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Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 3: I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for day at the steak?

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Speaker 1: Is that woo woom and down and tie? Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Solid Verbal, boys and girls. My name is

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Speaker 1: Ty Hildebrand, joining me as always my good friend and

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Speaker 1: New York City, Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm all right, Ty, life is all right. I just

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Speaker 3: I went to a museum today, Okay, I saw a

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Speaker 3: I like a good check in ty, And we haven't

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Speaker 1: Wake in the morning and you step outside, Dan, take

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about new coaches. We're gonna talk about new

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Speaker 1: beginnings in the college football world. We've got a long list,

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Speaker 1: this college football offseason. So we're going to try and

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Speaker 1: to talk through some of our most pressing questions. Don't

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Speaker 1: by finding us out on Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram,

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Speaker 3: I think that's what they're called Twitter and Instagram. And

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Speaker 3: you know what I just learned, Ti, I learned that

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure how active it was. I know it

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Speaker 4: But you know, the idea that Jimbo Fisher would leave

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, So let's start here. We mentioned Jimbo Fisher.

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Speaker 2: So it's one of those deals.

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Speaker 1: So there's an easy transition here because obviously the school

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Speaker 1: he did previously, or do you think this is a new,

436
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Speaker 1: more adaptable Chip Kelly who's essentially going to look new

437
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: in an entirely new situation now at UCLA.

438
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Speaker 4: I am really curious about that time because I don't

439
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Speaker 4: know what exactly is going to happen here. Because when

440
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Speaker 4: Chip Kelly was winning PAC twelve titles at Oregon.

441
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Speaker 2: Everything was new. What he was doing was revolutionary, and

442
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 2: everybody else was trying to catch up to him.

443
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 4: Now everybody else has caught up to that because everybody

444
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 4: else copied it, so.

445
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: Everybody's gotten a look at it.

446
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 4: Everybody has kind of figured out, well, this is how

447
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 4: you stop that offense or this this is how you

448
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 4: manage it. So how much has he evolved? You know,

449
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: you look at what he did in the NFL, and

450
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Speaker 4: it's interesting because I think I.

451
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Speaker 2: Think the Eagles went the Super Bowl.

452
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Speaker 4: When you look back now, you're like, you know what,

453
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 4: he wasn't so bad in Philadelphia. It just you know,

454
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 4: they wanted to win more than they were winning. But

455
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: he seemed to be on track a little bit there,

456
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 4: but San Francisco is a completely different animal. But you

457
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Speaker 4: know what did he pick up there in terms of

458
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 4: dealing with defenses that kind of could weak to weak,

459
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Speaker 4: change to stop you. And you know, basically every defense

460
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Speaker 4: he's going to see now has spent the last five

461
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 4: years trying to stop the chip Kelly offense and all

462
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 4: the people who copied it. So how how adaptable will

463
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Speaker 4: he because he can't come back and just run what

464
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Speaker 4: he ran and expect that to work. But if he's

465
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Speaker 4: adapted with the kind of talent because remember UCLA under

466
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 4: Jim Mora was the along with USC kind of the

467
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Speaker 4: best off the bus team in the Pac twelve. When

468
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Speaker 4: they got off the bus, you're like, oh, you got

469
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 4: some dudes. So can he take advantage of the athletes

470
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Speaker 4: that he's inheriting? And I think that's the key question

471
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: he You know, we talked about the kind of lineman

472
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Speaker 4: you can get, the kind of offensive and defensive lineman.

473
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Speaker 4: Well at UCLA, because you're in such a prospect ridge

474
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 4: environment in Los Angeles, you should be a little bit

475
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Speaker 4: better at recruiting offensive lineman there. You should have a

476
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 4: little more physically talented offensive lineman on the whole than you.

477
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Speaker 2: Had at Oregon. Well, I think that would be very

478
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: helpful in your office. Now, the other question is do

479
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Speaker 2: they have the quarterback they need to run it.

480
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Speaker 4: Is it going to be Devin Monster, who played a

481
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 4: little bit in relief of Josh Rozen, or is it

482
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Speaker 4: going to be a younger guy.

483
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: Is gonna be one of the other guys?

484
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Speaker 4: We don't know yet that That's the other question is

485
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Speaker 4: does he have a guy who can run that offense

486
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Speaker 4: very well?

487
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Speaker 2: I don't.

488
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Speaker 4: I don't even know that it has to be perfect

489
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 4: because you think about it, Jeremiah Masoli looked great in

490
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 4: that offense, Darren Thomas lookedret in that offense, and then

491
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 4: they got Marcus Mariota and it really took off.

492
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Speaker 2: So it can work.

493
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Speaker 4: He seems to be pretty pretty capable of making it

494
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 4: work with just about anybody, you know. I put Dennis

495
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 4: Dixon and Marcus Mariota in another class from Jeremiah Massolian

496
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 4: Darren Thomas. But the offense was still very effective with

497
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Speaker 4: Massolian Thomas running it.

498
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Speaker 1: All right, Andy, you mentioned the word revolutionary, and when

499
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Speaker 1: I think revolutionary, I think Herm Edwards, So you know Herm.

500
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Speaker 1: Herm said some really weird freaking things since he got

501
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: that job at ASU. And look, a lot of us

502
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Speaker 1: have magnified it. We've portrayed it in a negative way,

503
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: certainly in a humorous way on this show. But you know, look,

504
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: the recruiting class kind of came together, alright. The PAC

505
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: twelve as a whole, specifically in the South, is a

506
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: bit in a state of flux. Could he beyond something

507
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: here in his attempts to like change the process and

508
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: the model, but.

509
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 4: They're not changing the process or the model. Yeah, where

510
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 4: do you come down on this whole thing? Nick Saban

511
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: has had an NFL style front office at Alabamas's the

512
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 4: second he walked in there eleven years ago.

