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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and Bucky with you.

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Speaker 2: No Reht today, he's got like a power issue, Buck.

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Speaker 2: I guess they said it's like they got to cut

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Speaker 2: the power because of fire issues. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I believe it, but anyways, we wish Rhet all the best.

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Speaker 1: So no, yeah, I'm good, no PBu. But like I

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Speaker 1: was going to share this Rett, So I was watching.

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Speaker 1: I was in Pittsburgh for the Jazz game against the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I'm at the bar, I'm watching Penn State in Indiana

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Speaker 1: and lor and behold, it turned.

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Speaker 2: Out to be like a close game fight, yeah, going back.

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Speaker 1: And forth, and so I was looking forward to hearing

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Speaker 1: Pbu's thoughts on how his team just came up short

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Speaker 1: because they look they were in the game the entire game.

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Speaker 1: It was back and forth a fair It was a

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Speaker 1: really good game, but it was kind of funny watching

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Speaker 1: it in a very Penn State heavy environ.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I can imagine, absolutely, you were at a big game.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get to that one second here, but

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Speaker 2: we're gonna lead off not with the game. I would

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Speaker 2: because that was kind of a clunker with the charters

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Speaker 2: and the Bears. Bot To me, I thought the story

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Speaker 2: of the day, the game of the day was the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals what they did to the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 2: And if you recall a few weeks ago, I remember

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Speaker 2: we said, man, if the Bengals can get the five

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Speaker 2: hundred and get to the buy, I know, yeah, I know,

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Speaker 2: you can look at this schedule like, I don't know, Man,

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Speaker 2: they come out, they got the Niners and the Bills,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, hold on, now, if they can just

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Speaker 2: get the five hundred and then you get Burrow rested

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Speaker 2: and healthy and you bring him back, there's no team

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Speaker 2: that they're scared of, like when they're when he's healthy,

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Speaker 2: When that dude's healthy, Like what did he say? The

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Speaker 1: Like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was that was quintessential Joe Burrow right there.

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Speaker 2: He carved them up like a Thanksgiving turkey and that's

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Speaker 2: a good defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He not only carved them up, and he ran

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Speaker 1: down conversion with his legs. You talk about a team

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Speaker 1: that fees off the swag off their quarterback. This is

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Speaker 1: a team that fees off of all that competitive energy

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Speaker 1: that he brings. And for the Bengals, man, there's something

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Speaker 1: about DJ when you have that Championshi leveled experience. Even

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Speaker 1: though they came up short in the Super Bowl, but

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Speaker 1: they played playoff games, they played meaningful games, they knocked

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Speaker 1: off top teams. They're not worried about the Niners and

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Speaker 1: all that other stuff, and they played with it like

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Speaker 2: They're really good at linebacker. Hendrickson is playing elite, elite

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Speaker 2: level coming off the edge. Here's my question. I was

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Speaker 2: Because Joe, Joe's gonna run more than Tua. You saw

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Speaker 1: They can do a lot of things in DJ you

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Speaker 1: But they still have the power running game if they

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Speaker 1: But to me, their secret sauce in winning is their defense.

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Speaker 1: As much as they can do offensively, the multiplicity of

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Speaker 2: And they got the Bills next, So that'll be a

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Speaker 2: big one, A big, big matchup between the Bengals and

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Speaker 1: And for the first time, I can see it impacting

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Bill just put it in the chat.

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Speaker 2: There are three touchdowns, five picks in the last three games.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to have a smooth ride all the

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Speaker 2: he'll get going he'll bounce back, and that's a really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think all quarterbacks have to go through this,

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Speaker 1: Like when the film starts circulating around the league and

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Speaker 1: As a starter for the Niners, how he bounces back

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, the front, the front seven, the front seven looks

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Speaker 1: then what you're saying is really what he was, how

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Speaker 1: he's utilized at TCU. They utilized him coming across the

431
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Speaker 1: field horizontally on those short crosses, and he's gone. They

432
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Speaker 1: have to figure out within their offensive way to really

433
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Speaker 1: unlock him. I think that's the hardest thing about the

434
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Speaker 1: play call. It is not only do you have this

435
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Speaker 1: secret the series of plays that you like, but you

436
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Speaker 1: have to kind of tailor it to some of the

437
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Speaker 1: personnel that you have, and you have to be able

438
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Speaker 1: to put them in the right spots to run the

439
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,200
Speaker 1: routes that are best for them while also staying within

440
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Speaker 1: the framework of what you want to do offensively.

