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Speaker 1: to hear an episode about Disney's The Little Mermaid, a

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Speaker 1: They are a local Seattle comedian. They're the co host

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Speaker 1: something that I noticed as a five year old and

419
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: never I thought about nothing else. The way his nipple,

420
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: the way his nipples are drawn. First of all, he's

421
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: also hairless, which is like, okay, uh, he's a smooth zaddie.

422
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: But there's no distinct. I'm sure because like Disney things

423
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: that any detailing of the body in a realistic way

424
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: is repulsive. But there's no distinction between nipple and ariola.

425
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: It's just like vague, large blob and you're like so,

426
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: and I remember literally being like so that's what men look.

427
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: They're just sort of a pancake, Like that's my dad. Yeah,

428
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: they're like, oh cool, never seen my dad's shirtless. He's

429
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: a humble man. So now I know, smooth part of

430
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: Disney cannon. Like there's like no moms in Disney movies.

431
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: We'll get there, yeah, yeah, don't worry there. Yeah, mommies

432
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: are canceled. Yeah, he's like the scrappy divorce. He's like,

433
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: I got all these daughters. Yeah, they're up to seven daughters.

434
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: I love to hear, like, oh, I don't know what

435
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: daughters where that movie he's my Lady Gaga's dad and

436
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: a star is born. Ye, He's like, I'm busy us.

437
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: God here, I'm smashing your stuff. Dice can't even handle

438
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: one daughter. Man can give Dice seven. He's gonna screw up.

439
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: Why was Dice in that movie? And you don't know anyway.

440
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: So La is huge and she's trying to kill Eric

441
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: and an Ariel and she the thing is, she gets

442
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: very large, yes, and then Eric takes what used to

443
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: be a Sounken ship and drives it into her pointy

444
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: end first and bursts her and then she dies. Yeah,

445
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: she's also made. She's made to seem like unkillable, what

446
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: with the growing quite large, but then is immediately killed

447
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: right right, right right. Plat and Jackson also die. That's

448
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: why there's no spinoff. They are killed and see them

449
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: in how immediately Yes, And then in the the math

450
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: of all that, Ariel is looking longingly at Eric on

451
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: a beach and try and it's like, wow, she really

452
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: loves him. I have to let her go. And then

453
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: he turns her into triarchal structure to the next turns

454
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: her into human again, and she goes and kisses and

455
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: marries Eric, and that is the story of feminist masterpiece

456
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: The Little Mermaid. So there you have it. And by

457
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: the way, I guess, just as we were talking it

458
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: out now, the ship they get married on is within

459
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: the past few weeks, the third ship that Eric has

460
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: needed to buy rent. Yeah, he's gave me his black X.

461
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: I keeps crashing all these blokes. Prince Eric is a

462
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: magnesis memory. He went to Firefestfest. He's like, oh, ship,

463
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: I put a dred thousand dollars on my fireband. It's

464
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: so fucking embarrassing. He's in the dot like I wanted

465
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: to do body shots on Bellahadi is like for my birthday.

466
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: My wife Ariel let me go. She's super chill, alright. So,

467
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean there are problems that people has been talking

468
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: about for a long time now, the various obvious ones

469
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: where you know, Ariel changes herself and sacrifices basically every

470
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: significant thing about herself so that she can be with

471
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: a man all agency there. Yeah, there's you know, Ariel's

472
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: voice being taken away, and you know she doesn't have

473
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: access to any language that allows her to communicate effectively.

474
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: This is an interesting movie. When we were like setting

475
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: up this episode because we're like the criticism around this

476
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: movie is so well known that to some extent it's like, yeah,

477
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: it's like we all know this, but there's like there's

478
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: but there's more, more, there's more. I feel like one

479
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: of the other more obvious ones is like Eric falling

480
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: in love with her despite not knowing anything about her,

481
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: because again, she cannot communicate in any way. I'm a

482
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: septender and that happens like every ship. Every ship is

483
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: like whoa, I think I love you, I don't know

484
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: anything about you, Like this is so much fun for me,

485
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: Like if only you couldn't talk. So let's dive into

486
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: perhaps some of the intended Where should we start. I

487
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: mean we're tuan. Let's start with Ursula as a mean lesbian. Okay,

488
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: let's do it. There's a lot of queer coding in

489
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: this movie, and I just think like Ursla is the

490
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: most badass person the whole movie. She just like hates

491
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: straight people, like we'll do anything in her power to

492
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: take their power away. Because obviously flatsam jetsam dating like

493
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: balk icons. It's like are they brothers? Were boyfriends? We

494
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: don't know. We don't have to know that they're they're touchy.

