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Speaker 1: A new bi weekly show on the Fish Stripes podcast

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Speaker 1: starring Isaaca Zoot and Kevin Barra. Fish Stripes Unfiltered starts

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: This Stripe Unfiltered Episode four joined here with a very

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Speaker 2: smoking guest, Peter Pratt, and we have Elas System along

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Speaker 2: here with us as well. And we have Isaac Isaac,

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Speaker 2: how are you my guy? Episode four?

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Speaker 3: I can't believe.

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Speaker 4: You can't believe we're already here on episode four. Man,

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Speaker 4: it's been a tree doing this with you guys. And

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Speaker 4: we have a really special guest Peter.

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Speaker 2: My man, how are you? From Fish Across the Pond?

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Speaker 2: The podcast very great podcast suggests you all to watch it.

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Speaker 2: How are you, my guy?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing awesome. Thanks for having me on, guys. I

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Speaker 5: absolutely love this this new pot I've listened into every episode,

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Speaker 5: been loving it. I've got one one first question just

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Speaker 5: to kick things off you though, Kevin, can we can

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Speaker 5: we have a surname pronunciation the correct way? I've heard

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Speaker 5: Eli's version of the surname? How do we pronounce? For all?

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Speaker 2: Barral? You have to roll the R.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're physically able to roll the R, which

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Speaker 1: I cannot do, but I try my best.

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Speaker 2: To be there.

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Speaker 5: I'll love it now outside the way, We're gonna have

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Speaker 5: a great show, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to write along with this, of course, as

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Speaker 1: I'm always behind the scenes for these unfiltered episodes. But

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Speaker 1: we got Kevin. He's he's at like, what eighty percent

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Speaker 1: vocal strength after coming off a band performance. So I'm

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Speaker 1: hanging in here just in case the needs any assistance here,

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Speaker 1: and I'm monitoring some breaking news. We're gonna have some

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Speaker 1: breaking news on this pod too. We'll get to the

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Speaker 1: topics you already had planned out, and then I'm just

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Speaker 1: falling along with our man Craig Mish as usual, as

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Speaker 1: he's finally getting to some of these coaching changes that

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Speaker 1: we were expecting with the organization and they're just breaking now.

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Speaker 1: But Kevin, let's start off with whatever you had in

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Speaker 1: mind first, and I'm sure we'll work this stuff into

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Speaker 2: Peter Man, twenty twenty one season Miami Marlins. I don't

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Speaker 2: think we want to talk about it anymore, but what

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Speaker 2: are your thoughts on that season? Full perspective on that,

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Speaker 2: you know, up the downs, and then we'll get into

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Speaker 5: Maybe we'll have a two minute rundown. Should we You

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Speaker 5: know that feels about right? You know, if you enjoy,

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Speaker 5: if you enjoy pain, this was the team for you,

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Speaker 5: This Marlins team. There was so much pain. It was

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Speaker 5: a long season, a long, long season, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 5: But there were moments I enjoyed. And there was a

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Speaker 5: lot of downs though. But from the first series, for me,

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Speaker 5: I knew, I knew the run was on the wall.

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Speaker 5: I could sell. I could tell we were in trouble

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Speaker 5: early doors, and yeah, it was disappointing. I had them

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Speaker 5: eighty eight wins. Eighty eight wins I went for. So

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Speaker 5: I was bullish. I was probably the most bullish, and honestly,

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Speaker 5: wins was achievable for this team. I'm not talking about

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Speaker 5: twenty two. It is the biggest offseason since I followed

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Speaker 5: the team and probably for many people. It's the biggest offseason.

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Speaker 5: It is just ginormous, So I am hyped. There's going

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Speaker 5: to be a lot of conversation about this offseason. No

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Speaker 5: doubt We're probably going to be underwhelmed, is my gut

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Speaker 2: Yeah, trust me. I had the moralins in second place

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Speaker 2: I think expectations were high for everyone and Eli. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I would hope that there was some more

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Speaker 1: There were certain things that I harped on throughout last offseason.

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Speaker 4: I think Peter mentioned it well just right out of

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Speaker 3: So I think that was one of the bigger mistakes.

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Speaker 4: But I'm with Peter that if Marte, like Marte led

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Speaker 4: It really is unfortunate that things happened the way it did,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And going into the off season, Peter, I mean,

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Speaker 5: Just you know, let's start there. Free agents. I'm not

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Speaker 5: So what does that mean? It's gonna be trades, It's

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Speaker 5: There's no way. It does not fit the Marlins profile.

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Speaker 5: Sign up Sandy, sign up Meggie, get them locked in,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you lie pretty much pretty much the same question

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Speaker 2: I asked Peter. I mean, what are you expectations heading

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Speaker 1: totally confident in moving forward. You know, of course that

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Speaker 1: I think almost everything else is just is fluid. If

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Speaker 1: That's why the universe of players that they could pursue

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Speaker 3: So they're gonna have a lot of work to do

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Speaker 1: And yeah, let me press this so that people can listen.

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Speaker 6: We're talking where where we're I'm happy. I'm happy that

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Speaker 2: Winning, winning franchise.

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Speaker 6: So I've been here for the for the up and downs,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Peter, what are your thoughts on miggi Row the captain,

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Speaker 5: I've been trigued to see the way they go with

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Speaker 4: But yeah, look, there are twenty short stops in Major

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Speaker 2: after Sandy, because it just makes sense. These guys have

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Speaker 2: done their due diligence with this team. They've been to

435
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Speaker 2: the bottoms, they've been to the good Meggie said it

436
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Speaker 2: on the Rose rotation. I mean, you got to lock

437
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Speaker 2: up the guy. He deserves it. He's the captain. He's

438
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Speaker 2: been with the team for eight years almost now. So

439
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Speaker 2: just lock up the guy. It makes all the sense.

440
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Speaker 2: And speaking of Megi, I was gonna put this towards

441
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Speaker 2: the bottom of the power, but I think it makes

442
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Speaker 2: sense to put it now. And you have the clip

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Speaker 2: for this Eli he talked about Miami spending money. I

444
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Speaker 2: don't know if you have that clip, if you could

445
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Speaker 2: play for us there quickly.

446
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Speaker 6: Everybody needs to get better on their owns for this

447
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Speaker 6: team to get better, and I know they already said that.

448
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Speaker 6: I mean they're going all in, They're gonna they're gonna spend,

449
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Speaker 6: They're gonna trying to bring the best three agents that

450
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Speaker 6: they can bring to make this team better. So that's

451
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Speaker 6: something that is always excited to listen to watch and

452
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Speaker 6: I mean, at the end of the day, all we

453
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Speaker 6: need is uh.

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Speaker 3: Is being on the same boat to be to be contenders.

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Speaker 1: I think that's one reason why he still feels really

456
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Speaker 1: confident about this organization, because they're pretty transparent about their

457
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Speaker 1: plans and they told him how probably unsatisfied they were

458
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Speaker 1: with how this season went, and understand that they are

459
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Speaker 1: ready to spend to some degree. Again, that's the big

460
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Speaker 1: question about I mean, it's obvious that they will carry

461
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Speaker 1: a larger payroll in twenty twenty two than they did

462
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, but there's a big difference between

463
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Speaker 1: spending more and also spending competitively with other teams in

464
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Speaker 1: their division, especially in this division. They have just extraordinary

465
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Speaker 1: resources on almost all these other teams in the division,

466
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Speaker 1: and the Marlins historically have not played in that same

467
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Speaker 1: ballpark as those guys. They have to do it a

468
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Speaker 1: little bit smarter in order to keep pace with them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm going to start here with Peter, I mean,

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Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on what maybe said there? With

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Speaker 2: he assumes that the Marlins are going to go all

472
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Speaker 2: in and you know, spend that cassion that they have.

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Speaker 5: I guess the question is is how how big is

474
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Speaker 5: how big is that bag of cash? And I'm not

475
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Speaker 5: sure we're talking a two hundred million, you know, roster.

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Speaker 5: Let's say that. The one thing, just to kind of

477
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Speaker 5: go back to recent deals and guys recently in the

478
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Speaker 5: last like, let's say year and a half, two years,

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Speaker 5: I think the Marlins have been really good at you know,

480
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Speaker 5: from free agents and guys they've picked up. They've been good.

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Speaker 5: They've hit on a lot of guys like Duval, they

482
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Speaker 5: hit on him, Marte they traded for. He then went

483
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Speaker 5: on to have a career year like the Marlins. Actually,

484
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Speaker 5: their their eye is good at the moment, so that

485
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Speaker 5: is really encouraging the way they're kind of, you know,

486
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Speaker 5: working in this a tier below right, and they're kind

487
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Speaker 5: of but they are hitting on guys and then okay,

488
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Speaker 5: maybe what they did at the deadline with Duval was

489
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Speaker 5: below par. I think that's fair. I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 5: That was a botch in some sort of way, but

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Speaker 5: I still think that Marte return was was good after

492
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Speaker 5: the kind of contract stuff ended and you know whatever,

493
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Speaker 5: but what are they going to do this offseason? What

494
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Speaker 5: I think about Miggie's words, Listen, Miggie wants to win,

495
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Speaker 5: and he's been there. The pitching's ready, he's calling it

496
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Speaker 5: out and it is the pitch at the starting pitching

497
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Speaker 5: is is there in depth? I look at thinking about

498
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Speaker 5: Migi and his role, you know, him becoming effectively a

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Speaker 5: John Birdie for next year, and then you layer in

500
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Speaker 5: someone else knew like that's what needs to happen. The

501
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Speaker 5: Marlins need to add loads more depth in here, and

502
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Speaker 5: you know, you then look at it and go, right, Okay,

503
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Speaker 5: Miggi row is now the John Birdie role. Okay, that's

504
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Speaker 5: an upgrade. Okay, cool, who's playing short stop? Don't know,

505
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Speaker 5: let's see who that is. And they just need offensive production.

