1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Well, Ravens fans, welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: We are excited to be joined by Brandon Stevens, jack 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: of all trades. But right now you're starting quarterback for 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: this team and coming off playing every single snap in 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: that week one victory over the Houston Texans. 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 2: So how do you feeling this week? 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 3: Man? I feel good? Feel good. 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 4: Shoot, it's a it's a big week, you know for 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 4: all of us, you know, for this team, divisional game. 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 4: But I mean we're all excited, man, ready to ready 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 4: to get after it. 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's just start with that game coming up 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: against the Bengals. What's your approach as a player? Do 14 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: you did you get motivated by last year? Do you 15 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: flush that and not think about it? Like everyone's got 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: like kind of a different mindset on how to motivate themselves. 17 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: What's your approach? 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, I think you know, a game like this, uh, 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 4: I think just the game itself. You know, it's motivating. 20 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 4: You know, it's a divisional game. You know, we know 21 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 4: these guys, they know us and know it. Honestly, doesn't 22 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 4: get better than that, you know, And so yeah, just 23 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 4: the game and stuff. Man. 24 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: At the end of the day. 25 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 4: We was just trying to be want to know this 26 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 4: week and you know there is a little bit more 27 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 4: juice that comes with this game. 28 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait. 29 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, man, last week not only playing everything. I mean, 30 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 5: you were laying some wood on Sunday. A couple of 31 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 5: times you went in press spots weichup would be quiet. 32 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 5: I was like, oh, that's definitely come from your running 33 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 5: back day. So I mean now that you didn't tagle before, 34 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 5: but I mean, really you laid some shots. Just tell 35 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 5: me about that. Hey, seatball hit balls. It's as simple 36 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 5: as that. 37 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 4: Uh yeah, just you know coach Chris, you know he 38 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 4: you know, he always preaches, you know, play the game 39 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 4: it was supposed to be played, you know, physical and 40 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 4: you know, just just hair on fire and so you know, 41 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 4: that's that's just what we talk about in the dB room, 42 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: in the dB room, and so we uh yeah, that's 43 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 4: that's all that was. 44 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. You I started as a running back in college. 45 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 5: Now you know obviously defensive back and play both corner 46 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 5: and safety. Did it take a lot of convincing at first, 47 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 5: like to switch positions or just tell me how that 48 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 5: came about. Switching sides of the ball. 49 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 4: Really yeah, it did. It did take a little bit 50 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 4: of convention. Uh you know, after I left, you know, 51 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 4: you say, LA to go to SMU. You know, most 52 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 4: of the schools that you know would recruit me, will 53 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 4: recruit me as a running back, you know. And uh, 54 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 4: you know, I taught them what my mindset was. I 55 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: wanted to play on defense. Da da da da dah. 56 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 4: And uh you know, they they're just like, there's there's 57 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 4: no way, like no chance, and so so yeah, I 58 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 4: had to do a little bit of convincing and make 59 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: a couple of you know, tapes, so I can you know, 60 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: do the simple things backpedal, uh, so on and so on. 61 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, why did they say no chance? 62 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: Honestly? 63 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: I think cause I was I was about two twenty five, right, 64 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 4: and I mean you just never see that, you know. 65 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 4: And so I had a you know, I had to 66 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 4: to do what I had to do to you know, 67 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 4: change my uh just my just my body type, my 68 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: body style, and you know, slim up a little bit. 69 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, everybody's got their own opinion. So yeah, 70 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: it worked out. Okay, Oh yeah, definitely. 71 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: So on the position thing, the thing I'm curious about 72 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: is more recently, so you know, you've been a corner 73 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: and a safety. You can plan the nickel if needed, 74 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: like kind of the jack of all trades and this 75 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: a few guys like that on this defense, but you're 76 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: probably kind of the poster child of that ability to 77 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: be a Swiss Army knife. So, like back in the 78 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: off season program at the beginning of OTAs, John Harball 79 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: made the point like he's primarily working at safety and 80 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: now week one you're starting corner. Now, part of that's 81 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: by necessity Moreland goes down, but kind of take me 82 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: through this off season, like, were you thinking at one 83 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: point I'm going to be I'm a safety or like, 84 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: take me through kind of your thought process on how 85 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: this whole position thing and how we ended up to 86 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: this point here going into week two. 87 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know was and I was talking 88 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 4: to one of my mentors back home about it, you know, 89 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 4: when coach Harball made the statement that I'll be playing safety, 90 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 4: and so we were just talking. He's also my uh 91 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 4: uh my coach that I trained with in the off season, 92 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 4: so we were just talking about, you know, how we're 93 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: just gonna approach the off season, how we're gonna train 94 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 4: and you know, he just told me, like, b like 95 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 4: you gotta stay in tune to corner, Like you gotta 96 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: stay in tune. It's gonna translate to safety, you know. 97 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 4: And so that was just my mindset, you know, because 98 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 4: you know, at any point, I just felt like I'll 99 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 4: be plugged in at a different spot. 100 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: You know. 101 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: I at the time, I was as a planning as 102 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 4: a safety, but I just out in my mind, like 103 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 4: just continue just training that corner, you know what I mean, 104 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 4: it'll both translate to corner nickel safety and uh, you know, 105 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 4: whenever my numbers called that whatever position, you know, just 106 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 4: do what I gotta do. 107 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: Do you like, do you care? Do you want to 108 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: be a corner? It sounds to me like you gotta 109 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: want to be a corner. 110 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 4: I want to be on the field. That's that's that's 111 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: number one thing. But not I enjoy corner man. That's 112 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 4: what I played in college. Yeah, you know a little 113 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: bit of safety in college, but mainly at corner. 114 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, I love playing corner man. Yeah. 115 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, now I like the shirt. Healthy there There's been 116 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 5: a lot to talk about. You know, Lamar has missed 117 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 5: the last few Bengals games. But yourself, you didn't get 118 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 5: a chance to play, you know, the end of season 119 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 5: last year against them either as much as you're willing 120 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 5: to go into like tell us about that. I mean, 121 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 5: because we are today like showing for the game that 122 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 5: you weren't gonna be able to play, and that was, 123 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 5: you know, unusual situation. 124 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was. 125 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 4: Uh. I was actually just talking about that right before 126 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: I came up here with a D and Pepe. But yeah, 127 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 4: it was a little crazy time last year, kind of 128 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 4: little unexpected, you know, because I was playing on playing, 129 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 4: uh and then some things happened. But I'm you know, 130 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 4: getting my chance now to go out there, like I 131 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 4: said before, against the visual opponent, and so that's that's 132 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 4: all I'm looking forward to. 133 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: Man. 134 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, like the Bengals o't see great offense, did not 135 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 5: play well Sunday, you know, didn't score. You guys, even 136 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 5: though they've gotten the edge the last few games have 137 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 5: done well against them defensively. Does that play into I mean, 138 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 5: you guys believe you can stop anybody, But do you 139 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 5: guys feel like, hey, we know them really well because 140 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 5: we've seen them so much like those third time last 141 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 5: four games, and that you guys feel pretty good about 142 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 5: what you can do against them. 143 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, you know, all eleven of us, you know, 144 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: studying and then you know just as as a defense 145 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 4: with studying NonStop. And so you know, like you said, 146 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 4: this is a team that we've seen before. You know, 147 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 4: we know them pretty well. You know, I'm sure they'll 148 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 4: have their little game plans, will have ours blah blah blah. 149 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, man, it comes 150 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 3: down to one thing. 