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<v Speaker 1>have some theories that Chad Melman of the Action Network

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how do you define a franchise quarterback? Tonight?

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<v Speaker 1>Trevor Lawrence is a franchise quarterback. Doesn't practice all week,

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<v Speaker 1>bad knee, facing a better defense Saints than Derek Carr

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<v Speaker 1>faces in the Jacks. He's on the road, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the louder stadiums. Trevor Lawrence, unlike Carr, doesn't make the

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<v Speaker 1>big mistake, doesn't have a pick six. A very tidy

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<v Speaker 1>twenty for twenty nine, two hundred and four yards, sixty

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<v Speaker 1>yards rushing and a touchdown on the road against the

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<v Speaker 1>better defense. Did not practice. That's a franchise quarterback. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not having to play great, it's just making enough plays

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<v Speaker 1>to win a road game when you don't practice all week.

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<v Speaker 1>Derek Carr at home has Alvin Kamara arguably the best

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<v Speaker 1>player in the game. A lave Michael Thomas. Derek Carr's

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<v Speaker 1>line a less efficient thirty three of fifty five of

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<v Speaker 1>pick six, one touchdown. The offense was essentially Alvin Kamara

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen carries and twelve catches. Think about that, twenty nine

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<v Speaker 1>times he touched the ball. Oh, running backs, The life

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<v Speaker 1>of a running back. I am not anti Derek Carr,

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<v Speaker 1>but when Derek Carr was in Vegas or Oakland, he

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<v Speaker 1>was almost a sympathetic figure. Right, weird ownership, kooky organization,

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<v Speaker 1>Al Davis into his son, and so when you watched him,

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<v Speaker 1>team had to move to Vegas. When you watched Derek Carr,

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<v Speaker 1>he was almost a sympathetic figure. You know, if he

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<v Speaker 1>could only get a good defense, a star back, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of great weapons, a functional, stable ownership group, a

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<v Speaker 1>weaker conference, a wait, a weaker division. O. Wait, he

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<v Speaker 1>got all of them with the Saints, and it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like he's standing in the way of success. Weaker division,

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<v Speaker 1>Nomah Holmes, Herbert twice a year, weaker conference, better defense,

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<v Speaker 1>more functional ownership, one of the top gms, Mickey Loomis

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<v Speaker 1>in the league. Two star receivers, star back, and at

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<v Speaker 1>least a good run blocking line. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>they're a good pass blocking line the Saints, but a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good run blocking line. And he's at home facing

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback who didn't practice and loses. And years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>Raider fans just would relentlessly call me out when I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, you know, I think Derek Carr is about

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<v Speaker 1>the twelfth best quarterback in the league. He's around that

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<v Speaker 1>Dak Prescott level. And I really did believe that. But

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<v Speaker 1>what's happened is Derek's not in his prime. He's just

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<v Speaker 1>out of it, and the league's gotten better at quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just five or six guys that weren't around five

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. And if you right now look at the

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<v Speaker 1>top ten quarterbacks in the league, and I would say Mahomes,

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<v Speaker 1>Allen Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Herbert Stafford, Hurtz, Trevor, Lawrence Goff,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Rodgers. I'll put in there too. Those are ten.

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<v Speaker 1>I would take Kyler, Murray, Dak and Tua above Derek Carr.

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<v Speaker 1>And I watched them play against c J. Stroud last

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<v Speaker 1>week and I thought c J. Stroud was a better

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<v Speaker 1>distributor of the ball, a more accurate thrower, and played

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<v Speaker 1>with more confidence. So now he's the fifteenth best quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>Derek Carr in the league. And he got the bag,

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<v Speaker 1>which is going to limit for the next couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years what the Saints can do in free agency. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about this on FS one today. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're questioning whether you should give your quarterback big money,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Jones, Ryan Tannehill, you know, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garoppolo,

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself, this would at least half the league, and

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<v Speaker 1>preferably over half the league make a call on them.

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<v Speaker 1>No for Garoppolo, Tannehill, Daniel Jones, and Derek Carr. Derek

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<v Speaker 1>Carr had a market of about three teams, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Herbert would have twenty two, Allen would have twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Mahomes would have everybody except Kansas City make a call,

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<v Speaker 1>right that's the difference. The market tells you how good

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<v Speaker 1>your quarterback is. It's what I've said about Tua. Tua's

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<v Speaker 1>market would be about six seven teams. Let's say I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>double it to twelve. It's still not enough. You got

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<v Speaker 1>ten bad quarterbacks in the league and ten okay quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>in the league, right, and then ten to twelve guys

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of rt like and really about six we

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<v Speaker 1>love maybe seven. So I mean, that's the mistake the

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<v Speaker 1>Saints made. Now. They were a little desperate. Taysom Hill

