1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, Time, Time, Luck and Load from 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Michael Very Show is on the air. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: Disturbing allegations about a Q sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: members of his social circle. Those allegations come from newly 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 2: unsealed documents from a now settled court case against Epstein 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: associate Elaine Maxwell. A woman claims that Maxwell groomed her 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: to be a sex slave to Epstein and was trafficked 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: to some of his most powerful associates. 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: The training started immediately, give Jeffrey what he wants. 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: A lot of this training came from Helen herself and 11 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: being a woman. 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 4: It kind of surprises you that a woman could actually 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 4: let stuff like that happen, but not only let it happen, 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,279 Speaker 4: but to groom you into doing it. 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: These power players a priority for us right now. Can 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: we even touch them? 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: No? 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: It's like everything you know, we hides and planes fight. 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Epstein was hiding in plane side. We all knew about. 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: Him, we all knew what he was doing, but we 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: had no one that would go after him. 22 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: They were afraid of him. For whatever reason, they were afraid. 23 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 5: The airplane that we flew on for this humanitarian mission 24 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 5: was owned by Jeffrey Epstein and to then learn, oh, 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 5: he was actually on some of those flights, and this 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 5: Maxwell woman was on some of those flights. I didn't 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 5: know him. I've never spent any time with him. I 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 5: was with the Clinton Foundation people, That's who I was with. 29 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: She told me everything, she had pictures, she had everything. 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 5: She wasn't hiding for twelve years. 31 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to 32 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: talk to us. It was unbelievable what we had Clinton, 33 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: We had everything. There's no question executives at ABC protected 34 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 4: Why do you think they did that well because their 36 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 4: star anchor's name is George Stepanopolis. And of course George 37 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,639 Speaker 4: Stepanopolis worked as Bill Clinton's communications director at the White House. 38 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 4: And when was all of this information being given to 39 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 4: Amy worback at ABC? When did she bring all of 40 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 4: this to her executives to say we should put this 41 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 4: on the air. 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: Oh, right before our. 43 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: Twenty sixteen presidential election, when Hillary Clinton was running on 44 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 4: the Democratic ticket. 45 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: At the time. Amy Robach took this story to her 46 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: superiors and they said, I don't know who Jeffrey Epstein is. 47 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: His name was already all over the news is a 48 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: convicted saxophone. 49 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, one of the things you've been talking about on 50 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 6: your show is your allegation that government officials are aiding 51 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 6: in Paracelia child trafficking and the gree of job right. 52 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: You may like what Jeffrey Epstein, there is a disturbing 53 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: feeling in the land. Dan Bongino, I don't know him personally, 54 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: but I've always thought it was very worthright, straightforward, effective 55 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: talk show host, interesting past, which makes him an interesting 56 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: voice based on his life experience, now says there is 57 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: no Epstein list. After five years of saying there was 58 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: often cash Bettel now says no, no Epstein list. The 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: two of them together say Epstein killed himself, there's nobody else. 60 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: Wait a second, we know that the officers weren't around, 61 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: they're supposedly asleep. We know the cameras were just saying 62 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: we know all these things, and now you're just you're 63 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: gaslighting us. Why are they doing this? Who is making 64 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: this decision? If there is no Epstein list, then there 65 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: are no criminals. Why is Gielane Maxwell still in prison? 66 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: There are, of course, lots of rumors, allegations, fears, conspiracies 67 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: that there are foreign countries and organizations behind this effort. 68 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: Who was really running Jeffrey Epstein, who was really profiting 69 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: off of compromising pictures and videos of powerful people who 70 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: could be lured with the drug that gets most every man, 71 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: and that is sex with beautiful young ladies illegal too 72 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: young by the laws of any nation. You may have 73 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: this forbidden fruit. We will provide it to you, but 74 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: there will be a cost. And Jeffrey Epstein was the 75 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: smiling hell fellow well met who led people to believe 76 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: there would be no cost, but there was. So now 77 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: we're told, yeah, Epstein, no big deal. So why did 78 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: Pam Bondy say she had all the documents on her desk? 79 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: And then they brought the influencers down, and the influencer 80 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: were walking out, folks we all know, and