump do? 226 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: He undoes the Biden and reinstitutes a lot of stuff 227 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: and then builds on it. And my message to Republicans, 228 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: especially in the area of immigration, is if you like 229 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: what President Trump is doing, then we need to codify law. 230 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: Because if you look at where President Trump has gotten pushedback, 231 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: it's not this resistance that we had in the first term, 232 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: it's the courts, and what are the courts saying. They're saying, well, 233 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: the law is clear that X or not clear that why. 234 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: And so my point to my fellow Republicans is, if 235 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: you like what President Trump did, if you like what 236 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: he accomplished, then don't let another president do it. Codify 237 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: immigration stuff in law. Figure out how many business we want, 238 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: many judges, how many CBP or ice agents we want, 239 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: set new limits on making us more of a meritocracy. 240 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: So we figure out, you know, what kind of immigration 241 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: system we want. But we keep fudging along and hoping 242 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: that President Trump's going to stay in office forever. It's 243 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: just not you know, as much as we may want 244 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: that to happen, it's not going to happen while we 245 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: have majorities. And this is the other point that I 246 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: try to make to Republicans is I would love to 247 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: believe that we're just going to get judged by, you know, 248 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: putting points on the board and delivering for the American people. 249 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: But we've seen what it takes to get legislation passed, 250 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: and god forbid, we lose the House Republican majority, which 251 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 2: is you know, tenuous at best. We got two more 252 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: seats last week because somehow everybody felt like, oh, that 253 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 2: was great. I'm like, that's just two more. We're now 254 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: down to we're up to a four seat majority. Yay. 255 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: But if you really want to ensure that things are 256 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: going to happen, then use these next eighteen plus months 257 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: to actually codify the Trump agenda, especially in immigration in law. 258 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: I agree the long term reforms, I think, and that's 259 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: how you bring real change instead of an overnight win. 260 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: That's the war, not the battle. John Spicer was Press 261 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: secretary and Communications director under President Trump in the early days, 262 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: the tough days, the time when generals loyal to the 263 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: president were being entrapped by the FBI, at a time 264 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: when Jim Comey was working very hard to try to 265 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: put Donald Trump in prison, at a time when the 266 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: security and deep state apparatus was working against the president 267 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: and doing things that are unspeakable. He has some memories, 268 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: shall we say, he's our guests. Let's talk about the border, obviously, 269 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: something that y'all worked on very hard. I have been 270 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: I must admit, I have been delighted and at the 271 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: same time surprised at the effectiveness and the swiftness with 272 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: which this thing has happened, and how successful it has been. 273 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: Your thoughts. 274 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's two things. Just one. It proved 275 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: to me that if you focus on something anything, it's 276 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: not necessarily easy, but you can get results. Right. So, 277 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: I mean, whether you trying to get in shape or 278 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: sell something, or in this case secure of the border. 279 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 2: What happened under Biden is they allow they made the 280 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 2: border open. People came in. They gave incentives to people 281 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: to come. I tell this story all the time. I 282 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: got a buddy of mine that does a lot of 283 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: federal contracting with the State Department, and in the Trump 284 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: first term, they had assigned throughout America that said, you know, 285 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 2: the border's clothes, don't come. When Biden came into office, 286 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: they changed the billboards and it said need help, here's 287 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 2: the phone number. Right. They literally it was a magnet 288 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 2: to come into this country. Kamala Harris might have told 289 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: people don't, but the reality is that if you're told, 290 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: if you do though, we're going to give you a 291 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: hotel room, a gift card, free phones, et cetera, you're 292 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: going to come. They understood they wouldn't get kicked out, 293 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: they wouldn't be stopped and so they came. President Trump 294 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: changed that in a heartbeat, and you know, Tom Holman 295 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: and everyone's rounding people up, making it clear that this 296 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: is the priority of this president. But you know, it 297 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: just showed you how much we are gas lit by 298 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: the Biden administration, right who told us, oh, we can't 299 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 2: do anything, there's nothing wrong, there's no criminals here. Well, 300 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 2: if there were no criminals here, how did President Trump 301 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: just round up all those Trendeddy Dago people and the 302 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: NS thirteen gangbaggers. Because you know, under the Biden administration, 303 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 2: they told us our border was secure, nothing was wrong, 304 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 2: and it was clearly a lie. 305 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: It's it's quite interesting. Sean Spicer is our guess. He 306 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 1: was the first Press secretary and communications director for President Trump. 307 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: Let me pull back for our moment on Trump. Let's 308 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: talk about Sean Spicer. How has life changed for you? 309 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: What does what does life look like for you today? 