506
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Speaker 5: The problem I've got is we had Marte at center field,

507
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Speaker 5: Duvall in right field, Dickerson left, but either way, those

508
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Speaker 5: two dudes were there for half a year and we're

509
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Speaker 5: going to struggle to find that production from last year,

510
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Speaker 5: like two of the most productive guys in the entire NLB,

511
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Speaker 5: and we still absolutely shit the bed. So that's the

512
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Speaker 5: concerning part is to get to that level of production,

513
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Speaker 5: we're gonna have to really hit on some guys, and

514
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure you know those guys actually had career

515
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Speaker 5: years in many ways, so it's really tough. Like this

516
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Speaker 5: is the real worry for me that who are going

517
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Speaker 5: to get and are they even going to get to

518
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Speaker 5: that level? I don't know. It's as Eli said, I

519
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Speaker 5: think the really interesting part is just the amount of

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Speaker 5: directions they can go like that. The opportunities are limitless.

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Speaker 5: They truly are, because they've got so many arms that

522
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Speaker 5: everyone will cover it and they'll be creative. I think

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Speaker 5: Eli's really hit on that that that's that's gonna be

524
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Speaker 5: the way they go off season spending. I'm just not convinced.

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Speaker 5: I just can't see it. I can see a few

526
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Speaker 5: more duvals, you know, two year deals, that type of thing.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I'd be shocked if they win anything

528
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Speaker 5: like crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you talk about players that they've hit on,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Brad Barksenburg is a guy you also have

531
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Speaker 2: brainon Kinseler who they it on, you know, just that

532
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty pandemic season, and I know Isaac was talking

533
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Speaker 2: their vieweds, So I mean, anything you have to out.

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Speaker 4: There with what Peter said that a few more Duval

535
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Speaker 4: type signings.

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Speaker 3: I think Adam Duval would be great to come back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I liked Brother With Christina Denicola, she was like, no,

538
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Speaker 4: I don't want him back, but I think he makes

539
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Speaker 4: all the sense in the world to come back, play

540
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Speaker 4: good defense in the outfield, and if he's your free

541
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Speaker 4: agent signing.

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Speaker 3: You know he's gonna give you at least thirty home runs.

543
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Speaker 4: Then you go make a trade for that star outfielder

544
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Speaker 4: quote unquote, you make a trade for a catcher, because,

545
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Speaker 4: like I agree with you, man, they're not going to

546
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Speaker 4: spend more than more than that was forty million.

547
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Speaker 3: I think they have forty million.

548
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Speaker 4: They're gonna spend on Sandy something like that, and the

549
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Speaker 4: forty million that they saved for Marte use that towards

550
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Speaker 4: maybe Duval and a relief pitcher, and then from there

551
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Speaker 4: on it's gonna be all trade.

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Speaker 3: So I really like Duval to come back.

553
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Speaker 4: I think he's a really really valued guy in the clubhouse,

554
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Speaker 4: and he's a really value guy on the field as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Eli, at the start of the podcast had

556
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Speaker 2: you know, pretty much told us that there's some breaking

557
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Speaker 2: news and I'm gonna take let Eli take over this

558
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Speaker 2: part of the podcast, but you know.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead from our buddy Craig Mish, we were anticipating this.

560
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Speaker 1: I've mentioned before that October there's not much player movement

561
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Speaker 1: in October, but we see coaching carousel move round in

562
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Speaker 1: round and rounds. And so finally Craig Miss reporting that

563
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Speaker 1: Trey Hillman the Marlins third base coach and their infield instructor.

564
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Speaker 1: He does both duties, so we'll get into that he's

565
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Speaker 1: leaving the organization to pursue other opportunities. And along that

566
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Speaker 1: same vein assistant hitting coach Robert Rodriguez doing the same

567
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Speaker 1: pursuing other opportunities. So those are the first two dominoes

568
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Speaker 1: to fall on the coaching staff. I wonder that's a

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Speaker 1: complete list. I mean, Miss says that he'll need to

570
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Speaker 1: wait until next week to confirm who's actually coming back,

571
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Speaker 1: So it is possible that there are a couple others

572
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Speaker 1: still in limbo in terms of trying to renew their contracts. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: I mean with Hillman, it's important to note that he

574
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Speaker 1: had those dual responsibilities at third base and as the

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Speaker 1: infield coach. There are a few moments where that job

576
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Speaker 1: becomes under the microscope when you send somebody and you

577
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: shouldn't have sent him to score, and vice versa. But

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Speaker 1: generally speaking, I think his bigger impact was as an

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Speaker 1: infield coach, and I guess, Peter, I'd be interested in

580
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Speaker 1: hearing what you thought about that, because it was complicated

581
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Speaker 1: at times. This year. I felt they did a really

582
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Speaker 1: good job at positioning guys in the right spot to

583
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Speaker 1: make plays on the infield. At the same time, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the most frustrating thing about this team perhaps was defensively

585
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Speaker 1: how many routine errors they made, Jazz being kind of

586
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Speaker 1: the main culprit of that. But also, you know, it's

587
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Speaker 1: varying extents, a lot of those guys around the infield

588
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Speaker 1: making a lot of routine errors. So ultimately I think

589
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Speaker 1: a lot of the responsibility falls to the players. But

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Speaker 1: this is the type of change you see when one

591
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Speaker 1: particular part of your team is underperforming, you try to

592
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Speaker 1: get a new voice in there. I guess I.

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Speaker 5: Think it makes sense. I think what immediate When I

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Speaker 5: think of the infield in twenty twenty one, I just

595
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Speaker 5: look at Jazz and just that I that's what I remember.

596
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 5: That's what I remember that there were just too many errors.

597
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 5: There's some there's a lot of splashy plays from Jazz.

598
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Speaker 5: Like the talents there clearly but a lot of errors

599
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Speaker 5: from him, and it's kind of concerning with him, I think,

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Speaker 5: just I'm not convinced. I just don't quite see the

601
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Speaker 5: shortstop in him in the future, like when I look

602
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 5: at Miggi right now and what Meggie does at shortstop

603
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Speaker 5: like for me there night and day, like the arm

604
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Speaker 5: in particular, like Miggi's arm is just sensational, And yeah,

605
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Speaker 5: I'm not shocked. I mean, listen, the Marlins weren't. Base

606
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 5: running was an absolute was a major problem right the

607
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: whole base running the whole picked off at first and

608
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Speaker 5: wherever was just was just a shambles. So base running

609
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Speaker 5: was a problem. A lot of infield errors. However, what

610
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Speaker 5: would say on the infield side Brian Anderson is an

611
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Speaker 5: elite third basement and has become an elite third basement

612
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Speaker 5: in his time with the Marlins. Miggi for me stood

613
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Speaker 5: absolute stud third basement of stud arm. I mean that

614
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Speaker 5: Braxton Garrett clip will live long in the memory. That

615
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 5: play last year was since I've never seen anything like it.

616
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 5: Bounced off the third base, Brian Anderson snagged it, zing

617
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 5: did into first base. Bracts just going what the hell

618
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Speaker 5: has happened? Stags for that, BA, But listen, BA has

619
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Speaker 5: kicked on, Miggie's kicked on. I'm concerned about Jazz. Aguilar

620
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Speaker 5: is a stunning first base. In my opinion, Layman's even

621
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Speaker 5: better than him. So there's tons of talent around there.

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Speaker 5: Jazz is the one for me. Base running is a problem,

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Speaker 5: and I'm not surprised to see hitting coaches starting to

624
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Speaker 5: go as well. I mean, listen, to hitting side was

625
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Speaker 5: an absolute disaster.

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Speaker 2: You know.

627
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Speaker 5: I think there'll be more, to be honest, on the

628
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Speaker 5: hitting side that will come in the next week or

629
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Speaker 5: two whatever. Craig kind of puts the timeline on. But listen,

630
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Speaker 5: it's a bad team. It was a bad team. And

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Speaker 5: I think Craig talks about his own pods that changes

632
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Speaker 5: have to be made. You can't just roll out the

633
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Speaker 5: same dudes and expect the same, you know, different results.

634
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Speaker 5: You know, people have got to go. Donnie's back, so

635
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Speaker 5: others are gonna have to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I mean, I think we talked about

637
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Speaker 2: this on the first episode of fish Strip's Live in

638
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Speaker 2: the offseason. Is this something this is something that we expected?

639
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Speaker 4: What do you say, well, I mean, if you say

640
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Speaker 4: I just don't, don't I didn't expect the shitty fielding

641
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: from Jazz as much. I think he came up as

642
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: a really good defensive shortstop who was going to, like,

643
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Speaker 4: you know, possibly win gold gloves.

644
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Speaker 3: I didn't see that coming.

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Speaker 4: I thought he was a hell of a second basement

646
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Speaker 4: what he showed in spring training, because I was there

647
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Speaker 4: for most of the games and he was fantastic. Now

648
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Speaker 4: with the firings, of course, I mean, you don't lose

649
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: ninety seven. However, many games they lost and rolled back

650
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: out fifty percent of the coaching staff. I think the

651
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: manager coming back, Okay, Don Manley is.

