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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast. It's massages only from men.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansus. I'm joining the room filled

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Speaker 1: with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosen thought

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Speaker 1: what is up? Boys? Hey man, now he's back. Chris

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Speaker 1: Westling's back in the house. Welcome back, west Welcome back

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Speaker 1: from your honeymoon. And you were a little under the weather,

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Speaker 1: which we were sorry to here, but you seem to

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Speaker 1: be on the track back to peak condition, slowly but

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Speaker 1: surely getting better. And you know, thanks to you guys,

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Speaker 1: I can testify that that money drop is totally untrue.

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Speaker 1: I got a couple's massage on my honeymoon. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: all of you. Appreciate it. And um, it was not

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Speaker 1: a guy who gave me a massage, or so you thought,

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it was not a guy. It was a woman,

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Speaker 1: definitely a woman. Well, how how was the experience? Wonderful?

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Speaker 1: I it was my first massage I've ever had. I've

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Speaker 1: never been to a spot or we figured that we

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Speaker 1: we called it a coin flip eternally, I never had

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Speaker 1: a massage, and afterwards I was like, why have I

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Speaker 1: been denying myself this for you know, I mean, money

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Speaker 1: obviously is not everybody can drop whatever it costs to

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Speaker 1: get us a massage every time. Well, we're glad you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it and we're happy to have you back. And

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Speaker 1: and you missed Friday show. Greg kind of went for

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Speaker 1: the chair a little bit. He went for your crown

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Speaker 1: and with hey, Dan unavailable, Uh, Greg came in hard

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Speaker 1: with a yo yo. I don't know was that it was, well,

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Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was yo yo yo.

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Speaker 1: And he said he might try to overtake you at

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Speaker 1: the top of the show with his new yo yo yo. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean yo, I welcome all challenges. I don't run

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Speaker 1: from my opponent. But also, I mean Greg's Greg's big

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Speaker 1: thing always was hey, now that's true, which I really

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Speaker 1: stole from lifted from a very successful yeah from Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: you're having some issues with short Remember you want to

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Speaker 1: tell us about your weekend a little bit. My weekend

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Speaker 1: was the same as ever, a hazy weekend in Santa Monica. UM,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Around the NFL podcast. Like we said

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Speaker 1: on Friday, this is our last UM week of three

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Speaker 1: um because quite frankly, not a ton of football news

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Speaker 1: um holding their mandatory mini camps. We have some O

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Speaker 1: And then it's after this week where the NFL goes dark,

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Speaker 1: right or is it You're right? Yeah, that's it. It's

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Speaker 1: the dark period of the NFL calendar, the only one

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Speaker 1: really um. So until that comes, are with you three

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Speaker 1: times a week on today's show. This is fun um.

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Speaker 1: You know, Game of Thrones is over in age b oh,

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Speaker 1: so they gotta figure out what's going to carry what

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Speaker 1: a our what our tent pole programs. One of them, uh,

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Speaker 1: is this nice little show starring Reese Witherspoon. Whose nicole kidman?

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Speaker 1: Kidman of course, Shyleen Woodley. I believe Adam Scott. Adam

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Speaker 1: is Brad Pitten not on this season? Maybe I believe

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Speaker 1: that was a possibility. Listen to us yet dying it

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Speaker 1: up over here, but here it is big little lies

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Speaker 1: of the NFL, A little say, coming up later, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be fun. But before that, let's get into some news,

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Speaker 1: some firing, some hirings. Let's get to it right, of course,

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Speaker 1: are Massachusetts? Are you from Massachusetts? New Hampshire, New Hampshire.

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Speaker 1: let's start with a firing in the NFL. Brian Gaine

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Speaker 1: stunning move. The Houston Texans, in a classic Friday evening

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Speaker 1: Brian Gaine. You can't put any of it on Brian Gaine,

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Speaker 1: more of an unveiling that Cam Newton has really revamped

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Speaker 1: and we'll have entirely new mechanics at a new way

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Speaker 1: of throwing the football is what rap sheet was told,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be very different. I don't think that's all.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about a quarterback who had screwy mechanics. He

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Speaker 1: looked like a corkscrew throw in the ball because he

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Speaker 1: doesn't move his legs, he only moves his upper body.

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Speaker 1: Lad the major accuracy issues for his entire career, consistency issues,

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Speaker 1: and if he's changed his mechanics different. If I put um,

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Speaker 1: that's too violence to put a gun to your head.

