1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff 9 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's our weekly strange 10 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: news segment, and we've got some pretty interesting ones today. Gentlemen, 11 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: we have not talked about this off air. I think 12 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: we roughly know the stories we want to bring to 13 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: everyone's attention, but we didn't talk about where we would 14 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: like to begin. I you know, Matt, I almost want 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: to start with your story today because well, there's a 16 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: little selfish. It confirms we were right in an earlier episode. Sure, yeah, 17 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: we we can get started here. Is everybody down for 18 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: a little murder in the morning or whenever you're listening 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: to this, We're a good cup of murder in the morning. 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: Go Well to guess what we're diving straight in. This 21 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: isn't our main story that I'm going to be reading 22 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: from right now. This is setting up the story. Okay, 23 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: everybody ready, It's from CBS News. It's a story that 24 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: was posted in January two thousand eleven. The headline is 25 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: California police desperate to identify murder victim in nineteen sixty 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: nine cold case. Now in here, let's just give you 27 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: the the rundown. A woman was found murdered. She was 28 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: in a ditch in Huntington's Beach, California, in nineteen sixty eight, 29 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: and she was considered just a Jane Doe from that 30 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: point up until two thousand and twenty. And she um 31 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven that the reason this article came out, 32 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: somebody came forward and recognized a sketch of her and said, oh, 33 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: I know her. I think her name is Rosie. She 34 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: was a friend of mine. I knew her from back 35 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: in the day. She worked at this place called the 36 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: Circus Room, and she was a waitress there, and but 37 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: I can't remember her last name. It was something I 38 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: don't know. So they were going off of this information 39 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven attempting to to identify this person. 40 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: In nine, when she was found by a few boys. 41 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: She had been sexually assaulted and beaten, and her throat 42 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: had been slashed, and there was a cigarette butt that 43 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: was left near the body, and there was some blood 44 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: on her. And in nineteen all this evidence was collected, right, 45 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: the cigarette but blood that was on this person, this 46 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: Jain Doe, as well as UH several other There was 47 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: a sexual assault kit that was prepared for her. So 48 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: all of this evidence was taken and put away as 49 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: they were attempting to identify who attacked this person and 50 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: who this person was, and really there was no information 51 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: up until the early two thousand's when there was a 52 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: DNA sample that was viable that they were able to 53 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: identify the DNA itself. Right, they've got they've got the 54 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: DNA of somebody, but they have no idea who it 55 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: matches too. So there were attempts to find out, but 56 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: there were no databases that contained this d N A 57 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: And that's one of the one of the main parts 58 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: of this story. When there has been a murder or 59 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: any other crime and there is a DNA sample that 60 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: is available, you run it, you get a profile of 61 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: that DNA. This is essentially the representation of a single 62 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: human being the code that's inside that DNA, the way 63 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: that authorities match that DNA up to somebody as they 64 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: search through massive databases. The problem is the only DNA 65 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: that they can look at our inside databases that are 66 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: associated with crimes, with criminal offenses generally, and there are 67 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: a few other public databases that are available where individuals 68 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: like us and you submit their DNA profile to something 69 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: like this, like a jet match. That's one of the 70 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: one of the places online where you can submit your 71 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: genetic profile. So this shows us that despite the current 72 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: drawbacks of this sort of forensic investigation because of the 73 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: relative newness of DNA testing in this regard, this shows 74 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: us that there is enormous potential to closed cold cases. 75 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: I believe we talked about this in a previous episode 76 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: on The Original night Stalker, right, Matt, Yes, we did. 77 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: We we talked about it with the Original night Stalker 78 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: who then was dubbed the Golden State Killer, who was 79 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: apprehended through this process, and it's pretty fantastic. The the 80 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: whole monster the Zodiac Killer show was based on the 81 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: fact that there was a DNA sample that this process 82 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: may be able to be used on, and then a 83 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: killer identified um and there are so many cases now 84 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: being solved through this practice. I just want to jump 85 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: back into the forensic genealogy bit one more moment here 86 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about those public databases. So the way this 87 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: actually functions, depending on the type of DNA that is recovered, 88 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: you can run essentially a family tree by identifying a 89 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: far off relative of whoever your suspect or your victims 90 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: DNA matches to, which is crazy. It might be a 91 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: great great great grandmother, It might be a like third 92 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: cousin twice removed that you've never met, Yeah exactly there 93 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: that that this person never even interacted with. But you 94 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: might get a match with that person because that's the 95 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: only other person in that database that is close that 96 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: is at all linked to your d N a sample 97 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: that you're testing, and through that system, that's how they 98 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: got the Golden State killer. It was a distant relative 99 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: that then they mapped back through with these forensic genealogists 100 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: who discovered, okay, well, here is the one person within 101 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: this family tree that was in that area at the 102 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: time and matched up with age and a couple other 103 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: details about the suspect that they thought they would be 104 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: looking for. So anyway, let's let's jump back to our 105 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: Jane Doe from nineteen. We're gonna jump back to a 106 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: local news story that came out late last month from 107 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: kt L A five. That's a local news stage in California. 