652
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: Gonna be great.

653
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if James Rouson is gonna come back.

654
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: I think he's really highly regarded all over the place,

655
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: so I'm sure he's gonna have managerial opportunities possibly. And

656
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: he really was like the hitting coordinator, the offensive coordinator

657
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 4: in the on the baseball team. So I don't know

658
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 4: if he'll be back, but yeah, you can't be surprised

659
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: when a lot of the coaching staff's gonna go, and

660
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: there should be a lot of turnover with the player

661
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 4: roster as well.

662
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm just seeing that shit based running

663
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: in this past season I mean it made sense to

664
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: get rid of Tree Hill, and Jazz was not good defensively,

665
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: especially when Miggy was out and he had to take

666
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: over shortstop, which was his main position. You know when

667
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: he first came up in the miners at the time,

668
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: he just wasn't good. I prefer a lot more at

669
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: second base. That's where he's been playing a lot better.

670
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: Even though he has his struggles, he means very nice

671
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: plays that went in New York where he covered a

672
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: lot of ground to go grab that pop fly. I mean,

673
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: there are many more we could talk about, but yeah,

674
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: this is something I think we expected it to happen.

675
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: And Isaac, I'm gonna let you take over here for

676
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: the fault development camp which you went to. I'm pretty

677
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: sure yesterday was or two days ago.

678
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the you know, media is allowed to go

679
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: once a week and it's it's an interesting dynamic. They

680
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: only invited offensive players. I think part of that was

681
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: due to COVID. They didn't want to have so many

682
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 4: people at Lon Deepo Park, so there's no pitchers, which

683
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 4: made me curious as to like, you know, where are

684
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 4: the guys like Max Meyer and Dax Fulton and all these.

685
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: Pitchers, like where are they? What are they doing?

686
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: But some names that stood out to me. One of them,

687
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: my favorite guy is Cody Morrison. He came in the

688
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 4: draft this year. He's a guy that just has a

689
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 4: spectacular swing. He showed a little bit of pop. He

690
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 4: didn't show that much in his first, you know, thirty

691
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: three professional games, but he looked really good. Griffin co nine,

692
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: I don't know many when you strike out against a

693
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 4: pitching machine when it's only throwing fastballs, that's that's a

694
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: bit of.

695
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: A red flag in my opinion. But the guy is Superman. Looky,

696
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 3: he is jacked.

697
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 4: He looks like he can bench three hundred and fifty pounds,

698
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: So he's got the looks, he's got the body. But

699
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 4: let's se if he can hit. And some other names.

700
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 4: Jose Salas Man, that kid is. He's going to be

701
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 4: a stud.

702
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 3: I could.

703
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 4: If I had to pick one guy to be untouchable

704
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 4: in the Marlins farm system, it'd be Jose Salas. That

705
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 4: kid is young, he's mature. I had a media session

706
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: with him last week. He know he has his head

707
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 4: on right and he hits the ball with power. The

708
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 4: ball just sounds different off his bat and he's still

709
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: so young, so much told grow into. So he's definitely

710
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 4: a name to look into to, you know, keep an

711
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 4: eye on, for sure. And yeah, then the lot when

712
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: I was there two days ago, it was off speed pitches,

713
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: so there's a few more strikeouts, but it was overall

714
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 4: really a really good camp and I think it ended today,

715
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 4: so we'll hopefully we'll be we'll be back for I

716
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 4: think Thanksgiving there'll be some sort of turkey driver or something.

717
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: Peter, I mean, if you want to jump in on this,

718
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he talked about Solace. What are your thoughts

719
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: on him? Man, He's been one of the bigger names

720
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: we've been speaking of in a Brian Reynolds treat because

721
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: of how much young prospects picked, especially with he's untouched.

722
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 5: He's untouchedable.

723
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: Isaac. Just a couple of weeks ago, we were talking

724
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: about it and he said, whoa, we'd have to include

725
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 2: solids now, you know, after I don't know my stuff.

726
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: He's saying he's untouchable.

727
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying I would. I'm saying you would

728
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: have to, but I wouldn't.

729
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: But like one of us would, to be honest, but

730
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: you have to. Yeah, Peter, I mean, if you want

731
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: to jump in on this one.

732
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 5: It's fair to say that I'm definitely not the best

733
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 5: person to give opinion on low level, minor league dudes,

734
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 5: for sure. It's definitely not my expertise. But what I've

735
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 5: heard and what i've kind of you know, read on

736
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 5: on the guys I follow, like Isaac that there's a

737
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 5: lot of love for Salas and belief that he he

738
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 5: has the potential to be the star in that of

739
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 5: all the system there perhaps so this, you know, I

740
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 5: think when we're looking for offensive dudes, if we're going

741
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 5: to trade away some depth there, there seems to be

742
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 5: a ton of outfielders. There's a ton of outfield depth

743
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 5: knocking around too. Obviously, we you know, heyesus is obviously

744
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 5: made up to the bigs. De la Cruz is up

745
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 5: there now. So you know, like a you know, a connine,

746
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 5: a verdict, you know, whatever, you start to think, you know,

747
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 5: and can I see on maybe you know, these are

748
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 5: the types of dudes that maybe you you kind of

749
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 5: look to include into trades maybe, but it's so hard.

750
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 5: It's so hard because listen, there's so many sharp teams

751
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 5: around now, right, they'll know it, they'll know Salas has

752
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 5: a stud. You know, they they watch this, they watch

753
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 5: these streams, they listen to the pod. You know, they'll know,

754
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 5: they'll know he's a stud. So yeah, what's you know,

755
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 5: it's great to see what Isaac said. That just absolutely

756
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 5: killed me though on you know, on Conine getting struck

757
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 5: out by the machine, that is I mean, he's got

758
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 5: k issues and like you said, it's a red flag

759
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 5: for me. You know, a few red flags I'll say

760
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 5: if I'm on Twitter of you know, Coline getting struck

761
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 5: out by the machine. That is not good on just fastball.

762
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 5: So you know, but listen, it's good. It's good to

763
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 5: see from a Marlin's perspective. I think there's tons of

764
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,919
Speaker 5: dudes there. Going back to I think what Eli said.

765
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 5: Though for me, we really we don't have a crown

766
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 5: duel right now. In my opinion, I think that is

767
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 5: probably fair. There is no real crown duel that other

768
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 5: teams will cover it, we'll cover That becomes like a

769
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 5: difference deal maker in a big, big time trade. I

770
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 5: think that is probably the problem we face on hitting

771
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 5: side particularly.

772
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the two guys in the system that I think

773
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: could be there at this time next year would be

774
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: Khalil Watson, who was at this camp as well. In

775
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: my opinion, i'd probably what's in the slight edge in

776
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: terms of the best player that was at this fall

777
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: development camp. And also you're Perez, the shumongous right handed pitcher.

778
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: So both those guys are still eighteen years old and

779
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: they don't have a whole lot of minor league experience yet,

780
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: I mean, especially Khalil Watson at this time next year,

781
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: if they get a little they grow into their bodies

782
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: a little more and they continue to perform against much

783
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: older competition, show like well rounded skill sets that both

784
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: of them are you seem to have right now, but

785
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: still need more evidence to prove it. Then you're talking

786
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: about guys that would be elite prospects, and then you

787
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: make an interesting decision about, Wow, are these guys actually

788
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: close to being major league ready as like nineteen year olds,

789
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: or are they the ones you put in one of

790
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: these kind of deals to get immediate help. The problem is,

791
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: of course, that we know that there's urgency to make

792
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: some moves this offseason, and that's why they're in a

793
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: very nebulous space. I don't feel they're totally untouchable, but

794
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: really for nothing less than like the true premium players

795
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: that we already talked about earlier in the pod, which

796
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: so in my mind, I would expect them to kind

797
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: of be off limits in this offseason just because they

798
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: do have that potential to take another step forward once

799
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: to get to the twenty twenty two Minor League season.

800
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: Just going back to what Isaac mentioned about, you know,

801
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: the uncertainty about how the Marlins are handling their young

802
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: pictures right now, It just seems most of them are

803
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: kind of on the couch or not, maybe not on

804
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: the catch. Hopefully they're doing something more fulfilling. Hopefully they're

805
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: traveling the world, living it up, having fun. But they're

806
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: not throwing. They're not using their throwing arms, and that

807
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: seems to be an intentional choice. Historically, this is the

808
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: time of year where you have what's called instructs, you

809
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: have an instructional camp with both hitters and position players,

810
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: and what seems to Marlin said is they just cut

811
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: it in half. They did this development camp is sort

812
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: of what you'd normally be doing this time of year

813
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: at an instructional camp, except they did it without having

814
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: any pictures there. So I'll be curious to get some

815
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: answers on that, whether it's from Kimany or from her

816
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: lieutenants right below. We're trying to just explain the thought

817
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: process behind it, because I don't think any of us

818
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: are totally sure about what they're doing there, other than

819
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: the fact that they must feel really confident in these

820
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: pictures and they don't want to screw it up. So

821
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: if those guys aren't throwing, if they don't have an

822
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to get hurt, then their stock can't go down.

823
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: Presumably that might be part of the thinking is just

824
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: being very cautious about those guys.

825
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought it was really peculiar that they didn't,

826
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 4: you know, I didn't have to be Max Meyer, but

827
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 4: they could have found any guys that just simply throw,

828
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 4: just to face them live, you know, live pitching. Because

829
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: the thing with the pitching machine, I face pitching machines.

