WEBVTT - Augusta Archives: Steve Scott

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<v Speaker 1>I miss the green.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball

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<v Speaker 2>in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I find my ball in a fried.

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<v Speaker 2>Egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Frida Egg, Frida Egg,

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<v Speaker 2>fried Egg, Frida Egg, bride egg Lie, I'm about ready

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<v Speaker 2>to run off the golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>Arnold Palmer is the Masters of Night.

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<v Speaker 2>He has buddy the last two holes, two cats.

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<v Speaker 1>I got bog ahead of cat that Jory?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the say that lay a ways? God? Have

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<v Speaker 2>anybody hasn't ever seen that? A play up the hill.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that? And I think that's one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>buddies I've ever seen in Friday Night.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe yes, sir there, can you believe it?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>No? There?

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<v Speaker 3>It is a win for the ages?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it his time.

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<v Speaker 1>Here? It comes?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, oh wow? In your life? Have you

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<v Speaker 3>seen anything like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello? Friends, I'm Jim nantsis my great pleasure to welcome

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<v Speaker 2>you to the Master's Tournament. I've heard it said before.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tradition.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike any other Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another

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<v Speaker 1>Master's podcast on the Frida Egg Podcast Today. I am

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<v Speaker 1>joined by nineteen ninety six us AM runner up in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven Master's contestants Steve Scott, Steve, welcome on.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Sandy, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's uh, we get to talk to the man

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, had the most probably famous loss in

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<v Speaker 1>US Amateur history.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, yeah, thanks for reminding me of that. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, it's one of those things that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I really wear it. That's bad your honor,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but it's you know, I played great under

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<v Speaker 2>great pressure, and you know, the Tiger guy just played

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit better. And and you know, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, if I can beat Steve Scott in his

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<v Speaker 2>final US Amateur, I am ready to turn pro. And

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<v Speaker 2>he went on and he nipped me in thirty eight holes,

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<v Speaker 2>and he went.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the tough thing with match play. We saw

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<v Speaker 1>it at that you see it every year at the

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<v Speaker 1>match play on the tour. Is like, you can you

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<v Speaker 1>can play as good a golf as you can play

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<v Speaker 1>and just get beat. And to have that happen in

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<v Speaker 1>a final of the US AM I mean it had

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of the greatest us AM matches of

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<v Speaker 1>all time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was pretty historical. I mean, you know, Jack Nicholas,

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Jones, nobody had ever won three US Amateurs in

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<v Speaker 2>a row. And you know, for me to be the

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<v Speaker 2>guy to be in the way of history per se,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was a pretty unique situation to be in.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you think of the odds of just making it,

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<v Speaker 2>just making it to the US Amateur in general is

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<v Speaker 2>is highly difficult. And then you have a field of

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and twelve players that pairs down to two

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the week, and it was me

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<v Speaker 2>and that guy, and you know, you think of the

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<v Speaker 2>odds of that, it's pretty astronomical. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>played my heart out. I you know, I didn't blow it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't choke I I you know, if it was

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<v Speaker 2>stroke play, I would have beat him. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>stroke play, and you know, it was just one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things that you know, golf always comes down to

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<v Speaker 2>one shot, and you know, it just happened to be

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<v Speaker 2>that last hole. I made a bogie and he made

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<v Speaker 2>a par and that was it. That was it was

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<v Speaker 2>just it was just a monumental day in golf history

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<v Speaker 2>and probably something that will never be repeated ever again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't foresee anybody winning three straight because after

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<v Speaker 1>two they'll turn pro.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine, Yeah, they turn pro after one and they

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<v Speaker 2>want to think, I think they can go dominate the world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's very difficult. It's very difficult out there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing think about golf is there's there's just there's

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<v Speaker 2>just no guarantees. It's not like playing, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>being a top prospect in baseball or football and signing

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<v Speaker 2>multimillion dollar contracts. I mean golf, you have to prove

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<v Speaker 2>yourself every single day. If you're out there on the

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<v Speaker 2>on the MLB field and you you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't get a hit, you don't get paid. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think those guys would like that very much. And golf

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the case. If you you don't play well,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get paid that week.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I always say to people when they talk

