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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to get an experience yesterday which is

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Speaker 2: I'm like yeah, sure, and etches my keys and I'm like, great,

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Speaker 2: This guy is literally why, And I like, what do

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Speaker 4: You've got some human connection left over, which is good.

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Speaker 8: And if this poor man turns up dead, his DNA's

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Speaker 4: Exactly Amazon, that Toyota's got all that stuff.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if what you're lacking is conversation, then you

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Speaker 5: Sitcom's for eight hundred pies.

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Speaker 2: It was on this sitcom that Corey and Tapanga first

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Speaker 4: Do you really?

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Speaker 7: Let's play the game. Ready TV sitcoms for four hundred dollars.

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Speaker 4: What is Boys World?

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Speaker 7: World, Boys Meet World for twelve hundred dollars From twenty

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Speaker 7: And so we've learned that Boy Meets World really did

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Speaker 7: A true artist. It's Steven Park.

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Speaker 5: We can see you, hi. Yes, we are so happy

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Speaker 1: then I just said, can I hug you? And then

441
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 1: he gave me a hug, and yeah, so that was

442
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 1: kind of like that was kind of the beginning. And

443
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 1: that was terrified too, because being a Korean American growing

444
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 1: up in New York, so you know, I grew up

445
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 1: in white community, so I didn't grow up speaking the

446
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: language or anything. Yeah, and I've had a very maybe

447
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,199
Speaker 1: tenuous grasp of my culture. So playing an immigrant from

448
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,479
Speaker 1: Korea terrified me. And so I had to kind of

449
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: like my uncle actually worked at a market in Manhattan.

450
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: I worked there for a little while, and my brother

451
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: in law helped me with the dialect because I'd never

452
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,879
Speaker 1: done a Korean dialect before and so I was learning

453
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: the dialect. So anyway, it was a kind of a

454
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 1: big learning curve for me, just playing an immigrant from Korea.

455
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: But it was terrifying.

456
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 8: Oh my goshy in my head, I'm just thinking, it's

457
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,120
Speaker 8: so far. You've mentioned the Cohen Brothers and Spike Lee

458
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 8: as the directors you've been working with so far, and

459
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 8: it's just like the list is just building where it's like,

460
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 8: oh man, it's some of the most brilliant people that

461
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 8: have ever been in film everywhere.

462
00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know would happened, it's just yeah.

463
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 7: And so what are your parents thinking at this time?

464
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 7: Are your parents supportive of you once you start booking jobs.

465
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 7: How do your parents feel about this transition you've made.

466
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think they were excited, but it wasn't you know.

467
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: I think they were excited by the attention I was

468
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 1: getting and people were like, wow, he's very successful. But

469
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: I think, especially for my dad, it was more there

470
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: was no solidity, There is no constancy, So my parents

471
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: also have been with me through long periods of unemployment,

472
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, struggling with money, so you know, over the

473
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: long arc of my career, they've seen how difficult it's stand.

474
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: But I think they appreciate the fact that I've had

475
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: the success that I've had. But I mean, to be honest,

476
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: they don't really understand. Yeah, maybe what I do, or

477
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 1: they don't understand the work so much. I don't know,

478
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: like like I don't know if fifteen Fargo, you know,

479
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: it's like, and I meet a lot of actors like that.

480
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: His parents like to have no clue like what they

481
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 1: do or it seem so alien to them. And that's

482
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: kind of been my experience. I mean, so they've been supportive,

483
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: but it's always been like they have no idea what

484
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: I do right?

485
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 7: Right, They're like, we don't get it, but we're happy

486
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 7: You're happy exactly, Okay, so you do do the right thing.

487
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 7: How does and your living in Los Angeles? How does

488
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 7: in Living Color come about?

489
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 6: Same?

490
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: That was a little bit more shocking because it's like

491
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: a regular audition that started in the casting office and

492
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: by that point I had I don't know, fifteen minutes set.

493
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: I didn't really I was still beginning as a comedian,

494
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, and I wasn't really like comedy. It took

495
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: me a while to realize that stand up comedy was

496
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: not my thing. But I kind of had enough to

497
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: do an audition, and then when I got called back,

498
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, the callback is at the lab

499
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: factory and it was in front of an audience that

500
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: didn't know that these were auditions, So that was terrifying.

501
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: And there was like I want to say, like fifteen

502
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: or twenty of us. I mean I remember Mark chose

503
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: one of us. One of them were one of the

504
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: people auditioning.

505
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 2: And do you remember what your material was like? Do

506
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: you remember what you're?

507
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did like I was doing like spoof on

508
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 1: Asian stereotypes. I then did this bit where I was

509
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: I had a boombox, I had them doing it over

510
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: the PA system where I was doing that bad coung

511
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: through the lip sinking right. And then yeah, in my memory,

512
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: act was very it's very it's dissipated, but I just

513
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: remember it ended with I created this this duo between

514
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee and Ambo, and I had Bruce Lee saying

515
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: that line from uh from Entered the Dragon. You have

516
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: offended my family. You have offended my my what is

517
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: it my school? You have offended my family. And then

518
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: the rambo has his rifle and then I had about

519
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: five minutes of machine gun fire to the yes and

520
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: then and then Bruce Lee says the line again, you

521
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: have offended my school, you have offended. So that was

522
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: the end of that particular. It was so silly. And

523
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: then when they called this back again for another callback

524
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: again at the laugh factory, it was like down to

525
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: I think five of us or something. Then I had

526
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: to like scrounge for material, and I was doing the

527
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: jokes that I was doing, like in elementary and like

528
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: I was just coming up with the dumbest jokes. And

529
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: I remember one of them was, all right, I'm going

530
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: to do an impression of two worms having sex. This

531
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: is my impression of two worms having sex. I did

532
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: that joke at the last factory and gotten on a

533
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: living color. I did the dumbest joke.

534
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 4: I mean, it's so good, the world's so great.

535
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 2: It's great. And so at this point, are you thinking

536
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: of yourself as an actor who does stand up or

537
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 2: a comedian who acts sometimes or is it just all

538
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: the same.

539
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: I was still figuring it out. And I had such

540
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: a huge opportunity when I was a living color to

541
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: go on the road as a comedian. But I didn't

542
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: have an act. I had just what I did at

543
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: the audition, and truth be told, I was just you know,

544
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: it took me a while to just realize that I

545
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: didn't have the DNA just like I didn't I couldn't

546
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: live that life. Yeah, I couldn't.

