1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: I miss the green. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 2: For example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 2: in the bunker, I'm really upset. 4 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: And when I find my ball in a fried. 5 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: Egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Frida Egg, Frida Egg, 6 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: fried Egg, Frida Egg, bride egg Lie, I'm about ready 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 2: to run off the golf course. 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: Arnold Palmer is the Masters of Night. 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: He has buddy the last two holes, two cats. 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: I got bog ahead of cat that Jory? 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: What is the say that lay a ways? God? Have 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: anybody hasn't ever seen that? A play up the hill. 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Like that? And I think that's one of the greatest 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: buddies I've ever seen in Friday Night. 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: Maybe yes, sir there, can you believe it? 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Now? 17 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: No? There? 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 3: It is a win for the ages? 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: Is it his time. 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: Here? It comes? 21 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, oh wow? In your life? Have you 22 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: seen anything like that? 23 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: Hello? Friends, I'm Jim nantsis my great pleasure to welcome 24 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: you to the Master's Tournament. I've heard it said before. 25 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: It's a tradition. 26 00:01:54,920 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: Unlike any other Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another 27 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: Master's podcast on the Frida Egg Podcast Today. I am 28 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: joined by nineteen ninety six us AM runner up in 29 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven Master's contestants Steve Scott, Steve, welcome on. 30 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: Thanks Sandy, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. 31 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, we get to talk to the man 32 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: that you know, had the most probably famous loss in 33 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: US Amateur history. 34 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, thanks for reminding me of that. Yeah, it's 35 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: you know, you know, it's one of those things that, yeah, 36 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: you know, I really wear it. That's bad your honor, 37 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: you know, but it's you know, I played great under 38 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: great pressure, and you know, the Tiger guy just played 39 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: a little bit better. And and you know, he said, 40 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: he said, if I can beat Steve Scott in his 41 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: final US Amateur, I am ready to turn pro. And 42 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: he went on and he nipped me in thirty eight holes, 43 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: and he went. 44 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the tough thing with match play. We saw 45 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: it at that you see it every year at the 46 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: match play on the tour. Is like, you can you 47 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: can play as good a golf as you can play 48 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: and just get beat. And to have that happen in 49 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: a final of the US AM I mean it had 50 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: to be one of the greatest us AM matches of 51 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: all time. 52 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty historical. I mean, you know, Jack Nicholas, 53 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: Bobby Jones, nobody had ever won three US Amateurs in 54 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: a row. And you know, for me to be the 55 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: guy to be in the way of history per se, 56 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: you know, it was a pretty unique situation to be in. 57 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you think of the odds of just making it, 58 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 2: just making it to the US Amateur in general is 59 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: is highly difficult. And then you have a field of 60 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: three hundred and twelve players that pairs down to two 61 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: at the end of the week, and it was me 62 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: and that guy, and you know, you think of the 63 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: odds of that, it's pretty astronomical. And you know, I 64 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: played my heart out. I you know, I didn't blow it. 65 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: I didn't choke I I you know, if it was 66 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: stroke play, I would have beat him. But it wasn't 67 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: stroke play, and you know, it was just one of 68 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 2: those things that you know, golf always comes down to 69 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 2: one shot, and you know, it just happened to be 70 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: that last hole. I made a bogie and he made 71 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 2: a par and that was it. That was it was 72 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: just it was just a monumental day in golf history 73 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: and probably something that will never be repeated ever again. 74 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't foresee anybody winning three straight because after 75 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: two they'll turn pro. 76 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: I imagine, Yeah, they turn pro after one and they 77 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: want to think, I think they can go dominate the world. 