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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Monday, September fifteenth, and guess what, guys,

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Speaker 2: we have a stacked night of headlines.

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Speaker 3: I'm Stephanie Leidecker.

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Speaker 2: Here of course, with Courtney Armstrong and Body move in.

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Speaker 3: The band is back together.

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Speaker 2: It is just the three of us, ladies and of

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Speaker 2: course Taha and the boys and the boys in the back.

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Speaker 2: So we're excited to be hearing from you. Please join

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Speaker 2: us in the conversation eight eight eight three one crime

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Speaker 2: or leave us a talkback, and remember tomorrow is Talkback Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Wounds like there's plenty sound off about, so please share

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Speaker 3: your thoughts, share your opinions.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's a very upside down time. So we want

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Speaker 2: to give you an update on the new developments in

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Speaker 2: the killing of Charlie Kirk, the Conservative Advocate. There's been

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Speaker 2: many new details now that we're seeing in this investigation.

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Speaker 3: And then after that we're going to.

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Speaker 2: Go someplace that I know maybe might feel us, make

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Speaker 2: us all feel a little bit better.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about Chad day Bell.

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Speaker 2: Chad day Bell, Lori Valo's beloved husbands, murderer of count

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Speaker 2: three behind bars looking at a death sentence. He's reaching

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Speaker 2: out and he wants the public to hear his side

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Speaker 2: of the story and has some letters to share. So

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Speaker 2: if you have any anxiety, we're going to toss it

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Speaker 2: all toward Chad day Bell.

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Speaker 3: Rest assured, I.

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Speaker 4: Would love a full episode just to make us all

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Speaker 4: kind of feel better where we just make fun of

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Speaker 4: these killers and just like you know, just make fun

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Speaker 4: of them, laugh at them, talk about how dumb they are. Like,

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Speaker 4: I think I would feel better after that episode, especially

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Speaker 4: the ones that are currently serving life sentences or looking at.

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Speaker 3: Death for their horrible of them body.

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Speaker 2: You were gone when the Brian Coburger personal photos released.

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Speaker 3: I we we're here.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Courtney, we haven't even really gone through those

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Speaker 2: too much either, so we know there are some Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Brian Coberger, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: So if you have any burning questions or thoughts or

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Speaker 2: cases that you just want to talk about without having

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Speaker 2: to talk about some of the bigger, bigger, bigger things,

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Speaker 2: the really heavy stuff. Right, let's bring it here. All

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Speaker 2: info is welcome, that's right, yeah, Courtney Armstrong. Where should we.

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Speaker 3: Begin, Well, we are going to begin with the biggest

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Speaker 3: news of the day and we're just going to speak

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Speaker 3: about the facts because so much has been unfolding in

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Speaker 3: different directions and so many retractions have been happening. So

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Speaker 3: here's what we know. Twenty two year old Tyler Robinson.

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Speaker 3: He is the man who's accused of shooting and killing

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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk, who Stephanie, as you mentioned, is a political activist.

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Speaker 3: So Tyler Robinson is expected to be charged tomorrow. And

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Speaker 3: he was not. By the way, the shooting took place

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Speaker 3: at Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was involved in

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Speaker 3: of Turning Point USA. Tyler Robinson was not a student there.

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Speaker 3: DNA on a towel. We spoke the other day about

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Speaker 3: how the gun, the weapon, the alleged weapon, was found

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Speaker 3: wrapped in a towel in a wooded area. DNA on

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Speaker 3: It has matched the suspect. This is according to FBI

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Speaker 3: Director Cash Bettel, and also DNA on a screwdriver that

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Speaker 2: Not sure what the screwdriver was about. Yeah, maybe to

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Speaker 3: The scope adjusting the scope.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna, literally, I'm guessing I do have weapons, and

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Speaker 4: But there was any DNA on the gun.

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Speaker 4: Used a towel to wipe it down and got whatever

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Speaker 3: Right perhaps so so far reports I have seen is

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Speaker 3: the towel and the screwdriver. Tyler Robinson's family turned him

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Speaker 3: where this assassination occurred. The death penalty is indeed legal, sure.

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Speaker 4: I read today that before he turned himself in, he

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Speaker 4: Discord disputed the planning of it happening on Discord. They

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Speaker 4: not the message that's interesting to me. What's interesting to

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Speaker 4: And the reason that's interesting to me is like, literally,

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Speaker 4: turn yourself in. You just assassinated somebody in public. You're

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Speaker 4: You go to Discord to message people online. He must

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Speaker 4: if you guys don't know what Discord is, really quickly,

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Speaker 4: it's just a messaging app. You can do video calls

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Speaker 4: Or I just found gold at this rock, you know,

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Speaker 3: But I use it now.

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Speaker 4: I have a true crime discord where people that you know,

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Speaker 4: and there's I don't know about two hundred people in there.

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Speaker 4: And if I was getting arrested or turning myself in,

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, I ain't going into my discord

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be calling my you know, my.

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Speaker 4: Loved ones and my best friends and be like I

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Speaker 4: you know, the fact that he messages people on discord

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Speaker 2: This is a guy who left a weapon behind, obviously

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Speaker 2: As we talked about last night, and you know there

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Speaker 2: tough case to get around. So if all these things

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Speaker 3: It certainly does. And also with the you know, leaving

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Speaker 3: the messages on the case sayings, you know that all

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Speaker 3: points to I want to be seen in some capacity.

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Speaker 3: I want this message to be these messages to be

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Speaker 3: heard in some capacity, so you know, we'll see again.

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Speaker 3: This is absolutely evolving, and the Utah County Attorney is

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Speaker 3: holding a news conference tomorrow and they will announce state

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Speaker 3: about nothing more than Chad day Bell.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's listen to some old fashioned true crime, right

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Speaker 4: like the heart of it all. So, yeah, did you

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Speaker 4: guys hear about this website that popped up letters from Chad? Okay,

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Speaker 4: so I was on X. Well, I was on vacation.

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Speaker 4: is this. It's literally Chad Davill's daughter created a website

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Speaker 4: trying to communicate with the public and basically tell his

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Speaker 3: To talk to you guys about them, if that's okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so wait, these letters are so too much. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: the convo. If you remember anything about Louri Valo, Luri

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Speaker 2: Valo married, of course, infamously to Chad day Bell. Louri

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Speaker 2: day Bell. That's a very broad stroke summary there. There's

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, I appreciate you doing that, because that's pretty

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Speaker 4: succinct summary of what happened. So Chad day Bell, who

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Speaker 4: in the same block as Brian Coberger in Idaho.

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Speaker 3: Goes to both busy block.

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Speaker 4: This is a busy busy block. Okay, maybe he's one

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Speaker 4: that was my question, do you so, Brian Coberger?

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Speaker 2: We all know is complaining because people are talking through

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Speaker 2: the walls and other inmates are taunting him verbally. Taunting

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Speaker 2: him is Chad day Bell, who clearly has a lot

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Speaker 2: off of his killer chest. It's unbelievable. Yeah, maybe he's

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Speaker 2: also taunting Brian Coberger.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I feel like it would

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Speaker 3: go one of two ways. It could go the way

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Speaker 3: you're saying, Stephanie, or could they well I guess, I

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Speaker 3: mean Coburger is in solitary. I mean, would they want

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Speaker 3: to be partners in arms of? Like only you could

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Speaker 3: understand being dragged through the press and not being you know,

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Speaker 3: being misunderstood because I know part of what Chad day

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Speaker 2: To have people really see him and his truth. Well,

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Speaker 2: he's been through it, you know. Obviously he's innocent according

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Speaker 2: to his proclamations. In fact, his daughter Emma, who is

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Speaker 4: I know we haven't had that happen. We haven't got

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Speaker 2: Tonight, we are throwing all of our anxiety, all of

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Speaker 4: So yeah, So in the previous segment, I went over

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Speaker 4: And it's the first time we've heard from him because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little coming out New York strong like yay,

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Speaker 4: So letter two there's five total, okay, And Letter two

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Speaker 2: Which is why it's so important with repacking this because again,

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Speaker 4: He implicitly denies her the involvement in her death. He

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Speaker 3: That's right. She traveled far and wide by the way.

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Speaker 2: And remember this guy, he had those two life he thinks,

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Speaker 4: Right because he had these near death experiences. Did you

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Speaker 4: that he's being persecuted much like Joseph Smith.

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00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 3: So when you.

438
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 4: Said, you know that he has these NDEs and he's

439
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 4: getting closer to Christ, it made me think of what

440
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 4: he said, that he's comparing himself to Joseph Smith. And

441
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 4: if you don't know who Joseph Smith is, he is

442
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 4: the basically the founder of the the LDS Mormon religion.

443
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 4: He uh, you know, found these tablets in Ohio. I think,

444
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 4: and I don't want to be disrespectful. So if I'm wrong,

445
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 4: please let me know, and created or founded I'm sorry,

446
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 4: the Mormon religion. And he was persecuted in Indiana. I

447
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 4: believe AnyWho I'm getting off subject. So letter four is

448
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,719
Speaker 4: the persecution. Okay, that that he's talking about. Okay, the

449
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 4: focus shifts from h you know, this faith identity to

450
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 4: this unfair excommunication by the LDS church. He's very bitter

451
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 4: about this, by the way. Okay, he's been excommunicated.

452
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: He's no longer why you wonder why.

453
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: Of course, honest, caring giving people are not down with

454
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 2: Chad day Bell.

455
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: They spotted it probably a mile away. But also if

456
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: you're excommunicated, then you know your belief is that the

457
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 3: afterlife is I mean is everything, and then you will

458
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: be cut off from it, and it's I would love

459
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 3: to get into the kingdom, which is you know a tenant.

460
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 4: I would love if there's an LDS member in our

461
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 4: audience to let us know if you are excommunicated from

462
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 4: the church, are you cut off from the afterlife and

463
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 4: in you know, from ascending to you know your belief

464
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 4: I would love to know.