they're holding 81 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: this binder full of documents. It's the Epstein List. And 82 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: then we find out that it's just a bunch of 83 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: pages with black blotches on it. There's literally nothing on it. 84 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: It's a bunch of pages that took a lot of 85 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: inat because there's just black boxes. Nothing is on the page. 86 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: And now we find out we're not going to find 87 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: out anything. This was one of the great conspiracies that 88 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: we all knew to be true and we all still 89 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: know to be true. And now we're being told by 90 00:05:55,320 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: the top members of the administration though, focus on the Democrats. Wow. 91 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: The President over the weekend speaking and saying we're going 92 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: to leave deportations of farm workers to the farmers because 93 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: they know better than the other people. 94 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 7: And the right wing, the cranky right wing, won't like it. 95 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 7: Wait what, Wait, what we're going to Wait, We're just 96 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 7: supposed to swallow that. I know I'm going to get 97 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 7: primary now. I know I'm not helping the president like 98 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 7: I'm supposed to. 99 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: I know I'm being a bad guy. I know this. 100 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: You shouldn't do this, folks. Are we just supposed to trust? 101 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: And no matter what happens today we find out we're 102 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: sending more weapons to Ukraine? Are we just supposed to 103 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: Is that what we're going to do? Is that everybody's 104 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: going to do this? And if you dare question, if 105 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: you dare question, and you're not on the Trump train anymore, 106 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: You're not maga, You're not a bad You're not a 107 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: good person. This, folks, Is this Tim phiel right aim 108 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: of the Gulf of Mexico to the golf of Michael Berry, 109 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: which has a beautiful way. The reason I spend so 110 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: much time reading emails is because of emails like this, Well, 111 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: it keeps me in touch with you. I get a 112 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: lot of feedback on the show. Little things you like, 113 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: where you live, what you do, your perspective, things I 114 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: hadn't thought about, books, movies. Here's a clip of a 115 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: speech you need to hear, a Ted talk on this. 116 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: Have you ever considered this? I found this interesting. I 117 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: think you're wrong on this, and I find that engagement 118 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: to be very fulfilling. And I think in the process 119 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: we've created something of a community. So from Friday, with 120 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: the horrible storms in central Texas, in the Texas Hill Country, 121 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: I was getting a lot of messages from mothers and 122 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: fathers and grandparents and aunts and uncles and teachers and 123 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: coaches who knew this or that person involved, whether it 124 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: was a counselor or a camper or a staffer, or 125 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: just people who were in that community who were also 126 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: affected law enforcement, and it gets to be makes you know, 127 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: and it gives you a foreboding sort of exhausting sense 128 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: because you can't do anything about it. Where you're sitting 129 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: and you're hoping for good news, and all you can 130 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: imagine is a grief. There's an empathy toward a parent 131 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: that's having to go through this, and then you start 132 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: thinking about the little girls and what they went through. 133 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: And as a parent, as I told you yesterday, Crockett 134 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: my youngest, and Michael, my oldest, they're eighteen and nineteen. 135 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: They've for the last couple of years gone to a 136 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: youth camp with a group called Young Life, which is 137 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: a Christian youth group, and they go to Colorado and 138 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: they do Bible study in the mountains and they sleep 139 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: outdoors and it's a wonderful, wonderful experience and they really 140 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: really get close to the Lord and they read their 141 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: Bible and it's a journey spiritually as well as physically, 142 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: and they both come back very strong, and I enjoy it. 143 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: I enjoy it for them, but I also worry they're 144 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: out on the side of a mountain. I hike mountains 145 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: in Colorado. I know what's out there, and so you 146 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: just want your precious little ones to come home. And yeah, 147 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: my eighteen and nineteen year olds are still precious little 148 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: ones to me. So with everything going on, with the 149 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: floods and the little girls there. I got an email 150 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: that kind of stuck out. It was a little different, 151 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: and I would like to read it to you, it 152 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: said Michael. As the coverage around the floods continues to 153 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: shift toward politics and agendas, I keep thinking about the families, 154 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: the ones quietly carrying the deep personal grief behind the headlines. 155 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: It's something I know all too well. I'm Carly McCord's mom, Carly, 156 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: who was an ESPN reporter that you can easily pull 157 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: up on the internet. That day changed my life, my families. 