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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorne Smith.

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Speaker 2: And daphnews Aniga and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, welcome to the Melrose Minute.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's always too much to talk about, Like

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Speaker 1: while we're doing a recab, it just feels like there's

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Speaker 1: all the stuff that we needed to put into a

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Speaker 1: Melrose Minute. So we've let's be honest, we could talk

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Speaker 1: all day every basis.

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Speaker 2: So I mean an hour is a not pretty soon

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Speaker 2: it's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: A Melrose half hour, especially because our.

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Speaker 3: Husbands don't want to hear us at home.

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Speaker 4: So we have to come here and get it all out.

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Speaker 5: So my dogs are getting so annoyed, they're like, already

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Speaker 5: talk to the.

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Speaker 4: Girls, to the girl. So here we are. Put it

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Speaker 4: on the pod.

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Speaker 2: We were just talking about before we got on about Sydney.

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Speaker 2: We just watched her second and last episode for this season,

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Speaker 2: but how her outfits were getting crazy and you had

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Speaker 2: some thoughts about what you were wearing.

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Speaker 1: No, it's just like it occurred to me like the

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Speaker 1: character was so open to whatever, and the wardrobe department

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Speaker 1: was so amazing that they would put whatever on her,

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Speaker 1: and I just got this opportunity to try. But I

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Speaker 1: just remember feeling like while I was I've mentioned this before.

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Speaker 1: I was a brand new actress, right, I'm a midwestern

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Speaker 1: I'm a girl from Iowa.

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Speaker 3: Right, not the.

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Speaker 1: Most like edgy, you know place, And I just remembered,

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Speaker 1: like the idea that Sydney could wear all these colorful

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Speaker 1: things and try them on and whatever was just so

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Speaker 1: different than my own experience.

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Speaker 4: Was it crazy for you? Was it exciting?

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Speaker 3: And I loved it?

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Speaker 4: I loved it.

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 1: And there was a moment in my own like youth

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Speaker 1: and childhood where I was interested in like trying on

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Speaker 1: you know, eighties fashion.

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Speaker 3: I mean, who wouldn't write.

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Speaker 1: Day glow or like, like I was a junior high

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Speaker 1: and like I remember remember the movie Flash Dance, right,

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Speaker 1: and so I was And I was a dancer too,

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Speaker 1: So like I was so interested, Oh, I'll wear leg

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Speaker 1: warmers to school or whatever, like you know as part

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Speaker 1: of my outfit leg warmers, which I got mercilessly mocked for, right,

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Speaker 1: and so like not really a risk taking place fashion

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Speaker 1: wise Iowa. So it was such an interesting thing to

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Speaker 1: be given this character that could do anything and should

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Speaker 3: Trying anything and whatever.

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Speaker 1: But I just remember feeling also the actual voice inside

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Speaker 1: my head going, oh, what are people back home going

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Speaker 1: to think?

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Speaker 6: Did you get reaction?

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Speaker 4: I did get?

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Speaker 6: I mean, in fact, do you remember there?

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of hard to remember, but I just remember

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Speaker 1: feeling super insecure about it, like what is everyone going

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Speaker 1: to think? Not only that the scene that I had

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Speaker 1: to be in bed with my sister's husband, even though

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Speaker 1: it was a dream, was a nightmare sequence or whatever,

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Speaker 1: but like to have to have done that, I was

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Speaker 1: so insecure, like what are people going to think? And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be judged for this? It was like

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Speaker 1: such a weird thing that I just watching it again,

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Speaker 1: I was reminded of that feeling just starting out in

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Speaker 1: my career, going what are people going so funny?

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Speaker 2: My background is the absolute opposite of yours. I grew

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Speaker 2: up in the sixties in Berkeley, California, where there were

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Speaker 2: like free boxes on every corner for free clothes whatever

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Speaker 2: we had our dress up box at home.

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Speaker 3: My sister and I didn't have a TV, but we

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Speaker 3: would go home and put.