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel like a franchise guy. Jamis Winston, Drew Brees left,

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<v Speaker 1>so Sean Payton left, so you're looking for some stability

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<v Speaker 1>with Derek Carr and I like him, but right now

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like he's about the fifteenth best quarterback in

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<v Speaker 1>the league, losing it home to a court back that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't practice with a better defense. The best player on

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<v Speaker 1>the field probably Alvin Kamara, lave Michael Thomas and had

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<v Speaker 1>one great drive. It's not being critical, just being honest

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So when you look at the Saints now,

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<v Speaker 1>you know there's going to be a lot of decisions

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<v Speaker 1>in this league. Do you pay a guy or not

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<v Speaker 1>people in Chicago or backing Justin Fields. Would over half

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<v Speaker 1>the league call on Justin Fields? Absolutely not. He's probably

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<v Speaker 1>not the guy, right, doesn't mean he doesn't have talent.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think there would be four or five teams

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<v Speaker 1>that would call on Justin Fields today, maybe six, maybe eight.

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<v Speaker 1>But look at it. If it's not over half the

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<v Speaker 1>league last ten years, you're probably spending too much money

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<v Speaker 1>on that quarterback. And that's how I feel about the

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<v Speaker 1>Saints and Derek Carr. So there's been this story, a

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<v Speaker 1>rumor out there about the Michigan State job now Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>State Athletics, between the mel Tucker mess and another coach

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<v Speaker 1>in their organization that did some criminal things. The brand's

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<v Speaker 1>gross right now, and so there's been talk about, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, would Urban Meyer go to Michigan State? And

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<v Speaker 1>the most attractive thing about Michigan State football is that

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<v Speaker 1>the word Michigan, isn't it right? That's how big the

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<v Speaker 1>Wolverines brand is. So as the PAC twelve's four best

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<v Speaker 1>football programs four of five, Utah is better than u CLA,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would say USC, Washington, Oregon. Historically, those are

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<v Speaker 1>the best last twenty years programs in that conference. Are

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<v Speaker 1>joining the Big Ten Conference. So Michigan State is not

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio State. It's not Michigan, it's not Penn State, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not Oregon. Go look at their last twenty years. Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>who is a top ten program every time they get

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<v Speaker 1>the right coach, and it's not usc with six or

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<v Speaker 1>seven national titles. You can argue it's UCLA. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it is, but it's an argument. Nick Saban couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>win at Michigan State, Chris Peterson, Don James Rick Neuheisel,

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<v Speaker 1>and the current Huskies coach Caitlin n Boor winning big

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<v Speaker 1>at Washington, so it's not Washington. So at best, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be the seventh best program in the Big Ten.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would take the Wisconsin job over Michigan State

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<v Speaker 1>just because right now, I wouldn't mind if I was

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<v Speaker 1>a coach attaching my brand to Wisconsin's cleaner brand. That

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<v Speaker 1>makes it the eighth best job at best in the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Ten. I don't have this sourced, but why in

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<v Speaker 1>the world would Urban Meyer, who has paid over forty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars to not coach the Jaguars, leave Sarasota, Florida

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<v Speaker 1>for that? I wouldn't. I think that would be if

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<v Speaker 1>you're his agent and recommended that you get a new agent.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he may take the job. Money talks. Somebody offers

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<v Speaker 1>him a hundred million dollars. But when I hear rumors

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<v Speaker 1>about that, I think to myself, the best part about

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan State is the word Michigan's in it. General rule,

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<v Speaker 1>don't take the Auburn job. Take the Alabama job, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Don't take the UCLA football job, take the usc job.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't take the Oklahoma State job. Take the Oklahoma job.

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<v Speaker 1>Take big brother, not little brother.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the CEO of the Action Network, Chad Millman. My

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<v Speaker 1>sent me something over the week that was really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Underdogs are not doing well this year, and Warren Sharp

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<v Speaker 1>not only theorizes but indicates that the holding calls defensively

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<v Speaker 1>have gone down sharply. And so when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers of the holding calls defensively, it's now understood

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<v Speaker 1>that you're allowed to grab receivers down the field. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just understood. It was not three years ago that was

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<v Speaker 1>we would all as fans go, that's a penalty. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you can do it while the ball's in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's not, you know, lurching at the player and

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<v Speaker 1>disrupting him. And so what does that mean. My theory

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<v Speaker 1>is that that will punitively punish the mediocre to below

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<v Speaker 1>average quarterbacks. Daniel Jones can't even get a touchdown this month.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Tannehills, the Daniel Jones, the backups, the gap

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<v Speaker 1>between starters and stars and backups Tannehill and Mahomes. Now

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<v Speaker 1>five years ago he could be competitive. The gap now

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<v Speaker 1>between Daniel Jones and Mahomes. It's like junior varsity. Varsity

