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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful twenty four year

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Speaker 1: old woman seemingly vanishes into thin air. Where is Jennifer?

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? On August Day, It's Jennifer

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Speaker 1: left her family home in Sunnyside, thirty five miles east

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Speaker 1: You hear her younger brother are trying desperately to text her,

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Speaker 1: friend Nancy Leu at News Nation. Now, that is the

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Speaker 1: worst feeling. When you try and you try, and you

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Speaker 1: or their phone went dead, or they've got their phone

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Speaker 1: of Jennifer Cara. Dad with me an all star panel

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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now. First

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Speaker 1: of all, Kathleen Murphy joining us out of North Carolina

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Speaker 1: right now, family lawyer at NC Domestic Law dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalyst to the Stars, joining us from

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Speaker 1: la A. Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Justin Boardman, former

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Speaker 1: Special Victims Unit detective joining us out of Utah, and

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Speaker 1: the author of I Was Wrong and Investigator's battlecry for

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Speaker 1: change within the Special Victims Unit. But first straight out

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Speaker 1: to Justin Boardman joining us former Special Victims Unit Detective

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Speaker 1: Justin the Location of a crime a disappearance is very,

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Speaker 1: very important, and it depends really how the investigation will proceed.

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Speaker 1: If you're living in a high rise in New York City,

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Speaker 1: the Washington intern that went missing. The first thing cops

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Speaker 1: But that's where you start within the building. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you recall Justin Boordman, because I believe we talked about it.

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Speaker 1: The case of a beautiful pediatric dentist that was killed

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Speaker 1: So it matters are you there? Are you out in

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Speaker 1: tell me, Justin Boardman about this location. It's Yakima County,

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Speaker 1: but specifically it's Sunnyside. What do we know about it? Well,

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Speaker 1: Sunnyside is a small town of approximately about seventeen thousand

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Speaker 1: people in an area of Washington that's down closer to

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Speaker 1: important with me. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina. Family lawyer. You know,

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Speaker 1: I always stunned when somebody says family lawyer, because you

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Speaker 1: this location is very deceiving, because it is, like Justin

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Speaker 1: Lou at News Nation Now. On August Day, It's Jennifer

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Speaker 1: I just had a free feeling. I don't want to

428
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Speaker 1: be in well with him. Okay, that's unemployee moves in

429
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: with his girlfriend's family. I bet they weren't thrilled about that.

430
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: But what bothers me the most is that the phrase

431
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: used doctor bething, this is when you really need you.

432
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: She was quote consumed with him. You know, I would

433
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: expect to hear, oh, she fell head over heels. She

434
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: was so in love with him, she was captivated by him. Consumed.

435
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: That has a negative connotation to me. Yeah, it does,

436
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: because it implies that she feels it's all up to

437
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: her to hold on to him. You know, healthy relationships

438
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: are based upon mutuality. Both people are mutually and equally

439
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: invested and in love and meeting each other's needs. Consumed

440
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: with him, and also that she kind of lost interest

441
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: in her own work, implies that she is suppressing her needs,

442
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: her interests, her instincts to hold on to his love.

443
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: And I have this picture of him sort of being remote,

444
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: maybe possessive and jealous and remote all of the same time.

445
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that is it not

446
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: consumed by him? Is it controlled by him? Because when

447
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: you're in one of those controlling relationships, it's almost dictated

448
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: to you that you stay away from your friends at work,

449
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: that you spend more time with a controller, that you

450
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: break or disassociate with your family. And it may appear

451
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: to others that you're consumed by the partner, but in

452
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: fact you're being controlled by the partner well, because what

453
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: he's doing successively is cutting her off from everybody who

454
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: loves her, who could support her and could actually step

455
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: in and help her disagree with him. I mean, controllers

456
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: remove the victim's social and psychological support so that they

457
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: are the only influence in that person's life. And think

458
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: about it, Nancy, he did not have a job. And

459
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: what that also tells me, and he moved in with

460
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Speaker 1: the family, is that he had a parasitic relationship with him.

461
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: And when somebody has a parasitic relationship, think John Vanderslut

462
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: He never earned his own money. He just grifted from

463
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: place to place, living off the women he was with

464
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: and living off his family. You know, it paints a

465
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: scenario where somebody is not supporting their own life, so

466
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: they need to dominate the victim to get money from them.

