WEBVTT - Stephen Park Meets World

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like I've talked about on mostly off

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<v Speaker 2>my book, probably on Mike too. You know, I always

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<v Speaker 2>have this this debate with you guys about how I

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<v Speaker 2>like local places.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's hard to get an experience yesterday which is

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<v Speaker 3>just the epitome that just distilled all the pros and

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<v Speaker 3>the cons and like one experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like thinking of you guys the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>Because my favorite example of this is when I complained

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<v Speaker 2>about my dentist who was like my local dentist and

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<v Speaker 2>where you were like and I was like, she's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a bad dentist, and you were.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, get a better dentist.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So so my key in my car, I went to

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<v Speaker 2>turn it and its just like snapped, just like like oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like what So I had to like literally take

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<v Speaker 2>the metal part was okay, but I had to like

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<v Speaker 2>take a pair of plyers to like to turn it,

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<v Speaker 2>turn it right. Or actually I didn't take a pair

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<v Speaker 2>of What I did is like I took the key

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<v Speaker 2>fob part and like clamped it on there and anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So this goes on for like a day or two.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course I know that if you call the

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<v Speaker 2>dealer in this case Toyota, like we had done this

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<v Speaker 2>for my wife. It's like a four hundred dollars replacement

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<v Speaker 2>the key because they got to like reprogram and and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, there's no way this you can do this,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's an I'm gonna do a lot, right. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>So I go on Amazon and and like you can

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<v Speaker 2>find replacement key fobs that you can etch with the key.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, okay, six dollars. I get two of

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<v Speaker 2>them because I need two of them, right, I get

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<v Speaker 2>two new keys. I go like, I find a locksmith,

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<v Speaker 2>like the local. Actually I go to the hardware store

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<v Speaker 2>first and they're like, oh no, we can't you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't do that. We do it local. And we

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<v Speaker 2>talked to them and no, they tried. They were like

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<v Speaker 2>we keys but like car keys, and they took it

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<v Speaker 2>behind the count like no, we can't. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>well where you know, Oh, there's a lots of it

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<v Speaker 2>down the street across from the McDonald's, right across the

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<v Speaker 2>just go to McDonald's and then go to dealership. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, yeah, we're gonna do this. And I

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<v Speaker 2>show up and this is before I'm meeting you guys

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<v Speaker 2>for lunch. I only have like ten minutes because I

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<v Speaker 2>figured this is quick, right, And I walk in. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the guy's there and he's got like a

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<v Speaker 2>mask on because he's probably.

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<v Speaker 5>Welding doing that cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, hey man, you know and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, and it's five bucks a key.

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<v Speaker 6>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like yeah, sure, and etches my keys and I'm like, great,

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<v Speaker 2>hand them cash and he tells me. He's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just recently got cast off. So he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>my hand is you know, he hasn't used his right hand.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, already, this is great. Like I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation.

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<v Speaker 5>This guy lives in my neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably we're talking about I give him cash.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been used weeks off the book.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, but okay, I'll seal it or yeah, I'm walking out,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna use this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta remember this this locksmith. He's just like a

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<v Speaker 2>mile from my house. Gotta remember this guy next time

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<v Speaker 2>I need a lock Get into my car, turn it up,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't start. I'm like, the key fits, turns but doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>turn over the engine. I'm like, that's really weird. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't get out and I walk it. I'm like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>would you know why? He's like, oh yeah, well probably

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<v Speaker 2>a chip. And I'm like, okay, well that would have

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<v Speaker 2>been nice to know before you ride. So already I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>well this backfired, Like yeah, Toyota wouldn't have had this problem.

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<v Speaker 2>It's already like okay, well, and I'm like, so what

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<v Speaker 2>do I you know, what what do I do? And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, well, you know, no, no, he starts. He

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<v Speaker 2>starts explaining. He's like it's a chip. And I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well you know what is that? You know, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to be way too long an ex if you have

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<v Speaker 2>the old Bob. I'm like, well I do have the

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<v Speaker 2>old Bob. And he's like, well, then the chip's in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, well look here, I got to bring

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<v Speaker 2>the car back around back. I can plug in my computer.

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<v Speaker 2>I can, you know, for eighty five bucks, I can

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<v Speaker 2>and give you a whole new and he's like and

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, And I'm like eighty five but should

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<v Speaker 2>have just gone to toilet. But then he's like, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know what if you if you need two keys,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do, He's like, I'll just give you both

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<v Speaker 2>for the same and I'm like, oh, so, I'm like.

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<v Speaker 5>This is this is why you go to the lot?

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<v Speaker 4>This is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so I bring my car around back. Now

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<v Speaker 2>we're hanging out. He's plugging in this computer which.

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<v Speaker 5>Looks meanwhile ly who cares, actually what, I'm kind of friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And he plugs in this computer which they totally

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<v Speaker 2>look like. I didn't think know these things exist. You

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<v Speaker 2>can like have computers that plug into the lock and

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<v Speaker 2>read out to him what chip I need on? It's

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<v Speaker 2>crazy like, and so he like tells me, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>an I six e chip, and I mean it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like straight out of the movie Hackers. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 2>that from the where you like can plug something into

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<v Speaker 2>a lock. And then he takes my key and he

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<v Speaker 2>plugs it into this other little thing and it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>looks like my key is just sitting in a bowl basically,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's able to like read the key. He's like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's this kind of chip. But the fobs that I

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<v Speaker 2>bought from Amazon don't have a chip, so he can't

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<v Speaker 2>program those chips. And I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be late for lunch now, Yeah, what do I do.

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<v Speaker 2>But but he's like, you know, here's the thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>he opens up the fob. You know, he's like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you still have the old fob, and I'd already thrown

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<v Speaker 2>one of them all. He's like, the chip is here.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, it's not gonna cost you anything. I won't.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't even need me, like, just you just pull

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<v Speaker 2>this chip out, work it out. And so again I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is great. I noticed it's like his you know,

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<v Speaker 2>cause I'm asking about his cast in his hand and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh yeah, his skin is like flaking off.

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<v Speaker 5>Right like he probably handling some chips.

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<v Speaker 2>This is kind of kind of gross, like you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's telling me about how it's like he broke

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<v Speaker 2>his arm and it healed wrong, like now it's and

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<v Speaker 2>they want to like rebreak it. But he's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just goidding. So we're laughing and telling stories and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the human connection thing. Meanwhile, he is flaking his.

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<v Speaker 4>Skin into here.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally like brushing is oh my god. And I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh, Will and Danielle,

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<v Speaker 2>I love. This is the cost of the human experience here.

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<v Speaker 7>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy is literally why, And I like, what do

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<v Speaker 2>I say? I'm like, dude, like you say, he's like rubbing, flaking,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like like like corn flakes of skin coming

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<v Speaker 2>off into got my front and I'm like dude, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, yeah, he's telling me about his wrist and

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<v Speaker 2>his thing. But meanwhile he keeps doing it, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like you you're in my car. You are in my

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<v Speaker 2>and you are and he's like and then it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like these flaking and I'm just you know, and I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in my oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Got away.

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<v Speaker 2>I figured it out, pulled the chip out myself later

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<v Speaker 2>on last night. Everything's fine. So it was only five

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<v Speaker 2>bucks for him atch a key. Ultimately it did and

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<v Speaker 2>I had the human connection, but I also probably have

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some skin.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got some human connection left over, which is good.

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<v Speaker 8>And if this poor man turns up dead, his DNA's

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<v Speaker 8>all in your career car.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but I made it on time. You guys were

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<v Speaker 2>late yesterday and.

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<v Speaker 5>Was shut down, and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll use him again, I guess, as long as he's

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<v Speaker 2>not flaking his skin all over.

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<v Speaker 7>The Oh okay, did he he had all those supercomputers

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<v Speaker 7>did he have a handheld back?

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly Amazon, that Toyota's got all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, hundred dollars for a key when my

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<v Speaker 2>wife got a key replaced.

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<v Speaker 1>So like.

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<v Speaker 2>I've also I've also been to the Toyota dealership so

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<v Speaker 2>many times for like just oil changes. Whenever, I never

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<v Speaker 2>had a conversation with anybody there. So you know, now

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<v Speaker 2>I know this guy, he's always there.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, if what you're lacking is conversation, then you

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<v Speaker 7>should definitely.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk for a living.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how you need more.

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<v Speaker 6>By the way, you mentioned the movie Hackers, and just

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<v Speaker 6>as a as a strange side note, Hackers was the

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<v Speaker 6>first big movie I ever saw that makes a boy

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<v Speaker 6>meets World reference.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh what it fully what.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Hackers. I was actually thinking Sneakers, but go

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<v Speaker 2>on different, Okay, Sneakers was the exactly technology the Angelina

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<v Speaker 2>Joli movie. She's topless for a second one. But if

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<v Speaker 2>she's topless for a positive Oh yeah, I remember sitting

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<v Speaker 2>at Ocean's house for the VHS.

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<v Speaker 1>Reference.

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<v Speaker 8>The one of the characters says to another character, he's

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<v Speaker 8>he's like the youngest one of the crew, and he's like,

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<v Speaker 8>come on, boy meets World, Let's go, and so.

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<v Speaker 4>He literally calls him boy. First thing I've never seen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I was I knew that back then sitting in the.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you could only pay attention to that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Angelina fan huh back then? Right then?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because she had done that movie Foxfire with my

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<v Speaker 2>brother that child getting cut out of And when I

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<v Speaker 2>saw that, I was like, who is this person? She's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the most gorgeous woman alive and a good actor.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I also, yeah, she's a very girl interrupted

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<v Speaker 2>and all that. It was a huge crush.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, this is a good time for me to thank

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<v Speaker 7>all of our dear listeners who sent in a clip

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<v Speaker 7>for us that I'll play for you guys right now.