495
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: If they're brothers, they're touchy brother they're regularly like the

496
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: skin to skin, they're there. They've got to be dating,

497
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: or they're creepy brothers. And she just wants to ruin.

498
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't want straight people to be happy,

499
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: and I don't want you to be happy, so we're

500
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: gonna make this all your problems. I'm like, you're you're

501
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: a badass. You're a sea witch? Why is that bad?

502
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: Why Disney movies telling kids not to be witches? Also,

503
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: which until Halloween Town when we realized it was actually fine.

504
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: And part of what I noticed on this watch because

505
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I've been I was so brainwashed by this movie is

506
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: that we get really no explanation as to why Ursula

507
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: is not a part. We don't know why is there

508
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: no one else in this story that looks anything like her,

509
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: Like we're like people, right, and there's like so much

510
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: to the point where it's like I feel like implied

511
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: that she's extricated because she's mothered in this way and

512
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: there's not even an attempt. She's just like, well, I

513
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: used to be a part of this, but now I'm not,

514
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: And like there that's all you get, And there's no

515
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: we're just supposed to assume that Triton is right. A

516
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: man is rightly as as demonstrated by everything else he

517
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: does in the movie, He's almost never right. He's not

518
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: a good ruler, nor is he a good father. Like

519
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: there you know, so that had never struck me before.

520
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: Like they're just like, no, this is the villain, and

521
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: this is what a villain looks like, and accept it. Right?

522
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: She did you notice that the like structure that she

523
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: comes out of the first time that she's introduced is

524
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: like this volva, it's just a does she tumble out

525
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: of the magine incredible? She wipes her mouth. She's like,

526
00:34:53,280 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: I was busy, pasty animals. It's like, why does the

527
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: cool fat dike with short hair have to be bad?

528
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm the whole time she's awesome. She's annoyed

529
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: with clearly something I mean right when we just we did.

530
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: We just don't know anything about why she has been banished. No,

531
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: there was probably like a Lilith Fair back in the

532
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: day with other like tentacle lesbians, and then Triton canceled

533
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: it because he wanted to have like Diplo play, but

534
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: where did all the other Tentacle people go? Like, It's

535
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: just I was, I was more frustrated. I mean in

536
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: Ursula is the best most interesting character in the movie

537
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: by far. She's got the best songs, She's got the

538
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: best henchman like Flossom and Jetsam could murder Flounder like there,

539
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: they could kill him like Flounders Fox too, because it's

540
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: like I feel like he's also the trope of like

541
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: dopey fat boy, you know what I mean, where he's

542
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: like chubby and he's like I'm slow, wait up for me.

543
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: It's like wait up for him. Yeah, he's taking his

544
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: time and he and you're also being reckless area out there,

545
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean playing off of that too. It's like, oh,

546
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: he's like a chubby boy character and he's a coward

547
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: like and that's such a pervasive trope with that too.

548
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: It's just like they're scared of everything and blah blah ba,

549
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: and it's like, come on, she cuts all the crust

550
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: off my sandwiches. I don't know if I can go

551
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: in there well. La is also I have a few

552
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: theories that have been testing out on the podcast, so

553
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: you may have heard these before. But movies with female

554
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: villains usually have a female protagonist because I feel like

555
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: it's implied that female villains can't pose much of a

556
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: threat to male protagonists, so this reinforces that theory. Also,

557
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: movies where a female villain makes potions and stuff like

558
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: it is like a subtle way to villainize women in stem. Wow,

559
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: female scientists be dangerous. We see this in Disney movies

560
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: a ton it's even up to as recently as The

561
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Incredibles to where that was a woman in stem and

562
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: a villain. Interesting, and that's so true in every way.

