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Speaker 1: Hey, Angel fans, and welcome back to Halo territory. I'm

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Speaker 1: Mike di Giovanna, former LA Times baseball writer and host

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Speaker 1: of the show. I'm going to start out today with

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Speaker 1: a quick question for Angel fans, but it might seem

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Speaker 1: more like a trick question. What channel will you be

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Speaker 1: watching your Halo's on this year? Have no idea me neither.

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Speaker 1: In the regular season is two months away. The Angel's

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Speaker 1: TV situation right now is about as muddled as this

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Speaker 1: team's plan to get back to the playoffs. But hopefully

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Speaker 1: the two guys on the show today will be able

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Speaker 1: to shed some light on it. Evan Drelich of The

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Speaker 1: Athletic and Bill Shakin of the Los Angeles Times. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, guys, how are we doing today?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 1: Yadiej Good to see you man all right? That really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you both joining us. A little background on these

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Speaker 1: two fine scribes. Evan covers the business of baseball with

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Speaker 1: a special emphasis on the Commissioner's office for The Athletic,

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Speaker 1: and he's written extensively about MLB's TV situation. He has

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Speaker 1: also written an outstanding book on the Houston Astros sign

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Speaker 1: stealing scandal called Winning fixes everything, and if you haven't

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Speaker 1: read it, I strongly urge you to go buy it

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Speaker 1: download it. It's a great read, especially for you Dodger

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Speaker 1: fans who are still ticked off about that twenty seventeen

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Speaker 1: World Series. Bill Shakin is the national baseball writer for

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Times, a two time California Sports Writer

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Speaker 1: of the Year winner, and he also focuses heavily on

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Speaker 1: the business side of the game. And I was lucky

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Speaker 1: enough to call Shake a colleague for almost three decades

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Speaker 1: at the Times. Thanks again both of you for joining us. Evan,

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Speaker 1: let's start with you. The Angels in twenty eleven signed

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Speaker 1: a twenty year, three billion dollar deal with Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: West when that paid them one hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year, and now they're among tutors in Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball, NBA and NHL teams scrambling for TV partners.

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Speaker 1: How the heck did we get here?

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Speaker 3: People stop watching? I think is the short answer. Ditch

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Speaker 3: everything I write about, or ninety eight percent of what

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Speaker 3: I write about. And I think it's true for Shake

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Speaker 3: as well. Comes back down to money, and the money

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Speaker 3: has just started to dry up for these regional sports networks.

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Speaker 3: You know, there was a time less than a decade

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Speaker 3: and a group of other regional sports networks for valued

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Speaker 3: at ten billion dollars uh, and they've lost I don't know,

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Speaker 3: maybe ninety percent of their worth since then. People stopped

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Speaker 3: subscribing to cable and TV packages, satellite. You know, there's

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Speaker 3: been some cord cutters, some people jump to YouTube, TV

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Speaker 3: which means that there's less money going to these stations,

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Speaker 3: the third party regional sports networks, and then there's less

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Speaker 3: money going to the teams. And what's going on right

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Speaker 3: now is that for basically the second time in a year,

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Speaker 3: the channel that the Angels are on fanduels networks, which

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Speaker 3: are owned by this company called main Street, are trying

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Speaker 3: to pay less to the teams and renegotiate all the

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Speaker 3: rights fees that they are contractually obligated to pay. We

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Speaker 3: will see if any of these teams actually go back

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Speaker 3: to FanDuel. Major League Baseball's taken over the broadcast for

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Speaker 3: several of its teams. Right now, there's at least seven

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Speaker 3: teams that Major League Baseball itself is going to be

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Speaker 3: They're going to say your right season worth thirty million

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Speaker 1: Shake. Let's hone in on the Angels. It seems like

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Speaker 1: they've been TV nomads now for the last few years,

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Speaker 1: can you sort of clarify how they went from Fox

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Speaker 2: Sure, so, as a lot of things do in Southern