151 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 4: Who plays the most physical out there and who you know, 152 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 4: what team can with all three phases, can can work 153 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 4: together as one. 154 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm curious for you when you get these opportunities, you know, 155 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: to start. It's it's I think it says a lot 156 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: about you. Like, you know, Marlon gets hurt. They they 157 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: bring in some new guys. You know, there's second year 158 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: players like like Jalen you know who's who you know, 159 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: dealt with some injuries, and basically there was kind of 160 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: a competition. They bring in Rock, they bring in Derby, 161 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: and like you end up being the guy that gets 162 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: the chance to start week one when Marlon goes down. 163 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: What did that like with that, I gotta believe that 164 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: was something that was significant to you, Like this is 165 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: a competition, and there's there's guys that they bring in, 166 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: there's players that they've drafted. Like it's kind of a 167 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: little bit wide open. We already talked about you playing 168 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: safety and then you're playing corners, so like you kind 169 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: of are doing a little bit of everything for you 170 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: to win that job week one. What did that mean 171 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: to you? 172 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? 173 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: I mean, uh, you know, just just going into you know, 174 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 4: trying to camp. You know, just the only thing that's 175 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: on my mind is just just went a job. You know, 176 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 4: whoever it's a just went a job. And so I 177 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 4: knew there was competition at uh at corner, and so 178 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 4: you know, I just opproached to each day and try 179 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 4: to win each day, you know what I mean, and 180 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 4: just control what I could control, Uh, make players out there, 181 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 4: you know, get earned the coaches trust, and uh just 182 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 4: become a better, you know player than I was last year. 183 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: Going into this. 184 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: Year, where do you think you made your biggest strives 185 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: in your career so far? 186 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: Man? Uh, I think just just. 187 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: Becoming a becoming a vocal player, you know, becoming a 188 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 4: leader in the dB room, and and also you know, 189 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 4: just on the field things you know, just uh just coverage, 190 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 4: you know, understanding where guys are going to be at 191 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 4: and just playing you know, just uh being a step 192 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: closer to my work, you know, and playing faster and 193 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 4: seeing things before they happened. 194 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: So, like, you know, Cliff was talking about the game 195 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: this weekend. You go into a game against a divisional 196 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: opponent and they've got some of the best receivers in 197 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: the game on the edge of mar Chase and t 198 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: Higgins and Boyd, Like it's a really good group, and 199 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: so like what is your mindset? Do you go into 200 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: it thinking like, all right, they're gonna test me. You know, 201 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm a guy that's we talked about this before, Like 202 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm a player that's stepping into the starting 203 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: lineup here, and I've got to be ready. I've got 204 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: I know that they're gonna test me, and like I 205 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: kind of believe that. As a competitor, you like that too, 206 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: because like this is your chance to kind of show 207 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: everybody that, like, hey, I'm going up against some of 208 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: the best in the league, a quarterback that just got 209 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: the big contract, some of these big receivers, and this 210 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: is like an opportunity for you to put it on 211 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: display in a really big game. For this team. 212 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 213 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's it's definitely it's you know, it's it's 214 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 4: a huge opportunity for me. Uh, it's a huge opportunity 215 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 4: for you know, our secondary in general. You know, you 216 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 4: know this this will be our first time against his 217 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 4: team with the guys in the secondary, you know, together 218 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 4: and so you know, we know that we uh, we know, 219 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 4: we know who we're going against, and you know, they're 220 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 4: they're probably looking past you know who we have right now, 221 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 4: uh in the secondary, but uh, you know, at the 222 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 4: end of the game, we just hope they remember this game, 223 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, I mean, and and have 224 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 4: a bad memory of this game. 225 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 3: So h but now we're excited for it. 226 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 4: Man, I'm definitely looking up looking forward to the matchups 227 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 4: with whoever's in front of me. 228 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 229 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 5: Man, I like that you mentioned becoming more of a leader. 230 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 5: I mean, we've got some new guys in the secondary 231 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 5: this year. You know, Darby Malette Rock, this is your 232 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 5: second year in this defense. Do you feel that it's 233 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 5: giving you a it's kind of an edge knowing the 234 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 5: defense you know, haven't been here before. And also have 235 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 5: they leaned on you at all to like kind of 236 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 5: you know, show them some robes and then how do 237 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 5: you feel about, you know, embracing that that kind of 238 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 5: role for you even though you're a young player. 239 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. 240 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're always talking, you know, the guys that you 241 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 4: know we just brought in, you know Darby, you know 242 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 4: my let you know, they're always coming to me trying 243 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 4: to you know, just getting a little tips, getting a 244 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 4: little reminders of what to do, you know, what is 245 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 4: their progression you know in the certain coverages and so 246 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 4: on and so on. 247 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: But uh uh. 248 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is my second year in this defense, 249 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 4: in this scheme. But you know, also a lot has 250 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 4: been put on my plate with playing different positions, so 251 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: you know, I've a pretty good understanding of what's going on. 252 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 4: And so you know, they they trust me to you know, 253 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 4: have the right answers when they come to me, and so, 254 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 4: uh just try to get everybody on the same page. 255 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 5: Well you a guy like even high Scocus who always 256 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 5: liked film study, or did you have to kind of 257 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 5: like realize it, man, I really need to do this 258 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 5: to you know, maybe have an edge on guys who 259 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 5: weren't putting in the time that you do. 260 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know the film study you know, 261 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 4: obviously the film study changes from me in the offensive 262 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 4: guy to the defensive guy. You know, when I was 263 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 4: on offense, I'm I'm trying to see how these linebackers 264 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 4: you know, Russian and they got and uh and now 265 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 4: you know it changes a little bit. You gotta look, 266 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 4: you know, look for schemes, different tendencies. But yeah, as 267 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 4: a young cat, you know, you never really understand uh, 268 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 4: how how critical you know a film study can be. 269 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 4: You know, when when the bullets are flying out there, 270 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: and so you know, as you know, as I've you know, 271 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 4: I'm only in my third third year and I'm always 272 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 4: trying to get better at my film study, trying to 273 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: get tips from you know, de becauses of how you 274 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 4: know I should be watching film, what to look for 275 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 4: week to week and stuff like that. 276 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: So I just want to go back to the position 277 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: change from running back, and we had on the podcast previously. 