465
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: And I think part of the reason also that he

466
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: was cut off is that he had these very extreme thoughts.

467
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: He was he had a whole other party going in

468
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 2: his head and there was an apocalypse coming and people

469
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 2: were turning into zombies and what started out as a

470
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: creative writing session, and he was an author putting out

471
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: these like post apocalyptic you know what's going to happen

472
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: in heaven type thoughts because remember he's been touched from

473
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: his many many cracks to the head. Suddenly they probably

474
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 2: were having a fork in the road in terms of

475
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: their belief system, and he was preaching some pretty extreme stuff, right.

476
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: Oh, undeniably listen if you do want to weigh into this,

477
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: because these letters are insane, body, and I'm so glad

478
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: that you took the time to lay them out in

479
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: one of your famous you know, spreadsheets. They're so organized.

480
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 3: But give us a call. Eighty eight three to one crime.

481
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 3: This is true crime tonight, and we are talking about

482
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 3: Chad day Bell's letters that he's letting us know his

483
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: truth about. So yes, go ahead, it's trying to order

484
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 3: one more before we go further.

485
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: Just in case you guys aren't playing along and don't

486
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: remember who Lori Valo is. Do you remember when her

487
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: beautiful young children were missing in the entire country was

488
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: looking for them, and instead of aiding law enforcement to

489
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: find them healthy, instead she was gallivanting around Hawaii and

490
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: many other fun places, getting her nails done with her fiance,

491
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: Chad day Bell. They actually got married in Hawaii. Why

492
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 2: her children were still missing, literally still missing. So, you know,

493
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,239
Speaker 2: journalists law enforcement would stop her on the street, and

494
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: she was so smug, and her smugness was, Hey, they're

495
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: already dead and you guys don't know it, and I'm

496
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: just going to run off here in Hawaii. By the way,

497
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: she looks so normal, that's what's so scary about it.

498
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 3: She just looks like she's a bride living her happy,

499
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: beautiful life with her you know, beloved Chad day Bell,

500
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 3: whose wife just died in her sleep, even though she

501
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: was perfectly healthy by all accounts. And even more demented

502
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: is Lorie Valo. Two beautiful children sixteen and what seven

503
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: seven turned up in a shallow grave in his backyard.

504
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 3: And this guy is somehow innocent.

505
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: And in the meantime, she gets her brother to murder

506
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 4: her husband.

507
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: Oh, don't even get started on Charles goodness. So then

508
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: sat by the way, Charles was a Saint and need listen.

509
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: You know Lorie Valo's husband Charles, also the father of

510
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,479
Speaker 2: Colby I believe, yeah, which we have to get to

511
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: that office. I don't know, maybe that's a marriage prior.

512
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: She hadn't been married I think four or five times.

513
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: But Charles who was also killed by Lorie Vallo's brother,

514
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: who then also died. The kill list on this case

515
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: alone is really wild. But remember the two of them,

516
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 2: Lori Valo and Chad dave Bell together had this whole date.

517
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: In fact, you and I were working together. We were

518
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: doing an episode even with Injustice with Nancy Grace, so

519
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: that we were working on at the time, and there

520
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: was this doomsday date, which of course I'm forgetting. It

521
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: was sometime in the early beginnings of twenty twenty.

522
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 3: Let me assure you this date was very important to

523
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 3: Stephanie at the time, and that was sort of a

524
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: countdown she because in my head when I woke up

525
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: that one weird day, I was like, is it possible.

526
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: I know it's not, because I know she's completely off

527
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: her rocker and demented, but.

528
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: Is it possible that Lori Vallo and Chad Davell are right?

529
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: Because tomorrow's the day, like it's something.

530
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 4: Got in the end of July of twenty twenty.

531
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 3: That's right, you know, it was cold, were like apocalyptic times.

532
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: Granted I knew she was crazy, but at the time

533
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: those two really did believe this.

534
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 4: And by the way, Stephanie, that's why you're going to

535
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: be the first one of us to ENTACLT because you

536
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: kind of believed it a little bit.

537
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: We're going to get me out. You'll get me out instantly,

538
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: I will say the other directions. I will come to.

539
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: Just give me a kit kat? Is that your ry?

540
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: I'll come, no problem.

541
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: So Letter four is all about him being persecuted, okay

542
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: by the LDS church, and it's very He compares himself again.

543
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 4: He does this like parallel comparison with Joseph Smith. He

544
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: paints himself as like a hero. Okay, it's crazy and

545
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: he's it.

546
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: It has kind of a bitter tone to it.

547
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 4: And letter five, which the last one, talks about his NDEs,

548
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 4: his near death experiences, and his his misrepresented beliefs. He

549
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 4: prepares you know, he's he He opens the letter basically saying, like, listen,

550
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 4: I want to tell you what happened in twenty nineteen.

551
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: But in order to do that, I have to lay

552
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: the foundation of what happened before all this. Okay, so

553
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: I'm thinking letter six might start with the meeting of

554
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 4: Lori Valo. We're going to find out so, but we

555
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, we don't know.

556
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: You know, he.

557
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: Doesn't address any of he doesn't address up anything of

558
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: importance in this letter, but he does say, you know,

559
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 4: these NDEs brought him closer to God, and that he

560
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: had four of them, and that he survived them for

561
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 4: a reason. And you know, this sort of like hero

562
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 4: complex that he's got. It's very interesting and I'm excited

563
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 4: for Letter six. I'm not gonna lie.

564
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 3: I mean, this is like being in Charles Dickens' time

565
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: when he would do those serialized things in the paper.

566
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: Think he is and listen, we're breaking down some of

567
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: these well, I guess these letters that Chad Dave Bell

568
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: has been releasing to the masses as if there are

569
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: so many people that are you know, clamoring to read

570
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: his new.

571
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: Released backstory stories, but rest ashured. He claims he is innocent.

572
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: But then Lori da Bell Valo also serving life behind bars,

573
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: not death interestingly, but life multiple life sentence, multiple life sentences.

574
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: But you know the circumstances, I mean, I guess the

575
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: living conditions are therefore a little bit different. And to me,

576
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: she is no walk in the park and nobody se

577
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: skin any more than Lurie Valo day Bell. So she

578
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 2: was at it again because she's trying to communicate with

579
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: her son, her only surviving child, Colby, from a previous marriage.

580
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: A courtney, do you want to fill us in what

581
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: happened at crime con?

582
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: At crime Con? So, yeah, give me odds on both

583
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: Chad day Bell and Laurie Valo going on a letter spree.

584
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: So time, that's what they have a lot of time.

585
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: They have a lot of time, that's right. So Laurie

586
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: Valoda Bell, she sent a loving message it was from

587
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 3: prison to her surviving son. And she did this through

588
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: a reporter at crime Con in Denver where Joseph Scott

589
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: Morgan just was. We were speaking to him last night,

590
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: and this journalist shared a message from Valo to her son, Colby,

591
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 3: and she is expressing her love to him, and she

592
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 3: is referencing Matthew twenty five, which is a Bible passage

593
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 3: and it speaks about the righteousness and the wicked and

594
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: again as a reminder of the small details. Laurie Valla

595
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: was convicted just two years ago murdering her two children,

596
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 3: Jj Vallo and Tylie Ryan, and currently serving those multiple

597
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: life sentences without the possibility. And then she wait, wasn't

598
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: she also on trial for her nephews. Yeah, she has

599
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: to be just convicted. Yeah, she has an thoughts. And

600
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: then he had a husband who then became the niece's

601
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: ex husband. And while Lorie Vallo was still out and

602
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: about being insane and killing everybody around her allegedly she

603
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: or not even no, she's been convicted of it. It's there,

604
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: it is not allegedly. And I would also be he.

605
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 4: Was there and on the steps of the courthouse giving

606
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 4: a speech against his mother. So the fact that she

607
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 4: reached out to him, and this was like two months ago,

608
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, the fact that she reached.

609
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: Out to him.

610
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 4: He wants nothing to do with her, you want.

611
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: To imagine, and that way, Colby's like a nice guy,

612
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: and he's so long now.

613
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 4: He was so close to Tylie specifically, you know, both

614
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 4: of them and him had a special connection. I mean, listen,

615
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 4: you love all your brothers and sisters, no question, but

616
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 4: Tileie really looked up to Colby, so there was like

617
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 4: a special connection there. And she was a little bit older, right,

618
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: so she was closer in age. And I mean, he's devastated.

619
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: He is devastated by what his mother did. She killed

620
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: her husband, you know, we know that, and he also

621
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 4: really respected him, So he despises his mother. I'm putting

622
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: words in his mouth, but he.

623
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: Doesn't complicated because even you know, we did an interview

624
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: with him. Again, this is many years ago when he

625
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: wasn't speaking out to the press, and it was a

626
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: project that we were working on, and he was a

627
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: hard interview to get and he was really conflicted because

628
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: even though he knew the facts or what these facts

629
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: were shaking out to be. Like for his mother, he

630
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: really did love and had fond memories of her from yesteryear.

631
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: It was almost as though there were two lives that

632
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: he was forced to live, the one when he remembers

633
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: her as a loving, giving mother and then this like

634
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: insane cult mom version that it's hard to reconcile, Like

635
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: he almost couldn't reconcile it even at that time. Now

636
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 2: years later and now they've been convicted, they're behind bars.

637
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: You know Chad day Bell is you know, on death

638
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: row for these crimes. Bodies do you know were discovered

639
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: in shallow graves, unspeakable things done to them.

640
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

641
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: Like now he's an adult man trying to move on

642
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: with his life, trying to make sense of this. Is

643
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: at crime con and guess what, Yeah, Laurie's writing him

644
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: notes from behind bars.