830
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: You get the timing right, you're seeing the coach put

831
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 4: the ball in the and you don't know when you

832
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 4: know you need to face a pitcher, and especially in

833
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 4: the first two weeks, was fastballs only. Maybe that's why

834
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: the team can't develop hitters, because they're facing fascals only

835
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 4: from a machine as professionals, I don't see what you know,

836
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 4: what good can come out of that. And then the thing

837
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 4: you guys mentioned was a great point that they just

838
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 4: lack that jewel prospect like the Nationals had Sodo, the

839
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 4: Braves had a Kunya, the Nationals also had Robbless and

840
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 4: the Robblists sort of didn't really pan out as well.

841
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 4: And Mariners have kell Nick guys like that. The Marlins

842
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: don't have a top ten major league prospers like that. So,

843
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 4: like you said, I think Mury I can't believe he's

844
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: still eighteen. Man that success he's had at low, a

845
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 4: high a little bit, I cannot believe he's still eighteen.

846
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: I thought he was nineteen twenty. Khalil Watson, Jose Salaz,

847
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 3: You're right.

848
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: Those guys if they perform even have as well as

849
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 4: they did this year in twenty twenty two, I think

850
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: they catapult into top fifty consideration in the MLB pipeline list.

851
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 5: I think the most the most like shocking thing though,

852
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 5: for me, is just JJ blood Ay, like from where

853
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 5: he was in spring training. If we think back to

854
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 5: spring and JJ was lighting up spring, I was thinking

855
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 5: we're going to see Blooday at the major league level

856
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 5: this year, the way spring was going, and it's just

857
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 5: completely fallen off of him. And I'm not close enough

858
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 5: to see it and understand, but that for me is

859
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 5: the real head scratcher and is a real red flag

860
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 5: again from an organizational perspective, that it seems to have

861
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 5: really gone backwards fast with him, so bigger for Hitim

862
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 5: in twenty two as well.

863
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: Yeah no, and I'm with you on there. Bla day,

864
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 4: I was shocked and then also I'm like, I'm a

865
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: little down on him for sure. I think he's maybe

866
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 4: the tenth best prospect in the organization. But it gives

867
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: me some hope is that in his first two years

868
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 4: at Vanderbilt, he didn't have much of the power. So

869
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 4: what I'm thinking is he was always like a pure hitter,

870
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 4: which is why he was playing as a professional of

871
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 4: the softwering. He was a hitter guy first, and then

872
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 4: the power all of a sudden came in his junior

873
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 4: year and that's when he led the you know, NCAA

874
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 4: with home runs. So maybe just got in his head

875
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 4: right now saying okay, I'm this guy that hits home runs. Now,

876
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: he just stepped away from just that hitter first profile

877
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: a little bit in his professional season so far.

878
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: Maybe that's something to do with it.

879
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: I don't know, but he's doing a lot of different

880
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 4: batting stats, a lot of different swings, it looks like.

881
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: So there's gonna be a huge twenty twenty two season

882
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: for JJ.

883
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. And when it comes to Bladay, you know, not

884
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: even just La Day but Tom Scott, because have been disappointing,

885
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: mainly more of Bla Day. But you start to give

886
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: up on these guys. And I'm not saying I'm giving

887
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: up on Bladdy and not even close. No one should

888
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: be giving up on Bladdy. But Connor Scott. I mean,

889
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: let's talk. He was at the camp I'm pretty sure,

890
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: or he's at AFL, but he's been got was just

891
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: who's been disappointing. I mean, you would expect the guy

892
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: who already was drafted in twenty eighteen, he would be

893
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: at least in Double A or moving on to Triple A.

894
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 2: But the guy's in Deloit most likely going to Double

895
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: A next year. But what are your thoughts on a

896
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 2: guy like Connor Scott? I mean, I'm someone who's almost

897
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 2: given up on him. I'm gonna give him a little

898
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: bit more time. But it's getting to the point where

899
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 2: if he's the guy who factors in the trade let's say,

900
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: you know, Chicago for Wilson Controls, if he's the guy

901
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 2: you have to throw it. I would throw him in

902
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: and then getting Wilson Control. So I'm not one year

903
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: deal if it's a rental or not, or even in

904
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: the Brian Reynolds trade, if you have to throw him

905
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: in there. Now, I want to start here with Isaac

906
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: because I know you've been in that development camp.

907
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 4: And I think both those teams are smart enough to

908
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: not you know, have Connor Scott as the no. Yeah,

909
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 4: I'm just saying no, no, yeah, of course, but honestly

910
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 4: for Wilson Controls trade maybe.

911
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: But you know, I've been disappointed with Connor Scott.

912
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 4: I followed him a little bit when he was at

913
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 4: Plants High School in Tampa, and I was very surprised

914
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 4: when the Marlins chose him with Tristan Cossa still on

915
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 4: the board.

916
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: That just bothers me.

917
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: Now, that was just straight Gary Denvos from what I've

918
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 4: from my understandings.

919
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: But yeah, the swing did clean up a little bit.

920
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 4: There is still a lot going on with that hitch

921
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 4: in that left handed swing a lot going on, there's

922
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 4: still the power, it's mediocre at best.

923
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: He didn't hit one out.

924
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 4: I don't think he reached the warning truck in the

925
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 4: games that I saw on play.

926
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 3: He played in all three simulated games that I saw.

927
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 4: But yeah, he's someone that you have to start, you know,

928
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 4: looking at the clock and saying, Okay, this is twenty

929
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 4: twenty two. You're drafted in twenty eighteen. You should at

930
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: least be in the high levels of the minors now,

931
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 4: but he's not. So it's definitely a It's worrisome for sure.

932
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Peter, I mean we look at Connor Scott pretty disappointing,

933
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: I would say.

934
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 5: I think that's a fair assessment. I mean, first round

935
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 5: pick right from twenty eighteen, so with three years on

936
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 5: and the you know again, the progression just hasn't been there.

937
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 5: So listen at any first round pick the really underwhelms.

938
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 5: It's never going to be a great look. So you know,

939
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 5: you gotta hit these guys. I was thinking about the

940
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 5: Braves the other day, kind of looking at their success

941
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 5: and where they are now, and listen, they just hit

942
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,439
Speaker 5: on the core. You've got to hit on the core

943
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 5: you have to. And then the Braves payroll is I

944
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 5: don't know, one hundred and twenty million, and they've got

945
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 5: a couple of real nice team friendly deals of course,

946
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 5: but they're not at that kind of Phillies level, you know,

947
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 5: the kind of right against the luxury tax kind of threshold.

948
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 5: The Braves are actually probably the next to the Marlins,

949
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 5: probably the next spenders on in the NL East anyway,

950
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 5: so in terms of the lowest So for me, the Marlins,

951
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 5: they have to hit on these dudes. You have to

952
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 5: has to become good. He has to make it, and

953
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 5: these guys have to if the Marlins are really truly

954
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 5: going to be competitive for a long time. And it's

955
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 5: concerning that these these first round picks, the hitters just

956
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 5: don't seem to be on the right path right now.

957
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 5: And I don't know what the reason is. Again, I'm

958
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 5: not the best person to give kind of any opinion

959
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 5: on that, but you know, it's concerning. I think is

960
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 5: is kind of I think probably what we're all feeling

961
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 5: with this one, with the with the offensive dudes.

962
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean, what are your thoughts on

963
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: Connor Scott? I know, at least I'm almost given up

964
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: on him. But we know, you know, our good buddy

965
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 2: Alex Carver never give gives up on these guys until

966
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: they are at the east On Diaz level of the

967
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: major leagues. But your thoughts on Scott.

968
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, this is your show, and I guess

969
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: you decided to bully Connor Scott for some reason.

970
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: I don't know why.

971
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think he's like emblematic of everything

972
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: that's going wrong with this organization. I bundle him with

973
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: the rest of the top of that draft class in

974
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, remember where they are. They just traded away

975
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: most of their old coreter and very intentionally they used

976
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: each of those top four picks in the draft on

977
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: guys I thought could be impact hitters up the middle

978
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: of the field. It was Connor Scott, then right after him,

979
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: it was Cyrus Johnson, then it was Will Banfield, and

980
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: then it was Tristan POMPEII. And our group chat was

981
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: popping up a little bit about Tristan Pompey, who led

982
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: a very distasteful comment on Instagram about sarcastically pointing out

983
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: that it would be nice to be part of a

984
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: winning organization, when in fact he probably more so than

985
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: anybody else at the top of that draft. He's the

986
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: guy at has been a total bust. They thought Tristian Pompei,

987
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: he was the first college guy of that group that

988
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: after three years, if you're coming out of college in

989
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: a big program and you're productive in your first year

990
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: in the minors, every expectation is that he would be

991
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: a factor in their outfield right now. He was supposed

992
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: to be like Brian Delacruz. He's supposed to be that

993
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: kind of role player or like plugged into that scenario,

994
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: and he wasn't even a consideration because ever since twenty nineteen,

995
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: he's done absolutely nothing on the field to grow into himself.