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Speaker 1: But if I put you on the spot right now

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Speaker 1: and said, in week five, you're watching a Panther's game, Uh,

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Speaker 1: with Cam Newton the quarterback, do you think that he'll

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Speaker 1: be throwing differently? I think most like the same old

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Speaker 1: camp with that like slingshot, the very rigid upright boom

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Speaker 1: dart throw. The most quarterbacks revert to what's comfortable. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think in this situation, maybe he can't physically throw

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Speaker 1: like that anymore. Maybe he's had to. Maybe there's an

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Speaker 1: impingement or something in his shoulder that makes him throw

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Speaker 1: it differently. Now, that would be a beautiful thing, because

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about year two of North Turner I think

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Speaker 1: their offense made sense and was more consistent than than

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Speaker 1: it really was for the five years previous. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not too excited about a wide receiver crew led by

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Speaker 1: d J. Moore Curtis Samuel. Maybe maybe those to both

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Speaker 1: two young guys after the catch, for for for a number,

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Speaker 1: for them to be their number one and number two receiver,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty big question left somebody out though. An answer

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Speaker 1: to the questions Christmas always open. I don't know about this,

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Speaker 1: a third year old changing mechanics from the ground up

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Speaker 1: while recovering from shoulder surgery. But I remain an optimist

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Speaker 1: on this front. Well, one source described, um, wait until

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Speaker 1: That's exciting. You know what. I've really come over the

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Speaker 1: years to appreciate Newton. I like him as a player

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Speaker 1: a lot, and I think he gets slept on a

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Speaker 1: little bit. And you got what's the smart mark, No,

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Speaker 1: it's for you. I find that to be a nugget

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Speaker 1: of personal growth because in the past you've been dinged

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Speaker 1: by various uh media types, which you disdain in Charlotte

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Speaker 1: for some of your cam Newton Online. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like the Jets bashers who have now come around. It's

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Speaker 1: very much into that. I won't admit that I was wrong,

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Speaker 1: though I can't because I down that road. I won't

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Speaker 1: do it because Cam definitely did annoy me early in

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Speaker 1: his career. I mean, it's right that he annoyed you.

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Speaker 1: And Super Bowl fifty remains could argue that superbo fifty remains,

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Speaker 1: you know, a touchy topic for anybody, any of the

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Speaker 1: Cam defender. Maybe all this humanized him a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and you kind of like the way he's come out

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Speaker 1: of it. Who knows, Wait, why is it? Oh, it

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Speaker 1: was a tough game, you're saying both you know, the

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Speaker 1: play behavior in Prescott afterwards. Fumble, Oh yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: not a good look. It was not a great It

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Speaker 1: was not even a great night. But it wasn't It

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Speaker 1: was worse than a bad look. But that Broncos defense

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Speaker 1: made every quarterback look look bad. But that's not what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about that you're talking about the interview. I

485
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Speaker 1: don't care about the phone talking. The phone thing is

486
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Speaker 1: ridiculous to get on him for it in the moment,

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Speaker 1: not ridiculous. West the fumble, Oh it was ridiculous. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, he looked. I'll that's for another day.

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Speaker 1: Save it for that. Why didn't Cam jump on the

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Speaker 1: fumble podcast? Well, I didn't Cam try to win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl podcast? I mean, it was all happened very quickly.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that it's micro man. I don't know

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Speaker 1: who knows well that sports man finally in the news.

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Speaker 1: Uh the Meanwhile, on the throne of sleeves, the New

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Speaker 1: England Patriots canceled the final two days of the offseason

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Speaker 1: organized team activities that were scheduled for Monday Tuesday. Mike

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Speaker 1: Girardi reports and Greg I just thought this was terating

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Speaker 1: to note Jardi um because once upon a time the

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Speaker 1: head coach, maybe in a more motivated time in his life,

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Speaker 1: had this to say. And now with the team completely

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to reconstruct the offense and figure out

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Speaker 1: I just wonder what that's about. I think he hasn't

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Speaker 1: appreciated for the guys, his veterans is there is the

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Speaker 1: fire still in the belly. He also did the exacting

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Speaker 1: it's up in the air. He did the exact same

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Speaker 1: a chance that we did this And how did that

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Speaker 1: turn out the same sort of thing? All right, that's

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the news. Did that the Ortiz thing

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Speaker 1: that hits you harder? I mean, he's just like response

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Speaker 1: because kind of grew up with him. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 1: let's get to it, big little lies of the NFL. Now, West,

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Speaker 1: and said, how am I gonna watch less ambitious television

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Speaker 1: If they're seeing this masterpiece and it's visually stunning, it's

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Speaker 1: music score, Everything about it to me is delightful, but

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Speaker 1: so big little lies the title little All of our

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Speaker 1: lives are built around these little lies we tell ourselves

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Speaker 1: and our loved ones in order to keep up appearances,

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Speaker 1: We do all tell these little lies, but then you

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Speaker 1: you have every day. And the big lies are the

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Speaker 1: I'm watching this show now, I've never seen it. And anyway,

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Speaker 1: think that one's gonna stay little, all right, So there

639
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Speaker 1: you go. That's the setup, and Greg, I will now

640
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: throw it to you. Now, let's start with someone else. Please,

641
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: Why I don't after that intro, I don't want to

642
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: go next. I don't know if I under I want

643
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: to hear it. Hear you guys, Let let someone else

644
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: get buried West. Since you did the set up there,

645
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: why don't you explain a big little lie in the NFL? Okay,

646
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: so the little lie is so, and so quarterback can

647
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: still make all the throws? Could be Eli Manning, Drew Brees,

648
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, Case Keenum Hell, Josh

649
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: Allen can't make all the throws. He might have the

650
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: strongest arm in the NFL, but he ain't making all

651
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: the touch throws. The it's a little lie. Because our

652
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: lives are filled with these little lives. Dave Gettleman has

653
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: to go to a podium and say that Eli Manning

654
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: can can make all these throws, still make all these strows.