645
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: That's right. So Laurie had found out that Colby, her son,

646
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: was going to be on a panel with journalist Nate Eaton,

647
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: and then she then gave the letter to Eton to

648
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 3: share with Colby, and she stated, if you talk to Kolbe,

649
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: please tell him I love you very much, no matter what.

650
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 3: And you know, Colby, he's interpreted the message as his

651
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: mother still attempting to portray herself as godly and good

652
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: despite her crimes, and he maintains he has no desire

653
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: to communicate.

654
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 5: I feel much.

655
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: I feel kind of weird about I kind of feel

656
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: that that was maybe inappropriate to do. You know, he

657
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 4: doesn't want any communication with her. Maybe you should, oh,

658
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 4: for for I think it's a boundary crossing. Personally, I

659
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 4: think he crossed a boundary and I don't think he

660
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 4: should have.

661
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: Done it, oh, are correct in that Colby was very

662
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: outspoken about really his very hard feelings for his mother

663
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: at that recent you know trial where she was brought

664
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: up on trial for putting out a hit on her

665
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 2: niece's ex husband, Brandon Bordeaux. And to your point, Colby

666
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: did attend. And again, that takes a lot of courage

667
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: to do that looking out against your mom, I mean

668
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: imagining that your mom is capable of something like this

669
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: coming to terms with that.

670
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I could see what you're saying about it.

671
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: There's a reason that Laurie did not reach out to

672
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: Kolbe directly, right, right, I mean listen, I like listen,

673
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: I like eton. I think he's a fantastic reporter, Like

674
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 4: I really like him. I just think that this was inappropriate,

675
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 4: like a little performative, not necessarily performative, but a boundary crossing.

676
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: You know.

677
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 4: Maybe he did it because he wants to stay in

678
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: good graces with Laurie to continue to get like the

679
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 4: insights gup like a professional. You know, I totally get it.

680
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 4: It's just I don't know, kind of gross me out

681
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 4: a little bit.

682
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: Well fair perspective. Well, listen, if you went a way

683
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: in about any of these letters from Lauri Valo or

684
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 3: Chad Daybell give us a call eighty eight three one crime.

685
00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 3: So I don't know, do we have anything else to.

686
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: I just think these two the biggest example of love

687
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: gone wrong. You know, I thought about this a lot.

688
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: You know, if Lori Valo and Chad Dave Bell had

689
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 2: never met, I just imagine that those two never crosspaths.

690
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: Would life have gone on normally?

691
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: You know what?

692
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: Maybe was Lori Valo capable of continuing down a healthy path,

693
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 2: and maybe she would have continued to be the mother

694
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: that some said she once was. And would Chad have

695
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 2: remained married to his very devoted, healthy athlete of a wife,

696
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: Tammy and their many children Emma included. Or were they

697
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: just like the most toxic match possible?

698
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: Because I find it interesting that Chad Dave Bell is

699
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: really taking the time to write these dumb letters and

700
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 3: putting them out to the world when he knows full

701
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: well that they were gallivanting in Hawaii while she was

702
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: being all smug to the cameras.

703
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: When his beloved wife's kids were missing. You know, JJ

704
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: berried you weres old, Yeah, and Tylie.

705
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: Was witnessed to so much destruction and despair, and you know,

706
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: had such a good life ahead of her.

707
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 2: I mean it was a little teenager. So for Tyler

708
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: and for JJ, I find it unimaginable that this guy

709
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: could still say I have no idea what happened. Wait

710
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: till you hear my side of things. Why weren't you

711
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: telling that to authorities? Then, when when everyone was looking

712
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 2: for those two children, why weren't you making Lori your beloved,

713
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: come to the carpet and work with law enforcement. So

714
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: we weren't rating resources and energy trying to find JJ

715
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: and Tylee. How that say that to the people that

716
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: loved them, the grandparents and Anny, the aunt, Annie who

717
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: we interviewed Charles Ballow's sister who like continues to live

718
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: on missing her, her niece and her nephew, and Colby

719
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: stuck in the middle of it, like, I don't know

720
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: my mom is a maniac.

721
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 3: But little did he know. That's like so hard to

722
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 3: cross across that in your head.

723
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 2: So she left a real wake in her past, in

724
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: her and then on top of that, still looking her

725
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: worth a crazy red lipstick behind bars. If you've seen

726
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 2: any videos of her, it's like looking at death's door,

727
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, because She's an attractive woman, or at least

728
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: was back in the day. She was very busy getting

729
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,479
Speaker 2: her hair highlighted and her nails done while her kids

730
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: were missing, so she could look perfect for her wedding.

731
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: You could literally see her giggling. And now behind bars,

732
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: you know it's there's not other you can't get those facials,

733
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: there's no botox. Behind bars, she's looking a little ratchet

734
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: like she was trying to paint on what she used

735
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 2: to look like. She was doing it with markers instead

736
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: of a fine line.

737
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 3: Is what it looked like.

738
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,959
Speaker 2: Never say this about another woman, But you know, red

739
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: lips she made out of like you know, she had

740
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: to make it out of something out of hand together.

741
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 4: Like I told you guys, I'm on like prison YouTube

742
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: a little bit and social algorithm. No I know why,

743
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 4: but I'm kind of fascinated by it. Some of the women,

744
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 4: I mean, they do such a good job with very

745
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 4: little resources. I mean true, they look I was like,

746
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: oh my god, she has not laur Valo though, like

747
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 4: ry Valligans.

748
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: Like she murdered her children and has you know, a

749
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: lifetime upon lifetime to pay for it, you know, God willing.

750
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: And by the way, you're right. Remember Courtney, we were talking,

751
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: there used to be these weddings behind bars, and there

752
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: was an actual like caterer who her her business was

753
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 3: like snappy little weddings behind bars, and women would make

754
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: bouquets out of tampons. Do I remember? I relished every

755
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: Zoom interview that we did. I remember, how do they

756
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: do that? Like, oh the cotton you can It's just

757
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 3: about being so resourceful. It really was brilliant and they were, honestly,

758
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: they were very touching.

759
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 4: I guess you add like moisture to it, the kind

760
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: of expand and can be formed into the pedals. Yes, yes,

761
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 4: that is correcting.

762
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: And you know to your point, you know, they were

763
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: very industrious with how they would make makeup and you

764
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: know eyeliners and you know curls and you know, you

765
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: know the many many things. Listen, leave it to women.

766
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: You know, you watch Oz and all the men are like,

767
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: this is just it's like the scariest place on earth.

768
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 2: And then you go with the ladies and you know

769
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,479
Speaker 2: they're you know, making makeup and you know.

770
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: Well oranges in it. Okay, since we're I'm gonna take

771
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: a tangent. I have never seen one episode of either

772
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 3: OZ or Orange is is really scary? Oh yeah, it's

773
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: too scary.

774
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: I don't and I feel have a very similar viewing,

775
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 4: like we both feel like the same stuff.

776
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 3: Correct, I'm telling you OZ is.

777
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: So it's a little dated now because it was created many, many,

778
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: many years ago, but I still feel like if I

779
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: watched it today, I would still be fascinated by it.

780
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: It is so interesting. Step disagree.

781
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's scary. It's just honestly, it is too scary.

782
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I love but it's too scary to watch

783
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: it weekly.

784
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 7: It is scary, but it is. It was one of

785
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 7: the best things ever on television, and at the time

786
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 7: I was like frightened, like I didn't want to do

787
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 7: anything wrong. I would never cross the street because I'm like,

788
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 7: I don't want to go.

789
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 3: To do That's why you're such a great little rule

790
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: for it.

791
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 7: We all actually, wait, I know you'd love it.

792
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're right, and body, you're doubly you have

793
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 3: my number in terms of what I do.

794
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: You a kind of like the same thing. And then

795
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: Orange is the New Black Listen, Orange is the new

796
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: Black Is. I feel like it's made for men. Okay, Oh,

797
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 4: I really do.

798
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, Shams, Sam disagree. This is cotentious conversation. Sam,

799
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: what's what's doing in there? You do not agree?

800
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 8: No, I think it's the opposite Orange made for women.

801
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 8: Specific I mean.

802
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 4: Just the fact that like hyper sexualized. It's I feel

803
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: like it's made for men.

804
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I mean the fact that compared to OZ,

805
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 8: there's no like real trauma until like it's.

806
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 4: Like a minimum security prison.

807
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: It's like a white collar kind of crime.

808
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, to go, and then when they finally are in

809
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 8: a real prison and it's like, well I sort of.

810
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: Had spoiler alert, spoiler alert, Well let's watch OZ. I'll

811
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: give it as a sample.

812
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, you love it. I think I think you're actually

813
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 7: gonna like it, but.

814
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 3: Because you have to.

815
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: It's an experimental it's an experimental block in a maximum

816
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: security prison. And that's in a while because it's in

817
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 4: the Oswald Correctional Facility and the block that OZ is

818
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: it's it's all made up, is called Emerald City and

819
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 4: it's it's all pods.

820
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: It's different, it's different, it's a different kind of person.

821
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: And Christopher Maloney's.

822
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 7: If anything, just watching Maloneys.

823
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 5: All the time.

824
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: I don't know who it is. Yes, dun't do come

825
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: on as yes, I of course yeah, but yeah, yes,

826
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: that's right. Of course it's so good. Okay, that must

827
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: be ago or something, right, but there's a lot of

828
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: like really big stars in ohs. Actually it's very good,

829
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 3: but it was made like fifteen twenty years.

830
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 7: It's old time flying.

831
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: And perfect perfect.

832
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: But listen, okay, so oz that's our new material. Are

833
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: we done with Lori Vaalo and Chad day Bell? Get

834
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: them to bed on?

835
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 4: Can I just say, you know, I came into the

836
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 4: show and I think prior to the show, we had

837
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 4: a little meeting and I was talking to you guys

838
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: about how I felt really heavy right like the air

839
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 4: is heavy, you know, life is life is crazy right now,

840
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 4: the world is it? Like I feel like it's exploding.