513
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: This is the model though with average players.

514
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

515
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 4: You know, they think they're being revolutionary, but the thing

516
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 4: about it is they're just copying what every good program

517
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 4: has been doing for the past ten years, where you

518
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: have that kind of evaluation process. I think with her

519
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 4: Edwards were being a little bit hard on him. He

520
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: was kidding when he was talking about, Oh, it turns

521
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: out you have to recruit the parents too. I think

522
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 4: I think he was making a joke there. I think

523
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 4: Herr Edwards not a dumb guy. He knows you have

524
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 4: to recruit the parents. And actually, if you've ever talked

525
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: to Herm Edwards, he has the personality to be a

526
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 4: great recruiter. And so I don't think it's an accident

527
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 4: that they did okay in that play signing period. So, uh,

528
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 4: the question is can can he coach? Can can the

529
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 4: coordinators they have now coach? Because remember this was supposed

530
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 4: to be built around Herm Edwards working with Billy Napier

531
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Speaker 4: and Phil Bennett. And Billy Napier and Phil Bennett are gone,

532
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: So can the new coordinators do what they're supposed to do?

533
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: And Herm Edwards, who is known as a pretty schematically

534
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 4: conservative coach when he was in the NFL, how's he

535
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 4: going to handle it when he doesn't have as much

536
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 4: talent as some of the teams they're playing. You know,

537
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 4: you don't. You can't be schematically conservative in that case.

538
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 4: You got to you gotta try some stuff. Is he

539
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: gonna be willing to try some stuff?

540
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: Well, if you listen to his opening press conference, he's

541
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: willing to try it all, try and be different. Yeah.

542
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 4: The trying to be different that they were doing then

543
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: has already been h has already been for not so yeah, Okay, he's.

544
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: Gonna be different in a different way.

545
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: Now let's stay in the great state of Arizona. We'll

546
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: talk about Kevin someone a much different situation because rich Rod,

547
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: as you know, unceremoniously fired on the third of January.

548
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: While he was there, he brought a lot of excitement

549
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: to the program with his system. They were certainly dangerous

550
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: to play, they put up points. They didn't always or

551
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: really at all play much defense, but an excitable team nonetheless,

552
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: Now you bring in Kevin someone kind of has the

553
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: same track record over at A and m a lot

554
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: of excitement on offense. I don't think the defense ever

555
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: materialized the way that they wanted. Certainly they had exciting

556
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: prospects on the defensive side of the ball, but just

557
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 1: was never a consistent product, at least defensively. When you

558
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: look at this fit now someone going to Arizona to

559
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: take over for rich Rod, do you look at this

560
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: and say that this is an upgrade at all? Does

561
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: it feel to you like it's more of a one

562
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: for one swap? How do you assess this higher?

563
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: It feels very similar.

564
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: It feels like you're getting a lot of the same

565
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 4: and look, Kevin someon and Ritrodriguez shared a lot of

566
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: stuff over the years, so I don't think the offense

567
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 4: is gonna look all that different at all now, Kevin,

568
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 4: someone inherits Khalil Tate, knowing what Khalil Tate can do.

569
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Speaker 4: And remember it took them about a month of the

570
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 4: season before they figured it out with the old staff.

571
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 4: So going into a season and having a spring practice

572
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: in a preseason camp where you know what Khalil Tate

573
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 4: can do, I think you can have some fun drawing

574
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 4: up plays for that. So I do think they may

575
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: be a little bit better this year than they were

576
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 4: last year. But on the whole, I do think they're probably,

577
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: you know, probably about the same as they were. But

578
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 4: Ritrodriguez won a Pack twelve South. There's no reason with

579
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 4: Khalil take Kevin someone can't win to Pack twelve South.

580
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: You know, you think about who inherited the best quarterback

581
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 4: situation among the new coaches. Willie Taggert inherited a decent one,

582
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: but some and maybe Joe moorehead at Mississipi State probably

583
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: inherited the best ones. You know, Khalil Tate's really good

584
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 4: you know what he can do, and I think that's

585
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 4: the thing that makes this a very attractive job at

586
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 4: the moment. Now, when he's gone and they don't have

587
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 4: that special quarterback, do they become an also ran again?

588
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 4: That's going to be Kevin Summle's challenge can keep that

589
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: from happening. But right now, with a special quarterback that

590
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 4: they know they're going to have starting, it's a pretty

591
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: optimistic time.

592
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: So from there we'll go to an offensive mind who

593
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: doesn't inherit really any quarterback that we know anything about,

594
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: and that's Scott Frost at Nebraska. We know he is

595
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: going to put together what looks like with his staff,

596
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: a really really good offense, if not a great offense eventually.

597
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 3: I think people think that, I don't know, this is like,

598
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: you know, the second coming of the Messiah. Though there's

599
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: added pressure for him that he doesn't that other coaches

600
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: elsewhere don't necessarily have. He did win a national championship.

601
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: We should point that out at UCF. Yes, so he

602
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: looks like the real deal. There have been many attempts

603
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: though now to restore Nebraska in to greatness aside from

604
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: this offense. Eventually, what is it about Scott Frost. That

605
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: should have people, not necessarily Nebraska fans, but people looking

606
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: from the outside confident that he is different than the

607
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: others who have tried.

608
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Speaker 4: I think he does know what they need on the

609
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: lines of scrimmage to make it work. And you've heard

610
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: you've heard him say that a lot since he's been there.

611
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 4: You know, he's basically said, skill position is not going

612
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: to be the problem. We got to get those linees.

613
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: Take what I said about Oregon, you can just transplant it.