108 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: So the headline here is Orange County's oldest Jane Doe 109 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: cold case solved with aid of genetic genealogy, and it's 110 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: a crazy story. Kind of mentioned it up top there 111 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: that they had these pieces of evidence with DNA on them. 112 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: They got profiles of both Jane Doe and the killer 113 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: from this evidence, and then through genetic genealogy very recently, 114 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: they were able to identify both. They were able to 115 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: identify the victim as twenty six year old at the time, 116 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: Anita Louise pit Two of Augusta, Maine. They were able 117 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: to also match up the evidence with a suspect by 118 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: the name of Johnny Chrisco, which I have to say 119 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: is the most murdery sounding name I think I've ever heard. Yes, 120 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: Johnny Chrisco, the suspected killer passed away in ten I believe, Yeah, 121 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: he died of cancer, and according to this he's right 122 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: in Washington State. Again, it's difficult in this kind of 123 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: case because you can say, yes, that his DNA was 124 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: on her, but that's your only evidence, at least currently, 125 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: that's the only evidence they have to match this guy, 126 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: Johnny Christo to this homicide. And I'm interested to see 127 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: how you guys think about this. Um. You know, the 128 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: idea of justice when the killer has passed away, it's 129 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: more about closure, I think for the family members still living, right, 130 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: I would say it's the closest thing you can get 131 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: to closure knowing what actually happened. Yeah, And I think 132 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: there's an enormous precedent that we need to highlight here. 133 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: This is one of the first cases where both the 134 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: victim and the attacker were identified via this mechanism, this process. 135 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: I think another point of enormous value here is that 136 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: this is going to function as an example, approved of 137 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: concept for a lot of people who have cold cases 138 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: sitting on the shelves, and without doing a full episode 139 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: on it, I think most of our listeners would be 140 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: astonished by how many sexual assault kits sometimes called rape kits, 141 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: have yet to be tested and they're just languishing somewhere. 142 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: It's easier to bring justice to these cases than ever before. 143 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,359 Speaker 1: That's probably one of the most positive effects of widespread 144 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: DNA capturing. There was another case that just recently occurred 145 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: in Minnesota where a cold case had been solved or 146 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: they have found the suspect through DNA testing. And you know, 147 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: I know, we probably don't want to get too far 148 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: into it, but like we said in those earlier episodes, 149 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: this is what we're seeing is the beginning of a wave. 150 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: I think if this kind of testing continues, and it should, 151 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: then we're going to see many, many more cold cases 152 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: be solved. The question is, to your point Knoll, will 153 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: these be solved while the attackers and the victims are 154 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: still alive? Absolutely? And is isn't this also kind of 155 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: one of those things where there's like a double edged 156 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: sword effect kind of to this these kinds of databases. 157 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: We've talked about it in the past. How you know, 158 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: On the one hand, it's obviously a really positive outcome 159 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: from this and things like the you know, the Golden 160 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: State killer and all that being solved, But there there 161 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: are some privacy concerns, you know for regular individuals. I mean, 162 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: we don't have anything to hide as well. Yeah, I know, 163 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: but I mean, is it worth it is? Is the 164 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: is the balance out of whack like this is obviously 165 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: amazing and then a really positive result, but it is 166 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: kind of an all or nothing approach for for these 167 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: types of systems to work. You know, if people are 168 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: opting out, or it's like, you know, just a little 169 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: smattering of folks you know, that are in the system, 170 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: it's not going to be nearly as effective. I would 171 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: agree that for law enforcement and solving crimes like this, 172 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: it would be amazing if every human being on the 173 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: planet was in a database like that. Um but yeah, okay, 174 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, alright, so here here is the reality 175 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: of the situation. You'll notice it. It's been very careful 176 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,359 Speaker 1: to say this is one of the biggest positive effects 177 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: of massive, massive levels of data capturing, DNA capturing and propagation, 178 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: right information sharing of those databases as it stands now. 179 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: As this industry, and it is very much an industry 180 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: stands now, it is easy to argue that it's worth it. However, 181 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: this industry is evolving. This industry is a you know, 182 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: often a it's a largely private industry that is used 183 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: by public institutions like law enforcement. But we're not very 184 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: far away from a world in which a DNA test 185 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: that you did not consent to, just somebody related to 186 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: consented to, has a dangerous and lasting effect on your life. 187 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: Imagine if you are getting your first job, maybe your teenager, 188 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: and you start working at your local boomerang outlet or whatever. 189 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: You're in a town where boomerangs are enormously popular. You 190 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: get a job with this boomerang depot, that's what they 191 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: call it. You're at the boomerang depot, and you get 192 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: for the first time, the opportunity for employer provided health insurance. However, 193 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: the private health insurance company has a pretty good DNA 194 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: profile of you because someone you're related to from both 195 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: your mother's side and then from your father's side, at 196 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: some point submitted their DNA to one of these UH 197 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: capturing facilities, these archiving facilities, these services, and then these 198 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: services somewhere along the line, sold information about that DNA 199 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: profile to a privatized insurance company, and it turns out 200 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: that you have a statistically higher likelihood of insert medical 201 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: condition here that the insurance company thinks will be just 202 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: too expensive to pay for. Therefore, you your existence because 203 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: of your DNA. You are a pre existing condition, and 204 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: then you will not because of something you did not 205 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: consent to you will not be able to get insurance. 