441
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll say this that Bears team is not talented.

442
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean they are ten players away from being ten

443
00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 2: players away. I mean they have a lot. They have

444
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 2: not a lot going on there. They're not good on

445
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 2: the offensive line, they're not good on the defensive line.

446
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 2: DJ Moore's a stud like he's that that's their guy.

447
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,919
Speaker 2: But I mean, this is not a quarterback away. You know,

448
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 2: obviously they're going to be in a position more than

449
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Speaker 2: likely with their pick as well as owning the Panthers pick,

450
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 2: they're going to have a chance to, you know, to

451
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Speaker 2: go in that direction if they want to move on

452
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Speaker 2: from Justin Fieldsman, man, they got they got a major

453
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Speaker 2: work to do on this roster.

454
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Speaker 1: And I know we're up against a bit, but quickly,

455
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Speaker 1: is there anything This is me asking you without even

456
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Speaker 1: knowing what the draft class looks like yet, Yeah, you

457
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Speaker 1: talk about them not being a quarterback away? Is there

458
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Speaker 1: any way that you could use those two picks on

459
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Speaker 1: something that's a market position that's not a quarterback? Can

460
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Speaker 1: you use it on the front?

461
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Speaker 2: And I think I think one of them have I

462
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Speaker 2: think you're going to have to commit. You have to

463
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 2: commit to a quarterback, and I think you're going to

464
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: have to take one of them. My thing everybody talks about, oh,

465
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 2: the perfect draft for them is they're going to get

466
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Speaker 2: the quarterback and then Marvin Harrison or you know, the quarterback,

467
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 2: and then Fashanu. I'm like, no, no, no, it's the quarterback

468
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 2: and then trade whatever that other pick is. You got

469
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Speaker 2: to amass a bunch of picks. That's got to be

470
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Speaker 2: a lottery ticket. Hopefully you have two top five picks.

471
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Speaker 2: The first one you get the quarterback, the second one

472
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Speaker 2: you auction that thing off to the highest bidder. You

473
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Speaker 2: need a lot of help.

474
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Speaker 1: Okay, we need, we need a Thanksgiving Day trade. Yes,

475
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Speaker 1: we need. We need a turkey to become turkey sandwiches.

476
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Speaker 1: Do we need to get turkey? Stu? We need to

477
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 1: just we need we just need to keep chopping it

478
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Speaker 1: up so it becomes a five day meal as opposed

479
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Speaker 1: to just a holiday meal.

480
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get one more game in before we

481
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Speaker 2: take a quick break. Titans Falcons. How about Will Levis

482
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 2: man nineteen to twenty nine, two thirty eight, four touchdowns. Uh,

483
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 2: I mean he was three of the four touchdowns over

484
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Speaker 2: thirty yards. They were home run balls. And I do

485
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 2: want to give us a little bit of credit here

486
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: because I believe it was last week where we lobbied

487
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 2: and said, just let Will Levis play, Like, let's let's

488
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 2: go just put him out there and let's see what happens.

489
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: We know what Tannehill is. I thought it was with

490
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: a little bit that we had had a chance to

491
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Speaker 2: see with Malik. I thought, Okay, Malik's that's that's further away.

492
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Speaker 2: Will Levis has experience, He's played an NFL offense. He

493
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Speaker 2: arrived kind of ready to go. Get him out there

494
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Speaker 2: and see what you have. Man, this is a great lesson.

495
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Speaker 1: And here's I want to make sure everyone hears me,

496
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Speaker 1: because it's not about issuing an apology to Will Levis.

497
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Speaker 1: I think sometimes what happens DJ when we do so

498
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: many different shows, whether it's podcast or TV shows where

499
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Speaker 1: we're talking about Will Levis and we're talking about the draft,

500
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Speaker 1: and we're talking about who should be in the top

501
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: ten pick and those things, sometimes opinions can make it

502
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Speaker 1: where you hate the player. Not I never necessarily hated

503
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Speaker 1: Will Loves. I think what it was is you're trying to.