78 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: It's it's very difficult. It's very difficult out there. Yeah. 79 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: The thing think about golf is there's there's just there's 80 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: just no guarantees. It's not like playing, uh, you know, 81 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 2: being a top prospect in baseball or football and signing 82 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: multimillion dollar contracts. I mean golf, you have to prove 83 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 2: yourself every single day. If you're out there on the 84 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: on the MLB field and you you know, if you 85 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: don't get a hit, you don't get paid. I don't 86 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: think those guys would like that very much. And golf 87 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: that's that's the case. If you you don't play well, 88 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: you don't get paid that week. 89 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: That's what I always say to people when they talk 90 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: about like, you know, life many tour golfers or my 91 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: buddy who's playing on the Web tour, and it's like, 92 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: you know, this guy does not have a glamorous life 93 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: right now. It's you know, if he makes it to 94 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour and stays up there for a while, yes, 95 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: that's it, you know, and then you're living the life. 96 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: But there's so few spots and the road to it 97 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: is so difficult, especially if you're playing on Latin America 98 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 1: or Canadian tour, like the money is is so small, 99 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: and if you play bad for eight weeks in a row, 100 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: you're not bringing bringing home any cash. 101 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: Exactly. You'll finish in the top five. Yeah, you're you're done. 102 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: You're not going to make expenses for the week. So 103 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 2: it's a you know, it coming up the ladder is 104 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: certainly a you have to be super dedicated and you've 105 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: got to have a little bank roll behind you, and 106 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a it is an extreme challenge 107 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 2: that you know, some people do it for a few 108 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: years and then you know they go get a job 109 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 2: in the real world because it's it's it's just that tough. 110 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: But you know, at the end of the day, you 111 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: know it's it is is a pretty cool profession, you know, 112 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: getting to play golf and making money at it, so 113 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: you know, it is a it is kind of a 114 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: cool thing too. 115 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's I mean, I think that's why so 116 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: many people try and do it. It's one of the 117 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: best jobs you could have knowing Augusta is on the 118 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: line in that US am, how is the pressure in 119 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: the semi final match compared to like the finals obviously 120 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: that that adds a wrinkle to you know, your regular match, 121 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: I imagine. 122 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Andy, I had the luxury of making 123 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: it to the semifinals in ninety five at Newport Country Club, 124 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: and I was really really nervous that match. The year 125 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: before I played and you know, against Tiger in that match. 126 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: But yeah, the year before in ninety five, I played 127 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: against Buddy Marucci who ended up beating me nineteen holes, 128 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: and I can just remember how how fast everything was 129 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: moving in my mind and and how nervous that I was. 130 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: And the next year when I got to the semifinals again, 131 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: I mean to have that experience under my belt. It 132 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: was really funny how the perception of time slowed down 133 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: and I was able to kind of control of things, 134 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: and I was ready. I was ready to make that 135 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: step because I had the success that I did the 136 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: year before and had that opportunity the year before, So 137 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: you know, I certainly didn't want to let it go 138 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: two times in a row. 139 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: After a couple of months go by, you get you 140 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: know the invite. How many times did you go out 141 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: and practice at Augusta before the week of the tournament. 142 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: You know, I was still a sophomore at University of Florida, 143 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: and so I had, you know, had schooling to do 144 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 2: and whatnot. 145 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: I did go. 146 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: In March of ninety seven. I made a trip over 147 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: a weekend, and I think I played a couple of rounds. 148 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: And yeah, I didn't go a ton like some people do, 149 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 2: but but I was able to, you know, go out 150 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: there for a couple of practice rounds before. And I 151 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 2: got to tell you, the golf course plays plays zero 152 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: like it plays during the tournament. Even a month before 153 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 2: they really ramped the golf course up, and even from 154 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: Monday to Thursday of Masters tournament week, the golf course 155 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: changes dramatically. The balls don't roll back into the bank, 156 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: you know, from the band on number fifteen, let's say, 157 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: or number twelve on Monday. But Thursday, like Wednesday afternoon, 158 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: it's like it's like Disney World. To go out there 159 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: and there's this you know, they they roll and cut 160 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: and roll until they just can't do it anymore. And 161 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's one of those things that the golf 162 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: course now the balls are all trickling in Thursday morning, 163 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: you know, first round and it's just a it's a 164 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: it's a different golf course. They just totally ramp it 165 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: up in a very short amount of time. 166 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: That's uh, that's funny. That was going to be my 167 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: next question. So the difference, you know, from from Wednesday 168 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: to Thursday is just you know, monumental. 