WEBVTT - How MRIs Work

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<v Speaker 1>It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology with

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<v Speaker 1>tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poett and

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<v Speaker 1>I am an editor at how stuff works dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting across from me, as usual, is senior writer Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been ionized, but I'm okay. Now, okay, let's move

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<v Speaker 1>on to a little listener mail. This listener mail comes

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<v Speaker 1>from Brad, and Brad says, how about a series of

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<v Speaker 1>podcasts that explain the technologies of medicine between the diagnostics

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<v Speaker 1>like m R I X ray, CT scans and nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>medicine to read habilitative therapies like ultrasound and electrical stimulations.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of different possibilities. Well, Brad, we

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you. Now, granted those are that's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of topics, so we can't really, we definitely cannot tackle

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<v Speaker 1>them all in one go because we would be here

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<v Speaker 1>for five hours and I am exhausted, So we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to just do one of those. However, it is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the more technically difficult ones to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in a way it's magnetic resonance imaging or m r I.

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<v Speaker 1>S Yeah, you know, it's funny that you just said

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<v Speaker 1>five hours, because the very first m r I, which

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<v Speaker 1>was conducted on July third, seven, took about five hours.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. It took almost five hours to get one image.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was weird was the image was of a

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<v Speaker 1>man waving. No, that's that parts a lie. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>that that image was from a graduate student because the

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<v Speaker 1>original um, well one hesitates to use the word victim,

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<v Speaker 1>but subject, The original subject of the first m r

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<v Speaker 1>I was supposed to be the fellow who was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the driving force behind inventing the m r I machine,

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<v Speaker 1>Raymond Domedian. Yes, now, Raymond was not able to be

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<v Speaker 1>the first subject of the first m r I because

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't fit. Yeah, he was. He had a little

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<v Speaker 1>too much junk in the trunk. That's that's never mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Get in there, dude, My my trunk has got so

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<v Speaker 1>much junk in it. I'm just saying so, yeah, do

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<v Speaker 1>Median was not able to He was disappointed when he

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<v Speaker 1>first used his machine because it didn't work, and at

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<v Speaker 1>first he thought that perhaps all this work he had

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<v Speaker 1>been putting into developing this device was for not and

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<v Speaker 1>then someone suggested that perhaps a slightly thinner subject might

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<v Speaker 1>be better suited for the first test, and so one

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<v Speaker 1>of the graduate students that was working with him stepped

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<v Speaker 1>up to the plate and said that they would take

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<v Speaker 1>the place. And indeed it worked. It did take about

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<v Speaker 1>five hours. Um, that's it's a long time to be

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<v Speaker 1>in an MRI machine. Yes, and another just another trivia

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<v Speaker 1>act for those of you who like to play trivia games.

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<v Speaker 1>The very first machine was called the Indomitable. Yes. And

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<v Speaker 1>you can actually see the Indomitable Yes, it's at the Smithsonian. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wonder if the Abominable Snowman could be have

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<v Speaker 1>an m r I in the in the Abdomitable. I

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<v Speaker 1>am almost certain that the Abominable Snowman has even more

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<v Speaker 1>junk in the trunk than the median. Probably probably does.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ask my sister. She knows him. Okay, yeah, actually, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, that's true. I'm not making it up. So so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there there's a very small space in an m r

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<v Speaker 1>I machine. Um. And do you think we should mention

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into the technology behind it, what you

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<v Speaker 1>would use an m r I for sure? Sure? Why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you Why don't you illuminate? Okay, well, there there

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<v Speaker 1>are lots of different things that you can use an

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<v Speaker 1>m r I for. Now, what it does is it

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<v Speaker 1>basically captures an image of your insides. Um. I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to say sort of like an X ray, But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really like an X ray at all, because

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<v Speaker 1>X rays are really good for things like bone structure

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<v Speaker 1>and but damage to bones, whereas m r I s