547
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 8: I couldn't either.

548
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: It's just like I look at like people that I know,

549
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: like Bobby Lee or even you know, Margacheoe, like it's

550
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: like they're born to do it, you know, they're they're something.

551
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, a lot of stand ups they

552
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: come from some difficult background or some kind of challenging

553
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: childhood or drug abuse or whatever. So somehow that fuels

554
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: that career somehow. And also when I was starting too,

555
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: there weren't a lot of Asian comedians, so also I

556
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: was extremely like hyper sensitive, so I was constantly on

557
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: the receiving end and a lot of racist jokes and

558
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: I would sit in the audience and so it was

559
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: I mean, my girlfriend at the time was like saying,

560
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be doing this just because I would get

561
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: so depressed. I would be so and angry that I

562
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: was forcing myself to go into this environment and try

563
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: to be funny, and it was just I was just

564
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: not emotionally equipped to deal with things at that time.

565
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: As a stand up comedian, I couldn't. It wasn't ending.

566
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 8: You're right, it's not a job or even a career.

567
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 8: It's a lifestyle. It's a whole lifestyle being a comedian.

568
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 8: And you're right talking to people that do it, it's

569
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 8: they have this thing. It's like, this is okay, you're

570
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 8: a comedian, your stand up this is what you do.

571
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 4: This is your lifestyle you want to be They can't

572
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 4: get right.

573
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: You have to exactly not be able to not do it.

574
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, because.

575
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: Otherwise why would you put yourself through that. Like as

576
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: an entertainer, I can kind of see like, oh yeah,

577
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: I could do like fifteen minutes, right, But then the

578
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: idea of like having to beat that the next night

579
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: and beat that the next night, and I'm like, no,

580
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 2: I don't traveling and.

581
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: Not sleeping and do anything. I'm sorry.

582
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 8: I'm still trying to recover from you having to go

583
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 8: to the laugh factory and your audition is in front

584
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 8: of a crowd.

585
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: Of they don't.

586
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: Know that you're auditioning. You're also now, did you watch

587
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 4: in Living Color.

588
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 8: At the time you auditioned for the show, so you

589
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 8: already knew what you were getting into then, Yeah.

590
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean I remember they did this, They did a

591
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: spoof fun do the Right Thing. I remember, which I

592
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: was like, Oh my god, that's crazy. And I never

593
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: I never imagined that would be on the show. I

594
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: mean when when the audition came up, and I knew

595
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: they were looking for like Asian American and they were

596
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: looking for Latino actors, comedians, and so it was just

597
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: an opportunity. That was an amazing opportunity that just popped

598
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: out of nowhere.

599
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 8: Well it was, I mean at the time, it was

600
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 8: the hip is show on television. I mean, Saturday Night

601
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 8: Live had nothing on in Living Color. It was this

602
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 8: was like groundbreaking because I think Keen Ivory Wins had

603
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 8: come off of I'm Going to Get You Sucko, which

604
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 8: was like amazing, right, and then.

605
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: It was like, oh, he's doing a television show.

606
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 8: And then you'd sit there and watch it and I go,

607
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 8: oh my god, what's happening in front of me? I mean,

608
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 8: it really was completely groundbreaking for TV. Was this set

609
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 8: a fun place to be? Was it was it conducive

610
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 8: to comedy and you know, just trying to get the

611
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 8: funniest bits you can do?

612
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 4: Or was it a little cutthroat?

613
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: It was kind of a lot of things. I had

614
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: kind of a challenging experience just because I mean it

615
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: was fun. I mean the amount of like just table

616
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: reads where the ways would be falling out of their

617
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: chairs or you know, it was like the funniest people

618
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: in the world altogether in the same room kind of vibe.

619
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: You know. So it was like so so intimidating, and

620
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, also being thrown in it's like being thrown

621
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: into a situation where everybody's already a family, so you're

622
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: then you're you're the adoptee. Yeah, so that was also

623
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: very challenging. And and then also how I was not

624
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: on the show anymore also was really challenging because it

625
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: was not fully explained to me, and I had different explanations,

626
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: so it was like ninety yeah, so when I was

627
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: not asked back. That was the year of the riots

628
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: in LA and there was a lot of you know,

629
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: animosity between the black the black community in the Korean

630
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: American community, and so I was feeling at the time like, well,

631
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: maybe that had something to do with it. I didn't know,

632
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: but maybe almost like six almost seven years later, I

633
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: was casting to play with my current wife, Kelly Colfield,

634
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: who was in the Living Color.

635
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 5: Yes, I was just going to ask about that. You

636
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 5: met on that set, right, We.

637
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: Met on the set, but it was just, you know,

638
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: we were both in relationships at the time, you know,

639
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: and also I was too stressed to do so that

640
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: was not that was not on my mind at the time.

641
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: But then what excuse when this play happened? That was

642
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen her since the show, and it was

643
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: reconnecting and then trying to unpack, like, so, what what happened?

644
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: You know? And then she said when they came back

645
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: the next season, she everybody was like, what, we're Steve,

646
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: what happened? And then he said that because this was

647
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: when Living Color was about, Keenan was fighting with Fox

648
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: the network, and it was like the beginning of the end,

649
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: and I think he was getting a little set up,

650
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: and he said that he was having a negotiating issue

651
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: with my manager and she was pushing too hard. And

652
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: then so he just said screw it, and then he

653
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: just let me go. And then I was told by

654
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: one of the producers that they were looking for a

655
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: comedian who had more of a stable of characters. And

656
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: then when I read the release from Fox that I

657
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: read in the paper, it was because I was pursuing

658
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: other opportunities. You know, so has their own kind of thing,

659
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: and so it took me. It took it probably until

660
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: I met Kelly. It took I didn't. There was always

661
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a wound there, like I said,

662
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: not knowing. Oh God, the life of an actor.

663
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: From project to project, you just hope.

664
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 8: So yeah, well I'm a huge I was telling them

665
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 8: before we got on. I'm a huge fan of your

666
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 8: wife as well, not just your lines from Fargo, but

667
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 8: I could do her lines from her Seinfeld episode.

668
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 4: It's the way my brain works. So she is hysterical.

669
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: Please tell her I love her, that's all I will.