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<v Speaker 1>underdogs are not covering the best quarterback. If Baker is

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<v Speaker 1>better than Derek Carr, and I think he is, leads

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<v Speaker 1>already leads in seven divisions. The exception has brought pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not as good as Stafford, but he's better than

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona's backup and arguably better than Geno Smith. So my

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<v Speaker 1>point being is, I've always been a fan of underdogs,

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<v Speaker 1>but increasingly this year, my winning bets are on superior

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<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks covering and Warren Sharp detailing. Now, this is really

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<v Speaker 1>hurting scorings down, but there are more blowouts in two

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<v Speaker 1>years than we've ever had, and the scoring is declining

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<v Speaker 1>even for Kansas City, Cincinnati, Baltimore. And so I look

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<v Speaker 1>at my bets this week and I think I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have made these bets a year ago. But I'll throw

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<v Speaker 1>one at you Ravens minus three at home against the Lions.

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<v Speaker 1>So I watched Baltimore. I thought their first half against

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee was the single most impressive half of the season

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<v Speaker 1>by a quarterback in any game. I thought Lamar was spectacular.

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit has been on a little bit of a streak.

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<v Speaker 1>They've won on the road. This is a whole different ballgame.

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore is one of the hardest places to play. I

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<v Speaker 1>still think the Ravens, I told you last week it

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<v Speaker 1>was my favorite bet are undervalued. So again plus three

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit hot would have been my pick. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>go Baltimore minus three sharper square.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's definitely sharp. Speaking of I think I think

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<v Speaker 3>Warren's uh sort of inclination about the holding penalties is interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>But you could also argue that teams that are underdogs

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<v Speaker 3>aren't covering because not because there's holding calls, but because

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<v Speaker 3>quarterbacks haven't been making plays. Just look this past weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>How many downfield throws that could have made a difference

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<v Speaker 3>did Baker miss? How many downfield throws that could have

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<v Speaker 3>made a huge difference to Justin Herbert miss. I think

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<v Speaker 3>there's a combination of a lot of things that are

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<v Speaker 3>impacting some of these games. Some of them are sort

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<v Speaker 3>of factors that are are not repeatable. Some of them

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<v Speaker 3>are a regression, some of them are things that are

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<v Speaker 3>going to be patterns. Certainly, offense is down considerably and.

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<v Speaker 1>Sacks are up, by the way, so on line players,

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<v Speaker 1>so media with pressure and defensive holding, like, the sacks

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<v Speaker 1>are way up. So if you can escape it, you're okay.

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<v Speaker 2>This year.

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<v Speaker 3>I think right now, the average yards per attempt, yards

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<v Speaker 3>per completion, it's something like ten point six. It's amongst

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<v Speaker 3>the lowest and in the modern.

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<v Speaker 2>Era of the NFL.

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<v Speaker 3>So certainly defenses are on the up and offenses are

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<v Speaker 3>leveling out, which probably means when the Competition Committee meets

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<v Speaker 3>in the spring, they will figure out a way to

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<v Speaker 3>make it easier for.

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<v Speaker 2>Offenses to score the football.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>But to your point about the Ravens, yeah, it's the

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<v Speaker 3>sharp side. The line opened to two and a half.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody believes the Lions are way over valued. You're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a team that was eleven to one to win

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<v Speaker 3>the NFC before the season began. They're now down to

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<v Speaker 3>six to one, just behind the Dallas Cowboys and obviously

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<v Speaker 3>the Niners and the Eagles. And you have to take

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<v Speaker 3>a look for a second at who the Lions have beaten, right,

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<v Speaker 3>the Panthers, the Bucks. They have not beaten very good teams,

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<v Speaker 3>the Packers, and meanwhile the Ravens. A they scored twenty

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<v Speaker 3>eight points against the Cleveland Browns, which is an historically

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<v Speaker 3>great defense. And your point about Lamar is spot on.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they've been red zone inefficient in certain games. That

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<v Speaker 3>game against the Steelers they should have won. We talked

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<v Speaker 3>about this last week. A lot of drop passes that

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<v Speaker 3>would have made the difference and put the game away.

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<v Speaker 3>He's actually playing really well. And Lamar, when he is

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<v Speaker 3>a short favorite, is actually very very good against the spread.

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<v Speaker 3>Bigger favorite, not so much short favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it. Wise, guys like it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're sharp all right, Browns minus two and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a staggeringly good defense. And I think San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco settling for field goals should have made him but

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<v Speaker 1>missed him. And this is a team that is loaded

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<v Speaker 1>with weapons, a brilliant head coach. Now, yes it's on

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<v Speaker 1>the road, but backup quarterbacks or backups for a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>If I said this last week, you know Gardner Minshew,

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<v Speaker 1>the analytics said take Colts against right, the Jags the

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<v Speaker 1>better quarterback at home. So I don't love the quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>situation for Cleveland. I do not trust a backup quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>against this defense. I think Cleveland's for real. I may

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<v Speaker 1>be disgusted by Deshaun Watson, he still may play. But

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<v Speaker 1>if this is three, I pass at two and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a playoff level, elite defense. I'd take it

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<v Speaker 1>sharper square.

