1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,719 Speaker 2: This is the almost Famous podcast, and we are back. 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: We are back with our wonderful guest co host Rachel. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 3: Hello, Welcome, Hello, Ben, Hi everyone. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: Ashley will be back next week, she is telling us, 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: so if all goes well, which we hope it does, 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: she will be. 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 4: Back with us. 10 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: But we have an incredible, filling guest with us today 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: and we're gonna start out, Rachel, We're talking about two 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: big things in Bachelor Nation before we get into the 13 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: breakdown of this episode. 14 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 4: We are going to do both today. 15 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: Because there isn't a lot happening in Bachelor Nation, but 16 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: there's two pretty big stories that we thought we had 17 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: to talk about. The first one is this Jed Wyatt 18 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: got married. He got married this last weekend. The quote 19 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: is this the best day of our lives and the 20 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: beginning of this new chapter together. All right, Rachel, I 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: don't even know if you watched that season of The Bachelorette? 22 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 4: Did you? 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: I did. It's been a while though. All I know 24 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 3: is I had a lot of similarities to her ending, 25 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 3: but very happy for Jed. Of course, I've never met him, 26 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: do you know him? 27 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: I have met Jed. He's been at a few of 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: our events. It is really good and great that he 29 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: found love. His wife's name is Ellen Decker. It's obvious 30 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: that Jed has moved far beyond his time on the show. 31 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: Ellen is a fitness coach, and the couple married in Chattanooga, Tennessee. 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: Among their guests were Bachelor Franchise alums Hannah Godwin and 33 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: Dylan Barber, along with NFL VET Bryce Treggs. 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 4: It was a beautiful outdoor wedding. We're very excited for them. 35 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: And obviously if you go back to his season, which 36 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: was Hannah Brown season, Hannah's engaged as well, so you 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: know what, they're both finding love. 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: It all works out. Very happy for Gibe. Congratulations. 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 4: It's very sweet, all right. 40 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: The next headline is one that I don't want to 41 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: talk about. Uh, one that I'm pretty upset about. M 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: Victora Fuller has a new boyfriend. That's not the reason 43 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: I'm upset. Obviously, we were wondering. It was just recently 44 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: that we found out that Greg Grippo and Victoria Fuller 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: were no longer together. They were pretty public with their relationship, obviously, 46 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: kind of announcing it on a live show, so Bachelination 47 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: was very very much involved in their story. 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: With the matching tattoo. 49 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be weird, now, tattoo, that's gonna that's 50 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: a That's one that you have to explain yourself. I 51 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 2: really like Victoria. Victoria Fuller is somebody I enjoy being around. 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: She is a lot of fun. She has always been 53 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. So I say all of this 54 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: making sure everybody knows I like Victoria. I do not 55 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: like her boyfriend. Why because I'm Boltz fan. 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: Oh my god, isn't hew to the team. 57 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. 58 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: He is the quarterback for the Tennessee Titans, which are 59 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: division arrivals of the Indianapolis Colts. It also happens to 60 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: be the Titans are my in laws, my brother in law, 61 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: my wife. I think I've convinced to go to the 62 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: other direction. It's their favorite team. Will Levis is Victoria 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: Fuller's new announced boyfriend. They've been together now for a 64 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: few weeks at least, because speculation had already started to happen. 65 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 2: I just didn't want to believe it because I like 66 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: Victoria and and honestly her husband. 67 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: He's a joke, like the. 68 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: How dare she really she cannot she cannot go to 69 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: a rival team. Of mind, she could have dated anybody 70 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 2: else in the NFL other than the starting quarterback for 71 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans. 72 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: I think. 73 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 4: I do too. No, I do. 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: I think she thought in her mind, She's like, you 75 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: know what's be really funny is if I found this 76 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: six foot five, two hundred and forty pound ripped starting 77 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: quarterback for the Tennessee Titans somehow attractive and I started 78 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: dating him, knowing it would hurt Ben so much. 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 3: I kind of love this for her and I heard 80 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: he's like twenty five. She's in her like cougar era. 81 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 3: I love it. 82 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: We've always referenced Victoria Fuller here to have that like 83 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: on this podcast as like this like like sexy energy, 84 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: like Ashley has a name for it. I forget what 85 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: exactly is, but like she just kind of like exudes 86 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: this kind of like not cougar yet, because it's hard to. 87 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 4: Be a cougar when you're like. 88 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: Just joking. 89 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: Yeah no, but I think you're right. I think now 90 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: she is. She's like, you know what, I still got it. 91 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 3: I'm good for her. And she was like I saw 92 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 3: her TikTok and she was talking about like moving on, 93 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: and I was surprised too. I don't know if you 94 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: saw that she was talking about picking out brains with Greg. 95 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, she. 96 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: Was like going from that and then talking about moving 97 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: on and how it gets better and how she's met 98 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 3: someone that's like a stand up guy. I was like, 99 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: good for you, she's been through it. I'm happy for her. 100 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's but I can't even say I'm happy for 101 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: I like her, but I'm not. I can't say I'm happy. 