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<v Speaker 1>are really good for soft tissue like organs. Yes, and Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>if you ever have the opportunity to see pictures that

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<v Speaker 1>have come from an m I, U might be worth

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<v Speaker 1>looking up online. But um, it's it's really fascinating. You

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<v Speaker 1>could see a whole lot of detail. Um. And speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of of detail, I mean I could tell you a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about that. I actually had an m r

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<v Speaker 1>I this year. We'll get into that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can look for things like tumors for different

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<v Speaker 1>signs of disease, torn ligaments or damaged tendons. Um, just

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<v Speaker 1>irregularities and organs. Someone might have an enlarged heart or

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<v Speaker 1>things of that nature. You have damage to blood vessels. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you have anything wrong with your abdominal area. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you could you could look to see if

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<v Speaker 1>there's something that's uh that's available, and the technology is

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing to me. The things the report that I

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<v Speaker 1>got back from the doctor when it was all done,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going, how did you see as they sent the

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<v Speaker 1>entire thing? So I saw all the other stuff, the

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<v Speaker 1>um the person who did it catalog pretty much everything

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<v Speaker 1>was visible, even things that they weren't looking for. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was going, that's a little creepy, yeah, but it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>You think the back scatter X ray machines at the

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<v Speaker 1>airport are are really detail oriented. Well. Also, I found

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<v Speaker 1>the key to my back door. It was it was,

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<v Speaker 1>it was inside there all the time, and I wondered

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to it? Apparently it fell in my burrito. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering if that was a euphemism. Now, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>actually we'll get into this. If there had been a key,

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been extremely bad. All right, Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's talk a little bit about m ris of

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<v Speaker 1>why they are important. Besides the fact that they look

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<v Speaker 1>at your squishy bits as opposed to your skeletal system

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<v Speaker 1>like all the uh, your lungs and liver and all

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff that they're really good for that. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a scientific term squishy bits. Yeah, well I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no adicition. Um, I don't have my my discinal degree. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The it's it's non invasive, so that means it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>there's no there's no incisions that have to be made.

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<v Speaker 1>And also unlike X rays, it is uh, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>an ionizing form of radiation. Right now, X rays are uh,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a form of ionizing radiation, which means that

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<v Speaker 1>when the X rays hits you, they can create ions,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, it's essentially it's stripping electrons away from

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<v Speaker 1>from atoms and this can cause cells to be damaged.

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<v Speaker 1>It can cause mutations, which is why you hear about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's it's why anyone who works in

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<v Speaker 1>an X ray laboratory laboratory, I could hear it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why that has every now and then I oratory.

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<v Speaker 1>My schedule has me in the laboratory this afternoon. They

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<v Speaker 1>but anyone who works in one of those they they

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<v Speaker 1>usually have to be behind like a protective barrier for

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<v Speaker 1>whenever they're running the machines. It's why when you get

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<v Speaker 1>an X ray done of your teeth. You may have

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<v Speaker 1>to wear out like the lead apron because too much

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<v Speaker 1>exposure to too too many X rays can cause damage. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>m r I s do not use that kind of radiation.

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<v Speaker 1>There is radiation that's involved, but it's not that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not that ionizing radiation. So it's there's no real damage, um,

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<v Speaker 1>that that could happen on that on that in that way.

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<v Speaker 1>There are ways to get damaged getting an m r I,

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<v Speaker 1>and you alluded to one of them earlier. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>what exactly is going on here? The m r I.

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<v Speaker 1>We said that that stands for magnetic resonance imaging. That magnetic,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is the really big part of this. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a an enormous magnet that is um uh generating a

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<v Speaker 1>very powerful magnetic field. Yes, extremely powerful. In fact, um uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They measure the field in in tesla, not in gaus,

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<v Speaker 1>which is typical of measuring magnetic fields, right right, gals

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<v Speaker 1>is a is a unit that's much smaller than a tesla. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, a tesla is equal to

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand cows and uh typical m r I machine. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, it's a very excellent article on this website.