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<v Speaker 7>Very exciting in the universe for for Boy meets World

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<v Speaker 7>fans when something like this happens.

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<v Speaker 5>Sitcom's for eight hundred pies.

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<v Speaker 2>It was on this sitcom that Corey and Tapanga first

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<v Speaker 2>got together.

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<v Speaker 1>Skylight What is Boy Meets World?

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<v Speaker 7>Right, So we were a Jeopardy clue and we were

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<v Speaker 7>in sitcoms since.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, first got together. Oh because of Girl

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<v Speaker 2>meets World.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, first got together. Yeah, you know that.

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<v Speaker 4>We've We've been clues several times.

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<v Speaker 7>On I know many many times, but but this was

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<v Speaker 7>one of the first times since we've started the podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>So a lot of people sent it to us and wanted.

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<v Speaker 4>There are the other questions in this it coom category.

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<v Speaker 5>As well, I have them already.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you really?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>I had this indie Indian I wrote a bookstore once

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<v Speaker 2>and he wanted like joke books, like he likes getting

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<v Speaker 2>joke books.

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<v Speaker 5>Or trivia kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a such and so there was one that

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<v Speaker 2>was like nineties trivia and I'm like, India, I bet,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet, I'm in here, but word and like scouring

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<v Speaker 2>the word. It took a while. It was it wasn't me,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was a Boy Meets World day and it

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<v Speaker 2>took a while. I was like, if anybody sees me

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<v Speaker 2>in this Barnes and Noble or whatever, flipping through this

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<v Speaker 2>book looking for my I was like, this is embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, let's play.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's play the game. Ready TV sitcoms for four hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 7>In the UK version of the Office, this comedian played

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<v Speaker 7>David Brent, a character similar to Okay, yep, eight hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 7>It was on this sitcom The Corey and to manga

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<v Speaker 7>first got Together.

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<v Speaker 4>What is Boys World?

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<v Speaker 2>Boys the Boys? Yeah, Boys Meets the.

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<v Speaker 7>World, Boys Meet World for twelve hundred dollars From twenty

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<v Speaker 7>ten to twenty sixteen. Melissa McCarthy start opposite Billy Gardell

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<v Speaker 7>on this sitcom.

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<v Speaker 4>Molly and Me So Close? Isn't that what it's called?

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<v Speaker 4>I never seen it? Nope?

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<v Speaker 5>What is Mike and Molly?

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<v Speaker 4>Mike and Molly? That's yes, I never saw that one.

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<v Speaker 7>Bronson Pinchot, who played Balky bar Talla Moose Song Stranger comedy, Yes,

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<v Speaker 7>as yes, it is perfect Strangers two thousand. On thirty Rock,

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<v Speaker 7>Tracy Jordan is the star of TGS, which originally stood

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<v Speaker 7>for I've.

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<v Speaker 4>Never seen it. I've never seen a thirty Rock in

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<v Speaker 4>my life.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, what is the girly show?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that's it.

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<v Speaker 5>There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've never seen thirty Rock.

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<v Speaker 8>No, never seen a single A single episode of thirty Rock,

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<v Speaker 8>a single episode of Community.

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<v Speaker 2>Watching television at like two thousand and fourish.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, pretty much, and then just goes back to I

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<v Speaker 8>think was the last new one that I watched?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a new show, that's well, it.

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<v Speaker 8>Was, I mean it ended in what twy ten something

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<v Speaker 8>like that, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so yeah, I'm pretty much yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, welcome to Pod meets World. I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>right strong, and i am what is will Fredell.

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<v Speaker 7>Throughout our rewatch of the show, now six seasons in,

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<v Speaker 7>we have seen dozens of guest stars where we find

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<v Speaker 7>ourselves saying, hey, I know that guy. He's in everything,

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<v Speaker 7>and then Will proceeds to tell us exactly which Seinfeld

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<v Speaker 7>episode or episodes he's in. Then he recites two to

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<v Speaker 7>three lines from his best movie. It is like clockwork.

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<v Speaker 7>And so we've learned that Boy Meets World really did

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<v Speaker 7>cast some of the best TV character actors of all time,

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<v Speaker 7>and this week we get to talk to one of

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<v Speaker 7>the best. He somehow began his career in Spike Lee's

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<v Speaker 7>Do the Right Thing and has worked with a murderer's

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<v Speaker 7>row of Hollywood's best directors over a three decade career

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<v Speaker 7>that is still going strong. But you may know him

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<v Speaker 7>best from two things.

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<v Speaker 5>One.

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<v Speaker 7>He was a cast member on the revolutionary sketch show

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<v Speaker 7>in Living Color cultural moment, where he not only helped

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<v Speaker 7>change television forever, but introduced us to stars like Jim Carrey,

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<v Speaker 7>Jamie Fox and Jennifer Lopez and two his bone chilling

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<v Speaker 7>scenes stealing and somehow humorous moment in the Academy Award

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<v Speaker 7>winning movie Fargo where he breaks down to an old

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<v Speaker 7>high school friend about his deep well of sadness and

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<v Speaker 7>then tries to seduce her after detailing the death of

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<v Speaker 7>his wife, which is definitely a lie. And in addition

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<v Speaker 7>to these unforgettable projects, here are some other movies you've

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<v Speaker 7>seen him in Kindergarten, Cop Quick Change, Toys, Falling Down,

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<v Speaker 7>A Serious Man, Snow Piercer, The French Dispatch, Asteroid City,

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<v Speaker 7>and the highly anticipated upcoming Bong June Ho sci fi

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<v Speaker 7>film Mickey seventeen starring Robert Pattinson. But today we are

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<v Speaker 7>sitting him down to talk about the one time he

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<v Speaker 7>was on a primetime family sitcom, playing jump Master in

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<v Speaker 7>season five's Standout and an episode in contention for our

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<v Speaker 7>favorite ever Raging Corey helping the Matthews men bond by

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<v Speaker 7>putting their life on the line, and we'll bother him

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<v Speaker 7>about some other things too. Welcome to Pod Meets World.

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<v Speaker 7>A true artist. It's Steven Park.

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<v Speaker 5>We can see you, hi. Yes, we are so happy

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<v Speaker 5>to have you here.

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<v Speaker 7>When you popped up during our season five rewatch. We

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<v Speaker 7>could not stop smiling and we talked about how amazing

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<v Speaker 7>you were then. So to have you on the podcast

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<v Speaker 7>with us makes us happy all over again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny because the role was so small and

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<v Speaker 1>I was on Yeah, I just felt like I was

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<v Speaker 1>on there for like such a short maybe a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit longer than to take and go there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, why do they want to talk to me?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so nervous because I don't know what to talk about.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh my gosh, don't you worry. We have so many

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<v Speaker 7>questions for you. Also, you have to know you're in

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<v Speaker 7>a room with some big fans. Wilfredell here can quote

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<v Speaker 7>probably every one of your lines from almost anything you've done,

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<v Speaker 7>but especially Fargo.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty true. It's pretty true.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that's crazy. I know that. Actually, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember when we shot this ninety eight that was just

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<v Speaker 1>like Fargo had just come out recently.

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<v Speaker 8>I think, so, yeah, well I bought I bothered you

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<v Speaker 8>about it basically the entire week you were there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, and I think I remember.

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<v Speaker 5>That, Yeah, yeah, you stood him.

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<v Speaker 1>You were the one.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I just kept that's right.

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<v Speaker 8>I kept peppering you with questions just the whole week long,

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<v Speaker 8>because it was it was I mean, at the time,

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<v Speaker 8>it was it still is.

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<v Speaker 4>It holds up, but it was just it's a brilliant,

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<v Speaker 4>brilliant film.

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<v Speaker 8>And you say, I mean, it's a perfect example where

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<v Speaker 8>you say, oh, you're on boy me throw for a

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<v Speaker 8>short amount of time, but it was such a memorable

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<v Speaker 8>role on Boy.

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<v Speaker 4>Could be said for Fargo.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, you might be on for a short amount

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<v Speaker 8>of time, but it's such a memorable role, and it's

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<v Speaker 8>a it's a character and scenes that probably anybody else

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<v Speaker 8>might have looked at and been like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 8>we don't really need this for the story of the film.

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<v Speaker 4>We can this lifts right out.

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<v Speaker 8>But it so works and it's so important and it's

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<v Speaker 8>just so great that yeah, yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. I mean, I remember thinking, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that they might cut it because it didn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have anything to do with the rest of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't until a few years later that it

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<v Speaker 1>was on Roger Ebert's show. He had Martin scorseseion and

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<v Speaker 1>they were talking about their favorite movies of the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>and they brought up Fargo. And they played my scene

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<v Speaker 1>and Roger Ebert was describing how marg Linderson's character after

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<v Speaker 1>she finds out that my character was lying, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sets the light bulb off. And then she goes

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<v Speaker 1>to speak to Do Macy's character after she realizes. So

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<v Speaker 1>it did set off a little bit of a reaction,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't know that at the time. Coen Brothers

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<v Speaker 1>never explained anything to me, so I really, I really

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<v Speaker 1>did think, Wow, they might cut this.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 7>We have so many things we want to talk to

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<v Speaker 7>you about with your career, but before we jump into it,

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<v Speaker 7>I'd love to talk to you about your origin story.