670
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: I love that.

671
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 7: You guys have two children who are both in their twenties, right,

672
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 7: do you they any idea how cool their parents are.

673
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, you know it's funny because you know,

674
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: I think Kelly and I, you know, we we kind

675
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: of remark on that sometimes, like we have, they've come

676
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: and they bring their friends over, and we kind of

677
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: wonder what they think of us because we're so not

678
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: like the normal parents. I guess that other but but

679
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: in other words, we are you know, we're just normal people.

680
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: We don't do anything crazy. You know, we make food

681
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: and we invite people in and you know, please take

682
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: your shoes off, and you know whatever. But yeah, that

683
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: I I don't know. You'd have to ask my kids

684
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: what their experience is. I you know, I know that

685
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: they hear things and and I think sometimes maybe they

686
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: try to hide it. I don't know what they do.

687
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: But but neither of them, no one's No one's gone

688
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: into entertainment. That's not well.

689
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: Actually, my daughter, my daughter is, she just she went

690
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: to film school. She just graduated from Pratt Institute as

691
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: a filmmaker and is pursuing acting. So yeah, so my

692
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: son is he's a writer. He's finishing grad school at

693
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: Brooklyn College in the Creative Writing program, and he works

694
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: at the Paris Review. And uh, he's writing his first novel.

695
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: So she'll probably be hearing about that at some point.

696
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: It's so cool.

697
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 7: So you had already watched Spike Lee, Change Movies Forever,

698
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 7: the Wayans Brothers just rubbed the television in industry as

699
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 7: a whole. And then you appear on Boy Meets World.

700
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 4: The Pinnacle.

701
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: Let's talk about high.

702
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: Serious.

703
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 7: What do you remember about this blip on your resume?

704
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: Do you? Did?

705
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 5: You have to audition for it?

706
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: For it? And I remember thinking because they thought it

707
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: was really funny that I was yelling, which seems like, well,

708
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: of course I'm yelling. I'm inside of the hell, you know,

709
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: a plane. And I got the impression like, well, maybe

710
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: the other people who audition didn't yell.

711
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, this was must have been your idea, because then

712
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 7: it becomes the.

713
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: Funny whole, the whole show. But I wonder if they

714
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: hadn't thought about that when they.

715
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 5: Wrote there's no way, so you just did it?

716
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was just yelling and then and

717
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: then they laughed and it was like, isn't everybody doing

718
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: this after?

719
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that's so funny, that's so great.

720
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: But I have no idea. I just made that up

721
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: in my mind. I have no idea that that was

722
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: no Actually that my memory. That's what stayed with me.

723
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's why I'm guessing that.

724
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 8: We didn't start yelling until you started yelling and we went, Okay,

725
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 8: that's it has to be this.

726
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: It has to be this for.

727
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 8: The scene, and probably the three of us started yelling

728
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 8: back at you and that was it because it was

729
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 8: such a good scene and so funny. One of the

730
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 8: things we talk about is that, you know, we're going

731
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 8: back watching the entire series again, which Rider had never

732
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 8: seen the show, and Daniel and I haven't seen it

733
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 8: since it was on, and so we're kind of rediscovering.

734
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 4: These episodes as we go.

735
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 8: And your episode is in contention for the best episode.

736
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 7: Of the entire the number one best episode up till

737
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 7: this point. We're six seasons in and Raging is high,

738
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 7: like truly in contention for our favorite episode of the show.

739
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, based on your just our stupid opinions, all three

740
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 8: of us.

741
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, you could take it or leave it.

742
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: But it's not official or anything. It's just we love it.

743
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: Can I ask what sticks out which stands out about

744
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: that episode for you?

745
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 7: Well, there's there's a few things. We love both the

746
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 7: A and B storyline. It's a really well balanced episode.

747
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 7: We like that that there's a moment between it's a

748
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 7: it's about a you know, about parenting and about a

749
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 7: father relationship, and there's moments for all three of his kids.

750
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 7: There's storylines for how he raises Corey. It also is

751
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 7: something Will had joked about when we first started rewatching

752
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 7: the show, was that, like, they don't know they have

753
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 7: another son. The entire show, it's about the little sister

754
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 7: and Corey. They never acknowledge Eric, they never acknowledge it.

755
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 7: And then this whole episode kind of about what his

756
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 7: relationship is like with his dad.

757
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: And I'm also realizing that, as ridiculous as this sounds,

758
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: I think the yelling choice might be one of the

759
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: major reasons that the episode works because if I think

760
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: about that dialogue without the yelling, like, take that scene

761
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: and take the fact that they're screaming, you know that

762
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: you guys are screaming at each other away right right,

763
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: Suddenly it becomes pretty sappy boy meets World. It's a

764
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: little setting. It becomes why don't we have the relationship

765
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: that you and Corey have, you know? If Eric? And

766
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 2: and that turn where it goes from a story about

767
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: Corey trying to prove himself to his dad or to

768
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: you know, and then to Eric suddenly becomes very sentimental

769
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 2: and a little like saccherin right in like the way

770
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: that Boy Meets World as a sitcom could do. But

771
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: the fact that you guys are all screaming and about

772
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 2: to jump out of the plane makes it removes any

773
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: of that sentimentality, and so it gets the story upoint across,

774
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: but it makes it more just fun and funny and

775
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: like that. It's I think that that's one of the

776
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: reasons why the episode is so good is that it

777
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: never gets weighted down by you know what, what other

778
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: episodes would we would we would get very sappy, you know, and.

779
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: It just isn't. It's so wow, that's so interesting, yelling worked.

780
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 5: It's always good, no matter.

781
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 8: It's also one of the things that we love that

782
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 8: we talk about all the time is a great impactful

783
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 8: guest star and you were it's just somebody who comes

784
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 8: to you, doesn't have a whole ton to do, but

785
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 8: crushes it.

786
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, drive by you just you drive by, you

787
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 7: pop in for a moment, absolutely kill it and keep going.

788
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 5: We just love it.

789
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 2: Important sitcoms, you know, it's like such a key thing

790
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 2: to have a great guests Thank you so much.

791
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: Are you having every single person on the show.

792
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 5: Everyone.

793
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 7: Yes, there are a few people who have said no,

794
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 7: but we've asked pretty much everyone up untip to this point.

795
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: We have. Yeah, but you've saw you've rewatched this episode

796
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: a long time ago, probably right.