467
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Speaker 1: Justin Boardman. First off, I love parasite such a perfect

468
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: word when you talk about offenders manipulation. I mean, let's

469
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: take a look at we're talking about the victim and

470
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: his It sounds very biased as far as what the

471
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: police department and stuff is thinking. Let's flip it. Let's

472
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: take a look at what he's been doing. Let's take

473
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: a look at his parasite abilities and his manipulation. So

474
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: how is he controlling? It's a power and control relationships.

475
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: He's he's manipulating. He's controlling the way that she thinks,

476
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: separating her from her supports them so that he can

477
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: have complete control, have her all to himself. Time stories

478
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. So how does in the midst of

479
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: her disappearance and the family brokenhearted on the back seater

480
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: close outside the family SUV parked at a twelve acre

481
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: lake forty five minutes away. None of that is good.

482
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: How does this seemingly unrelated crime a series of carjackings

483
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: connect to Jennifer's disappearance. Take a listen to our friend

484
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: Angela Curndall at Kima Cut five after several more armed

485
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: carjackings in Oregon, please say, twenty five year old Aurelio

486
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: Escobar has been caught in Medford, Oregon, following a high

487
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: speed chase and a shootout with police. It gave us

488
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: an instance sense of relief that he has been taken

489
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: into custody so that we can stop him from creating

490
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: more havoc along the Washington and Oregon and before he

491
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: victimizes anybody else. Seeley says, as soon as Escobar's out

492
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: of surgery and able to talk, he'll be flying a

493
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: detective down right away. Yesterday we learned Escobar's girlfriend is

494
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: also missing. We have to try to find the information

495
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: that he's holding as to what happened to his girlfriend.

496
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Doctor Betty, can you eat imagine the parents, these parents

497
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: that we're hearing crying, begging for help about their daughter

498
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: who is living with them, the apple of their eye,

499
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: and then the phone rings, they pick it up. It's

500
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: the cops. They haven't found the daughter, but the boyfriend

501
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: is in the hospital after a high speed chase following

502
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: a carjacking. That's not what you want to hear, Nancy.

503
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: It's shocking. And think about it. They probably brought him

504
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: into the fold with huge regrets. They probably didn't even

505
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: want him living with them, but they took him in

506
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: to make the daughter happy. So now they're going to

507
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: feel complicit, They're going to feel guilty, they're going to

508
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: feel frightening, frightened. And those are a lot of facts

509
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: to put together for just a normal family. Oh the

510
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: sense of dread that must have descended on them like

511
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: a wet blanket. Take a listen to our cut four.

512
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: Our friends at Kima Police say after the shooting, the

513
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: suspect drove to Wapatow, attempted a carjack ink, then drove

514
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: to Goldendale where he stole another car, then onto Portland

515
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: where he left that stolen car and stole yet another car.

516
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: He's basically moving from city to city, and he looks

517
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: like he's heading south and he's just committing crime in

518
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: every city he goes to, and he's forcefully he's carjacking

519
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: people at gunpoint, and he's willing to shoot people obviously

520
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: for their vehicles. My advice to the public is, if

521
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: somebody asked for your car keys and they produce a gun,

522
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: give them the car keys. It's a piece of property.

523
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: That's absolutely right. Justin Boordman, if somebody wants your car keys,

524
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: your car is not worth your life. It's certainly not

525
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: worth your life. Yeah, you just give it. You just

526
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: give it over if you don't resist, and you comply

527
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: until they leave. Yeah, and then call authorities. Absolutely. Now,

528
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: how was he affecting the carjackies? Not one, but multiple?

529
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: And this is who Jennifer's family finds out her boyfriend

530
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 1: really is. He's been living under their roof, had no

531
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: idea what he was really like. Take a listen to

532
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: our cut to our friends at Kima. Officers say the

533
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: victim was in the area behind me here with his

534
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: young daughter and a find of fishing when a man

535
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: came up to him with a gun demanding his car keys,

536
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: and the victim gave his keys, which is what I

537
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: would we would want him to do. But then the

538
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: victim started following the suspect and said, wait a minute,

539
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: give my keys back. I'm all my keys. The suspect

540
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: turned around a shot M three times to Christina and

541
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: Giardnelly joining us from KTVL. Christina, I guarantee you Jennifer's

542
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: parents had no idea what this boyfriend was really light,

543
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: what he's really capable of, and in the midst of all,

544
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: their daughter's gone. That's right, Nancy. I did speak to

545
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: those parents September twenty seventh, that was, and they said

546
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: that he had been living with them for about one

547
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: month when this all happened. He had you know, her

548
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: father told me that he had asked permission to move

549
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: in with them, and that, you know, at the request

550
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: of his daughters told him, you know, she loved him,

551
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, what can I do? That's

552
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: my daughter. I got a support her. So you know,

553
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: this is what the parents are telling me that when

554
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: they find the vehicle, that's the first they hear of it. Guys,

555
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen again to our

556
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: cut six. This is our friends from k I M A.