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<v Speaker 1>about like, you know, life many tour golfers or my

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<v Speaker 1>buddy who's playing on the Web tour, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this guy does not have a glamorous life

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<v Speaker 1>right now. It's you know, if he makes it to

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<v Speaker 1>the PGA Tour and stays up there for a while, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, you know, and then you're living the life.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's so few spots and the road to it

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<v Speaker 1>is so difficult, especially if you're playing on Latin America

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<v Speaker 1>or Canadian tour, like the money is is so small,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you play bad for eight weeks in a row,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not bringing bringing home any cash.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. You'll finish in the top five. Yeah, you're you're done.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to make expenses for the week. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's a you know, it coming up the ladder is

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<v Speaker 2>certainly a you have to be super dedicated and you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to have a little bank roll behind you, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it's a it is an extreme challenge

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, some people do it for a few

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<v Speaker 2>years and then you know they go get a job

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<v Speaker 2>in the real world because it's it's it's just that tough.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, at the end of the day, you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's it is is a pretty cool profession, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting to play golf and making money at it, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it is a it is kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>cool thing too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, it's I mean, I think that's why so

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<v Speaker 1>many people try and do it. It's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best jobs you could have knowing Augusta is on the

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<v Speaker 1>line in that US am, how is the pressure in

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<v Speaker 1>the semi final match compared to like the finals obviously

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<v Speaker 1>that that adds a wrinkle to you know, your regular match,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, Andy, I had the luxury of making

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<v Speaker 2>it to the semifinals in ninety five at Newport Country Club,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was really really nervous that match. The year

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<v Speaker 2>before I played and you know, against Tiger in that match.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the year before in ninety five, I played

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<v Speaker 2>against Buddy Marucci who ended up beating me nineteen holes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can just remember how how fast everything was

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<v Speaker 2>moving in my mind and and how nervous that I was.

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<v Speaker 2>And the next year when I got to the semifinals again,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean to have that experience under my belt. It

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<v Speaker 2>was really funny how the perception of time slowed down

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<v Speaker 2>and I was able to kind of control of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was ready. I was ready to make that

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<v Speaker 2>step because I had the success that I did the

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<v Speaker 2>year before and had that opportunity the year before, So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I certainly didn't want to let it go

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<v Speaker 2>two times in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>After a couple of months go by, you get you

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<v Speaker 1>know the invite. How many times did you go out

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<v Speaker 1>and practice at Augusta before the week of the tournament.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was still a sophomore at University of Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I had, you know, had schooling to do

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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>I did go.

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<v Speaker 2>In March of ninety seven. I made a trip over

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<v Speaker 2>a weekend, and I think I played a couple of rounds.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I didn't go a ton like some people do,

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<v Speaker 2>but but I was able to, you know, go out

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<v Speaker 2>there for a couple of practice rounds before. And I

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<v Speaker 2>got to tell you, the golf course plays plays zero

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<v Speaker 2>like it plays during the tournament. Even a month before

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<v Speaker 2>they really ramped the golf course up, and even from

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<v Speaker 2>Monday to Thursday of Masters tournament week, the golf course

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<v Speaker 2>changes dramatically. The balls don't roll back into the bank,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from the band on number fifteen, let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>or number twelve on Monday. But Thursday, like Wednesday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's like Disney World. To go out there

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<v Speaker 2>and there's this you know, they they roll and cut

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<v Speaker 2>and roll until they just can't do it anymore. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's one of those things that the golf

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<v Speaker 2>course now the balls are all trickling in Thursday morning,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, first round and it's just a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's a different golf course. They just totally ramp it

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<v Speaker 2>up in a very short amount of time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's uh, that's funny. That was going to be my

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<v Speaker 1>next question. So the difference, you know, from from Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>to Thursday is just you know, monumental.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I remember. I remember when I so, I play

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<v Speaker 2>a practice round on Wednesday morning and I went and

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<v Speaker 2>played the par three course and then I came back

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<v Speaker 2>out to the main cutting green to roll some putts,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had done all their work on the main

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<v Speaker 2>cutting green and I drop a couple of balls and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just you know, I want to you know how

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<v Speaker 2>you just drop a couple and you're ready to go

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<v Speaker 2>putt and the balls wouldn't stay on the green, Like