614
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 4: And I think coaching down at UCF and seeing the

615
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 4: kind of talent that's available in the state of Florida

616
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 4: and in the South, because you know, they weren't directly

617
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: recruiting against Florida State and Florida and Miami, but they're

618
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: evaluating players that are playing with those guys, and so

619
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: that they're seeing that, they're seeing what those people look

620
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: like in high school that make you ultimately successful at

621
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 4: that level, and so they know what they're looking for.

622
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: It's a matter of getting it now. I've heard good

623
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 4: things about Adrian Martinez, the quarterback who signed with them

624
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 4: in the early signing period, So we'll see if he

625
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: competes for.

626
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: The job right away.

627
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 4: You got Gebbia there, who had red shirted last year,

628
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 4: he might work, you know. I think they would have

629
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 4: loved to bring Mackenzie Milton with them from UCF, but

630
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 4: it doesn't work that way, so we'll see again. This

631
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 4: is when I had advised patients on I don't know

632
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 4: that they're gonna, you know, light the world on fire

633
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 4: their first year, but I do think they understand the

634
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 4: situation they're in. And I also think they understand what

635
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 4: the realistic expectations should be at Nebraska, and I think

636
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: most of the fan base does too. I don't think

637
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 4: most of the Nebraska fan base is stuck in nineteen

638
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 4: ninety five and assumes that Nebraska should just crush everyone

639
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: in his path. I think most Nebraska fans realize what

640
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: Nebraska should be is what Wisconsin is, not necessarily stylistically,

641
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: but that level of success where you were in the

642
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: hunt for the Big Ten West title every single year,

643
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 4: you win it every once in a while, and then

644
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: every once in a while in the Big Ten championship

645
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: game you got a shot. That's that is the realistic

646
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 4: expectation for Nebraska in twenty eighteen, and I think Scott

647
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: Frost can pull that off.

648
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 2: I just I don't know that he's going to pull

649
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: it off in year one.

650
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 3: That all seems reasonable. So we'll go from the smoothest

651
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: and most seamless and feel good transition to a new

652
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: coach with Scott Frost going to Nebraska too, the most

653
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Speaker 3: turbulent one. So Jeremy Prewitt eventually ends up in Knoxville,

654
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Speaker 3: and everybody seems relatively pleased early on with you know,

655
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 3: a bunch of hires that came together pretty nicely. He

656
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: has a very specific background of exclusively coaching defense in

657
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 3: the SEC, which seems like.

658
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 4: That, well, there was a year in the ACC, but

659
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 4: Florida State's basically an SEC.

660
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: They're pretty much the exclusively coaching in the South for powers,

661
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: which seems like a pretty good background in terms of

662
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 3: familiarity with personnel high school personnel coaches recruiting. Yes, the

663
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: one year at Florida State, a couple of years at

664
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Speaker 3: Florida State notwithstanding, whatever, So where do you think the

665
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 3: vision and ability of Jeremy Prewitt zags where Lane Kiffin,

666
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: Derek Dooley, and Butch Jones zigged.

667
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 4: The strength of Jeremy Prewett is his ability to identify

668
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 4: talent and get it to sign with him. That's his strength.

669
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Speaker 4: Now here's the thing. He was doing that at Alabama,

670
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 4: Florida State, and Georgia. It's probably a little harder to

671
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Speaker 4: do that at Tennessee because he knows what he needs,

672
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: and so he's going to go head to head against

673
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Speaker 4: Nick Saban, He's going to go head to head against

674
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Speaker 4: Kirby Smart, He's going to go head to head against

675
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: Willie Taggert, Dan Mullen, head to head against ed Orgeron.

676
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: You know, Tennessee is not the type of state that

677
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 4: produces enough talent for you to fill your roster. You

678
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 4: got to go outside. You got to go through three

679
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: hours to Atlanta. You got to go over to Charlotte.

680
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 4: You got to go into the Carolinas. You've got to

681
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: go down to Florida. You've got to go out to California,

682
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 4: got to you got to beat the bushes a little bit.

683
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 4: And so knowing what you need and being able to

684
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 4: convince what you need to sign with you are are

685
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 4: two different things. And that's the challenge for Jeremy Prutt

686
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: because if he can get some of these guys, they

687
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: can be very very competitive. I especially don't worry about

688
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: them on defense. Once he's been there a year or two.

689
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about them at all on defense. I offensively,

690
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 4: you got to find a quarterback. You know, they're they've

691
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: got Helpton as the offensive coordinator. So the thought is

692
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 4: it's going to be like USC, which is, uh, you know,

693
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: pro style is sort of a weird term now because

694
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: the NFL seems to be adapting as well.

695
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: But you know, the USC has adapted. They don't just

696
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: go under center and run that.

697
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Speaker 4: They're mostly out of the shotgun and they'll eat up

698
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 4: the tempo every once in a while. It's it's kind

699
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 4: of you know, pro style evolved, and that requires a

700
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 4: really good quarterback. So we'll see if one of the

701
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: guys on the roster fits that bill or if they

702
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 4: need to recruit somebody. But that that's kind of the

703
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 4: biggest question right now. You know, as you say, there's

704
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: news that the Trey smith Is has got a medical

705
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: issue that he's got to deal with. That's not good

706
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 4: when you know that's basically your your best player coming back.

707
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 4: But that'll be the deal for Jeremy Pruett and I

708
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: don't know how it's going to go. I do know

709
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 4: he's going to upgrade the talent level because he knows

710
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 4: exactly what he's looking for and he's good at getting

711
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: those guys to sign with him. So this is what

712
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 4: I keep telling Tennessee fans. The worst, your worst case

713
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: scenario in this hire is that he's ron Zuck. The

714
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 4: worst case scenario that he that he loads up your

715
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 4: roster and you get tired of him and hire somebody else.

716
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 4: Ronzuick went to a Rose Bowl well, and ron Zuck

717
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 4: set the table for Urban Meyer to win two national

718
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: titles at Florida as well, So.