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Speaker 2: Remember they have two rsns, Fox Sports West in prime

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Speaker 2: the audience just keeps joindling, and the money in regional

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Speaker 2: So as it turns out, as Evan indicated, like the

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of where we span. And the twenty

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Speaker 2: And as Evan indicated, if the Angels end up going

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Speaker 1: Well, that was kind of going to be my follow

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, it sure was. And again it was

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Speaker 2: just out of desperation. If you have a regional sports

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Speaker 1: Wow. Evan, how have major league teams, specifically the Angels

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Speaker 3: It's always money. Everything comes down to money this world,

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Speaker 3: and they're you know, the exact amount of money the

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Speaker 3: but I think twenty thirty percent for any team that

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Speaker 3: there's an easy excuse for a team not to participate

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Speaker 3: MLB was by far the most vocal critic of the plan.

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Speaker 3: Of the projected numbers that Main Street Sports Group was saying,

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Speaker 1: Shake. We've seen some numbers thrown around regarding the Angels.

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Speaker 1: How much do we know how much they've lost over

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Speaker 2: The good news is at least you know what it is.

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Speaker 2: go with MLB, you may have zero guaranteed revenue at

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Speaker 1: Well the Angels GM Perrymansium has been pretty coy about

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Speaker 1: actions speak louder than words, and it's clear these financial

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Speaker 1: losses have impacted the Angels. The projected payroll for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six is one hundred and seventy eight million. That's

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Speaker 1: twenty million dollar payroll to end twenty twenty five. They

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Speaker 1: total on five free agents this winter. Shake how long

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Speaker 1: can the Angels continue to operate this operate like this?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I talked to general manager with a different team

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Speaker 1: Can can baseball pull that off? And I got a

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. I mean the pitch of putting everybody's rights

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Speaker 2: The teams are pretty much asked main Street like, hey,

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Speaker 2: I think probably MLB will put together a package because

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Speaker 3: I haven't spent enough I've spent enough time on sports

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Speaker 3: a counter position here, and I actually this is speculative,

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Speaker 3: and I want to put out this is speculative on

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Speaker 3: my part, but I think it's somewhat telling that they

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Speaker 3: not just said screw this, we're out at this point,

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Speaker 3: and we expect some teams have basically said that, and

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Speaker 3: they probably want to make a collective decision, make one

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Speaker 3: announcement at once. But it tells me that they would

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Speaker 3: prefer that FanDuel still exists and that they could get

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Speaker 3: their so called guaranteed right sees. And so for the

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Speaker 3: sake of the argument, I'll say that somehow, some way,

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Speaker 3: vanduels still round come opening day, and I think teams

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Speaker 3: want that. I don't think teams want to go to

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Speaker 3: NLB because they would have done it a year ago.

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Speaker 3: They would, you know, it's they still like that guaranteed money.

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Speaker 3: So I'll say the opposite of shape, they're on fans.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say a wild is that for the other

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Speaker 2: team in Anaheim, the Ducks hockey team, they're on free streaming.

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Speaker 2: They're on a service called Victory Plus, which I think

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Speaker 2: the Texas Rangers are also so you can watch every

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Speaker 2: game and you don't have to pay anything, And they're

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Speaker 2: trying to gather eight i'ms right to gather as much

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Speaker 2: also have a number of games that are on low

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Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be surprised if the Angels have at

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Speaker 2: least talked to the Ducks to see how that works.

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Speaker 2: And now that the hockey season is well underway, are

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Speaker 2: you making money from that? Is it feasible? Does it

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Speaker 2: seem like you know there's a long term path there,

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Speaker 2: but in the end, I don't know that that's the

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Speaker 2: route they're going to take.

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Speaker 1: Well, that'll do it for this episode of Halo Territory.

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Speaker 1: You want to thank Evan Drelich and Bill Shaken for

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Speaker 1: joining us. Really appreciate your input. Please like and subscribe,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to try to put together mail bag

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Speaker 1: here at some points, so if you want to leave

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