158 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: That day changed my family's life forever. The Today Show, 159 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: as well as many national and international news outlets, covered 160 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: this story back in December of twenty nineteen. I'm reaching 161 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: out to ask if you'd be interested in doing a 162 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: story about this topic oneting rooted in compassion and honesty. 163 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: Not to promote my recent book Only Rainbows, the Carly 164 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: McCord Story, but simply to talk about what it's like 165 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: to live through a public tragedy from the inside out, 166 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: the part that no one sees, the grief that lingers 167 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: after the cameras are gone. So Karen McCord is our 168 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: guest Karen. First of all, thank you for reaching out. 169 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: Oh thank you. I appreciate it, love your show, and 170 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 3: I do. 171 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: Want to talk about your efforts or your daughter. With 172 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: Only Rainbow was your book before we were done, so 173 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: I'm giving you carte blanche that I do want to 174 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: get to that in a moment. Let's start with something 175 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure you've had to tell a thousand times, but 176 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: I can't imagine it ever gets easier. Tell me about 177 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: the LSU football game where your daughter the ESPN reporter 178 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: who I actually met. I don't know if you saw 179 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: my email I did. I I was m seeing an 180 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: event for the Louisiana Pediatric Cardiology Association at the request 181 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: of Michael Hudson, my friend who ran our radio station 182 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: at the time, and he had a daughter, Charlie, who 183 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: had a hole in her heart. So every year I 184 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: would m see that thing. And Steve Imsminger was there, 185 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator for the LSU at the time, and 186 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: his son and your daughter, and they were dancing, and 187 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: he brought them over and we talked, and it was 188 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: it was a great evening. It wasn't a deep conversation, 189 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: but it was a neat story and Lsu was riding 190 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: high and that was a lot of fun. Talk me 191 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: through that horrible day and how it all happened. 192 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 3: Okay, well, you know what, Michael. The first thing is 193 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: you said, I was shopping at fresh Market and I 194 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 3: was doing my grocery shopping and that sort of thing. 195 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: And I had checked out my grocery store from the 196 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: grocery store, and I looked at the lady and I said, oh, 197 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: I have a coffee and she said, oh, no, the 198 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: coffee's on me. You're going to need it. And I 199 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: didn't know what she meant by that. And as I 200 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 3: walked to my car, I was looking at the time 201 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 3: and I realized that Carley had not called me, because 202 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: she had promised to call me, you know, when she 203 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: had got there and when she had arrived. And I said, oh, 204 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: it's getting a little late, but she's probably running into 205 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: the press box and doing her thing, and so I'll 206 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: just text her in a few minutes. At that time, 207 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: and this is where the story does get public and 208 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 3: gets kind of purple to us. At that time, one 209 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: of her friends called me up and said, Karen, tell 210 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: me it's not true. And I said, what are you 211 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: talking about? It's not true. And she hung up on me, 212 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, I called it back. 213 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,359 Speaker 3: She goes, please tell me, it's not true the plane crash, 214 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 3: and then she hung up on me again, and at 215 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: that time, you know, I called her back and she 216 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: told me, she said, there there's one survivor, but there's 217 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 3: been a plane crash and four people have died. And 218 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: so I realized at this point everybody, you know, it 219 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: had hit media and all over the uh, you know, 220 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 3: the airwaves and that sort of thing. But my husband 221 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 3: and I had no idea what was going on. And 222 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: so I called Tracy, who is my husband, and we 223 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: ran over to his mom's to tell her, you know, 224 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: that Carly had probably passed away or there was a 225 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: plane crash, and but we will holding on to hope 226 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 3: because the hope was is that there was one survivor, 227 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 3: and for some reason, you know, I was holding out 228 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 3: hope that that one survival was Carly. But the rest 229 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 3: of the world knew it wasn't Carly because she was 230 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 3: the first one to be identified. But you know, I 231 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 3: look back on that, Michael, and to realize, you know, 232 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: you think that people call or you know, they don't 233 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: hit the airwaves before you know, the family is notified. 