504
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Speaker 2: Forget anybody first of all, ever, no, but.

505
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Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out fit in the scheme is

506
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: the most important thing for most players, but particularly quarterbacks.

507
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: And I can say this now, particularly after seeing how

508
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans use them. It's the perfect fit for

509
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 1: their scheme. By putting Will Levis in a run heavy

510
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: scheme with King Henry behind him. You now have allowed

511
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: him to use play action, to use RPOs, to use

512
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: things that are in his wheelhouse as opposed to a

513
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Speaker 1: will We will have you drop back thirty five times

514
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Speaker 1: and do traditional concept reading and those things you saw

515
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Speaker 1: how it works, those explosive plays being able to come

516
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Speaker 1: in a run heavy offense. I mean we see DeAndre

517
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Speaker 1: Hopkins utilized and featured in an offense. Well, yeah, that's

518
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Speaker 1: what you want to see. That's why you get a

519
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: veteran receiver. Will Levis played really well. And here's the thing.

520
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: He left a lot of money on the table. I mean,

521
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: like when he learns to utilize to check down and

522
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Speaker 1: some of the other things that are available within the concept,

523
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: he can become a more efficient player, and his efficiency

524
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Speaker 1: will make this offense more effective. But hats off to him,

525
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Speaker 1: and I'll say this from a personal standpoint watching him

526
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Speaker 1: after the game celebrate with his family. A lot of

527
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: times I tell people, like when we're talking about draft picks,

528
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a soap opera, but with real

529
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Speaker 1: life characters. I love seeing the joy that he had

530
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: and he talked about a dream come true. Man, everybody

531
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Speaker 1: wishes for that kind of moment for their kid to

532
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: like realize whatever their dream is, to see it come

533
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Speaker 1: to fruition. So hass off to him for being able

534
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Speaker 1: to live it out in front of his family doing

535
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Speaker 1: his regular season debut for the Sennessee Titans. Yeah.

536
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Speaker 2: And I didn't, you know, I didn't see the game.

537
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 2: Just watched some of the clips and watch some cutups.

538
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: But and I did see in the press clippings afterwards

539
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: that I guess they had. They must have booed Milik

540
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: Willis when he came on the field, and he addressed

541
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Speaker 2: it without being asked about it. He addressed it after

542
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: the game and said, hey, that's loved that.

543
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Speaker 1: I loved that.

544
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Speaker 2: It was a good sign. Yeah, I loved it because

545
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: first guy.

546
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Speaker 1: The leadership stuff, and see that's also a big part

547
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: of the position, huge part of the position, the in tangent.

548
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 1: I loved everything about that. Man, if you're the Tennessee Tes,

549
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: you gotta be excited. The trick will be how does

550
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: he look next week? They o the people who have

551
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: seen him play, how does he keep adjusting to what

552
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: people do to adjust to him? But man, nice star

553
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: for him.

554
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean buck, I went back and look at him.

555
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: My twelfth player in that draft. So I mean he

556
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: slips the second round, he got unfairly punished, you know,

557
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: going through that process of my opinion. And and look,

558
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: I know we saw the video of him in the

559
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: draft and how upset he looked. But man, we've seen

560
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: so many guys channel that and use that. And this

561
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: is the thing where man, given the choice, I sure

562
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: as heck would rather be the top couple of picks

563
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 2: of the second round than to be one of the

564
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Speaker 2: bottom picks of the first round. He's going to get

565
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: a year earlier to his next contract. And if he plays,

566
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Speaker 2: if this is one game, if this is what we're

567
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: in for, man, he's going to be thinking his lucky

568
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,239
Speaker 2: stars that he fell to the second round because he's

569
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Speaker 2: gonna get a heck of a lot more money, a

570
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Speaker 2: heck of a lot faster.

571
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Speaker 1: And not only that, he went to a good team.

572
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Speaker 1: He went to a pretty good.