797
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 7: Well, we've been doing the podcast now for about two

798
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 7: and a half years.

799
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 5: That was a season five so yeah, no six months ago?

800
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so recent?

801
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 5: All right, within the last six months.

802
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: Are you guys done now or are you still watching now?

803
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 4: We just starting season six.

804
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 8: We have all of season six and all of season

805
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 8: seven left today.

806
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: We're milking it.

807
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 5: Stevening, you take make it take as long as possible.

808
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 7: So do you did you know of Boy Meets World

809
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 7: before you got the audition?

810
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 5: Had you ever heard of the show?

811
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: Or was this the first time the show?

812
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, I think it was a little I was

813
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: a little long in the tooth I think at that point.

814
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, you weren't our demographic.

815
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 5: No, do you remember hanging with us all week?

816
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 7: Do you have any other memories other than Will being

817
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 7: annoying and talking to you.

818
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: About really that was the main memory.

819
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 4: Plucking you on the shoulder.

820
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: Hey, I have another burg question.

821
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: I just remember I do remember I feel like I

822
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: disappointed you because I think you were talking about was

823
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: it ren and Stimpy or something? It was a show

824
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: that you were fascinated by at the US and butt Head,

825
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: which I wasn't really watching, and you were asking me

826
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: about it, and I had nothing to say, and I

827
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: felt like, oh, man, what a dunt I am?

828
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: Well, I will probably did make you feel bad about that.

829
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 2: Oh you were in Farga, but you don't know.

830
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was something.

831
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 5: Like maybe it was South Park.

832
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 4: It might have been South Park.

833
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: Actually been South Park, might have been South Park.

834
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 4: I think it was South Park at the time.

835
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it.

836
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 8: No, you know what I remember remember the most about

837
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 8: about our conversations. By conversations, I mean me peppering you

838
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 8: with questions and you very politely and calmly answering them.

839
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 8: I remember you saying that you were shocked that people

840
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 8: thought your character was funny in Fargo.

841
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what happened. I remember I've told this

842
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: story before, but after they first started screening it, I

843
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: got a call from Ethan Cohen and he told me

844
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: how funny I was. And that was the first time

845
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm like what and and it didn't occur to me

846
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: because I was still so in the character's pov, right,

847
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: and I know doing that part. I remember the day

848
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: I was I had somehow like put myself into some

849
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: more emotional torture. I was really really like, you know,

850
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: because internally it was like I was screaming in pain

851
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: and then covering it and then doing the scene. Like

852
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I approached the scene. Yeah, and

853
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: then I was I was bringing up my mother, I

854
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: like bringing up both So I was a mess really inside,

855
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: and I was really so that was my goal was

856
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: just to be like barely holding it together and then

857
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: to do the scene. And I know it was weird,

858
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, and so all that stuff.

859
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: I knew it was weird, but to hear about how

860
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: everybody was laughing, it took me a while to wrap

861
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: my head around and then realized, oh yeah, like and

862
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: then I understood it. But it was because, yeah, I

863
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: just was too too still too in the character's mindset

864
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: to to see the audience point of view at that point. Yeah.

865
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 5: So you mentioned that the Cohen Brothers didn't tell you much.

866
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 7: What did you know about your character, Mike Yanagita before

867
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 7: you went into the movie.

868
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 5: What did you what were you prepped with.

869
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the characters were based on

870
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: people they knew growing up growing up there, and there

871
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: was I think his name was Glenn Yanagita, the actual

872
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: person maybe that they grew up with in high school,

873
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: not that this character is based on him at all.

874
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: And that's about it. I mean, because when I did

875
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: the audition, you know they of course, you know, they

876
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: hired me, and I remember the main thing when I

877
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: got the job, he was on the set. The main

878
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: kind of surprise was working with Elizabeth Himmelstein, who was

879
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: the dialect coach, and how hard she was pushing the

880
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: dialect like no, you want more? Oh yeah, and it

881
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: sounded so kind of phony. It sounded like weird. So

882
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: just going into that and feeling comfortable bending those ours

883
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: and oh and doing the dialect to that extent it

884
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: felt unnatural until it didn't anymore. But as far as

885
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: the scene, I think maybe I was just giving them.

886
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: I felt like it took me a lot. It was

887
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: a long road personally to arrive at the character, because

888
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: when when I first saw the audition, I passed on

889
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: it because it was described to overweight forty and like,

890
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: why do they want to see me, like, you know,

891
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: and then it came back and I was like okay,

892
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: and then I flew. I was in LA at the time,

893
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: so I flew to New York and yeah, so I

894
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: just kind of like, as I started, I'm learning more

895
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: about this character and kind of investigating it, it was like,

896
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm not this character. I'm not this character. Oh my god,

897
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: I am this character.

898
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

899
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if it's ever happened to

900
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: you as an actor where the role feels like you

901
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: don't feel connected to it. And if I think a

902
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: lot of it is because it's like, well, this guy's

903
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 1: you know, you have a judgment about the character. So

904
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: once the judgment, I think the judgment somehow dropped and

905
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: I realized, oh, I am this guy, like because I

906
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: understood that loneliness, I understood the pain, I understood emotionally

907
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: this guy, and I know people like this. So I

908
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: once that happened, I feel like I knew the character.

909
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: And I think the Coen Brothers may be felt like

910
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,479
Speaker 1: they didn't really need to say much because I felt

911
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: like I knew I knew this person.

912
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 5: Did you do a lot of takes or was.

913
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: It from different? It was really more just different setups.

914
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: But I did you know when they were on me

915
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: there there was one. I was kind of like finding

916
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: things with each take. It wasn't like a lot of takes,

917
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: but you know the one where I was like, oh,

918
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: you know, relation I should have you know, like that

919
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: wasn't kind of imp like that was a spontaneous moment,

920
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: and but it was. I won't say it was a lot,

921
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: it was. I mean, we did. I remember they started

922
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: on fran they started on March Gunderson, so but I

923
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: was fully in it when they were on her first,

924
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: and then at one point, uh, Francis, you know you

925
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: better turn around on him now, just because I was

926
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: so in it. And so then they were on me,

927
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: and it was enough takes to find the little moments

928
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: like that moment and to uh to to just get

929
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: into the little nuances. But it wasn't like like Wes

930
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: Anderson right to and they're like one more for the pleasure,

931
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: and then there's ten more.