563
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: And it's also like it's like they don't want to

564
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: teach young girls that you should be scared of men,

565
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: and like the patriarchy is bad, so we're gonna put

566
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: like this lady, this fat woman on it, so you

567
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: should like fear body positivity and queerness and like your

568
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: own mother. It's like I don't like it, right, I

569
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: mean yeah, and it and it does like all this

570
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: whole genre movie does so much work to separate women

571
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: from other women, to the point where it's very hard

572
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: to see women even in the same scene where going

573
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: off what you're saying, I mean, this whole movie. And

574
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: this is like said all the time, but it's about

575
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: Ariel being passed off from one patriarch, her dad, and

576
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: just being handed off with his permission to another man

577
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: into like this different heteronormative, oppressive structure and she, you know,

578
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: it's like she is given agency for maybe ten minutes,

579
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: but then the rest is decided and swayed by how

580
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: the men around her act. And in the meantime, any

581
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: woman who is seen acting on her own is acting

582
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: maliciously and acting to take another woman down. And there

583
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,479
Speaker 1: is so much done to us, I think when we're

584
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: young to make other women seem like a threat to Like,

585
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: there's so much done to prevent women from talking to

586
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: each other because then we'll like figure out it's all

587
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: a scam, Like I don't know, but yeah, that is,

588
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: and that's what I friends are women either like none

589
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: of the supporting characters or women. Yeah, they're they're surrounded

590
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: by different men, Like why couldn't founder just like be

591
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: a girl, Why couldn't it be like girl power or

592
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: why couldn't we see what her relationship is with all

593
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: who are like they're who are named in this movie,

594
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: but they're all basically the same they're interchangeable. We know

595
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: nothing about nothing about them. It would have been so

596
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: easy to have two sisters in conflict of like one,

597
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, Ariel wants to go to the surface, one

598
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: sister doesn't think it's a good idea. Like why we're

599
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: like one of her sisters being in like the Sebastian

600
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: role where she's like, I'm tattling on you. Because women

601
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: having jobs in this world, like they're literally in as

602
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: far as we know the Mermaid world, women are performers

603
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: and that's backstage. Yeah, for when Triton wants a little ditty,

604
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: he's like, gals, you know. But yet we don't see

605
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: the sisters interacting with Ariel at all, which is strange

606
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: because whenever she's like, oh but if I become a human,

607
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: I'll never see my father or sisters again. So we

608
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: don't We don't know because here the examples of them

609
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: interacting in the movie. Um, one of them says, Ariel,

610
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: time to come out. You've been in there all morning,

611
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: because you know, women be in the bathroom, and I mean,

612
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: if they're in the sea, isn't it all a bathroom?

613
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: In they'll in a way the bathroom like in the ocean.

614
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: It's a bathroom. Ariel does not respond to this. Uh,

615
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: And then later another sister says what's with her lately?

616
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: And no one responds. So that is the interaction that

617
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: the sisters have with each other and with Ariel. So yeah,

618
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: it annoying a little bit more on like the character design.

619
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: Um so like with Ariel. Okay, you mentioned Jamie, like

620
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: her fish bottom is so low and her just like

621
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: body shape, her proportions like her it's not anatomical No,

622
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: there there was another thing that made the rounds a

623
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, of like, where someone tried to

624
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: render what would a human with those proportions look like.

625
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: It's done with barbies every once in a while as well,

626
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: And it is predictively horrifying. Is the scariest thing you've

627
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: ever seen, just women with gigantic heads. It's like you

628
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: and but had three D. Yeah, I mean it is.

629
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: It is horrifying and designed to make little girls feel

630
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: bad about themselves so that they'll continue to buy products, products,

631
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: products for the rest of theirs. And also she explicitly

632
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 1: says in the movie that she is sixteen years old.

633
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: So the animators are like crazy over sexualizing a teenager,

634
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: I've got some freaky Okay. So the way that this

635
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: this movie is such a comes out at such a

636
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: strange point in time because at the time this came out,

637
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: it was considered of like, wow, a Disney princess is

638
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: allowed to do something. This was progressive at the time

639
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: and came before it. Why well, if we're talking princesses,

640
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: it's like Cinderella being beauties snow white, so truly like there,

641
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: like she's not unconscious, Like what's the problem, Like, shut up, feminist,

642
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: that's the literal bar we're coming in. It is like

643
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: she's awake the whole movie, So can she speak the

644
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: whole movie? No, it's you. They're like, let's give us

645
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: a few years, maybe we'll let her talk, but she

646
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: will be a prisoner. And that movie is Beauty and

647
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: the Beast. But you know that's a feminist next because

648
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: she can read fucking stupid. But the way that people

649
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: reviewed this movie at the time, I mean, much of

650
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: the problem with film criticism is it's so male dominated,

651
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: and in nineteen is even more so. The way people

652
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: right about this cartoon is pornographic. Theys here's an l

653
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: A Times clip Mermaids saucy heroin. Ariel isn't much like

654
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: anderson sad noble sea maid. She's a sexy little honey

655
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: bunch with a double scalloped seashell bra and a mane

656
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: of red hair tossed and tumble out of bed so

657
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: cow style like, so cow style, Like so what is

658
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 1: he talking about? So cow style? What is she longboarding?