102 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: For I hope. I hope the two of them. 103 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: Get married and somehow he decides to retire from football 104 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: way too early, and the two of them, you know, 105 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: skip off into the sunset, and then I'd be like, hey, 106 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 2: this is a great couple. 107 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: Maybe she'll distract him this season. 108 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 4: That's right, Maybe that's why she's doing it. We have 109 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 4: a big show to talk about. Obviously. 110 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: The most recent episode of The Bachelorette has now aired. 111 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 2: It is season or it is episode four of season 112 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: twenty one of the Bachelorette. They're moving on from Australia 113 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: and they're now going to New Zealand. I've never been 114 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: to New Zealand. 115 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: Have you I have not bucket letus now. 116 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: It's always fun to watch a place I've never been 117 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: to on the show because it makes you go, hey, 118 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: I either want to go here or I don't. But 119 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: the men are now in New Zealand along with Jin. 120 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: This episode was really wasn't full of twists and turns, 121 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: I think, but it was full of some big moments. 122 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: That we've kind of been waiting for. 123 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: Obviously, Jesse and Jen have a conversation at the beginning 124 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: of the episode. I want to hear from you. Jesse 125 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: was not the host of the show when I was 126 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: on the show. How is Jesse in these moments? 127 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 4: How like? 128 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: You know? 129 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: I think one thing that made Chris really special was 130 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: in those moments. He made it seem and I think 131 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: because of who he is. It felt very genuine. It 132 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: felt like I was talking to a buddy. It felt 133 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: like he actually cared. It felt like he wasn't just 134 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: doing it because they called him up and took him 135 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: off the golf course to come and talk to me. 136 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: It actually felt like he had actually wanted to be 137 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: in that moment. 138 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 4: How is Jesse? 139 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: I was actually Jesse's first season of the Bachelor and Bachelor, 140 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: so we kind of learned this together. So I feel 141 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: like I have a really special relationship with Jesse, like 142 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 3: so many moments like he had with Jen, where I 143 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: was just crying. You're in like such a crazy environment 144 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: and to have someone who has done it before. I 145 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: think that's the thing that Jesse is really helpful with, 146 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 3: where he's kind of been through what you're going through. 147 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: I love them. I loved the lore of Jesse that 148 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: they were playing about why we couldn't eat on the dates. 149 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: I thought that was funny. 150 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 4: Remind me of that he. 151 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 3: Is the reason why as leads and when you're on 152 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: those one on ones that you can't eat because they 153 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 3: were showing the replay of him like eating on his 154 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: dates like mouth full, and it just looked so horrific, 155 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: And I didn't know that's why we couldn't do that. 156 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 4: Interesting. I didn't know that either. 157 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: I've always I always knew we It's one of the 158 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: most common questions you get r why don't they eat 159 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: on the dates? And I always used the excuse, well, 160 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: the food's been out for two hours, like I don't 161 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: want to eat lobster. 162 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on camera, and now we know because they 163 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: showed clips of Jesse doing it on his dates, So 164 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: thank you Jesse. No, I know. 165 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: Well, their conversation is just kind of a catch up 166 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: like we see on most seasons. The host is talking 167 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: to the lead. Then Jen meets up with the guys 168 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: in Auckland and she asked sam M that sam M 169 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: as in Mary, to go on a one on one date. 170 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: This is one on one date. I think every fan 171 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: has been anxious to see. The headlines this week were 172 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: full of kind of sam M and his family coming 173 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: out and commenting on how he feels like and they 174 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: feel like the show is portraying him in a bad light. 175 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: That's not who he is, they're saying. 176 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 4: And so one of. 177 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: The ways that I think the fans are waiting to see, well, 178 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: let's actually see you. You know, how this goes is 179 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: through a one on one? What are we going to 180 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: get out of Samm on this one on one? 181 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 4: Rachel? 182 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: I'll let you, as a lead, take us through this date, 183 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 2: sharing your opinions on how you feel like sam M 184 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: did so. 185 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: I think that Week four in general is just a 186 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: week where you're starting to get like really tired as 187 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: the lead. And I feel like in each season, you 188 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: watch that week and you can kind of tell they're 189 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: exhausted and going into the state. I could just tell 190 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: that Jen was just kind of a little bit like overwhelmed, 191 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: a little tired. I think he was really excited. They're 192 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: going onto this date. They're going into this like tower, 193 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: I forget what it's called, like one of the tallest 194 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: towers in Auckland, and you know they're jumping off it 195 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: because they're already alluding to like that's what you do. 196 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: And they're sitting down right, they're having this conversation and 197 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: I don't know, the the whole thing felt a little 198 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: awkward to me. How did you feel? 199 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think and I want to hear why. 200 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it definitely was awkward. I think most people 201 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: will watch that and say it just felt it felt 202 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: like there was a gap kind of in how they 203 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: were communicating to each other. I want to hear your 204 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: ideas for why that was happening, because it wasn't like 205 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: either of them were necessarily messing up. 206 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 4: I did. I will share this. 207 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 2: I did feel like Jen at some point was kind 208 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: of like, hey, Sam, talk to me like a human, 209 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: don't use the lines, don't say the right thing. Stop 210 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: just saying this stuff, like talk to me like a 211 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: human being, and like that's this moment. I did feel 212 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: like that was one of the reasons. But what other 213 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: reasons did you feel like made for kind of the 214 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 2: awkwardness in there, you know, sit down talk. 215 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: I think it was really obvious that Jen didn't want 216 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: to jump, and he was kind of making those decisions 217 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 3: for her. But I felt like when he was doing it, 218 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 3: it was more in like a oh, yeah, like we're here, 219 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: we're on the Bachelorette, let's jump, let's have these memories together. 220 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: But she took it as, oh, he's not listening to me, 221 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 3: and instead of I guess having that open communication and 222 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 3: being like, listen, I get that you're excited, but I 223 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: really don't want to do this. It felt like she 224 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 3: was almost like wanting him to read her mind a little. 225 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: But we've all been there. I've been there. You know 226 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: you want that person to read your energy, and I 227 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: just feel like he was not getting that up until 228 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: like the very last moment when she cried and then 229 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 3: he understood where she was coming from. 230 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: I think you're spot on, if I'm honest with you, Rachel, 231 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: I was watching Sam m in this moment, I was like, 232 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: that would be me, what he was doing would be 233 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: how I would treat that moment, because in my mind 234 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: it takes me a while to pick up on what's 235 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: not being said. If you want to communicate with me 236 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: and you want me to know how you feel, you 237 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: have to pretty much like yell it in my face. 238 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 4: You have to tell me or I'm not picking up 239 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 4: on it. 240 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: I also get very excited and overwhelmed about memorable moments, 241 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 2: moments that I think will create a memory that will 242 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: last us a long time. I also have always liked 243 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 2: to see people out of their comfort zones because I 244 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: have a hard time getting out of my own my 245 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 2: own comfort zone, and so when I've mentally got myself 246 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: to say no, I'm going to do it, I'm going 247 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: to push myself here, I want whoever's with me to 248 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: also get to that place. And it's caused me a 249 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: lot of issues and friendships and relationships in my life 250 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: because I sometimes have to like check myself and be 251 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: like WHOA, yeah, you know what, I was being a 252 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: little bit too much there. I do think Sam was 253 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: too much. I don't think he was exactly what you 254 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: call supportive in that moment. I just don't have a 255 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: lot of criticism for him because I know that would 256 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: be me. 257 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: Also, yeah, it was just an awkward situation because I 258 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 3: also think about the men talking in the house and 259 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 3: Marcus coming back from his day and being like, we 260 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,239 Speaker 3: were skydiving and we were this, and then you're assuming 261 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: like she loves this kind of stuff, she you know, 262 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: wants to do this activity with me, and then for 263 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 3: her to just be like, no, no, you're not understanding me. 264 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: He's kind of like, no, let's do this, Like come on, 265 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: come next to me. So I feel like I could 266 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 3: see both sides because I've also been there as a 267 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 3: lead and been so frustrated. I could have been on 268 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: any date and I would have been like just getting overwhelmed. 269 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: So maybe that's where she was coming from. I did, 270 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: you know, think that they made up for it in 271 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: the nighttime portion. 272 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: Definitely, this felt like an argument My wife and I 273 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 2: would have like, this felt like a moment that would 274 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: be two people that love each other very much, that 275 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: are very committed to each other. They have a lot 276 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: of fun together, and this feels like a moment that 277 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 2: could create an argument for the two of us. It 278 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 2: doesn't feel outrageous, it doesn't feel necessarily even unhealthy. 279 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 4: It just feels like my wife. 280 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: At some point, Wo'd be like, then you have to 281 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: start listening to me, like look in my eyes, I 282 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: don't want to do this, and I'd be like, oh, 283 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: oh yeah, you're right, Okay, sorry, my bad, my my 284 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: take on it was. I do think they made up 285 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: for it in the nighttime portion. I do think we 286 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: also saw Samm for the first time. I know every 287 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: you know, his family's very much in this camp of 288 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: the editing has been a problem. I've always said this 289 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: about the Bachelor and Bachelorette. Yes, there is editing, always editing, 290 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: But I have never been a part of a show 291 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 2: where the sentiment of the moment like isn't somewhat accurate. 292 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: So he is saying the things that they're showing he 293 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: is upset with Devon. They are now showing that he's 294 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: upset with Devon and also sam In. Yes he might 295 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: have said other things in between, you know, his mean comments, 296 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: but what they're getting across to the audience is Samm 297 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: is not enjoying his experience with Devon and sam In. However, 298 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: I think in this nighttime portion. I was able, and 299 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: I hope most fans were to put that away and say, Okay, 300 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: who is this guy? 301 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: And I do think he was. He showed up well 302 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 4: in this moment. 