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<v Speaker 3>A little trappy, Colin, here's the challenge. I agree with

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<v Speaker 3>you about Gardner Minshew. When I was taking notes on

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<v Speaker 3>the games last weekend, one of the notes that I

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<v Speaker 3>took was have the shoes fallen off? Is Cinderella no

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<v Speaker 3>longer Cinderella? And Gardner Minshew because in the games that

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<v Speaker 3>he had been playing for Anthony Richardson, he had been winning,

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<v Speaker 3>he had been covering, he had been playing, unlike Gardner Minshew,

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<v Speaker 3>who had gone winless for so long last week a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of bad turnovers, turnovers that took them out of

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<v Speaker 3>that game from the very beginning. Meanwhile, you get the

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<v Speaker 3>Browns at home backup quarterback. They just beat the team

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<v Speaker 3>that everybody thought was the best team in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 3>that had just beaten up on the Cowboys in an

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<v Speaker 3>embarrassing fashion that Catapult had brought Purdy to be seven

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<v Speaker 3>to one to win the MVP in the NFL. That's

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<v Speaker 3>overvalue City man versus a team at home that is

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<v Speaker 3>entirely undervalued because of how badly they played and because

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<v Speaker 3>of Gardner Minshew. Honestly, for me, it's a pass like

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<v Speaker 3>I want nothing to do with this game. So if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to play it, buy or beware.

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<v Speaker 1>Eagles minus two and a half. Another favorite, hosting Miami.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Miami, I've got a pretty good read. They're

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<v Speaker 1>a heavy weight with a glass chin. If you punch

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<v Speaker 1>them back, can get a rush with four. They fold

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<v Speaker 1>pretty quickly. Lane Johnson should play. That's a more comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback against the less comfortable quarterback. Miami will score. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at their defensive front for Miami and

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<v Speaker 1>the offensive front of Lane Johnson plays, this could be

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<v Speaker 1>ball control. I'minan I'm gonna take for the record, Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>night game at home. Watch the Phillies games lately, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just different. I'm gonna take Eagles minus two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half. Sharper square totally sharp throughth is. This line

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<v Speaker 1>opened at one and a half and moved up to two.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's a two and a half. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>pros Joe's game, right. The wise guys are one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent on the Eagles. The Joe's the amateurs, the squares

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<v Speaker 1>they are on the Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>And you mentioned a couple.

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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned two things that are really important here. One,

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<v Speaker 3>Lane Johnson, if he plays, this is a significantly different team.

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<v Speaker 2>When he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're ten and twenty two without Lane Johnson,

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<v Speaker 3>and when he plays, they're a super Bowl caliber team. Two,

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<v Speaker 3>Jalen hurts against pressure not so good. Jalen hurts when

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<v Speaker 3>he's not against pressure with teams that can't pressure him

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<v Speaker 3>more than forty percent of the time. I think he's

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<v Speaker 3>twenty and five in his career. So you're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>a Miami Dolphins team that is not great at pressuring

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<v Speaker 3>the quarterback, and you're talking about an Eagles team that

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<v Speaker 3>is coming off a loss that they were headed for.

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<v Speaker 3>You and I have talked about this, like, the Eagles

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<v Speaker 3>have been winning because they have a really good head coach,

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<v Speaker 3>they have a really good quarterback, they have really good

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<v Speaker 3>weapons on the edges, but they haven't been gelling offensively

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<v Speaker 3>at all. And also last week, Jalen Carter didn't play right.

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<v Speaker 3>He was resting, so this week he should be back

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<v Speaker 3>on defense. And the Eagles had that moment like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we've been stealing wins. We were embarrassed by the Jets.

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<v Speaker 3>We understand better now what we need to do. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to come back because that's who we are. The

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<v Speaker 3>wise guys are on the Eagles.

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<v Speaker 1>One more favorite I think I would take. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure I love it, but I'm going to wait for

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<v Speaker 1>the injury report. Minnesota is just not that good. I

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<v Speaker 1>hear about how unlucky they are. Maybe that's not the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty nine ers off a loss are a really good

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<v Speaker 1>football team. Minnesota is not. I don't think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>great locker room. I don't think I don't think they

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<v Speaker 1>create pressure situations for offenses. I think San Francisco will

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<v Speaker 1>control the ball at some point. If you do something

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<v Speaker 1>five or six weeks in a row, you're not unlucky.