659
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: It is discus and then and then put him to

660
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: the Sharks, and then in the Boston Phoenix. Uh, this

661
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: one is uh, let's see, Ariel is sexy as well

662
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: as sympathetic, and Orlando Sentinel, Ariel is sympathetic and in

663
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: her little bikini top rather hot. You're just like everyone. Yeah,

664
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: so you know, just a reminder that straight men are

665
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: scary and always want to cartoons, even when they're teenagers,

666
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: even when I mean, so, the way this character was received,

667
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: and I think in retrospect, like a lot of the

668
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: flag that Ariel receives has a lot to do with

669
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: the way adults viewed and spoke about this character, because

670
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: they're like, what, Disney princesses are hot and I want

671
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: to fund them, now what? And it's like, Okay, that's

672
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: a youth there like that. Yeah, so anyways, per right, right,

673
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: but then what else is the Ariel is supposed to

674
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: wear a shirt, it'll get wet. The option besides double

675
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: scalloped bra like leave her along, I mean, unless we're

676
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: freeing the nipple under the sea, which I would embrace.

677
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: But then like contrast her character design with Ursula for example,

678
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 1: where and this is the case with I would say

679
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: every Disney villain where they're designed with body types that

680
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: do not adhere to like the western conventional western beauty standards,

681
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: to say the least, right, so you know, when children

682
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: are watching these movies and the heroes do would here

683
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: to those standards, and the villains don't, you know, our

684
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: mushy child brains are like doubles down right, It's like then, um,

685
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: you know, thin beautiful people are good and people who

686
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: are not that are bad. I mean, And the same

687
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: goes for like coded sexuality is like hetero people even

688
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: if they're evil, pancake nippled fathers who don't who can't

689
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: like rule it camedom to say, they're fucking they can't

690
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: rule their own penis kingdom. If they're straight, they're probably

691
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: good at their job and they're a great parent. They

692
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: because I think so much with Ursula too, it's like

693
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: because with the way that she's drawn, it's like how

694
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: bad of a thing it is to take up space.

695
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: It's like I would think that there's that too, where

696
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: it's like you like, these men are drawing these women

697
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: to be waves because that's how they want as much

698
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: space for women to take up, you know what I mean,

699
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: they want people to be quiet. But like like you're

700
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: large and you're allowed and you sing songs that are cool,

701
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: then you're bad. And then the thing with Ursula's character

702
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: design that is kind of like stray is from the

703
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: direct criticism a little bit, and there is a lot

704
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: of like gray area to get into with with this

705
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: discussion is that Ursula like canonically was modeled on Divine,

706
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: the drag queen who appeared in all of John Waters films,

707
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: and that was like the creators were pretty upfront about like,

708
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: this is who we designed this character after. And I

709
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: mean in in the gay community to an extent has

710
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: embraced that. And but it's just like the fact that

711
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: that is the option for queer visibility is fucking ridiculous.

712
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's what's so amazing about Divine

713
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: and watching her movies is she is an example of

714
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: being like a fat gay person who is funny, who's radical,

715
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: who's outspoken, who knows what she wants. Everyone loves her

716
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: and if you don't love her, she'll kill you. Where

717
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: like she is Ursla, but like written by gay people.

718
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: Like that's why Divine is so incredible. Where it's like

719
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: when you let queer people write their own stories and

720
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: have their own narratives and they don't get to be

721
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: these like power hungry lesbians who want to eat redheads, right,

722
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: and like that is sometimes what we want to do,

723
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: but it's different and it's better because we said it,

724
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: and you win. Both people win, the red head and

725
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: the fat lesbian. Everyone win. There's a true happy hand

726
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: tank to this movie. Um Yeah. And then another another

727
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: thing worth mentioning is um there is like this weird

728
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: blend between most of the movies writers directors are straight guys.

