1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: From the Bloomberg Interactive Burgers Studios. This is Bloomberg day 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Break for Tuesday, June twentieth. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 2: Coming up today, Secretary of State Anthony B. Lincoln comes 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: away from China with a promise to keep Talking Wall straight. 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: Awaits key congressional testimony from FED chair J. 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 3: Powell. 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: A surprise management shake up at Ali Baba. 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: And UBS Space is more fines tied to its takeover 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: of Credit Suite. 10 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 4: Search continues for tourists sub at in keep the Titanic 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 4: recorge site, plus of violence and deadly weather. Weekend in 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 4: the South. I'm Michael Barr. More ahead, I'm. 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 5: John Stasharan Sports and eleven to one rump for the 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 5: Mets in Houston, the slumping Yankees home tonight to play Seattle. 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 6: That's all straight Ahead on Bloomberg day Break, the business 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 6: news you need to starn your day in just one 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 6: fifteen minute podcast each morning on Apples, Spotify, the Bloomberg 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 6: Business app and everywhere you get your podcasts. 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan. 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the stories we're 21 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: following today. 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: We begin with apparent improvement in relations between the US 23 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: and China. Secretary of State Anthony blinkn has wrapped up 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: his trip to Beijing in both sides or saying the 25 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 2: talks were successful, but it's Bloomberg said, Baxter reports major 26 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: differences still remain. 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 7: The dialogue went well enough that Blincoln did meet with 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 7: President Shi Jimping, so communication lanes are more open, but 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 7: there remain differences and friction. Blincoln saying, evening the economic 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 7: playing field. 31 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: Defending against harmful trade practices, and protecting our critical technologies 32 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: so that they aren't used against US. 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 7: And she through a translator, putting the onus on the 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,279 Speaker 7: US to improve things. 35 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: I hope that through this visit, mister Secretary, you will 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: make more positive contributions to stabilizing China US relations. 37 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 7: She admonished Blnkin not to interfere with China's internal affairs. 38 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 7: Regarding Taiwan, Blincoln said, the US reserves are right to 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 7: defend Taiwan on the case of an attack. In San Francisco, 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 7: I'm at Baxter Bloomberg day break, All. 41 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 8: Right, thank you well. 42 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: China's foreign ministry is describing President She's meeting with Blincoln 43 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: as a courtesy. We get more from Bloomberg, Steven Engel 44 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: and Hong Kong. 45 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 9: The meeting that She din Ping gave to Blincoln is 46 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 9: a good sign. He didn't have to do it, and 47 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 9: he wouldn't have done it on Chinese soil if the 48 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 9: tone was bad. So that's how I lay out the 49 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 9: assessment of it. No deliverables other than small agreements perhaps 50 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 9: on visas and flights and the like, not any specifics, 51 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 9: but the big issues still remain. 52 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: Still Bloomberg Steven Engeler reports both sides agreed to keep talking. 53 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: Chinese Foreign Minister Chen Goong plans to visit Washington in 54 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: the coming months. 55 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 2: In other political news this morning, Karen former President Donald 56 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 2: Trump is speaking out again about the federal charges against him. 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: In a wide ranging interview with Fox News, the former 58 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: president said he did not return hundreds of classified documents 59 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: to the National Archives because he was too busy. Morris 60 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: has more from our Bloomberg ninety nine one newsroom in Washington. 61 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 8: Former President Donald Trump tells Fox that at the National 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 8: Archives wanted the documents return, they only had to ask. 63 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 10: Please, please please, could we have it back? 64 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 8: And while the National Archives did request the return of 65 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 8: the documents in the form of a subpoena, Trump says 66 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 8: he's been too busy to remove personal items from boxes 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 8: packed at the White House. 68 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 6: Before I send boxes over, I have to take all 69 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 6: of my things out. 70 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 11: These boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things. 71 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 8: Trump also claimed he didn't know there were classified military 72 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 8: plans among those documents, even though in an audio recording 73 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 8: he can be heard describing a document that shows Joint 74 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 8: chiefs of Staff Chairman Mark Milly want to do Invader 75 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 8: Ron as being highly confidential, saying he can't declassify it 76 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 8: now that he's out of office in Washington. I maymy 77 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 8: Morris Bloomberg day break a. 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: Right amy, thank you well. Turning to the markets, The 79 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: big event this week is coming up tomorrow and Thursday, 80 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: when Fed Chairman j Powell gives his semi annual report 81 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: to Congress, we get a preview with Bloomberg's Michael McKee. 