841
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: And I just want to say, being here with you

842
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 4: guys right now and talking making fun of Lori Vallo

843
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 4: and Chad day Bell, I feel so much better. You

844
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 4: guys have made me feel so much better. I'm so

845
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: ye yes, my girls and my Taha and my Sam

846
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: and my Adam.

847
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 3: I'm just thank you very much.

848
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 4: I feel a little bit lighter, and I hope that

849
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: everyone else does too.

850
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 3: We could use it.

851
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: Welcome back to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

852
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker and I

853
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Speaker 2: head have KT Studios where we make true crime podcasts

854
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855
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Speaker 2: Idaho Massacre season three deep dive into all of the

856
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857
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863
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865
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: believe I buried the lead on this. This should have

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Speaker 2: been top of show Amanda Knox with us for an

867
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Speaker 2: entire hour this Thursday, The Amanda Knox. So remember Wednesday,

868
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869
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Speaker 2: of days catch up.

870
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 3: You know, the Hulu scripted series is very, very.

871
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: Good, and the original Amanda Knox documentary is really good.

872
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: Too, absolutely absolutely, so we really can talk about the

873
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 2: merits of all of this, but you might have a

874
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: question for Amanda. So if you want to have that answered,

875
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: obviously start leaving some talkbacks, or you could also join.

876
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: Us that night live. I have a big deal everybody.

877
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: So it's a huge, huge, yeah, And I mean the

878
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: twisted taiale of Amanda Knox, which she eped, is an

879
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 3: unbelievable watch. And just to just to remember the time,

880
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: i'd really, I'll be truthful, I'd forgotten just how pervasive

881
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: Amanda Knox was for a really large chunk of time

882
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: and just beginning to begin to understand what that would

883
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: have been. Like She's a nineteen year old girl, yeah

884
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: in Italy, not speaking the let you know, speaking a

885
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 3: bit of the language. And yeah, I'm really I'm excited.

886
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 2: And yeah, that opening will say, I know we're not

887
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 2: at Wednesday yet, but no, there's no spoiler here. But

888
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: when you watch the scripted series, that first few minutes

889
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: when Amanda's in the car with mom and dad and

890
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: they're driving I won't.

891
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 3: Say where, but woof's harrowing, it's dizzy ing, it's riveting.

892
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: I was so I really was sucked in from those

893
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: first few minutes.

894
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: I mnsa start watching it as soon as we're done.

895
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 3: I haven't started. It's okay, you have time, so we're

896
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: talking about it. I'm just kind of settling a great

897
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: experience for us to be able to talk to Ama Knox.

898
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: I'm excited about her.

899
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 4: I've been following there after many years, so this is

900
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 4: exciting for me personally.

901
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: So what we eighteen years because it was two thousand

902
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: and seven. It's a long time.

903
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah, yeah, wait, I think that's when it happened.

904
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 4: She was released to be wrong, No, I think it

905
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 4: was eighteen years ago.

906
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 3: I think so forever twenty one. I know, I know

907
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 3: I need to go run out, but I swear ten

908
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 3: years ago.

909
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah really, but yeah, I think so I

910
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 4: don't yeah, leave your U leave any I have to

911
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: go back right now.

912
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 3: Wait, that can't be. Amanda Knox was on trial. It

913
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: was a two thousand and seven is when the murder happened.

914
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 3: It absolutely mm hmm.

915
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: The documentaries and stuff didn't come out to like twenty

916
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 4: eleven or something like that.

917
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: So maybe that's what you're seven. Wow yeah, h yeah,

918
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: I guess that's the time warp.

919
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 4: We live in my I swear I graduated high school

920
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety one, and I swear it was ten

921
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: years ago.

922
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 3: I swear it was ten years. Does that ever change?

923
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: My mother says that that never goes away. I think

924
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 3: you always think you're thirty one. Yeah, I still think

925
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 3: I'm thirty or what was your ideal age? Thirty?

926
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, although I was going to be my best at

927
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 4: forty to be to be fair, but yeah, thirty.

928
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, I have some what was your now? I

929
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: want to know, Stephanie, what was your idea? I haven't

930
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 3: gotten there yet. I'm still I'm still I'm still I

931
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 3: love that still.

932
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 2: Head in that way. I'm still still heading toward my

933
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: banner year. I'll let you know, though it could be

934
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: maybe it's a year. Maybe it's right now, maybe it's wrong.

935
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: What about you? Court magic?

936
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 9: Now?

937
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 3: You know forty was actually good? That was the first.

938
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: That was the first year I was scared of my birthday.

939
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: I never had been. And I'm I'm lucky the way

940
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 3: my birthday falls that I'm about a year younger than

941
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 3: all of my very good friends. Yeah you know know

942
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: what I mean. And so I would see them and

943
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: they'd flip out. I'm going to turn twenty five, and

944
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, they made it. It's fine, I'm going to

945
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 3: turn thirty. And so I'd never had it. And then

946
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: I honestly thought on I was going to wake up

947
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: on my fortieth birthday needing like a cane and tryf goals.

948
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 3: I did it, but it was so wonderful and that

949
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: wasn't the case. And I remember it so clearly. It

950
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: was a Saturday and I went and I did it

951
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 3: early yoga and I had it. It was just a really

952
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 3: like healthy, wonderful celebratory and I was like, this, ame,

953
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 3: it's kind of great. That sounds kind of terrible. That's

954
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 3: how you spent your fortieth birthday was working out being

955
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 3: just in the morning. Well, because again i'd had this

956
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 3: weird Courtney Armstork. I know you better than this. I

957
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: mean I didn't say what happened that night. You have

958
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 3: a little prosecco to celebrate? Oh yeah, I mean the

959
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 3: bourbon was flowing that evening, but you know, a little

960
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: Noma stay to get it going, balance, balance, true, play hard, Yeah, exactly. Well,

961
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: I've got some headlines. We should probably get into it.

962
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 3: We should probably get into it.

963
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 4: So this one is from New Zealand saw all the

964
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 4: kiwis out there. I think I said that right, the

965
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 4: kiwis right, Yeah, and that's not derogatory. That's what they

966
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 4: call themselves. So, after nearly four years on the run,

967
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 4: fugitive New Zealand father Tom Phillips was fatally shot by

968
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 4: police following a burglary, and his three children, which he

969
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 4: snatched missing since twenty twenty one, were found safe. Thank god.

970
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,919
Speaker 2: Okay, unbelievable, So get this story is too much. He

971
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: disappeared with his three children in late twenty twenty one

972
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: after like an argument, and he like they disappeared off

973
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: into the woods and they went into the wilderness. It's

974
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: like crazy, he just he's arguing. They get to three

975
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: kids who were pretty young at the time, they were twelve,

976
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: ten and nine. After with their mom with you know,

977
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: he was fighting with their mom. He didn't have any

978
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: legal custody. He snatched them up and disappeared into the

979
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 2: wilderness and for nearly four years they lived off grid

980
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: in the dense forests of the Wacado region. I hope

981
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying that right, evading multiple multiple police searches and

982
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: public sightings. So they were hiding in the woods, living

983
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: off grid, and he's apparently breaking into houses to get

984
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: items to live on because they're living like you know,

985
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: cavemen for four years.

986
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: Three children. That's really unimaginable.

987
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: And they weren't hiding, No, Dad was holding them captive.

988
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: So yes, you know, of course dad had a.

989
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 2: Disagreement and his co parenting plan was a little out

990
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: of sync.

991
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 3: Is that accurate?

992
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: Yes, he was fighting with his ex, the mother of

993
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: these three beautiful children. This guy loses his mind and

994
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: instead of doing the right thing by his three children,

995
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: he decides to steal them right and go off into

996
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: the night where his kids are forced to live off

997
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: the land and the grid in unspeakable ways.

998
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: By the way, this is dangerous stuff. Think about it.

999
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: Four seasons, many many years. These are opportune times for

1000
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: them to be getting educations, having hobbies, being with friends. Know,

1001
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: they're just being held captive by crazy dad, right.

1002
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1003
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: So he's breaking into homes and apparently in one of

1004
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 4: these break ins just recently this month, that he got

1005
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 4: caught and there was a shootout and he was fatally injured.

1006
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: And thank god the police or the police did find

1007
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 4: the children. I'm not sure how they found the children

1008
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 4: because they were about two kilometers away, just pretty far so.

1009
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 4: But the police found the children and he was breaking

1010
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 4: into like a farm, like a grocery store kind of place,

1011
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: and thank god he found the kids.

1012
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 3: They were found unharmed. Thank goodness. Well, I mean after

1013
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 3: four years, that is you know, that's a shining light

1014
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: on that story.

1015
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so some good Well, I mean it's sad that

1016
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 4: the man died. I mean, I don't want anybody to

1017
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 4: be killed.

1018
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm sorry. I was focusing on the children.

1019
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: My mom is probably so happy to have children and

1020
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 3: even though a lot of setbacks they have to get

1021
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: through and a lot to catch up on.

1022
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 4: You know, well, the youngest was nine. Now he's a teenager.

1023
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 4: Four thing, I Ember. The name is Ember, so I'm

1024
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 4: not sure it's female or male, but I'm going to

1025
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 4: say he he's a teenager.

1026
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: Now, Oh, the poor thing. That's crazy time change.

1027
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: The kids are so resilient though, you know, they will

1028
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: catch up and they will learn so quickly and be

1029
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: back with people that love them and hats off.

1030
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 3: They're going to change the world.

1031
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 4: This is your crime tonight and iHeartRadio Linebody Moving here

1032
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 4: with Courtney Armstrong and Stephanie Liducker and we're just going

1033
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 4: over some headlines.

