Speaker 1: What is up, Dolphans And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host Travis Wingfield, and on today's show,
Speaker 1: with Toran's retirement official, I wanted to spend some time
Speaker 1: watching Patrick Paul and give you an assessment on his
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty eight reps from his rookie season,
Speaker 1: plus two more player prospect profiles as well look at
Speaker 1: two more potential options at pick thirteen with South Carolina's
Speaker 1: Nick e Man Worry and Organ's Derek Harmon to round
Speaker 1: out our round one potential wish list from the Baptist
Speaker 1: Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex.
Speaker 2: This is the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1: Jie so currently working on the Friday and next Monday podcast,
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of like realizing how quickly the
Speaker 1: Draft is approaching and how ready I am for this
Speaker 1: year's class. I am very excited about it because the
Speaker 1: more I dive into Day two and Day three options, like,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of players that I think would
Speaker 1: make this football team better across the ten picks that
Speaker 1: you have, and I cannot wait to share all the
Speaker 1: information that I've kind of gathered for you guys. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go heavy next week, the week of the draft,
Speaker 1: will have Kyle Krabs on for his annual two part
Speaker 1: episode and then we're there. We'll be talking about the
Speaker 1: draft come Thursday night, breaking down that first round pick
Speaker 1: wherever it might come from.
Speaker 2: And I am fired up. As for today's show.
Speaker 1: First off, Happy Masters Week to everybody who celebrates. I
Speaker 1: kind of wish my body had shut down last week
Speaker 1: and I was sick for five days compared to this week,
Speaker 1: or I should say wish it was this week compared
Speaker 1: to last week, because that Texas Valero open just does
Speaker 1: not quite have the same juice of Augusta.
Speaker 2: But I digress.
Speaker 1: So the left tackle position pivot has some clarity following
Speaker 1: the news that came down over the weekend, and I
Speaker 1: think we start here. I think Patrick Paul could become
Speaker 1: the model of how things are run in Miami if
Speaker 1: all goes according to plan this season. And what I
Speaker 1: mean by this is it's draft night. You're on the clock.
Speaker 1: You have all these options, some maybe for immediate impact
Speaker 1: and betterment of the team, but not for the best
Speaker 1: long term interest of the team. And while you're staring
Speaker 1: down that ball of clay that fits everything that you do,
Speaker 1: but maybe you don't have a starting spot for him
Speaker 1: as a rookie, or perhaps there's some technique issues that
Speaker 1: have to get ironed out, or NFL strength training. A
Speaker 1: cornucopia of reasons why that player might not be the
Speaker 1: best year one fit, but come year three, they're the
Speaker 1: best potential player on the board for you. And we
Speaker 1: can probably apply this to a decent portion of that
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four class, right, I mean, we just just
Speaker 1: a random aside. One of the things I appreciate most
Speaker 1: about coach McDaniel is we get this every offseason. He
Speaker 1: and they as a staff will assess what went wrong.
Speaker 1: They come up with a plan for how to attack it.
Speaker 1: They communicate that plan with us in the media and
Speaker 1: as fans. Then the moves tend to track with those
Speaker 1: comments and ideas and with coach. This year it's been
Speaker 1: about the emphasis on draft picks, young players, free agents
Speaker 1: off that first contract, all the things we highlighted about
Speaker 1: potential ways to attack the offseason and roster building philosophies
Speaker 1: that we had Kyle on four that I talked about
Speaker 1: here for the Miami Dolphins heading into the season, and
Speaker 1: for this year, it's basically been an emphasis on draft
Speaker 1: picks and how that's the key in the current NFL
Speaker 1: landscape for a multitude of reasons. It's always been that way,
Speaker 1: but it's more highlighted now than ever before because of
Speaker 1: what's happened to free agency. You're getting adequate starters, you know,
Speaker 1: third tier players getting Tier one contracts in many respects.
Speaker 1: Jalen Wright was this way. Malik Washington kind of was
Speaker 1: two to a lesser extent, but before December he had
Speaker 1: ten catches. Chopp finishes a lot stronger, but he was
Speaker 1: an impact player. So as a rookie, I don't really
Speaker 1: include him in that group, but you get the concept.
Speaker 1: Drafted players who began to really take off after their
Speaker 1: rookie season. We saw with Robert Hunt, who barely played
Speaker 1: as a rookie, which I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: saw the back and forth with Robin and Omar on Twitter,
Speaker 1: but hilarious gaff once again there. We saw it with
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson in his fourth season. It goes back to
Speaker 1: something I said in the podcast at least one hundred
Speaker 1: times this year, over a thousand or I should say
Speaker 1: over one thousand episodes over five years. The best way
Speaker 1: for teams to improve is for the incumbent players to
Speaker 1: step forward. So to bring this back, a lot was
Speaker 1: made over the selection of Patrick Paul because of the
Speaker 1: perceived needs at the guard position last year. And now
Speaker 1: look at where we are, a predictable place where our
Speaker 1: generational tackle who willed himself onto the football field for
Speaker 1: basically three straight years, doesn't finish a full seventeen games,
Speaker 1: but plays a lot of games. But we knew that,
Speaker 1: like the body was just not going to last that
Speaker 1: much longer, right, and the retirement comes down the pipe,
Speaker 1: And imagine how much tougher this offseason becomes if you
Speaker 1: had to fined to Ron's replacement. Because we've been over this,
Speaker 1: the free agent tackle market does not exist. It's blockbuster,
Speaker 1: it's gone. I mean it does. But you're paying like
Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars for Dan Morgan who is a
Speaker 1: fringe starter at best. It's quite crazy. And then in
Speaker 1: the draft, tackles tend to go super fast, and you
Speaker 1: might be able to get like a Kelvin Banks at thirteen,
Speaker 1: but I don't think that's an inspire hiring draft pick
Speaker 1: if he's there. And I'm not sure that thirteen is
Speaker 1: the place where you get value for the tackle position,
Speaker 1: and then it picked forty eight. Tackles don't usually usually
Speaker 1: don't come off that late, which is I guess a
Speaker 1: contradiction because Patrick Paul was in that range. But that's
Speaker 1: why you drafted him and sat him and developed him,
Speaker 1: because he wasn't ready to play as a rookie. So
Speaker 1: there would have been really challenging questions to solve that issue.