169 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember. I remember when I so, I play 170 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 2: a practice round on Wednesday morning and I went and 171 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: played the par three course and then I came back 172 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: out to the main cutting green to roll some putts, 173 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: and they had done all their work on the main 174 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: cutting green and I drop a couple of balls and 175 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: I'm just you know, I want to you know how 176 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: you just drop a couple and you're ready to go 177 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 2: putt and the balls wouldn't stay on the green, Like 178 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 2: the balls are rolling off the off the practice putting green. 179 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh boy, I'm really in for it this week. 180 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: I mean, it was like it was totally like linoleum 181 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: that you just dropped it on and the balls just 182 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't stop. It was it was out of this world. 183 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: You heard the stories of Tiger practicing on Stanford's basketball court. Putting. 184 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: Did you do anything beforehand special to work on putting 185 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: on extraordinarily fast greens? 186 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: No, I didn't go to those limits. You know, I 187 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 2: don't think anything really prepares you for I mean, look, 188 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 2: unless you're super lucky enough to you know, know a 189 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: superintendent who will totally scalp a green at your home course. 190 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing that really prepares you for hitting 191 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: a fifty or sixty footer at Augusta National during Masters 192 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: tournament week. You just don't have any frame of reference. 193 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 2: And I've really remember struggling on those type of putts 194 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: because I mean it was just the greens are just 195 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 2: so fast, and you just you're trying to go on 196 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: your memory bank of Okay, what do I do here? 197 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: How hard do I really need to hit this fifty 198 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: foot or down? I remember I had a ninety footer 199 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: all the way across the green on the fifteenth hole. 200 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: I think I had. It was for eagle or something, 201 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: and the pin was was front left and I was 202 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: all the way on the right and it was downhill 203 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: the whole way, and I hit this putt from ninety 204 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: feet and I probably you know, I could have hit 205 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: it like a ten footer and it just it never stopped. 206 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: It went all the way across the green and off 207 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: the other side, and you just have no frame of reference. 208 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: It's just that unique. 209 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the thing that gets lost is that 210 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: with the speed is that the greens are also some 211 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: of the most vicious and undulating greens around. You know. 212 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: They they have these these slopes that are just you know, incredible. 213 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: They're you know, especially the Mackenzie greens are just out 214 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 1: of this world with you know, Alis for McKenzie and 215 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: Perry Maxwell doing most of the greens there. 216 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you combine, you combine severe you know, three or 217 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 2: four degree slopes with the speed of the greens that 218 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: they that they make them at and they can suck 219 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: the moisture and make them you know, as firm and 220 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 2: as fast as you could ever imagine. It's just it's 221 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: one of those things if you have like when I 222 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: saw the greens and after all they did all the 223 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 2: work on the Wednesday, it's almost like the greens they're 224 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: not even green anymore. They're like a purply blue looking 225 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 2: they're just like it's just a different it's a totally 226 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: different arena. And you get out there and you know 227 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: you have and you know, I guess that's why typically 228 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: it takes a few years, around a few Masters tournaments 229 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 2: to really get a good perspective of of how you 230 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: need to play the golf course. 