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<v Speaker 7>We know that you are from the East Coast originally,

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<v Speaker 7>but when did you realize that being in the entertainment

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<v Speaker 7>industry was going to be your thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. It was kind of a long, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of torturous journey. Because I'm my father, I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>my father was a doctor. I was born in Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 1>New York. I was born in Clinton Hill and lived

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<v Speaker 1>there until about eight and then we moved two years

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<v Speaker 1>to Manhattan, and then we moved upstate. We landed in

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<v Speaker 1>a town called Vestal, which is adjacent to Binghamton, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I did most of my growing up there.

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<v Speaker 1>So I first started when I went to college, I

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<v Speaker 1>really did not know what I wanted to do with

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<v Speaker 1>my life, and so I was pursuing medicine because my

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<v Speaker 1>dad was a doctor, so I thought, okay. So but

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<v Speaker 1>I never had any kind of interest or proclivity towards

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<v Speaker 1>chemistry or for interview. So you know, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was like failing these classes. I'd bean just

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<v Speaker 1>like looking at different like organisms and biology class, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell when this from you. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>felt like this was not for me. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up transferring to school which was close to me,

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<v Speaker 1>which was Sudny Binghamton, and the same thing. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just signing up for classes. I didn't know what I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing, and then I would end up like dropping classes,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was kind of ready to drop out.

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<v Speaker 1>And my girlfriend at the time just said, before you

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<v Speaker 1>drop out, just you owe yourself. Just take one semester

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<v Speaker 1>of classes and the only criteria is that they have

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<v Speaker 1>to be fun, which was such an alien concept to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Such good advice.

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<v Speaker 1>I took an acting class, I took a mind class,

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<v Speaker 1>a vocal class and a body movement class. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was to me because you know, when I was growing

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<v Speaker 1>up as a kid, I was always like class clown.

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<v Speaker 1>I was always making super great movies like it was

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<v Speaker 1>something that I always enjoyed doing, but never considered it

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<v Speaker 1>a career. So anyway, I ended up getting my my

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<v Speaker 1>theater degree, and because you know, I thought it was funny,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people were funny. So I went to

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<v Speaker 1>New York City and started doing stand up comedy and

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing open mic nights, and then I got

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<v Speaker 1>involved with theater. I did my first play with pen

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<v Speaker 1>Asian Repertory Theater and that got me started with with

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<v Speaker 1>basically doing plays and then so I can't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was down in New York. I started my career

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty seven, and it was nineteen eighty eight

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<v Speaker 1>when I booked my first film, which was Do the

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<v Speaker 1>Right Thing. And I mean who knew. I mean, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like there were I it was at the

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<v Speaker 1>time when they were kind of a small pool of

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<v Speaker 1>Asian American actors. So for the first maybe ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew every agent American actor in both coasts. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we all knew each other. Yeah, so it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>like there was a big pool of actors. And anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>then soon after that happened, I moved to Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>and then in Living Color happened.

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<v Speaker 5>And how did you book the job for Do the

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<v Speaker 5>Right Thing? Did you? Did you just hear of the audition?

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<v Speaker 5>How did you book that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I heard the audition.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you have an agent?

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<v Speaker 1>I did? I had an agent, and I went into

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<v Speaker 1>the office and I forgot what Scena was, but I

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<v Speaker 1>remember Spike Lee gave me the part in the room

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<v Speaker 1>right after the audition, and I was like, because I

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<v Speaker 1>was already a huge fan of his from She's Got

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<v Speaker 1>to Have It, I was, I was in shock. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I just said, can I hug you? And then

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<v Speaker 1>he gave me a hug, and yeah, so that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like that was kind of the beginning. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was terrified too, because being a Korean American growing

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<v Speaker 1>up in New York, so you know, I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in white community, so I didn't grow up speaking the

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<v Speaker 1>language or anything. Yeah, and I've had a very maybe

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<v Speaker 1>tenuous grasp of my culture. So playing an immigrant from

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<v Speaker 1>Korea terrified me. And so I had to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like my uncle actually worked at a market in Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 1>I worked there for a little while, and my brother

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<v Speaker 1>in law helped me with the dialect because I'd never

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<v Speaker 1>done a Korean dialect before and so I was learning

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<v Speaker 1>the dialect. So anyway, it was a kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>big learning curve for me, just playing an immigrant from Korea.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was terrifying.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh my goshy in my head, I'm just thinking, it's

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<v Speaker 8>so far. You've mentioned the Cohen Brothers and Spike Lee

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<v Speaker 8>as the directors you've been working with so far, and

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<v Speaker 8>it's just like the list is just building where it's like,

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<v Speaker 8>oh man, it's some of the most brilliant people that

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<v Speaker 8>have ever been in film everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know would happened, it's just yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>And so what are your parents thinking at this time?

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<v Speaker 7>Are your parents supportive of you once you start booking jobs.

0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.159
<v Speaker 7>How do your parents feel about this transition you've made.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think they were excited, but it wasn't you know.

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I think they were excited by the attention I was

0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:22.199
<v Speaker 1>getting and people were like, wow, he's very successful. But

0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I think, especially for my dad, it was more there

0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.359
<v Speaker 1>was no solidity, There is no constancy, So my parents

0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:35.240
<v Speaker 1>also have been with me through long periods of unemployment,

0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, struggling with money, so you know, over the

0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.399
<v Speaker 1>long arc of my career, they've seen how difficult it's stand.

0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:45.520
<v Speaker 1>But I think they appreciate the fact that I've had

0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:48.359
<v Speaker 1>the success that I've had. But I mean, to be honest,

0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 1>they don't really understand. Yeah, maybe what I do, or

0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:58.639
<v Speaker 1>they don't understand the work so much. I don't know,

0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:03.480
<v Speaker 1>like like I don't know if fifteen Fargo, you know,

0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.159
<v Speaker 1>it's like, and I meet a lot of actors like that.

0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:08.400
<v Speaker 1>His parents like to have no clue like what they

0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.479
<v Speaker 1>do or it seem so alien to them. And that's

0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of been my experience. I mean, so they've been supportive,

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.240
<v Speaker 1>but it's always been like they have no idea what

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:17.520
<v Speaker 1>I do right?

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.399
<v Speaker 7>Right, They're like, we don't get it, but we're happy

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:26.400
<v Speaker 7>You're happy exactly, Okay, so you do do the right thing.

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.400
<v Speaker 7>How does and your living in Los Angeles? How does

0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:31.400
<v Speaker 7>in Living Color come about?

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:32.240
<v Speaker 6>Same?

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<v Speaker 1>That was a little bit more shocking because it's like

0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:38.199
<v Speaker 1>a regular audition that started in the casting office and

0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:42.800
<v Speaker 1>by that point I had I don't know, fifteen minutes set.

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really I was still beginning as a comedian,

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I wasn't really like comedy. It took

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:53.159
<v Speaker 1>me a while to realize that stand up comedy was

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:57.440
<v Speaker 1>not my thing. But I kind of had enough to

0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.760
<v Speaker 1>do an audition, and then when I got called back,

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.320
<v Speaker 1>it was like, oh, the callback is at the lab

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>factory and it was in front of an audience that

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:13.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that these were auditions, So that was terrifying.

0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 1>And there was like I want to say, like fifteen

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.480
<v Speaker 1>or twenty of us. I mean I remember Mark chose

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:22.639
<v Speaker 1>one of us. One of them were one of the

0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:24.280
<v Speaker 1>people auditioning.

0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:25.679
<v Speaker 2>And do you remember what your material was like? Do

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:26.360
<v Speaker 2>you remember what you're?

0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I did like I was doing like spoof on

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Asian stereotypes. I then did this bit where I was

0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I had a boombox, I had them doing it over

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the PA system where I was doing that bad coung

0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:46.439
<v Speaker 1>through the lip sinking right. And then yeah, in my memory,

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:52.639
<v Speaker 1>act was very it's very it's dissipated, but I just

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 1>remember it ended with I created this this duo between

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Bruce Lee and Ambo, and I had Bruce Lee saying

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.720
<v Speaker 1>that line from uh from Entered the Dragon. You have

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>offended my family. You have offended my my what is

0:25:12.040 --> 0:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>it my school? You have offended my family. And then

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the rambo has his rifle and then I had about

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>five minutes of machine gun fire to the yes and

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 1>then and then Bruce Lee says the line again, you

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>have offended my school, you have offended. So that was

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:37.679
<v Speaker 1>the end of that particular. It was so silly. And

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>then when they called this back again for another callback

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 1>again at the laugh factory, it was like down to

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I think five of us or something. Then I had

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.639
<v Speaker 1>to like scrounge for material, and I was doing the

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.720
<v Speaker 1>jokes that I was doing, like in elementary and like

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I was just coming up with the dumbest jokes. And

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 1>I remember one of them was, all right, I'm going

0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 1>to do an impression of two worms having sex. This

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 1>is my impression of two worms having sex. I did

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 1>that joke at the last factory and gotten on a

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:20.840
<v Speaker 1>living color. I did the dumbest joke.

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:24.119
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's so good, the world's so great.

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:28.479
<v Speaker 2>It's great. And so at this point, are you thinking

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 2>of yourself as an actor who does stand up or

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:35.360
<v Speaker 2>a comedian who acts sometimes or is it just all

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the same.

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I was still figuring it out. And I had such

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.199
<v Speaker 1>a huge opportunity when I was a living color to

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>go on the road as a comedian. But I didn't

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 1>have an act. I had just what I did at

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the audition, and truth be told, I was just you know,

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:52.879
<v Speaker 1>it took me a while to just realize that I

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't have the DNA just like I didn't I couldn't

0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 1>live that life. Yeah, I couldn't.