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<v Speaker 1>That you mentioned earlier, right, how stuff works dot com. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a great article on our m R I

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<v Speaker 1>machines on there. But according to that article, um, we

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<v Speaker 1>do uh there there is an field of about to

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<v Speaker 1>tesla going on. So that's twenty thousand gaus if you

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<v Speaker 1>are inside the machine and um, and it is a

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<v Speaker 1>long machine. It's long enough to uh you know, stick

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<v Speaker 1>a whole human in there. Um. But yeah, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's got very very powerful magnets in their most frequently

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<v Speaker 1>their permanent magnets. Yeah, superconduction magnets. There are some that

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<v Speaker 1>do use permanent magnets, you're right, but the majority superconduct Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a superconductor is an interesting thing. They in order to

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<v Speaker 1>get a it's essentially a electro magnet. But to really

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<v Speaker 1>reach superconductivity, they have to lower the resistance within the

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<v Speaker 1>wires that create the magnetic field. Now if you I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you all remember, but an electro magnet is essentially

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<v Speaker 1>a coil of wire. You run an electric current through

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<v Speaker 1>this coil of wire and that generates a magnetic field. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>all wires have a certain amount of resistance. It's dependent

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<v Speaker 1>upon the material of the wire and the gauge of

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<v Speaker 1>the wire and resistance just that that that's going to

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<v Speaker 1>inhibit the strength of the magnetic field. So to lower

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<v Speaker 1>the resistance, you actually lower the temperature. And with superconductive

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<v Speaker 1>magnets you do this using liquid helium, which is incredibly cold.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the same stuff they used to cool the

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<v Speaker 1>Large Hadron Collider at CERN. That's point four degrees below

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<v Speaker 1>zero if you're talking fahrenheit, or about to sixty nine

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<v Speaker 1>point one below zero celsius, or as I call it

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<v Speaker 1>on my scale, really really really really cold. Yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>approaching absolute zero zero kelvin and um and of course

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<v Speaker 1>zero kelvin absolute zero. What that means is you've reached

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<v Speaker 1>a point where there is no molecular movement. So really,

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about temperature in a way, you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how fast molecules move. That's that's kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>way of thinking about it, right. Well, so this this way,

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<v Speaker 1>you're reducing the movement of those molecules as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>You run the electric current through it generates a very

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<v Speaker 1>powerful magnetic field. Now why do you create this magnetic field? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>to do to really understand that, you have to understand

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<v Speaker 1>that the the whole basis of m R I is

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<v Speaker 1>uh is on the principles of nuclear magnetic resonance. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, when you hear the word nuclear, you

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<v Speaker 1>start to freak out right because you know, yeah, well

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<v Speaker 1>it's nuclear power plants, nuclear bombs. You think about these

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<v Speaker 1>things that are potentially really powerful and devastatingly dangerous. But

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<v Speaker 1>really it just means that it we're dealing with nuclei here, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the nucleus of an atom, and we're talking specifically about hydrogen.

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<v Speaker 1>Hydrogen nucleus is a proton. You've got a proton an

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<v Speaker 1>electron that's hydrogen, so you're nucleus is just proton. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Nuclear magnetic resonance is a spectroscopic technique that gets information

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<v Speaker 1>about chemical and physical properties of a material at the

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<v Speaker 1>microscopic level. And it was developed it was actually discovered

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<v Speaker 1>by Felix Block and Edward Purcell at the same time, independently.