Speaker 1: But now we have Patrick Paul who's had a year
Speaker 1: of coaching in the system, which is so valuable in
Speaker 1: this offense in particular, had a really good training camp
Speaker 1: and then showed substantial growth from his rookie tape compared
Speaker 1: to what he was at Houston. And I would even
Speaker 1: say what he was on tape against the Titans in
Speaker 1: that first start in the horrible no good week four
Speaker 1: Monday night beat down by a bad football team versus
Speaker 1: what we got in the Jets and Texans games where
Speaker 1: he didn't start the Jets game, but he played from
Speaker 1: the fourth snap on. And I know PFF doesn't really
Speaker 1: like him, but we don't give a tamn about that,
Speaker 1: right because I mean, they're grading process. Hees have really
Speaker 1: gone by the wayside over the years. And I would
Speaker 1: also challenge anybody watching Paul to do it on a curve,
Speaker 1: because Paul's twenty twenty four reps on an Island shouldn't
Speaker 1: be viewed in the same prism as Patrick Paul's twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four reps compared to where that college tape was, Like,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, he was mechanically a disaster in college.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: I mean, Chris Greeven had to take it to the
Speaker 1: podium and say, like, even when he gets beat and
Speaker 1: the mechanics are bad, there's still wins on tape. Like
Speaker 1: he had to calm the backlash over that. But we
Speaker 1: saw vast improvements really from training camp day one all
Speaker 1: the way through December. I knew early on that Pat
Speaker 1: had the right demeanor to execute. What he told me
Speaker 1: was his biggest goal was to relearn his pass protection
Speaker 1: technique because at Houston he was doing something called catching,
Speaker 1: where you basically open your hands and throw them at
Speaker 1: the defender rather than punching. It's more of a looping
Speaker 1: mechanic than like a straight eight point eight to point
Speaker 1: B punch, and he explained this in his media availabilities.
Speaker 1: But he also told me on Drivetime last summer that
Speaker 1: his ambition to really work on his past sets and
Speaker 1: when he told me his goal is to one day
Speaker 1: be the president of Nigeria, where his grandfather was once president,
Speaker 1: when his playing career is over, and just by getting
Speaker 1: to know him, he is an extremely driven individual, so
Speaker 1: you need not worry about him putting in the work.
Speaker 1: That's a certainty. Is that a guarantee that he'll be
Speaker 1: a good player. No, it's not, but it's a prerequisite
Speaker 1: that you cannot skip over. So at least we have that,
Speaker 1: So I thought, why don't we provide an assessment. He
Speaker 1: played one snap in Seattle. He played sixty in the
Speaker 1: Titans game the entire game, by the way, nineteen in
Speaker 1: the home win versus the Pats, seventeen in the game
Speaker 1: in Green Bay. Then he got two basically full games
Speaker 1: versus the Jets. Started the game against the Texans, came
Speaker 1: off the bench in the Cleveland game for thirty three snaps.
Speaker 1: Then he started at right tackle against the Jets in
Speaker 1: the finale. And I don't I'm gonna shed those last
Speaker 1: two games because he's not a right tackle. He wasn't
Speaker 1: ready for that position, I don't think. And also coming
Speaker 1: in cold against Miles Garrett. I don't think is a
Speaker 1: reasonable measurement for a guy that we're trying to evaluate
Speaker 1: and see where his growth can be in year one.
Speaker 1: So now if he sees miles in a game this
Speaker 1: year and we have the Browns on our schedule, then
Speaker 1: for that's all, like you have to perform in those situations,
Speaker 1: so that one's on the table. But for this purpose
Speaker 1: is for the purpose of this assessment, we're going to
Speaker 1: remove those two games.
Speaker 2: So I looked at the Titans game.
Speaker 1: I wanted to look at the Packers and Patriots minimal
Speaker 1: snap games as well as those Texans and Jets starts
Speaker 1: or almost start against the Jets, So two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty one snaps in total, and that Jets game, he
Speaker 1: comes off the bench for Toronto Armstead four plays into
Speaker 1: the first drive, we score a touchdown, Armstead comes back out,
Speaker 1: and then pauls back in two plays later. So I
Speaker 1: think Testead played like six snaps in the game. And
Speaker 1: the play that play is his first outside zone play
Speaker 1: called in the entire game, and he reaches a nine
Speaker 1: technique knocks him off his spot. A nine technique is
Speaker 1: a guy that's way outside of your tackle right he
Speaker 1: is outside where a tight.
Speaker 2: End would be.