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<v Speaker 1>It's who you are. And I don't think Minnesota is

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<v Speaker 1>very good. I think quietly in the building they're moving

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<v Speaker 1>off Cousins. They moved off to Alvin Cook. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's I just I don't love this team. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to take the Niners minus six and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Sharper square.

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<v Speaker 3>You are who your record says you are. Didn't some

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<v Speaker 3>brilliant coach say that one will ourselves. The Vikings are

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<v Speaker 3>not a very good football team. They weren't very good

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<v Speaker 3>last week against a terrible team and the Bears. The

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<v Speaker 3>only reason they won that game is because a second

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<v Speaker 3>string quarterback who's a rookie who had never played, came

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<v Speaker 3>in off the bench, fumbled scoop and score for the Vikings.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the difference in the game. Otherwise the Bears

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<v Speaker 3>with a backup quarterback win that game. Right, And so

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<v Speaker 3>this has been the center on the Vikings all year.

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<v Speaker 3>People were fading the Vikings. They did not expect them

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<v Speaker 3>to win at the rate they did last year. There

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<v Speaker 3>was gonna be a regression because of how many one

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<v Speaker 3>score games they won. This line has moved up from

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<v Speaker 3>six and a half it did seven. The wise guys

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<v Speaker 3>are hesitant to come in on big road favorites, but

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<v Speaker 3>in this case they are aligned with you.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, here's my one dog I don't love the

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<v Speaker 1>slate this week for dogs Chargers plus five and a

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<v Speaker 1>half at Kansas City listen, they're in close games, they're

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<v Speaker 1>a good team. I don't love them situationally. If it's close,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take Andy Reid. But I think their personnel matches

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<v Speaker 1>up very well with Kansas City. It has with Anthony Linn,

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<v Speaker 1>it has with Brandon Staley. This feels like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a gimme. I don't ever love the Chiefs as a favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not a high fire power team. Now, they did

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<v Speaker 1>get their receiver back from the Jets, but it'll take

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<v Speaker 1>probably a couple of weeks to get him right situated.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to take the Chargers plus five and a

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<v Speaker 1>half sharper.

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<v Speaker 3>Square, totally sharp, and Look, this is one of the

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<v Speaker 3>those games that's really interesting, right because you're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>it from multiple levels. Are you talking about what you're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing on the field. Check, you're going to take the Chargers.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you talking about what you see historically between these

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<v Speaker 3>two teams. Check, you're going to take the Chargers. Are

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<v Speaker 3>you talking about what you would see between two teams

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<v Speaker 3>in the division?

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<v Speaker 2>Check you're going to take the Chargers.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you talking about what you would see from Patrick

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<v Speaker 3>Mahomes as a favorite of more than three points? Check

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to take the Chargers. So let's start at

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning. What you're seeing on the field. Justin Herbert

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<v Speaker 3>has lost games by six or more points three times

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<v Speaker 3>in the past twenty three games. He keeps the games close.

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<v Speaker 3>Their disadvantage is they have a terrible coach who does

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<v Speaker 3>not put them in a winning position and makes the

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<v Speaker 3>most inconsistent, awful decisions at the worst possible time for

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<v Speaker 3>this team to win. He just does right. So you've

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<v Speaker 3>got that moving against them. But it's also be the

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<v Speaker 3>talent is so good. Between what they have in the

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<v Speaker 3>edge is what they have defensively, what they have with

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<v Speaker 3>Justin Herbert, they can stay in games two. The games

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<v Speaker 3>between these two teams are always close, right. Justin Herbert

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<v Speaker 3>has never not covered a six point spread. There was

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<v Speaker 3>one push because they went to overtime and they lost

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<v Speaker 3>by six points in overtime. So it's a great matchup

0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 3>for these two teams. The Chiefs offense has not been gelling.

0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Patrick Mahomes has now found the right rhythm with his

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<v Speaker 3>receiver Jet And then you're talking about teams in the

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<v Speaker 3>division in this scenario. Over the past twenty years, underdogs

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<v Speaker 3>have covered sixty there sixty games above five hundred covering

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<v Speaker 3>a number like this in the division. Meanwhile, the home

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<v Speaker 3>team covers at a forty seven percent rate in this

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<v Speaker 3>position when they are favorites. When they are favorites of

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<v Speaker 3>three or more, it moves down to forty four percent.

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<v Speaker 3>And finally, Mahomes as a favorite of three and a

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<v Speaker 3>half or more, is far below five hundred because oftentimes

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<v Speaker 3>his favorite, when he's a favorite, he's a favorite of

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<v Speaker 3>so many points, it's an impossible to cover. So in

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<v Speaker 3>every way, whether it's a trend, whether it's on the field,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's a system.

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<v Speaker 2>The wise guys like the Chargers.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now I ask you for a game to convince me,

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and then a game I missed Green Bay. Denver's fascinating.