557
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: Please say they found what appeared to be a substantial

558
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: amount of blood in the backseat of the car. Escobar

559
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: drove to Yacomar, before he demanded car keys from a

560
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: man on the greenway next to Bergland Lake and shot

561
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: him three times. Officers say that car belonged to Escobar's

562
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: girlfriend's parents. Authorities say twenty four year old Jennifer Karidad,

563
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: who you can see here, has been missing since Friday

564
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: and was last seen with her boyfriend Escobar at a

565
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: sunnyside gathering. So what that means to me, Christina Giardinelli,

566
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: is the little brother was right that Jennifer says, Hey,

567
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: I gotta go pick up my boyfriend or Relio, And

568
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: this tells me she did pick him up. She didn't

569
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: just drive to that lake all by herself. She picked

570
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: him up, because then he is spotted in the family's

571
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: suv before it's found at the lake, right Nanthane. Of course,

572
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: we don't know what happened there yet, but what we

573
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: do know is the twenty four year old piction that

574
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: you just heard about there. You know, he did tell

575
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: police that he saw Escobar going to and from his

576
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: suv looking suspicious, So that is one of the fact

577
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: that we know from that situation. Guys, Jennifer is still missing.

578
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: The TIMP line is five zero nine eight three six

579
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Speaker 1: sixty two hundred repeat five zero nine eight three six

580
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: sixty two hundred. Look at her five O nine eight

581
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: three six sixty two hundred. Jennifer Carrot at just twenty

582
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: four years old. Her parents still don't know where she is.

583
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twelve. This is Cody

584
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: Proctor k E. P. R. Jack Well. Police say the

585
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: man accused of going on a multi stage crime spree

586
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: isn't giving them any answers about his missing girlfriend. Detectives

587
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: were finally able to speak with Aurelio Escobar, who's recovering

588
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: after being shot by police several times. Investigators say as

589
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: soon as they asked Escobar about blood foul to the

590
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: back seat of the car he was driving, he told

591
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: them he wanted an attorney and stopped talking. Detectives think

592
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: that blood maybe from Escobar's missing girlfriend, Jennifer Carradad. Police

593
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: say Escobar shot a man in Yakima, then went on

594
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: a spree of carjackings before getting in a shootout with

595
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: police in Medford, Oregon. Divers returned to Bergland Lake Saturday

596
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: to search for evidence. They say they didn't find anything.

597
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, that's not what you would expect

598
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: a loving boyfriend to say, there's blood in the back

599
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: seat of where your girlfriend was last seen in the car.

600
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: I would go berserk if someone found blood where a

601
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: family member was last seen. He just clammed at wanted

602
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: a lawyer. But Nancy, think about this. What if the

603
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: entire family was a mark. In other words, what if

604
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: he solicited Jennifer's attention and love so that he could

605
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: move in with the family, so that he could steal

606
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: their van, so that he could go on a crime spree,

607
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: on and on and on. I mean, we're thinking about

608
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: him as being a controlling boyfriend. What if it's even

609
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: worse than that. What if he's a sociopath like the

610
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: sheep and Wolf's clothing who moves into the house and

611
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: moving in with Jennifer's family is the beginning of the

612
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: crime spree. That is where it all begins. And once

613
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: he has a body, he has to do a daisy

614
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: chain of hijacking cars and getting rid of one and

615
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: getting another. Why does he have a body with him?

616
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: I mean, what's what's going on? What is his goal

617
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: at this point? A second, let's to arrest of our

618
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: cut twelve. Oh you ll be if somebody will call

619
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: in and give us, Let him give us the information.

620
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: At this point, were you've exhausted everything that we do,

621
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: think of, we research the area that we're worried. At

622
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: this point, you were hearing the police chief Jay Feely,

623
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: hoping that a miracle will happen and someone will call

624
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: in a tip to the number I'm giving you. Five

625
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: zero nine eight three six sixty two hundred. Back to

626
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: our friend, joining as Christinas yard Nelly, where is Escobar?

627
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: Now he's actually in jail here in Jackson County awaiting trial.

628
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: So after the shootout with police and still no word

629
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: about Jennifer as her family waits distraught, tipline again, five

630
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: zero nine eight three six sixty two hundred, Where is Jennifer?

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,