82 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: Given his testimony comes just a week after his last 83 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: news conference, Chairman Pole isn't expected to make a lot 84 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: of headlines. What analysts and investors would like to hear 85 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: is more guidance about when and under what conditions the 86 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: Fed would raise rates again. Central bankers said last week 87 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: they anticipate two more moves this year. There will also 88 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: be questions about FED supervision of banks, particularly those which 89 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: failed in March. Did the FED consider the impact of 90 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: its rapid series of rate increases on the banks? And 91 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: lawmakers will want to know what additional regulation is coming 92 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: for the financial system. Michael McKee Bloomberg Daybreak. 93 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: All right, Mike, thank you. Ahead of that testimony, the 94 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: S and P five hundred heads into a holiday shortened 95 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: training week coming off five straight weekly gains. Chris Marangi 96 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 2: is co Chief Investment Officer at GAMCO. 97 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 10: The market reaction has been a little bit surprising, obviously, 98 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 10: give him a hawkish tone from the Fed. Either the 99 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 10: market doesn't believe the Fed, they think the Fed is bluffing, 100 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 10: or they don't care about another twenty five fifty bases 101 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 10: point increase in rates. I think it's more The. 102 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: Former GAMCOS Chris Maji notes the SMP five hundred is 103 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: up more than two twenty three percent from its October low. 104 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: Well back to Asia, we have more big news overnight. 105 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: Apart from the Secretary of State's visit, Ali Baba is 106 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: replacing Daniel Zeng as chairman of the group, and Blueberry 107 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: Daybreak Asia anchor Brian Curtis has more from Hong Kong. 108 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 11: Executive vice chair Joseph Zi becomes chairman of the board. 109 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 11: CI owns the Brooklyn Nets and is a confidant of 110 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 11: Ali Baba co founder Jack Maw. Eddie Wu, now chairman 111 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 11: of the TWBAW and Team Mall divisions, takes over his CEO, 112 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 11: the outgoing jong Ren Ali Baba as it bled market share. 113 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 11: His shock departure comes after Baba announced a six way 114 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 11: restructuring the ree org is an effort to gin up 115 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 11: growth by creating standalone firms that are more nimble. Some 116 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 11: analysts we spoke to said the changes show that Jack 117 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 11: maw is still the spiritual leader of Ali Baba in 118 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 11: Hong Kong. Brian Curtis Bloombergy Daybreak, Thank. 119 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: You, Brian. Staying in Asia, former Nissan CEO Carlos Goon 120 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: is suing the Japanese automaker over his twenty eighteen ouster 121 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: and arrest. Gon is seeking more than a billion dollars 122 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: from Nissan and connected individuals for what he calls deep 123 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: damage to his finances and reputation. The former auto exec 124 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: filest claims in Lebanon, where he's lived since his escape 125 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: from Japan in late twenty nineteen to flee trial. 126 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: Well in Europe, Nathan shares a UBS or down almost 127 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: one percent. Bloomberg News has learned the Swiss bank is 128 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: facing one hundreds of millions of dollars in fines. Time 129 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: to credit sweeze dealings with Archie Ghost Capital, UBS has 130 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: inherited a long list of unresolved cases following the completion 131 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: of its emergency takeover of Credit Suisse. 132 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: Time now to take a look at some of the 133 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: other stories making news in New York and around the world, 134 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: including a dramatic situation in the Atlantic. Here's Michael bar 135 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: Good morning, Michael. 136 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 4: Good morning, Nathan. A desperate search continues about four hundred 137 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: and thirty five miles south of Saint John's, Newfoundland, as 138 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 4: the Titanic wreckage site submarine that takes scientists and tourists 139 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 4: to see the wreck went missing Sunday. Five people are 140 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 4: on board the Titanic lies at the bottom of the 141 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: thirteen thousand feet down. Coastguard Rear Admiral John Maugert. 142 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 12: The use of saunar, buies and sonar on the ship 143 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 12: that's out there to listen for any sounds that we 144 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 12: can detect in the water column. 145 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 4: Admiral John Magers says there is enough there to survive 146 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 4: for just ninety six hours. Gun violence March Juneteenth celebrations 147 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: in several cities. Sixteens were shot in Milwaukee. Police say 148 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 4: it started as a fight between a group of females. 149 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 4: Across Chicago, police say at least ten people were killed 150 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: and sixty more injured in shootings. Mass shootings were also 151 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 4: reported in San Francisco, Baltimore, and Philadelphia. Several tornadoes touched 152 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 4: down in Mississippi yesterday, leaving at least one person dead 153 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: and more than two dozen herd Officials in Moss Point 154 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 4: say hundreds of buildings were damaged or destroyed. Mayor Billy Knight. 