278 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: We did talk a little bit about that in the history. 279 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: But just if viewers and listeners don't know, you were 280 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: a running back and went to UCLA and then you 281 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: transferred into SMU and you switched to TB and play 282 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: corner there. Yeah, so the running back thing has been 283 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: like a massive conversation in the league this year, and 284 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: I feel like there's probably nobody. I mean, maybe there's others, 285 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: but like you understand that better than maybe anybody in 286 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: the sense, like you made that transition, you switched, and 287 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: like a lot part of the conversation now is like, 288 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, if you could go for some of these 289 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: running backs, Like if you could go back and do it, 290 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: would you stay as a running back or would you 291 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: switch to another position? Not every running back could necessarily 292 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: switch to another position, but based on your size and 293 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: the way you play the game, you obviously could. 294 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: So I'm just curious, like. 295 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: You're probably not thinking about contracts, you know, when you're 296 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: nineteen years old and you're making that switch, Like, was 297 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: that at all part of the conversation. How glad are 298 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: you that you did make that switch, Like it's just 299 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: you have this like fascinating perspective on this whole conversation 300 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: in the NFL right now. 301 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think a part of the conversation 302 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: you know that I had, you know, with my family 303 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 4: when I made the transition. Excuse me, it was uh, 304 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 4: just longevity. 305 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: So it was a thought. 306 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 4: It was interesting, Yeah, it was it was just longevity 307 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 4: and and also you know, where do I see myself 308 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 4: playing in the league. But yeah, so that that was 309 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 4: a conversation that I've had. It wasn't it had nothing 310 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 4: to do with you know, contract this and that, but 311 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 4: it was just you know, how what where can I 312 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 4: play in the league the longest, you know, just to 313 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 4: have a lasting career and uh and you know, obviously 314 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: I you know, believe that was dB and took that shot. 315 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: That's interesting. Do you think other guys, you know, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, 316 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: eighteen year olds like these days will do something similar 317 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: for that for those reasons. 318 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 4: They may, uh, you know, I feel like the game 319 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 4: is kind of going towards you know guys. It's it's 320 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: kind of making guys, you know just look, uh, you know, 321 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 4: look deeper into what position they are playing. I feel like, 322 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 4: you know, you know, you know, everybody wants to score touchdowns, 323 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 4: you know, and literally you know, uh, you know, playing 324 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 4: varsity at the high school. You know, but you know, 325 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 4: who wants to do the who wants to do dirty 326 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 4: work you know on defense and make those those you know, 327 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 4: game winning tackles and whatnot. But yeah, so I think 328 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 4: the game is is heading towards you know, guys, taking 329 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 4: a closer look at that interesting. 330 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like when you're playing a little 331 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: league and you go to your first practice, like the 332 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: best kid is running back, right, or the best quarterback 333 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: running back or quarterback, and so like, natch, I'm guessing 334 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: that was the case for you when you started playing. 335 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: They're like, all right, he's the best kid. Let's put 336 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: him it put. 337 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: Him it roight. 338 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly if you wanted to carry the ball 339 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: every single play. And then it's like you look at 340 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: look at it. You know, if you have the ability 341 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: to be a pro player, you know, which is a 342 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: small percentage, but like, if you have that ability. It's 343 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: interesting that even at that point that was on the 344 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: top of your mind. Were you paying attention to the 345 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: whole running back conversation this off season. 346 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: A little bit? A little bit, honestly, not too much. 347 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 4: It's it's interesting, man, h Honestly, I don't know what 348 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 4: what to think of it all. You know, it's it's 349 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: it's tough for them right now, and uh yeah, I 350 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 4: don't know. 351 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 5: Many it's fascinating you wrong, You've graduated in three years 352 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 5: that yes, sir, Okay, that's highly impressed, especially being a 353 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 5: football player. 354 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it wasn't easy. I believe. 355 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 5: What were you majoring and where you've always been a 356 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 5: book guy? Man, that that's really impressive to me that 357 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 5: you did that. 358 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I'm mentioned in psychology and sociology and you know, honestly, 359 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 4: I just had to just stack classes just so I 360 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 4: could save your eligibility. When I went to s m 361 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 4: U S, I just was taking like five sists classes 362 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 4: a quarter and in the quarter system, that's a lot. 363 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: That's that's the time, because it's only ten weeks of 364 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 4: school each quarter. But yeah, man, I just sacked it 365 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 4: up and you know, across my fingers less graduated save 366 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 4: another year. 367 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 5: So so what would you're not a football player, what 368 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 5: would you be doing? Do you think if you weren't 369 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 5: playing football? 370 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 4: If I wasn't playing football, man, honestly, I would you know, 371 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 4: I grew up around my parents doing real estate. You know, 372 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 4: my mom does it in Chicago, Uh, you know, and 373 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 4: I've kind of seen how you know she she is 374 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: it from a you know, uh a close view, upfront 375 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 4: and personal. But I think I would do residential. I'm 376 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 4: hopefully this off season I get into commercial, uh real estate. 377 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: I just you know, got to learn a little bit more. 378 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 5: But yeah, man's hot right now. 379 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: Man, we're gonna be trying to you know, buy one 380 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: of Brandon's houses. 381 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 382 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: Man. Well, you know, when we look back, we're having 383 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: a conversation at the end of the year, and I 384 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: just think this is a huge year for you. I 385 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: think that, like you start as strong. I think that 386 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: you're going to continue to be a really important player 387 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: for this team in different ways. Like what do you 388 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: kind of want to show everybody this year? And what 389 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: do you want us to be saying when this year 390 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: is over? 391 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I just you know, first and foremost, 392 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 4: I just want to you know, just continue to prove myself, 393 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 4: uh to myself and you know, into others, you know, 394 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 4: and you know, and not make it a doubt is 395 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 4: if we you know, we need you know, another corner 396 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 4: you know coming in next year. Like that's you know, 397 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 4: just being honest, That's that's what my mindset is. And uh, 398 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 4: you know, and just going with that. You know, it's 399 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 4: it's a weak to weak thing, you know, So it's 400 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 4: you know, you just focus on the now, focus on 401 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 4: what I can control and just continue to play you know, 402 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 4: Baltimore football, you know, playing fast and playing physical. 