206 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,599 Speaker 1: That's a walk down the street. But it's not a 207 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: very far walk. No, no it's not. But I mean, 208 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, the whole pre existing condition argument is in 209 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: and of itself very a separate topic, right, like whether 210 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: or not that's fair to to, you know, hold people 211 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: accountable for pre existing conditions when they're when they're getting coverage. Um, 212 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: So those things would certainly have to reconcile with one another. 213 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right, there's so many there. They're circum says. 214 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: We haven't even thought about yet as to how this 215 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: could be problematic. Um, but it is nice to see 216 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: some uh positive net result from you know, something that 217 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: is kind of a little bit scary and sort of 218 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: this murky future, or we don't really know the boundaries 219 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: between public and private. Just as a counterpoint, you guys, 220 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: if let's go back to that same scenario with a 221 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: boomerang depot. Let's say you don't get that job, but 222 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: you do find out because of the extensive genetic profiles 223 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: of your relatives that oh wait, you have a higher 224 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: likelihood of this type of cancer. And now you go 225 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: in and get a test. Oh and you catch it early. Hey, 226 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: good on you. Good on the system for knowing more 227 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: about us than we do. So I don't know there 228 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: there are positives there for that kind of thing, um, 229 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: but I I certainly I am a bit nervous about 230 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,239 Speaker 1: the widespread capturing of d N A and and large databases. 231 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: The The good thing is Ancestry twenty three and me 232 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: and a lot of these services that are private at 233 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: the moment do not share that information, your information when 234 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: you send it into them, with any authorities, with any 235 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: other group, at least as a policy currently, and their 236 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: terms of service can change at any time. They can. 237 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: They certainly can, and you know that would be on 238 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: them if they chose to to go that route. But 239 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: in the end, it's on you and whether or not 240 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: you want to submit your DNA willingly to somebody. But 241 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: it's not really that's the problem. It's not really on you. 242 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: In several years, it will no longer be your decision. Uh. 243 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: And and of course catch these criminals and bring them 244 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: to justice. I think it is an important thing. I 245 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: think it's it's a mandatory action for our species. We 246 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: have to do this, and DNA testing in this way 247 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: gives us the ability to solve crimes that otherwise would 248 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: have remained unsolved. I feel like the badgers out of 249 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: the back. We have to do that. We just also 250 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: have to keep our eye on the next steps in 251 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: this with this technology, because they're coming. Man, they're coming. 252 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: The money is too good. I agree. And just to 253 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: close it out, let's jump back to Anita's story that 254 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: we started with, kind of going back to what you 255 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: were saying, Noel. This is from the kt l A article. 256 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: Anita was found to be one of seven children. She 257 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: was found to have two living sisters and a brother, 258 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: as well as many extended relatives who had been searching 259 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: for her since she vanished in nineteen Remember there's family 260 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: in Maine. They're far away. She was in California when 261 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: she went missing in nineteen sixty eight. They were never 262 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: able to locate her, and the authorities in California had 263 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: an unnamed Jane Doe. Uh there as as the case 264 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: that they are looking at and somehow for that long, 265 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: for over fifty years, that connection was not made to 266 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: that family, but they were able. That family was able 267 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: to know that's what happened to Anita, And I think 268 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: that's one of the major benefits. That's the it's not closure, 269 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: but that's at least the silver lining to all of this. 270 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: And the investigation has not been completed because, like I said, 271 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: this is one piece of evidence that they have connecting 272 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: this guy, Johnny Chriscoe to Anita, and they still want 273 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: to know what happened. Was there a motive? Did these 274 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: two know each other? Any any information? Right now? If 275 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: you have info about this case, you can call the 276 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: Huntington's Beach tip line. It is seven one four three, 277 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: seven five five zero six six. So if you have 278 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: any info, give that number a call and help that 279 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: family out, because you can't put a price on closure 280 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: as something we need to remember in in a world 281 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: so often consumed by profit. True. And with that, let's 282 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: head to commercial and we'll be right back with some 283 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: more really strange news. Alright, we're back um today. I 284 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: have a strange news article i'd like to put forth. 