573
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Speaker 2: Team, like a good organization, a good organization with a

574
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Speaker 2: good coach.

575
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Speaker 1: And yeah, to infrastrate the organization, Ran Carthon, being their

576
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: general manager, did make sure that he's protected and he's right.

577
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: It's really good to see. And also hass off to

578
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel. Mike Robot didn't get the sense that mcleigh

579
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: Willis was going to be the guy. So a year

580
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: after taking a quarterback in the third round, they go

581
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Speaker 1: back and take one in the second round. YEP, looks

582
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: like Mike Mike Rabel might have been right with his

583
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: hunches and suspicions.

584
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: Uh, take on the Falcons. We thought this was coming

585
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: for the last few weeks. Desmond Ritter ends up getting benched.

586
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,360
Speaker 2: Heinike comes in there, he goes twelve to twenty one,

587
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five yards on a touchdown. But

588
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: at least he kind of run around makes some things

589
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 2: happen back there.

590
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so desmiond Ritter gets deemed up a little bit,

591
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: gets a little concussion protocol, But it might have he

592
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: mainly given Arthur Smith an opportunity to put the other

593
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: guy in there without having to formally bench Desmond Ritter.

594
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: So we'll see what it looks like. But yeah, like Heinick.

595
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 2: I didn't even know about the concussion, so I hadn't

596
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: seen that. So that was news to me because I

597
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: just was paying attention to the game. I yes side

598
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: and saw the get out.

599
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got banged up with what every but hey, DJ,

600
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where we've seen it, like

601
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: sometimes we've all been on the teams and so a

602
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: guy gets banged up. You ready to go back into

603
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: the coach the Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, oh,

604
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. Yeah right, yeah, real quick.

605
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: And so it might have been that situation. Uh Man,

606
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: the Falcons and you're author Smith. It has to be frustrating, because, man,

607
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: this is a division that.

608
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: Is there for the right, there for him.

609
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: Man, you can take you can take the division if

610
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: you just get efficient and consistent play from that position.

611
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: We'll see how this plays out. But it did open

612
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: the door for Tyla Hannick. You did maybe take over

613
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: at QB.

614
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 2: One row, no doubt. All right, we're gonna take a

615
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: quick break. We'll come back. We'll knock out some more games.

616
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: Rare for this, all right, buck.

617
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: A battle of the two the top two quarterbacks in

618
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: the drafted Bryce Young against CJ. Stroud. It was not

619
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: a pretty offensive game. It's a fifteen to thirteen win

620
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: for the Panthers. They get their first win of the year.

621
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: Bryce twenty two to thirty one, five on a touchdown.

622
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: This is a team that wasn't able really to run

623
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 2: the ball much in this game. They had forty four

624
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 2: rushing yards, so there wasn't a lot other than Bryce

625
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 2: and I think what we've said, hey, be patient with him.

626
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: There's nothing around him. He's getting better every single week.

627
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: And they finally find their way to the winner circle.

628
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: They get a game winning field goal as time expired.

629
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: Adam Thielen is kind of you know, that's been his guy.

630
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: Adam thlan has been somebody that he trusts, and he

631
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: has eight grabs in this game.

632
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: C J. Stroud.

633
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: I mean, there wasn't a lot of offense to go

634
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: around one hundred and forty yards. They just couldn't really

635
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 2: get anything going. I mean their defensive front beat up Bryce.

636
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: He had six sacks in that game. But you know, look,

637
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 2: I the takeaways to me, there aren't great takeaways from

638
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: this game. I think both these teams are in their

639
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: kind of infancy of where they're going to be and

640
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: what they're going to do. I think the biggest takeaway

641
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: from me is that Bryce Young has has shown to

642
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: be tough, somebody who always played on the best team,

643
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: you know, going back to high school and then at Alabama,

644
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: he always had superior players. You don't know how those

645
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: guys are going to do when they don't have anything

646
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: else around him. And I'll tell you this, he's getting

647
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: better and he's competing and he's fighting, which is good

648
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: to see.