996
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of us wonder if he'll

997
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: even be part of the organization six months from now

998
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: when the new minor league season gets going. About all

999
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: those guys on top of him, in that most of

1000
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: their draft money that year went to those hitters at

1001
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: the top of the group, I'm more optimistic I guess

1002
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: on Connor Scott that than you guys might. He played

1003
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: really well down the stretch of this minor league season,

1004
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: and he did hit from more power, and as underwhelming

1005
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: as he looks, right now, he has actually bulked up

1006
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: from where he was when they drafted him. I don't

1007
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: know exactly how that plays in the majors, but I

1008
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: still have some confidence that he'll eventually make it to

1009
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: the majors. It's more of a question with someone like

1010
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: Will Banfield, who's in the Fall League right now and

1011
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: he hasn't been able to hit a lick even though

1012
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: he's really advanced defensively. And then Osiris Johnson's in a

1013
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: very interesting spot where he was very young for that

1014
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: draft class. He just turned twenty one right now, but

1015
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: he has now undergone a position change from the infield

1016
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: to the outfield, and the hitting results aren't what you

1017
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: expect them to be. But just from watching him, he

1018
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: still has a really exciting swing path and the measurables

1019
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: on his swing are still impressive that if he gets

1020
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: more time, I think he could regroup and still turn

1021
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: into a factor. Overall, that first draft class, that was

1022
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: our first opportunity to get new talent to put their

1023
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: mark on the future of this organization. And so far

1024
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: in that draft class, the one guy that has made

1025
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: the majors has been Alex Vesia, and he's been effective

1026
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: in the Majors, but not for them because they traded

1027
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: him to the Dodgers. So we talked about this on

1028
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: the last stream. We're not going to rehash that, but

1029
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: the fact that that was. It's now been long enough

1030
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: to really start making some judgments on that draft class,

1031
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: and so far the evaluation has to be pretty critical

1032
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: that they did not come away with much, even though

1033
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: there's still time for a few of those guys to

1034
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: kind of write the ship and make an impact.

1035
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not even going to get into Alex Vesia.

1036
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: Group chat's been popping off, I think for a solid

1037
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: three days on that, and you know, you guys also

1038
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: discussed that on the last stream. I want to get

1039
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: into Brian de la Cruz. We mentioned him, I think

1040
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: twice already, and there was a tweet today by Toros

1041
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: de Leste which said, Brian de la Cruz at house.

1042
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: I mean, does this mean he's playing Winter League ball

1043
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: or what are your thoughts on this?

1044
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 3: Isaac, Like Eli said, I don't think he's playing. I

1045
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: don't know.

1046
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 4: I'm not informed enough to you know, like tell you guys,

1047
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 4: but I mean it wouldn't be the worst idea in

1048
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 4: the world, you know, just get some more reps. Offensively,

1049
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 4: there's nothing bad that can come from from more reps,

1050
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 4: you know. So it's a great photo of our lebron

1051
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 4: looking center fielder. But yeah, no, he seems to just

1052
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 4: you know, enjoying the off season, not much else to it.

1053
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, your thoughts on this or Eli, we could go

1054
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: to Eli.

1055
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: Well, winter ball is is like my my forte. This

1056
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: is this is the stuff I dive into a lot.

1057
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, my expectation is that he'll play minimally, if

1058
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: not at all. I don't think you're gonna see him

1059
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: pay much at all, just given the situation he's in

1060
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that do play winter ball,

1061
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: they're either minor leaguers or they are perhaps veterans that

1062
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: are very fringy in the organizations that are kind of

1063
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: hanging on to their last thread as as potential big leaguers.

1064
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: And he's someone that's in a very comfortable position the

1065
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: way that he played during his first half season, looking

1066
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: like every bit of a starting caliber outfielder. I mean,

1067
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: there's not much that he can prove in winter ball

1068
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: that will better help his career moving forward. He has

1069
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: played winter ball in the past with this team, and

1070
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: I think today. In addition to this photo, he took

1071
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: like some batting practice, but not in a full uniform,

1072
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: just in like this this T shirt. It's also their

1073
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: season starts in five days, so it's a little unusual

1074
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: that he'd just be showing up to camp right now

1075
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: and still and have enough time to be prominent member

1076
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: of their lineup. This is something though, that we follow

1077
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: pretty closely. I mean, all the guys that are either

1078
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: Marlin's major leaguers or prospects that do winter ball, we

1079
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: keep track with them, try to get some highlights of them.

1080
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: So if he does play, I'll get some highlights as

1081
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: a guy that was healthy this year at both Triple

1082
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: A and the majors, and like I said, is in

1083
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: a really comfortable position entering next year being all in

1084
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: the Marlins forty man roster. I don't see what the

1085
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: benefit would be. And really the downside is if he

1086
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: gets hurt, that's the only thing that could derail him

1087
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: in a significways if he gets hurt playing in the

1088
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: off season. I think this is more as it's like

1089
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: a victory lap. Now that he made it to the

1090
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: majors after coming from this group, I think he's still

1091
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: pretty close with the guys on the team, not necessarily

1092
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: too worried about playing a big workload over the winner.

1093
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: Correct him if I'm wrong, but it's Peter O'Brien on

1094
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 2: this team.

1095
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter O'Brien, I lose track now, he said. I

1096
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: think it's at least three years now that he's been

1097
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: on this team. He won MVP of the entire league

1098
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and then he was they

1099
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: won the league championship that year. He came back last

1100
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: winter and was not quite as effective. So Peter O'Brien, people,

1101
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: hopefully some of you guys remember him on the Major

1102
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: League team in twenty eighteen and briefly in twenty nineteen.

1103
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: He hasn't done a whole lot since in the US,

1104
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: but he has. He's still making a living internationally, both

1105
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: in the DR and even in Mexico. So he's yeah,

1106
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: he's still a great teammate, fully bilingual guy, and he's

1107
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: he's having a good time this one or two.

1108
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: Peter, your thoughts on the La Cruz possibly playing in

1109
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: the DR.

1110
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 5: I just I look at this picture. This sums up

1111
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 5: de La Cruz for me. He's just he loves life.

1112
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 5: He loves fun, like he's just enjoying himself. He's going

1113
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 5: back there like, hey, guys, I just want to have

1114
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 5: fun and support the team. I think maybe Eli hit

1115
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 5: it there with just a victory lap, Like you know,

1116
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 5: he's become a major league player since the last time around,

1117
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 5: and he had a great second half. We can't deny it.

1118
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 5: And he's just enjoying himself. So absolutely no problem with this.

1119
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 5: I remember just thinking back to last I think it

1120
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 5: was last year, Lewin Diaz absolutely went bananas in I

1121
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 5: think it was the same league as well, So every

1122
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 5: other day there'd be a highlight of Leywin hitting bombs

1123
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 5: of hitting stuff, and I was like, okay, cool, it's

1124
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 5: going to be Leyman years. So listen de la Cruz

1125
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 5: being out there. He can do what he wants. He's

1126
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 5: having fun as long as he doesn't get hurt. If

1127
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 5: he gets hurt, then then that is another ship show

1128
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 5: the Marlins will have to deal with.

1129
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, before we get into the hefty mail

1130
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: bag that we have your thoughts on the playoffs, Pete,

1131
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been it's been crazy. I would say

1132
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 2: that for sure. With the Braves possibly, and I'm belowing

1133
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: another three one lead to the same team to see

1134
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 2: the cheaters on the other side playing that Barton against Houston.

1135
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I've gotta hold my hands up. Haven't watched

1136
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 5: a lot of it live and in full. I'm a

1137
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 5: Marlins fan, right, I'm not so much of a baseball

1138
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 5: fan like and which is shocking, right. I've put myself

1139
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,479
Speaker 5: through bullpen games galore with the Marlins and I'll watch

1140
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 5: the whole thing and I'm not watching the nl DS

1141
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 5: and you know, nlcs and whatever. So there's something wrong

1142
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 5: with me there, I guess. But in general, the bits

1143
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 5: I have watched the AL offensively is just wild, is

1144
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 5: what I'd say. Like it is just bombs away in

1145
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 5: the AL. The NL is definitely a different league and

1146
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 5: it's but like you said, I would love the Dodgers

1147
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 5: to take down the Braves now after getting a three

1148
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 5: to one lead and they lined up pitching wise, Matt

1149
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 5: Max is rated rock and Roll and Bueller maybe game seven,

1150
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 5: So List and the Braves are going to be at home.

1151
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 5: They'll be confident of nicking one of them two games.

1152
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 5: I'm sure the butt they'll be nervous too, no doubt.

1153
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 5: I think the Astros will also feel confident. I think

1154
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 5: they do have a little bit more pitching in the tank,

1155
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 5: but there hasn't been much pitching at all in the

1156
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 5: al so I can I feel confident the Astros are

1157
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 5: going to be there. I hope the Dodgers. I hope

1158
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 5: it's I hope it's an Astros. Do I hope it's

1159
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 5: an Astros. I'm not sure that's the right way of

1160
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 5: saying it, but I think it'll be Astros, maybe Dodgers.

1161
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 5: I hope it's the Dodgers, if that makes sense.

1162
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Eli, you know, what are your thoughts on these playoffs?

1163
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: And I think one of the biggest names there has

1164
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: been Kiki here and Anders, which has been dominating this series,

1165
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: especially the Alcs. Then you know, walked it off technically

1166
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: in the Aldus.

1167
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: He's come back down to earth a little bit since

1168
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: the best moments he had during this postseason still really

1169
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: great overall for him, and he's been fortunate because he

1170
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: was with the Dodgers all those years before coming over

1171
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: to Boston, so he's been in the middle of deep

1172
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: postseason runs, one after the other after the other. I

1173
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: guess I'm in an unpopular stance by Marlins fans because

1174
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: I'd like to see the Braves get a shot at

1175
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 1: the World Series, not necessarily win it, but at least

1176
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: break through, because they haven't even been to one in

1177
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: over twenty years, whereas all these other teams, the Red

1178
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: Sox just won it in twenty eighteen, the Astros won

1179
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: it in twenty seventeen, the Dodgers wonted it last year.