285 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: If you gentlemen would would agree, I shall take you 286 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: up on this office. Okay, okay, Well then I've got 287 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: one for you that I think is very much in 288 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 1: the old school conspiracy wheelhouse uh new photo reignite speculation 289 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: over lock ness, Monster out reported in the New York Posts, UM, 290 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: the Daily Mirror, a bunch of other sources. This is 291 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: from back from last month, but as first I had 292 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 1: heard of it, and I would hazard a guess that 293 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: that it may have flown under some other folks radar 294 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: as well. But a photograph taken in Scotland has started 295 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: people chattering again about the existence of of old nessie 296 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: that under the sea creature that supposedly lurks beneath the 297 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: placid waters of Loch Ness there in Scotland. A tourist 298 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: and English tourist by the name of Steve Chalice claims 299 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: to have shot an image UM an overhead image of 300 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: the lake where you can see some kind of tree 301 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: tops in the side left and then in the center 302 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: clear as day. It looks like a hump or some 303 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: kind of large sea creature breaking the surface of the water. UM. 304 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: It's got some kind of pretty distinct like reptilian markings 305 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: or some kind of splotchy almost ink spot type markings 306 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: on its back. It's not clear if you're meant to 307 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: be just seeing a portion of a larger creature or 308 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: the rest of it being underwater, or if it's like 309 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: a whale breech or something that that's kind of what 310 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: it looks like to me. Um and yeah this uh, 311 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: this guy, Steve Challis Um reported to have seen this 312 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: long fish swimming by and he snapped a few shots, 313 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: according to to to Steve Um and then he he says, 314 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: it only appeared in one shot, and to be honest, 315 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: that was something of a fluke. I watched for a while, 316 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: as you can see from the last picture, but I 317 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: didn't see it again. Um. He said that he had 318 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: just started going through these vacation photos because of coronavirus lockdown, 319 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: and you know, like many other people, looking for something 320 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: to do to pass the time, and that's when he 321 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: claims to have spotted this, uh, this one pick, which 322 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: is interesting considering like it's it's pretty front and center 323 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: in the in the picture. If I had seen it, 324 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, oh my gosh, going through photos 325 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, Wow, look what I caught 326 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: and didn't even realize that. Um. He very interestingly as 327 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: well says, I think it was a cat fish or 328 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: something like that, or you thought it might have been 329 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: like a seal or something that could have gotten in 330 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: from the ocean, because he claims to not be a 331 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: believer in the old nest myth of of old Um, 332 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: and yeah it is old. It's one of Scotland's oldest 333 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: enduring myths. Um. We've got of of course, one of 334 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: the most classic conspiracy type photos of you know, that 335 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: silhouette of a long necked creature kind of peering above 336 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: the water. Um. And it's something that is certainly driven 337 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: tourism to lock Ness and there's all kinds of merch 338 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: and things surrounding that. Probably a great boon to the 339 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: local economy there, I would imagine. Um, what do you 340 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: guys think? What? What? What is your earliest memory of 341 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: the Lockness monster? Uh, Fellas, I cannot remember the specific 342 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 1: place where I encountered it the first time. All I 343 00:21:55,920 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: can remember is that the mystery of possibly a dinosaur 344 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: or some other creature like that existing made me so 345 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: badly want to find it, and also to believe that 346 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: that kind of thing was possible, that there could be 347 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: something out there that is unknown, that is ready to 348 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: be discovered or has been discovered and is hiding. Oh 349 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: my gosh, that it. That story of Nessie and Bigfoot, actually, 350 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: those two stories were huge for me as a kid, 351 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: just to give I guess, to give me that sense 352 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: of wonder about something might be real. And then of 353 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: course it all shifted to angels and demons and maybe 354 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: that's real and that was just my upbringing, but well, 355 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: what what is reality? Okay? Sorry, that's that's an unfair 356 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: direction to take this. Um. I was interested that you 357 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: categorize this as as old school uh stuff there once 358 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, because stuff then what you know as always 359 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: and will always be about this kind of this kind 360 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: of stuff I think I had. I just meant old 361 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: school conspiracy thinking. One of the staples of like conspiracy 362 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: culture is nessy foot. Yeah, I got you. Yeah. So 363 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: I have talked about this, perhaps on air before or 364 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: with some with some of our fellow listeners on social media. Uh. 365 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: I am a big fan of time Life, uh, time Lives, 366 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: Mysteries of the unknown. It was a got to catch 367 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: them all kind of thing for me growing up. And 368 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm holding you can't see it because this is audio 369 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: right now, but I'm holding a book called Mysterious Creatures. 370 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 1: I can't remember. I was very tiny when I got this, 371 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: but that what Books like this were some of my 372 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: introductions to the concept of large cryptids or you know, 373 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: relic proposed relic populations. And I went pretty hard on 374 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: the paint for a child with the Nessy off because 375 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: I wanted to learn everything I could about you know, 376 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: a pleasasaur, about the depth and any seasonal variation in 377 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: lock Nest. It is very deep, that's true. Um, But yeah, 378 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: I have been thinking about that for years and years 379 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: and years, and at an early age, I know this 380 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: is such a bummer. At an early age, although I 381 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: was still very much one of those I want to 382 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: believe people, I just the compromise I made in my 383 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: mind was that so far every photograph of the Lockness 384 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: or every photograph purporting to be a picture of the 385 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: Lockness Monster was at the very least misidentified or a hoax. 386 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: I wasn't ready to say it didn't exist, but I 387 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: was I was able to say, you know, if we're 388 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: being honest. This is also around the time, you know, 389 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: when I when I was like, all right, Santa Claus 390 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: is this huge conspiracy. He goes all the way to 391 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: the top, all the adults are lined to you. Santa 392 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: is not real. Uh, Locknest Monster. I'm not ready to 393 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: give that one up though, because I've never been to Scotland, 394 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: but I think all the photos are fake. But to 395 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: be fair, Knell, I would ask you to the same thing. 