649
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fighting. So he has the right stuff when

650
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: it comes to the makeup, and everyone who knows him

651
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: has been around him since, is that he was made

652
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: of the right stuff. The way he carries himself, the

653
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: way he cared himself at Alabama and before that, the

654
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: way he cared himself in modern day high school. Our

655
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: way what you like about this? Thomas Brown takes over

656
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: as a play caller, and it was pretty clear that

657
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: he was going to make it about the players. And

658
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: it's funny you pointed out Adam Thielen being his guy DJ.

659
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: One of the reasons why we've talked about this on

660
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: the podcast, when you have a young quarterback, I want

661
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: to pay him with a veteran receiver. You've always said

662
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: that because one of the things that happens with young

663
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: quarterbacks is they're being asked to throw the ball to

664
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: the spots before people get open, and they've never really

665
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: done that in their life. They've never just thrown it

666
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: and say oh, I'm a trust it. Well, when you

667
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: have veteran receivers, they're going to get to the spot.

668
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna be consistent, reliable, dependable when it comes to hey, man,

669
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: you can throw it in here, I'm gonna be there.

670
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: We saw Josh Allen game improved with Stefan Diggs. We've

671
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: seen others improve. We saw Dak Prescott have success when

672
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper came over. There is something about that old

673
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: veteran receiver that allows a young quarterback to mature. We

674
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: saw Adam Thielen really really helped Brice Young have a

675
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: lot of success. Uh this weekend, I'll.

676
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: Use an analogy that'll that'll show our age, Buck is

677
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: that it's like when we were growing up, there was

678
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: not you know, you didn't really have the cell phones.

679
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: You didn't have there was no not even map Quest

680
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: at that point in time. So when you remember when

681
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: you got your license and it was like like for

682
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: me growing up out here in San Diego, it's like, hey,

683
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: we're gonna go to the beach. You get your four friends,

684
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: you pile on the car, like all right, who's been

685
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: who knows.

686
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: How to go?

687
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: Who knows how to get knows how to get us there,

688
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 2: like nobody, like you got to have one person in

689
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: the car that has been to where we're going or

690
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: else where. You know, I don't know, it's the roups.

691
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: I think you take a left to get I think that, yeah,

692
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: off the and then yeah. So in other words, Adam

693
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: Thielen's been to the beach, so he can kind of

694
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: guide him where he needs to go to.

695
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it helps, It helps, and that old Savay receiver

696
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: can kind of nurture the young quarterback good Win. Great.

697
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: Great job for Thomas Brown, I would say even a

698
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: better move for Frank Wright showing enough humility to hand

699
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: the play sheet over to somebody else. Hey, you know

700
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: the quarterback, you run a quarterback. I'll do a better

701
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: job of managing the team. And it helped this team

702
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: get their first one.

703
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: All right, biggest surprise of the week Broncos. They beat

704
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: the Chiefs twenty four to nine.

705
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: Mark so many surprises in this game. One you couldn't

706
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: have told me that a team a defense that had

707
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: seventy hug up on them with then be able to

708
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: hold a kin see the Chiefs single digits, Like never

709
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: would imagine that. I never would have thought that Pat

710
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: Mahons would have had struggles against this Broncos defense where

711
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: he turns the ball over a couple of times through

712
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: the air, never gets this offense going. And then I

713
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: went defensively, they played well enough to be able to

714
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: get it done. I mean there were no numbers on

715
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: the Broncos side that suggested, oh, they were able to dominate.

716
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: We saw Russell Wilson make a handful of plays, but

717
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: nothing like that. This can't see the Chiefs offense. What

718
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: we've talked about is a they're playing complimentary ball. It's

719
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: a little different. This is the first time though that

720
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: it caught up with them. They don't have the explosive element,

721
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: and DJ in this league is so hard to win

722
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: without explosive plays.

723
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, they and you know Kelsey has fifty eight yards.

724
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: You don't let you don't get hit with the right hand,

725
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: as we say every week, don't get hit with the

726
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: right hand. They didn't get hit with the right hand.

727
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: The left hand couldn't do anything to them. So I

728
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: mean that's going to be the challenge. That's why, you know,

729
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm curious to see kind of how this Chiefs team

730
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 2: kind of figures it out. Andy's so smart, Mahomes is

731
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: so good. The defense is you know, is still it's

732
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: a really good defense. They're going to kind of figure

733
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: their way out to the winner circle. I think they're

734
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: a team in my opinion. I think they're still built

735
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: to pile up a bunch of wins in the regular season.

