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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And Welcome Back George Dory along with astrologer Mark Lerner,

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Speaker 2: began his astrological studies in New York City back in

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Speaker 2: June of nineteen seventy two, on the same day that

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Speaker 2: he began taking a chemistry class at Columbia University to

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Speaker 2: prepare for a pre med training and entry into medical

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Speaker 2: school instead of becoming a physician like his father and

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Speaker 2: uncle wanted him to, a few months later, he decided

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Speaker 2: to become a professional astrologer and he's been doing it

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Speaker 2: ever since. He's got several books out, including Welcome the

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Speaker 2: Planet Earth, and also his website is Great Bear Enterprises

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Speaker 2: dot com linked up at coastocostdam dot com. Mister Lerner,

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Speaker 2: welcome back, my friend. Always a treat to have you

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Speaker 2: on the show.

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Speaker 3: That's very kind of you to say, George. Great to

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Speaker 3: be back.

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Speaker 2: And you are going to be with me at a

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Speaker 2: live event coming up pretty soon in the Dolls in Oregon.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward it in three weeks.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's almost here. Exciting.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have some fun. You could do some readings

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Speaker 2: from the audience and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Like that.

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Speaker 2: If you force me to do it, will probably force you.

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Speaker 2: Tell how did you get interested in astrology?

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Speaker 4: Well, we've shared before, but on that that day in

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Speaker 4: the summer, it's really fifty three years ago, believe it

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Speaker 4: or not, feel like a spring chicken.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I think I get younger as I

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Speaker 3: get older.

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Speaker 4: Here astrology sort of keeps me on the edge of

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Speaker 4: things because there's so much happening, you know, with astronomy,

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Speaker 4: James Webb, telescope, watching people like Mitio Kaku, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean, all these amazing programs that you bring

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Speaker 4: to the world, and just everything that's happening. But on

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Speaker 4: that particular day when I thought i'll probably this is

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Speaker 4: after college and I graduated and thinking I guess I

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Speaker 3: I was on my way home.

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Speaker 4: This is back in Queens, New York, and I went

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Speaker 4: into a bookstore and I found and I've shared this

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Speaker 4: before with you, I saw a book called Astrology the

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Speaker 4: Space Age Science, and I just simply opened it and

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Speaker 4: in the store. And what was interesting was the author,

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Speaker 4: as I was skimming through it, said that these great

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Speaker 4: astronomers people with looking at the heavens, particularly Copernicus and

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Speaker 4: fifteen hundreds, and then Johannes Kapler, Galileo, Sir Isaac Newton.

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Speaker 4: They weren't just astronomers looking into the heavens and giving us,

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Speaker 4: out there and outer space and the Solar system. They

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Speaker 4: were practicing astrologers. But what happened was when the biographer

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Speaker 4: started writing about these people, they pretty much focused on

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Speaker 4: all their discoveries. For instance, Galileo discovery moons of Jupiter,

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Speaker 4: Sir Isaac Newton with all the different laws, and Copernicus

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Speaker 4: saying the Sun is at the center of the Solar system,

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Speaker 4: it's not the Earth, and so kind of to validate

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Speaker 4: all that, the biographers said, well, each of them had

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Speaker 3: They were believers in astrology.

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Speaker 4: So in a way, what happened was these biographers, probably

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Speaker 4: due to the Church and the power of the Church,

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Speaker 4: didn't want to go in that particular territory, and they

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Speaker 4: also didn't understand how astrology really worked. But these people

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Speaker 2: You deal a lot with what you call earth astrology

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Speaker 2: or mundane astrology, and unlike the word mundane it's not

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Speaker 2: whole home. This is real important is what is mundane astrology?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's astounding, George.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this before.

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Speaker 4: When I got into all of this part of my

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Speaker 4: I mean, I was really into politics, Polisci, studying about China, Russia,

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Speaker 4: I have done thousands of readings for people into what

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Speaker 4: we call individual charting, but that you could also do

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Speaker 3: Of something, and that's that's what astrology is all about.