396 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: Was this was your experience similar to that of Matt's 397 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: and my own? Yeah, it was something that always really 398 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: fascinating me. I remember, I think I went to lock 399 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: Nest when I was a very small child. I my 400 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: mom was an opera singer and we lived in Europe 401 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: up until I was six, and so I would travel 402 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: around with her two different you know, gigs that she had, 403 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: and I have a very distinct memory of of getting 404 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: one of those tam O shanter hats, you know, what 405 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: is that what they called with the plaid and you know, 406 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: And it was at Lockness and I had some kind 407 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: of kids picture book about Nessie and and it it 408 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: talked about the conspiracy angle of it, and I remember 409 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: being fascinated by and as you know from our story 410 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: about see monsters, you know, and all of that and 411 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: some of my weird, vivid dreams about floating a sea, 412 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: you know, with hidden mom stairs under the surface. It 413 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: kind of caught my imagination in a bit of a 414 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: freaky way, honestly, Like it's something that's always kind of 415 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: like been a little bit of a um nightmare fuel 416 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: for me, the idea of like the secret underwater creature. 417 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's it's certainly been something that I've 418 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: just always kind of been aware of. Um, and I 419 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: do remember getting that book when I was really young. 420 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: But it's a real shame, though, Ben, because you're right, 421 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: I mean, every picture seems to have been debunked, and 422 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: unfortunately this one's no different. Um. When the guy very 423 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: casually tossed off the idea that this might have been 424 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: a catfish, he wasn't kidding. He seemed to be pointing 425 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: to a little dwinking a nod to the uh, pretty 426 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: cool photoshop job that he or or someone else did. 427 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm a little confused as to what this guy's motivations were. Um, 428 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: this this tourist, Steve Challis. But another article on science 429 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: alert dot com headline is there's a new sto circulating 430 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: the Lockness Monster. But guess what, surprise, surprise, it does 431 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: appear to have been doctored. Um. A first appeared in 432 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: mid June of this year in a Facebook group, and 433 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: it was posted by this guy, Steve, who was the 434 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: who was the founder of the group. And he claims 435 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: that he took it when he visited lock Nest, But 436 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: upon further examination by some intrepid twitterers, they actually were 437 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: able to match it. Of that somebody thought that him 438 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: saying catfish was a little cat fishy. Uh, so they 439 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: actually googled this picture of this incredible which this should 440 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: be the story in and of itself, two hundred and 441 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: eighties six pound catfish posted on Angling Times the Twitter account, 442 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: and it's this dude holding this monstrous catfish. Guy by 443 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: the name of Benjamin Grunder who who caught the fish, 444 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: and apparently catfish pigmentation patterns on their back, those kind 445 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: of inks, bink spot speckled patterns they talked about seeing 446 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: in the picture are like snowflakes or fingerprints. They're they're 447 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,719 Speaker 1: super duper unique to each individual. And somebody on Twitter 448 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: by the name of Bailey at super fly All posted 449 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: a side by side comparison circling the the pattern on 450 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: the back of the monster catfish and the same pattern 451 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: on the back of the supposed NeSSI yes, and and 452 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: the supposed Nesti image has been color corrected. There. You know, 453 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many pictures of that catfish were 454 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: taken the original one, but there's been some some modeling, 455 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: essentially some distortion of the original photograph. If it is 456 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: indeed that photograph, you can definitely see the workings of 457 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: of photoshop at play here. I agree. First off, the 458 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: catfish are amazing. I was getting really into I was 459 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: getting really into ich theology. Uh last night actually kept 460 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: me from doing some homework. Yeah, this is this is 461 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: a true story. I am going to share with you 462 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: guys a picture I would like you I would like 463 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: you to see. I'm just gonna yeah, Okay, So I 464 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: have sent you guys a picture, an image in the chat, 465 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: and I just want to see your reactions when you 466 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: open this up. This is a real picture. It looks 467 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: like somebody had an accident while they had on the 468 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: most extreme aquatic leggings that I've ever seen. WHOA, holy crap. 469 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: Is this like a skin graft? This is this is 470 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: a telapia skin graft on a human being. We can 471 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: put fish skin on people, you guys, we have been 472 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: able to do this for a long time. I would 473 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: categorize this as thanks. I hate it by my but yeah, 474 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: so this you put this on burn victims. It's called 475 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: the xeno grapht and then the it eventually becomes human 476 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: flesh again. But it's weird that you we're talking about 477 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: Locknest monster because the place my brain immediately went, and 478 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: what I spent some time researching last night was whether 479 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: it's possible to do the opposite of this, to graft 480 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: human skin on a fish. I don't have the answers. 481 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: I've just think of aquatic monsters. And really I don't 482 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: mean to derail this. I just needed some kind of 483 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: semi reasonable opportunity to share this with you guys, because 484 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: otherwise I would have just been texting you pictures of 485 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: fish skin people at like eight thirty last night. You know, 486 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: this is the closest real world version of us getting 487 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: to Fulhu and the old Ones that we've ever gotten 488 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: on this show. Matt, Ben, have you guys played Breath 489 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: of the Wild, the newest Zelda game. Have not? I've 490 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: been playing it lately. I know, I know, Ben, you're 491 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: a big fan of sky Rim, and if you like 492 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: sky Rim, boy Hotty, you're gonna love Breadth of the While. 493 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: But this is a thing in Zelda tradition in general, 494 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: or like in the Zelda with the PAMPI honor whatever. 