310 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 2: That's a great question. Uh So, when I walked into 311 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: the White House, I had been the communications director and 312 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: the chief strategies for the Republican National Committee for six years. 313 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: I'd been around Washington working for members of Congress. I'd 314 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 2: just come actually off an active duty deployment, so I 315 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 2: you know, I was just your typical staffer and then 316 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: walked into the Trump White House and got thrown, you know, 317 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: into the deep end real quick. And it was a 318 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: challenging yet honorific opportunity to serve the country and to 319 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: President Trump. And then look, it was funny afterwards. I 320 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: did stuff that. I mean, I have had some pretty 321 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 2: cool moments since I left the White House. I still 322 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 2: stay in touch with President Trump. As I mentioned, I 323 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 2: talked to him on the phone the other day. He 324 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: appointed me to the Naval Academy Board of Visitors. You know, 325 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: I've got two shows. It's The Shawn Spicer Show, airs 326 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 2: every night six pm Eastern on YouTube. So I'm doing stuff, Michael, 327 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: for the first time. I was always somebody else's spokesman, 328 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: and now I get to talk about what I think 329 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: and why I think things need to get done and 330 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 2: what the priorities. I've written four books, you know, I 331 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 2: may announce a fifth one soon. It's been fun to 332 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: do something when you when your whole life professionally was 333 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: focused on you know, even in the military, it was 334 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: a public affairs officer, right, And I've always spoken for 335 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: other people and entities and when you leave and get 336 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: the opportunity to, you know, launch shows. I have a 337 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: show every morning, a live show on my YouTube channel 338 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: called The Morning Meeting, where we talk about the issues 339 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: of the day, and it's fun to be able to 340 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: give people my opinion, my thought, my insights from thirty 341 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 2: years in politics, and that's a very different place than 342 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: I've ever been. 343 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: But I got to imagine with all of that and 344 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: enjoying a little more, you know, taking an extra thirty 345 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: minutes on your cup of coffee, or making one more 346 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: lap on your morning walk if you so choose, or 347 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: sleeping in on occasion if you want. I gotta imagine 348 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: for guys like you, having been in it myself, you 349 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: have to miss the adrenaline. It's a drug, and I 350 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: know there are days that you are missing that and 351 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: wishing you were in there in the battle. 352 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: You know what. The funny thing about you saying that 353 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: was I used to when I left Capitol Hill and 354 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: went to different places, I would always say I always 355 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: I think that I found it Like, I don't know 356 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: if it's because I have kids now they're teenagers. It's 357 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: like I think my priorities are a little bit different 358 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 2: having to want to spend time. And I know it's 359 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 2: always like this cliche washing anything. I love it, don't 360 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: get me wrong, I will never I'm so honored that 361 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 2: President Trump had me served as the White House pre Secretary. 362 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: But now when I get to do stuff, like I 363 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: wake up, Like I said, I have this show every morning, 364 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: it's live for an hour on YouTube where I walk 365 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: through with Mark Alper and a guy named Dan Turntine 366 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: that we call it the Morning Meeting. It's very it's 367 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: just continues to grow in popularity. Then I do my 368 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 2: show that airs at six o'clock on YouTube, And like 369 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: I said, I do a lot of writing. I write columns, 370 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 2: so I don't It's almost like I've kind of pivoted 371 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 2: my my love for politics into it two different ways. 372 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: So now I can actually openly opine about what I 373 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 2: like to do and what I like to say. And 374 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: so I'm fired up. I I I get your point. 375 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 2: Like I if ten it was a ten year Yeah, 376 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: ten years ago, I wouldn't know what to do. I 377 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: used to work crazy hours at the R and C. 378 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: And I think people tell me all the time, you know, wow, 379 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: you work crazy hours, and how do you ever find time. 380 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: And it's because I love it. I love politics, I 381 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 2: love the back and forth. I love you know that 382 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: no day is ever the same, and that I had 383 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: a great team to work with. I mean, but there's 384 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: something about like the last few years where I've enjoyed, 385 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: like getting to do things like I've had the I've 386 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: had the I was on a realction any shows you 387 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 2: might recall, the answer to the Stars. I did a 388 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 2: back movie. There's stuff that is a kid from Rhode 389 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 2: Island that my dad sold boats for a living. And 390 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: to be like, I can't believe I opened the Eny's 391 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 2: for goodness sake in twenty seventeen. 392 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: You having fun, I mean, and yeah, you survived because 393 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: as you know, a lot of guys don't walk away 394 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: from this thing able to hold their head up. A 395 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: lot of guys did it chews you up and spits 396 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: you out. Let me ask you. You said, it's about people, 397 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: But do you. 398 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: Know why though? Here's why though, Because honestly, I don't 399 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: mean to sound like I'm not the best at a 400 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 2: lot of things, but I have my priorities straight. And 401 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 2: when the opportunity came to get an off ramp, and 402 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 2: I said this to the president because he had been 403 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: very gracious. He wanted me to stay in the White House. 