0:26:58.560 --> 0:26:59.160
<v Speaker 8>I couldn't either.

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:02.919
<v Speaker 1>It's just like I look at like people that I know,

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>like Bobby Lee or even you know, Margacheoe, like it's

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.400
<v Speaker 1>like they're born to do it, you know, they're they're something.

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, a lot of stand ups they

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:16.400
<v Speaker 1>come from some difficult background or some kind of challenging

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 1>childhood or drug abuse or whatever. So somehow that fuels

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:26.400
<v Speaker 1>that career somehow. And also when I was starting too,

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>there weren't a lot of Asian comedians, so also I

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 1>was extremely like hyper sensitive, so I was constantly on

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 1>the receiving end and a lot of racist jokes and

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I would sit in the audience and so it was

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, my girlfriend at the time was like saying,

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't be doing this just because I would get

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 1>so depressed. I would be so and angry that I

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 1>was forcing myself to go into this environment and try

0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:53.879
<v Speaker 1>to be funny, and it was just I was just

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>not emotionally equipped to deal with things at that time.

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 1>As a stand up comedian, I couldn't. It wasn't ending.

0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 8>You're right, it's not a job or even a career.

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 8>It's a lifestyle. It's a whole lifestyle being a comedian.

0:28:07.640 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 8>And you're right talking to people that do it, it's

0:28:11.560 --> 0:28:14.360
<v Speaker 8>they have this thing. It's like, this is okay, you're

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.040
<v Speaker 8>a comedian, your stand up this is what you do.

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.719
<v Speaker 4>This is your lifestyle you want to be They can't

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 4>get right.

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 2>You have to exactly not be able to not do it.

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:23.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, because.

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Otherwise why would you put yourself through that. Like as

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 2>an entertainer, I can kind of see like, oh yeah,

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I could do like fifteen minutes, right, But then the

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 2>idea of like having to beat that the next night

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 2>and beat that the next night, and I'm like, no,

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't traveling and.

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 4>Not sleeping and do anything. I'm sorry.

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 8>I'm still trying to recover from you having to go

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 8>to the laugh factory and your audition is in front

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 8>of a crowd.

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Of they don't.

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Know that you're auditioning. You're also now, did you watch

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 4>in Living Color.

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 8>At the time you auditioned for the show, so you

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 8>already knew what you were getting into then, Yeah.

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean I remember they did this, They did a

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 1>spoof fun do the Right Thing. I remember, which I

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>was like, Oh my god, that's crazy. And I never

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I never imagined that would be on the show. I

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>mean when when the audition came up, and I knew

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>they were looking for like Asian American and they were

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 1>looking for Latino actors, comedians, and so it was just

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity. That was an amazing opportunity that just popped

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere.

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 8>Well it was, I mean at the time, it was

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:23.479
<v Speaker 8>the hip is show on television. I mean, Saturday Night

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 8>Live had nothing on in Living Color. It was this

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 8>was like groundbreaking because I think Keen Ivory Wins had

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 8>come off of I'm Going to Get You Sucko, which

0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 8>was like amazing, right, and then.

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 4>It was like, oh, he's doing a television show.

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 8>And then you'd sit there and watch it and I go,

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:39.719
<v Speaker 8>oh my god, what's happening in front of me? I mean,

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 8>it really was completely groundbreaking for TV. Was this set

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 8>a fun place to be? Was it was it conducive

0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 8>to comedy and you know, just trying to get the

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 8>funniest bits you can do?

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 4>Or was it a little cutthroat?

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>It was kind of a lot of things. I had

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of a challenging experience just because I mean it

0:29:59.800 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>was fun. I mean the amount of like just table

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>reads where the ways would be falling out of their

0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>chairs or you know, it was like the funniest people

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>in the world altogether in the same room kind of vibe.

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>You know. So it was like so so intimidating, and

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, also being thrown in it's like being thrown

0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 1>into a situation where everybody's already a family, so you're

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>then you're you're the adoptee. Yeah, so that was also

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>very challenging. And and then also how I was not

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 1>on the show anymore also was really challenging because it

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 1>was not fully explained to me, and I had different explanations,

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:49.760
<v Speaker 1>so it was like ninety yeah, so when I was

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 1>not asked back. That was the year of the riots

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>in LA and there was a lot of you know,

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>animosity between the black the black community in the Korean

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 1>American community, and so I was feeling at the time like, well,

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>maybe that had something to do with it. I didn't know,

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 1>but maybe almost like six almost seven years later, I

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 1>was casting to play with my current wife, Kelly Colfield,

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>who was in the Living Color.

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 5>Yes, I was just going to ask about that. You

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:19.600
<v Speaker 5>met on that set, right, We.

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Met on the set, but it was just, you know,

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 1>we were both in relationships at the time, you know,

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and also I was too stressed to do so that

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>was not that was not on my mind at the time.

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 1>But then what excuse when this play happened? That was

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't seen her since the show, and it was

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>reconnecting and then trying to unpack, like, so, what what happened?

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>You know? And then she said when they came back

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the next season, she everybody was like, what, we're Steve,

0:31:57.640 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>what happened? And then he said that because this was

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>when Living Color was about, Keenan was fighting with Fox

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the network, and it was like the beginning of the end,

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>and I think he was getting a little set up,

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>and he said that he was having a negotiating issue

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>with my manager and she was pushing too hard. And

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>then so he just said screw it, and then he

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>just let me go. And then I was told by

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>one of the producers that they were looking for a

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 1>comedian who had more of a stable of characters. And

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>then when I read the release from Fox that I

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 1>read in the paper, it was because I was pursuing

0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>other opportunities. You know, so has their own kind of thing,

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 1>and so it took me. It took it probably until

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I met Kelly. It took I didn't. There was always

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit of a wound there, like I said,

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>not knowing. Oh God, the life of an actor.

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 2>From project to project, you just hope.

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 8>So yeah, well I'm a huge I was telling them

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:04.880
<v Speaker 8>before we got on. I'm a huge fan of your

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 8>wife as well, not just your lines from Fargo, but

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 8>I could do her lines from her Seinfeld episode.

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 4>It's the way my brain works. So she is hysterical.

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 4>Please tell her I love her, that's all I will.

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 7>You guys have two children who are both in their twenties, right,

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 7>do you they any idea how cool their parents are.

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Well, you know it's funny because you know,

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I think Kelly and I, you know, we we kind

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>of remark on that sometimes, like we have, they've come

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and they bring their friends over, and we kind of

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 1>wonder what they think of us because we're so not

0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>like the normal parents. I guess that other but but

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>in other words, we are you know, we're just normal people.

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:52.080
<v Speaker 1>We don't do anything crazy. You know, we make food

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and we invite people in and you know, please take

0:33:55.360 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 1>your shoes off, and you know whatever. But yeah, that

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>I I don't know. You'd have to ask my kids

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>what their experience is. I you know, I know that

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 1>they hear things and and I think sometimes maybe they

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 1>try to hide it. I don't know what they do.

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:18.839
<v Speaker 2>But but neither of them, no one's No one's gone

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:20.640
<v Speaker 2>into entertainment. That's not well.

0:34:20.719 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 1>Actually, my daughter, my daughter is, she just she went

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>to film school. She just graduated from Pratt Institute as

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>a filmmaker and is pursuing acting. So yeah, so my

0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 1>son is he's a writer. He's finishing grad school at

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:41.759
<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn College in the Creative Writing program, and he works

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 1>at the Paris Review. And uh, he's writing his first novel.

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:50.839
<v Speaker 1>So she'll probably be hearing about that at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so cool.

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 7>So you had already watched Spike Lee, Change Movies Forever,

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 7>the Wayans Brothers just rubbed the television in industry as

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 7>a whole. And then you appear on Boy Meets World.

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 4>The Pinnacle.

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about high.

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Serious.

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<v Speaker 7>What do you remember about this blip on your resume?

0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 1>Do you? Did?

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 5>You have to audition for it?

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>For it? And I remember thinking because they thought it

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 1>was really funny that I was yelling, which seems like, well,

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 1>of course I'm yelling. I'm inside of the hell, you know,

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:43.879
<v Speaker 1>a plane. And I got the impression like, well, maybe

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the other people who audition didn't yell.

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, this was must have been your idea, because then

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 7>it becomes the.

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Funny whole, the whole show. But I wonder if they

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 2>hadn't thought about that when they.

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 5>Wrote there's no way, so you just did it?

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I was just yelling and then and

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>then they laughed and it was like, isn't everybody doing

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:05.399
<v Speaker 1>this after?

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.320
<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh, that's so funny, that's so great.

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 1>But I have no idea. I just made that up

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:13.359
<v Speaker 1>in my mind. I have no idea that that was

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 1>no Actually that my memory. That's what stayed with me.

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.040
<v Speaker 4>Oh man, that's why I'm guessing that.

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 8>We didn't start yelling until you started yelling and we went, Okay,

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 8>that's it has to be this.

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 4>It has to be this for.

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 8>The scene, and probably the three of us started yelling

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 8>back at you and that was it because it was

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 8>such a good scene and so funny. One of the

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.839
<v Speaker 8>things we talk about is that, you know, we're going

0:36:37.840 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 8>back watching the entire series again, which Rider had never

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 8>seen the show, and Daniel and I haven't seen it

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 8>since it was on, and so we're kind of rediscovering.

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:48.319
<v Speaker 4>These episodes as we go.

0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 8>And your episode is in contention for the best episode.

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 7>Of the entire the number one best episode up till

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 7>this point. We're six seasons in and Raging is high,

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 7>like truly in contention for our favorite episode of the show.