655
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: It's not nefarious. Very few quarterbacks can make all the throws.

656
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: But Gettleman has to justify his decisions, maintain order in

657
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: hierarchy and in the organization. Protect Eli Manning's pride bolster

658
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: is confidence, given the best chance possible to exceed expectations

659
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: this year, make sure that his legacy and statue were

660
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: intact with the Giants. But it becomes a big little

661
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: lie through the butterfly effect. What if it sets the

662
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: Giants organization back for a decade or more. We won't

663
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: know until a few years in the future how big

664
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: this little lie is. But anytime you hear the words

665
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: still in front of Kim make all the throws, it's

666
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: a lie. It's just this. Well, it's interesting because this

667
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: is one that the Giants aren't the only one saying.

668
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: I watched on our air last week, Mike Gara, Folo

669
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: and Shaan O'Hara make the case that they watch in

670
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Speaker 1: practice and that Eli Manning can still spin it as

671
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: well or better than he ever can't. That's what they

672
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: say though, and I and I saw that, and it

673
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: was just a moment of dissonance for me, and I'm like, Okay,

674
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Speaker 1: maybe I should trust them. They're watching him in practice.

675
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: Maybe his arm is that strong this June, or at

676
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: least at this point in the videos from practice, he

677
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: can't make the sideline. And then and then you saw

678
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: and then I saw some other reporters who said the

679
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: total opposite. They were talking about Eli as a drop down.

680
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: He was continuing to drop down was set on our air.

681
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: So it almost it kind of proves your point that

682
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Speaker 1: these these little eyes, uh just you know, people that

683
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Speaker 1: have something invested or they're attached or whatever. They just

684
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Speaker 1: just how many NFL quarterbacks you think can make all

685
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: the throws? Well, that's an interesting question, all the throws.

686
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Speaker 1: And it's sort of a logical fallacy because only only

687
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Speaker 1: like one or two people in theory could make all

688
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: the throws, you know what I mean, Because at some

689
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: point there's people that can make even more throws. It's

690
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: like Rogers Stafford. Uh, it's more like what he could

691
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: do before. Honestly, the amount of handwringing still about the

692
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Speaker 1: Giants quarterback puisition, I would understand that we'd be talking

693
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Speaker 1: about the still if they passed on a quarterback in

694
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Speaker 1: the first round and all the handring about. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe they're still going to Eli and they're paying Eli

696
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: and he's still the guy in the future. They took

697
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Speaker 1: a quarterback with the sixth overall pick, he's gonna be

698
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: this This kid is probably gonna be playing by week six.

699
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: What does that have to do with their little lie?

700
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, what, who cares? Like? He lies

701
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: the past of this organization and there's nothing that I'm seeing.

702
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: I think they they're always going to say the right things.

703
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: They're gonna say the right things and try to prop

704
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: you all up because yes he is. That was my

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00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: whole point. I know he's an important member of the

706
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Speaker 1: organization and the legacy and the franchise history. But the

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00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: end of the what does it all mean, because he's

708
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: really the book is kind of closed on him, like

709
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: it closed the second they announced he has an opportunity,

710
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: But then why is he still being propped up as

711
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: the Week one start? He has an opportunity to make

712
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: the playoffs. If we're having this conversation next year, I'm

713
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 1: with you. But the book it's not closed. He's still starting.

714
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: They're not even opening it to competition. I think it's

715
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: because the giants from top down have messaged this as

716
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: poorly as you can. And he's still the starting quarterback

717
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: on the field right now. But that's okay, okay here.

718
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: But by week one, everyone was killing Cleveland for putting

719
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: Tyrod Taylor in there because it wasn't really a comb competition,

720
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: and they were right this if this is not really

721
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: a competition, And what did I have a problem with it?

722
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 1: Johnny Man's excuse me? Baker Madfield was in by week three?

723
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Speaker 1: So what did it mean? Ultimately, because because it to

724
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: the point of what West is saying, it's a lie.