234 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: Those days are over because of social media and you know, 235 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 3: news being in the you know, traveling so quickly. It was, 236 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: like I said, all over the place before we knew it. 237 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: I was not aware of all that. I'm just processing, 238 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: you know that there's so many layers to grief. I 239 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: don't know how much you've watched of the floodwaters in Houston, 240 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: I mean in Purville, but you know, first you get 241 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: the news your daughter's missing, and then oh, they're bringing 242 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: them in. They found her, and then oh, no, they haven't, 243 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: and then she's still missing, and the hours linger on 244 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: and just linger and linger, and with each new development 245 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: you want to be notified your daughter was found, but 246 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: not among the perished. And it's just losing a child 247 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: is enough to deal with. To have to deal with 248 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: that level as well. Karen McCord is our guest. Her 249 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: daughter was the ESPN reporter married to the offensive coordinator 250 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: for LSU, and on the way to a game where 251 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: she was working as a sports reporter, the plane crash 252 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: and she died. We're talking about the grief therefore, listen 253 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: to the Michael Berry Show podcast if you dare. Aaron 254 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: McCord is our guest. Her daughter was Carly McCord. She 255 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: was on her way to an LSU football game in 256 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: that amazing twenty nineteen season, and she would find out 257 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: after everyone else, because he'd been on national television, that 258 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: her daughter had perished in a plane crash. The story 259 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: is available on the internet. You can find it rather easily. 260 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: You'd probably remember it at the time, but we're talking 261 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: about the grief of a parent, with so many of 262 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: my neighbors in Houston losing loved ones in the floodwaters 263 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: of Kerrville in these floods of late and everybody's affected 264 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: in one way or another by natural disaster, violence, accident, 265 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: and it's a position we're all going to go through 266 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: one way or another. Karen McCord offers some ways that 267 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: she dealt with that. So you get the news and 268 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: you and your husband realize, Okay, your daughter is not 269 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: one of this is not the loan survivor. She has perished. 270 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: What happens to you physically and mentally at that moment, 271 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: to the extent you remember. 272 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 3: You know, it's so interesting, And the reason is is 273 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 3: because you got to remember everybody in Baton rouge. Not everybody, 274 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: of course, but you know, most people in that ruge 275 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 3: are celebrating because this is a big deal, you know 276 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: in Tiger country, is that we're this close to the 277 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 3: national championship plus the Heisman Trophy. Joe Burrough, you know, 278 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: the whole season was a dream team. And you know, Michael, 279 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: the first thing I thought to myself was is, oh 280 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 3: my god, I've been pulling for the wrong team this 281 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 3: whole season, because if Alabama had been in this position 282 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 3: and had won, you know, the SEC championship or the 283 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 3: semi finals, you know, this crash wouldn't have happened. But 284 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: at that moment, I, first of all, we were planning. 285 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 3: The reason why I was at the grocery store was 286 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: is we were planning this huge party, so all of 287 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: a sudden, it was like a big crash. And then 288 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: I can remember looking at the television and looking at 289 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: Carly's father in law, who was Stevens at the time, 290 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 3: and he was wiping tears from his eyes, and he 291 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 3: looked and I thought, I had this strange thought about 292 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 3: how this was the one of the highest or if 293 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 3: not the highest point of his career, yet it was 294 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 3: the greatest tragedy that had ever happened, probably in his life. 295 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: You know, his son lost his wife of almost two years, 296 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: and I could just remember, you know, thinking that the 297 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 3: high of the day turned into the lowest part of 298 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 3: the day, and as the days progressed. This is where 299 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 3: people don't understand. 300 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: You know. 301 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 3: It's like all of a sudden, social media, you know, 302 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: started to come into play, and this is what's going 303 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: to happen with the flood victims. It's probably already happened 304 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 3: with the flood victims. But you know, stories come out 305 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: under the social media. Is like Carly was pregnant. Well, no, 306 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: she wasn't pregnant, but at the time when I read 307 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: it and heard it, I'm like, oh my god, that 308 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 3: adds even another layer. Or you know, how dare her 309 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: father in law coach in that game? Well, Carly and 310 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 3: coach Steve Ensminger know that in sports, you play the game. 311 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 3: You get out there and play the game, and then 312 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: you deal with your personal emotions afterwards. Currently would have 313 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: wanted Steve to go out there and coach that game. 314 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 3: It wouldn't have been an option for her, and it 315 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 3: wasn't an option for him. 316 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: And I saw that coach Orgeron, who I adore. We're 317 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: not best friends, but I got the opportunity to spend 318 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: some time with him and interview him, and we were 319 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: texting buddies for a while. I think Orgeron is a 320 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: fascinating cat. I think he's a great week he is. 321 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: But I saw after the game where he was asked 322 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: about that, and you could tell he was for klemped. 