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<v Speaker 1>In why is it always? It seems like big advances

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<v Speaker 1>in science are always there are always two people that

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<v Speaker 1>figured out about the same time. I don't know. It

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty interesting when you sit there and you think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what driving forces inspired two people in different

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the world to study the same thing and

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<v Speaker 1>come to the same conclusion. Now, what I would argue

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<v Speaker 1>is that that shows that science is good, because it

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<v Speaker 1>means that if you follow the scientific method, you will

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<v Speaker 1>reach the proper conclusion in time. Alright, then, so I

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<v Speaker 1>figured there was some kind of bond between them. Science

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<v Speaker 1>as good as the alternative title of this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>tech stuff. Um. So, at any rate, they both actually

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<v Speaker 1>were awarded the Nobel Prize in ninety two. Domedian did

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<v Speaker 1>who invented the m R A machine, did not win

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<v Speaker 1>the Nobel Prize. But at any rate, you've got this

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<v Speaker 1>this principle, and the principle essentially essentially states that there's

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<v Speaker 1>this feature of of atoms called spines nuclear spin. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little interesting and a little difficult to explain,

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<v Speaker 1>but but atoms are spinning in a particular direction all right,

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<v Speaker 1>independently of other materials. But if you introduce a magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>field that's strong enough to the to the atoms, their

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<v Speaker 1>spin will align with that magnetic field. So it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like when you think of iron filings and a magnet.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have the magnet in a certain way, the

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<v Speaker 1>iron filings will actually start to align themselves in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the same direction as the magnetic field around that magnet.

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<v Speaker 1>So first you create this magnetic field, a powerful magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>field that's using the superconductor magnet, and you start to

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<v Speaker 1>align these proton uh well, I'm starty, not just protons,

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<v Speaker 1>but these hydrogen nuclei in the proper alignment. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>use a radio frequency that's a tune specifically to those nuclei,

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<v Speaker 1>and you hit the nuclei with a frequency. When you

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<v Speaker 1>do that, you excite some of the nuclei to a

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<v Speaker 1>higher state uh of energy. And then when you stop,

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<v Speaker 1>when you remove that radio frequency, the nuclear returned to

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<v Speaker 1>their relaxed state. They go back to what they were

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<v Speaker 1>doing before, right. And by measuring this different difference, you

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<v Speaker 1>can you can sort of see you know where the

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<v Speaker 1>protons are, where the nuclear are, But you have to

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<v Speaker 1>you have to get a little more specific than that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were just using the superconductor magnet and just

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<v Speaker 1>using radio frequency, you would know that there were protons there,

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<v Speaker 1>but you wouldn't really have a map, you wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>an image that you could look at. It would just

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that there were nuclei there. So what you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do is you have to actually add more

0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:42.080
<v Speaker 1>magnets to the mix and create a gradiated magnetic field.

0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:47.520
<v Speaker 1>So this this gradation, this variable magnetic field, gives you

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<v Speaker 1>more information and you can actually map out what the

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<v Speaker 1>the inside of something looks like based upon the position

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<v Speaker 1>of hydrogen uh atoms just through blasting it with radio

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<v Speaker 1>frequencies and putting this magnetic field around them. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting stuff. And it's a little complicated. Um, actually

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot complicated. But because we're talking about really

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about nuclear physics when we get down to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, of course, when you ever you talk about magnetism,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually you get to a point where I'm just like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're well beyond what I can easily explain. Nonetheless, they

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<v Speaker 1>really like magnets, and you know what a super cool

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<v Speaker 1>but um, and they're actually uh, I believe there are

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<v Speaker 1>actually three gradient magnets in an MR machine. Um, and

0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.280
<v Speaker 1>they're not as powerful as the superconductor magnet, but they

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<v Speaker 1>don't need to be right. Um, But let's see the

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<v Speaker 1>U the tunnel. There's basically it's if you think about

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<v Speaker 1>it, it it kind of looks like a donut on a stand,

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<v Speaker 1>a very long donut, and you the the hole. In

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<v Speaker 1>this case, it is called the bore b o r E. Yes,

0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I also get that term when I go to parties,

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<v Speaker 1>but we won't go there now, or sometimes when our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast goes long. But what happens when you go to

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<v Speaker 1>UH to sit in for an m R I uh

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<v Speaker 1>you are asked to basically leave everything behind. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>wear your clothes. You have to you know, strip down

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<v Speaker 1>and wear a hospital gown. They ask you things like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, do you have any metal in your body right?