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, based on your just our stupid opinions, all three

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:07.239
<v Speaker 8>of us.

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you could take it or leave it.

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 4>But it's not official or anything. It's just we love it.

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask what sticks out which stands out about

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 1>that episode for you?

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 7>Well, there's there's a few things. We love both the

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:24.359
<v Speaker 7>A and B storyline. It's a really well balanced episode.

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 7>We like that that there's a moment between it's a

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 7>it's about a you know, about parenting and about a

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.400
<v Speaker 7>father relationship, and there's moments for all three of his kids.

0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 7>There's storylines for how he raises Corey. It also is

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 7>something Will had joked about when we first started rewatching

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 7>the show, was that, like, they don't know they have

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 7>another son. The entire show, it's about the little sister

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 7>and Corey. They never acknowledge Eric, they never acknowledge it.

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 7>And then this whole episode kind of about what his

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 7>relationship is like with his dad.

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 2>And I'm also realizing that, as ridiculous as this sounds,

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I think the yelling choice might be one of the

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 2>major reasons that the episode works because if I think

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 2>about that dialogue without the yelling, like, take that scene

0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and take the fact that they're screaming, you know that

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 2>you guys are screaming at each other away right right,

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Suddenly it becomes pretty sappy boy meets World. It's a

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 2>little setting. It becomes why don't we have the relationship

0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 2>that you and Corey have, you know? If Eric? And

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.839
<v Speaker 2>and that turn where it goes from a story about

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Corey trying to prove himself to his dad or to

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, and then to Eric suddenly becomes very sentimental

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:31.359
<v Speaker 2>and a little like saccherin right in like the way

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 2>that Boy Meets World as a sitcom could do. But

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you guys are all screaming and about

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:39.439
<v Speaker 2>to jump out of the plane makes it removes any

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>of that sentimentality, and so it gets the story upoint across,

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 2>but it makes it more just fun and funny and

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 2>like that. It's I think that that's one of the

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 2>reasons why the episode is so good is that it

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 2>never gets weighted down by you know what, what other

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.920
<v Speaker 2>episodes would we would we would get very sappy, you know, and.

0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 1>It just isn't. It's so wow, that's so interesting, yelling worked.

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 5>It's always good, no matter.

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 8>It's also one of the things that we love that

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.799
<v Speaker 8>we talk about all the time is a great impactful

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.879
<v Speaker 8>guest star and you were it's just somebody who comes

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:16.399
<v Speaker 8>to you, doesn't have a whole ton to do, but

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 8>crushes it.

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, drive by you just you drive by, you

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 7>pop in for a moment, absolutely kill it and keep going.

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 5>We just love it.

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.479
<v Speaker 2>Important sitcoms, you know, it's like such a key thing

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:29.439
<v Speaker 2>to have a great guests Thank you so much.

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Are you having every single person on the show.

0:39:34.440 --> 0:39:34.840
<v Speaker 5>Everyone.

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 7>Yes, there are a few people who have said no,

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:44.359
<v Speaker 7>but we've asked pretty much everyone up untip to this point.

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 1>We have. Yeah, but you've saw you've rewatched this episode

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:49.719
<v Speaker 1>a long time ago, probably right.

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 7>Well, we've been doing the podcast now for about two

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 7>and a half years.

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.920
<v Speaker 5>That was a season five so yeah, no six months ago?

0:39:57.760 --> 0:39:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so recent?

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 5>All right, within the last six months.

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Are you guys done now or are you still watching now?

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:04.919
<v Speaker 4>We just starting season six.

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 8>We have all of season six and all of season

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:07.919
<v Speaker 8>seven left today.

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 4>We're milking it.

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 5>Stevening, you take make it take as long as possible.

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 7>So do you did you know of Boy Meets World

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 7>before you got the audition?

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:20.759
<v Speaker 5>Had you ever heard of the show?

0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Or was this the first time the show?

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Okay, I think it was a little I was

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 1>a little long in the tooth I think at that point.

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, you weren't our demographic.

0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:33.839
<v Speaker 5>No, do you remember hanging with us all week?

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 7>Do you have any other memories other than Will being

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 7>annoying and talking to you.

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>About really that was the main memory.

0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:41.800
<v Speaker 4>Plucking you on the shoulder.

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Hey, I have another burg question.

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I just remember I do remember I feel like I

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 1>disappointed you because I think you were talking about was

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 1>it ren and Stimpy or something? It was a show

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 1>that you were fascinated by at the US and butt Head,

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 1>which I wasn't really watching, and you were asking me

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 1>about it, and I had nothing to say, and I

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>felt like, oh, man, what a dunt I am?

0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, I will probably did make you feel bad about that.

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh you were in Farga, but you don't know.

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was something.

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 5>Like maybe it was South Park.

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:20.360
<v Speaker 4>It might have been South Park.

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:22.839
<v Speaker 1>Actually been South Park, might have been South Park.

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:24.359
<v Speaker 4>I think it was South Park at the time.

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it.

0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:31.399
<v Speaker 8>No, you know what I remember remember the most about

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 8>about our conversations. By conversations, I mean me peppering you

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 8>with questions and you very politely and calmly answering them.

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:42.360
<v Speaker 8>I remember you saying that you were shocked that people

0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 8>thought your character was funny in Fargo.

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what happened. I remember I've told this

0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 1>story before, but after they first started screening it, I

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:55.960
<v Speaker 1>got a call from Ethan Cohen and he told me

0:41:56.000 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 1>how funny I was. And that was the first time

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:03.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm like what and and it didn't occur to me

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:07.799
<v Speaker 1>because I was still so in the character's pov, right,

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:12.839
<v Speaker 1>and I know doing that part. I remember the day

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 1>I was I had somehow like put myself into some

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 1>more emotional torture. I was really really like, you know,

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 1>because internally it was like I was screaming in pain

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:31.759
<v Speaker 1>and then covering it and then doing the scene. Like

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of how I approached the scene. Yeah, and

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 1>then I was I was bringing up my mother, I

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.880
<v Speaker 1>like bringing up both So I was a mess really inside,

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 1>and I was really so that was my goal was

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>just to be like barely holding it together and then

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:54.400
<v Speaker 1>to do the scene. And I know it was weird,

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, you know, and so all that stuff.

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:01.359
<v Speaker 1>I knew it was weird, but to hear about how

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:04.359
<v Speaker 1>everybody was laughing, it took me a while to wrap

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 1>my head around and then realized, oh yeah, like and

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:11.239
<v Speaker 1>then I understood it. But it was because, yeah, I

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 1>just was too too still too in the character's mindset

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:22.480
<v Speaker 1>to to see the audience point of view at that point. Yeah.

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 5>So you mentioned that the Cohen Brothers didn't tell you much.

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 7>What did you know about your character, Mike Yanagita before

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 7>you went into the movie.

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 5>What did you what were you prepped with.

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of the characters were based on

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:38.399
<v Speaker 1>people they knew growing up growing up there, and there

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 1>was I think his name was Glenn Yanagita, the actual

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.840
<v Speaker 1>person maybe that they grew up with in high school,

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:47.879
<v Speaker 1>not that this character is based on him at all.

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 1>And that's about it. I mean, because when I did

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 1>the audition, you know they of course, you know, they

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:03.719
<v Speaker 1>hired me, and I remember the main thing when I

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 1>got the job, he was on the set. The main

0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of surprise was working with Elizabeth Himmelstein, who was

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:15.319
<v Speaker 1>the dialect coach, and how hard she was pushing the

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 1>dialect like no, you want more? Oh yeah, and it

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 1>sounded so kind of phony. It sounded like weird. So

0:44:23.280 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 1>just going into that and feeling comfortable bending those ours

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and oh and doing the dialect to that extent it

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 1>felt unnatural until it didn't anymore. But as far as

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 1>the scene, I think maybe I was just giving them.

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I felt like it took me a lot. It was

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:50.359
<v Speaker 1>a long road personally to arrive at the character, because

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>when when I first saw the audition, I passed on

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 1>it because it was described to overweight forty and like,

0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 1>why do they want to see me, like, you know,

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:02.760
<v Speaker 1>and then it came back and I was like okay,

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 1>and then I flew. I was in LA at the time,

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:08.360
<v Speaker 1>so I flew to New York and yeah, so I

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:13.000
<v Speaker 1>just kind of like, as I started, I'm learning more

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 1>about this character and kind of investigating it, it was like,

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not this character. I'm not this character. Oh my god,

0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I am this character.

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know if it's ever happened to

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.320
<v Speaker 1>you as an actor where the role feels like you

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:28.320
<v Speaker 1>don't feel connected to it. And if I think a

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of it is because it's like, well, this guy's

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, you have a judgment about the character. So

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:38.600
<v Speaker 1>once the judgment, I think the judgment somehow dropped and

0:45:38.640 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 1>I realized, oh, I am this guy, like because I

0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:46.880
<v Speaker 1>understood that loneliness, I understood the pain, I understood emotionally

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:51.879
<v Speaker 1>this guy, and I know people like this. So I

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:58.240
<v Speaker 1>once that happened, I feel like I knew the character.

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 1>And I think the Coen Brothers may be felt like

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.479
<v Speaker 1>they didn't really need to say much because I felt

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 1>like I knew I knew this person.

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 5>Did you do a lot of takes or was.

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 1>It from different? It was really more just different setups.