323 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: He didn't know how to deal with it, and he said, 324 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: that's the kind of guy Steve Ensminger is. He's called 325 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: maybe the best game of his life after that bad 326 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: news because he owed that to the team. And then 327 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: and then Burrow didn't know. They go to Joe Burrow 328 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: and he says, he says, I'll have to talk to 329 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: coach about that. I wasn't aware. I guess some of 330 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: the players knew that he didn't and you didn't. 331 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: And you know, Michael, I'm going to stop you there 332 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 3: because one of the announcers at the very end said 333 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 3: he turned to Joe Burrow after that emotional thing and 334 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 3: he says, hey, get me a T shirt, and you know, 335 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 3: you're like what you know? And that was piercing to us. 336 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying the whole interview wasn't piercing 337 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: to us, because those things happen when you're in the media. 338 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: But when I turns to him and says, oh, and 339 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 3: by the way, Joe, don't forget me to get me 340 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 3: a T shirt when you get a chance, and I'm 341 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: like a T shirt. My daughter died. You know, wow, 342 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: it was crazy. 343 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: It was So let's talk about the stages of grief 344 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: for you. And you know, there's lots written about it, 345 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: there's lots of therapist who's spoken about it. But let's 346 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 1: talk about how when you got this tragic news and 347 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: it's very public and it's being carried and she's an 348 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: ESPN reporter and LSU and all and her father in laws, 349 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: Let's talk about how you dealt with that grief, what 350 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: you did right and what you did wrong? 351 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 7: Right? 352 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 3: And there were a lot of things I did right 353 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: and there are a lot of things, you know, that 354 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: we could have done better. The first thing is is 355 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: that people don't realize that even though everybody's still talking 356 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: about the tragedy and talking about the National Championship, we're 357 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 3: picking Paul Bearrys out, We're picking Earns out for my 358 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: daughter we're making funeral arrangements, and so while the internet 359 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,239 Speaker 3: is going crazy and that sort of thing, you know, 360 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: we are behind the scenes doing all the things that 361 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 3: parents have to do to prepare for their child's deaf 362 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 3: And that's the things people don't see. They don't see 363 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 3: that behind the scenes where we're calling Mike to Tellier 364 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 3: to read at Carly's funeral because two years ago, two 365 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: years earlier, as he read for the wedding, And so 366 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 3: that was one of the first things that was just 367 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: heartbroaking and piercing. But the second thing is is that 368 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 3: all of a sudden we realized that we were and 369 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 3: I used this word but it's probably not the correct words, 370 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: but we were celebrities. And the fact that we could 371 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 3: not go anywhere without without having the look, a look 372 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 3: of sadness from people or how are you doing? Or 373 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 3: we couldn't go we couldn't go to the grocery store 374 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 3: without being bombarded with lots of questions. And people mean well, 375 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: they truly truly do mean well. But looking back on it, 376 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: I probably would have gone more incognito to places, but 377 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: I had no idea that I was my family was 378 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: going to be bombarded with this publicity, So that was 379 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 3: something that I learned in grief. I also I had 380 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 3: this need, an overwhelming need to make something positive come 381 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 3: out of this tragedy. Even at that moment, I kept 382 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: thinking to myself, I need to do something. I can't 383 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: make this so negative. I have to make it positive. 