1180
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: It'd be nice to see some new blood at least

1181
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: get knocking on the door to get there. And so

1182
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: what the Braves, I guess my ideal outcome is that

1183
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: they make it to the World Series, but then the

1184
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: lose in devastating fashion, but at least make it one

1185
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: step further than they have, Like I said, in a

1186
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: couple of decades they have been They have so many

1187
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: of these failures, and it's it's such a strange contrast

1188
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: from the Marlins fan experience because they're seemingly always in

1189
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: the mix, but they they it's been so long since

1190
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: actually broke through and had anything to truly brag about.

1191
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: So even while it seems from the outside that they

1192
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 1: have a lot to be grateful for going so long

1193
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: without a ring, having some adult fans who have no

1194
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: memory of winning World series with the Braves organization. I

1195
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: want to see them, you know, figure this out at

1196
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: least this one year and get one step further than usual.

1197
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: Isaac, we did talk during ALDS and n LDS. What

1198
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on this? On these championship series just

1199
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 2: the whole.

1200
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 4: The playoffs as a whole has just been so entertaining

1201
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 4: to watch, especially that San Francisco LA series where you know,

1202
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 4: Cody Bellinger just has such a shitty season and for

1203
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 4: him to come through and really like carry the offense

1204
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 4: in a way, him and Chris Taylor, it's just like

1205
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 4: what baseball's all about.

1206
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 3: Man, Like a guy like only in baseball you hit

1207
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 3: one point fifty.

1208
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 4: Like Eli said in the stream, he and Sandy Lale

1209
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 4: had very comparable offensive numbers, which, oh my goodness. And

1210
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 4: for him to come back and just have a game

1211
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 4: when he hit in Game five of the NLDS and

1212
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 4: hit that game tying home run on the when you're

1213
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 4: on the brink of being down three to zero, it's

1214
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 4: just awesome. Man.

1215
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 3: Nothing's better than playoff baseball. I'm against Eli.

1216
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 4: I don't want Brace fans to be in the World

1217
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: Series like screw that. I would love to see the

1218
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 4: Dodgers really just devastate Brace fans to an extrenuous amount.

1219
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 4: But yeah, I personally think it'll be Dodgers coming out

1220
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 4: of this one, and I predicted Dodgers Red Sox, so

1221
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 4: that's why I'm rooting for the Red Sox there. But

1222
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 4: it looks like the Astros even with mccullors out. That

1223
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 4: just shows how good the the Ashros are, and I

1224
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 4: think they have a bit of a chip on their

1225
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 4: shoulder saying you know what, Yeah we cheated, but we

1226
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 4: can also win without cheating.

1227
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 3: So well, we'll see how it goes.

1228
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 4: Tonight is Game five, Game six with I'm not sure

1229
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: who's pitching, but it's a big one tonight.

1230
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: You know, I'm on the side of ELI where I

1231
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: do want to see the Braves but lose just because

1232
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: I want to see you blood.

1233
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 5: You know.

1234
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: The Dodgers are pretty much like the Warriors of the

1235
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: NBA at the time, you know, and Red Sox. It

1236
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: would be nice to see them. I really don't like

1237
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: the Houston team. I don't like how two over that much.

1238
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: Carlos Corre has turned himself into the villain of the MLB.

1239
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: Let's be honest here. I do like Correa myself. But

1240
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: the only reason why I would like to see that

1241
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: team make the playoffs the World Series would be Dusty

1242
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: Baker deserves it, to be honest. Let's Dusty Baker has

1243
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: been in the MLB for so long, working hard, deserves

1244
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,919
Speaker 2: it on that end. But I do want to see

1245
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: Boston make it. I mean a team that has surprised everyone.

1246
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: Let's be honest. We all expected Boston to be the

1247
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: lower ends of the of that of the Al East,

1248
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 2: where with the Yankees the Blue Jays had gotten better.

1249
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: We expected them to be probably fourth place, where the

1250
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: Marlins were, but it hasn't been like that. Let's just

1251
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: let's just go to the mail bag, which we have

1252
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: right now, because at this point I'm just losing my

1253
00:58:59,160 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: shit here.

1254
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me grab this one from Alan wits hold

1255
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: on just the moment.

1256
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: You're gonna have a lot of editing there to do.

1257
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: Looking forward to twenty twenty two, Let's zoom in on

1258
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: this one. Alan asks would any of the current roster

1259
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: be a starter in any of the season's postseason teams.

1260
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: He wants us to pick players current Marlins that are

1261
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: starting caliber players on the postseason teams. Jazz would definitely

1262
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: be the starting second basement on the Red Sox. Right now,

1263
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: do you know who the Red Sox are without cheating,

1264
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 1: do you.

1265
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: Know who the Red Sox are playing?

1266
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Christian Arroyo right now. Christian a journeyman, a young

1267
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: journeyman because he's never really had much Major League success

1268
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: in the first place. He's playing second base every day.

1269
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: He's a number nine hitter. They're not expecting anything from

1270
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: him offensively, and I think Jazz is clearly an upgrade

1271
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: over Arroyo.

1272
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: He is more.

1273
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: Boom, more home run power, more speed, and maybe maybe

1274
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: a tick less uncertain defensively, but overall as a player,

1275
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: he's I mean that offensive you had Jazz instead of

1276
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: Arroyo is probably the weakest link in the entire lineup

1277
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: and at the plate. So if you put Jazz in there,

1278
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: that's I think that would make the difference in the series.

1279
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: Maybe they he flips one game in the series to

1280
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: give Red Sox a commanding lead instead of facing elimination

1281
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: as that you currently are.

1282
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: When do you guys put Dylan Floorer in any of

1283
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: these rosters. I mean, the guy was in the World

1284
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: Series last year with the Dodgers, so I think that's

1285
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: more of an underrated name. Obviously, could put Agen any

1286
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: of these rosters. You could put Jazz Trevorck very much

1287
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: deserves to be on a roster.

1288
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, these with Peter, I think the intent of the

1289
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: question was more of a are any of the hitters

1290
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: like Marvel is good enough to plug into these teams?

1291
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: And yes, at least in my first impression, I'd say

1292
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: Jazz as the Red Sox second basement. That's probably like

1293
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: the only little one that I'm confident in. You can

1294
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: make the case for some other ones here, but.

1295
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 5: Maybe you can maybe take Agula playing for the Dodges now,

1296
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 5: now the months he's gone down, like do you.

1297
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?

1298
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 5: Like you could plumb it, plug him in and then

1299
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 5: you've got balance your back out in the outfield. But yeah,

1300
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 5: let's say Monthsy was healthy, you still take a monthly

1301
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 5: over Aguila probably so Yeah, Jazz so the Red Sox

1302
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 5: it is.

1303
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: Yep, let's get on to the next one. Twenty two

1304
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: starting line Oh okay.

1305
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah we can stay with him because he doubled up

1306
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: on questions.

1307
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I.

1308
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: Two starting lineup.

1309
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Isaac go first if you are.

1310
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's early, but I mean almost an

1311
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 4: impossible question, you know, because we assume there's at least

1312
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 4: in before spots different from twenty twenty one. We just

1313
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 4: don't know who's gonna fillip. So I'll go position by

1314
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 4: position really quick. You know, Laywin or Aguilar at first

1315
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 4: in the age, second basing be Jash or is that

1316
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 4: gonna be Rojas? Third base, barring any moves, will be

1317
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 4: b A. And then the outfield is where it gets interesting.

1318
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 4: You could pretty much pencil in Hayesus Sanchez and Wright

1319
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 4: and other than that it is straight.

1320
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: It's no one.

1321
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 4: It's gonna be p during center, Elion left and me

1322
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 4: behind the dish because right now they got nothing. So

1323
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 4: those are the one the names I mentioned are the

1324
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 4: only sure fire starters for next year, and some of

1325
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 4: them aren't even surefire if they sign a third basement

1326
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 4: Brian Anderson, who knows, and the same with Miguel Rojas.

1327
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 4: So it's a it's an interesting question for sure, yep, Eli, if.

1328
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: You want to take this one now.

1329
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: Well, it was only a few weeks ago that I

1330
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: was rather confident in the Marlins, eventually arranging a deal

1331
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: for Wilson contrarasts I mean, the more that I think

1332
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: about it, the more skeptical I am about that, knowing

1333
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: how extremely likely it is that he'd want to test

1334
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: free agency next winter, and that the Marlins, if they

1335
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: don't have that extension in place with him, it'd make

1336
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: it hard to justify a trading for him now. But

1337
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean, for the time ding, I still hold out

1338
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: hope that he slaps into that lineup somewhere, with Meggie

1339
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: presumably opening as their shortstop. He got Jazz at second.