495 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: But there's a grace of aquatic dwelling humanoids in the 496 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: Zelda series called the Zora. Uh and this, this remind 497 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: this makes me think of like kind of like, okay, 498 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: what would the Zora look like, you know, in live 499 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: action or whatever. Also reminds me of the shape of 500 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: water creature quite a bit. Yeah, please in the crowd, 501 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: fellow listeners, if you are a theologists, if you're experts 502 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: somehow in skin graphs, inquiring minds want to know can 503 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: you graph human skin onto a fish? This is already 504 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,719 Speaker 1: messed up by search history to a possibly reparable degree. 505 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: But it's the little though. Also with Lockness Monster, one 506 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: photo that's not faked that I think is I I 507 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: don't know, I I enjoy it is any photo of 508 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: Adrian Shine. He is a loch Ness expert. He's done 509 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: a lot of research on this, and he looks like 510 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: a candidate for the World's Most Interesting Man. He's most 511 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: of the time he's in this really cool tweed three 512 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: piece suit. He's got this epic like Mariner beard. Um, 513 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: I just want to hang out with that guy, you 514 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean? I want to go hunt the 515 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: Locknest Monster with him and yeah, and I'm a super 516 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: obvious no. Next time you go to Locknest, take us 517 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: with you, dude. I haven't been out of the country 518 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: since I was like five, man like I. I you 519 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: you you know, uh travel a lot domestically back you 520 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: know when that was a thing people did. But no, 521 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: I I haven't even had a valid passport since I 522 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: was a little kid. So I gotta get on that. 523 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: Once the world returns back to some semblance of normalcy, 524 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that as a queue to get me 525 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: on a plane and back to lock Ness. Maybe we 526 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: can make it a group trip. What do you say? Yes? 527 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: Say say yes, see to the Nessie and there you 528 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: have it. If you are in Scotland, if you have 529 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: a picture of the Locknest Monster that you feel is legit, 530 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: we send it our way. Yes, and make sure to 531 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: note if you actually got a picture or maybe you 532 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: were just tripping and seeing things. There we go. That's 533 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: the seg way we were looking for. We'll be back 534 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor. Our final story today 535 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: maybe a bit controversial for some people. Many of our 536 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: fellow listeners over the years, over the YouTube days have 537 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: written in about this I'd love to shout out all 538 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: the YouTube commentators who would drop by regardless of what 539 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about in an episode and say, oh my gosh, 540 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: I'm tripping. We see you. I don't know if you were, 541 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: but I hope you had a safe and great time. 542 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: And so does the government of Canada, because they have 543 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: recently announced that they are going to allow terminal patients 544 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: to use psilocybin therapy. Yes, that means what you think, uh, 545 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: the to legally use magic mushrooms to help mitigate the 546 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: pain and depression associated with, you know, with having a 547 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: terminal illness. This is something that's been controversial often in 548 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: the West because there there's increasingly robust, compelling science that 549 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: psychedelic mushrooms do have medicinal effect, you know what I mean. 550 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: It's they can be more than simply a recreational experience 551 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: for folks. However, as part of it here in the 552 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: U S at least as part of the War on drugs, 553 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: they were classed with things like cocaine or heroin, or 554 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: they were treated that way by society. Right. If you 555 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 1: are a fan of one of our pure podcasts, stuff 556 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: to blow your mind, then you can find an excellent 557 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: series that they have done on psilocybin. We've explored it 558 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: in the past. There are interesting out their theories that 559 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: attribute the formation of religion to early human experiences with psilocybin. 560 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: And the government of Canada has finally caught up. The 561 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: Minister of Health, one Patty Hodge do has approved I 562 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: guess you call the medicinal use right. It's still not recreational. 563 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: They're not saying you can go to your local boomerang 564 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: depot and also by magic mushrooms for some boomerang fund. 565 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: They're just saying this can be used as a medicine. 566 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 1: And Lorie Brooks, who was one of the four first 567 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 1: patients to receive this treatment, said in a statement with 568 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: a nonprofit organization she's been working with called Therapeutic Psilocybin, 569 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: said that this was more than just getting a medication. 570 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: This felt like an acknowledgement of the actuality of the 571 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: pain and anxiety that she has been suffering from. We 572 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 1: know that some U. S cities have decriminalized psilocybin or 573 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: the mushrooms. Those cities would be Oakland, Portland's, Denver And 574 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: right now the f d A is still thinking over 575 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: whether or not it's going to approve some sort of 576 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: derivative of magic mushrooms as an antidepressant. So with this 577 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: in mind, I know we've talked about this a little 578 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: bit in the past. What do you guys think do 579 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: you believe that, uh, do you believe that psilocybin should 580 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: be legalized, should be decriminalized, should be used as a medicine. 581 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: I mean where in the spectrum do we fall of legality? 