384 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 3: But as I was going through that, my husband was 385 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 3: going inward, as I wanted to go outward. My daughter 386 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 3: started her scholarship, Carly's scholarship at Northwestern State quickly, and 387 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 3: my son became the rock. We all took a different role, 388 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 3: and so my outward and my need to make something 389 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: positive come from the tragedy really upset Tracy because he 390 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: wanted to stay. 391 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: Inward in his and we all believe differently. I have 392 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: experienced this, we all grieve different But everybody knows who 393 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: this guy is. 394 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 6: Come on, man with. 395 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry, come on. Sharon McCord is our guest. 396 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: If you google the name Carly McCord, you will see 397 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: that she was an ESPN reporter, a beautiful young lady 398 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: well known in the sports world. She was on a 399 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: private jet flying into Lafayette, Louisiana, and the jet crashed 400 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: and she perished and her mother is sharing some perspectives 401 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: on what it was like to have the loss of 402 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: a young one way too early, much like these these 403 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: floods in Texas, and how you deal with the layers 404 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: of grief, and how different that was for her and 405 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: her husband to go through. Karen, I'll just pick up 406 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: where we were. Your husband wanted to kind of retreat 407 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: and heal, and you I wanted to make something good 408 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: come of it, which is perfectly understandable for each of you. 409 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: How did that work itself out? 410 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: Well? I wrote the book. My husband has yet to 411 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 3: read it, but now I have learned that I need 412 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: to go ahead and to respect his prophecy. He doesn't 413 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 3: have to listen to this to the Michael Berry Show, 414 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 3: although he loves you so much, he probably will, but anyway, 415 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: but you know, he has not read the book. My 416 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 3: son hasn't read the book. My daughter hasn't read the book. 417 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 3: Because I now realized that as public as I want 418 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: to go, they don't have to take the journey with me. 419 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: They can take their own journey. However, I am going 420 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 3: to say this sounds very easy, but there were many, many, 421 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 3: many days that I felt as though we were all 422 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: walking on shards of glass and we were going to 423 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 3: just stick ourselves and bleed out. We were hanging on 424 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: as a family by a thread. The good word is 425 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 3: is a family. We really started to we really learned 426 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: how to define the word family and that we were 427 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: going to get through this. But it wasn't without trials, 428 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: tribulations and piercing heartbreaks. You know, right after Carly died, 429 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: COVID hit and so the world shut down and Tracy 430 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 3: and I were in isolation. So my need for seeing 431 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 3: people and being with my mom was so great. But 432 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: my mom was in a nursing home and she had 433 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 3: Alzheimer's and so by the time I got to see 434 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: her again, you know, I'm like, Mom, I needed you, 435 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 3: And she looked at me and she said, I love you, Gloria. 436 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: She had not even remembered my name. And I can 437 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: remember just feeling so deeply depressed because, you know, I 438 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 3: needed my mom during that time, and she was there, 439 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 3: even if it was even if she I needed her 440 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 3: just to talk about it and tell her mom Carly 441 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: died and you know, just spill my goods to her. 442 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 3: You know, I couldn't. And when I finally did see her, 443 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 3: you know, like I said, I did not remember her. 444 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 3: Tracy actually began experiencing physical illness and he would run 445 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: one hundred and five grades of fever. They would think 446 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 3: he was dying of COVID. They took COVID tests over 447 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: and over again, and finally the doctor looked at Tracy 448 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 3: and said, Tracy, you don't have COVID. You're dying. You're 449 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 3: not dying, but you have a broken heart and it's 450 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: killing you slowly. And so we had to deal with 451 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: things like that. And you know, like I said, the 452 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,880 Speaker 3: COVID didn't help, and it didn't help with the sports 453 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 3: world either because you know, the next year or the 454 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 3: next fall when sports was going to kick back up, 455 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: we you know, the sports world was so different. I 456 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 3: couldn't look at football. I couldn't look at baseball, you know, 457 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: I couldn't look at basketball, because she covered all those sports. 458 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: And even though everybody was in isolation, I still couldn't 459 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 3: even begin to fathom twenty people in the stadium and 460 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 3: how Carly would have reacted to the COVID season. And 461 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 3: so there were so many layers of this, and that's 462 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 3: one of the reasons why I reached out to you. Michael, 463 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 3: was is that. You know, I have insight into the 464 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 3: journey of ahead of these people that are going to experience, 465 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: These people who lost their children and lost loved ones 466 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 3: in this flood, I know what they're going to go through, 467 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 3: and I would like to ask the audience to please 468 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 3: not put agendas to this. Stop blaming Donald Trump because 469 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 3: of this, and please don't think I'm politicizing this. But 470 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: this is this is mother nature. Let them deal with it, 471 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: you know, and your opinions, yes, that's part of social media. 