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Jones comes back. I feel like there are limitations

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<v Speaker 1>to Jordan love. But it's a good locker room. It's

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<v Speaker 1>full of hope. I have a lot of continuity with Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the identity is. I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>the locker room. I don't think they do anything well.

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 1>I do think the Packers do some things well. I

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<v Speaker 1>would tend to lean all of our odds provided by DraftKings.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what is it now minus one? Green Bay?

0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Is green Bay plus one minus one?

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 2>I would lean down to minus one?

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I would lean green Bay. What's sharper square?

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:51.640
<v Speaker 2>The wise guys are on the Broncos.

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:55.440
<v Speaker 3>This game opened to two, it's moved down to one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's ugly. They don't love the Broncos. Look their defense

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 3>played a little bit better against the Chiefs. The bigger

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 3>challenges should Jordan Love as a rookie who's played what

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:13.959
<v Speaker 3>five games as a starter consecutively, who looked good at

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 3>the first couple of games, but has really been missing

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.080
<v Speaker 3>a lot of open targets. And as much as Matt

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Lafleur is scheming to get him open targets, if he

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.480
<v Speaker 3>can't hit the targets, then you can't cover the game.

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:27.680
<v Speaker 3>So now he's going on the road as a favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>There couldn't be less interests. There couldn't be a team

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<v Speaker 3>more undervalued than the Broncos. Because while Sean Payton has

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 3>been making Russell Wilson look brilliant in the first couple

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.439
<v Speaker 3>of drives of every game, he kind of craters after that.

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 3>So a lot of fading of Russell Wilson. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest fear of the wise guys have in betting

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<v Speaker 3>the Broncos, which is the side their betting is from

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 3>now through the end of the year.

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Are they just going to tank?

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Are they getting tank and try to get Caleb Williams

0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 3>and compete with the Bears or the Panthers for that

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<v Speaker 3>number one overall?

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<v Speaker 1>Pa?

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Because which the Bears get the Panthers, by the way,

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 3>because he's got to look at this team and realize,

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 3>we don't have any talent. Our receivers can't get separation,

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 3>our quarterback can barely get plays called. He doesn't know

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 3>what he's doing to get the ball deep like it's

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 3>it's a pretty nasty situation there. But they're taking the Bromos.

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.919
<v Speaker 1>And finally, an ugly game, a game I missed, A

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 1>game that you really have a strong opinion about, are

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 1>feeling about, but I just didn't discuss.

0:27:28.960 --> 0:27:32.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Colin, remember last week, I'm like, do

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 3>me a favor, you want to win take the Jets

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:36.920
<v Speaker 3>plus seven against the team?

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, that wasn't ugly. I that was the

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 1>one blazing five. I should have gone three and two.

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:44.639
<v Speaker 1>I went two and three. I liked that bet. I

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't take it. It was my last bet the Jets

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 1>the last two weeks against the Broncos and Eagles was

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>my last bet out. So I like the Jets back

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 1>to back week, so that was a good pick. It

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 1>made a lot of sense.

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 3>I also wanted you take the Browns, which was a

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.920
<v Speaker 3>better pick and made a lot of sense and won.

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:03.959
<v Speaker 3>So here's what I'm going to ask you to do.

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm not gonna I'm not the kind of guy Colin

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 3>who rubs people's nose in their mistakes. That's not what

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 3>I do. Okay, here's what I want you to consider.

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Can I interest you in the New York Giants plus

0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 3>two plus two and a half hosting the Washington Commanders.

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:27.679
<v Speaker 3>So consider what I just said about the Chargers and

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.919
<v Speaker 3>the Chiefs and the underdogs historically being the advantage in

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 3>that situation. And then consider Tyrod Taylor, who, by the way,

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 3>has one of the lowest interception percentages based on the

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 3>number of games minimum attempts anybody in NFL history. And

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 3>then account for the fact that the offensive line played

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 3>a little bit better and the defense played a little

0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 3>bit better against the Bills.

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 3>So, now, all of a sudden, you've got a Washington

0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 3>team that really they should have lost to Atlanta, like

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 3>they were outplayed in every respect in that game. And

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.720
<v Speaker 3>to me, there's a two pronged thing here. One, I

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 3>kind of like Atlanta as an underdog against Tampa for

0:29:07.600 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 3>all the same intradivisional reasons that I've talked about. And

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 3>also I think they were incredibly unlucky in that game,

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:18.320
<v Speaker 3>with some regression coming because Desmond Ritter made so many mistakes,

0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 3>but also that highlighted Washington and then made them overvalued. Look,

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 3>they've won some games, but they haven't won well, they

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 3>haven't been good. They lost to the Bears by twenty points,

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 3>so I don't know. I think the Giants are going to.