303 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: I was shocked that he's been engaged. Yes, he just 304 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: comes off to me and I think to Jen as 305 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: like a player, and to hear that he had almost 306 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 3: the same exact story as Spencer, that he is so 307 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: serious and something kind of tragic happened to him in 308 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: that relationship, I was very shocked. I felt like he 309 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 3: was opening up. Jen was crying. I thought they had 310 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: a really good moment. Not saying I'm fully on board 311 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: with sam M by any means, but I thought this 312 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: date went a lot better than I thought it was 313 00:15:59,160 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 3: going to. 314 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: I would not say I'm fully on board with SAMM. 315 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: In fact, he still wouldn't make my top four. However, 316 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: I do think this date propelled him into the idea 317 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: in my head that he is going to be there 318 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: a while and he is a front runner in this experience, 319 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: even though I'm not convinced yet. And the reason I'm 320 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: not convinced yet is really because after their date, which 321 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: he does receive a rose on, we see him back 322 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: in the house while the group date is existing with 323 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: everybody but Devin. We'll get into the group date, but 324 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: the conversation with Samm and Devin really stands out to 325 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: me because it felt like Samm fell right back into 326 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: the Samm that everybody's. 327 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 4: Like, what is this guy doing. 328 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: He's a front runner, he has no need to step 329 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: in the murkiness of the drama, yet he cannot help 330 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: himself for some reason. 331 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like he is being the aggressor, or 332 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 3: at least in the situation with Devin. He was the 333 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: one coming at Devin and he's like, you're wasting your 334 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 3: time thinking of me, And I was like, I don't 335 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 3: think about you at all, Like I don't want anything 336 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 3: to do with you. He's almost making Devin look better. Yeah, 337 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: like after this episode, I'm a Devin apologist. I'm like, 338 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: is it like Sam this whole time, I don't know. 339 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 3: Not not a good look. 340 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 4: It isn't a good look. 341 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: And into Sam M's credit, yes there are. That was 342 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: a long conversation where a brief portion of it was shown. 343 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: But Ashley and I have given up on the almost 344 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 2: famous podcast Rachel, just for your knowledge, the idea that 345 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: we can assume what was happening that was not shown, 346 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: because that's not why we exist here. We're here to 347 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: break down what we watched on television. That's all the 348 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: information we have at this point. And what we watched 349 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: on television is I one hundred percent agree with you. 350 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 2: Sam m felt like the aggressor here. He felt like 351 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: the one that continues to stir the pot to say 352 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: things that would definitely upset me. If I was Devin, 353 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,239 Speaker 2: it would make me stand up for myself or at 354 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: least respond, probably in not the nicest of ways. Uh 355 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: you know, he calls him a little b he uh 356 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: you know again, says I don't want you to talk 357 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: to me, and Devin kind of goes, I wasn't gonna 358 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 2: talk to you anyways, Like that's cool, man, Like I'm 359 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: fine not talking to you. I don't want to talk 360 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: to you. Stop talking to me. And so it was 361 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: weird for me, Rachel, because I was hoping after the 362 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: date with Jim that Sam Man would come back with 363 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: a little confidence, a little piece and be like. 364 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 4: You know what, I'm a front runner here. 365 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: This other stuff it's it's not below me, but it's 366 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 2: not of my interest anymore yet there he is. 367 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: I love that they had them both get a one 368 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 3: of one this week, so we had all this time 369 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 3: with them. I was like, this is the perfect opportunity 370 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: for a two on one. I was fingers crossed. But nevertheless, 371 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: I'm sure this is not the last you will see 372 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: of Sam and Devon arguing. 373 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: No, it's a that was a beautiful, uh producer piece 374 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: to the puzzle where they said, you know, would be 375 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: really fun this week. 376 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, as soon as I saw them sitting there, I'm like, 377 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: oh my god, it was great. 378 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 2: Beautiful, so good. But we do have the group date. 379 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: Every other guy is on this group date. It is 380 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: a rugby date. This is a really important sport to 381 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: New Zealand. I was really excited they were going to 382 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: play rugby. It's not the first time the show has 383 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: played rugby as a date, but this was a really 384 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 2: fun date because New Zealand is known for its rugby team, 385 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 2: and these guys aren't great, but they're taking it very serious. 386 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: And you definitely have some athletes in the group. You 387 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: don't have any of those, you know, kind of weenies 388 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 2: that aren't going to step up and try to play rugby. 389 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: So it's fun to watch and I'm sure it's fun 390 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: for gen to watch. 391 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and someone gave sam and a little bit too 392 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: much pain. I don't know who was in charge of 393 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: sam n on this date. I was so uncomfortable the 394 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 3: whole time. I mean, I was watching the rugby. It 395 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 3: was great, but at the end of the day, this 396 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 3: is like fun and if someone was tackling me like that, 397 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 3: I would be so mad. Like the way he was 398 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 3: just picking her up, tackling guys like I thought it 399 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 3: was so unnecessary. 