736
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: My question is when you get into the postseason and

737
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: then at that point in time you're going to see

738
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: the Cincinnatis, You're going to see the Buffalos. You know,

739
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: you're gonna see the Miamis. Are they going to have

740
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: enough like are they gonna have enough firepower for those teams?

741
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: You know, that's my that's my one concern there with

742
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: the Chiefs.

743
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: That is a huge concern. And it'd be the first

744
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: time to Steve Spegnulo for the Chiefs. His unit would

745
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: be counted on the cantle. They got to count and

746
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: so he has always been able to play real aggressive,

747
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: opportunistic defense where it doesn't matter we give up a couple,

748
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: we're playing for the big play. It changes now when

749
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: you have an offense that's not as explosive because now

750
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: you've got to get stops, you have to get three

751
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: and outs. It's a completely different shift. They've been good

752
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: enough to this point, but can they be a team

753
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: that finishes defensively out of holding teams in nineteen points

754
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: of fewer because your offense can only generate twenty three

755
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: twenty four points each week. That is something that has

756
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: never been the culture in Kansas City in the Andy

757
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: Reid era. This would be him being way outside of

758
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: his comfort zone if they have to go win games

759
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 1: like this.

760
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the numbers weren't, you know, sexy for Russell Wilson,

761
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: but he did enough twelve to nineteen hundred and fourteen

762
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: yards and then obviously the three touchdowns were huge. And

763
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: then you look on the defensive side of the ball,

764
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: Baron Browning, who's always in our and when we're talking

765
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: about get off numbers, he's always up there amongst the leaders.

766
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: He's got excellent quickness and burst. You know, somebody who's

767
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: played off the ball can also rush off the edge.

768
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: Was pretty a versatile guy coming out of college and

769
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: he's really developed into a good player. So two sacks

770
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: and a force fumble for him. A great win for

771
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: the Broncos over the Chiefs out there in Denver. All right,

772
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: next game, this was one that was ugly but yet beautiful.

773
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: It was the Jets and the Giants in a driving rainstorm.

774
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: It is a game that the Jets had no business

775
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: winning with where the game was at the end. They

776
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: end up winning thirteen to ten, and it was a

777
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: struggle all day long for offense for both teams. Tyra

778
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: Taylor gets knocked out, so you've got the Giants who

779
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: were playing with their third quarterback. The Jets lose two

780
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: centers in this game, so they're playing with their third center.

781
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: They've got, you know, obviously Vera Tucker's gone for the year,

782
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: Tipman's out, Dwayne Brown not playing, The Giants are missing

783
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: offensive lineman. There was so many things working against offense

784
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: in this game and two good defenses, so it's a

785
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: slog until the end. The Jets end up getting a miracle.

786
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: The Giants missed the field goal. They have what twenty

787
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: somethings seconds left at the end of the game, twenty

788
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 2: four seconds left, and then Zach hits a big throw

789
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: happens to get an off side penalty on Thibodau, which

790
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: was the key to the game because you get the

791
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: big chunk play and the clock stops, you don't have

792
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: a time out. Then he hits another one where he

793
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: escapes pressure and they end up getting in field goal

794
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: range to senate overtime. I'll start with this question. In

795
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: a game in a monsoon where you've got your third

796
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: string quarterback, the questionable thing to me, the Giants won

797
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: the toss, don't you go on defense and try and

798
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: get a stop and then we just need a field

799
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: goal then the game's over.

800
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would appear to be that thing sometimes, you know,

801
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: DJ sometimes, like in the NFL. Is so different because

802
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: in the NFL, a lot of times offensive guys like

803
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: to take the ball for whatever reason, they like.

804
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: To quarterback in a monsoon, I know, with the ball.