155 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 13: Oh jim Nasium is at the high school is heavily damaged, 156 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 13: and the administration Angy School District's destroyed. The church run 157 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 13: across the street from given if the roof is off. 158 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 13: The houses and other businesses in that ariial main street 159 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 13: perim well damage as well. 160 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 4: The Mississippi Emergency Management Agency says more than forty nine 161 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: hundred homes in the central part of the state are 162 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 4: without power. Singer b. B. Rexa was injured after a 163 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 4: cell phone was thrown from the audience and struck her 164 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 4: in the face during a concert in Manhattan. It happened 165 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 4: at the rooftop at Pier seventeen in Lower Manhattan over 166 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 4: the long holiday weekend. During her last song in the set. 167 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 4: The phone came in from the crowd, striking near her 168 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 4: left eye. Rexa dropped to her knees and helped buy 169 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 4: security off the stage. She was taken to a hospital 170 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 4: and is set to receive three stitches along with a 171 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 4: black eye. Police in Manalapan, New Jersey, say twenty seven 172 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: year old Nicholas Malvagna was arrested in charge with a 173 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 4: salt Global News twenty four hours a day, powered by 174 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 4: more been twenty seven hundred journalist natilists over one hundred 175 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 4: and twenty countries. I'm Michael barn This is Bloomberg, Nathan. 176 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 2: Thanks Michael, time now for the Bloomberg Sports up Day. 177 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: Good morning, John Stan Schewer. 178 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: Good morning, Nathan. 179 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 5: The Mets went to Houston having lost eleven of their 180 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 5: last fourteen games and only three National League teams having 181 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 5: a worst record, and they had to face the Astros, 182 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 5: defending world champs. Although this season Houston's in just third 183 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 5: place in the als. Then the Mets crushed them eleven 184 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 5: to one a five run third inning with home runs 185 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 5: by Daniel vogelback in Francisco Lindor, and the Mets for 186 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 5: good measure, tacked on five more in the ninth. Max Scherzer, 187 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 5: in his previous two starts, had given up eleven runs 188 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 5: and eighteen hits. This time he gave up one run 189 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 5: only four hits. He went eight innings for the first 190 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 5: time as a Met. It's Justin Verlander tonight against his 191 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 5: old team. Verlander last night got his World Series ring 192 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 5: at the stadium. Tonight will be Garrett Cole against Seattle's 193 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 5: George Kirby, the Westchester native who three weeks ago hurled 194 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 5: eight scoreless innings against the Yanks, who are pretty much 195 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 5: not scoring against anyone these days. Their manager is Aaron Boom. 196 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 14: The most part, we've been playing pretty well. We just 197 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 14: haven't scored a lot, and we find ourselves on the 198 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 14: losing side of things. So we got a you know, 199 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 14: the biggest thing right now is just collectively offensively, we 200 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 14: gotta you know, we got to find a way and 201 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 14: and and kind of turn the page and know that, yeah, 202 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 14: this is a little bit of a tough stretch, but 203 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 14: can't all do it by yourself. 204 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 5: Thanks Just four and eight since the Aaron Judge toe injury. 205 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 5: NBA news with the Draft approaching Thursday, the big trade 206 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 5: Bradley Beale for Chris Paul Bild joining two other big 207 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 5: scores Kevin Rant, Devin Booker and Phoenix. Paul for now 208 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 5: is with Washington, but he could be moved again to 209 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 5: be bought out. Said he found out about the trade 210 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 5: in a text from his son, Draymond Green. Eleven seasons 211 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 5: with the Golden State, winner of four championships, he opted out. 212 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 5: Have we an unrestricted free agent. The Warriors say they 213 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 5: want to keep Green, He says he wants to stay. 214 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: John Stashing Bloomberg Sports. 215 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 6: From coast to coast, from New York to Francisco. 216 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 4: Boston to Washington, DC. 217 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 6: Nationwide on Syrias Exam, the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg 218 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 6: dot Com. 219 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak. Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager. Stocks 220 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: are headed into this holiday shortened trading week on a 221 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: five week winning streak for the S and P five hundred, 222 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 2: but this second quarter rally could be running into some 223 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: resistance from economic headwinds and signs the market is getting overbought. 224 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: But let's get some more analysis. Now we're joined by 225 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: Dennis Gartman, the chairman of the University of Akron Endowment 226 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 2: Investment Committee and the former publisher of the Gartman Letter. 227 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: Dennis got to ask you, do you think this market's 228 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: getting overbought? 229 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 15: Just a matter of how seriously overbought it that it 230 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 15: has become an a is. I hate to bring up 231 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 15: a another group, but then serin Greed index has risen 232 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 15: to eighty two, which is as egregiously overbought as I 233 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 15: have seen it in the past ten years. And when 234 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 15: you get to anything over eighty on the CNN Fair 235 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 15: and Greed indexes seriously extended market, You've got The market 236 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 15: has what we commonly said in the last several months, 237 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 15: bad breadth. The number of stocks that are down for 238 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 15: the year is substantively higher than the number of stocks 239 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 15: that are up for the year, and only seven or 240 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 15: ten of the stocks on the S and P five 241 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 15: hundred have accounted for all of the gain thus far. 242 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:29,119 Speaker 15: So yes, the market is egregiously, preposterously, seriously, almost comically overbought, 243 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 15: and do for correction. But I've said that for the 244 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 15: past three weeks or four weeks or so. So I've 245 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 15: been wrong for the past month, sadly wrong. But I'm 246 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 15: not going to buy the market up here. If anything, 247 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 15: I'm going to be slightly not short, or certainly if 248 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 15: you're egregiously long at this point, getting less long, I 249 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 15: think is a reasonable and viable and proper course of 250 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 15: action to take. 251 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: Well, what do you think has fueled the rally at 252 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: this point and what would it take to get to 253 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 2: that correction that you have been forecasting for the past 254 00:12:59,440 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: few weeks. 