403 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of piggingball over that. To me, ever since 404 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 5: the summer, I've kind of since talking to guys, it's 405 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 5: this defense believes it can be special and even with 406 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 5: the injuries that to me, the mindset hasn't changed. I mean, 407 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 5: like I have a feeling that you guys feel like 408 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 5: you could be the NFL's best defense. I mean, I 409 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 5: know you guys don't talk about it like every day, 410 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 5: but do you feel that kind of yourself being a 411 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 5: part of defense that there's a different mindset or mindset 412 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 5: that like, hey, if we play the way we're capable of, 413 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 5: we can carry a lot of load this year and 414 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 5: be the NFL's best defense. 415 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 416 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, uh, I don't think the mindset has changed, 417 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 4: uh per se. You know, I think just the three 418 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 4: years I've been here, you know, it's always you know, 419 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 4: we can we can be the best. And we don't 420 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 4: just say that just to say that, uh, but we 421 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 4: you know, we definitely have a special group this year, 422 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 4: and you know, we we truly believe like we can 423 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: we can be the best defense in this league and uh, 424 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 4: you know, you know, just going back to last week, 425 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 4: you know we uh you know, it was it was. 426 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 4: It was a good game to see where we're at. 427 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 4: And you know, obviously we got you know, things to 428 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 4: work on, just like any other team. 429 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: But we we know that we. 430 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 4: Can, we can really you know, reach the top, you 431 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 4: know with this defense and uh and you know, just 432 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 4: just lead this team to you know, super Bowl. 433 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 3: I like that. Let's do that. 434 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: We really appreciate your time. Thank you, and best of 435 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: luck the rest. 436 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: Of the well appreciate ya. Thank you. 437 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the last We want to give a 438 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: shout out to our friends at DraftKings sports Book, which 439 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: is an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens. 440 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: For new users. 441 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: As a promo code of Flock, if you download the 442 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: Draft Kings Sportsbook app, you can get a one thousand 443 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: dollars deposit bonus. Again, that promo code is Flock only. 444 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: At DraftKings Sportsbook. 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Feels like 454 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 6: I never left. 455 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you knew your way around, but you haven't actually 456 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: been to this version of the lounge. 457 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 6: I haven't. I haven't, And you know, I hope I 458 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 6: didn't set off any security alarm. I walked in here. 459 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, does your ID still work? 460 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 6: Let me tell you a Monday after I was done. 461 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 6: It did not know nothing work. 462 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: Email gone gone, box card gone gone. 463 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, John, John was a friend of the Lounge 464 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: back when we were basically doing it in a closet 465 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: or an old office. So we've upgraded since then. But 466 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: we're excited to have John back because you got a 467 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: new book, and John has written many books. The latest 468 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: is Rocket Men. Okay, I want to hold it up 469 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: here for the camera so everyone can see its Rocketman. Yes, 470 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: black quarterbacks who revolutionize pro football. 471 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 6: So all right, thank you. Yeah, it's just out, just out. 472 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: It is available now, so you can get it on 473 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 2: Amazon or. 474 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 6: Bookstores, bookstores everywhere. I had friends to send me a text. 475 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 6: They bought it at a bookstore in Seattle, so it's everywhere. 476 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 6: So yeah, that was nice. 477 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: So just to get your obviously, the Ravens have, you know, role, 478 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: certainly in this book have Lamar Jackson as a quarterback. 479 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: And it's not just Lamar. I'm curious to start, you 480 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: know with this book. How how prevalent are the Ravens 481 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: in this organization in this book? 482 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 6: Well, they're real prevalent. 483 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 3: Uh. 484 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 6: What's interesting is that, now not everybody that reads it 485 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 6: is going to get this, but they will. Anybody that 486 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 6: understands the Ravens will see that. I had some great 487 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 6: interviews with people that work here, and you know, it's 488 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 6: not Lamar, it's not the main like t Martin, the 489 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 6: quarterbacks coach, fantastic interview course. He played at University of Tennessee, 490 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 6: succeeded Peyton Manning, won a national championship. Is a unbelievable 491 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 6: guy to talk to you about the history of black quarterbacks. 492 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 6: He's just knowledgeable and smart and h and just was 493 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 6: great on the subject. Ozzy. I talked to Ozzy. You 494 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 6: know it was he you know, he was a quarterback 495 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 6: until about eighth grade. He told me, and uh then 496 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 6: he saw their handwriting on the wall and so that 497 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 6: was gone. And uh so, just a lot of guys. 498 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 6: I interviewed Greg Roman, the former offensive coordinator, who was 499 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 6: a great guy to talk to about it about you know, 500 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 6: he was Colin Kaepernick's offensive coordinator in uh San Francisco 501 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 6: the early days of Kaepernick's career when he was an 502 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 6: incredible football player, and met the Ravens in the Super Bowl. 503 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 6: So tons of Ravens of stuff going through it, you know, 504 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 6: and the Ravens come off looking good. I'll say that 505 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 6: because you know, some teams don't have a long history 506 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 6: black quarterbacks from day one. Here there's a long history 507 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 6: of it, and so the Ravens come off looking good 508 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 6: in this book. 509 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for the copy of the book, ton I 510 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 5: just haven't had a chance to read it. I've only 511 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 5: had it like for five minutes. But I do want 512 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 5: to ask you too. You talked about Ozzie being a 513 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 5: quarterback to like eighth grade. You must have run into 514 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 5: some stories about guys who were discouraged from playing the position, 515 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 5: and of course of doing this book, I'm just curious 516 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 5: about these stories you might have about that, like guys 517 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 5: talking about how they had to fight for the chance 518 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 5: to play quarterback. 519 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 6: Well, there's tons of them. That's really the basic tenor 520 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 6: of the book. So many generations. Things just are better, 521 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 6: so much better now with Lamar and Patrick Mahomes and 522 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 6: I believe it was fourteen starters and the league put 523 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 6: out a release about it, and you know, so that's 524 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 6: a great thing to see. But there's generations of guys 525 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 6: that were denied or had to change, that had no choice, 526 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 6: had to change positions, and I mean it goes back, 527 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 6: goes back generations. 528 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: You know. 529 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 6: Gene Washington is an old name. Was was a receiver. 530 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 6: I don't think he's in the Hall of Fame, but 531 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 6: played for the forty nine interview had wound up having 532 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 6: a big job in the league. I know, he was 533 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 6: a quarterback at Stanford and just decided, if I'm going 534 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 6: to be in the pros, I'm not, I need to 535 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 6: change positions. So he became a wide receiver. Now, not 536 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 6: in the book, but I believe, and Kwan Bolden was 537 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 6: an outstanding quarterback in high school and made the decision 538 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 6: that if I'm going to have a pro career, it's 539 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 6: not going to be a quarterback. So because there's too 540 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 6: much decision making that works against me in the pro. 541 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 6: So he became a receiver. I'd say that worked out 542 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 6: pretty well with Ozzie. 