729
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: But the composer of the songs and also of I

730
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: Think Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast, it was a

731
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: composer named Howard Ashman who was dying of aids throughout

732
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: the writing of the songs for all three of those movies.

733
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: And so there has been stuff. I mean, he never

734
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: said anything about it explicitly in terms of like how

735
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: his illness corresponded to his work, if at all, But

736
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: apparently he would advocate for like, Okay, I want to

737
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: write like a good song for this queer coded character

738
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: because at the time, like that's the only option for

739
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: a queer character to appear is coded and bad. But

740
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: Howard Ashman would write the best song for them? I mean,

741
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it is it is interesting that,

742
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there wasn't an openly queer composer writing all

743
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: these songs that are the best part of all of

744
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: the movies, Like whoever wrote all of shares songs? You

745
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: got to give the people what they want? Uh, So

746
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: you know he's the one penning the slappers. I just

747
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: think it's also so I mean clearly like a doy

748
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: to doy, like men rule everything. But it's like why

749
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: do men rule writing movies for children who are women?

750
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand, Like why do men rule every thing?

751
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: Like why I don't get why women can't even write

752
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: movies for small girls. It doesn't make sense. They're like, no, actually,

753
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: we got this right, because even today they're uncomfortable looking

754
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: because even today, the same writers and directors of this

755
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: movie also were the major creative players of Mowanna, which

756
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: again is a feminist text, so they learned a bit

757
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: from between women forced them to learn was done. Yeah,

758
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: it is. I mean it's it's because all this Disney

759
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: stuff is like, I'm so skull fucked by all of that,

760
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: Like I can't I can't make Hazzard. But but it's

761
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: interesting to see this, you know, the same the same

762
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: directors seventeen years later. At least, even if they don't

763
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: want to, the culture had to force them to move

764
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: forward at least a little bit. Although why aren't women

765
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: allowed to direct Disney movies? Still? Yeah, I'm just not

766
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: really lucky that I never I never had a princess phase,

767
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: and I never liked Disney movies. So I do feel

768
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: grateful for whatever reason. My brain was never like Plato,

769
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: molded by that. But I was like, how can I

770
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: look like Jack Skellington, Like that was my ariel. That's

771
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: a that's a different form of body dysmorphia. Other unrealistic

772
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: bodies I've set for, Like mom, can I have a

773
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: have a straw? Black straw? Cape for Christmas. Please don't

774
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: ask why I wanted to talk a little bit about

775
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: arials agency and lack thereof and her like sense of adventure. Um,

776
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: because she is, as we mentioned, one of the earlier

777
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: Disney princesses that has any sort of agency spur of agency,

778
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: but she uses that agency to make a lot of

779
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: questionable choices. But you know, she's a teenager. We all

780
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 1: were idiots when we were teenagers. And then she also

781
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: has a sense of advance en sure much like the

782
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: other like doesn't renaissance princesses, where you know, Bell is

783
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: like I want so much more than this provincial life.

784
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: And this is the time that the like the literal

785
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: formula for these movies became like fully formed of like

786
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: there's always that song where the princess is allowed to

787
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: want something more, whatever that vague more is. It usually

788
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: isn't a relationship until two minutes later. Yeah, it's like

789
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: Ariel starts as uh character that you know, at least

790
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: there's there's something to her. She wants to learn more

791
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: about this culture she doesn't understand. She's investigating stuff, she's

792
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: collecting stuff, she's seeking out answers. Even if the only

793
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: person she knows is a dumbass seagull, like she there

794
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: was no internet, she couldn't she had to ask a seagull.

795
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: But she is like she is, I think, very active

796
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: and like you know, rebels against her father and starts

797
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: out as like, oh, you know, she's she's rejecting the

798
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: norm of her society. She wants to learn more, and

799
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: then yeah, the second after that statement is made in

800
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: part of your world pretty clearly, she's like listening, here's

801
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: things I'd like to know, and then as far as

802
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: we know, she never learns about. It's like, why couldn't

803
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: she have found like a map, you know what I mean?