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Be the side that the wise guys like. This week.

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I thought most of the lines like I think Seattle

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 1>hosting the Cardinals. I thought, initially if it was six

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>and a half, I really like Seattle. I think people

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 1>have figured out Arizona. So it's seven. So if Blazing

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>five was on Monday, I would have taken Seattle. Now

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 1>the numbers not good. My question is if it's seven,

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 1>so you take Seattle seven and a half, you don't seven,

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 1>do you? No?

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 3>No, no, I agree with you, and I think what

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 3>happened with Arizona is like it's another sort of Cinderella

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 3>story where the shine has come off a.

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Little bit and people, we know what.

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 2>They figured that out right, And.

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.800
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, the biggest challenge for them they lost James Connor.

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Like he was bull rushing over everybody, right, and he

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 3>was really powering their offense. And without him, they really

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 3>don't have any weapons that scare anybody. So to me,

0:30:25.960 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 3>seven is a pass. If you could have gotten itto

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 3>six and a half, you know, like you could still

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 3>get San Francisco, you can get it at six and

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 3>a half. I think those are the two sort of

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 3>bigger favorites. The other game that's really interesting and this

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 3>one is like, remember for years we've been doing segments

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 3>like this together and every year I'm telling you you

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:49.640
<v Speaker 3>got to take the Jags when they were terrible.

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 2>It's they're plus.

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 3>Thirteen and a half on the road. You got to

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 3>take the Jags. That's what the wise guys are going

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 3>to do. The New England Patriots had become the jack.

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't I told you I can't. When I can't

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 1>watch a team, I can't bet him.

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 3>So you can watch the Green Bay Denver.

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Game fascinated by Sean Payton and Russell Wilson fascinated And

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 1>is Jordan Love gonna make it or not? If Jordan

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Love is a lousy Sunday we have to be honest

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 1>here sitting for three years completing fifty five percent of

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>his throws with Matt Lafleur. If he can't move the ball,

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>we got a white flag thing here, like you can't

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 1>keep defending him. So that game's got a lot like

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 1>we know Russell's not gonna last. But if Jordan Love struggles,

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 1>you cannot sit there by the way, C J. Stroud,

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 1>no offensive lineman, can't run rookie play caler rookie coach

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 1>game one good. He can't be in a place four

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 1>years and complete fifty five percent of your throws. I

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>don't want to hear about Kristin Watson's not available. Give

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 1>me a break. So, I mean, I think that game

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>is actually whatever the word is the French word for

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>so ugly. It's attractive, that's greed bay better.

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 3>You know it's interesting. So I come from a startup

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 3>culture with Action Network, right, you're building a really valuable, strong,

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 3>incredible business with the volume. Yeah, if you're in a

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 3>venture backed business. One of the best phrases I ever

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 3>heard some of the folks who helped to who bankrolled

0:32:23.640 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Action when we started, is are you being intellectually honest

0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:30.959
<v Speaker 3>about what you're looking at? Meaning? Can you look at

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 3>the data? Can you make a decision not based on

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 3>what you want it to be, not based on what

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 3>you think it could be if X factors hadn't impacted

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 3>the numbers. It's like, can you look at the numbers?

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 3>Can you say, Okay, this is what's happening, and then

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 3>can you make decisions about the business going forward based

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 3>on those numbers, regardless of your input into deciding how

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 3>you got to that point or if it's going against

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 3>what you believed it should be. Same goes if it's

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:00.960
<v Speaker 3>going well, Like can you be intellectually honest about examining

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 3>what you see in front of you? Can the packers

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 3>be intellectually honest about Jordan Love if he continues to

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 3>be a fifty five percent completion rate pastor who who

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 3>misses open looks?

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think you know my favorite saying.

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>By the way, you mentioned your favorite saying, it was

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>so funny somebody the other day, I have a plaque

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.479
<v Speaker 1>in my office and they saw the plaque and they

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>got all excited, like orders. You get that amateurs chase

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the sun and get burned. Power stays in the shadows.

0:33:31.560 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 1>That the smartest people are strategic. The amateurs want to

0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:39.959
<v Speaker 1>get noticed and get headlines. The smart people do all

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:45.720
<v Speaker 1>their business behind the scenes. And I don't know why

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I brought that up apropos of nothing. I do think

0:33:50.400 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Green Bay they're decent people. And the problem sometimes you know,

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>there's a reason there's a lot of money in New

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>York and in Wall Street and in tech world. People

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>are harsh and they're brutal. And I don't think the

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Steelers could move off Kenny Pickett for three years because

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.240
<v Speaker 1>he's a Pittsburgh kid, because it's the decency of the Rooneys.

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think Green Bay is going to stick with

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love because that's what good people do. They give

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 1>young people a chance. And I think Pittsburgh and green

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Bay this solid foundationally respectful. They're always looking for value.