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Speaker 2: On things feather boas or whatever just to play after school.

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Speaker 2: So when I was doing this show with Denise. I

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Speaker 2: got so excited because because it like went with that,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It wasn't crazy, she wasn't

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Speaker 2: crazy out of the top, but in Joe's own way,

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Speaker 2: we'd try things that kind of push the edge. And

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Speaker 2: I just loved going to work because it felt like

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Speaker 4: Box, you know what I mean. Yeah, I just loved her.

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Speaker 2: She had really cool, kind of ethnic, kind of esoteric stuff, really.

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Speaker 3: Chic, upscale, cool stuff.

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Speaker 5: I thought Allison was more conservative because she was a

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Speaker 5: playing dress up. But that's a really fun thing about

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Speaker 5: being an actor, which is getting to play different characters.

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Speaker 5: I did a TV movie once where I played a

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Speaker 5: murdering dairy princess, and that was super fun because that

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Speaker 5: she was like a dairy princess, and that was super fun.

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Speaker 5: But I've often played to quote normal people, so my

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Speaker 5: clothes weren't that exciting.

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Speaker 4: So it's fun to.

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Speaker 5: Get play super fun dress up, like you were playing

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Speaker 5: super dress up and wearing these extreme things and getting

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Speaker 5: to it was also it was the time on the

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Speaker 5: show you could tell that they were experimenting with you.

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Speaker 5: They were letting it get fun and funny and a

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Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, this is going to be fun.

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Speaker 5: I had that feeling about it. And part of it

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Speaker 5: what's going to happen here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't seem at all like you were.

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Speaker 3: You seemed very open to wearing whatever they wanted to

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Speaker 1: I loved it, but they just couldn't shake that little

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Speaker 3: What are they going to think?

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Speaker 2: Didn't you think?

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Speaker 5: Like we came of age in a time when most

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Speaker 5: people had no nudity in their contracts, right, Like, I

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Speaker 5: don't know about you, but since I turned fifty, people

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Speaker 5: say nudity required. I'm like, did you think I waited

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Speaker 5: till I was fifty to do nud Like what do

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Speaker 5: you think it's writing? But it used to be on

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Speaker 5: But I always from the time I was seventeen, I

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Speaker 5: this one day, right, I always had that thought. I

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Speaker 5: I'm so grateful now that I have a seventeen year

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Speaker 5: old and he did that, like there are things that

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Speaker 5: like nothing that would be horrifying for him to watch. Right,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I knew.

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Speaker 4: I knew I'd never have.

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Speaker 6: Kids, so I didn't.

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Speaker 4: Have that proble. You had to do whatever you wanted

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Speaker 4: to very compromising positions.

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Speaker 3: I suppose it's free. It was like, but you have siblings, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a sister. We're very close.

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Speaker 2: We're only seventeen months apart. I have a half brother

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Speaker 2: who's twenty years younger than I am, so that's different.

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Speaker 2: We didn't grow up together. But you know, watching your

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Speaker 2: of it all has brought up, you know, my own

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: Of course, you don't really compare your real life to

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Speaker 2: Melrose situations. That would be I hope, although.

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Speaker 1: You're still it was fast when you said what you

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Speaker 1: told us last episode, that your sister was actually.

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Speaker 2: Showed up and which is c started living with me, Yes,

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Speaker 2: and then ended up on Norral's plays as an extra.

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Speaker 3: I love that and two other jobs I remembered too,

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Speaker 3: I got her.

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Speaker 2: But at any rate that aside confusing, Yeah, No, I

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Speaker 2: just wanted to talk about like that kind of dynamic

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Speaker 2: and your relationship with siblings.

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Speaker 4: Why are they tough? Why are they so tough? Why

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Speaker 4: what would cause and.

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Speaker 2: Get to the point of not talking you know, or

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Speaker 2: I mean it has to do a set. I look

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Speaker 2: at you, and I think automatically, Courtney.

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Speaker 6: I look at you and I think of boundaries.