Speaker 1: He's like two or three steps away from the formation,
Speaker 1: and so you have to get out there and get
Speaker 1: to the outside shoulder and turn him back inside. And
Speaker 1: Pat not only knocks him off of his spot, he
Speaker 1: turns him in and steals him inside. And that's the
Speaker 1: most consistent thing I see on his tape to hit
Speaker 1: blocks in space with control and overpowering control quite frankly,
Speaker 1: and when you know it, that's the basis of this offense.
Speaker 1: Like I know, there's a lot of conformation about certain
Speaker 1: picks and evaluations, but like they know what they're doing
Speaker 1: in terms of what they look for and who fits
Speaker 1: those traits. And that's evident as you know, clear as
Speaker 1: day with Patrick Paul. And you see how that factors
Speaker 1: in with our play action game. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have this on an episode of
Speaker 1: Dolphins HQ coming up. I'm gonna break down these two
Speaker 1: plays in particular where you get an outside zone run
Speaker 1: and then play action pass off of that, and they
Speaker 1: just marry up so well together. And I think that
Speaker 1: he especially executes these two factors, and this is the
Speaker 1: beauty of our offense because those guys have to brace
Speaker 1: the edge. Defenders have to brace for a potential four
Speaker 1: two eight running back coming around the edge with the football,
Speaker 1: and then also contend with a three hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: five pound monster who wants to ruin their life with
Speaker 1: great athletic ability, trying to put them six feet below
Speaker 1: the hard rock surface, hard rock stadium surface, out they're
Speaker 1: on the playing field. So he's able to go jump
Speaker 1: set these nine technique rushers and just lock them down
Speaker 1: because they're on their back foot, like you're bringing the
Speaker 1: heat to me, I have to adapt to you.
Speaker 2: So where he utilizes.
Speaker 1: His athleticism in the running game, in the play action game,
Speaker 1: that allows him to neutralize his rush counterpart to a
Speaker 1: phone booth. And if you look at his pass rush
Speaker 1: stats like or at pass rush stats across the league,
Speaker 1: there's a reason that tackles give up the most pressures
Speaker 1: then guards than centers. It's the further out you are,
Speaker 1: the more space you have the tougherness to block those guys.
Speaker 1: And you'll watch Tron Armstead and how often he would
Speaker 1: jump set. It's basically, when you have that nine technique,
Speaker 1: you go meet them where they are. You don't get
Speaker 1: vertical and allow them a three or four step runway
Speaker 1: to build speed, to set up a counter move, to
Speaker 1: set up a bull rush. You go get them where
Speaker 1: they are, cut that runway down to two steps, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they have to win in a
Speaker 1: phone booth. And to me, Paul has a natural transition
Speaker 1: to this from the run game because of his traits
Speaker 1: in play style. So one play he erases a defender
Speaker 1: at the point of attack. Then on a similar play
Speaker 1: but with play action on the play the next snap,
Speaker 1: he creates a situation where this two hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: pound edge has to try to beat him in a
Speaker 1: phone booth. And there's not anybody in football doing that.
Speaker 1: Like from a physiology standpoint, it's not possible because Patrick
Speaker 1: Paul's three hundred and thirty five pounds with an eighty
Speaker 1: five inch wingspan. You like it's trying to like, he's
Speaker 1: his back is to the phone in the phone booth,
Speaker 1: and you have to get to the phone around him.
Speaker 2: You can't do it because he's blocking it. He's too big.
Speaker 2: There's not enough space in the phone booth.
Speaker 1: The balance, the poise, the lack of heels clicking, which
Speaker 1: for a guy that size, I'll never forget Phil Loadholt.
Speaker 1: He was a tackle out of Oklahoma who played for
Speaker 1: the Vikings, and we had the Vikings in Week two
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine after a win on the road
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, and the Vikings were coming off the first
Speaker 1: Brett Favre. Maybe it's twenty ten, yeah, twenty ten, the
Speaker 1: Brett Favier. They lost an MFTY championship game to the Saints,
Speaker 1: and we were supposed to lose that game. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: watch out for Cam wake on Phil Loadholt because he
Speaker 1: clicks his heels. He's a three hundred and forty pound
Speaker 1: tackle who can't move, and Cam wake eats those guys
Speaker 1: for breakfast. And sure enough, I think Cam had two
Speaker 1: sacks like a safety or a fourth fumble in that
Speaker 1: game and basically won us that game. Like Patrick Paul
Speaker 1: is the same size as Phil load Holt, but he
Speaker 1: moves like Tron Armstead does. He's a smooth glider who
Speaker 1: can really react to the attempts to create distance, to disengage,
Speaker 1: to cross face or get up field. In fact, his
Speaker 1: poison balance in general I think should be praised. He's
Speaker 1: pretty good about having his butt parallel to the ground
Speaker 1: as he covers ground on the kickslide.
Speaker 2: He constantly is.
Speaker 1: In great shape against those wide nine rushers, but not
Speaker 1: having a vertical set, or by not having a vertical
Speaker 1: set rather but getting out there and shortening up their
Speaker 1: runway and not getting over anxious on that first move.
Speaker 1: So his tape honestly comes down to one thing between
Speaker 1: his flat out, dominant reps and the ones where he
Speaker 1: doesn't look as sharp. And to me, it's the hands
Speaker 1: when he gets his punch right and inside. The comparison
Speaker 1: is Billy Madison against the fourth grade class playing dodgeball.
Speaker 2: They're all in big, big trip. Man.
Speaker 1: They just don't make movies like that anymore, do they.