543 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: To cliffs point, did he make the decision to switch 544 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: to receiver tight end at that point, because I mean, 545 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: he knew he's going to be pretty good at that 546 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: position too, obviously had a Hall of Fame career or 547 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: did he Was it a combination what kind of led 548 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: to that switch for him? 549 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 6: Well, it's in the book. He tells this story. He's 550 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 6: thirteen years old in Muscle Shoul's, Alabama. He's always been 551 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 6: He's a big, strong kid, good at football and had 552 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 6: been the quarterback on the on you can imagine on 553 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 6: the sand lot. You know, he was the best player 554 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 6: on the field. So he gets to practice, he's late, 555 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 6: his mom lets him out of the carry, starts running, 556 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 6: and the quarterbacks are lined up on one row and 557 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 6: the receivers are lined up on another. It's eighth grade, 558 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 6: and he knew there were a couple of quarterbacks wore 559 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 6: older white quarterbacks that were older that one had been 560 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 6: in the punt passing kick competition. One was a real talent, 561 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 6: And he said, you know, I think you know, and 562 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 6: he already at age thirteen. Ozzie was He told me, 563 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 6: I'm reading sport magazine. I'm reading this. I knew what 564 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 6: was going on. You know that if you're going to 565 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 6: your black quarterback would have to change positions. That's just 566 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 6: the way it was nineteen. We're in like nineteen sixty 567 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 6: nine here. So he said, I went to the receiver line. 568 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 6: I said, you know, I'm not going to line up 569 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 6: with the quarterbacks. I went to the receiver line, and 570 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 6: you know, I love Azzie says. It worked out pretty good. 571 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, it did work out pretty well. It did 572 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 2: work out pretty well. 573 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 574 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 5: As a guy I mentioned I'm your accomplish author, John, 575 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 5: I was just curious, as you write each book, is 576 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 5: the process getting easier, more enjoyable or not? Just I 577 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 5: mean the challenge of writing a book. I know, is 578 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 5: you've done it. Yeah, it's quite done, and. 579 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 2: I feel like I need to write a book. I'm 580 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: sitting between two publish authors here. 581 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, this one was pretty hard. I'm going to say 582 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 6: this one was three years. I mean I was still 583 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 6: working here when it when it started, probably the first 584 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 6: year and a half. That's when I interviewed all those guys. 585 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 6: I was still here. It was just go go upstairs 586 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 6: and interview, and it was very convenient. This one's hard 587 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 6: because number one, well two things. Number One, it's a century. 588 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 6: I start with Fritz Pollard in nineteen twenty and go 589 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 6: through Jalen hurts Lamar. You know, so that's over a century, 590 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 6: many eras many stories, just as a lot of research. 591 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 6: It was a heavy lift, as they say, so it was, 592 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 6: it was. It was pretty painstaking the research and plus 593 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 6: just being honest, you know, this day and age, it's 594 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 6: hard to get hold of people and and really get 595 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 6: them to talk to you. And a lot of especially 596 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 6: the younger generation of athletes, they're you know, they're great guys. 597 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 6: They got their own social media channels and and they're 598 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 6: not as it's just harder to get them, I found, 599 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 6: and that was definitely the case here. So I had 600 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 6: to sort of go on the side door with some 601 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 6: guys and find people around them and it worked out fine, 602 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 6: I think, But you know, so that that was a challenge, 603 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 6: you know, getting especially in COVID. I mean I wrote 604 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 6: it through COVID where I wasn't going anywhere, so you know, 605 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 6: those those were challenges for sure. So I would not 606 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 6: say it's getting easier, you know. So yeah, maybe my 607 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 6: next book will be as you know it'll be. Maybe 608 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 6: I'll write a novel four people will read. You can 609 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 6: just do it in my basement, you know, and I 610 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 6: don't have to. 611 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 2: Worry about that. 612 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: It's interesting, John, because so your book covers these hundred 613 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: years and flash forward to today and the Ravens, it's believes, 614 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 1: had the first all black quarterback room in NFL history. 615 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: And it's hard thing to fact check. You're probably the 616 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: expert on the subject in doing this book, but hard 617 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: thing to fact check. But all three players, Lamar Jackson, 618 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: Josh Johnson, Tyler Huntley, t Martin, and Kerry Dixon, the 619 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: assistant quarterback coach, pretty remarkable. And we put out the 620 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: photo recently of them at photo Day, and I just 621 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: think it's kind of an iconic photo of where things 622 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: have come from. 623 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: What do you make of that? 624 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sure that's something that has got 625 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: to be a point of pride for many of the 626 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 1: people that you talked to in this book. 627 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 6: Well, you know, I make a couple of things. There's 628 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 6: one point one when I saw that I saw that 629 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 6: post and I thought, oh, that's really cool. I did. 630 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 6: There's a little part in the book where Dante Culpepper 631 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 6: who played for the vice Kings. It was a draft 632 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 6: pick in nineteen ninety nine. He shows up as a rookie. 633 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 6: He's got a black head coach. He's was Denny Green 634 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 6: and I'm not sure who the offensive coordinator was, and 635 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 6: Randall Cunningham I believe was still there coming off that season. 636 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 6: Billock was gone. They had replaced him with I don't know, 637 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 6: I can't remember who the offensive coordinator was, but he was. 638 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 6: That's one of the that's probably the first time where 639 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 6: a quarterback showed up, a black quarterback showed up and 640 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 6: all the decision making, the power structure over him was black. 641 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 6: Very unusual, that's for sure. But fast forward to today. Yeah, 642 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 6: I mean, tem Martin is an interesting figure because we're 643 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 6: talking about black coaches now. You know, you're getting into 644 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 6: that situation where there need to be more in the NFL, 645 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 6: and you look at a guy like tem Martin who 646 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 6: is as sharp as they come, and you just feel 647 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 6: like he's I do, at least pointed towards something eventually, 648 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 6: And so that's what's that's what's great to see and 649 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 6: to have all the quarterbacks you know, the same black. 650 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 6: It's it's you know, it shows you, you know that 651 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 6: it's nice to see that teams aren't saying color anymore 652 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 6: at that position because they you know, it was. I mean, 653 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 6: I don't think it's been an issue here, but it 654 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 6: has been in other places, and it's nice. It's just 655 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 6: nice to put that out there. 656 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, we talk about trends, you know. I think that 657 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 5: now that we're seeing so many colleges giving these guys 658 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 5: a chance that you know, it's it's kind of changed 659 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 5: the way football is. It's like, instead of looking for 660 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 5: the pure pocket passer, which is still great to have 661 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 5: to me, having guys who bring mobility, aren't the cookie 662 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 5: cutter type quarterback has also opened it up for all 663 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 5: types of quarterbacks. Doing black quarterbacks to do that. Is 664 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 5: that what you found when you talk to personnel people 665 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 5: and quarterbacks themselves when you did this book. 666 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 6: Yes, and it's as much as it's a story about race, 667 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 6: it is also a story about football that's sort of 668 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 6: offensive football and the history of it. And my two 669 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 6: cents on it is this you go back to say 670 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 6: twenty ten, Okay, these teams, everybody's pretty much even after 671 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 6: that's ninety years in NFL history, and there's been some 672 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 6: good black quarterbacks, great ones to that point. Warren Mooney's 673 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 6: in the Hall of Fame, you know, Michael Vick first 674 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 6: overall pick. I mean there's tons. However, if you look 675 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 6: at the take a snapshot of that year, it's you know, 676 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 6: the Tom Brady's in his prime, Peyton Manning who's winning 677 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 6: Super Bowls, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, you know, 678 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 6: just one after the other. It was the drop back quarterback, 679 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 6: white dropback quarterback, the cookie cutter mold was never been 680 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 6: more prominent. I think the statistic is forty five out 681 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 6: of the forty six first winners of the Super Bowl 682 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 6: were white quarterbacks, and most of them were drop back quarterbacks. 