1034
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: Courtney, what do you got Ah. It's also a little

1035
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: bit of a bitter sweet. Lyle Menendez sent a really

1036
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 3: heartfelt message to the actor who played him in Monsters,

1037
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: the Lyle and Eric Menendez story. So he sent this

1038
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: message to Cooper Koch right before the Emmys which were

1039
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 3: last night, and in it, he praised his betrayal and

1040
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 3: urged him to focus on awareness over awards, and he said,

1041
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: the goal is not accolades. This is what Lyle Menendez wrote.

1042
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: The goal is to bring awareness. And the actor said

1043
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: that excuse me. He felt so fulfilled regardless of the outcome,

1044
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: and he said, I already feel like I've won a

1045
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,399
Speaker 3: thousand times over. So it's kind of nice that there's

1046
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 3: a little bit of a bond and goodwill. Even though,

1047
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 3: as we spoke about several weeks ago, when it happened

1048
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 3: both the Menenda's brother their recent bids for parole had

1049
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: been denied. Oh, we also do know that that's very

1050
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 3: common for it not to go your way the first time.

1051
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: So if you were in support to them getting out,

1052
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: there is still hope. And if you feel otherwise they

1053
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 3: are still behind bars. So that is what is happening

1054
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 3: with the Menendez brothers. And he Potch did not win,

1055
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 3: and the actor for Adolescence won last night, which was

1056
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: a really big deal.

1057
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: Again we keep talking about this, you know, upcoming podcast

1058
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: in Deep Dive. But Adolescence was a very dark, very

1059
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: dark series on Netflix, really beautifully done. It centers around

1060
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: in cells and these online hate groups and sort of

1061
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: the dark corners of a web and just how young

1062
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 2: young boys are, you know, being radicalized right under our noses.

1063
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 3: So it was wild that that was the big win

1064
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: last night.

1065
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 2: I think it does show a lot, you know, these

1066
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: these types of shows are putting a big spotlight onto

1067
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 2: some really important issues.

1068
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 4: Well and I think too it's hard to I think

1069
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 4: to it makes it more palatable for like the judge

1070
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 4: Eric in public to understand right when it's presented as

1071
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 4: a form of entertainment, to learn right, because like sitting

1072
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 4: here explaining you know, in cells and like chronically online culture,

1073
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 4: it's difficult to understand unless you experience it. But if

1074
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 4: you're watching a show about it or something, I can see,

1075
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 4: I can see why, you know, it's kind of riveting

1076
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 4: for people especially with all the headlines lately. You know,

1077
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 4: you know, if you've got you know, Nancy Pelosi or

1078
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 4: something who doesn't understand anything about anything online, she can

1079
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 4: you know, kind of get like a short primer on

1080
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 4: these kind of things from like watching these shows.

1081
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: And I'm not picking on Nancy Pelosi.

1082
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 4: I'm just saying in general, like the older generation who

1083
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Speaker 4: doesn't know anything about people who are chronically online. You know, anyway,

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Speaker 4: I think it's good. I have to have I haven't

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Speaker 4: seen it myself, but I'm oh, it's really good.

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Speaker 2: It's any wrong stuff, it's excellent in fact, and you know,

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Speaker 2: small team. Interesting the way they shot it, you know, infamous.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything that you guys don't already know

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Speaker 2: if you've watched it, but you know, the opening shots,

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Speaker 2: for example, it's all in one take, or these are

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Speaker 2: the episode the episodes areselves go you know, pretty much

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Speaker 2: one time. I mean, it's an astounding masterclass in terms

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Speaker 2: of acting as well, so you know, very nuanced, important

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Speaker 2: combo are we Sayscoo and e Bert.

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Speaker 3: I feel that or the guys that I don't watch

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Speaker 3: right now and report right back. We go live to

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Speaker 3: tah at the VMA is giving us some more music day.

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Speaker 4: Listen, don't tease him. He would love that.

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Speaker 2: He would be so dapper, so good, sharp, and assume

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Speaker 2: already don't let him flop that tux is ready to

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Speaker 2: be worn.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he can be like our correspondent at crime con

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Speaker 4: like going people or something I.

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Speaker 7: Want to I want to be a crime con with

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Speaker 7: the three of you with.

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Speaker 3: Recording. Yeah, this is TAHA on the scene.

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Speaker 4: I've got some updates from.

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Speaker 7: Something with a yellow tape on it, like I just

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Speaker 7: want to make it a theme.

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Speaker 5: Like I'll do the whole thing so.

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Speaker 3: Yellow the lapel allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, he would be

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Speaker 3: so good, So really it is a lost calling. Like

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Speaker 3: you also could have been an e true you know, correspondent,

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Speaker 3: and I can respond it.

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Speaker 7: That would have been there's another call.

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Speaker 3: Uning door and doors that are opening.

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Speaker 7: Now there you go. I love that, and you know,

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Speaker 7: I just want to go back real quick. But Lessons

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Speaker 7: was another one of the best things I've ever seen.

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Speaker 7: I know I said earlier phenomenal, but you would absolutely

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Speaker 7: love it. I think it's only four episodes, but it's

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Speaker 7: correct the way it shot, the storyline, everything about it.

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Speaker 5: I highly recommend it.

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Speaker 3: So, okay, you do the dad write it. Also the

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Speaker 3: man who played he conceived it. Yeah, yeah, wrote the

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Speaker 3: whole thing. I mean this is like talent. I mean

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Speaker 3: this group masterclass and body made. Even though you haven't

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Speaker 3: yet seen Adolescents on Netflix. You made a really good

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Speaker 3: point about making in cell culture really palatable because you

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Speaker 3: are seeing it through these really personal I mean, it

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01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 3: is small, this is small cast, and the boy who

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Speaker 3: won was unbelievable, and you just see the juxtaposition of

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Speaker 3: what ultimately happened, and then you see his room with

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Speaker 3: Peddy Bears in it, and Stephen Graham, the actor, did beautifully.

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming something bad happens because you said that. He okay,

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Speaker 3: I can.

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Speaker 4: I can ascertain what happens just from that. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to give you any spoilers coming up,

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01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 4: so I'm just going to stay coming up, stay tuned

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Speaker 4: True Crime Tonight, No spoilers coming up. We're going to

1141
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 4: unpack this week's biggest cases and we're going to be here.

1142
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 4: Ask me you keep it right here. True Crime Tonight.

1143
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 4: We're talking true crime all the time.

1144
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1145
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here tonight

1146
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: of course with Courtney Armstrong and body move in. So

1147
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: we have yet another story to again maybe channel our

1148
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 2: anxiety toward. But before we do that, just a quick

1149
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Speaker 2: reminder tomorrow Talk Back Tuesday, Talk Back Tuesday, So start

1150
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: leaving them now and Amanda Knox live in the studio

1151
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: for one full hour on Thursday. So if you have

1152
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 2: any questions or you know, hit us up on our

1153
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: socials at True Crime Tonight's show on Instagram and TikTok,

1154
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: or at True Crime Tonight on Facebook, or the talkbacks,

1155
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 2: or you know listen. There is a million ways to

1156
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: leave us a message at this point, so if you

1157
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 2: have one for Amanda will be sure to get to it.

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Speaker 3: And then this Brian Walsh case, here we are. We're

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Speaker 3: going back. We're going back to procter Land, Karen Reid,

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Speaker 3: Proctor Land, We're going back to Boston, and here we are.

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Speaker 3: This guy is trouble, okay, Brian Walsh. He is awaiting

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Speaker 3: trial for allegedly murdering and dismembering his wife Anna Walsh.

1163
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Speaker 3: So he is back in the news because he was

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Speaker 3: stabbed in jail right before his trial is set to begin.

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Speaker 3: And Walsh is accused of this horrible murder on New

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Speaker 3: Year's Day twenty twenty three, and he then attempted to

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Speaker 3: cover it up through all these crazy, disturbing means. He

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Speaker 3: did online searches, he had surveillance purchases, and allegedly disposed

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Speaker 3: of her body. His trial is scheduled for October, and

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Speaker 3: the case it's drawn some real national attention because it

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Speaker 3: is so violent.

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Speaker 2: Got do you dismember your wife? He didn't just toss

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Speaker 2: away her body. I just think we have to be

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Speaker 2: a little bit more clear. Graphic trigger alert. He dismembered

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Speaker 2: her body.

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Speaker 3: In fact, he dismembered her body and was doing like

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Speaker 3: surveillance on one of his kid's iPads, I might add,

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Speaker 3: And when they found body parts in various locations, one

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Speaker 3: of them was to buy his own mother's dumpster. So

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Speaker 3: this guy's a real piece of work.

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Speaker 2: And if you're looking at photos of them, of which

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Speaker 2: there are many and happier times, you know, it just

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Speaker 2: goes to show you social media can be so tricky. Right,

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Speaker 2: They look so happy, he looks so lovely. There's flowers

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01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: in front of him, you know, so she obviously received

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Speaker 2: flowers from him. There's a cake all the time. They're

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Speaker 2: celebrating an anniversary, even before her murder.

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Speaker 3: This just popped up, which is so creepy.

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Speaker 2: My phone is for sure listening. Wow, twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: What a year. This is what she wrote on New

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Speaker 2: Year's Eve. By the way, she goes missing hours later.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, so just to hear it direct quote.

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Speaker 2: Wow twenty twenty dot dot dot what a year. Exclamation point.

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Speaker 2: And yet we are still here together exclamation point. Let's

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Speaker 2: make twenty twenty three the best one yet. Exclamation point.

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Speaker 2: We are the author of our loves, of our lives courage, love, perseverance,

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Speaker 2: compassion and joy. Love Anna, and this psychopath allegedly allegedly

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Speaker 2: allegedly murders her the next day and dismembers her body.

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Speaker 3: Is they have kids together?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, In fact, he's using one of the kids iPads

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Speaker 2: left and right, which is why they caught the clown.