Speaker 1: But for Pat, like, when the punch is accurate and good,
Speaker 1: that's what it looks like like. He's, you know, playing
Speaker 1: basketball against a bunch of people that are three foot
Speaker 1: six tall. When his hands get outside the rushers, they
Speaker 1: can kind of take control of the rep. And I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here telling you how great he is. Let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and talk about some of the things that jumped
Speaker 1: out in a negative way on the tape. Some of
Speaker 1: the flaws I saw those hands are still outside the framework.
Speaker 1: Too often we have to clean that up and we
Speaker 1: get back to the more Billy Madison reps. A post
Speaker 1: to getting beat. It doesn't allow him to lock down
Speaker 1: or keep a defender where he wants. They can kind
Speaker 1: of control the rep from there. A couple of goal
Speaker 1: line runs against the Jets where he washed an edge
Speaker 1: inside but was able was not able to finish the
Speaker 1: block because they could work back across his face because
Speaker 1: of Patrick's inferior hand position.
Speaker 2: On the rep.
Speaker 1: There's some waste bending, which is where you'll see the
Speaker 1: player's body basically folding half into blocks, and that is
Speaker 1: the worst place to be for an offense. Am You
Speaker 1: can't see what you're hitting, Your balance is terrible. You're
Speaker 1: not going to be able to pivot or drop step
Speaker 1: or do anything. It's an awful place to be. There's
Speaker 1: some of that in his tape still, it seems to
Speaker 1: be from alignments. When he gets that look where he
Speaker 1: is on the line of scrimmage with a tight end
Speaker 1: attached and he can't get that depth. The tackle kind
Speaker 1: of sets further off the line of scrimmage. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he feels his corner is shorter and feels
Speaker 1: more urgency because of that tight end alignment next to him.
Speaker 1: But from those reps you can see him kind of
Speaker 1: race to get to a spot. Then the feet stop,
Speaker 1: and that's also a non sequard or you cannot have that.
Speaker 1: And this usually comes with an inside move that he
Speaker 1: has a tough time reacting to. He does drop his
Speaker 1: head into blocks. You can see some reps where everybody's
Speaker 1: head is up and face masks are on their blocks,
Speaker 1: and you'll see the face mask of Pat's helmet looking
Speaker 1: straight down to the ground.
Speaker 2: You cannot do that.
Speaker 1: There's reps where he's just straight down and you can't
Speaker 1: block what you can't see. I think back to Chris
Speaker 1: Greer's comments about him on draftnight once again that he
Speaker 1: can be mechanically bad and still win because of the
Speaker 1: physical skills. And that's still the case for him as
Speaker 1: a pro, which is kind of crazy, because he is
Speaker 1: the best athletes in the NFL or in the world,
Speaker 1: I should say, Like on the opening drive against the
Speaker 1: Jets where he made that key block for the HM
Speaker 1: touchdown run, you see him drop his head, but the
Speaker 1: way he drives his man off the football and totally
Speaker 1: uproots him. It's the key block for a touchdown run.
Speaker 1: And you see pat celebrate accordingly. So I think you've
Speaker 1: got a mechanically deficient, mechanical deficiency and you still get
Speaker 1: that type of win if he can harness it, if
Speaker 1: he can take strides in that area. My expectations for
Speaker 1: all offensive linemen that come in the league these days,
Speaker 1: because we've talked about the lack of development at the
Speaker 1: college level, right then if he can do all that,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have something special because he'll have the wow
Speaker 1: reps and then the bad reps will not be you know,
Speaker 1: Liam getting split in half and falling down and everyone
Speaker 1: has a meme about it on social media. The bad
Speaker 1: rep is like, oh, he barely lost the edge there
Speaker 1: and it sped two up by a tenth of a second.
Speaker 1: If not, it's going to be a player with flashes,
Speaker 1: but also plenty of bad losses stick out in your mind.
Speaker 1: So to me, like the ceiling is already like attainable
Speaker 1: and there for him, but we got to get that
Speaker 1: floor up and we can do that through better technique.
Speaker 2: I think the best part.
Speaker 1: Of his game is if you don't really see him
Speaker 1: give ground upon contact to condense that down. He's just
Speaker 1: hard to move, which is a good trait for an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman right, whether it's ceiling an alley or absorbing
Speaker 1: a bull rush, guys aren't displacing him the way he
Speaker 1: impacts guys with one arm, Like you can see guys
Speaker 1: being moved when he reaches out and just pushes them
Speaker 1: with one hand, which is a sign of heavy hands,
Speaker 1: which is a great trait to have for an old lineman.
Speaker 1: Once again, so you have the reach blocks, play side,
Speaker 1: running left, and those are great, but man, when he
Speaker 1: has to run to the right and reach a three
Speaker 1: technique and cut him off to seal the backside. The
Speaker 1: way he can extend that left arm, engage the defender
Speaker 1: and then run down the line before working to reattach.
Speaker 2: It is beautiful.
Speaker 1: Man. We're going to point back to that on some
Speaker 1: big runs this year. I almost guarantee it. You're gonna
Speaker 1: like the way you look. I guarantee it. And on
Speaker 1: top of that, the ability to pop a hip open
Speaker 1: and move at that size is so impressive. What I
Speaker 1: mean by that is you get a twist off the
Speaker 1: edge right where then edge slants inside and squeezes that
Speaker 1: guard and makes the tackle kind of squeeze in tight
Speaker 1: to the guard as well. And then here comes the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle looping around the edge. You have to then
Speaker 1: get with and depth and you know, drop step back
Speaker 1: with your left foot, open up that hip and move
Speaker 1: that direction quickly to match that move. And when he
Speaker 1: does that, it's not labored at all, and most guys
Speaker 1: his size Phil Loadholt are very labored in that movement.