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 1>But I did you know when they were on me

0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:21.280
<v Speaker 1>there there was one. I was kind of like finding

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.800
<v Speaker 1>things with each take. It wasn't like a lot of takes,

0:46:24.600 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 1>but you know the one where I was like, oh,

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, relation I should have you know, like that

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:35.960
<v Speaker 1>wasn't kind of imp like that was a spontaneous moment,

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and but it was. I won't say it was a lot,

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 1>it was. I mean, we did. I remember they started

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 1>on fran they started on March Gunderson, so but I

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 1>was fully in it when they were on her first,

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 1>and then at one point, uh, Francis, you know you

0:46:56.840 --> 0:46:59.360
<v Speaker 1>better turn around on him now, just because I was

0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.279
<v Speaker 1>so in it. And so then they were on me,

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and it was enough takes to find the little moments

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:14.359
<v Speaker 1>like that moment and to uh to to just get

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 1>into the little nuances. But it wasn't like like Wes

0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Anderson right to and they're like one more for the pleasure,

0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:26.839
<v Speaker 1>and then there's ten more.

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 7>In your intro, we mentioned a ton of the classic

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 7>films that you have appeared in, but also we're not

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 7>sure anyone can be this list of directors you have

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 7>worked with, Ivan Riadman, Barry Levinson, the Cohen Brothers, Barbart Schroeder,

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:48.279
<v Speaker 7>Joel Schumacher, Wes Anderson, Bill Murray, Miranda, July Bong, June Hoe.

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 7>I mean, you've worked with a lot of these people

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:55.520
<v Speaker 7>more than once, So in your opinion, is there something

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 7>that all of these incredible directors have in common?

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 1>You know what? I think it is Fargo. I think

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Fargo was my like entree into all of these directors' work.

0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that they they they love. I mean when

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I first met director Bomb and I was we were

0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 1>in Prague, we were at Baranda Studios and he was

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:26.720
<v Speaker 1>introducing me to John Hurt and I said, well, remember

0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:29.320
<v Speaker 1>he was, and then he referred to me as Fargo.

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Remember Fargo. So that's kind of was like, oh, okay,

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:36.000
<v Speaker 1>you know so that was my That was how these

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 1>directors I think found me and wanted to work with me.

0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:42.880
<v Speaker 8>Well, not to put you on the spot, but is

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:46.320
<v Speaker 8>there one that you prefer working with over another? Is

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 8>there a director where every time the name comes up,

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:49.359
<v Speaker 8>you're like, oh, I can't wait to work with this

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:49.920
<v Speaker 8>person again.

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Well I have to, you know, I love working with

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, Director Bomb is like I'm good, Hopefully I'm

0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:58.959
<v Speaker 1>going to see him next week because Mickey seventeen, which

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I worked on, ye, I'm going to get to see

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:03.680
<v Speaker 1>it next week, and so I hopefully we'll get to

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>see him. But he is such a sweet, down to

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.320
<v Speaker 1>earth guy. I had the like complete honor of hanging

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 1>out with him after the big Oscar night and we

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 1>all went to Korea Town and we're at a restaurant

0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and the cast and the producers and wow, that was

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 1>an amazing evening. And so he's just a sweetheart, and

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I love working with him whenever. I you know, twice now,

0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:36.919
<v Speaker 1>so that's been really great. But I have to say,

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 1>like working with Wes Anderson is another level because he

0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 1>is like an independent filmmaker. So when I worked like

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>on Mickey seventeen, I was Warner Brothers, so I was

0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 1>dealing with Warner Brothers and I was kind of living

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:55.319
<v Speaker 1>in Camden and everybody was kind of spread out, so

0:49:55.400 --> 0:49:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really have a connection with the other cast

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:00.959
<v Speaker 1>members so much unless I like, I had a party

0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 1>once and I buy a bunch of people over. But

0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:06.400
<v Speaker 1>it was a little bit alienating, and which which helped

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:11.239
<v Speaker 1>for this movie, you know, because the alienation was helped

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:12.759
<v Speaker 1>because there was a lot of that in terms of

0:50:12.760 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the story. But the way West works is he'll he'll

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 1>be in some country and privatize a hotel and like

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:24.640
<v Speaker 1>the whole cast is living there, and the crew is living.

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:27.239
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the crew we're all living. You know,

0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 1>it's not in the same hotel, in the next door hotel.

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:34.560
<v Speaker 1>And the studio usually is a golf cart away because

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:36.959
<v Speaker 1>West likes to like drive the golf cart to set.

0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:40.440
<v Speaker 1>And so every night, like they'll wrap around seven o'clock

0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 1>and then everybody meets for dinner. West at the head

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>of the table and you go down and it's just

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:50.480
<v Speaker 1>like you all of these movies like that, and then

0:50:50.560 --> 0:50:55.560
<v Speaker 1>listening to West just I mean, he talks about film

0:50:55.880 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 1>and you just it's like going to film school. And

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.240
<v Speaker 1>one of the things he does too that's so great

0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:05.720
<v Speaker 1>is he has a table of maybe about twenty Blu

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Ray DVDs of all of these classic movies that had

0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:13.880
<v Speaker 1>some influence on the movie we're working on. And so

0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, you have a Blu Ray machine in your room,

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 1>so you pick one, you sign it out, and then

0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:22.480
<v Speaker 1>when you're not working, you're just watching these great movies.

0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:24.920
<v Speaker 1>And then you're going downstairs and you're meeting movies stars

0:51:24.960 --> 0:51:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and you're talking to West about this movie or that

0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:30.240
<v Speaker 1>or what was the influence on this scene. So it's

0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 1>like that's just an amazing Oh man.

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 2>You feel like you're part of a company.

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:35.080
<v Speaker 1>You feel like you're all.

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Entering the same artistic mindset and collaborating together.

0:51:39.880 --> 0:51:42.480
<v Speaker 1>That is Yeah, it's so great. And you know, like

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:46.120
<v Speaker 1>when we were in Potsdam, Germany for this latest film,

0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the Phoenician Scheme, which opens May thirtieth, I want to say,

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 1>or thirty first titles. He has the Phoenician Scheme. It's

0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:58.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna be amazing. And but talk about star studied, you

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:06.600
<v Speaker 1>know cast Benizio del Toro and Michael Sarah Miothorappleton, Like

0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:09.319
<v Speaker 1>that's the other thing. Like they also like both because

0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 1>when they did the French Dispatch that was in angole M, France,

0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:16.359
<v Speaker 1>and they had these electric bikes that you borrow, so

0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you know we would go on these like you know,

0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:21.839
<v Speaker 1>bike trips together. So I mean it was my wife

0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:25.160
<v Speaker 1>had come and so it's like Hope, Pope Davis and

0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Michael Sarah and we're just riding around Potsdam, you know,

0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 1>going to a beer. You know, it's so much fun.

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:35.839
<v Speaker 1>It's like camp and everybody is so cool, and it's

0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:39.600
<v Speaker 1>like there's no there's no hierarchies. It's just everybody is

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 1>the same and it's just beautiful. And Wes is so

0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:49.719
<v Speaker 1>meticulous about everything. Like when we went to can for

0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:53.520
<v Speaker 1>the French dispatch, I remember they were setting up the

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 1>dining room for after the screening and Wes is in

0:52:57.800 --> 0:52:59.840
<v Speaker 1>there with one of the employees that he's putting in

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:03.960
<v Speaker 1>games and all the tables he's decided in court everybody's sitting.

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.879
<v Speaker 1>He knows everything. He knows where everybody like, what room

0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:10.239
<v Speaker 1>everybody's in, Like his mind is incredible, and what he

0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:14.200
<v Speaker 1>what he remembers and and what he's paying attention to.

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:18.000
<v Speaker 1>So you know, he talks about how you like, when

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 1>he goes sleep, he's he's constantly centering things, you know,

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 1>because he's doing that all the time in the frame.

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:28.600
<v Speaker 1>He's like his brain and everything. Yeah, so his dreams

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:29.600
<v Speaker 1>are like a Wes Anderson.

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:35.279
<v Speaker 7>But that's so cool to hear what we were You

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 7>just mentioned Mickey seventeen. What are you allowed to tell

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:40.880
<v Speaker 7>us about that project?

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's out now kind of, I mean, it's it's

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the I guess it's going to be released on March seven,

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:53.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's based on Mickey seven. He uh, you know

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Bunching Hoes expanded obviously, and uh yeah, that also was

0:53:59.080 --> 0:54:01.480
<v Speaker 1>just a lot of fun in his imagination. It's just

0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:06.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just incredible and he's so it's so fluid, Like

0:54:07.000 --> 0:54:10.200
<v Speaker 1>as a director, he'd like, I mean, this is something

0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:13.840
<v Speaker 1>that director Bong and West have in common is their

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>storyboarding is like the movie has already been made and

0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the filmmaking is really the constructing of it. But if

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:25.440
<v Speaker 1>you look at his storyboards, it's like every little frame

0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:29.399
<v Speaker 1>you know exactly what's going to happen. So with director Bob,

0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:33.799
<v Speaker 1>sometimes he's storyboarding the night before, but you have a

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:38.120
<v Speaker 1>sense like he he's shooting to exactly what he wants

0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:42.560
<v Speaker 1>on the storyboards, so there's no master shot. So if

0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>there's a shot with me crossing the screen and like

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:49.600
<v Speaker 1>like there's one scene where I'm crossing and I have

0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:52.799
<v Speaker 1>this injury on my arm, and the storyboard is me

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.400
<v Speaker 1>going so that's exactly what I'm doing, just going across

0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the screen and like I'm in pain, and then cut.