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Speaker 2: And he has the nerve And this is what they

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Speaker 2: were doing on New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 3: That is so throw and terrible and sad. That message

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Speaker 3: that this woman wrote. I mean, she was message on

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Speaker 3: love right, and she's so beautiful and he's like, they

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Speaker 3: look like a really lovely, happy couple. And it wasn't

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Speaker 3: the selling like fake faith war Yeah, he.

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Speaker 2: Was a total liar and a crook and a con

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Speaker 2: and now a killer allegedly.

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Speaker 3: Right. So, according to the court filings, this happened just

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Speaker 3: days before her disappearance, Anna had told a friend. She

1213
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Speaker 3: mentioned it to a friend who was in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: That she worried her husband, Brian would soon be incarcerated

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Speaker 3: and that was for art fraud. So this guy was

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Speaker 3: a fraud on many levels allegedly in that he was

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Speaker 3: he was accused of that. I think that actually he

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Speaker 3: was convicted of he was selling fake. He was legit

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Speaker 3: selling fake.

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Speaker 2: By the way, who's fake of all the art to

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Speaker 2: try to like fake even I know in Andy Warhol,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, there's probably some many

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Speaker 2: more obsolete artists that you could try to get one

1224
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Speaker 2: over on. This guy was trying to sell Andy Warhol

1225
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Speaker 2: photos or.

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Speaker 3: Right, and he works of art. He was getting ready

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Speaker 3: to go to jail for that, I think, wasn't he.

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Speaker 3: I think that that that. I think he was getting

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Speaker 3: ready to go to jail.

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Speaker 4: And she her job was split between their home in Massachusetts,

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Speaker 4: and she had to work in Washington, d C. And

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Speaker 4: I think she was planning on taking the kids to

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Speaker 4: d C when he went.

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Speaker 3: To jail, that's right. And she had told a friend

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Speaker 3: who said that that Anna was uncharacteristically very emotional and

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Speaker 3: extremely upset, and that again she was planning to move

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Speaker 3: with her three children. Trying to get out in the

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Speaker 3: middle of the night. Is what that sounds like.

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Speaker 2: Also, just imagine how scary that must be, that you know,

1240
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 2: maybe you're maybe you know your husband's a con and

1241
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 2: going to prison. But maybe she had a sixth sense.

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Speaker 4: Maybe she did, but it did so noting that he

1243
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Speaker 4: bought the tools to dismember her beforehand.

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Speaker 3: So it was premeditated, that's right. It wasn't like a

1245
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Speaker 3: spur of the moment thing. Was I lured her into

1246
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Speaker 3: a great New Year's Eve? I might have write, yeah, right,

1247
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Speaker 3: I think it was totally planned you and Stephanie. You

1248
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 3: had mentioned Brian's mother, So just a very brief timeline.

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01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 3: December twenty sixth, so this is you know, about a

1250
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 3: week before Anna's alleged murder, Brian's mother hired a private

1251
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 3: investigator to surveil Anna and apparently that was at Brian's request,

1252
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 3: so his mother's embroiled. And then two days later, on

1253
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Speaker 3: the twenty eighth, she On that day she tells her

1254
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: friend that indeed she plans to leave Brian with her kids.

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Speaker 3: And then when she is last seen on January first,

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Speaker 3: Brian then claims that she left for some imaginary flight

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Speaker 3: to DC. And then the next couple of days January

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01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 3: the first to the third, Brian's allegedly he's making all

1259
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 3: these incriminated Google searches and visiting stores to buy cleaning supplies,

1260
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 3: full body suits, buckets, a hatchet clan bought a hatchet

1261
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Speaker 3: for his the mother of his children, that's right. And

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 3: then it was in the middle of January Brian was

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 3: arrested for misleading police, and later that month, so in

1264
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Speaker 3: the same month he is charged with murder and improperly

1265
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 3: transporting a human body, and indeed, while he was waiting.

1266
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Speaker 3: While he was waiting to come up on charges, he

1267
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 3: has also been sentenced to thirty seven months in federal

1268
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 3: prison for the art fraud we spoke about. So this

1269
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 3: child will be happening. October twentieth is when jury selection

1270
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 3: is scheduled to begin and we're going to hear Michael

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Speaker 3: Proctor's name. Really.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I just to refresh your memory. Karen Reid,

1273
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 2: the infamous case where doctor was the lead investigator who

1274
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 2: got passed because you know, he was he was sitting

1275
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:55,719
Speaker 2: inappropriate texts and you know, all kinds of wacky stuff.

1276
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 2: Not to go back too far in time, but yeah,

1277
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Speaker 2: I guess he was investigating this case too.

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01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 4: He's the lead investigator. Oh my god, this better not backfire.

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01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 3: Oh well, it appears. I mean, listen, you know he

1280
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:11,480
Speaker 3: was lead investigator and Karen Reid, and you know obviously

1281
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:16,440
Speaker 3: he has been suspended without pay after all the nastinessue

1282
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 3: referencing with Karen Reid, Stephanie and indeed Walsh's defense. They're

1283
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 3: reviewing thousands of pages of records also images that are

1284
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 3: tied to Practic's investigation, including handwritten notes, and it seems

1285
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 3: like the Norfolk DA might hire an external firm to

1286
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 3: evaluate what data on Practor's seized phone is discoverable. It's

1287
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 3: always a technicality.

1288
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 2: That's why this sloppy carry is the worst, because yeah,

1289
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 2: people get off the island.

1290
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 3: People get off.

1291
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 2: Because of these types of technicalities. But didn't he wasn't

1292
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: he wearing like a hazmat suit when he was tiaturing her?

1293
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 3: And her DNA is on said suit. That's correct, that's

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Speaker 3: all right. So yeah, that type X suit was found

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01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 3: or said near Brian's mother's house with Annie Dear's mom

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Speaker 3: on it. And then this is this is kind of curious.

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Speaker 3: Key evidence hasn't been tested due to disputes over who's

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01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:18,440
Speaker 3: supposed to pay for the private lab processing because apparently

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Speaker 3: once these tests happen, the samples will be destroyed. So

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Speaker 3: I'm curious to dig into that as we get closer

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01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 3: to see what what exactly the dispute is. I've never

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01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 3: heard something quite like that.

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01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: So anyway, that mom like, he tells his mother to

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01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: hire a private investigator. Poor Anna, can you imagine you're

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01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 2: trying to hold down two different jobs. You're a full

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01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 2: time mom and wife in one city, and you're going

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01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: to your job in DC, trying to hold down all

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 2: of these things, and your mother in law has someone

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 2: trailing you for your psychotic husband who's a thief and

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01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: a con who's trying to sell artwork on the black market,

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01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: and now butchers you. And now mom is like, well

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Speaker 2: it wear's mom in the mix.

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Speaker 4: Right, This is True Crime Tonight at n iHeartRadio, where

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01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 4: we talk true crime all the time. I'm body moving

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01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 4: and I'm here with Stephanie Leidecker and Courtney Armstrong and

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01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 4: we're kind of getting into the weeds here a little

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 4: bit about the Brian Walsh case. And one thing I

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01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 4: want to talk about is is google searches. Courtney oh brutal.

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01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 4: So his Google searches. He used his son's iPad. And

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01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 4: here's some of the Google searches he did. Hack saw

1321
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 4: best tool to dismember? How long before a body starts

1322
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 4: to smell? How to dispose of one hundred and fifteen

1323
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 4: pound woman's body. Now he's using his little son's iPad, okay,

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 4: to do these searches about dismembering his mother's body. The

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 4: son's mother. You know, it's just a sperable. And remember

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 4: she went. She was last scene on January first, right,

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01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 4: And he's starting to make these searches between the first

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01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 4: and the third. So her body is somewhere in the home,

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01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 4: I'm not sure where. And he's like, how long before

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Speaker 4: this starts to smell?

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01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 3: I mean, he's.

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01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 4: Googling this before he dismembers her.

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01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 3: It's hers. Is this guy?

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01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 2: How disgusting and dumb is this man? I feel enraged?

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01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 3: No, well, sure these salient details to this, you know,

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01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 3: alleged crime. We don't know. It hasn't gone to court.

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01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 3: But this information may not see the inside of a

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01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 3: court room because when officials searched the house, it was

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01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 3: done before a search oriente was issued. Yeah, it's when

1340
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 3: the case was a missing person's case. And so Walsh's

1341
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 3: attorneys are fighting saying, you shouldn't be able to present

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 3: this data that the trooper has gathered because potentially it

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,799
Speaker 3: went beyond the scope of what Walsh gave them consent

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Speaker 3: to search. And again, they didn't have a warrant for it.

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Speaker 4: So, just so everybody knows, when you when you go

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01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 4: before a judge, when you go before a judge for

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 4: a search warrant, you have to be very specific about

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01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 4: what you're looking for, and the search warrant itself will

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01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 4: state that you're not allowed to take things that are

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01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 4: outside of that scope. Correct, And that's their argument is

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01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 4: that there was no search warrant and Brian Walsh gave

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01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 4: consent for them to enter the home and search, and

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Speaker 4: they just took things willing illy is what they're saying.

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,799
Speaker 3: Well, that's what they're yes, that is what the defense,

1355
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 3: that's what it is, a bottom line alleging. But then

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01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 3: the state they've argued that the searches were within the

1357
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 3: scope of the law and they said that Walsh freely

1358
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:49,520
Speaker 3: voluntarily consented to the searches of these three digital devices.

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01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 3: So it's attle.

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01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 4: Hopefully there's some documentation of that, like sign off.

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01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 3: Like go ahead, or a video of when they came.

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01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 3: I don't know that'd be a good bodycam something like that,

1363
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 3: but you know this will be one to watch. The

1364
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,799
Speaker 3: surveillance footage. You can see Brian and Lowe's he's allegedly

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01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 3: purchasing those cleaning supplies and the plastic suits, and then

1366
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 3: you also see him with a heavy looking black trash

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01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 3: bag into that dumpster and the items that belong to Anna.