582 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: I say, yes, yes, yes, and more yes, all of that. Yeah, Look, 583 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: it's so available, Like I know plenty of people that 584 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: either grow them themselves, you know, you can get kits 585 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: online and all that, not to you know, promote doing 586 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: anything illegal. But there's a practice called micro dosing where 587 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: people will just take a little bit, not enough to 588 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: quote unquote trips, but like enough to change your headspace, 589 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: just enough to like, you know, um, sort of reframe 590 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: your thinking about negativity a little bit. And and it's 591 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: just a way that a lot of people have found 592 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: much success in sort of altering their mood, but not 593 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: in like I want to get messed up kind of way. Um, 594 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: it's a it's an ancient substance that that has had 595 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, broad application throughout history. And I think the 596 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: fact that it's lumped in with things like heroin and 597 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: cocaine and and ecstasy as as simply a party drug 598 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: is just inherently kind of bogus. There's so much research 599 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: on it, there's so much you know, uh, data showing 600 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: the efficacy of it as something that can really help 601 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: people cope with everything from end of life situations to 602 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: just things like depression. And it's absolutely used in some 603 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: experimental therapies now, I think more than ever, and it's 604 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: been decriminalized. I think in Colorado, I believe as completely 605 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: decriminalized it and there's certainly Colorado exactly, and then I 606 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of of ground swell support for 607 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: bringing that elsewhere. Yes, I would just reiterate that this 608 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: substance appears to have such beneficial effects for those suffering 609 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: from the things we've already talked about here as well 610 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: as PTSD. Anyone who is going through something over and 611 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: over and over again in in their lives, taking the 612 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: substance appears, at least through clinical trials, it appears to 613 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: show that this can help them get past that essentially 614 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: or cope with PTSD. And and I would you know, 615 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: I would just hope that all of us listening can 616 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: realize in these instances when there is a substance that 617 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 1: is controlled like this that does seem to have beneficial 618 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: effects for few people, that we would all be able 619 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 1: to recognize that that would that is a beneficial thing 620 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: for science and um, for practitioners of science and medicine 621 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: to be able to have access to that kind of substance. UM, 622 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: whether or not you believe it should be you know, 623 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: decriminalized or legalized or anything like that. I think that's 624 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: something that hopefully all of us can recognize. Yeah, I 625 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: think it's a very responsible way to look at it. There, Matt. 626 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: One thing that I also feel like we should emphasize, 627 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, what's bad for your mental health getting arrested 628 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: and going to jail. So, you know, as unjust as 629 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: drug laws are, they are still enforced right in many, 630 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: many places. The idea here of being able to give 631 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: someone any sort of bomb uh in in these tremendously 632 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 1: difficult situations, It's not new to the government of Canada 633 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: by any means. As a matter of fact, Aldous Huxley, 634 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: the author Brave New World, chose chose to go out 635 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: under the influence of psychedelics. By go out, I mean 636 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: pass away. He was tripping when when he expired, and 637 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: it was by his choice. I think this is a 638 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: it's a powerful tool, but it also makes me wonder 639 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: how much scientific progress and important research we as a 640 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:35,959 Speaker 1: society have restricted because we decided, um for one method 641 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: or another, for you know, good intentions or ulterior motives. 642 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: We decided not to research various possibilities. Right. And we 643 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 1: know that the FDA has put out drugs that later 644 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: turn out to be very bad. They don't always get 645 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: it right, uh, But here in the US they've held 646 00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: off on things that could have real quantitative measure rble 647 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: medical benefits. I'm interested to follow the story in Canada 648 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 1: because I want to hear about the experience of first 649 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: these four terminally ill patients. I want to see, uh 650 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: if they encounter that great commonality we hear about. This 651 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: isn't so much uh psilocybin thing. But you guys are 652 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: calling our earlier d MT conversations, there is what seems 653 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: to be a stunning correlation of experience. Right, people take 654 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 1: d m T. They speak with these machine elves of 655 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: some sort. They've been described as Uh, they have a 656 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 1: lot of things that are parallel to perhaps a an 657 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: abduction experience in the world of UFOs. But I don't know. 658 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 1: So it sounds like we all think this should be legal. 659 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,439 Speaker 1: They should at least be something people are able to 660 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 1: get for mental health or for recovery from PTSD, or 661 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: for end of life treatment. We also should say this 662 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: is incredibly importan. No one is saying, look, you have 663 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: a problem or a condition, just take a ton of 664 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,720 Speaker 1: magic mushrooms and get back to me after you've listened 665 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: to the discoography of fish. They're saying, take these in 666 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 1: step with a therapy program, so you'll be speaking to 667 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: a therapist, the psychotherapist of some sort. I myself have 668 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 1: never experienced that kind of uh, that kind of treatment. Um, 669 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 1: I don't know how it would proceed. But another thing 670 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: that's interesting here, it's your point, nol as, we're seeing 671 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: the normalization of psilocybin micro dosing is rampant. If you're 672 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: you don't Maybe I'm stereotyping here, but I feel like 673 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: if you're in southern California, you've lived there for a while, 674 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: you've ran into someone who is micro dosing. You didn't 675 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: notice because they weren't acting weird, right, Yeah. I mean 676 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: it really is just kind of like a slight mood 677 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,760 Speaker 1: enhancement that you barely perceptible. Uh, sort of the way 678 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: if you think of like antidepressants that work, well, you 679 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: don't really feel them. You know, it's just sort of like, Okay, 680 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: your head shifts, your headspace shifts a little bit, and 681 00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: maybe it allows you to break the cycle of negative 682 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: self talk or you know, cut out some of those 683 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: negative internal voices that tell you you're not worthwhile in 684 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: some way. I mean that's something that people absolutely struggle 685 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: with and that can be a real distraction and just 686 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: getting things done. Um So, anyway, I I think this 687 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: is a really great story and it's really nice to 688 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: see a lot of that normalization, which I think is 689 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: coming on the heels of cannabis