683 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 6: So it finally started to change. And I think the 684 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 6: generation that made a change was Cam Newton and Kaepernick 685 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 6: in twenty eleven, and then Russell Wilson and Robert Griffin 686 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 6: in twenty twelve come into the league together. They all 687 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 6: play the coming out of systems where they can run, 688 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 6: you know, the RPOs work, give them options to do stuff. 689 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 6: They're going to move around. It's not going to be 690 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 6: the same, and they were all great. They were I 691 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 6: mean almost immediately in Super Bowls winning super Bowls. And 692 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 6: it was like, I think the NFL finally, and Ozzie 693 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 6: actually addressed this with me. He said, you know, finally 694 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 6: the NFL said, we're not going to make you be 695 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 6: who we are. We're going to let We're going to 696 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 6: change our offenses to let you be who you are. 697 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 6: And so I think that's a real starting point for 698 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 6: twelve years later. Now you see it on almost every team, right, 699 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 6: even the Chiefs with Mahomes. He's still running some of 700 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 6: that RPO stuff with a great arm, right, I mean, 701 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 6: where do you not see it? Where do you not 702 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 6: see it? So it really has changed football, and I 703 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 6: think I think the black quarterback has benefited from that. 704 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 6: It just, you know, that's what some of the prime 705 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 6: skill that that some guys, you know, a guy like 706 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 6: Lamar had, you know, don't want him to just drop back. 707 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 6: You want to moving around. So it's it's that style 708 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 6: of football has changed. 709 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: So, John, I want to get your take on this 710 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: year's Ravens. I will say, you know, in the press box, 711 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: I sit next to Cliff and Ryan Okay, and I 712 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: miss you. You know you used to sit right in 713 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: that same row. It's not the same without having you there. 714 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: So if you ever want to come be an honorary 715 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: press box member, we'll we'll we'll welcome you back. 716 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: We'll make room, we'll kind of. 717 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 6: Nudge my incorrect prediction. 718 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 2: Yes, you are missing this, we are missing those. If 719 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 2: you have to. 720 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: If you come back, Ryan is going to make you 721 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: write the breakdown though. 722 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 6: Not coming. 723 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 3: I killed. 724 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: You know, So how do you How do you watch 725 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: Ravens games? How close you stay on top of the team, 726 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: and what do you think of this group this year? 727 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 2: Uh? 728 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 6: I stay. I still watch it. I'm here, I haven't moved. 729 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 6: I I haven't been to a game. I do watch 730 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 6: watch on television. I haven't missed too many, watch the 731 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 6: family some Uh you know, I mean the base just 732 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 6: like I was just a more laptop. 733 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 3: You know. 734 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 6: You're right, So yeah, I still I do still watch. 735 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 6: You know, Do I watch as closely? 736 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 4: No? 737 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, like when the inactives come out 738 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,320 Speaker 6: at eleven thirty. You know I'm not on it, you know, 739 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 6: not as close. But I enjoy watching the games. I 740 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 6: feel like I know so many of the guys and 741 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 6: and you know, so it's kind of fun just to watch, 742 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 6: you know, and and have fun with that. So I 743 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 6: am still watching, and I think I think this's just 744 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 6: team looks pretty. 745 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 3: Good to me. 746 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 6: I mean, there's uh, definitely talent, I mean enough, it's 747 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 6: a winning team. It's a playoff team. I don't think 748 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 6: that's really too much in doubt. You never know, of course, 749 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 6: these injuries never seems to go away, that whole thing, 750 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 6: but there there there's plenty of talent there to make 751 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 6: the playoffs. Tough division, but I see playoffs for this team. 752 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 6: And who knows the key I mean obviously, and he 753 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 6: hasn't been healthy is Lamar. Lamar's here, It's all all 754 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 6: that stuff is over. This is really keep him healthy. 755 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 6: If he's healthy the whole season, I think it's a 756 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 6: pretty good season. 757 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, feel pretty good about that. 758 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean also too, I'm just curious too. We've 759 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 5: seen a lot of pieces around Lamar, but in my opinion, 760 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 5: this year's group, he hasn't had a group to work 761 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 5: with like like this one. I guess from talking about quarterbacks, 762 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 5: how much do you think that helps a quarterback to 763 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 5: have you know, guys around him who can take some 764 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 5: of that load. 765 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 6: Off of him definitely helps. And what really makes me 766 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 6: think is his MVP year, who's in the receiver room. 767 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 6: You know, you know, I don't want to cast dispersions, 768 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 6: but you know, this is a stronger group this year. 769 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 6: I think this is a really strong group. And you know, Beckham, 770 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 6: I will admit I blinked when I saw that signing. 771 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 6: I was like, wow, really, you know, like like a 772 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 6: lot of people. But then once I sort of did 773 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 6: some dig in just a little bit, and then you 774 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 6: realize some of these guys have reputations because they're they 775 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 6: they're in the headlines and they like to show off 776 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 6: when they score touchdown or whatever it is. But what 777 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 6: it doesn't get written about a lot of guys and 778 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 6: Beckham being one of them is incredibly hard worker, great 779 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 6: practice player, good teammate. Sets the tone. You're not gonna 780 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 6: have any problems there. And so, uh, you know that 781 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 6: that's that's a good guy. You want, you want, you 782 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 6: want him around. You know he's going to influence these 783 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 6: younger guys and and uh, you know, so I think 784 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 6: I think that definitely it's nice to have those weapons. 785 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 6: And I think Zay Flowers to me, looks like a 786 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 6: hit from the getting from the beginning. So that's looks 787 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 6: like Lamar likes to throw to him. 788 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: I agree with that. 789 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 6: So you know that's the ball's gonna be in his hands, 790 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 6: and that looks like, you know stuff, pretty good thing, 791 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 6: right right? 792 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 2: Awesome? 793 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: Well, listeners, viewers, check out Rocketman. You can get it 794 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: at bookstore, you can get it on Amazon. It's another 795 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: great installment of the John Isserberg sports series. I'm looking 796 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 1: forward to reading it. John, So thanks so much for 797 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: your time and bestled luck with the book. 798 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 6: Well, it's good to be back. Thanks for having me. 799 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 6: I really appreciate it. Thank you, all. 800 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 2: Right, so big thanks for John Iberg. 801 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: And if you're watching, you can see us magically change outfits. 802 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 4: You know. 803 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,959 Speaker 1: We did one outfit with Brandon Stevens, one outfit with John, 804 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: and now we're back. So we stepped into the phone 805 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: booth and then we came back in it's a Superman costume. 806 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, just changing outfits. 