255 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 15: Here, the FET has been less tight then they said 256 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 15: it would be. They were supposed to be taking ninety 257 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 15: five billion dollars worth of treasury securities out of the 258 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 15: market out of its balance sheet over the course of 259 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 15: the past several months, and it's only taking about sixty 260 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 15: five billion out. That's I think the reason why we've 261 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 15: had a stronger rally, plus the fact that the Fed 262 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 15: has been less stringent as far as rate the level 263 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 15: of the overnight Fed funds rate for the course of 264 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 15: the past several months. We're going to get another increase 265 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 15: in the Fed funds rate again when the Fed meets 266 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 15: in July, but that probably shall be the end of 267 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 15: it for the long period of time. But anybody who 268 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 15: expects to see the THAD begin to ease monetary policy that, 269 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 15: anybody who expects to see the THEAED begin to allow 270 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 15: the overnight deed funds rate to decline in the next 271 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 15: six months is probably wrong with The Fed is probably 272 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 15: going to be less amenable to any cut in the 273 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 15: overnight Fed funds rate until at least twenty twenty four, 274 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 15: maybe till quite very late in twenty twenty four before 275 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 15: we see that. So you've had, I think a very 276 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 15: small handful of stocks that are driven the stock market higher, 277 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 15: and I think that's coming to an end. So the 278 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 15: CNN there and greed indext at eighty two is as 279 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 15: egregiously overbought as we have seen the market in several years. 280 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: It's interesting, Dennis, that you think that one more rate 281 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: hike could be one and done for the FED. What 282 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: makes you say that, given that we did hear from 283 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: Chairman Powell last week the possibility that we could get 284 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: another couple of rate hikes before they head into a 285 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: long term pause mode. 286 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 15: Well, his comments and comments from mister Waller and comments 287 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 15: from the President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond 288 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 15: would indicate that they could get two more rate increases 289 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 15: before they're done. What's the difference between one or two? 290 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 15: To be quite honest, the fact that we've gotten about 291 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 15: five percent is from zero over the course of the 292 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 15: past two years. If you miss it by one by 293 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 15: one more, one more increase, you you've done a pretty 294 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 15: good job. And when they when the SAD began the 295 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 15: process of raising the overnight Fed funds rate two years ago, 296 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 15: I made the statement then that they were going to 297 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 15: take rates far farther and for a far longer period 298 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 15: of time than anybody had anticipated, and actually said that 299 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 15: we probably get close to five percent before it was done. 300 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 15: And I've been right for the past two years on that. 301 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 15: So if we if we if I miss it by 302 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 15: one more cut or one more increase, I think they'll 303 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 15: get one. If they get two. That my miss has 304 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 15: been relatively minor at that point. So I'm not too 305 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 15: certain that Powell will say much more this week when 306 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 15: he appears before Congress. He's going to reiterate the fact 307 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 15: that they're going to they're sticking to their two percent 308 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 15: target as far as the inflation rate is concerned. So 309 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 15: we'll let's just say that we've seen the vast majority 310 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 15: of the rate increases. Whether we get one or two 311 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 15: is really quite inconsequential as far as I'm concerned. 312 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: Just thirty seconds left, Dennis, what's your call for recession risk? 313 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 15: I thought we've been in recession for a while. It's 314 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 15: going to be if we we had. The NBER has 315 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 15: not made it statement yet. I think we'll look back 316 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 15: and realize that in real terms, we were probably in 317 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 15: recession for the past six months. I think we're going 318 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 15: to be in a We'll have toway for the NBER 319 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 15: to make it statement later later this year or early 320 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 15: next year, and they always are six months to nine 321 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 15: months later in making the announcements. So I think we're 322 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 15: going to be in recession. And if here depends on 323 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 15: which industry you're in. 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