231 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: Who'd you play your practice rounds with? 232 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 2: Andy? I had some amazing practice rounds. Somebody gave me 233 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 2: the idea of writing letters to people wanted to play with, 234 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 2: and I want to say it was my college coach buddy, 235 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: Alexander and and and so I wrote letters to Justin Leonard, 236 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: I wrote letters to Jack Nicholas, and I wrote letter 237 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: to Greg Norman and I they they all three of 238 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: them obliged with a practice round for me. So I 239 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: played with I played with Justin Leonard on Monday, and 240 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 2: that was soon after he won the British Open the 241 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: year before. And then and then I played with mister 242 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: Nicholas on Tuesday, and then I played with Greg Norman 243 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: and Steve Elkington on Wednesday, and it was just it 244 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: was it was super It was just so good. I mean, 245 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: I couldn't I can't even put it into words how 246 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: what the experience was like. And to to go around 247 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 2: with with Nick, with Nicholas in particular, because he'd won 248 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 2: all the Green Jackets and and you know, he was 249 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: like a grandpa there to me. You know, he's fifty 250 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: seven year all at the time, and and you know, 251 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: he was just showing me the ropes and showing me. 252 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: He showed me this one putt above the pin on 253 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: number nine, and I could have sworn this putt was 254 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 2: going to break left or right half a foot at least, 255 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: and he said, play it half a foot right to left. 256 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 2: And it was totally, you know, opposite of what I thought. 257 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: And so you know, I did, and I played it 258 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: the way he told me to do it, and from 259 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 2: about thirty forty feet and I buried the putt and 260 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: I just kind of looked over and I shook my 261 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 2: head and I said, man, I guess this is why 262 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: you've won six Green jackets. 263 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: That's uh, that's got to be so cool to get 264 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: a player with jack out there on during the week. 265 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: Which who gave you the best, you know, single piece 266 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: of advice? 267 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: No, I mean, Justin Leonard was really good. He just 268 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: you know, he said, just you know, get there early, 269 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: play some practice rounds. You know, I don't know, I mean, 270 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: there was just a lot a lot of people gave 271 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: great advice. I can't pinpoint it to one, but you know, 272 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: it's just one of those things you have to get 273 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 2: out there and experience the course. And you know, for me, 274 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: I think I think I just tried to soak it 275 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: all in. I mean, I didn't play very well that week. 276 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: Unfortunately I missed the cut, and the cut was abnormally 277 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: high that year. It was like six over par was 278 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: the cut. It was abnormally firm and fast. And this 279 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: was before all the Tiger proofing and the lengthening of 280 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: the course and the rough and all that stuff, and 281 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: and you know, it was just it played extremely difficult. 282 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: Remember you know, Tiger wins by twelve shots over Tom 283 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: Kite shoots shoots six under par and finished second. So 284 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: you know, it was a it was a It was 285 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: a very difficult golf course that year. And I barely 286 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: broke eighty both rounds. And you know, but I've never 287 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: had as much fun playing crummy as I did there. 288 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the first t is that the how are 289 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: the nerves there? And was there a spot on the 290 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: golf course other than that that you were, you know, 291 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: a normally nervous to a regular round. 292 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: What I remember and maybe you know the first team, 293 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: you're always amped up and and uh, especially there and 294 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: and I remember during the practice round, h my Wednesday 295 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: practice round with Elkington and Norman. Elkington hit his drive 296 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: out there on first and and Norman hit and I 297 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: hit last and and and I think I outdrove Norman 298 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: by you know, five or ten yards and and uh, 299 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: you know I was pretty amped up, and and you know, 300 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: it's just it was just really cool, you know, listening 301 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: all the you know, the fans, you know kind of 302 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: maybe heckel Norman for getting out driven by a you know, 303 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: a kid. And you know, I know I was never 304 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: really known for being a long hitter at that point, 305 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: and I'm still not, so you know, it was it 306 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: was It's pretty cool how far you can hit a 307 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 2: golf ball with adrenaline. Uh. And and you know, first 308 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: teeth the Masters is kind of the uh, you know, 309 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: the epitome of of you know, trying to control that, 310 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 2: you know, that adrenaline in the emotions. MM. 311 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: So that shot on twelve is uh, you know, you 312 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: hear about the wind so much could tell us a 313 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: little bit, you know, Is it as tough as everybody 314 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: says with the wind. 315 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly is. I kept it out of the 316 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: water both days, which was which was nice. I remember 317 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: in the practice round the month before, I remember