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Speaker 3: Set boundaries.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that's part of your answer, and it should be,

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Speaker 2: But I don't know what do you think about?

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Speaker 1: You know, like siblings are the longest relationship you have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't get to choose them, right, that's.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, But they really are the longest relationship you have

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Speaker 1: because you know your parents won't always be there, as

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Speaker 1: you know, and but your siblings are more aligned with

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Speaker 2: The kind of the roles you were given as a child,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure felt in my shadow and resisted. I never

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Speaker 2: Don't have that so much now, but it does kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you do hear people saying like those things,

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Speaker 1: those birth order things are really classic.

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Speaker 1: The oldest child often feels like they had to lead

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Speaker 1: it just is natural. It's a natural birth order of relationship.

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Speaker 1: And I just hear it all the time that there's

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Speaker 1: I ever did anything psycho, but you.

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Speaker 4: Could use that.

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Speaker 1: We definitely is easy to draw from really real emotions

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Speaker 1: about feeling not as smart or not as good or

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Speaker 1: not as you know anything, and wanting to be like

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Speaker 1: your older sister either.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had to deal with, like really having

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Speaker 2: a er where you've had to take time off or

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Speaker 2: really deal with difficult subjects with each other.

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Speaker 3: I think it's hard not to.

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Speaker 5: And what I was thinking is, you guys are talking,

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Speaker 5: is is you live your life in reference to this person? Right?

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Speaker 5: Like my son is an only child, so he's kind

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Speaker 5: of like he's he's forging his own path. But we

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Speaker 5: were in reference, and I was thinking about my parents

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Speaker 5: telling me that one of the teachers in kindergarten, my

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Speaker 5: sister is a beautiful visual artist, extraordinary. So's my dad

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Speaker 5: saying that in kindergarten, I wouldn't draw because I couldn't

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Speaker 5: And she said I still can't draw, and I think

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Speaker 5: it's just I just said, well, she's got that, that's hers,

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Speaker 5: So I could there have been something there. I don't know,

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Speaker 6: Now, yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's.

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Speaker 3: Very important for if you can skillfully kind of navigate that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sisters, I can't wait till you come back

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Speaker 1: We have so many fun Sydney soon. Yeah, there's lots.

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Speaker 2: Watching a nineteen ninety two episode of The Young and

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Speaker 6: Looked like Laura Layton. Does she remember this?

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Speaker 6: You know. It reminds me of.

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Speaker 2: Like Junior high is sun in banda so let and

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Speaker 2: Baby Johnson's baby oil.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we'd lie.

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Speaker 6: Out all summer and get.

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Speaker 6: All right, we'll do more questions on our next Melrose.

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Speaker 3: Minute and at some point.

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Speaker 5: We don't have time now, but I want to know

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Speaker 5: if you guys remember when the cast did a Pantine commercial.

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Speaker 6: Laurie Real, Yeah, I remember, Lauria. We all did it.

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Speaker 5: That was when they could hire the whole cast an

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Speaker 3: I remember you and Billy, you and Andrew doing a campaign.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if Grant and I did one. I

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Speaker 1: A tie in, Yeah, for a super Bowl, I think

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Speaker 6: Oh oh that's cool. I don't know, it's yeah.

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Speaker 2: of like product placement.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they give the show the product and they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll keep sending in the questions.

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Speaker 6: We'll do more than one next time. How's that?

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Speaker 1: Well, we're really super in there, and yeah, we'll have

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, on that note, we I think we were pretty

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Speaker 1: good at maybe keeping this to a Melrose Minute instead

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Speaker 1: of the Melrose half hour today, which I think.

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Speaker 3: I think that's will more than a minute.

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Speaker 1: Look at us trying to follow the rule rule, but

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Speaker 1: you know we'll figure it out. But as always, thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in to Still the Place. Don't forget to

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Speaker 1: subscribe so you don't ever miss a Melrose Minute. We

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Speaker 1: love you all and we'll see you next time.

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Speaker 4: Bye everyone, Bye bye bye