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<v Speaker 2>the balls are rolling off the off the practice putting green.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh boy, I'm really in for it this week.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was like it was totally like linoleum

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<v Speaker 2>that you just dropped it on and the balls just

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't stop. It was it was out of this world.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard the stories of Tiger practicing on Stanford's basketball court. Putting.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you do anything beforehand special to work on putting

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<v Speaker 1>on extraordinarily fast greens?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't go to those limits. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think anything really prepares you for I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>unless you're super lucky enough to you know, know a

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<v Speaker 2>superintendent who will totally scalp a green at your home course.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's nothing that really prepares you for hitting

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<v Speaker 2>a fifty or sixty footer at Augusta National during Masters

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<v Speaker 2>tournament week. You just don't have any frame of reference.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've really remember struggling on those type of putts

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean it was just the greens are just

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<v Speaker 2>so fast, and you just you're trying to go on

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<v Speaker 2>your memory bank of Okay, what do I do here?

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<v Speaker 2>How hard do I really need to hit this fifty

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<v Speaker 2>foot or down? I remember I had a ninety footer

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<v Speaker 2>all the way across the green on the fifteenth hole.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I had. It was for eagle or something,

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<v Speaker 2>and the pin was was front left and I was

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<v Speaker 2>all the way on the right and it was downhill

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<v Speaker 2>the whole way, and I hit this putt from ninety

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<v Speaker 2>feet and I probably you know, I could have hit

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<v Speaker 2>it like a ten footer and it just it never stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>It went all the way across the green and off

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<v Speaker 2>the other side, and you just have no frame of reference.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that unique.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think the thing that gets lost is that

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<v Speaker 1>with the speed is that the greens are also some

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<v Speaker 1>of the most vicious and undulating greens around. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>They they have these these slopes that are just you know, incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>They're you know, especially the Mackenzie greens are just out

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<v Speaker 1>of this world with you know, Alis for McKenzie and

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<v Speaker 1>Perry Maxwell doing most of the greens there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you combine, you combine severe you know, three or

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<v Speaker 2>four degree slopes with the speed of the greens that

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<v Speaker 2>they that they make them at and they can suck

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<v Speaker 2>the moisture and make them you know, as firm and

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<v Speaker 2>as fast as you could ever imagine. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things if you have like when I

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<v Speaker 2>saw the greens and after all they did all the

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<v Speaker 2>work on the Wednesday, it's almost like the greens they're

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<v Speaker 2>not even green anymore. They're like a purply blue looking

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<v Speaker 2>they're just like it's just a different it's a totally

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<v Speaker 2>different arena. And you get out there and you know

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<v Speaker 2>you have and you know, I guess that's why typically

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a few years, around a few Masters tournaments

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<v Speaker 2>to really get a good perspective of of how you

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<v Speaker 2>need to play the golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>Who'd you play your practice rounds with?

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<v Speaker 2>Andy? I had some amazing practice rounds. Somebody gave me

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of writing letters to people wanted to play with,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to say it was my college coach buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>Alexander and and and so I wrote letters to Justin Leonard,

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote letters to Jack Nicholas, and I wrote letter

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<v Speaker 2>to Greg Norman and I they they all three of

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<v Speaker 2>them obliged with a practice round for me. So I

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<v Speaker 2>played with I played with Justin Leonard on Monday, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was soon after he won the British Open the

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<v Speaker 2>year before. And then and then I played with mister

0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas on Tuesday, and then I played with Greg Norman

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<v Speaker 2>and Steve Elkington on Wednesday, and it was just it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was super It was just so good. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't I can't even put it into words how

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<v Speaker 2>what the experience was like. And to to go around

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<v Speaker 2>with with Nick, with Nicholas in particular, because he'd won

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<v Speaker 2>all the Green Jackets and and you know, he was

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<v Speaker 2>like a grandpa there to me. You know, he's fifty

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<v Speaker 2>seven year all at the time, and and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was just showing me the ropes and showing me.