400 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 4: I think sam In is just learning a lot about 401 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 4: himself right now. 402 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: It feels though that he's not. It feels like he's 403 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: listening to maybe people being like you gotta try harder 404 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 3: for her attention and just taking it way too far 405 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 3: every single time. 406 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: Well, I think he learned a lot once he got 407 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: back in that limo, or once he got in the 408 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 2: limo at the end of this when it never worked out. 409 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: I think he was at first feeling like he was 410 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 2: crushing it. And the truth is, he did not crush 411 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: any moment on this date from start to finish. Rachel 412 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: set though, I think sam in Is could have been 413 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 2: one of the most rememorable characters we've ever seen on 414 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 2: the show if he would have been here a little longer. 415 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: We only got to see him really come out of 416 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: his show at the end of last episode when he 417 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: admitted his love for her on a stage. 418 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 4: In week three during a group date, and. 419 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: We got to see him today on a rugby day 420 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: and a night portion pretty much make every wrong move 421 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: anybody can make when it comes to dating. 422 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: I want to go over the nighttime portion, because go ahead. 423 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: There was a moment well, okay, first of all, the 424 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: walking in the trophy, the jersey walking ahead of everyone. 425 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: I just knew these guys were going to freak out. 426 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: She could never have one normal cocktail party, poor thing. 427 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 3: John just wants to talk to these men. Of course 428 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: they're in another argument. Thomas is involved again. The one 429 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 3: part that really stuck out to me was when he 430 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 3: went to pull her for the second time and he 431 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: is talking to the camera and he's like, what did 432 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 3: you say. He was like, I'm going to kiss her. 433 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 3: I'm going to be intimate with her, I he told her, 434 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 3: And my first thought was like, someone needs to be 435 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: in there with her. I forgot. I'm like, she can't 436 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 3: be alone with him, Like I was genuinely scared. I 437 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 3: thought that moment was way too much. It was definitely 438 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 3: his time to go after that comment. 439 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 4: She handled herself so much better than I would have. 440 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 4: If somebody. 441 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 3: I literally was like, I would have just made out 442 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 3: with him. Everyone if they were like, can I kiss you, 443 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: I'm like, yep. 444 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: Easier than talking, Yeah, so much easier, non confrontational. Let's 445 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: just do and then I'll say goodbye to you at 446 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 2: the row ceremony. But I'm not having this. She was 447 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: brilliant in that moment, just the way she collected herself. 448 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: She put her thoughts out there. That's what makes a 449 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 2: good lead is how they respond in the face of 450 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: adversity or any type of conflict, and she responded so well. 451 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 4: He had a really funny comment to her. I think 452 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 4: he meant that. 453 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: I think he was prepping for this time with her, 454 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: And what he came up with was he said, today 455 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 2: was the best group day of my life. And I 456 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: found that comment outrageous. One, how many group dates have 457 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: you actually ever been on? 458 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: Two? 459 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: Why is that what stands out to you in this 460 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: whole experience that it was the best group date you've 461 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 2: ever been on. It wasn't the best day with her. 462 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 2: Is this the best time with her? Did you enjoy 463 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: watching her? No, you just had a really great group date. 464 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: Because in his mind at this point, from the moment 465 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 2: he walked in, he said it. He put on his 466 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: denim jacket. He was feeling himself tonight, he felt himself 467 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: and he thought he was a rock star. I don't 468 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: know where he got that information from. I don't know 469 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: what signs he was picking up on that made him 470 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 2: feel this way. I don't know even who told him 471 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 2: that he was crushing it. But when he walked into 472 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 2: that room, I think he, in his mind thought jin 473 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 2: was going to just melt and be like it's over. 474 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 4: You're the guy. 475 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: The problem is Rachel. He's an attractive fella, Like, he's 476 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 2: a good looking guy. He could if he was just 477 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 2: normal for a few seconds here, if he didn't try 478 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: to go back and kiss her. 479 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 4: I think he actually stays for the next week. 480 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: Agreed. Agreed, one hundred percent. He gives me the energy 481 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: of like have you ever heard this saying of like 482 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: that weird guy friend. It's like where's my hug? At? Like, 483 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: where's my hug? And she's like she sighed, hugs him 484 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: like it was so awkward to watch him. Like you said, 485 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 3: he came in with this confidence I think because he thought. 486 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 4: He might hug at. 487 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 3: The group day, and so he's like, oh, I'm getting 488 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 3: the rose like no questions. He's getting hyped up. But 489 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 3: then again there's Thomas again. Why is Thomas the leader 490 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 3: of every like group? Like what's even the word? They're 491 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: like mad at everyone. This is a mean group of guys. 492 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 3: But Thomas is always like leading the stampede. 493 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, he well, I think that's about the I think 494 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: that's the only role he can play right now. 495 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: He knows his place. 