719
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: That's not necessarily a bad thing.

720
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Speaker 4: And if he's if he's a little bit better game

721
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: day and look the way he calls defenses, he's a

722
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: really good defensive play caller. So if he's if he's

723
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: a little bit better game day coach. And I think

724
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 4: I think Jerry Pruit's a lot smarter than he lets on.

725
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 4: I think he's perfectly happy with with people thinking he's like,

726
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: you know, redneck defensive coordinator. He's happy to let you

727
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: think that. I think he's I think he's a pretty

728
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 4: intelligent guy. So I'm really intrigued by what he can

729
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: do at Tennessee.

730
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Speaker 2: It's a hard job.

731
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,760
Speaker 4: It's especially hard given the circumstances of the coaching search.

732
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Speaker 2: But if he can get the guys he's.

733
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Speaker 4: Targeting, they will get better and they will be a

734
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: you know, competitive in the SEC East. That the biggest

735
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: problem though, is it's going to be hard because Florida

736
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: got a guy that understands what kind of players you

737
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 4: need to win in the SEC. Nick Saban is still there,

738
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: Kirby Smart is building a monster. Will Muschamp knows exactly

739
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: what kind of talent it takes to win in the SEC.

740
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 4: So that's a lot stacked against Jeremy Pruett, even though

741
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: I think he probably has the skill set to be Okay.

742
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: Let's stick with the guy in Florida who also moves

743
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: SEC west to east and Dan mullin. Is it just

744
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: mad libs at quarterback for Florida? As soon as you

745
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: fill in that blank, you'll get something good and weird

746
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: and interesting for the Gators. His track record sort of

747
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: suggests that he will do a better job developing a

748
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 3: quarterback or building a program around a quarterback than Jim

749
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: McElwain did with the asterisk of Will Greer. So is

750
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: it as simple as that. Are we overthinking it or

751
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: is there more to what he needs to do to

752
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: resuscitate where Florida is.

753
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 4: I don't think it's that simple. You know, you look

754
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 4: who they had when he was at Florida and when

755
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: he was Atsissippi State. The best quarterbacks were the ones

756
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: that he went out and found or you know, cruited

757
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: because they fit his style. It took Chris Leek, who's

758
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 4: a pretty good college quarterback. It took maybe a season

759
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: and a half for him to really be comfortable in

760
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: that offense, and they eventually got it going. But they

761
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 4: were uber talented around him too. You know, t Bow

762
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 4: was a perfect fit. So that worked. And then you

763
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: get to Mississippi State and Dak Prescott's a guy he

764
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 4: went and found. Nick Fitzgerald is a guy he went

765
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: and found who he thought fit perfectly. Fitzgerald's you know,

766
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 4: his recruiting story is crazy. He had not even started

767
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 4: for his high school yet when he got offered by

768
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Speaker 4: Mississippi State. Dan Mullen just knew this is the kind

769
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 4: of guy that could work in this offense. So you

770
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: know the interesting thing about this though, Felipe Franks, if

771
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 4: you look at him physically, He's exactly what you'd want

772
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 4: in a Dan Mullen offense. The question is can he

773
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 4: handle the offense? Can he learn it quickly? Can he

774
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 4: internalize it? Can he play it without you know, having

775
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: to think too hard? That's not easy to do in

776
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 4: your first year. This is not an offense that people

777
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 4: tend to pick up right off the bat. It's you know,

778
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 4: you look at Dak Prescott, look at Nick Fitzgerald. They

779
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 4: had to be in the program a while before they

780
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 4: were comfortable with it. So I think that's the issue there.

781
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 4: And you've got Franks and then you've also got Emory

782
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 4: Jones the freshman. Now, Emory Jones is an interesting case

783
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: because the first coach to offer him a scholarship was

784
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: Dan Mullen, a Mississippi State So clearly he thinks that

785
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 4: Emory Jones is the kind of guy who works in

786
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 4: his offense. The question is how quickly can he pick

787
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 4: it up. Does Dan Mullen want to start him as

788
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 4: a true freshman and put all that pressure on him

789
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: to be the savior of the program. I don't know

790
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: the answers to those questions. We're going to have to

791
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: wait and see what happens during spring practice before we

792
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: have any idea. But you know, it's one of those

793
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: things where I think Dan Mullen realizes he has some

794
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 4: patience from the fan base because they do understand the

795
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 4: problems on offense that he inherit merited. So I don't

796
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: think they expect that to get fixed right away. So

797
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: I think they're they're probably okay with this this season

798
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 4: being kind of a trial and error and see what

799
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 4: works and then you know, by twenty nineteen kind of

800
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: have an idea of what you are on offense. But

801
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 4: that's that's the thing. His offense is not. You know,

802
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: it's not super simple. Quarterbacks have to worry about protections.

803
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 4: They have to to deal with a lot, do a

804
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 4: lot of things that the quarterbacks in the NFL have

805
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 4: to do, and it takes some time to learn. So

806
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 4: that's why I think this is one where the fans

807
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: would be wise to be a little bit, a little

808
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 4: bit patient. Though I do think they will be slightly

809
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: better this year just because they got a better strength

810
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: and conditioning program. I don't I don't mean to go

811
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: all off season story cliche on you, but they were

812
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: not They were not up to snuff in that department.

813
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 4: The last couple of years, and I think just being

814
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 4: a little bit stronger and probably a little have a

815
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 4: little better stamina as games go on, I think that

816
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 4: may be good for another winner too.