1340
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: I think Jazz at second and Maggie at short and

1341
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: Wilson Contra's behind the plates that Brian Anderson will be

1342
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: in the organization. But I feel like there's I wouldn't

1343
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: be surprised at all if BA starts a year on

1344
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: the injured list and they acquire a veteran of some

1345
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: kind to plug in there on the infield in free agency,

1346
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: to give them some depth. Somebody like Eduardo Escobar that

1347
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: I know Peter's fond of from his divondbacks dancing and

1348
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: all that he's going to be a free agent, And

1349
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 1: that's one guy that makes some sense to me on

1350
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: a number of levels, that they can actually afford and

1351
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: that they'd be willing to plug in there, So I'd

1352
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: say on that opening day lineup, you get Escobar in

1353
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 1: there batting fifth or sixth. We know, we feel pretty

1354
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: confident about Hayesu Sanchez being in right, and I think

1355
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: it's hard to be satisfied with his offseason if de

1356
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: la Cruz is automatically in there at the start of

1357
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: the year that hopefully there are two outfielders of some

1358
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: kind that have longer track records than he does that

1359
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: they managed to acquire via trade and free agency, and

1360
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think you're going to get a

1361
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 1: combination of two new outfielders in that lineup that aren't

1362
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: already with the organization. What direction they go with that,

1363
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, And I mean it continues to be

1364
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating, possibly like things about this

1365
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: Barls off season is what they do at first base.

1366
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: Between Leywin and Aguilar and Cooper. I just don't see

1367
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: a scenario where all three of them are back with

1368
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: the organization. When there's just so much redundancy. It's hard

1369
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: to put together a cohesive roster with all three of

1370
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: those guys being primarily first baseman. But it'll make it

1371
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: easier if we had the DH, so I lean towards

1372
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: Aguilar being the opening day DH Layman being at first base,

1373
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: and Garrett Cooper having a new home somewhere where you

1374
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: can thrive and hit Homer's health permitting, but probably not

1375
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 1: with the Marlins, just due to where the organization is

1376
01:04:58,640 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: right now.

1377
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: Peter's reaction near when when he likes said Cooper at

1378
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 2: a new home. But we'll let you take this on here.

1379
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: What's your twenty twenty two twenty lane, because I do

1380
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: think it's not a question. But first base in the mailberg,

1381
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 2: all right.

1382
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 5: So a catcher Jacob Stallings is there, first base is

1383
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 5: Lewin Diaz, second base gestures and shortstop Migiro, third base

1384
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 5: Jose Ramirez. You then have we got center field Brian Reynolds,

1385
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 5: You've got Kyle Schwarber, d h You've got Uh, You've

1386
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 5: got Jesus in right field, and then you've got Castiana's

1387
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 5: playing the outfield as well. There you go, that's your

1388
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 5: opening day and Sandy on the mound. Listen, give me

1389
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 5: ninety wins all day long.

1390
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: With that.

1391
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 3: With that scene, Wor's one Sodo.

1392
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 5: Soda was on his way next year. That's the deadline actually,

1393
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 5: that's deadline for that one. I've intrigued to see what

1394
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 5: Then's doing on that front because they are getting no

1395
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,439
Speaker 5: discount from Soto for an extension, absolutely none, and I'm

1396
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 5: intrigued to see where they end up as an organization

1397
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 5: and whether they do look for a full rebuild extravaganza

1398
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 5: with him. But I'm not sure they'll think they'll just

1399
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 5: have to pay up anyway. That's that's my opening day

1400
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 5: lineup positive.

1401
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 2: I'll just say mine quickly. Catcher, I'm gonna go Wilson

1402
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: contra Us first, base, Leywin dh Aggie second, Jazz Shorts,

1403
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 2: Dot Migie third. I'm gonna go Brian Anderson right field,

1404
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 2: Jesus center, Brian Reynolds in at left. That one's probably

1405
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: the hardest one for now. I can't really give you

1406
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 2: a definite answer, but if I really have to choose,

1407
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: let's just go DLC for now. De la Cruz. I

1408
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: don't think you'll crack the starting lineup, because they'll obviously

1409
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 2: get someone better. Castianus is an option, but I.

1410
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 3: Think for now DLC I like Peters better. Bro.

1411
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think we might all like Peter

1412
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 2: is better at this point. I mean that that would

1413
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: be the dream off season, I think with all of

1414
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: the Morelands for the rest of our lives, if they

1415
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: did that, for sure, if.

1416
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 5: I'm honest though, the it's it's there, the Marlins could

1417
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 5: do that. They could make that happen. Like Ramirez only

1418
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 5: got two years on his deal the Indian. The Guardians

1419
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 5: are in a different spot of the moment. They're retooling,

1420
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 5: so they can they can do something. Stolin's he's okay,

1421
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 5: he's a defensive catcher, like, he's not an offensive dude.

1422
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 5: Reynolds is obviously the gem there, and then you just

1423
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 5: got to pay two dudes cast Arnols and Schwober Like

1424
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 5: it's there. The Marlins could do that quite easily if

1425
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 5: they really wanted to.

1426
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I love that idea. Sure, I've always

1427
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 2: had it in my mind. But you know, with all

1428
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: these players that we're saying at this point, we would

1429
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 2: be going crazy just to name anyone at this point

1430
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 2: because anyone pay.

1431
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: Anyone, hashtag pay anyone.

1432
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,439
Speaker 2: Let's get it going. Well, we already talked about well

1433
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about the Miggie extension. But

1434
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: if we want to get into that thoughts on Chris

1435
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 2: Taylor and free agency and what's on Laywood and Coop Agie,

1436
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: which we'll get into that right now. Let's start here

1437
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: with Eli. What are your thoughts on I guess we'll

1438
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 2: triple on these questions here.

1439
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Chris Taylor is one of my guys. I

1440
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: really do love the potential fit with the team. And

1441
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of linked to the uncertainty with

1442
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: John Birdie, who is pretty high on too, but he's

1443
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: coming off this scary concussion and he seems like just

1444
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: a hard guy to bank on being available and they

1445
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: do have minor league options for him that it's sort

1446
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: of related to the Miggey Road conversation where you like

1447
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the things he does, but ultimately the

1448
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: lack of power impact is still something they need to

1449
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: address somehow. And Chris Taylor is that rare utility guy

1450
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 1: that has impactful power and we've seen it literally the

1451
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: day before we're recording this, that was when he had

1452
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: his three home run game to single handedly ensure that

1453
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: the Dodgers stayed alive and elimination. How many current Marlins

1454
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: players have even the potential to hit three home runs

1455
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: in a single game, and it's yeah, right, he did

1456
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: just barely a year ago. But up the middle in

1457
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: terms of guys that could play up the middle, either

1458
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: on an everyday basis or even on a part time basis,

1459
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: it's a rare skill set that Chris Taylor has. The

1460
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: concerns is that he'll well, for one, he'll be tagged

1461
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: with the qualifying offer and the Marlins will have to

1462
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: give up some of their future draft capital just to

1463
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,280
Speaker 1: and that's before even worrying about actually paying him what

1464
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: should I would think he's going to be in line

1465
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: for an easy four year deal that would make him

1466
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: certainly higher paid than anybody on this current Marlins team.

1467
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 1: It's not the type of contract that they've given out before.

1468
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: He's not the only He's not a necessity. There are,

1469
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: as I've discussed, this big universe of players that they

1470
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: could acquire, and a lot of them via trade that

1471
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: are not quite the same guy as Taylor, but some

1472
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: are actually better in other ways or some There are

1473
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,480
Speaker 1: many ways to put together this puzzle. But Taylor's versatility,

1474
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 1: the fact that he does play six different positions and

1475
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: at least four of them on like an above average

1476
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: defensive level, to go along with the power that he

1477
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: has the speed that he has and his being in

1478
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 1: the prime of his career, I would make him a

1479
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: very big priority for them this offseason. And I've given

1480
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,520
Speaker 1: my thoughts on first base with Leywan Cooper and Aguilar.

1481
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: I think ultimately they'll have to trade one and with

1482
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: Leywin just all the years of team control that he

1483
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: has in the low salary that he has, he is

1484
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: pretty protected right now. They went through a lot of

1485
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: trouble to acquire him, and they want to give him

1486
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: an opportunity to play and actually find out what he

1487
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: can do at the major league level at least for

1488
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: one more year. So it'll be a decision between Cooper

1489
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: and Aguilar, and we'll have a lot of time to

1490
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: really break that down leading up to the tender deadline

1491
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: their contracts coming up. We have almost like six more

1492
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,879
Speaker 1: weeks until those guys have to officially be tendered contracts

1493
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: by the Marlins, So there will be a lot of

1494
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: time to look at the pros and cons between later

1495
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: between Cooper and Aguilar and which one of them makes

1496
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: most sense for the team moving forward. But they'll have

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Speaker 1: to choose.

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01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, let's go with Peter here on the questions.

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Speaker 5: I don't often disagree with ELI for obvious reasons, but

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to disagree with him on both of

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01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 5: his answers here. I know, oh my day, cut the feed,

1502
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 5: Cut the feed. Now get this Get this UK dude

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01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 5: off this feed. I'm not in on Chris Taylor, to

1504
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 5: be honest. That the versatility okay, yeah, but the versatility

1505
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 5: requirement kind of goes away a bit with this with

1506
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 5: the DH is there, and so you kind of end

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01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 5: up paying for versatility that maybe you do, maybe you

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01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 5: don't need, and it ends up being a four year,

1509
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 5: one hundred and something million dollar deal or whatever. I

1510
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 5: don't know. I just think the production will be underwhelming,

1511
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 5: perhaps for the money. The versatility is there though, But

1512
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 5: for me, I'm out on Chris Taylor. I'm keeping all

1513
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 5: three dudes, all three of these guys. There's no reason

1514
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 5: to move these guys. Like if we remember back to

1515
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 5: last year, everyone was down at the same time and

1516
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 5: we had no depth. If Cooper is coming off the bench, great,

1517
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 5: no problem with that, Coops Coops a hitter. The problem

1518
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 5: was there was too much Joe Panic too much, he

1519
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 5: sang too much, Mags too much, Sandy Leone had the bullpen. Like,

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01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 5: if Cooper's a backup guy, no problem with that. If

1521
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 5: Mickey's a backup guy, no problem with that. That's a

1522
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 5: good thing. The Marlins will be well positioned if that's

1523
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 5: the case. So for me, I'm keeping all three. No

1524
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 5: on Chris Taylor. Bigger aspirations.