496 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows this is not the experience for him. 497 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: He knows he's not getting the into the final four. 498 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: He's like, well, I can What I can do now 499 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: is make sure I'm heard as much as possible. 500 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 3: Did you hear the part where he started saying Sam 501 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: Emm's lines. He was like doing an interview, and he's like, 502 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 3: we're just keeping the main thing, the main thing, Like 503 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 3: that's that's not even your own words? What are you 504 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: doing here? Like he is something else. But she did 505 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 3: have some great conversations I. 506 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 4: Thought with who vacation with. 507 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 3: Jonathan they were doing the lacrosse game Grant. You could 508 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 3: tell with her body language, the way she sits on 509 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: the couch with grit, she's like super close to him. 510 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: I think we're going to see more of him hopefully 511 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 3: coming up. Yeah, oh yeah. And then I just wrote 512 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 3: down Austin calling Sam emotionally unintelligent in front of everyone, like, 513 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 3: why are they all doing this time and time again? 514 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think what was happening. I don't think these 515 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 2: guys are handling this well. I will say that I 516 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: do think with this Sam in moment, they were all 517 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: so frustrated and confused, and they were trying to convince Sam, hey, man, like, 518 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 2: check yourself a little bit, take a step back. You're fine, 519 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: We're not even that mad at you yet. But you're 520 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 2: being weird man, Like, you're being really weird, and we 521 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: just want to let you know that this weirdness is 522 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: making everything else here weird. Like you're just being very 523 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: odd and it. As he continued to defend himself and 524 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: not probably take the kind advice early. 525 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 4: There's probably a better way to do it. 526 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: Somebody could have done it one on one with him, 527 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: But since he didn't take the advice early, I think 528 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 2: everybody was getting frustrated like, dude, you're a wild man, 529 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 2: Like I'm mad at you, like I'm getting angry. Just 530 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: listen to you defend yourself and thinking that you're crushing 531 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 2: it because you're not, and it's very clear to everybody. 532 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 2: So Jin kind of finalizes the thought that he's not 533 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 2: crushing it. She sends him home. Now, she did have 534 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: some great conversations. I think Marcus and the Jonathans, the 535 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: Grants of the world really stood out during this whole day. 536 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: I think they are continuing to be kind of like 537 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: foundational pieces to Jin's story. We're seeing them often. There's 538 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 2: still some other guys we're not seeing as often, but 539 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: they're those guys are really always popping up. And that's 540 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 2: why I have high expectations for kind of that group, 541 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: specifically some other guys we don't really see at all 542 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 2: on this day because Samon takes up a lot of it. 543 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: He does end up going home early, and then the 544 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: next scene is kind of a It's. 545 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 4: One I just don't like Rachel. 546 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 2: I don't like that the show allows an ex boyfriend 547 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: to come into this experience. 548 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: Now I know. 549 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: This is set up to be that he flew to 550 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: New Zealand to meet up with joke. 551 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 3: I thought that was so unseerious, the way that they 552 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 3: had the whole He flew here on his time and 553 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 3: he's honest right now, I'm like, be so for real. 554 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 3: I mean, what are your thoughts on it? I think 555 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: it was just so obvious what he's doing, like he's 556 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: doing this for attention and for like his five seconds, 557 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 3: like what are you doing here? 558 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: It reminds me of when Nick Vile came to Caitlin 559 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: season that I was on about five weeks in. We 560 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: are in New York City, and I do know that 561 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: he was in New York City, and I do know 562 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: that Caitlyn and Nick had hung out previous to her 563 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: becoming the Bachelor at and then they hung out as 564 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: she you know, was kind of on the show like 565 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: she found a way to kind of Caitlein was really 566 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: good at sneaking out. She was fantastic finding her way 567 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: out of. 568 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: Her n I don't know how she did it. I 569 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: never left my room. I was so scared. 570 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 4: She had some courage. 571 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: He comes in and you know, she asks him to 572 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: then be a part of the season, which obviously he 573 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: makes a long run on the season. It made all 574 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: of us feel like, Hey, we're not enough, Like she's 575 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: looking for something else here. So that that is the 576 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: concern for me as Jin starts to entertain the idea 577 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: of bringing this guy onto her season, is that it 578 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 2: will make all the other guys probably question where exactly 579 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: they're in the relationship. 580 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 4: I think the show should never. 581 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 2: Portray this as that he is showing up on his 582 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: own dime, because nobody knows where they're at in the world. 