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>They're the guy at a nightclub wearing Dockers. They're not cool,

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:40.279
<v Speaker 1>but they're probably the richest guy in the room. And

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the Steelers can be honest about Kenny Pickett,

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think the Packers for a year or two.

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>And by the way, if i'm both, I'm drafted a

0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>quarterback this year, not first or second third round quarterback.

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I just want somebody in the room to compete with them.

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 1>There's plenty of talent. But I do think sometimes what's

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>hurt Green Bay in Pittsburgh is this unwillingness to just

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:10.120
<v Speaker 1>be harsh and harsh in our businesses. Sometimes it works

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 1>like I've got to make a horribly hard decision, You're fired.

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>It sucks, but it sometimes it's what's needed in professional football.

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Like Bill Belichick, Bill will Bill, your statue, your tone deaf.

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 1>We got to get off Bill Belichick. That seems incredibly hard.

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 1>But Philadelphia fired Andy Reid, the Cowboys fired Tom Landry.

0:35:34.000 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 1>You know what, Both the Eagles and the Cowboys did

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 1>just fine. And we both love Andy Reid. So I

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 1>think the Jordan Love question is do they have the

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 1>stomach for it. I don't know if they do.

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:51.239
<v Speaker 3>It's a hard it's a hard question to answer, and

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 3>after five games of data, nobody is going to be

0:35:56.400 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 3>ready to do that. After you know, twelve games of

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.879
<v Speaker 3>data with Kenny Pickett. Nobody is going to be ready

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:05.799
<v Speaker 3>to do it, but I think you can do it.

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 3>After a season. That's when you start to get a

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 3>full data set. Right when we talk about betting, all

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 3>of the data I give you is going to be

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 3>based on the data set of at least one hundred games.

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 3>You need to have like a full picture to understand

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 3>is it a trend? Is it something that someone can overcome?

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Is it something that people were overperforming? Like what were

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:33.320
<v Speaker 3>the factors?

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:35.719
<v Speaker 3>And then all of a sudden, you have the full

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 3>data set and you've got a much cleaner look at

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:42.320
<v Speaker 3>what the real pattern is, and you know if someone's

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 3>gonna change it or not. And so then you got

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.480
<v Speaker 3>to ask yourself, with someone like Jordan Love, what was

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:49.280
<v Speaker 3>the missing factor?

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, we've talked about this before.

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Jalen Hurts in year one was good, but there were

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 3>questions about how good of a full quarterback he could be,

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 3>how good of a pastor he could be. Year two,

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 3>you get Aj Brown, you get DeVante Smith comes along.

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 3>If you're a quarterback, you need to have weapons you

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 3>believe in. You need to have weapons who can make

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 3>you look better. You need to have weapons that you

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 3>feel comfortable throwing a fifty to fifty ball. Same thing

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 3>with Josh Allen as Stefan Dicks. Josh Allen his first

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 3>couple of years was not nearly as good as he

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 3>was when he got Stefan Dicks right, and then all

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 3>of a sudden his game changed. I think there was

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:20.839
<v Speaker 3>hope that Justin Field would be that with DJ Moore,

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:22.720
<v Speaker 3>I think the patterers are going to have these questions

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 3>about Jordan Love if he doesn't get a full season

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 3>of Christian Watson being a number one caliber receiver, They're

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 3>gonna have to make a call. Do we have to

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 3>get a receiver? Is Jordan Love someone that we believe

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 3>can grow into being a great quarterback? By the way,

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:42.120
<v Speaker 3>you like the Bears this week, Well, of course I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's a wise guy spy, you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>was funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I was talking with my co host Simon Hunter on

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<v Speaker 3>The Favorites this morning, and I had told him on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like the wise guys are going to be

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<v Speaker 3>on the Bears. And then on Thursday we always do

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<v Speaker 3>this segment called Sharp Calls, and we're like, the wise

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<v Speaker 3>guys are giving us feedback on what we talked about

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<v Speaker 3>on Tuesday, and they all liked the Bears, And it's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the same principles we've been talking about. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>the Bears are undervalued, They're a terrible team. Meanwhile, you

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<v Speaker 3>got the Raiders coming in. Should the Raiders be three

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<v Speaker 3>point favorites against anybody?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>They weren't even three point favorites at home against the Packer,

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<v Speaker 3>against the Patriots, and all of a sudden they're going

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<v Speaker 3>on the road. They're a badly coached team with a

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<v Speaker 3>backup quarterback who's been in the league for fifteen years, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is not a scenario where they should be a

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<v Speaker 3>field goal or more favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, wise guys are going to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>Bears as olways.

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<v Speaker 1>Chad Melman, it's good seeing you.

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<v Speaker 2>Always a pleasure brother.

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<v Speaker 1>The volume