404 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: I was communications director and White House Press secretary. And 405 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 2: I said, it's the president. You need a fresh start. 406 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: And I knew that that was my offering. I honestly 407 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 2: believe that. God it said to me, Sean, I'm telling 408 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: you right now, like this is this is our off ramp. 409 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 2: And and and I knew if I stayed longer, it wouldn't. 410 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: And like I said, here we are eight years later. 411 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 2: I call him, he calls me. He was kind enough 412 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 2: to reappoint me to the Naval Academy Board. He's endorsed 413 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: all four of the books that I've written. He literally 414 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: voted for me on a reality television show when he 415 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: was President United. Think that is a guy who you know, 416 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: he's had my back, and and I just it is 417 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 2: so to your point. Like part of the thing is 418 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: that I feel like I knew when a lot of 419 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 2: people in Washington can't walk away from power. And I 420 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: knew the second the day that I said that I 421 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 2: was stepping down, that that was going to change forever. 422 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: I would it would never be the same again. But 423 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: I also knew that if I stayed, it wouldn't be 424 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: the same and it was not going to go. It's 425 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: of the world as we know it, Michael. 426 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: In the World nine, John Spicer is our guest, Sean. 427 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, when I assess what the President's been able 428 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: to do, it's it's in a sort of uh Nixon's 429 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: first term imperial presidency sort of manner. And because he 430 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: has the House and the Senate, both of them with 431 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: a tenuous, delicate, dangling majority that could change, and a 432 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: lot of folks that if they have the chance, would 433 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: stab him in the back, but right now have to 434 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: play along. It concerns me because if things have to 435 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: go through the House or the Senate, we've had We've 436 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: had pretty good luck so far. But it does concern me. 437 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: What concerns you the most for the continued success of 438 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: this president in this country, which I know you care 439 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: so deeply about. Is it the tariffs? Is it? Is 440 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: it the financial folks? Is it Chinese intervention of the 441 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: things that you see on the horizon and you so 442 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: let's just keep an eye on that. 443 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 2: Well. I think the greatest threat we face is from China, 444 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: and I think that if we don't like I think 445 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: freddand Trump needs him majority. We watched this this first 446 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: term when he lost the House majority. They spend all 447 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: their time in teaching him, obstructing him, and attacking him. 448 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: And so I think that people have to understand he 449 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: needs to be able to have the runway. As I 450 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: mentioned to you a moment ago, like not just to like. 451 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 2: I love what he's doing now, the tax cuts, getting 452 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 2: the border focus, but if we don't codify some of 453 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: these things in legislation before, you know, and maintain a 454 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 2: House and Senate majority, I feel good about the Senate. 455 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: Let's so about you know. So anyway, I actually worry 456 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: that if he doesn't keep the majority, it's it stunts 457 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: the uh, the progress that we've made. 458 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: No doubt, and and you know, it happens so fast 459 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: that the momentum he with which he started and as 460 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: you said it, it was having a plan that you execute. 461 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: You know, you have kids. I don't know if you've 462 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: been to youth sports, but I've coached youth sports. And 463 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 1: when the other team is better than your team and 464 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: you show up on the first day and you go, oh, 465 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: those kids they've been playing together for years. And I 466 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: got a bunch of kids their first year and you know, 467 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: oh wow, we came to the battle and got whipped. 468 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: He did that to them, and it was a blitzkreag. 469 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: He came in and he just rolled over him. And 470 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: now I worry. You know, we've got to keep that 471 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: momentum going. And that's my concern. And I know you've 472 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: been in that room where you talk about how to 473 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: jump start that momentum and get it going again. 474 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: One hundred percent and uh, And that's the key is 475 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: that STA stay focused. And I think the president has 476 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: a focus. You know that he didn't And again it's 477 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: not that he didn't, it's not. I don't feel like 478 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: this is a slight to say, but I think he 479 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 2: is so much more driven now. Four years out of 480 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: office has given him such different perspective about how to 481 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: get the job done. Yeah. 482 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything quite like this. I mean, you know, 483 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: we've had very few presidencies separated in this way, and 484 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: I think once you're in the White House, you don't 485 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: get better. We've seen a decline in presidents in the 486 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: second term and you're just fending off. But it's like 487 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: those years in Siberia. It's much like when Nixon leaves 488 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: the vice presidency in sixty and loses the governor's race 489 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: in California in sixty two. And from sixty two to 490 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: sixty eight, he got better and he got stronger, and 491 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: he understood his support and he understood where his voters were. 492 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: And I think those four years, oddly enough, even though 493 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: he's being dragged at court, I think Trump did some 494 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: very deep thinking and I think he sought some good 495 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: input and he's a different man today, and he's a 496 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: better leader because of He's more effective, for sure. 497 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about it, no question about it. And 498 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 2: so I think the time away the asassination attempts, we're 499 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: all critical and that thinking. 