being 318 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: so nervous because you know, you've watched The Masters on 319 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: TV for you know, a ton of years, and I 320 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 2: don't remember being nervous in a practice round. And I 321 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: was nervous in a practice round. You know, I get 322 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: up there and and I think I dumped one or 323 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: two in the water, you know, a month before. But yeah, 324 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 2: the winds do swirl. You get you know, you get 325 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: the flag on eleven that that looks like a downwind, 326 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: and you know the wind kind of turns back in 327 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: that corner and comes back into you, and and yeah, 328 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: you have to kind of you got to get a 329 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 2: little lucky. Let's put it that way. I mean, the 330 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 2: green on the left side might be thirteen to fifteen 331 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 2: paces deep, and then and then in the middle it's 332 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: like seven paces deep, and in the right side it's like, 333 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: you know, nine or ten. So you know, it's one club. 334 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: If you miss club by one right or one little, 335 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 2: you take a little too much speed off of a shot, 336 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: or you get a little adrenaline, then you know, that's 337 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: why you see guys go in the back bunker and 338 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: go it is. It is the most challenging one hundred 339 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: and fifty five yard shot that you could imagine because 340 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 2: the green is just it's so shallow from front to back. 341 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: So you alluded to watching a ton of Augusta coverage 342 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: as a kid. What was the thing playing the course 343 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: that was the most different from what you you know, 344 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: thought it was from watching it. 345 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: You know, I think the terrain at Augusta National is 346 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 2: I mean, the drop from the tee to the green 347 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 2: at tenthole, for example, is just unbelievable. You know, you 348 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: certainly can't get a sense of that on you know, 349 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: on television at all. It's it's it's such an amazing 350 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 2: climb and you know, you and down to the twelfth 351 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: green in the thirteenth t area that's kind of the 352 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: low point of the golf course and everything works back 353 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 2: up to the clubhouse from there, and it's I think 354 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 2: the terrain probably is the most significant thing. And then 355 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: you know, then it's just the speed of the greens. 356 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: You don't have any appreciation for how great of putters, 357 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: you know, guys like Ben Crenshaw were and the putt 358 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: that Nicholas made in eighty six on seventeen and you know, 359 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: and even on even on eighteen in eighty six, when 360 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: Nicholas hit that putt from the bottom tier all the 361 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: way up to the top and almost hold it. I mean, 362 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: like that is a really tough putt. And you know, 363 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: the appreciation for those shots you just don't get unless 364 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: you're unless you're there in person and see how much 365 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: how much slopes that there are out there. 366 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: In terms of the tournaments over the years, do you 367 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: still watch a lot of the Masters or most of it? 368 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: Is it? Is it still a ritual for you? 369 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: I watch every minute that I can't I get, you know, 370 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: whether it's streaming online or on television. I mean the Masters, 371 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: you know, as a I mean I'm not only you know, 372 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 2: a professional golfer, I'm a I'm a golf fan. I'm 373 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: a golf nut, and I love I love everything. I mean, 374 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: this this time of year is like I'm like a 375 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: kid in a candy store. Really, I mean, I'm forty 376 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: years old and I still feel you know, those those 377 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: it's that excitement of spring and and you know the 378 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: Masters just really really, you know, gets that out of you. 379 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: Every time, and it's that that, you know, the lead 380 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: up to the Masters is great, and I don't know, 381 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: I personally can't get enough. 382 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: What tournaments and shots do you think don't get spoken 383 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: about enough or forgot? I don't know. 384 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: I mean I think I think they kind of all do. 385 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you go back. I don't know. 386 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: I guess I think of the the you know, the 387 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: eighties into the nineties and and you know, from Sandy 388 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: Lyle hitting a fairway bunker shot and hitting it to 389 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 2: five feet above the hole on the seventy second hole 390 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: and making it, or you know, like, I don't know, 391 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: I think they all get their due really, you know, 392 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. That's that's a that's a tough one 393 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: because there's so there's so many that you get their due. 394 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 2: Probably it's hard to have to say that one. 395 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: Really what was the what hole did you find to 396 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: be kind of the most under the radar great hole 397 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: that you know outside of Amen Corner that you loved. 