932
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 7: In your intro, we mentioned a ton of the classic

933
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 7: films that you have appeared in, but also we're not

934
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 7: sure anyone can be this list of directors you have

935
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 7: worked with, Ivan Riadman, Barry Levinson, the Cohen Brothers, Barbart Schroeder,

936
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 7: Joel Schumacher, Wes Anderson, Bill Murray, Miranda, July Bong, June Hoe.

937
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 7: I mean, you've worked with a lot of these people

938
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 7: more than once, So in your opinion, is there something

939
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 7: that all of these incredible directors have in common?

940
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: You know what? I think it is Fargo. I think

941
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: Fargo was my like entree into all of these directors' work.

942
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: I think that they they they love. I mean when

943
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: I first met director Bomb and I was we were

944
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: in Prague, we were at Baranda Studios and he was

945
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: introducing me to John Hurt and I said, well, remember

946
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: he was, and then he referred to me as Fargo.

947
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: Remember Fargo. So that's kind of was like, oh, okay,

948
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: you know so that was my That was how these

949
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: directors I think found me and wanted to work with me.

950
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 8: Well, not to put you on the spot, but is

951
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 8: there one that you prefer working with over another? Is

952
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 8: there a director where every time the name comes up,

953
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 8: you're like, oh, I can't wait to work with this

954
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 8: person again.

955
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: Well I have to, you know, I love working with

956
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, Director Bomb is like I'm good, Hopefully I'm

957
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 1: going to see him next week because Mickey seventeen, which

958
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: I worked on, ye, I'm going to get to see

959
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: it next week, and so I hopefully we'll get to

960
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: see him. But he is such a sweet, down to

961
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: earth guy. I had the like complete honor of hanging

962
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: out with him after the big Oscar night and we

963
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: all went to Korea Town and we're at a restaurant

964
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: and the cast and the producers and wow, that was

965
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: an amazing evening. And so he's just a sweetheart, and

966
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: I love working with him whenever. I you know, twice now,

967
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 1: so that's been really great. But I have to say,

968
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: like working with Wes Anderson is another level because he

969
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: is like an independent filmmaker. So when I worked like

970
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: on Mickey seventeen, I was Warner Brothers, so I was

971
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: dealing with Warner Brothers and I was kind of living

972
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: in Camden and everybody was kind of spread out, so

973
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a connection with the other cast

974
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 1: members so much unless I like, I had a party

975
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: once and I buy a bunch of people over. But

976
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: it was a little bit alienating, and which which helped

977
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: for this movie, you know, because the alienation was helped

978
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: because there was a lot of that in terms of

979
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: the story. But the way West works is he'll he'll

980
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: be in some country and privatize a hotel and like

981
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: the whole cast is living there, and the crew is living.

982
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: A lot of the crew we're all living. You know,

983
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: it's not in the same hotel, in the next door hotel.

984
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: And the studio usually is a golf cart away because

985
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,959
Speaker 1: West likes to like drive the golf cart to set.

986
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: And so every night, like they'll wrap around seven o'clock

987
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: and then everybody meets for dinner. West at the head

988
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: of the table and you go down and it's just

989
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: like you all of these movies like that, and then

990
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: listening to West just I mean, he talks about film

991
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: and you just it's like going to film school. And

992
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: one of the things he does too that's so great

993
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: is he has a table of maybe about twenty Blu

994
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: Ray DVDs of all of these classic movies that had

995
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: some influence on the movie we're working on. And so

996
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, you have a Blu Ray machine in your room,

997
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: so you pick one, you sign it out, and then

998
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: when you're not working, you're just watching these great movies.

999
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: And then you're going downstairs and you're meeting movies stars

1000
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: and you're talking to West about this movie or that

1001
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: or what was the influence on this scene. So it's

1002
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: like that's just an amazing Oh man.

1003
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: You feel like you're part of a company.

1004
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: You feel like you're all.

1005
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: Entering the same artistic mindset and collaborating together.

1006
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: That is Yeah, it's so great. And you know, like

1007
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: when we were in Potsdam, Germany for this latest film,

1008
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: the Phoenician Scheme, which opens May thirtieth, I want to say,

1009
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: or thirty first titles. He has the Phoenician Scheme. It's

1010
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. And but talk about star studied, you

1011
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: know cast Benizio del Toro and Michael Sarah Miothorappleton, Like

1012
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. Like they also like both because

1013
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: when they did the French Dispatch that was in angole M, France,

1014
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: and they had these electric bikes that you borrow, so

1015
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: you know we would go on these like you know,

1016
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: bike trips together. So I mean it was my wife

1017
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: had come and so it's like Hope, Pope Davis and

1018
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: Michael Sarah and we're just riding around Potsdam, you know,

1019
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: going to a beer. You know, it's so much fun.

1020
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: It's like camp and everybody is so cool, and it's

1021
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: like there's no there's no hierarchies. It's just everybody is

1022
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: the same and it's just beautiful. And Wes is so

1023
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: meticulous about everything. Like when we went to can for

1024
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: the French dispatch, I remember they were setting up the

1025
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: dining room for after the screening and Wes is in

1026
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: there with one of the employees that he's putting in

1027
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: games and all the tables he's decided in court everybody's sitting.

1028
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: He knows everything. He knows where everybody like, what room

1029
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: everybody's in, Like his mind is incredible, and what he

1030
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: what he remembers and and what he's paying attention to.

1031
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: So you know, he talks about how you like, when

1032
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: he goes sleep, he's he's constantly centering things, you know,

1033
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: because he's doing that all the time in the frame.

1034
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: He's like his brain and everything. Yeah, so his dreams

1035
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: are like a Wes Anderson.

1036
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 7: But that's so cool to hear what we were You

1037
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 7: just mentioned Mickey seventeen. What are you allowed to tell

1038
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 7: us about that project?