725
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: Ultimately the talent's going to win out. And why is

726
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: why are they putting Eli Manning in a situation unless

727
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: it's a competition. He should at least be in a

728
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: fair competition and he should have the opportunity to lose

729
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: the job if he's not the better quarterback. I regret

730
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Speaker 1: that I chose Eli as my example, right, you had

731
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: other example? Really it was saying that I cannot still

732
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Speaker 1: make all the throw That's fine. I mean Tom Brady

733
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: doesn't make every all the throw is Drew Brees can

734
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: make all the throws. The big lie is Drew Brees

735
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: kept the Saints from reaching the Super Bowl last year.

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Speaker 1: Oh you said something, Saucy West on NFL Network today

737
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Speaker 1: he was one of the worst quarter you know they

738
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Speaker 1: had film wise he was. They called it the breakfast Table,

739
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: the good Morning Football Folk, and they had Cam Jordan's

740
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: in their studio in New York, and Jordan was saying

741
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: that Breeze is the top quarterback in the league and

742
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: that Tom Brady, you know, people take him away from

743
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Would you still be saying that Breeze, who

744
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: doesn't have a bad coach himself, by the way, he's

745
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: the guy year after he puts up the numbers and

746
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Famer. And then West dropped the

747
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: bomb in the network that you found him to be

748
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: one of the worst quarterbacks in football. And I know,

749
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: and I know why you say that, because he had

750
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: two awful games right after Thanksgiving. But he played quite

751
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: well against the Steelers. He played fine in the playoffs.

752
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: He wasn't great, but he certainly wasn't. Look at his

753
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: look at his rate stats from Thanksgiving to you went down, yeah,

754
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: and that they were some of the worst in the NFL.

755
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: And then look at the film of him not being

756
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: able to throw a beyond thirty yards. Argue with that, Um,

757
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: I have something that should not be argued with. It's

758
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: a big little lie. The big little eye is that

759
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: anyone in the NFC should be as a viewed as

760
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: a favorite besides the Eagles right now. So the Eagles

761
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: are the favorite. Eagles should be the clear cut favorite

762
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: in the NFC based on where they are as an organization.

763
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: And again, smart organizations. And I was defending the Jets

764
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: earlier because the Jets fan but that's not traditionally a

765
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: well run organization. The Eagles have shown a time and

766
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: time again since Chip Kelly got out of the building

767
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: that they know exactly what they're doing. And they paid

768
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. He's paid, he's happy, and he's healthy most importantly,

769
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Speaker 1: and you just look at what they what they've been

770
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: been able to build. Now. Last year was a tricky year.

771
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: From they win the Super Bowl, they come back, the

772
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: win situation was just cloudy all year with the injury

773
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: is they still went nine and seven, They still still

774
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: want a playoff game. But now this is the year

775
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: where I think they are going to be really difficult

776
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: to deal with because not only have a fully healthy wins.

777
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: Hopefully they go and they get to Sean Jackson. So

778
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: you add a major burner, one of the top deep

779
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: threats of the generation to pair with Wentz. You go

780
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: and you got you. We talked about Brian Gaine getting fired.

781
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: Did Howie Roseman get Brian gain fired? I'm sure Bill

782
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: O'Brien was furious that the Eagles traded up three spots.

783
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: They get in front of the Texans and take Andre Dillard,

784
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: so they start to fill up that pipeline because smart

785
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: organizations do that. They get the best offensive lineman in

786
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: the draft. And then there's a tweet from Field Yates

787
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: right around the time of the Wentz extension. Eagles veteran

788
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: players now signed for at least three more seasons. Wentz

789
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: Earth's Fletcher zach Er, It's Fletcher Cox, Jason Kelsey, Lane Johnson,

790
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: Brandon Graham, Alshon, Jeffrey Malik Jackson to Sean Jackson, Nigel Bradham,

791
00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: uh Isaac Samula, these guys are all uh, impact players.

792
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: They have the core signed. It's a young, dynamic team

793
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: that's one not so far in the distant past, and

794
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: there I think are going to kick some ass this

795
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: year in the NFC. And I feel like we're not

796
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: hearing that right now. A lot we're hearing about the

797
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: same old culprits, uh like the Saints and the Rams.

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00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people who's who's the you know favorite?

799
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Speaker 1: I think the Eagles should be the clear favorite in

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Speaker 1: the NFC. I think one reason we're not hearing that,

801
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: you know through trumpets, is because as recently as a

802
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: week ago, people were still asking fresh questions to Carson

803
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: Wentz about how he feels. And it's not just been

804
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: one injury two years ago. It's been a second injury,

805
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: and they have no one behind him at quarterback at

806
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: this point if anything happens. But I would also just say,

807
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: looking up and down the other fifteen teams in that conference,

808
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: it is as stacked as the NFC has ever been

809
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: in the time we've done this show. And I struggle

810
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: to take any one of them and just say heads

811
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: and tails. On June tenth or whatever, it is that

812
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: the Eagles are the team that's clearly above everyone. Are

813
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: they really well run? Everything you said rings true, but

814
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: that's true aspects of that are true of three or

815
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: four other teams. You feel that way about the Rams,

816
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: who have become one of the best run teams in

817
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: the league with one of the best coaches and a

818
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: ton of young talent. Saints. I mean, I don't love

819
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: the Bears as much as those two teams, but they're

820
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: a team on the rise. And the Eagles in the

821
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: NFC East have to get out of their own division.