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<v Speaker 1>Any screws or metal plates or if you have like

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<v Speaker 1>a pacemaker, anything like that could be um, well, that

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<v Speaker 1>would definitely be a problem, yes, because what what can

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<v Speaker 1>happen during the m R I process is depending on

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of metal that maybe inside, say it's a screw, um, uh,

0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.760
<v Speaker 1>steel screw it would it could heat up and because

0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:55.960
<v Speaker 1>internal burns, which are bad. Yeah, and you can't have

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<v Speaker 1>any metal in the room because it's gonna fly right

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<v Speaker 1>at that MR machine once you turn it on. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be fun. No, it's not fun. No, I mean

0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.960
<v Speaker 1>that was sarcasm um and it's sadly it is. It

0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.919
<v Speaker 1>has actually contributed well, it's contributed to a few pretty

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<v Speaker 1>well publicized accidents in in m R I labs um,

0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:19.960
<v Speaker 1>including I almost did again, Yeah, and you almost spit

0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.800
<v Speaker 1>coffee all over me. Um. So I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>do with laboratory aluminium. Yes, aluminium, I think is you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're pretty safe. It's not magnetics. And I have I

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<v Speaker 1>have actually some some titanium inside and I was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of wondering about that. What's your key was made out of? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yes it is. No, I had, uh yeah, some clips

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<v Speaker 1>from a previous surgery. You know. It's kind of concerned

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<v Speaker 1>because I knew they were made of metal and they said, no, no,

0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.639
<v Speaker 1>that's titanium. You're fine. No, I honestly did not know this.

0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.159
<v Speaker 1>But apparently Mr Palette is the bionic man. Well you

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<v Speaker 1>know that sixty million dollars doesn't buy what it used to.

0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.359
<v Speaker 1>This is this is becoming all that more more and

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<v Speaker 1>more apparent. Actually was six million, it wasn't sixty adjusting

0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:10.000
<v Speaker 1>for inflation. That's fair enough. But yeah, so they what

0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.440
<v Speaker 1>they do is they have you lie down on this um.

0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.600
<v Speaker 1>It's sort of like a long like you might see

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<v Speaker 1>a gurney, except it's attached to the machine. You lie

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<v Speaker 1>down and they there are motors attached to the underside

0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.440
<v Speaker 1>of that and they when you are comfortably lying back

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<v Speaker 1>on this device, they uh, the motors wheel you in

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't necessarily have to put your entire body

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<v Speaker 1>in the machine, which is good for people who are claustrophobic. Right,

0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.760
<v Speaker 1>they don't have to look at your head. It's probably

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<v Speaker 1>better not to just you can actually go in feat

0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.040
<v Speaker 1>first if if that's the case, I mean, um, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are there are times where people have been sedated

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<v Speaker 1>to uh in order to calm down enough to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to go through an m r I. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>tricky too because one of the other parts about getting

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<v Speaker 1>an m r I done is you have to stay

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<v Speaker 1>very very still. That is the truth, because if you

0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.840
<v Speaker 1>move at all, then you're going to distort the image

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.800
<v Speaker 1>because you're going to change the position of those those

0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.840
<v Speaker 1>nuclei everything that happens to be inside you. By the way,

0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.080
<v Speaker 1>in case you're wondering, we happen to have a lot

0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.840
<v Speaker 1>of hydrogen in our bodies. Um, it's stored mostly in

0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.160
<v Speaker 1>water and fat. But uh, one figure I read said

0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:22.919
<v Speaker 1>that about oh of us is hydrogen, so uh, you

0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.680
<v Speaker 1>know it's it's measuring where that is that we can

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<v Speaker 1>make the the images to to show what's happening. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you go in and uh the magnet kicks on

0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:39.159
<v Speaker 1>and the radio frequency starts to blast you, what's that like? Um? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that I have to say that

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<v Speaker 1>the technician who administered the m R I that that

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<v Speaker 1>I had earlier this year was very very patient. Um,

0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.640
<v Speaker 1>and although I'm not claustrophobic, I was a little concerned

0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.320
<v Speaker 1>that I might uh feel a little uncomfortable being in

0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.919
<v Speaker 1>such a tight space. Uh. They did put me all

0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.560
<v Speaker 1>the way inside the bore of the m R I machine. Um.