1039
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 1: Well, it's out now kind of, I mean, it's it's

1040
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: the I guess it's going to be released on March seven,

1041
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: but it's based on Mickey seven. He uh, you know

1042
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: Bunching Hoes expanded obviously, and uh yeah, that also was

1043
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: just a lot of fun in his imagination. It's just

1044
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: it's just incredible and he's so it's so fluid, Like

1045
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: as a director, he'd like, I mean, this is something

1046
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: that director Bong and West have in common is their

1047
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: storyboarding is like the movie has already been made and

1048
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: the filmmaking is really the constructing of it. But if

1049
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: you look at his storyboards, it's like every little frame

1050
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: you know exactly what's going to happen. So with director Bob,

1051
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: sometimes he's storyboarding the night before, but you have a

1052
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: sense like he he's shooting to exactly what he wants

1053
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: on the storyboards, so there's no master shot. So if

1054
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: there's a shot with me crossing the screen and like

1055
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: like there's one scene where I'm crossing and I have

1056
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: this injury on my arm, and the storyboard is me

1057
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: going so that's exactly what I'm doing, just going across

1058
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: the screen and like I'm in pain, and then cut.

1059
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: So he's shooting exactly what's on the storyboard. He's not

1060
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: he's not having a scene play out and all, you

1061
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he's shooting exactly what's on

1062
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: the storyboard. And West goes like even one step further

1063
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 1: where he does an animatic, which is basically a movie

1064
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: storyboard or a cartoon, So every shot has already been

1065
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: planned and visualized, and then he voices all the characters

1066
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: and so before you when you arrive on set, you

1067
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: get to watch the animats. It's like you're basically watch

1068
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: the movie with his voice. And then he pretty much

1069
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: sticks to the exactly so in a way like when

1070
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: you look at a Wes Anderson movie and you look

1071
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: how the characters move, they kind of you know, and

1072
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: then they kind of move aside. You know, there's a

1073
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: kind of stick figure kind of quality maybe to movies,

1074
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of looks like the the the animation.

1075
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 6: Wow.

1076
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: But he likes that. That's his aesthetic, you know, and

1077
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: it really it really works, and there's something very funny

1078
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: about it, and there's something very kind of almost cartoonish,

1079
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: but it's very it's very West. It's very affecting.

1080
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 7: Who is left for you on your dream list of

1081
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 7: directors or co stars?

1082
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 5: Who have you worked you.

1083
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, my god, I mean, I

1084
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: mean I would love to work with Park chanuk. I

1085
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: I don't you know. It's funny because I don't I

1086
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: haven't even asked myself that question, because it's like every

1087
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: everybody I've worked with has been such a surprise. I

1088
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: never thought I'd be working with any of these people.

1089
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: So hmmm, I don't know, because I've already been blessed

1090
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: with working with so many ami using people, so I

1091
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: don't even know.

1092
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 7: I could just been a surprise. You're no, it's okay,

1093
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 7: it's been already. I love that for you. You're like,

1094
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 7: why would I the career you never could have exactly,

1095
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 7: so you never could have imagined it, and it turned

1096
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 7: out better than you could have imagined, so why bother

1097
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 7: to think ahead?

1098
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Total.

1099
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 7: So one more thing I did want to talk to

1100
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 7: you about was back in nineteen ninety nine, after a

1101
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 7: disappointing experience on the set of a very massive sitcom,

1102
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 7: you wrote, way ahead of its time, an incredibly brave

1103
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 7: mission statement to Hollywood about status, power and racism in Hollywood,

1104
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 7: about the difficulties you faced finding work as an Asian actor,

1105
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 7: and especially work that you felt like you could be

1106
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 7: proud of. So I really recommend everybody read it. It

1107
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 7: is still on the internet and you'll realize, you know,

1108
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 7: Steve was saying these things twenty six years ago and

1109
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 7: they are still relevant. Can you tell us what the

1110
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 7: effects of that letter were at the time.

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00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: Well, let me just say that the show is friends,

1112
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: Okay it was at the time. For me, I thought

1113
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: it was kind of a toxic environment, yep, and this

1114
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 1: racist kind the ad calling James Hong was was the

1115
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: actor who was also on the episode with me, and

1116
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: he was calling him to the set and you know,

1117
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: essentially saying, you know, you know, where is the oriental guy?

1118
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: Get the oriental guy. So when I called Screen Actors

1119
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: Guild after that, it happened, and the person I spoke

1120
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: with recommended I write an article to the La Times.

1121
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: And I thought, oh, okay, that'd be a good idea.

1122
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: And I had just seen Jerry Maguire. I don't know

1123
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: if you remember that movie, but he writes a mission statement.

1124
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: My wife Kelly's in that movie, by way, And for

1125
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: some reason that just kind of like struck me, like

1126
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: that's kind of a yeah, why didn't I write a

1127
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: mission statement? To Hollywood because this is bigger than this show.

1128
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: This isn't the first time that this happened, you know,

1129
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: but this is the environment where this is business as

1130
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: usual in Hollywood in nineteen ninety seven, I guess it was,

1131
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: and nobody felt the need to correct this or say

1132
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: anything about it. So this is this is normal behavior.

1133
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: And so I started writing this mission statement and I

1134
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: sent it to the La Times. They sent a couple

1135
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: of reporters and they interviewed me, and then they never

1136
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: printed it. And so this was like the beginning of

1137
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: the Internet. And I had my email list, and I

1138
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: sent my mission statement out to who was on my

1139
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: email list, and I said, you know, if this move you,

1140
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, please pard it along. But I just explained

1141
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: I I was interviewed in there. They're not going to

1142
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: print this, so if you feel moved to send this

1143
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: a lot, please do. And then within a week I

1144
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: was like I was getting responses from all across the

1145
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: country from publication estept. We're asking permission to reprint it.

1146
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: And so this it was like this it went viral,

1147
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, before viral was even a word. And I

1148
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: went to San Francisco at some point that year to

1149
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: do a play, and I was like interviewed up there.

1150
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: I was on the cover of the Guardian, you know,

1151
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: wrapped the American flag. I was interviewed in the Examiner,

1152
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: and it all kind of culminated. I mean, I also

1153
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: spent about a year of being invited to different colleges

1154
01:00:54,760 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: to speak about this, and and then I was given

1155
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: this award by an Asian American Arts foundation up in

1156
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: San Francisco, and it was handed to me by Jesse Jackson.

1157
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of how this all played out.

1158
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: And then, you know, soon after it was like my

1159
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: son was born in two thousand and right before that,

1160
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: I decided to quit acting like I was. I was

1161
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: kind of I had become so race conscious and so

1162
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: angry that I like everything, I was looking at everything

1163
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: through the lens of race, and I felt like I

1164
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: couldn't there. I was just there's no freedom. I didn't

1165
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: feel any freedom. So I didn't have any idea what

1166
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: I was going to do. But I just decided to

1167
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: drop out and I told everybody I'm not acting anymore.