807 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: So before we wrap up here, Cliff, I just want 808 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: to get your your thoughts on Sunday's game. You know, 809 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 1: it's it's a huge game. I'm actually a little surprised 810 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: it's not getting like more NFL wide buzz, Like I 811 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: look at the schedule and like it's one of the 812 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: best games of the week. I mean, these two teams, 813 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: you know, this is a pretty big rivalry here, and 814 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: I feel like the intensity has only grown like in 815 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: recent years. And it's also crazy that the Ravens will 816 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: play like three of their last four games have been 817 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. That's unheard of. It is that is unheard of, 818 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 1: and so I don't know. I think it's gonna be 819 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: an awesome game and I'm sure tension is going to 820 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: be high. 821 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, they say, you know, familiarity, breeze, contempt, and I 822 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 5: think in this situation it definitely has. I mean the Bengals, 823 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 5: you know, have been the division champs, They've had some 824 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 5: really tough games with the Ravens. I think that, yeah, 825 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 5: Sunday is going to feel like another playoff game. 826 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 3: I really do. 827 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 5: And having Lamar obviously in the picture. Now for the Ravens, 828 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 5: at the miss of those last two games in Cincinnati 829 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 5: last year, you know, changes a complexion. Bengals you know, 830 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 5: don't want to go on to didn't score a touchdown 831 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 5: Week one home opener, They're going to be ready. Ravens 832 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 5: lost the last two games in Cincinnati want to go 833 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 5: to and oh, first row game, they're going to be ready. 834 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 5: So yeah, it should be a great matchup, I think. 835 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 5: And yeah, even though it is early, if the Ravens 836 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 5: could go too and oh and have the Bengals owing 837 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 5: too and already having a win over the Bang, that 838 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 5: immediately to me puts the Ravens as a team that 839 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 5: they're chasing, you know, and you know they have plenty 840 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,439 Speaker 5: of time the Bengals would to catch up fifteen games left, 841 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 5: but I'm always feeling like you want to be the 842 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 5: lead dog as quickly as possible. 843 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I mean I think a lot of you know, 844 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: we talked with Brandon about his his mindset going into 845 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: this game, like there's probably gonna be a lot on him. 846 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: You know, we'll see if you know, Marlin's able to 847 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 1: come back. You know, we'll see. But uh, but you know, 848 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: I would expect Brandon, you know, to be the guy. 849 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: And like I said to him, you could see them 850 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: Bengals testing him, you know as a young you know, 851 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 1: young player, and you know they've got good receivers, good 852 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: quarterback and it would not surprise me. And so I 853 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: think that like there'll be a lot on his shoulders, 854 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: and you know, I think he's up to the challenge. 855 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: I really like the way he's played, and I think, 856 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, the secondary, it's interesting for the secondary because 857 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 1: it's early in the year, but they've already deal with 858 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 1: with injuries to keep players. Marcus Williams, you know, he 859 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,439 Speaker 1: goes down with the peck injury, and who knows how 860 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,479 Speaker 1: exactly how long that's gonna be. You know, Marlin dealing 861 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: with the foot. So you have, like you know, your 862 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: top end players who are dealing with some injuries here, 863 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: and that means there's gonna be a lot of pressure 864 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: on guys like Brandon Stevens, Ronald Darby, Gino Stone. And 865 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: this is a high power passing attack where it's not 866 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: gonna be easy. 867 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean in Stevens case, I mean, to me, 868 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 5: you have to be impressed that he just stepped in 869 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 5: a corner, played every snap. I mean, we were talking 870 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 5: about the NFL. This is the highest level of football. 871 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 5: He's a guy in his career, he's versatile, but he's 872 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 5: never really had a chance to settle in at one spot. 873 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 5: To come in and do that, to me is very 874 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 5: impressive in it. But it was well for what he 875 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 5: may be able to do down the road if he 876 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 5: can settle into one spot. And as far as the secondary, 877 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, the injuries, I mean, the Bengals are 878 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 5: definitely gonna test. I think go upstairs and try and 879 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 5: see what the Ravens have. I mean, that's what they do. 880 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 4: You know. 881 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 5: They want to get Chase off, they want to get 882 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,839 Speaker 5: Burrow off. They didn't score touchdown last week. They're going 883 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 5: whoever they played this week. I think they were going 884 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 5: to take some shots and then they look at you know, yeah, 885 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 5: maybe Marlin will be out, or even if you were 886 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 5: to play, has been out for a while. Marcus William's 887 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 5: not being there. It's no disrespect to the guys who 888 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 5: are taking their spot. It's just said, hey, this is 889 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 5: what they do. I mean, they have a hot, potent offense. 890 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 5: They've got three great receivers, a great quarterback. So yeah, 891 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 5: but I think the Ravens are in excellent shape to 892 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 5: hold up against that attack. They've done well against Burrow recently. 893 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 5: Even though they won those games, Burrow did not go crazy, 894 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 5: made them work for everything they got, laid some wood 895 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 5: on some guys. 896 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 3: Yep. 897 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 5: I think it's going to be that type of game again. 898 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 1: You know, I'm excited to see his roque one. 899 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 5: Oh my god. 900 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know he Bengals fans. He quickly became 901 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: like persenter On Grod. 902 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 5: Of public enemy, public enemy and loves it. 903 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: He embraces it, like he has no problem talking to 904 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: him in the locker room. This week he made the 905 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: point that like, hey man, I treat every play, every 906 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: game the same, So he's not putting any more stock 907 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,759 Speaker 1: in this. I don't know if I totally buy him, 908 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: but I mean he I buy the fact that he 909 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: plays every play hard, no matter who he's playing. And 910 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: he also said, you know, we play through the whistle 911 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: and if you don't like that, too bad, right. So, 912 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: like I think when he gets on the field, he 913 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: when he makes his first tackle, which could very well 914 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: be the first play of the game, you know, based 915 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: on the rate he was going at on Sunday, the 916 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: boos are going to rain down in that stadium, and 917 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: he doesn't mind. He embraces that. And I think that 918 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: like that kind of charges up this defense. I think 919 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: a little bit. Rookwan's the leader and everyone else goes 920 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,720 Speaker 1: with him. Him and PQ this who has in the middle, 921 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,799 Speaker 1: and I think that just kind of charges up that 922 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 1: whole defense. We say, oh okay, they're like we're the enemies here, 923 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: like we're the bad guys here. And I think they 924 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: like that. 925 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 3: I think they like that. 926 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 5: They love it. And Brookwan and PQ playing one hundred 927 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,399 Speaker 5: miles an hour together as a combo. To me, it's 928 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 5: it's really that's kind of like the heart and soul. 929 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 5: Now the Ravens defense and Burrow, I mean, coming off 930 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 5: that camp, who knows is he moving as well as 931 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 5: he normally does. He has a great proc pocket presence, 932 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 5: but is he one hundred percent healthy? I thought the 933 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 5: Browns Week one a really good game plan brought Miles 934 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 5: Garrett a lot up the middle, kept Burrow from stepping up, 935 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 5: and when he had to try and roll out, you know, 936 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 5: he probably wasn't getting there as quickly as possible and 937 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 5: he struggled. 