822
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna be a lot to ask.

823
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys are not a bad team either. The

824
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: Saints are the team that usually fill the spot of

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00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: the preseason favor and I think they probably will be,

826
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Speaker 1: you know, like number one in power rankings and stuff

827
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: like that, because they're the team that was the best

828
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: the year ago, that returned the exact, that returned almost

829
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: all the same team, like they didn't lose anyone the Saints. There,

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00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: there's no reason to believe that the Saints will be

831
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: worth Logically, now, that's not usually how it pans out,

832
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: but I do I I agree with you Mark that

833
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: if you look at the Rams, the Vikings and the

834
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: Saints roster, I mean, those are really good rosters. Well

835
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: they're they're really strong top to bottom, and they should

836
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: be playoff teams. And I'm with I mean, no one

837
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: I love the Eagles, so I don't really I just

838
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: feel like they're in a really good spot this year,

839
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: and I'm even in a very difficult year last year,

840
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: they still ended up being in the final eight teams.

841
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: They had a chance in that game. I mean, they

842
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: had their chances against the Saints to win that game

843
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: and then they would have been headed to Los Angeles.

844
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: But by the way, where the Eagles are right now

845
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: in terms of Super Bowl, I don't know. Can I

846
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: just point out that there's a team that knocked the

847
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: Saints off their pedestal and won the division that the

848
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: Eagles are in, and this team got better in the

849
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: off season, the Dallas Cowboys. You think Cowboys a better

850
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: team than Eagles, and then that's a that's a coin flip.

851
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: I have fewer questions about the Eagles because of their

852
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: quarterback is clearly to me better than Dak Prescott. Right

853
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: to answer your question, Dan, the Rams and the Saints

854
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: are co favorites. Bears a little bit behind, and then

855
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: the Eagles uh in a solid fourth. Those four are

856
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: are fairly far ahead of the pack. Um. You feel

857
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: like the desert people are lying, but the Rams and

858
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: Saints are as a pretty little lie in the desert.

859
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: If you like that, then it's time to get in.

860
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't do that. That's not something I would

861
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: ever do. Yeah, we can't do that. We're not allowed,

862
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: all right, Mark, give us a big little lie. I

863
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: think we tell lies because the truth is uncomfortable, that

864
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: the lies prevent us from having to deal with something

865
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: that might not fit even the narrative that makes us

866
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: feel good. And one of the people that's made me

867
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: feel really good about football the last couple of years

868
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: is Nick Foles, and there's no reason not to love

869
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: what he did in that very well run, perfectly executed

870
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: Eagles organization with an offense perfectly suited to his strengths.

871
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: And what I feel borders on potentially a burgeoning lie

872
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: is when a team desperate to erase the mistakes and

873
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: the lies they told previously about their former quarterback Blake Bortles,

874
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: you have to get involved into maybe even a more

875
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: dangerous lie, a lie tied to fifty million dollars in

876
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: guaranteed money and hoping that you get the same version

877
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: of Nick Foles that he produced inside of a very

878
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: beautifully run two seasons with the Eagles, but two seasons

879
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: in which he fumbled the ball more than any other

880
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: quarterback than Lamar Jackson in terms of percentage for quarterbacks,

881
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: with over three hundred touches, and a quarterback that before

882
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: his two playoff year runs in Philadelphia never started more

883
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: than eleven games in a season, and the one year

884
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: that he did was in St. Louis when he was

885
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: benched for case keenum, and a lot of that had

886
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: to do with durability. He's also in the past had

887
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: spotty play, and again it hurts to to view this

888
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: as a lie, the idea that he can't go be

889
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: a four or five year successful startup for them, because

890
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: what's not a lie is he's an awesome teammate, He's

891
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: an awesome leader. He's someone that walked away from football,

892
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: gained perspective, came back, grew as a person, grew as

893
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: a player, and fit into the perfect moment to become

894
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: one of the biggest sports stories of our life in football.

895
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: But the second little lie tied around him for this season.