817
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: Mullen's replacement, as you know, at Mississippi State, is another

818
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: guy who's very bright when it comes to x's and o's,

819
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: and that's Joe Morehead. He comes over from Penn State,

820
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: did a great job there, did a great job at

821
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: Fordham before he ever got to Penn State. I think

822
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: we're all kind of excited Andy to see what he

823
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: brings to the equation now in Starkville. But the real

824
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: question now, as ever with Mississippi State is how much

825
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: more production? M Yeah, can a thank you can a

826
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: really bright scheme guy and x as and o's guy,

827
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: how much more production can he get when the best

828
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: recruits usually end up elsewhere in the SEC West? Does

829
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 1: that upper limit still exist at Mississippi State? If it does,

830
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: how does Joe Morehead combat it?

831
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: It does still exist?

832
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: And remember they hired a really bright, offensive scheme guy

833
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: through a place, a really bright offensive scheme guy who

834
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: had been more successful there than just about anybody had been.

835
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: So the thing I think is really interesting about Joe

836
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 4: Moorehead is he was a very good, very creative coordinator

837
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: at Penn State, really good at building off of what

838
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 4: he had, not saying this is my system and it

839
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 4: works because I'm a genius. No, it was okay, I

840
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 4: have Trace McSorley, I have Saquon Barkley, I have Mike

841
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 4: KASICKI here's how we're going to build this offense to

842
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 4: take advantage of the things they do best. And I

843
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 4: would imagine that that Joe Moorehead got to Starkville, and

844
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 4: I know Nick Vvisgerald is coming off an injury and

845
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 4: we'll see how how quickly the recovery process goes. But

846
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 4: the thought is if he's ready for the season, that's

847
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 4: pretty exciting what Nick Fitzgerald can do. Not many guys

848
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 4: have that combination of speed and arm. So I would

849
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: imagine Joe Moorehead's pretty pretty happy about this, and I

850
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: think they can be pretty good.

851
00:44:59,239 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 2: Now.

852
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 4: I don't know that they're going to be a year

853
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 4: in year out of CC West contender ever, because that

854
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 4: they play in the same division as Alabama and Auburn

855
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: and LSU and Texas A and M and it's just

856
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 4: that's probably asking too much, But can they have a

857
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: really good season every once in a while. In his

858
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: next season, potentially one of those seasons, Yeah, I think

859
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 4: they can do that. And the other thing that's interesting

860
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: about Morehead is he was a great coordinator at Penn State.

861
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 4: But he's not coming in there with no head coaching experience, right.

862
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 4: He was already the head coach at Fordham. And granted,

863
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 4: the dollar figures are different, the zeros on the check

864
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 4: and then the budget are really different. But some of

865
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 4: the issues you face as a head coach on the

866
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 4: FCS level are identical to the issues you face as

867
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 4: a head coach on the FBS level or in the

868
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 4: Power five level. I mean just just being the guy

869
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 4: who makes the fourth down decisions, the guy who go,

870
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 4: you know, do we go for it? Do we punt?

871
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 4: Being the guy do we go for two? Do we

872
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: on side kick it?

873
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: Here?

874
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 4: Those decisions he's already made. You know, he's already had

875
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 4: kids come in and say, Coach, I'm flunking out. He's

876
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 4: dealt with those problems before he knows how it works.

877
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 4: I think that puts him a little bit ahead of

878
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 4: the curve of some of these other first time head coaches.

879
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: Let's stay in the state of Mississippi, a much different

880
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: scenario over at Ole, miss kind of in a rebuilding

881
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: phase now after the Hugh Freeze era got to deal

882
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: with sanctions shorthanded in terms of scholarships, they're gonna have

883
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: to deal with guys like Shay Patterson who want to

884
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: transfer out. I feel like we've seen this movie before

885
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: and every time it's very difficult to both dig out

886
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: from whatever penalties you've got and still find a way

887
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: to move forward. Do you sense that Matt Luke has

888
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: a realistic and executable vision to whether this kind of

889
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: uphill fight.

890
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: I think he knows what works there.

891
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 4: I just don't know that he's going to be able

892
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 4: to do it while they're under the sanctions and dealing

893
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 4: with us. So I actually I've talked to Matt Luke

894
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 4: and he said that the recruiting piece of it feels

895
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 4: a little easier now that they know what the penalties are. Interesting,

896
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 4: you know, before when they didn't know and they were

897
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 4: just under this cloud constantly, he felt like, you know,

898
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: I don't know what to tell anybody. Guys don't want

899
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 4: to take us seriously because they don't know what the

900
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 4: ultimate penalties are going to be.

901
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: But now they know.

902
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 4: Now they understand, especially going forward when you're talking to

903
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: class of twenty nineteen guys, the bowl band will be over,

904
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: you know, they'll be They'll be limited by, you know,

905
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 4: by scholarship sanctions, but not completely gutted by them, so

906
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: they should be able to start digging back out of

907
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 4: this thing. The other part of this is, right now,

908
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 4: even though they are banned from a bowl game, and

909
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 4: I know they're trying to trying to take care of

910
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 4: that and see if they can appeal it, but probably

911
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: won't happen. But they do have a quarterback and that

912
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: is kind of half the battle at this point in

913
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 4: college football. Jordan Tama was one of the big surprises

914
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 4: of last year. You know, when Shaye Patterson went down anything, Okay,

915
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: what what is Ole miss gonna do now?

916
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: But Tamu came in and was very effective and he

917
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: was good. Yeah.

918
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 4: I mean, so imagine how good high school football in

919
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 4: Hawaii was when these three quarterbacks were all playing at

920
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: the same time, Jordan Tamo, Mackenzie Milton, and two a

921
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 4: tongue of Iloa, Wow, all.

922
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: At the same time.

923
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: Amazing.