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01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 3: It's boots, a Prota bag, and a vaccine card that

1369
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 3: we're all recovered from these crash facilities. So you know,

1370
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of physical evidence and the charge is

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01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 3: first degree murder.

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Speaker 2: I throw again death sentence. I don't know what to say.

1373
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 2: He should be on death row. I don't even know

1374
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 2: how I believe about death. But I think death Row

1375
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 2: sounds very bad, and it.

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01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 4: Looks like the defense strategy is going to be centered

1377
01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 4: kind of around, you know, particularly attacking Trooper Proctor.

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01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 2: Yes, this is super intense. I mean, he is the

1379
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: world's worst husband, imaginable. I mean, Chad Dave Bell, this

1380
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 2: is we should just name this the Night of terrible say.

1381
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: Nasty husband night or despeakable husband.

1382
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 2: There's so many great husbands out there, but these two

1383
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 2: are not them.

1384
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,719
Speaker 3: No, no, they absolutely are not them.

1385
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 4: So anyway, so the trial is gonna the trial is

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01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,600
Speaker 4: going to be happening in October, right, correct, So we

1387
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 4: need to watch this. We need to watch this trial.

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01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 4: We need to of course, is it gonna be televised?

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01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: Do we know? I don't know if it's going to

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01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 3: be televised, but I do know that Judge Bev will

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01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 3: not be the judge. She will not give me a

1392
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 3: heart attack. No, the judge is going to be Diane

1393
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 3: uh Prenier. I'm definitely mispronouncing that name, but it will

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01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 3: not be Judge Bev, who, of course was Karen Reid's judge.

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01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: Brian Walsh somehow looks a little familiar to me when

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01:15:58,439 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 2: I'm looking at his photographs.

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01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 3: I don't know why. He sort of a little bit

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01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 3: looks like Simon man Jack. Brittany Oh Bears not Britney Spears.

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01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 2: They were married and then they both died of an

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: unusual death because there was some sort of Brittany she

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01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 2: used to do.

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01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 3: We did, yeah, Brittany Murphy, I did ye. Speaking of story,

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01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 3: I did that. Yeah, yeah, he does. He kind of

1404
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 3: looks like Simon Manjack. We're gonna have to cover that later.

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01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 4: But coming up, we're going to be getting into some

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01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 4: of the top headlines and we're going to be hearing

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Speaker 4: from you keep it right here True Crime Tonight, We're talking.

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01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 3: True crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

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01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong, a body move in and listening. You'll remember

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01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 2: last week we were starting to pay it forward for heroes.

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01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: So my hero was Whitney Galloway. We spoke to her

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01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 2: last week and then Whitney Galloway gave us her hero

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01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 2: and her hero is Kyle, her husband, who's just a

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01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 2: delightful father and husband, being deployed serving our country, working

1417
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 2: in law enforcement, I mean, the real deal. So we

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01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 2: have a little message from him, and then Kyle's going

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01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 2: to pick his hero, and you see how this game goes.

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01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 2: Every week we have another segment with the new hero.

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01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 3: I love spreading goodness and hope and joy because man,

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01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 3: we could all use a little bit of it now, please, right,

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01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 3: And really, Kyle couldn't be more deserving. As Stephanie said,

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01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 3: We've had the real pleasure in honor of meeting him

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01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 3: and just what a stand up, solid human being. So

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01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 3: I love this.

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01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's many Kyles out there, right, so there are

1428
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: more heroes than we know. So we're starting this like

1429
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 2: six degrees of separation of true crime tonight, or maybe

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01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 2: it's six to six degrees of connection true crime tonight.

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01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 2: I like it nice, So yeah, we play? Can we

1432
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 2: play Kyle's.

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01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, I spoke with him earlier today, so let's just

1434
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 7: jump in and have everyone listen.

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:28,440
Speaker 5: To our conversation.

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01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 3: Love it Kyle.

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01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 7: For listeners who may not know you yet, can you

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01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 7: tell us a little about yourself and the role you've

1439
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 7: played in Whitney's journey.

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01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 9: Well, I've been married to Whitney for going on nine years.

1441
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 9: We have two children together. Really just been trying to

1442
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 9: be there for helping her adjust and whatever she needs.

1443
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 7: Really well, clearly you have been doing that because Whitney

1444
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 7: spoke very highly about you when she was on our

1445
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 7: show not too long ago. She said that you or

1446
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 7: her hero. How does it feel to hear that Whitney

1447
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 7: described you that way as her hero?

1448
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 9: It's definitely it's heartwarming, I guess to know that somebody

1449
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 9: thinks of you in that way.

1450
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 7: I'm curious do you see yourself as a hero. Is

1451
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 7: there another way that you think about the part you've

1452
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 7: played in Whitney's story.

1453
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 9: I don't see myself as a hero. No, I just

1454
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 9: see myself really as just a husband trying to be

1455
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 9: there for a spouse or a friend, just trying to

1456
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,520
Speaker 9: help them through one over difficult times.

1457
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 7: In your view, what does it mean to truly show

1458
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 7: up for a spouse or someone you love during their

1459
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 7: hardest moments and how did you find the strength to

1460
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 7: do that for Whitney?

1461
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 9: What I think it means to truly show up for

1462
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 9: somebody is it doesn't have to be like physically show up.

1463
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 9: It just you could be there for any sort of support,

1464
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 9: whether it be a text message, or a phone call

1465
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 9: for being there.

1466
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 7: Clearly you have had a major impact on her. And

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01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 7: as you may have known from what she told you

1468
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 7: about the show, we're going to sort of do this

1469
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,880
Speaker 7: paying it forward kind of momentum. And since this is

1470
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 7: talking to someone's hero, we'd love to know who your

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01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 7: hero is and why.

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Speaker 9: My hero would probably have to be Aaron Garcia. He's

1473
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,839
Speaker 9: a good friend of mine. We went through basic training

1474
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 9: together years ago, and you know, we still talk to

1475
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 9: this day. He's living in Kansas and I live in Ohio,

1476
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 9: but we still talk to this day. Currently, he's getting

1477
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 9: ready to be shipped overseas with the military as well

1478
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 9: as I am, so he's going through the same things.

1479
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 9: And he's just somebody that if I have a difficult time,

1480
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 9: or if I just need somebody to talk to, he's

1481
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 9: always going to answer the phone. He's always going to

1482
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 9: respond back at some point.

1483
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 7: Do you know when he's deployed.

1484
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,520
Speaker 9: He'll be going in December.

1485
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 7: In December, okay, so we'll make sure we reach out

1486
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 7: to him before that. And I just want to wish

1487
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 7: you all the best and we thank you again, all right,

1488
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 7: I appreciate it.

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01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 2: I mean, listening on the night of all nights when

1490
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 2: we were just talking about these dastardly dads and terrible husbands,

1491
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 2: a reminder of how many great ones there are. There's

1492
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 2: so many wonderful men serving this country. By the way,

1493
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 2: we have to know, we have to interview him next week,

1494
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,520
Speaker 2: not before December.

1495
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 5: Okay, that.

1496
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 7: Is every week.

1497
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 3: Okay, it's not quarterly like.

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01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 7: We should do so every nice to cover though. I'll

1499
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 7: push it out.

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Speaker 5: We'll push it. There's so many we haven't.

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01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 7: So amazing. Yeah, it was a great conversation with him,

1502
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 7: and I love this idea. So just continuing to show

1503
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 7: heroes because we talk about a lot of that's dark people,

1504
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,759
Speaker 7: awful people, so it's nice to hear the polar opposite.

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01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 5: So I keeping that going.

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01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 4: I like how I said he was her friend to

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Speaker 4: you guys can't see me, but I mean, you guys can,

1508
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 4: but the audience can't. I was sitting here like making

1509
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 4: like crying face because because I was like, well, this

1510
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 4: is a good cry.

1511
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 3: We all need a Kyle. Everybody needs a Kyle to

1512
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 3: lay on right and to be a good friend and

1513
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 3: someone that you can talk honestly to. And yeah, working

1514
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 3: in law enforcement and again being deployed. You know, we

1515
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 3: just we have to remember you know, it's not you know,

1516
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 3: people who are serving us. And then also the families

1517
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 3: that have to kind of hold out the fort while

1518
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 3: they're away. It's it's so intense, so big love to

1519
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 3: Kyle in Kansas. Here we come.

1520
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: So next week I guess we'll do the Kansas edition

1521
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 2: and then okay, I'll.

1522
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 3: Pay it forward.

1523
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm going to keep it going.

1524
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll come full circles beautifully. Maybe maybe Courtney is

1525
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 4: somebody hero. You never know, it's more likely to be

1526
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 4: a hero.

1527
01:22:55,680 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 7: That's why they stop it. How great is this team?

1528
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 7: I love this? Yes, and I'm speaking of great. We've

1529
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 7: got some great talkbacks. And there's one I've been dying

1530
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 7: to get to Sam and Adam. Can we do this one?

1531
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 6: This is a question for Taha and everybody in the

1532
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 6: Brown booth. I was curious what the best type of

1533
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 6: talkback is to try to make sure that it does

1534
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 6: get answered or get on air. I was curious if

1535
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 6: something for the moment during the middle of a segment

1536
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 6: is better, or to do something a little bit more

1537
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 6: random that you can bring back on a Tuesday.

1538
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 3: What a good question. Yes, let's take back, gentlemen, give

1539
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:43,799
Speaker 3: us the scoop.

1540
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that is that is a good one. I mean,

1541
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,680
Speaker 7: I'm going to start off by saying, any talkback is

1542
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 7: a good talkback because we love hearing from all of

1543
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,560
Speaker 7: our listeners and what they think about the stories recovering.