896
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: That has me concerned is the fact that we're not

897
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: really looking close enough at what's around him, and that

898
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: is a bunch of wide receivers who look good when

899
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: you look at the whole roster because they're young and

900
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: maybe they'll pan out. But you can't point to really

901
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: any one of them in my book and say you

902
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: have got one or two dudes that are gonna help

903
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: this offense fly. And it's gonna have to be completely

904
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: opposite from the Tom Coughlin Doug Marone approach of the

905
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: past few years, where you get lineman, you get players

906
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: around them to run a run heavy Leonard four net

907
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: based attack. Now everything needs to shift to become a

908
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: pass happy attack, and it's run by an offensive coordinator

909
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: against Coughlin and Doug Maron sort of nature in terms

910
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: of someone who's running the offense, John Philippo, who at

911
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: the is a skilled play car, but who got fired

912
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: a year ago for clashing by running a different scheme

913
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: than what the building wanted to run. And so you've

914
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: got all these little promises and lies and have truth

915
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: mixed together, and everyone wants to just put the Jacksonville

916
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: Jaguars back into contention when I look at two other

917
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: teams in that division that have much more orchestrated, powerful

918
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: offenses to begin with, So did Jaguars have a lot

919
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: of work to do, And I'm not convinced that I

920
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: can believe in Nick Foles as a six team game starter,

921
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: much less doing that over the course of five years.

922
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: As much as it pains me that the Colts and

923
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: who is the second one, I think the Texans are

924
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: a better run offense with a quarterback that I know

925
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: I can trust more than Nick Foles. You you spoke

926
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: about Nick Foles in what he's done in the past,

927
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: and I have a sort of a theory about that.

928
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: He is more conscientious, introspective, and in touch with his

929
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: feelings than just about any football player I've heard, and

930
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: I think that affects his confidence level more than at

931
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: a normal quarterback that play that plays into insecurities more

932
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: and when he's not surrounded by the coaching and the

933
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: surrounding talent, he probably tends to slump a little bit

934
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: more than another quarterback would. But when he's playing well

935
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: and feeling himself, his confidence is sky hill. Yes, it's

936
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: a great it's a great point to of the of

937
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: the lie, maybe that de Filippo is a natural fit

938
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: with Maron and Coughlin and you haven't haven't really heard that,

939
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 1: you know, this offseason. But it's a really interesting point

940
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of parallels to to the

941
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: Viking situation. I saw a report last week. I don't

942
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: know who said it, it it was someone on the Jaguars

943
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: made a comment like it's going to be all about

944
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: Nick Foles this year in the last Campbell Campbell It's

945
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: like that that doesn't ring. That rings to me is

946
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: a liable because it's not all on Nick Foles either.

947
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: You can kind of look at the Jaguars a couple

948
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: of different angles and wonder if there's a big little lie,

949
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: a big lie around this whole team, because Folds could

950
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: be essentially what you expect him to be, not a superstar,

951
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: but like a good just on the right side of

952
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: the Dalton scale type guy. Even and that doesn't mean

953
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: that they're gonna be back in the NFC Championship game.

954
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: This defense has to be a lot better than it

955
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: was last year. They talked about it last Friday that

956
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: they they half as many turnovers, They didn't make the

957
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: big plays, the whole team. The coaching has to be better.

958
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: The defense has to be better, the offense has to

959
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: be better. The running game has to be better. The quarterback, yes,

960
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: and it's hard not to be better than Blake Bortles.

961
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: The front office has to be better. A lot has

962
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: to go right for this team to get back on track.

963
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: It's not just we plug in Nick Foles and we'll

964
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: see you in January, right, And I'm hopefully that's not

965
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: all what they thought, but they have not addressed enough.

966
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: I also look at a team in the Eagles that

967
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: had Zach Ertz and Dallas Goddard at tight end, and

968
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: now you are going to a team with Jeff Swam

969
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: and Ben Koyak, who I liked a couple of years ago.

970
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: But it's like, you don't have that either so well

971
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: that during their whole like playoff, we're using like five

972
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: different height ends at the same time going up the leg.

973
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: There's the offense of guy that he can look to

974
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: week after week and say he's gonna bail Nick Foles

975
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. K was cool in the playoffs. Josh

976
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: Oliver they drafted in third round. That guy is gonna

977
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: be their pass catching two close us out with a

978
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: big little eye. All right, the the big lie, big

979
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: little eye, the big little eyes in Kansas City are

980
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: all the analysis from people like us and really around

981
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: the country talking about the Chiefs as if Tyreek Hill

982
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: is not there, because because to me it he is there.

983
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: He's on the roster. And until we hear more. The

984
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: longer this goes, I start thinking that he's going to

985
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: continue to be part of their organization. And so the

986
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: big lie is sort of like looking at this a

987
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: f C field and marking that down with the Chiefs

988
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: that they don't have him. And this is it's a

989
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: very tricky topic to talk about, but just in terms

990
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: of his status, it's totally unknown right now. And I

991
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: think there's been a lot of assumptions, including you know,

992
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: from me and and anyone talking about that initially, that

993
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: he's just gonna be suspended and definitely, or that they're

994
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: gonna cut him or something like that. I just feel

995
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: like if they could have cut him, they have not

996
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: cut him. He's part of the organization. Uh. The NFL

997
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: said last week as an update to the news that

998
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: the district fraternity at this point is no longer investigating

999
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, that it will have no effect on their investigation.