Speaker 2: Here comes Cameron Wake around the outside, he gets around Shanko,
Speaker 2: he gets around Loadholt and he knocks that football loose
Speaker 2: before Britt started to throwing loosen. It kind of comes
Speaker 2: down to this for me.
Speaker 1: And look, these guys have the tape right, Butch has
Speaker 1: been through these reps a million times. Smith, McDaniel, all
Speaker 1: these guys have seen this and made determinations based off
Speaker 1: what they saw on those reps. And I think the
Speaker 1: two things that led to the most losses for him.
Speaker 1: Every player has losses right to me, are extremely correctable.
Speaker 1: They are the technique refining something he and the staff
Speaker 1: acknowledge is in an area of growth for him as a rookie,
Speaker 1: and he definitely had that in year one and then
Speaker 1: just sometimes not having the correct landmark or man to block.
Speaker 2: And this is a tough offense man.
Speaker 1: A lot of sign adjustments, different landmarks that change on
Speaker 1: the fly, and as a first year player is going
Speaker 1: to be seeing some of these concepts for the first time.
Speaker 1: The time and seasoning go a long way to shoring
Speaker 1: that up for a player. So if you're talking about
Speaker 1: developing a player, I'd much rather have those to overcome
Speaker 1: than is he strong enough, is he quick enough? Does
Speaker 1: he have an NFL traits? The answers to those questions
Speaker 1: with Pat are resounding yes. I cannot wait to see
Speaker 1: how this plays out for him. I'm fascinated by this
Speaker 1: entire experiment. I'm pretty confident he'll become a dude in
Speaker 1: this league. It might be in year three or four,
Speaker 1: and this might be like what you get from what
Speaker 1: you got from Austin and his like breakout year, and
Speaker 1: then it gets better and better from there. But it's
Speaker 1: gonna get there eventually. I just don't know if it
Speaker 1: happens right away. Game one might be a tall ask.
Speaker 1: Maybe by the playoffs he's rocking and rolling at some point.
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul is going to be a very good offensive
Speaker 1: tackle when that happens.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure. Last thing on him.
Speaker 1: If Daniels is the left guard, I think that move
Speaker 1: The move that gave him the most problems is the
Speaker 1: upfield rush cross face move. That's where the benefit of
Speaker 1: having a strong post can help any tackles. Maybe it
Speaker 1: is Patrick Paul, James Daniels, and Aaron Brewer for one
Speaker 1: of the better left sides, hopefully in the NFL.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go ahead and.
Speaker 1: Take a break, come back and do two more player
Speaker 1: prospects or prospect profiles. Nick e Man Worry and Derek Harmon.
Speaker 1: That's all next Draft Time Podcast, your host Travis Wingfield,
Speaker 1: brought to you by Autn'tation. Now I believe I said
Speaker 1: these were the final two prospect profiles we were going
Speaker 1: to do in this level of depth. I am going
Speaker 1: to get to a my guy's list later on probably
Speaker 1: next week, and run down, like my favorite players across
Speaker 1: the entire draft rounds one through seven.
Speaker 2: We'll do a mock draft as well. It's drafts.
Speaker 1: He's a man like, We're gonna be doing all this
Speaker 1: stuff for a couple of weeks here, and I should
Speaker 1: say we need to do one more deep dive on
Speaker 1: Will Johnson because I think cornerback is very much in
Speaker 1: play in that first round and he could be on
Speaker 1: the board there, so we should take a look at
Speaker 1: the Michigan cornerback. But I have two more guys that
Speaker 1: I think are spoiler targets in a trade situation, and
Speaker 1: I am very much intrigued by the idea of a
Speaker 1: trade down. We'll cover what that might look like as
Speaker 1: well on a future podcast. You get the mock draft,
Speaker 1: the my Guys segment, trade down options and partners and
Speaker 1: what that might look like, the two Kyle Krabs episodes.