805
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, But normally, man, if you operate under dispremise, hey,

806
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: we're going to defer. In KFC, we're always going to

807
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: kick from the clock. That's a high school team, right

808
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: because you want the clock at the end. But for

809
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: this team, like I mean, yeah, like it in the monsoon,

810
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: the elements and the conditions that both teams were playing

811
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: with in terms of injury situation, man, why do not

812
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: kick it to them? Take advantage of Hey, they go

813
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: through and out, we get a shorter field. If we score,

814
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: we win. Game over, like why not take that approach?

815
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: So it it didn't work out for them, but it's

816
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: one of those things, another thing that would be second

817
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: guests for a long time in New York.

818
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: I won't go along on this front because I actually

819
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: did a little like five minute video. It's on Instagram

820
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: and to move the Sticks. You can find it on

821
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: there on this Zach Wilson thing, because fuck, you know,

822
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 2: there's a balance. I actually people replied to that video

823
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: and said, oh, or Lavsky said something similar. So I

824
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: actually called Dan and I'm like, dude, I mean, it's

825
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: crazy to me how much criticism this kid takes. And

826
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: we both said the same thing. We're not looking to

827
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: put him in the Hall of Fame. But you had

828
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: a team with a great defense at years past and

829
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 2: you've said, man, if we just had a game manager,

830
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: just don't turn the ball over. Well that's what he's doing.

831
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 2: He's turned He had one pick in the last five games,

832
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, he fumbled twice in this game.

833
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: We had.

834
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: One of those fumbles was under center with his third

835
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: center who was on the practice squad as a guard

836
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: who's now forced into action in a monsoon, So he

837
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: fumbled a snap. Okay, he had a sack fumble early

838
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: in the game. I'll put that on him. He should

839
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: have held onto that ball. That's one fumble on a

840
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: day where the Giants had negative nine passing yards. He

841
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: throws for two forty, makes two big throws at the

842
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: end to set up the field goal. They had several

843
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: drop passes. He got pressured twenty five times in this game, Buck,

844
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean, well, to be expected. You've got Dexter Lawrence

845
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: working against your third stringth center.

846
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know.

847
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: I just thought he showed some toughness, some grit. He

848
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: hung in there and he gave that team a chance

849
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: to win. And I think he's gotten better, you know.

850
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: And I don't think people want to hear that he's

851
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: an easy target to crush and hate on. I think

852
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: there's got to be some balance between saying, Okay, maybe

853
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: the second pick. You know, he hasn't been that obviously,

854
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: but man, let's acknowledge the kid is tough and he's

855
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: getting better. I think that's fair.

856
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: DJ. Do you believe that Zach Wilson makes the strides

857
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: that he's made this year without Aaron Rodgers being in

858
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: the field. No, So I think that was huge thing. Yeah,

859
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: so Aaron Rodgers being able to teach him how to play,

860
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: being willing to teach him and not throwing or whatever.

861
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: But I would say game management situation understands situational awareness.

862
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: Do we think that maybe he executes their horror account

863
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: without Aaron Rodgers being in his ear telling them, hey man,

864
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: this might be a chance for us to after big

865
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: play to get him like so, to me, Aaron Rodgers

866
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: has been worth his weight in goal despite not really

867
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: playing for them. He has given Zach Wilson a lot

868
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: of insight in wisdom that has made him a better player.

869
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: The toughness that he's displayed, the consistency that he's displayed

870
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: in terms of just running the offense. I love all

871
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: of that, and so he deserves a lot of credit

872
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: for that. I also can't understand why Robert Salad is

873
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: firmly in Zach Wilson's corner because if this works out,

874
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,760
Speaker 1: what he does take the baton from Aaron Rodgers this year.

875
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: Having Aaron Rodgers in the building could help him. I'm

876
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: not saying he's going to be a great player. We

877
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: can certainly help him be a very very good player

878
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: for them in time.

879
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree with you. So again, there's a longer

880
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: video on that if you want to check it out.

881
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: We've got time for one more game here, Seahawks, Browns Seahawks.

882
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: They end up coming back. They beat the Browns twenty

883
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: four to twenty. Gino a couple of touchdowns, couple picks.

884
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker eight for sixty six on the ground, Sharbone

885
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: fifty three yards rushing, Tyler Lockett eighty one yards and

886
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: a touchdown in JSN. Who I believe was your selection

887
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: this week was did you pick him in the rookie

888
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: draft this week?