924
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, and I think Tamu was one of the

925
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 4: one of the bright spots of last year, uh overall

926
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: in the country. And I think he will kind of

927
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 4: ease ole missus way through this period having a recurt Now,

928
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 4: if he gets hurt this is that's a little bit

929
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 4: different story. But we'll we'll see you with Matt corral

930
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 4: because he's a guy who was very highly rated, but

931
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 4: then he was committed to Florida with McElwain, Mullen gets

932
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 4: the job decided, you know, they kind of decide they're

933
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 4: not really a fit for each other. He winds up

934
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 4: at ol Miss he might be able to play immediately,

935
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 4: so and he might be and you know.

936
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 2: He's as good as advertised, he could be really good.

937
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 4: So I don't think Ole miss is in a terrible situation,

938
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: but I do think they're gonna suffer from the sanctions

939
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 4: a bit.

940
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: And you know.

941
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 4: The fact that they've had this cloud over them for

942
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 4: the last few years, I think is going to kind

943
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 4: of come home to roost at this point. So Matt

944
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 4: Luke's gonna have to weather the storm and the fans

945
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 4: are gonna have to be patient with him. But I

946
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 4: think that's kind of understood with the situation.

947
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: He walked into let me.

948
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: Close out the SEC West and we'll move over to Arkansas, where, look,

949
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to envision a more different offensive scenario

950
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: under Chad Morris than with Brett Bielima. They run two

951
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: vastly different systems. Morris comes over now, and look, it's

952
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: going to be different. It's going to be exciting. Do

953
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: you feel in your heart of heart, Sandy, like, this

954
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: is a guy who can turn Arkansas into some sort

955
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: of wild card in the SEC West, maybe not positioned

956
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: on a concer and basis to win that side of

957
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: the conference, but at a minimum, just like the angry

958
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: horse who's just always ready to kick and you don't

959
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: know when.

960
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, the one, the one you're scared could beat you

961
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 4: or could derail a championships.

962
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right.

963
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, if this works, that's that's what they are.

964
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 4: And this is the sort of the question since Arkansas

965
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 4: left the Southwest Conference, it's always been, well, you know,

966
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 4: can we really recruit in Texas since we're not a

967
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: member of the Southwest Conference anymore? And you're gonna find

968
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 4: out because Chad Morris, former SMU coach, former Texas high

969
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: school coach, if he can't recruit in Texas.

970
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: Nobody can.

971
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 4: But my guess is he will have success recruiting in Texas,

972
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 4: so you know, he knows exactly what he's looking for. Schematically,

973
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 4: I think that offense is going to give people problems. Again,

974
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 4: I don't know that they'll be able to get the

975
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 4: kind of horses on the d line that they really

976
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: need to be competitive year out, year in and you're

977
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 4: out in the SEC West. But yeah, when when let's say,

978
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 4: you know, those if he this is a good scenario

979
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 4: for him, if he gets in a situation where you know,

980
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,919
Speaker 4: he's got a special quarterback every once in a while

981
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 4: and some veteran players, that's where they're they're the team

982
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 4: that can really mess up your your really good team season.

983
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: So what they were in the back half a few years.

984
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 4: Ago, yeah, or what they were under Bobby Patrino, I

985
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 4: mean right, different different style obviously, but they were they

986
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 4: were solidly the third best team in the SEC West. Uh.

987
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 4: Right there at the end of the Patrino era, where

988
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 4: the kind of when he got on the motorcycle, they

989
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 4: were solidly the third best team in the SEC West.

990
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: And you know, third fourth best in the SEC West

991
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 4: be capable of beating the best every once in a while.

992
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 4: That's what you can hope. You know that that's what

993
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: you should be hoping for. And I do think if

994
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 4: Morris can get the guys that work in his system,

995
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 4: that is doable.

996
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 3: Fair and last and least, I'm I apologize that was

997
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: me and Oregon State fans. That was what UN called for.

998
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 3: I did not mean to have it sound like it did.

999
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 3: We had a question last week actually about whether Oregon

1000
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: State peaked in the two thousand and I think one

1001
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 3: festival that Chad Johnson, t J Huschman Zada. The answer

1002
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 3: is probably yes, if we're going to be fully honest.

1003
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 4: But then a couple good Thursday nights against USC they

1004
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 4: did part of that decade.

1005
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: I really hated that. I liked watching the Rogers brothers

1006
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: as much as I did.

1007
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: They were fantastic, they were so wonderful. Yes, So now,

1008
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: obviously since then the conference has gotten more competitive, there's

1009
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: a whole lot more money, better coaching. So does Oregon

1010
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: State under Jonathan Smith need to I think a good

1011
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 3: word is differentiate. Do they need to start thinking about

1012
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 3: what they're doing in extremes in terms.

1013
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 4: Of well they should have been thinking about that, but

1014
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 4: it's too late to hire an option coach.

1015
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: Now, it's too late to hire Kenna Modololo, which they

1016
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 3: definitely should have done.

1017
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 4: No, I mean, when you're Oregon State, you should absolutely

1018
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 4: do something completely psychotically different because that's your only shot.

1019
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 4: And you know, we'll see what Jonathan Smith can do that. Obviously,

1020
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 4: the offense he ran a Watchington is not that different

1021
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 4: than than anything else, So I don't know how that's

1022
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 4: going to go. But yeah, that's a prime, you know,

1023
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 4: prime option type candidate, and for whatever reason.

1024
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: They didn't, they didn't think that'd be a good idea.

1025
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1026
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: If somebody said.

1027
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 4: Well, you know, you can't ever recruit a five star quarterback, Well,

1028
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 4: I don't know how to break this to you, guys.

1029
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 4: You aren't going to do that anyway, and at least

1030
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 4: if you ran the option you wouldn't need to. But yeah,

1031
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 4: I think they should try very hard to differentiate themselves.

1032
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure that that's what they're playing.

1033
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: As fair enough. So where are you right now? So

1034
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: you are outside the Orlando airports?