0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.040
<v Speaker 1>But one nice thing that they did, Uh they gave

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<v Speaker 1>me a set of headphones and uh they had you know,

0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.399
<v Speaker 1>gave me a variety of music to choose from, and

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I picked a station that I thought would be calming.

0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Did you choose the Magnetic Fields Book of Love? No?

0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I did not, but that is an excellent a series

0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:24.480
<v Speaker 1>of records. Um. But uh no, that's funny. I'm sorry,

0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kind of funny. Um. But that and they

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<v Speaker 1>put a towel over my eyes, you know, and had

0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.359
<v Speaker 1>me lay back, and uh, they can actually talk to

0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:35.679
<v Speaker 1>you from the booth so that you know, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing now? You are you feeling okay? Um? You know,

0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:43.159
<v Speaker 1>are you concerned? Um? What they didn't tell me was

0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.760
<v Speaker 1>it makes a whole lot of noise. And I didn't

0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.680
<v Speaker 1>read this article, uh, nor do any other research before

0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.199
<v Speaker 1>I went in. Uh so when this sounds, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hear a loud knocking, so this isn't uh you know,

0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I've heard that some machines there is a loud knocking noise.

0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Now I did not hear that. I heard sounded like

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<v Speaker 1>a warning class in from a nineteen seventy two science

0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:07.280
<v Speaker 1>fiction movie. And I'm going, well, either the bombing has

0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:12.440
<v Speaker 1>started and they're leaving me here to die, or this

0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.480
<v Speaker 1>is normal. Yeah, either the m I R I is

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<v Speaker 1>going as planned, or the Klingons have have materialized off

0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.159
<v Speaker 1>the starboard bell exactly. I'm not kidding. It was me,

0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going interesting, I assume that this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the normal functioning of the machine. And as it

0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:32.520
<v Speaker 1>turned out, the Klingons left the hospital pretty much, uh

0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, untouched. So that's good, that's good. But yeah,

0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.200
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a little it's a little disconcerting. But I

0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:42.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't really I didn't really feel a lot, now, you

0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.560
<v Speaker 1>know they that was up until that was probably the

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<v Speaker 1>two thirds of the way through the m r I.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they stopped and came in the room and

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<v Speaker 1>had to move my body back out of the bore

0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:53.920
<v Speaker 1>of the m r I. And I'm sure you probably

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<v Speaker 1>know why that is. We got to the next phase

0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.119
<v Speaker 1>of the m r I process because the m or

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<v Speaker 1>I can only do so much by itself. At one

0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.440
<v Speaker 1>point they ask you if you're willing to be injected

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:10.520
<v Speaker 1>with a die, yes, a contrast die. Yes. The thing

0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:14.119
<v Speaker 1>is it's it's from what I understand, it's radioactive and

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.920
<v Speaker 1>can cause some problems. Some people can have an allergic

0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:20.399
<v Speaker 1>reaction to it. That is one of the dangers of

0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the m r I is that you can you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually suffer an allergic reaction to the contrast material. Yea,

0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.080
<v Speaker 1>they gave me a nice long form to sign saying

0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 1>you really won't be angry at us if we kill you, right,

0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm kidding. It was yes, and they were They explained

0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it in great details. So they were very many nice people.

0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:41.600
<v Speaker 1>But um, but it's funnier to see it the other way.