1000
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: So the NFL is still investigating uh and there's still

1001
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: very strong possibility for a suspension, but we don't really

1002
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: know it. This is a different case than than ones

1003
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: that we've seen before, and we don't know what the

1004
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: NFL is gonna do. We don't know how long that

1005
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: suspension is gonna be, and it's kind of silly to

1006
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: even speculate. But but the big lie to me is

1007
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: that that he's that Tyreek Hills just kind of put

1008
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: to the side. We've put it to the side because

1009
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: it's not fun to talk about and it's and it's

1010
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: a horrible situation that he's put himself UH in, but

1011
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: he it's very much hanging over this season and hanging

1012
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: over the Chiefs and the NFL in general, and I,

1013
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a lot more to come.

1014
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: The NFL is in a tough spot because I know

1015
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: how I feel I've seen enough of Tyreek Hill. I

1016
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: need to see him play football ever again. And I

1017
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: think a lot of football fans feel the same way.

1018
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: He isn't and this was new since our last podcast.

1019
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: They came out and said he isn't the subject of

1020
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: an active criminal investigation local law enforcement where this incident

1021
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: involving his girlfriend and the son occurred. But the personal

1022
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: conduct policy, that's that's different, and you don't have to

1023
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: have even you don't need proof of a violence. And

1024
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: and there was a report in Pro Football Talk that

1025
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: noted Ravens quarterback Jimmy Smith he got a four game

1026
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: band for threats and emotional abuse of the mother of

1027
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: his three year old child. So I'm just looking at

1028
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: this where the black and white of how this all

1029
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: ends up if the Chiefs decided to keep him on

1030
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: the roster, and it seems that's where we're heading right now.

1031
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: The NFL at some point is going to come in

1032
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: and deliver a penalty. You would think there will be

1033
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: some type of band, whether it's four games like Smith

1034
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: gott or eight games, which is what Kareem Hunt is

1035
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 1: uh facing the seas someone they got rid of very quickly,

1036
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: unlike Tyreek Hill, perhaps perhaps more than eight games. So

1037
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: it seems to me that unless something changes, that the

1038
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: chief are gonna have Tyreek Hill on the field, barring

1039
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: some new developments later at the midpoint or later in

1040
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: this season. And that is surprising and frankly a little disappointing, yeah,

1041
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: and or not, Like I don't even even by bringing

1042
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: this up. I don't know. Maybe it will be a

1043
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: year that he's gone. I mean, I think this whole

1044
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: thing is uncertain. But Tom Belisara was on our air.

1045
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: He came out a little stronger than I would have expected,

1046
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: saying that there's every reason to believe he'll be in

1047
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: training camp Tyreek Hill. At this point. I think what

1048
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: Tom is is trying to say is that there's been

1049
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: no actual official action taken, and that that no, no

1050
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: one knows what action like people would lose a lot

1051
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: of money trying to guess what the NFL would do

1052
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: with a lot of these cases over the years, and

1053
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: we really don't know. But the Chiefs don't seem in

1054
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: a hurry to get rid of And the biggest action

1055
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: not taken is that the Chiefs have clung on to

1056
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: him this entire time, where if he were roster fringe

1057
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: player that would not be the case. I would imagine

1058
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: Chiefs need to do some thinking about who the Chiefs are. Alright,

1059
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: big little lies in the NFL and twenty nineteen two

1060
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: more shows coming up this week. As I said, we'll

1061
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday. One more bonus news item, Wow

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Speaker 1: Bieber versus Cruise Justin Bieber on Twitter over the weekend

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Speaker 1: challenge Tom Cruise the famous actor to a fight in

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Speaker 1: the octagon. Uh, cruises fifty six. He's older now than

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Speaker 1: Wilford Brimley was when he made Cocoon. Yes, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: he looks he looks years. He's younger than is extremely fit,

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Speaker 1: age defying fifty six. I take Cruise over Brimley especially now. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to mess with brim suspicious age defying

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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise at fifty six. Bib Ty body in a

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Speaker 1: little bit better shape than maybe you would think. He's

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Speaker 1: not the same scrowning kid that he was when he

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Speaker 1: came out of Canada, as Ricky will test um, So

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Speaker 1: he has some mass to him. I believe he trains. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he trains with a guy, you know, physical trainer that

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Speaker 1: does a lot of boxing things of that nature. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what was behind it, and I didn't do

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Speaker 1: enough research to find out why he challenged Hollywood superstar

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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise to a octagon battle. But I'm just curious

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Speaker 1: who you think wins, and Ricky, I want to hear

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Speaker 1: your thoughts as well. We'll start with you. You want

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Speaker 1: to start with me. Yeah. I don't know why he

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Speaker 1: challenged him either. I was like trying to look at

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Speaker 1: that at the articles today and stuff. But let's not