889
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: I think I might have been. I think I might

890
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: have gone off to grow.

891
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: I might have picked He got a game winning, game

892
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: winning nine yard TD. I did not see that game.

893
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: So I think what's telling about this game is Geno

894
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: Smith says, Look, this team goes as I go, and

895
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: I have to understand and take ownership. My play really

896
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: determines whether we win or lose. I got to play better,

897
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: and so in spite of the turnovers and those things,

898
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: when they needed him to come through and make plays,

899
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 1: he made plays. This is a team that still wants

900
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: to be a run oriented team. They weren't able to

901
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: run the ball to their liking, but they had over

902
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: one hundred yards. They were able to kind of set

903
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: up some things by being able to play action and

904
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: push the ball down the field, and they got the dub.

905
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: On the other side with the Cleveland Browns being Browns,

906
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: runs for one hundred and fifty five yards. But the

907
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 1: reason why they lose quarterback had three turnovers. Can't turn

908
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: the ball over. Can't turn the ball over. And I

909
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: know everyone and their mom they probly know Deshaun Watson

910
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: is saying, Oh, they're better off with PJ. Walk whatever.

911
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: What we saw yesterday is, look, that's PJ. Walker's still

912
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: like he's not going to be able to be a

913
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: high end quarterback game after game after game. Deshaun Watson

914
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: hasn't played like that in Cleveland. But at some point,

915
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: what you're hoping is that he is going to be

916
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: a guy that is not just the manager that you're

917
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: not winning in spite of that. Eventually you winning because

918
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: of he has to hold up his end of the obligation.

919
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: Right now with his injuries or whatever, he hasn't been

920
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: able to. But you saw what the Browns are like

921
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: without a franchise quarterback. They need to get to Sean

922
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: Watson in the building and playing, and then they also

923
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: need to get him playing well so they can kind

924
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: of realize their potential as a team.

925
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think when you're in the AFC right now,

926
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: you don't have one of those superstars you can get

927
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: to the playoffs. And when we just came up, you know,

928
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: talking about the Jets and what they're trying to do.

929
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: If the Jets are gonna do anything, they're gonna need

930
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers to miraculously come back at the end of

931
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: the year to try and get through this gauntlet. And

932
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: that with the Browns, they're gonna need the young in

933
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: his prime, great Deshaun Watson, if they're gonna make a run,

934
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: because you're not getting through Burrow, Mahomes, Josh Allen, You're

935
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: not getting through all those guys. You know, Trevor Lawrence

936
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: obviously belongs in that discussion. And I know that's a

937
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: defensive laden team, but you know, the Jags find their

938
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: way into a shootout. Buck if their defense cracks, the

939
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: quarterback can win a shootout. You got to have a

940
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: quarterback it's going to be able to Maybe it's only

941
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: one game in the playoffs in the AFC. Maybe it's

942
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: just one time, but you better have that club in

943
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: your bag. Is kind of what I'm getting at.

944
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: Is the only way you can do it into AFC.

945
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: It's quarterback play, yes, quarterback playing pass for better have

946
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: an a level quarterback because it's going to come down

947
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: to a duel the seven teams and make the tournament.

948
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: We can pretty much guarantee that each of those guys

949
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: going to have a franchise, a marquee quarterback. So you've

950
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: got to be able to if you don't have one, man,

951
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: you go into the gunfight with a butter Knight. YEP.

952
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: A good way to end it right there. It's a

953
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: good way to put it.

954
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Man.

955
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: We normally touch on the rest of the games briefly.

956
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: We don't have time to do that today. We will

957
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: get into some of these other games and these other

958
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: teams again throughout the week. We have five episodes a week,

959
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: so Monday through Friday, including the video show, which you

960
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: can catch on Tuesday. That is four pm Pacific every Tuesday.

961
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: That's on the NFL Fast Channel. But anyways, that's going

962
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: to do it for us today. I appreciate you guys

963
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: hanging with us, and we'll see you next time. Right

964
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 2: here on, move the sticks.

965
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: To Tetfortunity before