normalization and legalization. Hey, 690 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: I want to bring up here we were talking about 691 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: Oregon there. So in the election coming up in November 692 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: this year, residents of Oregon are going to get to 693 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,399 Speaker 1: vote on an on an initiative to legalize this kind 694 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 1: of therapeutic psilocybin. It feels very familiar to the first 695 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,359 Speaker 1: initiative is that were put out there to have marijuana 696 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: used in medical way, right. Um, it's just a fun 697 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,439 Speaker 1: little fact here. Do you guys remember a company called 698 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:19,879 Speaker 1: Dr Brauners like the castill soap with the very tiny 699 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,600 Speaker 1: printing on the back that tells a very weird story 700 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: about the founding of this company. Yeah. Um, so on 701 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: the little sidebar of one of these articles, the Rolling 702 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: Stone article Ben that you shared for this, there is 703 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,399 Speaker 1: a tiny little story here about how Dr Brauner's has 704 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: donated one million dollars to Oregon's mushroom legalization efforts. Not 705 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 1: a spoiler though, I mean that's not a big plot 706 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 1: twist for old Doc B. I just imagine. I'm trying 707 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: to imagine if they would add something extra to their 708 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: bottles now that describes the magic of the mushrooms dangerous. 709 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 1: That's a dangerous idea. That's something that someone opposed to 710 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,919 Speaker 1: this kind of legalization normalization could just run wild with. 711 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: So policymakers, you did not hear that from You didn't 712 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: hear that. I'm glad we're able to make space for 713 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: this story today because I think it's important for us 714 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:24,840 Speaker 1: to remember that despite all the chaotic, strange and terrifying 715 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: things happening in the world today, which will continue to happen. 716 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 1: By the way, We're not out of the woods yet. 717 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: Despite all those things, there are still positive steps being 718 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: made in all sorts of human endeavors, and this is 719 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: one of those. We are we are increasingly allowing science 720 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 1: to shout down politics, and I think that's an important thing. 721 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: To steal a line from Fox News now more than ever. 722 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: And also part of this, clearly, uh now that I 723 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: think about it is directly related to the problems of 724 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: reopening schools or in Georgia, which is a story for 725 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: another day. But talk about science versus politics. Geez yikes. 726 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,839 Speaker 1: You know what else is a story for another day. 727 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: Jake Paul of YouTube and all the other platform fame 728 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: having his mansion rated by the FBI recently, Oh, a 729 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,239 Speaker 1: story for another day. Or that exclusion in Beiruts, Oh 730 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,959 Speaker 1: my god, we didn't even talk about that, like cal Yeah, 731 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: that's that one's nuts. And the fact that without like 732 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, just very little preamble, the president and 733 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 1: just kind of indicated yeah, it's definitely a bomb. Uh. 734 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: We have no evidence pointing to that, and it apparently 735 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 1: was a an abandoned cash of what was it? Yeah, 736 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,279 Speaker 1: very volatile chemical and and now I mean, like the 737 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: there was an episode of Democracy Now that I watched 738 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: that followed that story for basically the whole episode. It's 739 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,759 Speaker 1: really pointing to Beirut leave and on as like a 740 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,800 Speaker 1: failed state, and like members of parliament are like quitting 741 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: or resigning in in shame, and essentially their entire port 742 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: is now uh like a a fallout zone. I mean, 743 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: it's crazy. This thing made a mushroom cloud, you guys. Yeah, yeah, 744 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: I've been following this really closely. It makes me miss 745 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: the original Strange Shoes daily because then I kind of 746 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: just you know, been there every day with this. But 747 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: as we're seeing this develop, I had a story for 748 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: another day. But our hearts go out to those who 749 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,439 Speaker 1: have lost loved ones in this situation. The full death 750 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: count is not known and probably won't be for a 751 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: little while. Over three thousand people are suddenly just rendered homeless. Uh. 752 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,000 Speaker 1: The ammonium nitrate was next to a fireworks factory. Right now, 753 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: they still know the cause of the explosion. Rumors are 754 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: running wild, but everybody in the area please stay safe. 755 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: Let us know if you have experienced this. If you 756 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: are from Lebanon, or if you were close enough to 757 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,880 Speaker 1: feel and hear the explosion, which was you know, people 758 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: register the explosion in Cyprus, not through scientific equipment. They 759 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,799 Speaker 1: were just walking around. That's how big it was. We 760 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: want to we want to hear from you. Do you 761 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: have a real picture of the Locknest monster? We're not 762 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: going to throw it away like I don't know about 763 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: you guys. I want to see a real one. I 764 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: have for most of my life. Uh. Do you have 765 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: another story of a cold case solved by the latest 766 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: and DNA forensics? Do you have medical experience with psilocybin? 767 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: Is there's something that you feel the average listener needs 768 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,240 Speaker 1: to know about the role of psychedelics in the world 769 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 1: of medicine. Let us know. You can find us all 770 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: over the internet. We have made an entire episode every 771 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,319 Speaker 1: week just to hear from you. You can find us 772 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 1: on Twitter and Facebook where we are Conspiracy Stuff. On 773 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,080 Speaker 1: Instagram we are at Conspiracy Stuff Show. 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That's our little 784 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 1: ritual continuing there. I heard a whisper somewhere. I think 785 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,399 Speaker 1: that was you. That must have been you, So leave 786 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,920 Speaker 1: us a message. It can be up to three minutes. 787 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: Do say whatever you want to say. Tell us about 788 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: any of the things been mentioned earlier, or about an 789 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: episode you want to hear in the future. Anything and 790 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: everything is welcome. Just give us a call. If you 791 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 1: don't want to do that, you can leave us a 792 00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: good old fashioned email. 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