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<v Speaker 2>He showed me this one putt above the pin on

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<v Speaker 2>number nine, and I could have sworn this putt was

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<v Speaker 2>going to break left or right half a foot at least,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, play it half a foot right to left.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was totally, you know, opposite of what I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, I did, and I played it

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<v Speaker 2>the way he told me to do it, and from

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<v Speaker 2>about thirty forty feet and I buried the putt and

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of looked over and I shook my

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<v Speaker 2>head and I said, man, I guess this is why

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<v Speaker 2>you've won six Green jackets.

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<v Speaker 1>That's uh, that's got to be so cool to get

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<v Speaker 1>a player with jack out there on during the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Which who gave you the best, you know, single piece

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<v Speaker 1>of advice?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, Justin Leonard was really good. He just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he said, just you know, get there early,

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<v Speaker 2>play some practice rounds. You know, I don't know, I mean,

0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.640
<v Speaker 2>there was just a lot a lot of people gave

0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.160
<v Speaker 2>great advice. I can't pinpoint it to one, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just one of those things you have to get

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<v Speaker 2>out there and experience the course. And you know, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think I just tried to soak it

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<v Speaker 2>all in. I mean, I didn't play very well that week.

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately I missed the cut, and the cut was abnormally

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<v Speaker 2>high that year. It was like six over par was

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<v Speaker 2>the cut. It was abnormally firm and fast. And this

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<v Speaker 2>was before all the Tiger proofing and the lengthening of

0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.760
<v Speaker 2>the course and the rough and all that stuff, and

0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:30.000
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it was just it played extremely difficult.

0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Remember you know, Tiger wins by twelve shots over Tom

0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Kite shoots shoots six under par and finished second. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it was a it was a It was

0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.840
<v Speaker 2>a very difficult golf course that year. And I barely

0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.000
<v Speaker 2>broke eighty both rounds. And you know, but I've never

0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.480
<v Speaker 2>had as much fun playing crummy as I did there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the first t is that the how are

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<v Speaker 1>the nerves there? And was there a spot on the

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<v Speaker 1>golf course other than that that you were, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a normally nervous to a regular round.

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<v Speaker 2>What I remember and maybe you know the first team,

0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you're always amped up and and uh, especially there and

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember during the practice round, h my Wednesday

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<v Speaker 2>practice round with Elkington and Norman. Elkington hit his drive

0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.520
<v Speaker 2>out there on first and and Norman hit and I

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<v Speaker 2>hit last and and and I think I outdrove Norman

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<v Speaker 2>by you know, five or ten yards and and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know I was pretty amped up, and and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it was just really cool, you know, listening

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<v Speaker 2>all the you know, the fans, you know kind of

0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.240
<v Speaker 2>maybe heckel Norman for getting out driven by a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a kid. And you know, I know I was never

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<v Speaker 2>really known for being a long hitter at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm still not, so you know, it was it

0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.200
<v Speaker 2>was It's pretty cool how far you can hit a

0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:55.120
<v Speaker 2>golf ball with adrenaline. Uh. And and you know, first

0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.600
<v Speaker 2>teeth the Masters is kind of the uh, you know,

0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.680
<v Speaker 2>the epitome of of you know, trying to control that,

0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, that adrenaline in the emotions. MM.

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<v Speaker 1>So that shot on twelve is uh, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>hear about the wind so much could tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, you know, Is it as tough as everybody

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<v Speaker 1>says with the wind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it certainly is. I kept it out of the

0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.080
<v Speaker 2>water both days, which was which was nice. I remember

0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.000
<v Speaker 2>in the practice round the month before, I remember being

0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.080
<v Speaker 2>so nervous because you know, you've watched The Masters on

0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.800
<v Speaker 2>TV for you know, a ton of years, and I

0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.119
<v Speaker 2>don't remember being nervous in a practice round. And I

0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.040
<v Speaker 2>was nervous in a practice round. You know, I get

0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.320
<v Speaker 2>up there and and I think I dumped one or

0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.040
<v Speaker 2>two in the water, you know, a month before. But yeah,

0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the winds do swirl. You get you know, you get

0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the flag on eleven that that looks like a downwind,

0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.200
<v Speaker 2>and you know the wind kind of turns back in

0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.040
<v Speaker 2>that corner and comes back into you, and and yeah,

0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:57.960
<v Speaker 2>you have to kind of you got to get a

0:17:58.000 --> 0:17:59.639
<v Speaker 2>little lucky. Let's put it that way. I mean, the

0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:03.159
<v Speaker 2>green on the left side might be thirteen to fifteen

0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.360
<v Speaker 2>paces deep, and then and then in the middle it's

0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.960
<v Speaker 2>like seven paces deep, and in the right side it's like,

0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, nine or ten. So you know, it's one club.