Speaker 1: Plenty of fun stuff coming away here on the Draft
Speaker 1: Time podcast before April twenty fourth, when the Dolphins pick
Speaker 1: thirteenth as of now schedule to pick that spot come
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five night one of the draft. So
Speaker 1: we're talking about two more players. We'll do a player
Speaker 1: than a break than our last player, and we're talking
Speaker 1: about Nick e Man Worry here, the South Carolina safety
Speaker 1: number seven for the game Cocks. And the first thing
Speaker 1: that jumps off watching his tape is how he plays
Speaker 1: the run from depth. And if you go back to
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four team, we talked about all the
Speaker 1: issues of Dolphins had blocking off the edge, the run game,
Speaker 1: the negative runs on offense. I would say one of
Speaker 1: the biggest downfalls of the defense was the ability of
Speaker 1: the safeties to play the run from depth or just
Speaker 1: tackle in the middle of the field in general. And
Speaker 1: if you want to get that part of your football team,
Speaker 1: better you draft this guy. I learned a lot on
Speaker 1: this rewatch of Eman Worry and this deep dive, because
Speaker 1: the first thing that stands out is the first thing
Speaker 1: that I watch from safeties, how do they approach piles
Speaker 1: that are forming but haven't yet been ruled down. They're
Speaker 1: kind of stood up in a standstill. You get the
Speaker 1: I guess the original version of the toush push where
Speaker 1: guys try to push from the backside the defense tries
Speaker 1: to pull it down from the front side. But how
Speaker 1: does the defender approach a pile like that? Do they
Speaker 1: come in and patty cake it and just touch the
Speaker 1: back of it and say, okay, we're good here, or
Speaker 1: do they run through it trying to be a Miley
Speaker 1: Cyrus And Eman Worry is the latter. In fact, his
Speaker 1: dad might be Billy Ray Cyrus. In fact, everything about
Speaker 1: how he plays the run or just comes downhill from
Speaker 1: depth in general is fantastic. So the way a lot
Speaker 1: of modern defense is played is those two high pre
Speaker 1: snap presentations where you have two players, you know, ten
Speaker 1: to fifteen, sometimes twenty yards off the football, and then
Speaker 1: one of those safeties has converted check. Sometimes it's defined,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's making a read like if he has a
Speaker 1: tight end or running back to his side of the formation,
Speaker 1: to his responsibility and they stay in to block, he
Speaker 1: can then convert to a robber who can crash on
Speaker 1: drag routes, over routes and just kind of hang out
Speaker 1: in zones and kind of pluck the football the quarterback's
Speaker 1: eyes from those positions and in those different zone packages.
Speaker 1: Watching I Man Worry, you see tons of that, and
Speaker 1: we ran a lot of that in the first year
Speaker 1: under Anthony Weaver. He almost always aligns to the short
Speaker 1: side of the field, the boundary, right boundary, field boundaries,
Speaker 1: the short hash mark the field is the wide side
Speaker 1: of the field, and would fly up on run plays.
Speaker 2: But here's the kicker.
Speaker 1: He has the length and the change of direction and
Speaker 1: the straight line speed to then get back into the
Speaker 1: hook zone and impact your passing lanes. In coverage, his
Speaker 1: depth of range is just better than most guys because
Speaker 1: he's built like a linebacker but runs like a cornerback.
Speaker 1: So that, paired with how he hits and how he
Speaker 1: makes you feel his presence, are very, very intriguing. It's
Speaker 1: a great option to have ten yards down the field
Speaker 1: when the offense blocks one up perfectly and springs their
Speaker 1: back for a one on one chance against your safety.
Speaker 1: Because he does not lose many of those reps, and
Speaker 1: again we lost tons of those reps last year, both
Speaker 1: against receivers and running backs alike. There are reps all
Speaker 1: over his tape where he looks like a scrape linebacker
Speaker 1: where he comes down behind a block, reads it, shoots
Speaker 1: the gap, and makes the play in tight quarters through
Speaker 1: the trash. He honestly, again is a linebacker in some
Speaker 1: respects with just freaky, freaky athletic traits a lot of
Speaker 1: what he does inside the ten yard box, but then
Speaker 1: can outrun your best athlete one hundred yards down the
Speaker 1: field like if if it all clicks for him, He's
Speaker 1: exactly what you want in an NFL player in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, his coverage and middle slash intermediate field impact.
Speaker 1: He didn't walk up into the press into press or
Speaker 1: even have a lot of man opportunities, but when he
Speaker 1: did that, the player was pretty much an afterthought in
Speaker 1: the passing progression because like, well, it's usually a lumbering
Speaker 1: tight end and I'm not throwing at that matchup either
Speaker 1: from the quarterback, Like I'm not going to take a
Speaker 1: five to one tight end against a four to four
Speaker 1: safety who's bigger than him. So it's just it's a
Speaker 1: good thing, right, But I wanted to see him tested
Speaker 1: more than he was in those spots. There is a
Speaker 1: rep in the game versus Clemson where they jam two
Speaker 1: wideouts into the boundary and the college boundary is such
Speaker 1: a small plot of real estate, right because the hash
Speaker 1: marks are wider, But they wind up peeling a cornerback
Speaker 1: back and both players have a deep quarter of the
Speaker 1: field in the short area of the field, and the
Speaker 1: receiver fakes a crosser and Eman Worry is able to
Speaker 1: drive on it and take it away. But it's actually
Speaker 1: a double move, so he takes away the first potential throw,
Speaker 1: which wasn't going to be a throw, but for him,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know that because he's a defensive player. And
Speaker 1: then he can flip the hips and run back vertical
Speaker 1: down the field and matches this this double move takeoff route.
Speaker 1: But that's rare athletic traits you saw him measure with
Speaker 1: his testing this season as well, fluid hips, great straight
Speaker 1: line speed. I mean the ras the relative Athletic scorecard.
Speaker 1: His lowest percent tile finish was ninety fifth percent tile
Speaker 1: and that he was in weight. So he moves at
Speaker 1: ninety ninth percentile in vert and broad and forty time
Speaker 1: and ninety fifth in weight, ninety eighth in height. That is,
Speaker 1: he's a different player. But they'd align him to the
Speaker 1: short side of the field and let him rob crossing routes,
Speaker 1: step downhill on quarterback runs as a quasi spy in
Speaker 1: that second level. I think if you drafted him, he
Speaker 1: and Ifi can do a lot of the same things.