0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:03.880
<v Speaker 1>So he's shooting exactly what's on the storyboard. He's not

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:08.360
<v Speaker 1>he's not having a scene play out and all, you

0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:11.080
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, Like he's shooting exactly what's on

0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 1>the storyboard. And West goes like even one step further

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:18.439
<v Speaker 1>where he does an animatic, which is basically a movie

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:24.359
<v Speaker 1>storyboard or a cartoon, So every shot has already been

0:55:24.600 --> 0:55:29.600
<v Speaker 1>planned and visualized, and then he voices all the characters

0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:34.719
<v Speaker 1>and so before you when you arrive on set, you

0:55:34.800 --> 0:55:37.719
<v Speaker 1>get to watch the animats. It's like you're basically watch

0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the movie with his voice. And then he pretty much

0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 1>sticks to the exactly so in a way like when

0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 1>you look at a Wes Anderson movie and you look

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:49.319
<v Speaker 1>how the characters move, they kind of you know, and

0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:51.120
<v Speaker 1>then they kind of move aside. You know, there's a

0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:54.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of stick figure kind of quality maybe to movies,

0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's kind of looks like the the the animation.

0:56:00.920 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 6>Wow.

0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:04.239
<v Speaker 1>But he likes that. That's his aesthetic, you know, and

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it really it really works, and there's something very funny

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:11.880
<v Speaker 1>about it, and there's something very kind of almost cartoonish,

0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 1>but it's very it's very West. It's very affecting.

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 7>Who is left for you on your dream list of

0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:20.880
<v Speaker 7>directors or co stars?

0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:22.719
<v Speaker 5>Who have you worked you.

0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, my god, I mean, I

0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:38.040
<v Speaker 1>mean I would love to work with Park chanuk. I

0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:41.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't you know. It's funny because I don't I

0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:44.399
<v Speaker 1>haven't even asked myself that question, because it's like every

0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:49.520
<v Speaker 1>everybody I've worked with has been such a surprise. I

0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:51.440
<v Speaker 1>never thought I'd be working with any of these people.

0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:58.320
<v Speaker 1>So hmmm, I don't know, because I've already been blessed

0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 1>with working with so many ami using people, so I

0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:05.719
<v Speaker 1>don't even know.

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 7>I could just been a surprise. You're no, it's okay,

0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:10.400
<v Speaker 7>it's been already. I love that for you. You're like,

0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:14.000
<v Speaker 7>why would I the career you never could have exactly,

0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:16.479
<v Speaker 7>so you never could have imagined it, and it turned

0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:19.040
<v Speaker 7>out better than you could have imagined, so why bother

0:57:19.160 --> 0:57:19.720
<v Speaker 7>to think ahead?

0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Total.

0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:34.920
<v Speaker 7>So one more thing I did want to talk to

0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:37.240
<v Speaker 7>you about was back in nineteen ninety nine, after a

0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:40.800
<v Speaker 7>disappointing experience on the set of a very massive sitcom,

0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:44.640
<v Speaker 7>you wrote, way ahead of its time, an incredibly brave

0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 7>mission statement to Hollywood about status, power and racism in Hollywood,

0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 7>about the difficulties you faced finding work as an Asian actor,

0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:55.920
<v Speaker 7>and especially work that you felt like you could be

0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:59.000
<v Speaker 7>proud of. So I really recommend everybody read it. It

0:57:59.040 --> 0:58:01.800
<v Speaker 7>is still on the internet and you'll realize, you know,

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:04.760
<v Speaker 7>Steve was saying these things twenty six years ago and

0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:08.600
<v Speaker 7>they are still relevant. Can you tell us what the

0:58:08.600 --> 0:58:11.080
<v Speaker 7>effects of that letter were at the time.

0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, let me just say that the show is friends,

0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay it was at the time. For me, I thought

0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:27.200
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of a toxic environment, yep, and this

0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:32.760
<v Speaker 1>racist kind the ad calling James Hong was was the

0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:35.000
<v Speaker 1>actor who was also on the episode with me, and

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:38.920
<v Speaker 1>he was calling him to the set and you know,

0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:41.720
<v Speaker 1>essentially saying, you know, you know, where is the oriental guy?

0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Get the oriental guy. So when I called Screen Actors

0:58:49.240 --> 0:58:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Guild after that, it happened, and the person I spoke

0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:56.600
<v Speaker 1>with recommended I write an article to the La Times.

0:58:57.440 --> 0:58:59.720
<v Speaker 1>And I thought, oh, okay, that'd be a good idea.

0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 1>And I had just seen Jerry Maguire. I don't know

0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:05.920
<v Speaker 1>if you remember that movie, but he writes a mission statement.

0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:11.640
<v Speaker 1>My wife Kelly's in that movie, by way, And for

0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:14.040
<v Speaker 1>some reason that just kind of like struck me, like

0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of a yeah, why didn't I write a

0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:19.880
<v Speaker 1>mission statement? To Hollywood because this is bigger than this show.

0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:23.040
<v Speaker 1>This isn't the first time that this happened, you know,

0:59:23.120 --> 0:59:25.880
<v Speaker 1>but this is the environment where this is business as

0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:28.760
<v Speaker 1>usual in Hollywood in nineteen ninety seven, I guess it was,

0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and nobody felt the need to correct this or say

0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:39.520
<v Speaker 1>anything about it. So this is this is normal behavior.

0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:46.440
<v Speaker 1>And so I started writing this mission statement and I

0:59:46.480 --> 0:59:49.760
<v Speaker 1>sent it to the La Times. They sent a couple

0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:52.560
<v Speaker 1>of reporters and they interviewed me, and then they never

0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:55.560
<v Speaker 1>printed it. And so this was like the beginning of

0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:59.320
<v Speaker 1>the Internet. And I had my email list, and I

0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.200
<v Speaker 1>sent my mission statement out to who was on my

1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:04.480
<v Speaker 1>email list, and I said, you know, if this move you,

1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:07.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, please pard it along. But I just explained

1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I I was interviewed in there. They're not going to

1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:12.880
<v Speaker 1>print this, so if you feel moved to send this

1:00:13.280 --> 1:00:16.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot, please do. And then within a week I

1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:19.680
<v Speaker 1>was like I was getting responses from all across the

1:00:19.720 --> 1:00:23.560
<v Speaker 1>country from publication estept. We're asking permission to reprint it.

1:00:24.280 --> 1:00:28.320
<v Speaker 1>And so this it was like this it went viral,

1:00:28.440 --> 1:00:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, before viral was even a word. And I

1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:35.720
<v Speaker 1>went to San Francisco at some point that year to

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<v Speaker 1>do a play, and I was like interviewed up there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the cover of the Guardian, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped the American flag. I was interviewed in the Examiner,

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<v Speaker 1>and it all kind of culminated. I mean, I also

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<v Speaker 1>spent about a year of being invited to different colleges

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<v Speaker 1>to speak about this, and and then I was given

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<v Speaker 1>this award by an Asian American Arts foundation up in

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco, and it was handed to me by Jesse Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's kind of how this all played out.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, you know, soon after it was like my

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<v Speaker 1>son was born in two thousand and right before that,

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<v Speaker 1>I decided to quit acting like I was. I was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of I had become so race conscious and so

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<v Speaker 1>angry that I like everything, I was looking at everything

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<v Speaker 1>through the lens of race, and I felt like I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't there. I was just there's no freedom. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel any freedom. So I didn't have any idea what

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to do. But I just decided to

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<v Speaker 1>drop out and I told everybody I'm not acting anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And so about a year went by, I was just

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<v Speaker 1>being a you know, stay at home dad. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>about a year later, somebody had asked me to all

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<v Speaker 1>to it for something, and I said, okay, because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what. I wasn't doing anything. And then that

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<v Speaker 1>was like a slow climb back into the business, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was very, very gradual, and I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't a lot of work anyway for Asian American actors,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't until a few years later. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to Bobby Lee's podcast and he was

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<v Speaker 1>talking with Margaret Choe and Bobby Lee like he mentions

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<v Speaker 1>my name and he said, oh, you know, he got blacklisted,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I was blacklisted. I had no idea, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>But but then I realized, like, oh, that is the

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<v Speaker 1>common kind of like I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>thought that, especially in the Asian American community, I think

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<v Speaker 1>believed that I was blacklisted. And I thought, oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember I texted Bobby said, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't blacklisted, but but who who would have known anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because I wasn't really working by anyway, with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of a lot of work. But yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>took me a while, I think, to to not only

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<v Speaker 1>get back into the business, but to move beyond this

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<v Speaker 1>this race consciousness that was that had overwhelmed me, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a lot of spiritual work. I've been on

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<v Speaker 1>huge spiritual journeys. I've gone to Machu Picchu with Don

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<v Speaker 1>Miguel Ruiz, who wrote the Four Agreements. You know. I've

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<v Speaker 1>done meditation retreats. I've done ayahuasca. You know, I've done

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<v Speaker 1>so many things. And I think over over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>I began to understand the ego. I began to understand

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<v Speaker 1>identify how how the ego works and how I like

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<v Speaker 1>just just this identification with the body, for instance, is

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<v Speaker 1>egoic and recognizing that the true self is the the

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<v Speaker 1>presence that is always here and always now, and that

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<v Speaker 1>the body comes and goes, and this my name, my race.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything that you can, all the labels you can put

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<v Speaker 1>on me, all came after what I call I like,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not inherently this eternal eye that we all are right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what I eventually arrived at. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that freed me, that insight freedman.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow, Wow, what an incredible journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing Well Put.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean yeah, very well, Put, And.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm serious about this, this this this moment. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about this race consciousness that you sort of

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<v Speaker 2>arrived at you were already like mid career. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you had already been working. I mean, was part of