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Speaker 1: worry about um why and just let's just put ourselves

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Speaker 1: in the octagon Saturday. You know, in October, Biber is

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Speaker 1: gonna damage Cruise and his legacy. Mark I'll counter that

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Speaker 1: because I think that people just will quickly, um dismiss

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Speaker 1: Tom Cruise because of his uh you know, scientology, and

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Speaker 1: he's a little bit of an odd guy. But he

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Speaker 1: also to me seems like hardcore driven and I think

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Speaker 1: he's got like a will of steel and I and

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Speaker 1: I just simply don't know that about Bieber. Biber's talented

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Speaker 1: in his own ways. But who's gonna break first and

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Speaker 1: after brutal physical punishments insane, That's what I mean. I

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Speaker 1: think I think he I Tom Cruise will die out.

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Speaker 1: And again sometimes you know there's an official there and

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Speaker 1: if you've got like a finishing move and you know

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Speaker 1: Bieber can just get him to go lights out, There's

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Speaker 1: only so much a will to win is going to

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Speaker 1: help you in that. But lots on the line for

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Speaker 1: for Tom Cruise. If Tom Cruise lights go out there out,

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Speaker 1: If ru'se loses to Justin Bieber, that's all that a

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Speaker 1: certain age group of people are ever going to know

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Speaker 1: about him for the rest of time. He can't let

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Speaker 1: it happen. You cite selling scientology in his weirdness. I'd

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Speaker 1: just saying that's packed into the public perception. Well, here

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Speaker 1: are some bigger factors. Again, older than Brimley in Cocoon,

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Speaker 1: that's a big factor. Don't care about also legit like

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Speaker 1: what five ft four not a big guy six? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bruise is gonna get pummeled by by Justin bie Bieber

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Speaker 1: is not much taller. I gotta be honest, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but he's it's not an issue in the ag. That's

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Speaker 1: one sport where the short guys in a nice little

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Speaker 1: set from third base to first base. And I'm forty

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Speaker 1: five years you you think Tom Cruise doesn't have built

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Speaker 1: in injuries from all his life? That could also mean

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Speaker 1: five eight and a half. We don't know. No, it's

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Speaker 1: exactly right, five five seven, five nine, that's I'm not

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Speaker 1: But also Cruise, when you when you I I think

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Speaker 1: it's hilarious that you compare him to Wilford Brimley, but

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Speaker 1: they are not physically on any anything close was physically

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Speaker 1: remains undefeated. Well, it's a YouTube video that says Justin

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Speaker 1: Bieber's real height is five six proof. Oh well, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. I think this is this is kind of

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Speaker 1: like like the maybe like the heavyweight fight the other night.

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Speaker 1: You know, Uh, Bieber needs a quick knockout because if

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Speaker 1: as the rounds go on and this just becomes more

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Speaker 1: about the will to win in the in the grappling,

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Speaker 1: then I like Cruises chances because I think this man,

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be denied. He has the heart

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Speaker 1: of a champion. Why from his movies absolutely, he just

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Speaker 1: just seems like think Bieber twenty four year old. I

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Speaker 1: think mentally, kid, first I think I'm going neck up

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Speaker 1: because neither going to be that table to physic right. Meant,

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Speaker 1: first of all, he's gonna train like crazy, He's gonna

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Speaker 1: get some a ton of p DS. He'll be Cruise

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Speaker 1: will be ready. And then mentally I think he would

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Speaker 1: embrace the pain. Is like he's gonna want to be punished.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna want to outlast that. Cruise will look at

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Speaker 1: it some sort of like life challenge where Bieber will

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Speaker 1: suddenly be there and just be like, what am I doing?

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Speaker 1: You've just painted Tom Cruise is some like unbeatable Yoda

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Speaker 1: slash Darth Vader is correctly, he is adequately. He does

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Speaker 1: all his own stunts. He's an absolutely like jumped off

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Speaker 1: a building for the least for analysis, we just had

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Speaker 1: to jump in and say it. I mean the cruise

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Speaker 1: and a walk and to get in some some pummeling.

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Speaker 1: But crew, like I said, would rather die than come

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Speaker 1: out of that octagon. A loser like he is, that

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Speaker 1: intensive person. I could not agree more. West you are.

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Speaker 1: You have shown ageless aspects to yourself. Same with Tom Cruise.

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Speaker 1: Bieber would pummel me right now. So a cruise I

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Speaker 1: don't know about the um let's go, that's it. Stan

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Speaker 1: Hands is signing off. Four quiet storm, the mailman, the

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Speaker 1: old boss Ricky Hollywood behind the glass. I would pay

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Speaker 1: in a second till Wednesday. M okay podcast, huh still

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Speaker 1: doing this? Let's make it nice? Tighten right? Okay? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's only three newsisum item so you guys should be

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Speaker 1: done in about four hours