398 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 2: There's just there's so many. I mean, the greens, like 399 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: getting your approaches into the greens have to be so presite. 400 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: The fairways they mowed them back of the tee and 401 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 2: to have a sand wedge, you know, up to the 402 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: green on number seven for example, off of the super 403 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: tight lie that the grain is mowed right into you. 404 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: It's so hard. I totally can see why why Jordan 405 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 2: Spieth a couple of years ago dumped a couple into 406 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 2: Raysed Creek. You know when he hit when he had 407 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: that layup on number on number twelve, when he hit 408 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: in the water and then he dropped and for uh, 409 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 2: I guess pretty famous, but for bad reasons. But you know, 410 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: the precision needed to hit a wedge shot off of 411 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: off of that tight lie, it's just it's so tough. 412 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 2: I mean, you you hit it a tenth of an 413 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: inch heavy and you're gonna you're gonna look like Jordan Speed. 414 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: I mean it's that it's it doesn't take much at all. 415 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: And you know, any wet you know, just those simple 416 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: web shots or the shots that look simple, like the 417 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: shot on fifteen, you got a downhill lie if you 418 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: lay it up too much down the right side of 419 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 2: the fairway. So that's why you see a lot of 420 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 2: guys lay up left. It's a little bit flatter, flatter 421 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: lie into the green, and you know you just have 422 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 2: to position the ball properly and give yourself the flattest 423 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: lies possible. 424 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: And if you could have one like world class skill 425 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: and you're going to the Masters and you're the best 426 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: in the world, have one aspect of golf, which one 427 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: would you want it to be? To have success at Augusta. 428 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 2: You've got to be a precision iron player. You have 429 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 2: to you have to be able to dial in your 430 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 2: distance so well there because every you know, the difference 431 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: between you know, one or two yards off is dramatic. 432 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 2: You know, like I mentioned about the twelfth fall being 433 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: you know, less than ten yards deep of the green 434 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: on the green in some parts of that green, and 435 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: you know, to get it on the little tiers like 436 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 2: on the thirteenth hole, the pens all the way in 437 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: the back, and you know, you've got an area the 438 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 2: size of a dining room table, it seems like to 439 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: really place your golf ball or else you know it's 440 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: going to go off in the lower areas and the 441 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: low parts of the green. And the precision iron game 442 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: and getting and dialing in your distance I think is crucial. 443 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, also with all the uneven lies and makes hitting 444 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: it the right distance even tougher. 445 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, you get the uneven lies, and like back in 446 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: oh I can't remember late eighties, early nineties, Nick Faldo 447 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 2: beat Ray Floyd in a playoff and Floyd tugged it 448 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: into water on the eleventh hole to lose. To lose, 449 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: Defaldo hit the ball was above his feet and he 450 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: didn't quite calculate that into a shot as much as 451 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: he needed to, and that's why he tugged the ball 452 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: a little bit left. And yeah, you don't get a 453 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: lot of a lot of even lies, Like the thirteenth 454 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 2: hole is a short par five. But I remember, you 455 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: know you have like a I mean for me, I 456 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not Bubba Watson. I don't have wedge 457 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 2: to the green, but you know I had like a 458 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 2: four iron, let's say, and you're hitting it off a 459 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 2: downhill with the ball above your feet, but you're trying 460 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: to hit a high cut with a ball with a 461 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: lie that's telling you you're going to hit a low hook. 462 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: And like, I think that's that's something that you don't 463 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: quite see on TV. I mean, the lies just don't 464 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: always fit the type of shot that you need to play. 465 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 2: Same thing on ten, the tenth hole, the ball kind 466 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: of sits a little above your feet and you really 467 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: need to hit a high cut into that green to 468 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: hold it better. If you hit a draw, it will 469 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: kind of fall off the left. And you know, those 470 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 2: those sorts of little nuances, they totally affect the shot 471 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 2: and can really make the pros look dumb if they 472 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 2: don't quite you know, calculate all those little nuances into 473 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: the into their equation. 