472 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: But when you write your opinions and social media, when 473 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: you write your opinions on the internet, remember there are 474 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 3: other people on the other side that are grieving and 475 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: they don't want to hear that it was a political 476 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: reason because it was a mother nature thing. Yes we 477 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: could learn from this, Yes we could grow from this. 478 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 3: But to place blame and to place blame so quickly, 479 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: it's painful for the people who are grieving. 480 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: You know, like most things in society, and social media 481 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: only becomes a reflection of this. It doesn't cause it. 482 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: It becomes a reflection of it. Most people see everything 483 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: through the lens of their own experience. They are offended 484 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,959 Speaker 1: or I died by what someone says in a public speech, 485 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: in a movie, in writing based on whether they feel 486 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: it complements or insults their own life decisions and journey. 487 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: And I think that that's a natural tendency, but I 488 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: think it can be frustrating to other people. I don't 489 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: think that most people consider when they write something that's 490 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: going to on a public wall, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, that 491 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: they consider that the mother of that child's going to 492 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: read it. And I say that with a very with 493 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: a very specific set of life experiences, and that being 494 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: that people will send me an email that I'm an 495 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: sb mf awful person, hater did it. And I will 496 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: send back and say, I probably am all of those things, 497 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: but could you give me the specific reason you're saying. 498 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 3: That, so that at least I know, And often I 499 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 3: don't get yea. 500 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: Often I don't get the response until the next morning, 501 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: where I am informed that they shouldn't be aren't texting, 502 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: or I'll get the I'll get the response that you 503 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: know what, I never expected you to read it, and 504 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: so it becomes this sort of I don't think people 505 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: consider the consequence that you're putting something in the middle 506 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: of the street and you just never know who's going 507 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: to drive by. I have about thirty seconds and that's 508 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: too little time. But can you tell me about the book, 509 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: Karen McCord, I want to make sure we do that 510 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: and how to get it. 511 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: Yes, it is only Rainbows to Carlee McCord story. It 512 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: is on Amazon and it is on Barnes and Nobles, 513 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 3: and hopefully it's going to be going national real soon. 514 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 3: We're real excited about that. If you know. One of 515 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 3: the things is that one of the things that helped 516 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 3: me was is people gave me books and I read them. 517 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 3: One of them was The Shack beautifully written book, and 518 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 3: I kept referring back to it over and over again. 519 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: So when people are breathing, a book is a really 520 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: nice gift to give. And so hopefully that's one of 521 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 3: the ways that I can give back. And if I 522 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 3: can share a quick story, let me see if I 523 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 3: can get it in within ten seconds. I went to 524 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: a Greek counselor and she said, Karen, she said, what 525 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: was the worst day of your life? And I looked 526 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 3: at her and I said December eighth, twenty nineteenth, of course, 527 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: And she says, we'll stay with me, and she said, 528 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 3: what would you have done differently. And I said I 529 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 3: would have stopped that plane, whether or not I had 530 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 3: to jump on the wings of the plane, I would 531 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 3: have stopped that plane. And she looked at me and 532 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: she said, ah, so you would have played God. And 533 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 3: I said no, I would have played a mom loving 534 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 3: her daughter, stopping from her plunging from her death. And 535 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 3: she said, Karen, don't you think God could have stopped 536 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: it as well? And I said yes, but I'm not God. 537 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 3: And she goes, Karen, but God didn't stop it because 538 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: and he didn't stop you from stopping it, because it 539 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 3: wasn't yours to change. It was her time, and Michael's deep, deep, 540 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 3: deep in my soul, I knew she was right. It 541 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 3: was Carly's time. As hard as that was to realize, 542 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 3: I realized that God took her because that was as 543 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 3: long as she needed to live.