1035
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: Yes, correct?

1036
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: And where are you going?

1037
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to Indianapolis for the combine?

1038
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 3: Have you done the combine before yes, I have, So

1039
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 3: what are you looking for to? Who are you looking

1040
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: forward to?

1041
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: Sing? What is what is the plan?

1042
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 4: You know, you get to talk to the players, which

1043
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 4: is good not for the NFL aspect it, you know,

1044
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 4: that's what a lot most of the people asking the

1045
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 4: questions are there for. So they ask questions like, you know,

1046
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 4: the reporter recovers the Browns, goes, have you talked to

1047
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 4: the Browns? And the guy goes, I talk to everybody.

1048
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 4: I'm going to talk to everybody when I'm here, And

1049
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 4: that's what everybody says, because everybody talks to everybody, So

1050
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 4: don't ask if they've talked to a specific team because

1051
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 4: they're going to No. For me, it's it's nice to

1052
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: do kind of exit interviews because guys tend to be

1053
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 4: a lot more loose talking about their college days now

1054
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 4: that they're over and there's no sid sendent, you know,

1055
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 4: staring over their shoulder, or maybe it's a guy who

1056
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 4: they just weren't allowed to talk during their college career

1057
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 4: or talked very rarely, and you know, sometimes it's fun

1058
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 4: to ask them questions about, hey, you know, what happened

1059
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 4: in this game or what and they're happy to talk

1060
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 4: about it, because they'd much rather talk about that than

1061
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 4: what they're going to do in their underwear the next day.

1062
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: Right, do you have a pet term like loose hips,

1063
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: like wingspan, functional athleticism. Do you have a favorite that

1064
00:54:59,040 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: you'll be using?

1065
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: Bubble? Bubble, combine?

1066
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 4: Turn?

1067
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: There is bubble? Huh?

1068
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 2: You know what the bubble is? Right?

1069
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: Of course? Explain it? Go ahead.

1070
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 2: You don't know what the bubble is.

1071
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: I know what the bubble is.

1072
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: I don't think you do. I don't know.

1073
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: If ty, what is your guess? My guess? My guess

1074
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: for the bubble is sort of like a tweener, a

1075
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: guy who's kind of in between rounds or.

1076
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 2: You know, no.

1077
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 4: Tournament bubble in terms of NFL scouting is a guy's ass.

1078
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: Okay, the bass?

1079
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 2: Does he have a big bubble?

1080
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: I stand corrected. I was confident that I had that

1081
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: correct does as soon as.

1082
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 4: I heard he was a big bubble and a and

1083
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 4: a solid bass? Or you know, does he does he

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00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: have no bubble? And and you know he might get

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00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 4: knocked knocked off his bass?

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00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 3: Andy said that I was like, he's talking very specifically

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00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: about a backside.

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00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: Well, I stand corrected.

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00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 4: I just I'm glad we got to drag that out

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00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 4: as a bit thank you that anything else, but yeah,

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00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 4: thank you worried you were going to say the correct

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00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 4: answer and I was gonna feel really stupid for dragging

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00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 4: it out.

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00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 3: This is actually, this is a really good opportunity. And

1095
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated gets some flak for the swimsuit issues, So

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00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 3: here's a chance for Andy to sort of even it

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00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 3: out and do like the best butts of the combine.

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Speaker 2: I could do that.

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00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see a reason you couldn't, because.

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00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 4: Guys who would prefer their butts not be ogled on

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00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 4: a national website.

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00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 3: I mean, this goes, This goes on the resume forever.

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00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,439
Speaker 3: Best it does, top five butt it does. But yeah,

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00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 3: I will see what's funny? Is there already are bubble

1105
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: critics out there?

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00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you guys that you.

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00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 4: Know may not gets really into the bubble. He'll talk,

1108
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 4: he'll talk a lot about the bubble.

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00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 3: So is there like because all bubbles are not equal

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00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: in terms of football bases and foundations. So even though

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00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 3: something is big, is there's a difference speech like a

1112
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: difference between two good big bubbles.

1113
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: The bubble, bobble as it were, the bubble bobble.

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00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 4: Imagine you've ordered an old fashion you know, like a

1115
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 4: double old fashioned glass that that kind of wide squat glass. Sure,

1116
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 4: if you can set that on a guy's bubble and

1117
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 4: it'll just stay there, that's a good bubble.

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00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: That's a bubble shelf tie. Yeah, that's what you're looking for.

1119
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 3: So we could not if we asked Bruce Feldman to

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00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 3: come on today, we could not have gotten that kind

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00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 3: of insight.

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00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: I think you probably would have. Bruce knows about the freaks.

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00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: He'd be talking about some freak bubbles.

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00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: That's true. Freak Oh my god, that's a tie. That's

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00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: our band name moving forward.

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00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: Freak Bubbles. Yeah, freak bubble. Andy Staples, Yeah, yeah, same page,

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00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: Andy Staples from Sports Illustrated. Enjoy the combine and come

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00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: back soon.

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00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: All right, any time, gentleman.

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00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: Okay, Dan, there you go, a lengthy but meaty conversation

1131
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: with our friend Andy Staples from Sports Illustrated.

1132
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: That would be a way to describe somebody at the combine.

1133
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 3: Lengthy but at the same time meaty beat you could

1134
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: you could probably accurately describe an elite tight end that way.

1135
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Okay, So I'm excited to see what he has

1136
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: to say about the combine. Check him out. He's all

1137
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: over Twitter, does great work for Sports Illustrated. Been our

1138
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: friend Gosh as far back as I can remember with

1139
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: this show, and it's good to have him back. Appreciate

1140
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: the conversation.

1141
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we have scheme theme coming up starting in March.

1142
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 3: We still have some big plans moving forward after March.