500 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: When you look at the American public's reaction to Trump, 501 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, when y'all came in, he was still a 502 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: shock in all guy. People were still sort of frightened 503 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: of him. I think people have come to understand, Hey, 504 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: he can say something, he can threaten something, he can 505 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: promise something, he can insult somebody. For me, in fact, 506 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. Is it interesting or what's your 507 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: reaction to how America has learned to process Trump and 508 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: understand that's just who he is. 509 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: Well, this goes to the point you were making. I 510 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 2: think one of the things we've only had at one 511 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: time previously in history is that when you're able to 512 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: contrast like so normally, you know, I p I think 513 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 2: gets two consecutive terms and you know, maybe you have 514 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: some you know, you go, gosh, I wish we had 515 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: them back or whatever. But Trump when he ran against Biden, 516 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: they contrasted their policies. You know, Biden got into office 517 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: and then when Trump came in back and office where 518 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: Trump was running again, and I think people said, Okay, 519 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: maybe we didn't like some of the style thing, but 520 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: we really saw the difference in policies between come and Biden, 521 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: and we need him back. And that was what I 522 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 2: think was critically different, that the American people had a 523 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: contrast that was so different. So I was excited. I 524 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 2: think it's it can't be overstated how impactful it is 525 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: having four years between us. 526 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but what's amazing is, you know, unlike Reagan, who 527 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: comes onto the scene seventy six, Ford holds onto the 528 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: nomination in eighty. He comes back stronger, but he spends 529 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: those four years in relative peace and quiet and meetings 530 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: and this sort of thing. Those weren't four quiet years. 531 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: I mean, those were four tough years of being dragged 532 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: to court and insulted and threatened, and yet all the 533 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: while he was he was reloading. And I think that 534 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like this. It's a juggernaut the 535 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: likes of which I've never seen. You've been around politics, 536 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, at the highest levels, but I've never seen 537 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: a candidate like this, and I don't see a candidate 538 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: in the offing like this. Let me ask you this, 539 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: do you think the president is able to hold his 540 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: coalition through the entirety of his president and presidency? Obviously 541 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: the midterms are going to be important. Who out there 542 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: worries you as a break in in the facade or 543 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: break in in the the consensus? 544 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: Well, I don't think any. I mean, look, I think 545 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 2: it's it's rock solid. You've seen so many of these folks. 546 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: We didn't have that case in the Trump favor. The 547 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 2: Freedom Caucus when we try to repeal healthcare was was 548 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: Trump's biggest opponent. And and so now having like you 549 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: watch just this budget resolution that passed, you know, the 550 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: Freedom Caucus, Andy, Andy Harris and Chip Roy of Texas 551 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: all you know, eventually came on board. That was huge. 552 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I what I see is that they're his support. 553 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: It is so deep and so committed and so zealous 554 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: that you can't just oppose him if you are a 555 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: Republican without being punished for it. His support says, hey, 556 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: I got it, messy, you got your high minded position, 557 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: but we're going to punish you. And I think they've 558 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: learned from that and that that's a real impressive way 559 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: to govern. It's a consensus government. 560 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 2: Well see, it's not just the person. Back when I 561 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: was on the hill for a while and the early 562 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: two dou Is Tom delay with the majority whip, and 563 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: people knew not to cross Tom because you know, he 564 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: would exact political revenge. Donald Trump, it's not even that. 565 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: I think people understand the movement will get you. It's 566 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 2: not Donald Trump. People will will you know, your your 567 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: constituents will come after you. And that's that's I think 568 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: the big difference. 569 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never seen at any level of government an 570 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: officeholder or candidate whose supporters are so willing to go 571 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: to bat for him. And you know, I've seen that 572 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: with foreign leaders, but certainly none. And his is such 573 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: a great committed relationship and he knows it, and he 574 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: puts it to good use. John Spicer, you are the best. 575 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: You're welcome back anytime. Thank you, my man, Thank you 576 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: appreciate it. 577 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: Take care of mine.