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<v Speaker 2>this recognizing that, especially you know, auditioning for parts and

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<v Speaker 2>reading scripts before that. I mean, there must have been

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<v Speaker 2>so many times when you were asked to audition for

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<v Speaker 2>what was essentially a stereotype or a role that yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and were you turning those parts down or were you

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<v Speaker 2>just hungry enough act Oh? Yeah, so you were you

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<v Speaker 2>were already making choices.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I was turning stuff down all the time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that was just kind of the norm at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, right yeah. I mean now it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>completely different scene now, yeah, I mean it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of amazing.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm curious when you were growing up, you said you

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<v Speaker 8>were the class clown, you were funny. Were there any

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<v Speaker 8>Asian American entertainers that you looked up to when you

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<v Speaker 8>were a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Not that I was like, oh, I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>like that, but I remember like Johnny I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you remember him, sure if he's from Korea, And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I knew I was aware of actress like

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<v Speaker 1>sent Teco, you know, Pat Marina. You know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>friends with his daughter Ali, so George de Kay, like

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<v Speaker 1>all of these different actors who are like a generation ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was aware of them. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of my career, I was always like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to break new ground. I want to break

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<v Speaker 1>new ground. I want to do something that hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>done before. Also, you know, like doing doing roles without

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<v Speaker 1>an accent was a big deal. Like doing an accent

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<v Speaker 1>or not doing any like that was always like an

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<v Speaker 1>issue that was hard. That's why, you know, do the

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<v Speaker 1>right thing. It was hard for me to be to

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<v Speaker 1>have to do that. So it's just been a slow evolution,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And uh, yeah, I've forgotten the question.

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<v Speaker 8>I was asking about your your If there are any

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<v Speaker 8>Asian American actors you you looked up to when you

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<v Speaker 8>were Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was aware of them. I wouldn't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's now like Bruce Lee, it was my you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was my guy. Yeah, you know, But and I

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<v Speaker 1>was a martial artist. I was really into martial arts

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<v Speaker 1>growing up. But I entered my career a knowing I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to do martial arts, knowing I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to just fall into that that you know, stereotypes. So

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<v Speaker 1>I like actively kind of did not go in that direction.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I know, with all the talk we just had

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<v Speaker 7>recently about the ego and all that, this may not

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<v Speaker 7>you know land as well, but I do wonder. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>you've worked with Stephen youun an incredible young actor who

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<v Speaker 7>is getting opportunities that probably didn't even exist ten years ago, Right,

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<v Speaker 7>So what does it feel like for you to see

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<v Speaker 7>some of these changes having been a whistleblower well ahead

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<v Speaker 7>of your time a long time ago, Like how does

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<v Speaker 7>it feel now?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's amazing, but I still feel like I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>in it. I'm still pursuing jobs, I'm still wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>get work. So it's great to see, like it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of blows my mind. Like Stephen Ewen's success is so

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<v Speaker 1>and he, you know, by his own admission, like he's

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<v Speaker 1>one of these people who just is incredibly lucky, like

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<v Speaker 1>just amazing luck that that has happened with him, And

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, I think it's really really great. I

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<v Speaker 1>do sometimes feel like, Wow, what's what's next for me?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going to have to be? And I have no idea,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no sense because I don't know what I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to be this age because I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>doing it for the first time. And and then it

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<v Speaker 1>always goes back to all of the stuff I learned

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<v Speaker 1>in my spiritual journey, you know, which it all points to. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>everything is here right, nothing's missing. What's here, there's something

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<v Speaker 1>from the bagaba gito. What's here now is everywhere. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not here now is nowhere to be found. So the

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<v Speaker 1>moment I feel like something's missing or I'm not getting

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<v Speaker 1>what I want, it's my ego. My ego somehow has

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<v Speaker 1>been hooked and I feel like something is unfair or

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I'm not getting what I want. It's some

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<v Speaker 1>narrative that that has taken hold in my mind. And

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<v Speaker 1>and so I now have the tools to recognize, oh my, my,

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<v Speaker 1>my egos hooked, and and then just to come back

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<v Speaker 1>to the present moment. So that's kind of what I do.

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<v Speaker 7>Steven, thank you so much for joining us today and

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<v Speaker 7>spending your valuable time with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 7>Like we said when you joined we we could not

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<v Speaker 7>stop breaving about you when your episode came up.

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<v Speaker 8>And I just have another seventy fargo questions is.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm just gonna poke you on the shoulder and

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<v Speaker 4>keep asking you, well you know.

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<v Speaker 1>By now, dude, this book. There's a book that was written.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, send me somewhere else, please send us.

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<v Speaker 2>Just go on the internet.

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<v Speaker 4>Will get your answers.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to Steve.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To like Little White Lives on YouTube. Look it up.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a whole interview just about Cargo.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, cool, Okay, you've sent Will on a mission. He

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<v Speaker 5>will definitely do that.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank your house later today with seven questions.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, we won't give him your information, I promise. Thank

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<v Speaker 7>you so much for joining us. It's really been a

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<v Speaker 7>pleasure to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's been great. I really was so scared.

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<v Speaker 1>I was telling Kelly how that was. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what we were going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't I hope it did. Was it was it scary?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, no, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a joy.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, thank you, great, Thank you so much. Great to

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<v Speaker 5>see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, bye bye bye.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh man, I'm so excited to see Mickey seventeen. By

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<v Speaker 7>the way, for our dear listeners who may not know,

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<v Speaker 7>it is the follow up to Parasite.

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<v Speaker 8>I just can't I can't get over the scope of

1:11:04.240 --> 1:11:07.800
<v Speaker 8>the directors that he's worked with now, the experiences that

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<v Speaker 8>he's had, good and bad in this industry just incredible. Again,

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<v Speaker 8>one of those people I could sit and just listen

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<v Speaker 8>to talk all day. Just please keep telling me stories.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I mean, yeah, I feel exactly the same way.

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<v Speaker 8>But I also love that move.

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<v Speaker 2>The interview moved from you know, Hollywood stories, which I

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<v Speaker 2>obviously love, and I just want to sit and have

1:11:28.840 --> 1:11:33.559
<v Speaker 2>dinner conversation about that too, like really intense, spiritual, interesting

1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:36.240
<v Speaker 2>philosophical stuff that I'm like, I also want to hear.

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<v Speaker 8>So I just I'm still the whole James Hong thing

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<v Speaker 8>because I got so. I grew up a huge James

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<v Speaker 8>Hong fan and I've gotten to work with him three

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<v Speaker 8>times and he's the nicest human being you will ever

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<v Speaker 8>meet in your life. So hearing anybody say anything about

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<v Speaker 8>him made me viscerally angry. It was weird to hear

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<v Speaker 8>that he had a bad experience on the set, because

1:11:55.880 --> 1:11:58.960
<v Speaker 8>you could not meet a nicer human being than James

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<v Speaker 8>Hong and as hell, So like.

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<v Speaker 4>Hearing that was just I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that at all.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I know, it's pretty it's a it's pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's got he's got quite a story.

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<v Speaker 7>And I love how there's nothing about the way he

1:12:11.720 --> 1:12:16.720
<v Speaker 7>talks that give He's just everything he says is just like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>but this is what happened. It's just this is and

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<v Speaker 7>there's no like shame in sharing it. This is, this

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<v Speaker 7>is who said this and then this happened and then

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<v Speaker 7>got the call like I don't know, it's just he

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<v Speaker 7>seems like such a.

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<v Speaker 5>Just straightforward, honest but thoughtful.

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<v Speaker 2>Also he's so even keeled and yeah, and what's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>about that is that, you know, actors, comedic actors especially

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<v Speaker 2>are usually not right. You know, it's like it's hard.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a lot of the reason that people become

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<v Speaker 2>actors often is because they're very expressive, and they're very emotional,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're up and down, and so the result is

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<v Speaker 2>that often actors are kind of, you know erradical and hard.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, the harder it feels like a relaxed round.

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<v Speaker 2>And he is clearly a great actor. Listening to him

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how he thinks as an act like when

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking about his Fargo experience, and he so

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<v Speaker 2>invested in the emotion he made it personal for himself

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<v Speaker 2>like this, I mean, he's just a genius actor. But

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<v Speaker 2>then he can also be very even. Keel talk very

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<v Speaker 2>intelligently and sort of like, you know, basically about his

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<v Speaker 2>life and his experience and his thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 8>Well again, he talked about the internal struggle he put

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<v Speaker 8>himself into shoot one day, one scene, and he probably

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<v Speaker 8>beat himself up and got himself to such a state

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<v Speaker 8>for weeks, if not months beforehand to go in there,

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<v Speaker 8>to the point where he's sitting across from this one

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<v Speaker 8>of the most probably one of the most gifted actresses

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<v Speaker 8>in the history of Hollywood who says you've got to

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<v Speaker 8>turn the camera, turn around or he's so in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love It's creditative to that because that's totally

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<v Speaker 2>her styles to be like, oh well, let's be and

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<v Speaker 2>and of course she's like married to the director so

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<v Speaker 2>she can tell him. I mean apparently she's that way,

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<v Speaker 2>like she's just so you got to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be looking that way right now because look at what.

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<v Speaker 2>Just love it like every other story is like. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I was doing a play. I'm like, I am

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<v Speaker 2>still doing plays because you just are an accident at

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, Except for that one year when he

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<v Speaker 2>which also was super interesting, like that he reached this

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<v Speaker 2>point where he was like, I need to take a

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<v Speaker 2>step back because I'm getting too caught up in something

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<v Speaker 2>that is is hurting me. Oh, he's so fascinating an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting guy.

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