0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.320
<v Speaker 2>If you miss club by one right or one little,

0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.680
<v Speaker 2>you take a little too much speed off of a shot,

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<v Speaker 2>or you get a little adrenaline, then you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>why you see guys go in the back bunker and

0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.720
<v Speaker 2>go it is. It is the most challenging one hundred

0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.800
<v Speaker 2>and fifty five yard shot that you could imagine because

0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.800
<v Speaker 2>the green is just it's so shallow from front to back.

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<v Speaker 1>So you alluded to watching a ton of Augusta coverage

0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.919
<v Speaker 1>as a kid. What was the thing playing the course

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<v Speaker 1>that was the most different from what you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was from watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think the terrain at Augusta National is

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the drop from the tee to the green

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<v Speaker 2>at tenthole, for example, is just unbelievable. You know, you

0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.639
<v Speaker 2>certainly can't get a sense of that on you know,

0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.160
<v Speaker 2>on television at all. It's it's it's such an amazing

0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.439
<v Speaker 2>climb and you know, you and down to the twelfth

0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.520
<v Speaker 2>green in the thirteenth t area that's kind of the

0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.200
<v Speaker 2>low point of the golf course and everything works back

0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.960
<v Speaker 2>up to the clubhouse from there, and it's I think

0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.679
<v Speaker 2>the terrain probably is the most significant thing. And then

0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, then it's just the speed of the greens.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have any appreciation for how great of putters,

0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, guys like Ben Crenshaw were and the putt

0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:38.760
<v Speaker 2>that Nicholas made in eighty six on seventeen and you know,

0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and even on even on eighteen in eighty six, when

0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Nicholas hit that putt from the bottom tier all the

0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.600
<v Speaker 2>way up to the top and almost hold it. I mean,

0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.639
<v Speaker 2>like that is a really tough putt. And you know,

0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.600
<v Speaker 2>the appreciation for those shots you just don't get unless

0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.480
<v Speaker 2>you're unless you're there in person and see how much

0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:00.280
<v Speaker 2>how much slopes that there are out there.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of the tournaments over the years, do you

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<v Speaker 1>still watch a lot of the Masters or most of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? Is it still a ritual for you?

0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I watch every minute that I can't I get, you know,

0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:18.520
<v Speaker 2>whether it's streaming online or on television. I mean the Masters,

0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, as a I mean I'm not only you know,

0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.120
<v Speaker 2>a professional golfer, I'm a I'm a golf fan. I'm

0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.800
<v Speaker 2>a golf nut, and I love I love everything. I mean,

0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.280
<v Speaker 2>this this time of year is like I'm like a

0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.280
<v Speaker 2>kid in a candy store. Really, I mean, I'm forty

0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:37.080
<v Speaker 2>years old and I still feel you know, those those

0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:41.840
<v Speaker 2>it's that excitement of spring and and you know the

0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Masters just really really, you know, gets that out of you.

0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Every time, and it's that that, you know, the lead

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.480
<v Speaker 2>up to the Masters is great, and I don't know,

0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.280
<v Speaker 2>I personally can't get enough.

0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:57.800
<v Speaker 1>What tournaments and shots do you think don't get spoken

0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:02.760
<v Speaker 1>about enough or forgot? I don't know.

0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think I think they kind of all do.

0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, you go back. I don't know.

0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 2>I guess I think of the the you know, the

0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:14.640
<v Speaker 2>eighties into the nineties and and you know, from Sandy

0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Lyle hitting a fairway bunker shot and hitting it to

0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.120
<v Speaker 2>five feet above the hole on the seventy second hole

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:24.240
<v Speaker 2>and making it, or you know, like, I don't know,

0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I think they all get their due really, you know,

0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:31.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. That's that's a that's a tough one

0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.920
<v Speaker 2>because there's so there's so many that you get their due.