474 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's one of those subtle design tricks. 475 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: Everybody always talks about how you how do you make 476 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: a course extremely playable for a fifty a handicap of 477 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: fifteen handicaps never going to recognize like, oh I have 478 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: a hook lie and I need to hit a fade 479 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: into the screen. But for the elite, world class players, 480 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: it's it drives them crazy. 481 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 482 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: Who do you have for going into this week? Who 483 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: who's your pick? 484 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: I don't know, I've got I think I think it's 485 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: very open. I think for for you know, for a 486 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 2: golf fan out there, I think this has got to 487 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 2: be one of the most exciting masters. You know, you 488 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: got Field playing great, You've got Tiger coming back up 489 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 2: and knowing knowing the golf course so well. You got 490 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: McElroy winning recently, at bay Hill. You know, you have 491 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 2: Bubba Watson winning at the Dell Technologies match play a 492 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: week ago. You have a lot of you just have 493 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 2: a lot of great players that are that are really 494 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: playing well right now. Justin Thomas is playing really well, 495 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: you know. So I don't know. I think it's I 496 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: think it's wide open. I think for the if I'm 497 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: a betting man out there, it's hard to pick somebody. 498 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: If I had to pick somebody, I don't know. Left handers, 499 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: they're seeming to do very well at Augusta. You know, 500 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 2: Bubba Watson, even though he might not be a player 501 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 2: favorite inside the ropes, I think Bubba is playing extremely 502 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: well and I would put him pretty high on my 503 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: list for sure. And Michelson's playing great too. So I 504 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: don't know a left handers kind of I don't know. 505 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: I think they have a little bit of an advantage there. 506 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Bubba. One of the things he can 507 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: do is he can almost like manufacture angles because of 508 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: the way he can shape the ball. So you know, 509 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: he might not be in the ideal angle, you know, 510 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: the ideal spot to attack a flag, but he can 511 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: move it so much he can make the angle. 512 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's as creative of a players as there's been 513 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: in the last you know, twenty or thirty years out 514 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: there and moving the ball around like he does. Yeah, look, 515 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 2: wouldn't put it past him to be in a hunt. 516 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: Come back ninth Sunday. 517 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: All right, we've got a tradition of overrated underrated. It's 518 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: not it's not a tradition unlike any other, but it's 519 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: it's our tradition. So uh, I'm going to just throw 520 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: out a couple masters things here and you say, you know, 521 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: if it's overrated or underrated, you can add explanation, but 522 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: it's got to be one of the two. 523 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 2: Okay, all right? 524 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: Pimento cheese sandwiches. 525 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 2: Hmmm. For had one? So I don't know, Can I 526 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: can I talk on that one? Can we come back around? 527 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: Have you never had one? You didn't try one, didn't 528 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: have curate? 529 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I did. No, I don't know. 530 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 2: I think I I don't know if I I don't 531 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: know if I had one at all. But you know 532 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 2: what I would say, I would say, I don't know. 533 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: I'd say I'd say overrated. 534 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: Hey, there's a reason you haven't had one. 535 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: I've got to pick one I would say overrated. 536 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: Driving down Magnolia Lane. 537 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: Underrated it's it's it's you just gotta do it. It's amazing, 538 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: all right. 539 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: The fourteenth hole, that green is difficult. 540 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think it's so, I don't 541 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: know where it's rated, but I would say, I would 542 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: say it's really tough. So let's go underrated there, all right. 543 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: And then the Crow's Nest. 544 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: The Crow's Nest not overrated. I don't know if it's underrated. 545 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: It's just amazing. It's uh, it's like a religious experience 546 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: to stay on the grounds of Augusta National So I 547 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: don't know. It's certainly not overrated. So if I have 548 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: to pick one to be underrated. 549 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: All right, Steve, thanks so much for your time, and 550 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: we're looking forward to a great Masters week and I'm 551 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: sure you'll enjoy it. 552 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I will, thank you Andy for having me on. 553 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: I really appreciate this