1544
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 7: I should say not every talkback, but but you know,

1545
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 7: in general, we like get as many as possible, so

1546
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 7: we want to hear from you. My favorite are the

1547
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 7: ones that I think work the best are sometimes if

1548
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 7: someone has an opposing view to what we've been covering,

1549
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 7: because we tend to all be in sync and we.

1550
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 5: Hear a lot of similar views on things.

1551
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 7: So if someone has, you know, an opposite side of

1552
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 7: what we're talking about, I'm open to it.

1553
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 3: Like me too.

1554
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 7: You know, lately this has come up a lot with

1555
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 7: everything we're seeing in the news, and I'm hearing a

1556
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 7: lot of negative things. Sometimes it helps to be a

1557
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 7: little open and hear everything. Makes me a better person,

1558
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 7: maybe makes.

1559
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 5: Me grow a little bit more. So I'm open to those.

1560
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 4: I always seem to learn the most when I'm arguing

1561
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 4: with somebody about something, or you know what I mean,

1562
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 4: like agree in a professional way, not in a mean

1563
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 4: spirited way. But like when you're debating somebody, I always

1564
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 4: tend to learn the most. So I like those two

1565
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 4: ta I think those are great.

1566
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I love the ones where they, you know,

1567
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 7: praise how good we're doing. But that's that's a whole

1568
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 7: another story. It's what about you? What are your favorite?

1569
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 7: Which ones do you think work best?

1570
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 5: Because we do.

1571
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 4: My favorite this is body. My favorite talkbacks are ones

1572
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 4: are asking questions about evidence and timelines and you know, things,

1573
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 4: things that I really kind of like to dive deep into.

1574
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 3: I really like timelines.

1575
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 4: I don't know why, but I really do it kind

1576
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 4: of like, you know, this is what was going on

1577
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 4: when he decided to murder, Like this was what was

1578
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 4: happening in his life, those kinds of things. I like

1579
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 4: detail oriented talkbacks. That's me though, What about you, Steph.

1580
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 2: We have so many smart listeners, which is really exciting

1581
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 2: because you know, we get these talkbacks and it does

1582
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 2: it shifts your perspective a little bit. And I think

1583
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 2: that's why we're all so into these crime conversations again,

1584
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 2: just because it's really interesting to look at a case

1585
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 2: through different perspectives. You know, we can all agree that

1586
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 2: this is bad and this act is horrible, but how

1587
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,680
Speaker 2: did we get here? And seeing it from you know,

1588
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: different angles, I feel like it's shaped a lot of

1589
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 2: the things. A lot of the cases that we follow

1590
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: full time and long term oftentimes come from listeners.

1591
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah that's true. But so I also with TAHA, I mean,

1592
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 3: they're all so welcome. Just the engagement is so it's

1593
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 3: just so lovely that there's a back and forth instead

1594
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 3: of sort of speaking into a void. So that's really affirming.

1595
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 3: And I love when we get you know, there's a

1596
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 3: case someone mentions that we didn't know and that we

1597
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 3: then end up doing Stephanie. So I love those. And

1598
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 3: also when someone comes in with details of something we were, say,

1599
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 3: talking about on a Wednesday and then Thursday there's talkbacks

1600
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 3: and there's little pieces to the puzzle exactly. It is

1601
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 3: so gratifying and eye opening. Uh So yeah, I like

1602
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 3: those too.

1603
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 4: Now from a technical perspective, let's hear what Sam and

1604
01:26:52,920 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 4: Adam have to say, like, because we don't talk, I know, well,

1605
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 4: what are you say the ones that come in before

1606
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 4: the show, because that's we can stack it.

1607
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 3: Well, they all, well, we'll look through them all.

1608
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 10: When the first thing Sam and I do when we

1609
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 10: come into the studio is look through all the new

1610
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 10: talkbacks and uh and I will say most most every

1611
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 10: talkback gets through onto the air. And uh, I don't

1612
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 10: want I don't want to dissuade anyone or scare anyone

1613
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 10: with technical sounding stuff.

1614
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 3: But uh, on the iHeart you can.

1615
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 10: You know, you go up to the top right hand corner,

1616
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 10: there's the little record button. You can press that and

1617
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 10: then you can listen back to your talkbacks. So if

1618
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 10: you feel insecure about how you sounded or anything, you

1619
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 10: can go back and listen to what you did. But yeah,

1620
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 10: it's a cool uh feature. They make it real easy.

1621
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 10: But we love all the talkbacks. I mean, they're all

1622
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 10: great as long as they're uh they're about true crime

1623
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 10: and uh you by the way.

1624
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 2: They could be a little love stories. Send us some

1625
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 2: good messages of nice little events that are happening in

1626
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 2: your life. We could widen the net a little bit,

1627
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: just kind of softened the load.

1628
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 3: Is a community right where the doing. You know, a

1629
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 3: lot of dark talk. We could hear some happy talk too.

1630
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:12,799
Speaker 3: By the way, Sam and Adam.

1631
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 2: The only way they don't air is if there's like

1632
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 2: a glitch or something from an audio perspective, that kind

1633
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 2: of thing.

1634
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 4: Do you guys remember when the show first started and

1635
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 4: we would come in and the first thing we would

1636
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 4: ask how many talkbacks we have? That so excited, Like

1637
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 4: one day we had looked three and we were just like.

1638
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god, we have three. We three listeners.

1639
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I was so like blown out,

1640
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 4: I couldn't lend the the next day or whatever, it

1641
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 4: was like eleven and I was.

1642
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 3: Like, Semini are high fiving in the control room.

1643
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 4: Like it's so exciting, and you know, like we really

1644
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 4: are trying to build a community, right, so like we

1645
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 4: have regulars. I think we have regulars that leave talkbacks, Yes,

1646
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 4: and we want you to become a regular. We want

1647
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 4: you out there to become a regular. Just one big

1648
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 4: coffee clutch. Yeah, and let us know, heye I met

1649
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 4: a girl, or I met a guy, or I'm getting engaged,

1650
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm pregnant, I'm gonna have a baby,

1651
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 4: Like let us know. We want to know what's going

1652
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:07,679
Speaker 4: on in your.

1653
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 3: Life, right exactly exactly if we are all around at

1654
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 3: dinner table together.

1655
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 4: All around the kitchen table, Katie right by the way,

1656
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 4: how great, Adam, you did a great explanation on that.

1657
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 3: That was the best talkback explanation.

1658
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:22,719
Speaker 5: Yep.

1659
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 3: I luckily we're recording it. We should put this also

1660
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 3: on the infamous website.

1661
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 10: I went to college for this. I went to college

1662
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 10: for radio, so I know all about this stuff. Did

1663
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 10: you explain it to anybody?

1664
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh wow?

1665
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 3: Also big radio broadcasting backgrounds. Okay, that's right.

1666
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 4: So you know when I when I was in high school,

1667
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 4: I wanted to be a DJ for k ron Oh yeah, really,

1668
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 4: I wanted to.

1669
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 7: Be a DJ.

1670
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 3: You never did college radio or anything? No? I never

1671
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 3: did college. No, No, I was a burnout computer science.

1672
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,760
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you're degree is.

1673
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 4: My my my degree is actually not in computer science.

1674
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 4: It's information technology. Okay, still inst you know me?

1675
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what about Utaha?

1676
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 7: I was communications and my minor in public relations, so totally.

1677
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 3: I was going to considering.

1678
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 7: Are you considering?

1679
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? I want to get my master's in criminology.

1680
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 7: Oh what about you and stephan Court?

1681
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 3: What about Stephanie? I know where you went Yukon baby.

1682
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 2: I went to the University of Connecticut and I studied

1683
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 2: English and psychology.

1684
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 4: Psychology, No wonder you're into true crime.

1685
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 3: Happens in the background. I did. I did play. I

1686
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:50,919
Speaker 3: did a bunch of writing, so it was two majors.

1687
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 3: I did not surprising, uh, playwriting, and then film and

1688
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 3: theater studies, and then I got my master's in a

1689
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 3: thing called professional writing. You went to the USC, I did.

1690
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm impressed. You're very smart. She's a

1691
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 3: very impressive woman, doesn't she day very impressive. I don't

1692
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:15,679
Speaker 3: think I could have gotten into USC. I gotten UNIV though,

1693
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 3: but I don't think I can us well for what

1694
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 3: is where there's no universe where I'm doing information technology.

1695
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 3: So we all have our different things. I love you

1696
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 3: can see all the pieces like psychology and how you're

1697
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 3: so interested in that, Stephanie, and then top in pr

1698
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 3: you're the most diplomatic person I've ever met in my life,

1699
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 3: like in the best way.

1700
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 4: So you know, I I've been looking at going to

1701
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 4: back to school, but you know, I've got two jobs.

1702
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 4: I'm not sure where I'm going to fit that in,

1703
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 4: but I have been looking at it for a couple

1704
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 4: of months now, So we'll see.

1705
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,560
Speaker 3: We all like live in a dorm at the university.

1706
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 4: Back to school I would do on the home on.

1707
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 3: I was also I mentioned this tught thinking of linguistics,

1708
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 3: so I don't know, we'll have to bear. It's more

1709
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 3: of a price thing. But I'm like, maybe we can

1710
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 3: be study partners, the study buddies, get a couple of

1711
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 3: masters up in here. Yeah. No, seriously, I really have

1712
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 3: been concerning it. Well, you guys are very accomplished, and

1713
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 3: what an honor to get to be here with you guys,

1714
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 3: and listen, anyone listening. We want to again hear from you.

1715
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 3: Those talkbacks. Great question.

1716
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: You can leave them all night, Yeah, all night, all day.

1717
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 2: There is no wrong answer. Thank you for being with us.

1718
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,639
Speaker 2: This is true Crime Tonight. We're back tomorrow for talk

1719
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:29,839
Speaker 2: back Tuesday, Amanda Knox Thursday.

1720
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 3: Stay safe out there. This is true Crime Tonight