0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, and so they injected me with a die,

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:48.600
<v Speaker 1>which felt very weird and uh kind of kind of

0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:52.120
<v Speaker 1>a cold feeling. Actually, yeah, I've I've had I've had

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:57.520
<v Speaker 1>various dyes injected into me, both on purpose and on accident. Hey,

0:22:57.600 --> 0:22:59.200
<v Speaker 1>let's see if we can turn the more in. She's

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:04.199
<v Speaker 1>a weird your college experience. Anyway, Then they put me

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<v Speaker 1>back inside the machine and ran the machine for another

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.480
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minutes. The whole thing for me only took probably

0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 1>about an hour. Yeah, the they tend to be between

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 1>fifteen and forty five minutes, but some can be a

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:18.840
<v Speaker 1>little longer. It all depends on the equipment, the technician,

0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.359
<v Speaker 1>and exactly why you need to have the the m

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:22.920
<v Speaker 1>r I done because you know, if it's just one

0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.080
<v Speaker 1>where you have to scan one little part of your body,

0:23:25.520 --> 0:23:27.439
<v Speaker 1>then obviously that's not gonna take as long as if

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you need, you know, like a full body scan. Um

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 1>when when you're being put through the boar, or when

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.040
<v Speaker 1>anyone really is being put through the boar, the part

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 1>of the body that needs to be scanned has to

0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:39.040
<v Speaker 1>be in the center of it, which is called the

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:43.399
<v Speaker 1>ISO center of the boar um. And like I said

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:47.960
<v Speaker 1>that those radio frequencies start to excite the hydrogen atoms

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:52.480
<v Speaker 1>in your body flipping them making them go to a

0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:55.359
<v Speaker 1>higher energy state. And then when what happens is when

0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>they go to that lower energy state, they actually give

0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 1>off radio frequencies the atoms do. The nuclei give off

0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 1>these radio frequencies, which you use. The m r I

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:09.080
<v Speaker 1>machine picks up those radio frequencies and that's what provides

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the information to UH to locate where the nuclei are

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 1>and thus build the picture of what's inside you. It's

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 1>actually pretty cool now, UM. Now, a lot of people

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of freak out because they or some people I'm

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:24.239
<v Speaker 1>sure do, because they hear the words radiation and they

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:28.200
<v Speaker 1>immediately think of ionizing radiation. But we're talking about radio

0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:32.359
<v Speaker 1>frequencies here, not X rays or gamma raise or anything

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>that would give you the power of super stretching abilities.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was really disappointed. Yeah, I gotta admit I

0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.440
<v Speaker 1>was a little disappointed to UM. But there are other

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.639
<v Speaker 1>things that can happen through an m r I that

0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 1>can some interesting side effects that are possible. Well, first

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 1>of all, not everyone can have an m r I

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<v Speaker 1>because if you have any materials in you that would

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 1>caught would interfere, obviously, that would be a bad idea. Um.

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>But also beyond that, there's the you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>too large, you couldn't have an m r I UM.

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:08.280
<v Speaker 1>And the boar is very very narrow. Yeah, it's like

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 1>two ft in diameter. So uh but yeah. One of

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the other possible side effects I've heard about are called

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 1>magneto phosphenes. I'm impressed but that I was able to

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 1>say magneto phosphines. Practiced that for about a minute before you. Yeah,

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I just I got to magneto and then I would

0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:34.919
<v Speaker 1>say I'll crush you x men. But magneto phosphenes. The

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 1>phosphene kind of gives it away. It's it's it's a

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>visual phenomena. You get these visual sensations. It's like, um,

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like flashes of light, like you're like someone's taking

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.880
<v Speaker 1>photographs of you, which kind of they are, except it's

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 1>not really photograph um. But you're getting these flashes of light.