Speaker 1: But I think there would be an ability to have
Speaker 1: both them on the field and make them interchangeable the
Speaker 1: way that Poyer and Hyde were in Buffalo for so long,
Speaker 1: because both guys could play in the post. I think
Speaker 1: he can play as a twenty yards off the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, center field safety. I think when you have
Speaker 1: one of these players, you don't play them in the
Speaker 1: post because you want their skill sets closer to the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. But if you have two of them,
Speaker 1: then you can get really creative. Remember if he was
Speaker 1: the same in terms of his athletic ability coming out
Speaker 1: of college. So I think it would be short sided
Speaker 1: to say that neither could play in the post.
Speaker 2: I think both of them can do it all.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm getting into some of the coverage reps,
Speaker 1: and his length and press ability is there on the tape,
Speaker 1: especially if we're talking about backs, tight ends and slot specialists.
Speaker 1: Like you're not gonna line up Brax and Barrios against
Speaker 1: him and win.
Speaker 2: You're just not gonna do it.
Speaker 1: But you're not also not gonna ask him to do
Speaker 1: what Jialen Ramsey does and go cover Garrett Wilson on
Speaker 1: one side of the field. But if you've got nicky
Speaker 1: man worry, you can go say, hey, Cole Beasley, you're
Speaker 1: Donezo xavier 'streppo. You're Dounzo in the spot, Like you
Speaker 1: can match up on those guys with this player because
Speaker 1: he is faster and stronger than them. Like this rap
Speaker 1: against Texas A and M where he comes down into
Speaker 1: the slot with the motion so they motioned the player
Speaker 1: over and he follows him to go cover from a
Speaker 1: rotation standpoint, he beats the whip route to the perimeter
Speaker 1: and like cuts down the potential like throat to the flat,
Speaker 1: and then when that receiver puts a foot in the
Speaker 1: ground and changes direction back inside on the little whip route,
Speaker 1: jerk route, whatever you call it, he turns back underside
Speaker 1: the underside of it and undercuts it and gets a
Speaker 1: pass breakup. So I think the coverage skills are there
Speaker 1: as well, but the zone aspect of his game to me,
Speaker 1: is the best part of his game. Like the game
Speaker 1: changing play against Clemson to win the game last year.
Speaker 1: They run this deep over route from the strength of
Speaker 1: the formation and he picks it up and runs into
Speaker 1: the back of the end zone. To me, it looked
Speaker 1: like the primary throw for the quarterback, but he takes
Speaker 1: it away. They wind up with a pick and a
Speaker 1: big win over their N State rivals. I think a
Speaker 1: trade down for nick Eman worry is one of my
Speaker 1: favorite potential outcomes from this year's class. We'll cover what
Speaker 1: some of those might look like on an episode later
Speaker 1: this week or next week, but in the meantime, let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and take our last break come back and
Speaker 1: talk about another big player in the trenches. Derek Harmon,
Speaker 1: the Organ defensive tackle, will break down his game next
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Speaker 1: penultimate prospect profile takes us to the Pacific Northwest Eugene,
Speaker 1: organ to watch Derek Harmon, number fifty five, the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle for the Ducks. Off the top, one of the
Speaker 1: most productive players at any position in all of college
Speaker 1: football last year. Five sacks, eleven TFLs. He batted down
Speaker 1: four passes, he forced and recovered two fumbles. He had
Speaker 1: fifty five quarterback pressures eighteen total QB hits. Oregon list
Speaker 1: him at six five three point thirty, but his combine
Speaker 1: measurement was six four and a half three point thirteen.
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see what he weighs in for football,
Speaker 1: because we often know that a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: like to drop weight for the track testing. But I
Speaker 1: think he can be a three hundred and twenty five
Speaker 1: pound like nose tackle who can play it all the
Speaker 1: way out to the five technique. He ran a blazing
Speaker 1: four nine to five, good for eighty eighth percent tile
Speaker 1: among defensive tackles, and at those sizes, that's ninetieth and
Speaker 1: eighty second percent tile in height and weight. If you
Speaker 1: bump him back up to three hundred and thirty pounds,
Speaker 1: we're talking about ninety eight percent tile and weight. So
Speaker 1: a really good athlete mover. He's a first round pick
Speaker 1: all day long. As far as the tape and the
Speaker 1: alignment and usage. I'm three reps into his tape and
Speaker 1: it went like this two technique thwart a double team
Speaker 1: and be part of the tackle. In the running game
Speaker 1: against Ashton. Gent by the way, gent five technique, throw
Speaker 1: the tight end over to Corvallis on the opposite side
Speaker 1: of the state, make the play at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Then a three technique beat the guard upfield on a
Speaker 1: one gap slant rush and string the running back out
Speaker 1: for a loss. Once again, it was gent.
Speaker 2: He could.
Speaker 1: He continued to rotate across the formation. You play the
Speaker 1: nose tackle, play the four head up over an offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: He can play every position from the zero right over
Speaker 1: the center, all the way out to the five technique
Speaker 1: outside the right tackle left tackle combination. There his length,
Speaker 1: power and get off combination, all those stuff, the first
Speaker 1: step quickness, the way he impacts guys with his length
Speaker 1: and power. Maybe I'm not paying close enough attention, but
Speaker 1: this guy is the one who belongs in the confident conversation.