1168
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: And so about a year went by, I was just

1169
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: being a you know, stay at home dad. And maybe

1170
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: about a year later, somebody had asked me to all

1171
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: to it for something, and I said, okay, because I

1172
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: didn't know what. I wasn't doing anything. And then that

1173
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: was like a slow climb back into the business, and

1174
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: it was very, very gradual, and I think, you know,

1175
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of work anyway for Asian American actors,

1176
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: but it wasn't until a few years later. I remember

1177
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: I was listening to Bobby Lee's podcast and he was

1178
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: talking with Margaret Choe and Bobby Lee like he mentions

1179
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: my name and he said, oh, you know, he got blacklisted,

1180
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: and like I was blacklisted. I had no idea, you know,

1181
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: But but then I realized, like, oh, that is the

1182
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: common kind of like I think a lot of people

1183
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: thought that, especially in the Asian American community, I think

1184
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: believed that I was blacklisted. And I thought, oh wow.

1185
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: And I remember I texted Bobby said, you know, I

1186
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: wasn't blacklisted, but but who who would have known anyway,

1187
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, because I wasn't really working by anyway, with

1188
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of work. But yeah, it

1189
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: took me a while, I think, to to not only

1190
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: get back into the business, but to move beyond this

1191
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: this race consciousness that was that had overwhelmed me, and

1192
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: it was a lot of spiritual work. I've been on

1193
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: huge spiritual journeys. I've gone to Machu Picchu with Don

1194
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: Miguel Ruiz, who wrote the Four Agreements. You know. I've

1195
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: done meditation retreats. I've done ayahuasca. You know, I've done

1196
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: so many things. And I think over over the years,

1197
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: I began to understand the ego. I began to understand

1198
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: identify how how the ego works and how I like

1199
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: just just this identification with the body, for instance, is

1200
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: egoic and recognizing that the true self is the the

1201
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: presence that is always here and always now, and that

1202
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: the body comes and goes, and this my name, my race.

1203
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: Everything that you can, all the labels you can put

1204
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: on me, all came after what I call I like,

1205
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: they're not inherently this eternal eye that we all are right.

1206
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: And I think that's what I eventually arrived at. And

1207
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: so that freed me, that insight freedman.

1208
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 7: Wow, Wow, what an incredible journey.

1209
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: Amazing Well Put.

1210
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, very well, Put, And.

1211
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm serious about this, this this this moment. You know,

1212
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 2: you talk about this race consciousness that you sort of

1213
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: arrived at you were already like mid career. I mean,

1214
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 2: you had already been working. I mean, was part of

1215
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: this recognizing that, especially you know, auditioning for parts and

1216
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: reading scripts before that. I mean, there must have been

1217
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 2: so many times when you were asked to audition for

1218
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 2: what was essentially a stereotype or a role that yes,

1219
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: and were you turning those parts down or were you

1220
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 2: just hungry enough act Oh? Yeah, so you were you

1221
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: were already making choices.

1222
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I was turning stuff down all the time. Yeah.

1223
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was just kind of the norm at

1224
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: that time, right yeah. I mean now it's just a

1225
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: completely different scene now, yeah, I mean it's it's kind

1226
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: of amazing.

1227
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 8: I'm curious when you were growing up, you said you

1228
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 8: were the class clown, you were funny. Were there any

1229
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 8: Asian American entertainers that you looked up to when you

1230
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 8: were a kid.

1231
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: Not that I was like, oh, I want to be

1232
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: like that, but I remember like Johnny I don't know

1233
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: if you remember him, sure if he's from Korea, And uh,

1234
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: you know, I knew I was aware of actress like

1235
01:05:55,640 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: sent Teco, you know, Pat Marina. You know, I was

1236
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: friends with his daughter Ali, so George de Kay, like

1237
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: all of these different actors who are like a generation ahead.

1238
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: You know, I was aware of them. But I think

1239
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: at the beginning of my career, I was always like,

1240
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: I want to break new ground. I want to break

1241
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: new ground. I want to do something that hasn't been

1242
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 1: done before. Also, you know, like doing doing roles without

1243
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: an accent was a big deal. Like doing an accent

1244
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: or not doing any like that was always like an

1245
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: issue that was hard. That's why, you know, do the

1246
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: right thing. It was hard for me to be to

1247
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 1: have to do that. So it's just been a slow evolution,

1248
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, yeah, I've forgotten the question.

1249
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 8: I was asking about your your If there are any

1250
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 8: Asian American actors you you looked up to when you

1251
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 8: were Yeah.

1252
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: I mean I was aware of them. I wouldn't. Yeah,

1253
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: it's now like Bruce Lee, it was my you know,

1254
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: he was my guy. Yeah, you know, But and I

1255
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: was a martial artist. I was really into martial arts

1256
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: growing up. But I entered my career a knowing I

1257
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: didn't want to do martial arts, knowing I didn't want

1258
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: to just fall into that that you know, stereotypes. So

1259
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: I like actively kind of did not go in that direction.

1260
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 7: Well, I know, with all the talk we just had

1261
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 7: recently about the ego and all that, this may not

1262
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 7: you know land as well, but I do wonder. You know,

1263
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 7: you've worked with Stephen youun an incredible young actor who

1264
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 7: is getting opportunities that probably didn't even exist ten years ago, Right,

1265
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 7: So what does it feel like for you to see

1266
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 7: some of these changes having been a whistleblower well ahead

1267
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 7: of your time a long time ago, Like how does

1268
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 7: it feel now?

1269
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing, but I still feel like I'm still

1270
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: in it. I'm still pursuing jobs, I'm still wanting to

1271
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: get work. So it's great to see, like it kind

1272
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: of blows my mind. Like Stephen Ewen's success is so

1273
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: and he, you know, by his own admission, like he's

1274
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 1: one of these people who just is incredibly lucky, like

1275
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: just amazing luck that that has happened with him, And

1276
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: and I think, I think it's really really great. I

1277
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: do sometimes feel like, Wow, what's what's next for me?