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Speaker 4: And one other little thing, there's been a couple of

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Speaker 4: astronomers who've taken me to task, and maybe other people

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Speaker 4: have been on the show who do astrology. Well, they'll say, well,

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Speaker 4: how can these people believe in the pseudoscience? Because Jupiter, Saturn, Pluto,

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Speaker 4: they can't affect us and the astronomers are correct. So

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Speaker 4: the way that astrology works is through synchronicity. So Carl Jung,

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Speaker 4: other things like I'm sure you've had people on right

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Speaker 3: So he gave us an idea.

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Speaker 4: So, and I've shared this before where he said, whatever

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Speaker 4: so a lot of people think it's a pseudoscience. If

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Speaker 4: if you're into religion, you know you're a tool of

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Speaker 4: shall we say, the dark forces, or some kind of

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Speaker 4: a map that we each have when we're born, at

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Speaker 4: is kind of map of our destiny.

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Speaker 2: If you had ten people all born at the same time,

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Speaker 2: same day, same year, would they all end up the same?

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Speaker 4: Well, you ask the greatest questions, George, leave it at

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Speaker 4: firm believer, and thankfully in my own life, and I

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Speaker 4: don't force this on my clients, but that I believe

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Speaker 4: we're all souls and spirits, that we have this other life,

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Speaker 4: and you can see all these pictures often if you

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Speaker 4: go online and through different educational schools and esoterics that

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Speaker 4: we're multifacet beings. So when you ask that question, right,

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Speaker 4: the difference is is that even though you can you know,

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Speaker 4: but they don't are not necessarily born like you said,

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Speaker 4: But the answer basically is because the soul has different

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Speaker 3: If you can.

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Speaker 4: Accept that that even though you might have the same Moon,

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Speaker 4: the same one. Of the little point, George, because you

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Speaker 4: asked such a great question, is everything depends on how

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Speaker 4: well you utilize the Sun, the Moon, Mercury, Venus, and Mars,

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Speaker 4: and not everybody is able to utilize the planetary and

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Speaker 2: Fascinating. Indeed, now the moon has a lot to do

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Speaker 4: You know the thing I've shared so often, and I've

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Speaker 3: You know, I have this unique.

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Speaker 4: moon is much more of our personality, our instincts, our moods,

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Speaker 4: Having studied that for as long as I've done this

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Speaker 4: And it's almost like, think of a lot of people

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Speaker 4: It's kind of like the moon has all of these

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Speaker 3: Genetically speaking, so to speak, ancestry.

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Speaker 2: Mark why are eclips is so important?

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Speaker 4: Because this is one of the most phenomenal things. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure that astronomers have said this to you and other astrologers,

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Speaker 4: what are the odds? And I keep thinking I studied

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Speaker 3: And the last forty years when I did somebody's chart.

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Speaker 3: You know, I dare say the following that sun sign.

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Speaker 4: Astrology has become popular because it's easier to know your

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Speaker 3: It's never going to be an empirical science.

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Speaker 4: However, just like you know you have Glynnis, mccammis, you

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody any I don't think any astrologer

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Speaker 4: don't always get an exact total lunar eclipse or total

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Speaker 3: That's what's called perige and apogee how.

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Speaker 4: Close the Moon is to us, and if it's not

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Speaker 2: It's fascinating how many astrologers are there on the United

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Speaker 4: Well, look, the thing is when I when I got

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Speaker 4: to create charts. Now, you know, somebody says, okay, a monthday, year,

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Speaker 4: exact time, exact place you have your computer open, astrologer

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Speaker 3: You know the problem?

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Speaker 4: I think you know thousands of astrologers many, there are

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Speaker 3: There were always a good number of astrologers.

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Speaker 4: But to be really good and to be really sort

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Speaker 4: lot of good scientific mathematical books that you could utilize.

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Speaker 2: Urrein a Neptune pluto. They're all important, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and a lot of folks out there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, just like listening to you and with listening

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Speaker 4: If you somebody wants astrology, they want numerology, they want metaphysics,

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Speaker 4: inundation of all kinds of things that are happening. I

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Speaker 2: For our horoscope is the same as astrological charts.

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Speaker 3: So I refer to.

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Speaker 4: More of my work about eclipses and new moons and

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Speaker 4: So I would I call myself an earth mundane astrologer

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