Speaker 1: To me, with Grant, with Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm not seeing a ton of
Speaker 1: that out there in the draft landscape. This might be
Speaker 1: the best block deconstruction defensive tackle in the entire draft. Gosh,
Speaker 1: it looks similar to how Zach Steeler plays in the
Speaker 1: sense that from a four point stance, fire out of
Speaker 1: your stands, shock the man and really translay all that
Speaker 1: weight from your feet all the way up through your
Speaker 1: shoulders and push him back that way, control him with
Speaker 1: a two arm stab stack peak the flow of the play,
Speaker 1: push pull, disengage that blocker, and then run the ball
Speaker 1: carrier down. Very easy to see why he led all
Speaker 1: college defensive linemen and TFLs at three hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 1: This makes you think that you can utilize him as
Speaker 1: a nose tackle when needed. He didn't do much of
Speaker 1: it at Oregon, but he has the makeup and technique
Speaker 1: to do it. Man, there are so many reps where
Speaker 1: he's doing the Darth Vader choke where like obviously not telepathic,
Speaker 1: like he actually connects with the guy, but where he
Speaker 1: locks him out with one arm, holds off the frame
Speaker 1: and then tosses him aside pure power from this guy,
Speaker 1: and he can move while he's doing that, kind of
Speaker 1: like we talked about with how Patrick Paul does on
Speaker 1: the offensive side. What's crazy is he actually has a
Speaker 1: ton of missed tackles. Now, when a defensive tackle blows
Speaker 1: through the line of scrimmage and has a running back
Speaker 1: in space three yards behind the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: he misses, and then his teammates rally and make the TfL.
Speaker 1: I still think it's a tremendous play that you give
Speaker 1: the most credit to the guy that broke through originally,
Speaker 1: and that happens a few times for this guy, but
Speaker 1: it just speaks to how gaudy his numbers could have been.
Speaker 1: This dude is reaching the par five greens on two
Speaker 1: shots every single time he plays a par five, and
Speaker 1: he's just not always converting the birdy putt. He misses
Speaker 1: his putts, his tackles in the backfield, his pass rush.
Speaker 1: While he can't play the five technique, there's not enough
Speaker 1: juice there to be an eye actual impact edge rusher,
Speaker 1: Like I'd rather have him slant across face and try
Speaker 1: to go after a guard inside or be part of
Speaker 1: games and stunts off the edge. He's just not gonna
Speaker 1: beat guys with bend and arc around the corner. But
Speaker 1: he's three hundred and thirty pounds he shouldn't be expected
Speaker 1: to do that. So when he can rush the guard
Speaker 1: and use his length more so than a pass rush
Speaker 1: like Arsenal with bend off the edge, that suits his
Speaker 1: skill sets. But damn it if the value of having
Speaker 1: him play base edge and then kicking inside is a
Speaker 1: rusher on top of all the base down stuff he
Speaker 1: can do inside two, I think you can load up
Speaker 1: his plate with snaps and responsibilities from year one. The
Speaker 1: best of all, he's a monster when it comes to
Speaker 1: setting picks and running games, which is what this defense
Speaker 1: does so well, and you have to always evaluate that
Speaker 1: when watching players for this defense.
Speaker 2: We run as much games as anybody in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And that first step quickness, with that power and size,
Speaker 1: that's what makes Zach Sealer so great. It's a lot
Speaker 1: like him in terms of how it impacts your interior pieces,
Speaker 1: and that's before we get to the communication aspect of
Speaker 1: how that pairs with Brooks and Gay and Iffy and
Speaker 1: on and on and on. Gosh, his pad level and
Speaker 1: his leg drive are so damn good. He's powerful, powerful, powerful,
Speaker 1: technically sound and everything he does the hands too. He
Speaker 1: can really use the hands to rip through tight seams,
Speaker 1: to reset the offensive line, to shed, to do all
Speaker 1: of it. The conversation to me between he and Kenneth
Speaker 1: Grant is an interesting one. I just think the mistackle
Speaker 1: thing that keeps showing up is probably what knocks him
Speaker 1: down a peg from those top two guys. He just
Speaker 1: doesn't always finish for whatever reason, and that and not
Speaker 1: a true pass rush skill are kind of my knocks
Speaker 1: on him. But I don't think you're drafting him for
Speaker 1: that second part. We do have to finish tackles better
Speaker 1: than he does, and so with one player left to watch,
Speaker 1: Will Johnson, I'll see where I stack him after this,
Speaker 1: but I want to watch him more in depth before
Speaker 1: I give an evaluation. My board as of today for
Speaker 1: pick thirteen would be Tyler, and this is among guys
Speaker 1: that have a chance to get there. I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about Abdull Carter, Travis Hunter would be Tyler, Warren Jaday Baron,
Speaker 1: which is a change from my last update. I had
Speaker 1: Grant over him, then Kenneth Grant. Then I have a
Speaker 1: line and this is my trade back potential options. Nicky
Speaker 1: man worry is first, then Malachi Starks think Eman Warrior's
Speaker 1: upside is higher, which makes more sense for the first
Speaker 1: round to me, and then Derek Harmon brings up the rear.
Speaker 1: But I like all these players, and I think Will
Speaker 1: Johnson probably finds himself either on the plus side of
Speaker 1: that trade back idea or just on the first part
Speaker 1: of the underside. We shall see when I watch that tape.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for my time here on
Speaker 1: this edition of the Draft Time Podcast Friday. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure exactly what the show is going to look like.
Speaker 1: I have like twelve segments planned for you guys, I
Speaker 1: just have to organize them. But mock draft coming up.
Speaker 1: My guys will break down some film on the thirty visits.
Speaker 1: We'll do a deep dive in the safety position, talk
Speaker 1: about some trade down scenarios. All of that coming away
Speaker 1: here on the podcast in the coming episodes. Until then,
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