804
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, that's what's so frustrating, is like

805
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: this text just manipulates all of our like innate, beautiful

806
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: desires for freedom and like existential quandary. But these guys

807
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: in the writer's room are like, I just can't think

808
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: of anything else she could do that could take her

809
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: on a journey of self awakening. Let's get married at sixteen,

810
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing else she could do, right. The princesses,

811
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: they have these a sense of adventure, but then they

812
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: never go on an adventure because they just meet a

813
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: man two seconds later, and then their adventure becomes they

814
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: literally never go further than like a mile from their house.

815
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: Jasmine doesn't even get to move like Aladda moves into

816
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: her house. It's like it's fucked up. And then I

817
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: wanted to talk out a little bit about just like

818
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: in the climax of the story. This is uh an

819
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: example of a movie where the protagonist does not get

820
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: to participate in the climax, and Ariel is completely sidelined,

821
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: very damseled, because Eric has to step in and like

822
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: kill Ursula and save the day. She does one she

823
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: does one thing at the climax, but she doesn't get

824
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: the conclusive moment that she She's even robbed of the

825
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: moment where she is able to get her own voice back,

826
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 1: like Scuttles, the one who like snatches the necklace. Scuttles

827
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: a dumb bitch, Like how dare he take that from her?

828
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: He doesn't even know what a bark is? All birds

829
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: know what works are, dumbass. Ariel does save a man

830
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: at the beginning, so that is the thing, but that's

831
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: hardly I think that at the time. This is like,

832
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: oh no, she does stuff, but it's all it's like

833
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: empty gestures because she's not even the hero of her

834
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: own story. What she does, which is pretty badasses that

835
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: she blows smog onto that pompous guy's face because she

836
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: like embarrassed a man because that dumbas bird was like

837
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: it's a recorder blow into She got to put like

838
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: tobacco ash in a man's mouth. So I'm like, that's feminist.

839
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: That was powerful, I'll take it, which made me think

840
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: that she kind of ends up becoming like the Born

841
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: Sexy Yesterday type for like at least a little bit

842
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: where when she gets to the human world because she

843
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: like she doesn't know what forks are. The thing is

844
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: the subverts that trope I think is that she quickly learned.

845
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: She like realizes that she's doing it wrong, and like, yeah,

846
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean I I think you're the Born Sexy Yesterday.

847
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: There is something to that for this movie, because we're

848
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: at least there's like some vague like, oh, Eric, you know,

849
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: she's not the girl that he was horny for, but

850
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: he likes her because she doesn't know how to use

851
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: things like and that's a part of the borns. Yeah,

852
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: so that's like the Born Sexy Yesterday think of like

853
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: even though the movie's like, no, he likes her for

854
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: a reason, but it's like the reason he likes her

855
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: is because she's a little baby like right, you see,

856
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: Like there's like this unequal power dynamic between him and her,

857
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: where like the man knows how to conduct himself in

858
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: this world and she does not, and nor does she

859
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: have a voice to express her concerns or ask questions.

860
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: So it's worse even where and and yeah, like the

861
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: moments where Eric looks cool is when he knows how

862
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: to do basic ship, where he's like, oh no, it's

863
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: actually for just like I wish I was just seeing

864
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: where she got to acclimate to all these things that

865
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: she had in her treasure trove that she got to see. Now,

866
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: that would be cool if she, like, I don't know,

867
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: I was like, what's the chair? Like is it a hat?

868
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: Like who knows? Or if there is any moment where

869
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: she got to demonstrate something she knew that he didn't,

870
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: because there's a whole Mermaid. Yeah, there's a whole world

871
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: she's acquainted with that he knows nothing about. But he doesn't,

872
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we guess. I guess part of

873
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: the reason that is is because the second he finds

874
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: out she's a mermaid, he both is like oh, and

875
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: and then the movie is over. So as soon as

876
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: she becomes a human, she can't swim anymore. Remember when

877
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: she dives in the sea to like go after the wedding,

878
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: she would have more powerful arms. But I don't know

879
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: what it's like to be a mermaid. But I think

880
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: it's all core. She I mean, she had her core,

881
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: and she she has legs. That's that's a big part

882
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: of swimming is legs. It's not as good as a

883
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 1: but like flounder has to like swim her to the boat,

884
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: like she can't even swim herself. My boys, Although I

885
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: mean it goes without saying that there's a lot of

886
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: allegedly sexy fish in this movie, however they're none of

887
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: them are as sexy as the fish from This Shape