938 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: So he even said that like after the game, and 939 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: this week, you know he's a little sore. 940 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 2: So it seems like he's still working his way back 941 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 2: a little bit. 942 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 5: Right, So you look for p Q, I would think 943 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 5: in Roquan to try and time up some blitzes, get 944 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 5: some pressure up the w middle, Mattaweke and the guys 945 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 5: up front. That's always a key. But when you're facing 946 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 5: a guy who may not be one hundred percent and 947 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 5: may not be moving as well as he normally does, 948 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 5: they get pressure on Burrow. That makes it even more 949 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 5: difficult for the bank. 950 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: I would be curious if they used the dave On 951 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: Clowney in unique ways like the Browns use Miles Garrett. 952 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 2: Clowny can line. 953 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: Up really any yep, anywhere along that offense a little 954 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 1: or so, Like do they put him over the middle 955 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: at all and try to use him in a similar 956 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: way to what the Browns did with Garrett? I think 957 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,839 Speaker 1: that would be that'd be interesting. And then just real 958 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 1: quick on offense, like I I you know, I think 959 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 1: that we've said it. It was a it was kind 960 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: of an appetizer for the offense last week. I don't 961 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,919 Speaker 1: think they were particularly sharp. I think they will be better. 962 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: I think the Russ factor, I think they knock some 963 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: of that off. But what is your thought? I mean, 964 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: are they gonna what is the offensive attack here? You know, 965 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: you're dealing with some injuries along the offensive line with 966 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: Tyler Lindarbaum and Ronnie Stanley, who knows if they're able 967 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 1: to play. You know, you could be in a situation 968 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 1: where that limits you from a pass protection standpoint and 969 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: what you're able to do. How will the Ravens approach 970 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: this game on offense? 971 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll be interesting. I think though that you know, 972 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 5: the line play is always the key, but the Ravens 973 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,200 Speaker 5: now have multiple playmakers, which I like. And you know, 974 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 5: even if they're having some trouble at times keeping guys 975 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 5: away from Lamar, if you get the ball in people's 976 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 5: hands quickly. We saw that with Zay Flowers last week. 977 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 5: I think Odell probably will be more of a focal 978 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 5: point from the offense. Now that's just my guess, but 979 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 5: I just feel like they want the ball on his 980 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,440 Speaker 5: hands more Gusts and Justice Hill could certainly handle the 981 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,360 Speaker 5: running attack, and yeah, then of course you got Lamar 982 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 5: and the things he can do. And then we may 983 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,520 Speaker 5: with me s. Do we see Mark Andrews this week 984 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 5: or not? 985 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 4: So? 986 00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 987 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Ravens have options now offensively, and they can 988 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 5: go from week to week playing one way one week, 989 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 5: switch gears the following week, and I do think they 990 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 5: will benefit from having that first game under their belt. 991 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 5: New offensive coordinator New System guys obviously were not always 992 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 5: comfortable or playing as freely as you want them to play. 993 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 5: I think, well, they'll be do better on a wave 994 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 5: next week, having that game under their belt. And I 995 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 5: kind of like the Ravens on the road, the whole 996 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 5: underdog thing. 997 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 2: It is funny. 998 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,760 Speaker 1: It's so funny how things change. Like you know, twenty nineteen, 999 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: this scene was the front runner. They basically got out 1000 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,880 Speaker 1: and they just they would beat teams by multiple touchdowns 1001 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: and Lamar was on his way to become the MVP. 1002 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: And that's how they played that year. But even Lamar 1003 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,200 Speaker 1: said this week, he's like, I prefer to be the underdog. 1004 00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 3: Yep. 1005 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: And maybe everyone says that, but this team, I just 1006 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: feel like this team's organization, the city like it has 1007 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: always embraced the underdook thing, and I think that like 1008 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: they're comfortable in that spot. They are underdogs this week 1009 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: Bengals are favored, and I think that the Ravens like that, 1010 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: like that serves as extra motivation. I think that that's 1011 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: where they like to be. 1012 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, we saw that last year in the playoff game. 1013 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 5: I mean, the Ravens were playing well enough to win 1014 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 5: that game. And if they go in for that touchdown 1015 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 5: rather than we all know what happened. I guess definitely 1016 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,760 Speaker 5: see scenario where they could have won that game. Sure, 1017 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 5: so this is usually to me, where they play their best, 1018 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 5: you know, on the road, not supposed to win. Chip 1019 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 5: on their shoulder. Yeah, that that's the suit that fits 1020 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:38,959 Speaker 5: the favor. 1021 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like they kind of. I mean we talked 1022 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: to Brandon about it a little bit. You know, I 1023 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: think a lot of guys to some extent downplayed like 1024 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: the last year in the motivation. But I just think 1025 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: that that sticks with you. Like I think the way 1026 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: the last year ended, you played them back to back games. 1027 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 1: There's a lot of you know, chippiness in the games 1028 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: and talk you know on social media and interviews leading 1029 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: up to it and out of the game. I just 1030 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,839 Speaker 1: think that all of that serves as motivation. Like it's 1031 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: it's human. Like, I think that's that's innate. And so 1032 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: I would expect all of that to be a factor. 1033 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,720 Speaker 1: And I like the Ravens in this situation. 1034 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the Ravens. The Bengals have not 1035 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 5: convinced the Ravens that the Bengals are better than them. 1036 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:21,760 Speaker 5: They haven't. 1037 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean. 1038 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 5: Nothing about those games, even though they didn't come out 1039 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,840 Speaker 5: on the top end of of the score, convinced the 1040 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 5: Ravens that, no, they're better than us. They don't believe that. 1041 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 5: So this year, clean slate. This is a chance to 1042 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 5: reverse things. And yeah, that's that's the hard part about 1043 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 5: you repeating. I give the Bengals credit for winning another 1044 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 5: division title last year, especially after starting zero to two. 1045 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 5: That to me was more impressive than even winning it 1046 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 5: the year before. But they're one hundred team they are, 1047 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 5: and the Ravens they're ready. They have the books and 1048 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 5: arrows out. They're ready. 1049 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 1: So Cliff, typically, when make It, I do the podcast, 1050 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 1: we look at head and we discussed the game coming 1051 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: up that week. I'm sure you're familiar. Everybody in the 1052 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,399 Speaker 1: building is pretty much familiar because you can hear it 1053 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,400 Speaker 1: reverberating around the walls of disability. Is he does the 1054 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: big win, the big win. So since you're stepping in 1055 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,839 Speaker 1: for making, you're playing the make role. 1056 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh this week. 1057 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,160 Speaker 1: So I think that you have to close out the 1058 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 1: podcast predicting the big win. 1059 00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,160 Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's see what you got. 1060 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 5: Let's see if anybody will want to hear this again, 1061 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 5: but I'm gonna give it to you at least one 1062 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 5: more time. 1063 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 2: All right, let's hear it. 1064 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 5: So Sunday, I'm staying at big. 1065 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 3: Win. 1066 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 2: I love it. Cliff. 1067 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,800 Speaker 1: You're You're here to stay. You're here to stay. You 1068 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 1: might put make out of the job for that one. 1069 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: Thanks you so much for listening, for watching, and we'll 1070 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: be back with you again after the game.