0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Probably it's hard to have to say that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Really what was the what hole did you find to

0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.520
<v Speaker 1>be kind of the most under the radar great hole

0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.439
<v Speaker 1>that you know outside of Amen Corner that you loved.

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.159
<v Speaker 2>There's just there's so many. I mean, the greens, like

0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:57.720
<v Speaker 2>getting your approaches into the greens have to be so presite.

0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.320
<v Speaker 2>The fairways they mowed them back of the tee and

0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.920
<v Speaker 2>to have a sand wedge, you know, up to the

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 2>green on number seven for example, off of the super

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.000
<v Speaker 2>tight lie that the grain is mowed right into you.

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:16.040
<v Speaker 2>It's so hard. I totally can see why why Jordan

0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Spieth a couple of years ago dumped a couple into

0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:20.439
<v Speaker 2>Raysed Creek. You know when he hit when he had

0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:22.600
<v Speaker 2>that layup on number on number twelve, when he hit

0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 2>in the water and then he dropped and for uh,

0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:28.879
<v Speaker 2>I guess pretty famous, but for bad reasons. But you know,

0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the precision needed to hit a wedge shot off of

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:37.760
<v Speaker 2>off of that tight lie, it's just it's so tough.

0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:39.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you you hit it a tenth of an

0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:42.639
<v Speaker 2>inch heavy and you're gonna you're gonna look like Jordan Speed.

0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:45.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's that it's it doesn't take much at all.

0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:49.040
<v Speaker 2>And you know, any wet you know, just those simple

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.480
<v Speaker 2>web shots or the shots that look simple, like the

0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.960
<v Speaker 2>shot on fifteen, you got a downhill lie if you

0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:56.879
<v Speaker 2>lay it up too much down the right side of

0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:58.639
<v Speaker 2>the fairway. So that's why you see a lot of

0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.439
<v Speaker 2>guys lay up left. It's a little bit flatter, flatter

0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:04.080
<v Speaker 2>lie into the green, and you know you just have

0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:08.120
<v Speaker 2>to position the ball properly and give yourself the flattest

0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 2>lies possible.

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 1>And if you could have one like world class skill

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and you're going to the Masters and you're the best

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 1>in the world, have one aspect of golf, which one

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:23.000
<v Speaker 1>would you want it to be? To have success at Augusta.

0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:26.520
<v Speaker 2>You've got to be a precision iron player. You have

0:23:26.760 --> 0:23:29.919
<v Speaker 2>to you have to be able to dial in your

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:34.400
<v Speaker 2>distance so well there because every you know, the difference

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:38.320
<v Speaker 2>between you know, one or two yards off is dramatic.

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:40.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, like I mentioned about the twelfth fall being

0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, less than ten yards deep of the green

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 2>on the green in some parts of that green, and

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, to get it on the little tiers like

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:52.879
<v Speaker 2>on the thirteenth hole, the pens all the way in

0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 2>the back, and you know, you've got an area the

0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:58.159
<v Speaker 2>size of a dining room table, it seems like to

0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 2>really place your golf ball or else you know it's

0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:02.639
<v Speaker 2>going to go off in the lower areas and the

0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:07.440
<v Speaker 2>low parts of the green. And the precision iron game

0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 2>and getting and dialing in your distance I think is crucial.

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, also with all the uneven lies and makes hitting

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.200
<v Speaker 1>it the right distance even tougher.

0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you get the uneven lies, and like back in

0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 2>oh I can't remember late eighties, early nineties, Nick Faldo

0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:32.399
<v Speaker 2>beat Ray Floyd in a playoff and Floyd tugged it

0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 2>into water on the eleventh hole to lose. To lose,

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Defaldo hit the ball was above his feet and he

0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:42.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't quite calculate that into a shot as much as

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 2>he needed to, and that's why he tugged the ball

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 2>a little bit left. And yeah, you don't get a

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:49.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of a lot of even lies, Like the thirteenth

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:54.119
<v Speaker 2>hole is a short par five. But I remember, you

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 2>know you have like a I mean for me, I

0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not Bubba Watson. I don't have wedge

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<v Speaker 2>to the green, but you know I had like a

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<v Speaker 2>four iron, let's say, and you're hitting it off a