1278
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: What's going to have to be? And I have no idea,

1279
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 1: I have no sense because I don't know what I

1280
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: don't know how to be this age because I'm just

1281
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: doing it for the first time. And and then it

1282
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: always goes back to all of the stuff I learned

1283
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: in my spiritual journey, you know, which it all points to. Well,

1284
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: everything is here right, nothing's missing. What's here, there's something

1285
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: from the bagaba gito. What's here now is everywhere. It's

1286
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: not here now is nowhere to be found. So the

1287
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: moment I feel like something's missing or I'm not getting

1288
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: what I want, it's my ego. My ego somehow has

1289
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: been hooked and I feel like something is unfair or

1290
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not getting what I want. It's some

1291
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: narrative that that has taken hold in my mind. And

1292
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: and so I now have the tools to recognize, oh my, my,

1293
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 1: my egos hooked, and and then just to come back

1294
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 1: to the present moment. So that's kind of what I do.

1295
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 7: Steven, thank you so much for joining us today and

1296
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 7: spending your valuable time with us.

1297
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 7: Like we said when you joined we we could not

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Speaker 7: stop breaving about you when your episode came up.

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Speaker 8: And I just have another seventy fargo questions is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just gonna poke you on the shoulder and

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Speaker 4: keep asking you, well you know.

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Speaker 1: By now, dude, this book. There's a book that was written.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, send me somewhere else, please send us.

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Speaker 2: Just go on the internet.

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Speaker 4: Will get your answers.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to Steve.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, I want.

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Speaker 1: To like Little White Lives on YouTube. Look it up.

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Speaker 1: There's a whole interview just about Cargo.

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Speaker 5: Okay, cool, Okay, you've sent Will on a mission. He

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Speaker 5: will definitely do that.

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Speaker 4: Thank your house later today with seven questions.

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Speaker 7: Now, we won't give him your information, I promise. Thank

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Speaker 7: you so much for joining us. It's really been a

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Speaker 7: pleasure to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's been great. I really was so scared.

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Speaker 1: I was telling Kelly how that was. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: what we were going to talk about.

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Speaker 5: I don't I hope it did. Was it was it scary?

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, no, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a joy.

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Speaker 5: Okay, thank you, great, Thank you so much. Great to

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Speaker 5: see you.

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Speaker 1: Then, bye bye bye.

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Speaker 7: Oh man, I'm so excited to see Mickey seventeen. By

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Speaker 7: the way, for our dear listeners who may not know,

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Speaker 7: it is the follow up to Parasite.

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Speaker 8: I just can't I can't get over the scope of

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Speaker 8: the directors that he's worked with now, the experiences that

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Speaker 8: he's had, good and bad in this industry just incredible. Again,

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Speaker 8: one of those people I could sit and just listen

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Speaker 8: to talk all day. Just please keep telling me stories.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, yeah, I feel exactly the same way.

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Speaker 8: But I also love that move.

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Speaker 2: The interview moved from you know, Hollywood stories, which I

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Speaker 2: obviously love, and I just want to sit and have

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Speaker 2: dinner conversation about that too, like really intense, spiritual, interesting

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Speaker 2: philosophical stuff that I'm like, I also want to hear.

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Speaker 8: So I just I'm still the whole James Hong thing

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Speaker 8: because I got so. I grew up a huge James

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Speaker 8: Hong fan and I've gotten to work with him three

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Speaker 8: times and he's the nicest human being you will ever

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Speaker 8: meet in your life. So hearing anybody say anything about

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Speaker 8: him made me viscerally angry. It was weird to hear

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Speaker 8: that he had a bad experience on the set, because

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Speaker 8: you could not meet a nicer human being than James

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Speaker 8: Hong and as hell, So like.

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Speaker 4: Hearing that was just I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Like that at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, it's pretty it's a it's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got he's got quite a story.

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Speaker 7: And I love how there's nothing about the way he

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Speaker 7: talks that give He's just everything he says is just like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 7: but this is what happened. It's just this is and

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Speaker 7: there's no like shame in sharing it. This is, this

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Speaker 7: is who said this and then this happened and then

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Speaker 7: got the call like I don't know, it's just he

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Speaker 7: seems like such a.

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Speaker 5: Just straightforward, honest but thoughtful.

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Speaker 2: Also he's so even keeled and yeah, and what's interesting

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Speaker 2: about that is that, you know, actors, comedic actors especially

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Speaker 2: are usually not right. You know, it's like it's hard.

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of the reason that people become

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Speaker 2: actors often is because they're very expressive, and they're very emotional,

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Speaker 2: and they're up and down, and so the result is

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Speaker 2: that often actors are kind of, you know erradical and hard.

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Speaker 4: You know, the harder it feels like a relaxed round.

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Speaker 2: And he is clearly a great actor. Listening to him

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Speaker 2: talk about how he thinks as an act like when

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Speaker 2: he was talking about his Fargo experience, and he so

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Speaker 2: invested in the emotion he made it personal for himself

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Speaker 2: like this, I mean, he's just a genius actor. But

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Speaker 2: then he can also be very even. Keel talk very

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Speaker 2: intelligently and sort of like, you know, basically about his

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Speaker 2: life and his experience and his thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 8: Well again, he talked about the internal struggle he put

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Speaker 8: himself into shoot one day, one scene, and he probably

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Speaker 8: beat himself up and got himself to such a state

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Speaker 8: for weeks, if not months beforehand to go in there,

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Speaker 8: to the point where he's sitting across from this one

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Speaker 8: of the most probably one of the most gifted actresses

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Speaker 8: in the history of Hollywood who says you've got to

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Speaker 8: turn the camera, turn around or he's so in it.

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Speaker 2: And I love It's creditative to that because that's totally

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Speaker 2: her styles to be like, oh well, let's be and

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Speaker 2: and of course she's like married to the director so

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Speaker 2: she can tell him. I mean apparently she's that way,

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Speaker 2: like she's just so you got to.

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Speaker 4: Be looking that way right now because look at what.

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Speaker 2: Just love it like every other story is like. And

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Speaker 2: then I was doing a play. I'm like, I am

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Speaker 2: still doing plays because you just are an accident at

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Speaker 2: like you said, Except for that one year when he

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Speaker 2: which also was super interesting, like that he reached this

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Speaker 2: point where he was like, I need to take a

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Speaker 2: step back because I'm getting too caught up in something

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Speaker 2: that is is hurting me. Oh, he's so fascinating an

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Speaker 2: interesting guy.

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