583 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 2: Nobody knows where to meet Jesse at. The show had 584 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: to have contacted him and helped set this up. There 585 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: had to be a knowledge that they had dated fairly 586 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: recently to her becoming the bachelorette. They had convinced this 587 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 2: guy to fly all the way to New Zealand, probably 588 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: telling him that, yeah, like, there's not a lot of 589 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 2: great guys here, I think you're the one. It'd be 590 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: great if you come now. I don't hate that she would, 591 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: even I'm not going to get mad age gen if 592 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: she says, yeah, you know what, come on this experience 593 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: and do it like everybody else. I do think that 594 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: adds a weird dynamic within the guys. I don't think 595 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: this guy is going to like his experience on the show. 596 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: I don't think the guys are going to welcome him 597 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: into their brotherhood, nor should we expect them to. But 598 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: I won't blame her for saying, yeah, let's give it 599 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: a shot. 600 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 3: I just think it's weird because this isn't like someone 601 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 3: that she was, like the one that got away. It 602 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 3: was a three month situationship three years ago that she 603 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: still kind of keeps in contact with. He had how 604 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: many years he watched her go on The Bachelor. That 605 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 3: was his first shot to be like, hey, I love you. 606 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 3: It's so inauthentic to me. Obviously, I don't know, like 607 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 3: you said, it's Jen's decision, but to me, it just 608 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 3: seems like so sketchy. 609 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: Well, something weird happened in the midst of their conversation. 610 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: He kind of tells Jen his true feelings for her, 611 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: and she says, why wouldn't you have told me this 612 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: three months ago or whatever the timeline was, and he goes, Jin, 613 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: I did, and then she kind of. 614 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 3: Just stops, Oh, I didn't catch that. 615 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: She like doesn't have a great response for it. She 616 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 2: just says, Matthew, I thought. 617 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: She said or he said I tried to, or. 618 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: Did he say I did or I tried to, whatever 619 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 2: it was if he tried to. 620 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 4: If he did, he obviously. 621 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 2: Was communicating deeper feelings for Jin than what she's either 622 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 2: remembering or wanting to remember. So I do have a 623 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: feeling that this guy was interested before she left. I 624 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: don't know if his ideal plan would be showing up 625 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: on national television into a very hostile environment and trying 626 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: to sweep her off her feet. I don't know if 627 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: that was his plan. That's outrageously wild and not smart. 628 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: He should have never agreed to that, But I do 629 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 2: wonder if it threw her off so much that he 630 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 2: was there, that she was in a sense, and I 631 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: get it trying to protect herself to be like Matthew, 632 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 2: what are you doing? Like you're making me look like 633 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: I had a boyfriend up until I came on the show. 634 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: You're now telling me that you told me these things 635 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 2: up until I came on the show. You need to 636 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 2: stop this. If you care about me, look in my eyes, 637 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: watch yourself. I'm not against bringing you on the show, 638 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 2: but obviously our relationship didn't work out. I'm not personally 639 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: claiming that Jen had a boyfriend before the show, but 640 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 2: I do think she was probably talking to a guy, 641 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: which I've always said is fine. 642 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,239 Speaker 4: Like, you know, they broke up. 643 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 2: She wasn't interested him, she moved on, but I do 644 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 2: think she for a set I felt very much like, goodness, gracious, Matthew, 645 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 2: you are going to destroy me by doing. 646 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 3: This, and the situation, if you think about it, there's 647 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 3: no way I feel like it could be smooth, especially 648 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 3: with someone who's outside of the franchise. Because this guy 649 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 3: comes in, all the guys are mad at Jen, so 650 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: then she's mad at them for questioning her, and this 651 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 3: just cannot go well because then what happens if she 652 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: picks him at the end, Everyone's like, why do you 653 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 3: even come on? So there's no way that this can 654 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 3: end well, and I think Jen knows that, and she's 655 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 3: trying to find the best scenario for this, the best 656 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: way to deal with it. 657 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 2: Navigate it, Yeah, the best way to navigate this there was. 658 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 4: I don't know if they ever did this to you. 659 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 2: Rachel, but I walked in the Mexico City fashion show 660 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: during my time as the Bachelor on a date. I 661 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: was on a date and one of the models during 662 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: the fashion show they had convinced to come on my 663 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: seasons like this is probably five weeks in and the 664 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: producers come up and they said, hey, would you want 665 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 2: her on the show? And I was like, no, that 666 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 2: sounds terrible. That sounds like an awful idea, Like no 667 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 2: matter if she is the perfect person for me, not 668 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: worth it, like not doing that here. But they had 669 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 2: this whole thing where it never got aired because she 670 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: never ended up coming on where like she and they 671 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 2: asked if she could start the experience in week five 672 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: And it wasn't that I again, I'm not going to 673 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: be upset with jin as a lead to bring him on. 674 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 2: It was more of I don't know how I would 675 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 2: communicate this to everybody else that's already here, Like I 676 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 2: feel like it would just be a massive shot to 677 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 2: their confidence, and their confidence is probably already waning, and 678 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: I already felt like I was holding on by a 679 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 2: thread to keep their attention for another week. I did 680 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 2: not ever feel like I was sitting in the driver's 681 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,439 Speaker 2: seat being like, yeah, they're going to stick around because 682 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 2: obviously they want to date me. It's like no, they're 683 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 2: always looking for an excuse to leave. They just don't 684 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 2: to win, say, but then look at Blake points, yeah, Yeah, 685 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 2: good point. 686 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 3: So the only reason I think this just could be 687 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 3: a little different is that he is not a part 688 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: of the franchise. I think people might welcome people a 689 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 3: little bit more when they kind of know them and 690 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 3: it's this whole like, oh, I didn't know she was 691 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 3: gonna be the Bachelrette. Anyways, we shall see. Me and 692 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 3: Gaby never had that problem. We couldn't even get the 693 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 3: guys on our own season to want to date us. 694 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 3: So I mean that would have probably been welcomed in 695 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 3: my situation if I someone that wants to dat us. 696 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, another friend. 697 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 3: Yeah you're gonna accept my roses? Make amazing, You're hired. 698 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 4: Yeah you're here, all right, Rachel break down. 699 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 2: Really, the final piece of this episode is the Gin 700 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: and Devin dat, another date that fans were excited to 701 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 2: see kind of play out for the first time. 702 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 3: So going into this, you know, I was not a 703 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 3: Devon fan, but there is something with Devin watching his 704 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 3: date with Jen. They got to have this spiritual experience 705 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 3: with the Malori people. I know Jen was saying that 706 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 3: she's Buddhists and it's important to learn about different cultures, 707 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 3: and I think Devin embraced the date so well, he 708 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 3: shared so much about himself. I was like, Wow, I 709 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 3: was impressed. He has a lot of depth to him. 710 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 3: But I think the main thing for me was watching 711 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 3: Jen on this date. I felt like, that's the most 712 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 3: she's been herself this entire time. 713 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 2: She felt very comfortable in Unlike maybe the sam M date. 714 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 2: It did feel like most of their conversation flowed from 715 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: a very natural and comfortable place. I didn't know if 716 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 2: that would actually happen with Devn. I've always kind of 717 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 2: had this idea that Jen, in the back of her 718 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 2: head is like, this guy is going to be going 719 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 2: home as soon as possible, but for right now, like 720 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 2: he's making the effort, so I'm going to keep him around. 721 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 2: I will admit I think I was wrong on that thought. 722 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 2: I actually think she is interested in Devin, which is 723 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 2: interesting because he hasn't exactly portrayed himself that much differently 724 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 2: than some of the other guys. He's made some stupid decisions, 725 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: he says some really stupid stuff. He's been hostile at times, 726 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 2: Yet somehow he's continued to kind of connect with Jin 727 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: in a way that others haven't yet. 728 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 3: She said something exactly like that at the end of 729 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 3: the day, and she was just like, we have this connection. 730 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 3: I can't explain, and I mean I saw it all 731 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 3: throughout the date. But I think as a lead sometimes 732 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 3: I'll watch these conversations that they have at the nighttime 733 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 3: portion and you can tell when she's just kind of 734 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 3: like and tell me more about that, and how did 735 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 3: that make you feel? Oh, that's so tough, which you're 736 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 3: genuinely like concerned. But with Devin, she was sharing like 737 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 3: stories about her dad and feeling abandoned, and I was like, whoa, 738 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 3: she trusts him. She's really showing a completely different side 739 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 3: to just Devin, and I was shocked, but I loved it. 740 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 3: I think they have a great connection. And now, like 741 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 3: you said, I am interested to see how far he's 742 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 3: going to go. 743 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 2: I'm very intrigued to see how far he is now 744 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 2: going to go. Well that is all the main points 745 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 2: and the main storylines from episode for Rachel. Anything that 746 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 2: stot out to you this episode that we did not cover, think. 747 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 3: So besides me becoming a devon apologist. 748 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 4: There you go, got it. 749 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 2: Maybe that would be the title of this podcast, Rachel Apologist. 750 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 2: All right, your top three after this week changed it 751 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: all from last week. 752 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 3: So no, I still have Dylan, Jonathan Marcus number one, 753 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 3: but I did. I put Devin number four because I 754 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 3: think that is her number four, So yeah, he made 755 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 3: it onto the list. 756 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 2: I would still agree Marcus and Jonathan though, feel in 757 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 2: my mind, even though maybe we don't see as much 758 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 2: of them as we expect, they still feel like to 759 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 2: me based on years of watching the show and years 760 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 2: of experiences of seeing people go on dates, they still 761 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 2: feel far and beyond the front runners to me. I 762 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 2: know they want Sam m to be that person. I'm 763 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 2: just not there yet. I just don't. I'm having a 764 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 2: hard time believing it. Well, next week we're going to 765 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 2: watch to see if Matthew is actually invited back on 766 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 2: this show. We are probably going to see a Row 767 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 2: ceremony since we did it this episode, so we'll have 768 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 2: a lot to break down and talk about. Next week, 769 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 2: Rachel will not be here. Rachel, thank you so much 770 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 2: for joining us for being a part of the Almost 771 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 2: Famous podcast these last two weeks. You have been an 772 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 2: incredible guest host, an awesome fell in and I cannot 773 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 2: wait to have you back at some point to help 774 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 2: us out and to continue to update us on all 775 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 2: the cool things happening in your life. So with this, 776 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 2: we're going to take a moment of appreciation for Rachel. 777 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 3: Thank you so honored to be. We are so honored 778 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 3: to fill in for Ashley. Ben, It's always a great time. 779 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 4: We're doing that a lot more. Uh until next week. 780 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 4: I've been Ben and I'm Rachel. We'll talk to you soon. 781 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 782 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.