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<v Speaker 2>downhill with the ball above your feet, but you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to hit a high cut with a ball with a

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<v Speaker 2>lie that's telling you you're going to hit a low hook.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, I think that's that's something that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>quite see on TV. I mean, the lies just don't

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<v Speaker 2>always fit the type of shot that you need to play.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing on ten, the tenth hole, the ball kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sits a little above your feet and you really

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<v Speaker 2>need to hit a high cut into that green to

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<v Speaker 2>hold it better. If you hit a draw, it will

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fall off the left. And you know, those

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<v Speaker 2>those sorts of little nuances, they totally affect the shot

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<v Speaker 2>and can really make the pros look dumb if they

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<v Speaker 2>don't quite you know, calculate all those little nuances into

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<v Speaker 2>the into their equation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's one of those subtle design tricks.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody always talks about how you how do you make

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<v Speaker 1>a course extremely playable for a fifty a handicap of

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen handicaps never going to recognize like, oh I have

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<v Speaker 1>a hook lie and I need to hit a fade

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<v Speaker 1>into the screen. But for the elite, world class players,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it drives them crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you have for going into this week? Who

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<v Speaker 1>who's your pick?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I've got I think I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>very open. I think for for you know, for a

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<v Speaker 2>golf fan out there, I think this has got to

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<v Speaker 2>be one of the most exciting masters. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>got Field playing great, You've got Tiger coming back up

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<v Speaker 2>and knowing knowing the golf course so well. You got

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<v Speaker 2>McElroy winning recently, at bay Hill. You know, you have

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<v Speaker 2>Bubba Watson winning at the Dell Technologies match play a

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<v Speaker 2>week ago. You have a lot of you just have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great players that are that are really

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<v Speaker 2>playing well right now. Justin Thomas is playing really well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So I don't know. I think it's I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's wide open. I think for the if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a betting man out there, it's hard to pick somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>If I had to pick somebody, I don't know. Left handers,

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 2>they're seeming to do very well at Augusta. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Bubba Watson, even though he might not be a player

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<v Speaker 2>favorite inside the ropes, I think Bubba is playing extremely

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<v Speaker 2>well and I would put him pretty high on my

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<v Speaker 2>list for sure. And Michelson's playing great too. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know a left handers kind of I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they have a little bit of an advantage there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think Bubba. One of the things he can

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<v Speaker 1>do is he can almost like manufacture angles because of

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 1>the way he can shape the ball. So you know,

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 1>he might not be in the ideal angle, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the ideal spot to attack a flag, but he can

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<v Speaker 1>move it so much he can make the angle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's as creative of a players as there's been

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<v Speaker 2>in the last you know, twenty or thirty years out

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<v Speaker 2>there and moving the ball around like he does. Yeah, look,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't put it past him to be in a hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>Come back ninth Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we've got a tradition of overrated underrated. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not a tradition unlike any other, but it's

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.360
<v Speaker 1>it's our tradition. So uh, I'm going to just throw

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<v Speaker 1>out a couple masters things here and you say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's overrated or underrated, you can add explanation, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be one of the two.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Pimento cheese sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmmm. For had one? So I don't know, Can I

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<v Speaker 2>can I talk on that one? Can we come back around?

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Have you never had one? You didn't try one, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have curate?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think I did. No, I don't know.

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I think I I don't know if I I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I had one at all. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I would say, I would say, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say I'd say overrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there's a reason you haven't had one.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to pick one I would say overrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Driving down Magnolia Lane.

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<v Speaker 2>Underrated it's it's it's you just gotta do it. It's amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The fourteenth hole, that green is difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't think it's so, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where it's rated, but I would say, I would

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<v Speaker 2>say it's really tough. So let's go underrated there, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the Crow's Nest.

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<v Speaker 2>The Crow's Nest not overrated. I don't know if it's underrated.

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 2>It's just amazing. It's uh, it's like a religious experience

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<v Speaker 2>to stay on the grounds of Augusta National So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. It's certainly not overrated. So if I have

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<v Speaker 2>to pick one to be underrated.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Steve, thanks so much for your time, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking forward to a great Masters week and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you'll enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I will, thank you Andy for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate this