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Speaker 1: Fellow ridiculous historians, we are returning to you just all

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Speaker 1: twitter painted to tell you a weird story about a

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Speaker 1: long time obsession. You guys, remember the Democratic People's Republic

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Speaker 1: of Korea DPRK or North Korea?

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Speaker 2: How could I forget those upstarts, those scamps?

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Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? Yeah? The Kim dynasty is a continuing force

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Speaker 1: in the world today and there have been a lot

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Speaker 1: of terrifying, very strange situations. There's a lot of ridiculous

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Speaker 1: history to the DPRK or North Korea. But this week's

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Speaker 1: classic episode concerns a guy named Bill Speakman spelled like

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Speaker 1: it sounds, who got into a situation in North Korea

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Speaker 1: and had to throw beer at people or beer bottles,

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Speaker 1: empty bottles, like you do? Is that what you do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, someone displeases me, you throw an empty beer bottle? Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I smash it and then brandish the broken end

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Speaker 1: You don't even drink beer. Where are you getting all these.

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Speaker 2: Books talking about I like beer. I'll have a beer.

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Speaker 2: I'll down a beer with the boys at the pub

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Speaker 1: And so this guy Bill's Speakman, as you know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to spoil it. Let's just roll

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Speaker 1: the tape. Ridiculous History is a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeart Radio. On Young Hazio. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Ridiculous History. I'm Ben Mushi Moushi. My name

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Speaker 1: is Nol and yes, this is indeed Ridiculous History. And

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Speaker 1: I know that was the incorrect greeting. You set up

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Speaker 1: the theme correctly with your greeting, and you said it beautifully.

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Speaker 2: Ben on Young Asio, I said it terribly. Oh did

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Speaker 2: I say it better? No, no, nosh. It turns out

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Speaker 2: that neither of us speak Korea, and that's true. Is

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Speaker 2: that gonna be a problem for today's episode.

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Speaker 1: It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. Did I tell you

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Speaker 1: that story of the last time I was in Korea?

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Speaker 1: I went, so, I was walking around, right, and I'm

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Speaker 1: in Soul and everybody is very everybody's very friendly. Walk

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Speaker 1: and yes, very much so. And people with shop owners

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Speaker 1: My Korean's admittedly garbage. It wasn't until I was driving back,

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Speaker 2: Haven't been like doing that, have you?

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Speaker 1: He said, do you know what that means?

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Speaker 2: So what?

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Speaker 1: And he said it means where am I? So I

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Speaker 2: And that's why they switched you Like this man has

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Speaker 2: had an af fugue state of some sort. He is

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Speaker 1: But what an adventure. And despite our mutual lack of

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Speaker 1: a great time with today's story. Oh, we should also

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Speaker 1: mention super producer Casey Pegram.

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Speaker 2: Is here always.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I did that, like a late

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Speaker 2: Exactly. I love it. He's always here. He's a staple.

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Speaker 2: When he's not here, I dialute.

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Speaker 1: Inside a little each time when he cries.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: So, no, we're mentioning Korea. Not for nothing. We're mentioning

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Speaker 1: Korea because it is part of our story. Today's story

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Speaker 1: is about a war hero, right, Yeah, can I say

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Speaker 2: I think he can? Then, Okay, I think you can.

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Speaker 2: We think you just did.

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Speaker 1: We've been going back and forth off air before about

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Speaker 1: I remember what were they? So there was ass?

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Speaker 2: Oh mean we're gonna just lay them all out? Huh damn?

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Speaker 1: And hell? Shall we save those? Well?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know those I think are approved.

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Speaker 2: flavor of badassery involved single handedly, largely single handedly, fending

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Speaker 1: Yes, the story of William Speakman, known as Bill to

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Speaker 1: Big Bill Speakman was born on September twenty seventh, nineteen

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Speaker 1: known children like that. When he was a teenager, he

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He was also part of an admittedly like Game

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Speaker 2: up joining the King's Own Scottish Borderers, and that is

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Speaker 1: The King's Own Scottish Borderers. Does sound like a band name, really,

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Speaker 1: does you know? So Bill Big Bill goes to the

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Speaker 1: Korean Peninsula to take part in the Korean War. What's

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Speaker 1: the Korean War? Great question? The Korean War is this

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Speaker 2: Which is crazy to me. It was a ceasefire, right

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a proxy war also called a limited war,

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Speaker 1: and they fought their war there. Terrible, terrible thing for

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Speaker 1: So this war began June twenty fifth, nineteen fifty, and

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Speaker 1: would change hands what four times during the struggle?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And what is the thirty eighth parallel, ben That's

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Speaker 3: a great question. The thirty eighth Parallel existed originally as

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll get into that later. The important part is,

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Speaker 1: as we've established that the thirty eighth parallel is where

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Enter Big Bill Speakman. He's twenty four years old. He's

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Speaker 2: And boy does he ever, because in nineteen fifty one,

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Speaker 2: Speakman's battalion was up defending a posi on Maryang San

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Speaker 1: So let's set the stage. It's the early hours of

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Speaker 1: They attacked the Commonwealth trenches and by a little bit

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Speaker 1: the sides have entered Malay hand to hand combat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm confused about this. So why were they doing

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Speaker 1: Because they got close enough to So the mortar fire

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Speaker 1: the soldiers are getting close enough to This is trench warfare.

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Speaker 2: It's essentially like that going over the top kind of situation,

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Speaker 1: So they couldn't shoot from you know, from like a

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Speaker 2: That makes sense. So when we say hand to hand,

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Speaker 2: we are talking largely about I mean just that there's

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Speaker 2: that that becomes a big part of the story.

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Speaker 1: So Private Big Bill Speakman is prepping hand grenades when

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Speaker 1: he hears a message over the radio saying that two

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Speaker 1: back together. He gathers up whomever's closest to him, hands

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Speaker 2: And there's this quote in an article from The Independent

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Speaker 2: it was hand to hand. There was no time to

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Speaker 2: pull back the bolt of the rifle. It was November,

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Speaker 2: the ground was hard, so grenades bounced and did damage.

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Speaker 2: It makes you think of like a video game called

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Speaker 2: border Lands, where you could get different mods for your grenades,

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Speaker 2: and one of them made them like bouncing grenades, so

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Speaker 2: they would like literally bounce off of things and then

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Speaker 2: explode continuously. I know this is not the kind of

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Speaker 2: sci fi situation that's going on here, but what would

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Speaker 2: why would a bouncing grenade do more damage? I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to picture that because it only blows up once.

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Speaker 1: So I guess we're speculating when't say that the bounce

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Speaker 1: puts it in a different position, you know, sort of

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Speaker 1: like hitting hitting a cool trick shot on a pool table.

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Speaker 1: And he was never really comfortable with this, this heroic image.

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Speaker 2: I think that's very smart to keep it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'll say it. I know this is the most square

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Speaker 1: There's a new Korean barbecue place in Decatur as well,

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Speaker 2: Happy National Burrito Day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, You're welcome. I didn't want to have to

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Speaker 2: Thanks as always to our super producer Casey Pegram, Thanks

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Bill Speakman, thanks to Christopher Haciotis, thanks to

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Speaker 2: weird Chinese cult surrounding a certain Jesus of Nazareth. Fellow

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Speaker 2: Yeah cults?

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Speaker 1: Oh uh wait, are you thanking our episode?

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Speaker 2: I am in advance.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's make it good.

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