1525
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:43,799
Speaker 2: Yep, let's go with Isaac.

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01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 4: Now, you know, I did, like you know, agree with

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01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 4: most of what Eli said about Chris Taylor.

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01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 3: I think you'd be a hell of an upgrade anywhere

1529
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 3: on the field for the Marlins.

1530
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 4: I thought his offensive numbers were underwhelming for the most

1531
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 4: where I'm looking at it here, he's had an OPS

1532
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 4: plus over one hundred the last since twenty seven, so

1533
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 4: he's been a consistently above average offensive player.

1534
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 3: Now are there better options? One hundred percent.

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01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 4: So if you're gonna give someone that big three to

1536
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 4: four year contract that's gonna be north of seventy million dollars,

1537
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 4: I think you choose a different player. That's just my opinion.

1538
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 4: And regarding I would love to keep Cooper. Regarding for

1539
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 4: a space, I'd love to keep Coop because I think

1540
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 4: one is he might be the best hitter of all

1541
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 4: three of them, and I know that it's gonna be

1542
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 4: tough to keep all three, but you just go in

1543
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 4: to spring training with all three of them. Things usually

1544
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 4: work themselves out, and one of them is gonna get

1545
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 4: hurt or one of them's gonna not perform well, and

1546
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 4: you're gonna wish you had that guy that you traded.

1547
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 4: So I agree with Peter on that when I would

1548
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 4: go in a going in to spring with all three

1549
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 4: of them, because realistically, how much could you receive for Cooper.

1550
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 4: I think he's probably more valuable to the Marlins than

1551
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 4: he is to another team, So, especially with the DH

1552
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 4: so I would keep all three of them because this

1553
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 4: is an offensive, starving team and all three of those

1554
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 4: guys are offense oriented, maybe besides Leywo even though he's

1555
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 4: like just a great defender. So I would just play

1556
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 4: safe and go into camp with all three and then

1557
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 4: if you're in like July and Aguilar lay with our

1558
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 4: playing fantastic and you can trade Cooper, then you do it.

1559
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 4: But I would go to the next season with all three.

1560
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I think Coop is the odd man out,

1562
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 2: and I think a team like the Royals could really

1563
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 2: use him in Ale. I know we've been we talked

1564
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 2: about this in the group chat a long time ago.

1565
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 2: But I think Stalmont was the guy you guys ELI

1566
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 2: mentioned that could be a good I guess who could

1567
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 2: make a deal there with Coop and get Stamat or something.

1568
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 2: But maybe going in the spring training and whoever doesn't

1569
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: win the job, you either trade him or DFA I guess.

1570
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: But Cooper does hold some value to an American League team,

1571
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 2: especially with what we saw in twenty twenty, which was

1572
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 2: a shorten year, but we still saw what Coop could

1573
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 2: do at the DH, and I think I think really

1574
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 2: just keeping him there would make the most sense, and

1575
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 2: especially we saw how much it affected Coop when when

1576
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 2: we lost the DH in this year twenty twenty one. So,

1577
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 2: and then you have Aggie I use one team MVP.

1578
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 2: I think two years in a row, if I'm correct,

1579
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 2: he wanted in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. So,

1580
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,599
Speaker 2: and lay One's an up and coming guy who really

1581
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: has earned himself the role there to start at first

1582
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 2: base opening day. Chris Taylor. I'll take it like he's

1583
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: a really good player. He could pretty much play all

1584
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: the positions except catchup from correcting picture, so makes a

1585
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 2: lot of sense. We already talked about Miggy, so we

1586
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: won't really get into that, So I think we could

1587
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: get into the next question.

1588
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, just one more on here about the closer situation

1589
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: and what the Marlin should invest in that from asu

1590
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: family fan and whether it's worth going after a big

1591
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: money guide like Kimberl who is he's going to be

1592
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: a trade candidate because the White Sox still control over him.

1593
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: Iglesias Race Iglesias is obviously the name that's front and

1594
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 1: center because he's going to be a free agent for

1595
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: the first time, coming off maybe his best year with

1596
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: the Angels. And I mean for either guy, you're talking

1597
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: about a pretty big financial commitment that they have not

1598
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: made to any picture period, Like since this rebuilt started

1599
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: they have not. They've believed internally in their ability to

1600
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: develop arms, and in most cases they've been proven correct.

1601
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: But whether it makes sense to get one of these

1602
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: guys as like the exclamation point, the finishing touch on

1603
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: an elite pitching staff.

1604
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to start here with this one, Pete.

1605
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 5: This is a real tough one. This this really is

1606
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 5: because I think kind of elis set us up there

1607
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 5: with the elite dudes that are free agents are going

1608
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 5: to be very expensive, and we've seen that last year,

1609
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 5: and then you get them, some of them getting signed

1610
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 5: to like, you know, ten plus million deals, and some

1611
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,599
Speaker 5: of them don't even make it out of spring training.

1612
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 5: You know, this is this is so volatile a position.

1613
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,639
Speaker 5: I'd be shocked if the Marlins went absolutely balls deep

1614
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 5: on someone really expensive. It's just not in ourmo right now.

1615
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 5: It really isn't. But for me, it's we need we

1616
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 5: need someone reliable back there. We really do. Like the

1617
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 5: whole Bass extravaganza just was so painful last year. You know,

1618
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 5: Bass is still going to be on the roster, I think,

1619
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,759
Speaker 5: I mean, he's obviously got money owed, so you assume

1620
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 5: he's going to be there. But you know, I'm happy

1621
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 5: for him to be in a non leverage spot. I think,

1622
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 5: you know, that's that's all for what I'm looking for

1623
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 5: for Bass. Do we go and get someone who's the

1624
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 5: who's the guy who's with the Dodgers that was with

1625
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 5: the Brewers that I can't think of his name now,

1626
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 5: uh ex Brewers was closed Cable. Yeah, I think he's

1627
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 5: a free agent.

1628
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: We talked about him on a recent part. Is one

1629
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: guy they could go after he's done some he's in

1630
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,679
Speaker 1: an unusual postseason starting games for them. Yeah, two games

1631
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: they think during this run. So he'll be a free agent.

1632
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 1: I also mentioned on Twitter just yesterday Joe Kelly, who

1633
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: seems to be going into the season with an injury

1634
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:02,759
Speaker 1: here in his arm pitching on on Thursday discount. Yeah,

1635
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 1: so he's coming off a decent size three year deal,

1636
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 1: but I think the price would be lower this time,

1637
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: given his age coming off the injury, but his performance

1638
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: in terms of the things you can control as a pitcher,

1639
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: keeping the ball in the ballpark, and above average in

1640
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: terms of strikeouts, Like he is surprisingly consistent year after

1641
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: year after year. He's got a fun personality, and I

1642
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 1: imagine he'll be you know, like a two year deal

1643
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: for him, something more than what they paid Bass, certainly

1644
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: this past offseason. But because he does a better job

1645
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: at you know, those those fundamentals that I like his

1646
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: potential as like really solid setup guy that they didn't

1647
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,839
Speaker 1: necessarily have throughout this season.

1648
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, kim berle I mentioned him in an

1649
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 2: article a while ago as an option. It was more

1650
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 2: of an unrealistic thing, but miss missed when we missed

1651
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 2: him on I know he said he really liked Kim Berle,

1652
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 2: he wanted him on there. He glaces. If I'm correct,

1653
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 2: he said, put ten million down and off play for

1654
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 2: the Marlin. Someing like that was the quote. Not gonna

1655
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: quote the guy. But if it's like a one year

1656
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 2: ten mili, maybe do it. I mean, you gave Corey Dickerson,

1657
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 2: what two years twelve million? I think it was.

1658
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: Oh, it was more than that. It was two years

1659
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half for Corey Dickerson.

1660
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe it makes sense to get a shut

1661
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 2: down guy like a Glass who had a really good

1662
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: year with the with the Angels. So yeah, I think

1663
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 2: we're gonna end here. Guys. Pete, thanks for coming on, Eli,

1664
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 2: thank you for coming on. It was an absolute honor.

1665
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 5: So and you guys, thanks so much and listen. Pod

1666
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 5: is obsoutely exceptional. Love it. Wish you the best with

1667
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 5: this and anytime you need me, you know where I am.

1668
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 2: Yep Isaac obviously you're always here with us, Inky Man

1669
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:47,120
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1670
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:51,320
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1671
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:55,640
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1672
01:19:55,800 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 2: That too, Oh, each on fish for uh, stay tuned

1673
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: for Wednesday because that's gonna be a good fish Stripes Live.

1674
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 2: So I think we'll end it there once again from Pete, Eli,

1675
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 2: Isaac and myself Kevin. Peace out, guys, and we'll see

1676
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 2: you guys all in two weeks.

1677
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Speaker 5: Oh rap, everybody,