1143
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: We want to talk to We've we've had some conversation

1144
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: with schools about coaching stuff. So we're gonna get weird

1145
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 3: with I know we've already talked about what are we

1146
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 3: going to.

1147
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: Do with Bill Barnwell at the end of summer.

1148
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: Did we talk about late nineties Internet, Internet chatting and

1149
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: internet overall friendships? So, yeah, I'm excited for what we

1150
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 3: have coming forward.

1151
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: With that being said, the show is not going anywhere,

1152
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: and I did want to take some time here at

1153
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: the end to address some of your news that broke.

1154
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: As many people have wrote in asking concerned what is

1155
00:58:58,840 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: going on with you man.

1156
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: I'm glad you asked, because I do want to clear

1157
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: the air because there were a lot of people that

1158
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 3: asked in light of some news that the soliverbal continues

1159
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 3: and continues stronger than ever. We're very excited about the

1160
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 3: twenty eight seen season and beyond. But yes, if you

1161
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: saw on Twitter, and I know not everybody's on Twitter.

1162
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 3: I don't think I posted this on Facebook or anywhere else.

1163
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 3: Last week I was part of the espianation and Vox

1164
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 3: Media layoffs. I don't know people follow media news and

1165
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: stuff like that, but Vox Media cut about I want

1166
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 3: to say, fifty fifty plus people whatever, really good, strong,

1167
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: smart people. A lot of people. I know it was

1168
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: a pretty big bummer for me and for a lot

1169
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 3: of people. But you know, with some time to reflect,

1170
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 3: I sort of admit and recognize how fortunate I have been, very,

1171
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: very lucky to have been there for six years. For

1172
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 3: an overwhelming majority of my time there, it was a

1173
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 3: place with creative people making fun, different video things.

1174
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: I was a host and producer. It was collaborative.

1175
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 3: Everyone, you know, for the majority of those years loved

1176
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 3: coming into work and working together, et cetera, et cetera.

1177
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: Whatever, But.

1178
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 3: Nothing lasts forever, ty, No, you know this, Yeah, and

1179
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 3: I learned a ton from a lot of people. I

1180
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 3: made a ton of fun things, hopefully that people liked.

1181
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 3: With especially with the college football team. A lot of

1182
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: people we've had on this show and hopefully we'll be

1183
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 3: back on this show. Spencer Hall, who he had on

1184
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: before I went to eSPI Nation. Of course, Jason Kirk

1185
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 3: I think is the best college football editor that exists.

1186
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: I mean the amount of content he's able to come

1187
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 3: up with and help other people come up with. He

1188
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: is incredible. Bill Connolly of course, one of our dear,

1189
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: dear friends. But Elliott does a great job with recruiting

1190
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 3: Stephen Godfrey and everything he does as a feature writer

1191
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 3: and embedding himself, even Roger Sherman when he was there

1192
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: now at the Ringer. So a lot of amazing, amazing

1193
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 3: people on that team. But it's media life, Tie, It's

1194
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 3: it's it's startup life. One day. One day you're making big, fun,

1195
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 3: ambitious shows. The next well, honestly, if we're gonna we're

1196
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 3: gonna jump into this this cone of honesty that the

1197
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 3: show is.

1198
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: Tie.

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01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: You get a Slack message telling you to bring up

1200
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 3: your laptop and it's to a conference room and a

1201
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: like a carefully scripted message that my position is being eliminated.

1202
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 3: So that's one of those things, Tye. And it's very

1203
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 3: cool to hear from everyone immediately thereafter, and it's cool

1204
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 3: to have received a lot of support from a lot

1205
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 3: of people who've wanted to work with me moving forward,

1206
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 3: which is very cool and nice. But everything that comes

1207
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 3: of this is you know, solid verbal leads the way.

1208
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: So very excited to make cool things, hopefully that people

1209
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 3: enjoy with you. And here's the new beginnings. Tie, new beginnings, right,

1210
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 3: new beginnings. Espianation is and was a wonderful place, and

1211
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 3: now we move forward.

1212
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: I know the passion, I know the pride you put

1213
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: into your work. I think you're immensely talented. If you weren't,

1214
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: we wouldn't still be doing this. So look, no one's

1215
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,919
Speaker 1: going to hold you down. No one's ever held you down.

1216
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: I think the twinkle in your eye that was there

1217
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and eight when we started this

1218
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: is still very much there now in twenty eighteen, and

1219
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: just for you personally and for us collectively, I'm excited

1220
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: to see what comes next. So obviously you've got a

1221
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: big fan over here. I wish you well and I'm

1222
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: excited to be with you just in whatever small capacity,

1223
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: in whatever that next chapter brings. I'm sure it'll be great.

1224
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,919
Speaker 3: I appreciate that tie and shout out to my Wake

1225
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 3: college football co host Richard Johnson. I swear I will

1226
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 3: still watch college football, hopefully if you'll watch it with me.

1227
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, it's it's definitely a bummer. It's definitely

1228
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 3: a strange time, and I very much like working and

1229
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,479
Speaker 3: it's strange to go to a museum in the middle

1230
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 3: of a Tuesday. But you know there, you know it's

1231
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 3: a it's a fun time in its own weird way.

1232
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: The main takeaway if you listen to our podcast is

1233
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: we're not going anywhere. It's still going to be Dan

1234
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: and I. We still ride with Brandon McKissick. We ride.

1235
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: All the usual tropes still apply here on the podcast. Yeah,

1236
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: as we move forward now into March, we're excited about

1237
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: scheme thing and for the long slog ahead through the

1238
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: college football offseason, which we promise we'll try to make

1239
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: as fun as possible. We agree on that note. For

1240
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself to Hildebrand, thank

1241
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: you for listening to our show. Don't forget to subscribe

1242
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,480
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1243
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:05,800
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