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:53.919
<v Speaker 1>And what's happening is it's it's not entirely understood, but

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 1>it's it's these induced electrical currents that are occurring inside

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 1>your retina when you move through the magnetic field. UM

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<v Speaker 1>or that the or a magnetic field is changing around you. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it doesn't happen with everyone, and it's not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>happen on It's not gonna happen every time you get

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<v Speaker 1>an m r I or even if you have experienced

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<v Speaker 1>them before, there's no guarantee that you're going to experience

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<v Speaker 1>them again if you have another m r I and Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're harmless, but I'm sure that's very disorienting. Apart from these,

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<v Speaker 1>there really aren't that many hazards to having an m

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<v Speaker 1>r I done. Uh. And there are other potential uses

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<v Speaker 1>of m r I s that we're just starting to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of develop now, like the the functional m r

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<v Speaker 1>I s, which are really interesting. It's kind of making

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<v Speaker 1>a map of the human brain, and it can be

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<v Speaker 1>a real time map. You're actually looking at the images

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<v Speaker 1>as someone is being subjected to various stimuli, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the patterns that are occurring in the

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<v Speaker 1>brain and you start to map functions that way. And

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<v Speaker 1>the way this works is when you get someone to

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<v Speaker 1>think about something like think about moving your hand, or

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<v Speaker 1>think about the color blue or whatever, you know, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the criteria are. Um oxygen goes to the brain and

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<v Speaker 1>the level of oxy as the level of oxygen increases

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<v Speaker 1>in the regions where there's brain activity that actually affects

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<v Speaker 1>that magnetic field because oxygen is paramagnetic, and by measuring

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<v Speaker 1>the differing levels of oxygen in the brain, you can

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<v Speaker 1>kind of see brain activity. Interesting. Yeah, there's it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just the idea that you could you could do that,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how long. It seems like that would be

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<v Speaker 1>sort of impractical though, well, because you'd have to I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't use you wouldn't. You would be limited in

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<v Speaker 1>what you could offer the subject in stimuli because it

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<v Speaker 1>had to it would have to fit in the more

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<v Speaker 1>and not interfere with the machines. Involve a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking and what you can do. But there's one one potential,

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<v Speaker 1>uh use I've heard that's kind of scary and interesting

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, which is to use an f

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<v Speaker 1>m R I as a new and improved lie detector.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, where you ask the subject questions and you

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<v Speaker 1>observe the brain activity and look for attempts to be

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<v Speaker 1>subversive or to elude the the question asker, person, interrogator.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good word. We'll use that one. Hey, whatever, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been up for a really long time, so um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's kind of the the overall statement about m

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<v Speaker 1>R eyes and how they work. It's it's really a

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<v Speaker 1>very fascinating subject and if you really want to delve

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<v Speaker 1>into the science. Um Dr Joseph P. Hornack h O

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<v Speaker 1>r in A k of Rochester Institute of Technology, has

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<v Speaker 1>a hypertext textbook on m R eyes onlines free. You

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<v Speaker 1>can read all about everything the science behind MR eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>the math behind it, the math behind electron spins and

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<v Speaker 1>and nuclei spins. It's really fast, sinating reading and it

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<v Speaker 1>goes into way more detail and um you may need

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<v Speaker 1>most of the most of the text is pretty understandable

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<v Speaker 1>to someone who's got, you know, a good grounding in

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<v Speaker 1>math and science, but some of it's going to go

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<v Speaker 1>beyond that. So you know, if you are interested in

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing, I do recommend it, and also

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<v Speaker 1>our article if you want to have kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>general overview, and you know, we dive into the science,

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<v Speaker 1>but we don't get so far down that you need

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<v Speaker 1>a degree in science or mathematics in order to understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>Our article at how stuff words dot com is also great,

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<v Speaker 1>So I do recommend that. So that wraps up this

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<v Speaker 1>questions or suggestions for topics. We do plan on hitting

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<v Speaker 1>some of these other medical topics in the future, so

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<v Speaker 1>keep an ear out for those. Maybe we'll even have

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<v Speaker 1>this demystifying the m R. I. I guess, but if

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