888
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: of Water, who is still the sexiest fish with the

889
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: firmest ass. Oh, I would say, like second to that

890
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: fish should be Larry the labster from the spot. Oh. Yes,

891
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: top two sexy fish, Yes, sexy crustaceans and Larry icon

892
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: a buff icon. Uh. Can we talk a little bit

893
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: about the romance between Ariel and Eric romance right, Well,

894
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: she sees him and falls instantly in love with him,

895
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: which because movie, because movie, and that's also happens, like

896
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: I can even extend my view this in Scorpion, like

897
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: I can extend like seeing someone being like boiling like sure,

898
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: to an extent, but to the point where you neglect

899
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: what you've spent your whole life building simply Also, she's

900
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: a team Yeah, so there's no time spent developing their

901
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: relationship or establishing reasons why they might like each other.

902
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: It's just like that instant attraction that does happen, sure,

903
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: but it's grounds for a marriage. So yeah, this is

904
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: just it's a movie where the people are close to

905
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: each other and they are attracted to each other, so

906
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: they must get married. Well, another another thing that's mentioned

907
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: a lot in the early Disney Renaissance reviews of this

908
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: movie is oh Eric is the first prince that has

909
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: a personality, which again is like you, he doesn't, although

910
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: he does well recorder Cape, right, so they so recorder

911
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: Cape blouse. So we've got a lot of elements going on.

912
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: And because it's also like even the beginning of the movie,

913
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: like they're the men get to have they get to

914
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: have their storyline where they get to be like funny

915
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: and quirky and like I don't know that what's again

916
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: like the count olaf looking one who's like the old

917
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: Chancellor Grimsby. Also everyone's British except for Eric. I'm like,

918
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't understand this, and the chef from who is

919
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: chef there thinks another there oh yeah, but like Grimsby

920
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: gets to give Eric this like big statue and then

921
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: like that gets to be like their little moment like

922
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: your old that isn't extended to like any woman in

923
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: the where they get to have this expose of personality. Well,

924
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: the thing is like they're they're saying like, oh, Eric

925
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: has a personality, but he really doesn't. But the reason

926
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: they're saying that is again because the bar is so

927
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: fucking low from previous princess movies where there's some there

928
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: it's always love at first sight, but it's like even

929
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: more boring love at first sight, where like the prince

930
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: in Sleeping Beauty is like oh and then he's like man,

931
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: Jesus sleep and he's I gotta go fight a dragon

932
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: but you barely see you like you don't anything. So

933
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: just because Eric is like I don't like statues and

934
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: I play the recorder, They're like, Wow, amazing progress character development?

935
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: Is it not like the other boy? I like the

936
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: other princes. The thing is if a boy, if I

937
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: met a boy when I was sixteen who played the recorder,

938
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: wore capes and brooded, I would I would fuck him.

939
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean, so, you know, there's a lot of different

940
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: ways to view Insure, but I mean, like, because this

941
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: is a manic pixie dream prints kind of he's kind

942
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: of like an emo dream boy at times, but it's

943
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: like he doesn't really have that much of a personality

944
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: and we don't understand, right. And the thing is Ariel

945
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: does have a personality, but he doesn't know that right.

946
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: But you can't talk. Yeah, like this is a movie

947
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: targeted children, and like I under I understand like wanting

948
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: to simplify some thing as complicated as romantic love to

949
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: like cater to your intended audience, but also when you

950
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: do that, it sends very confusing and wrong messages. There

951
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: should be a Disney princess who gets divorced. Yeah, they should,

952
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: like it should start with a marriage that is not

953
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: working out, And she's like, actually, I want to get

954
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: an education. If you like eat, pray, love, but a

955
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: princess eat, pray, princess um. I also wanted to talk

956
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: about the spell and Sebastian's song because the spell that

957
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: our Sila puts on Ariel means that like she must

958
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: be kissed. So what means like a woman can't be

959
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: active in her own sexuality, like she has to wait

960
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: to be kissed. H And also the consent gets murky

961
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: true because like, yeah, the story requires her to need

962
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: to be kissed, but what if she's not ready? She

963
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: is six ten after Sebastian. There's like a bridge in

964
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: the song where Sebastian like explains basic consent definitely needs

965
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 1: like of course you're going to need a firm Yes,

966
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm Sebastian instead him right yeah, because he says Ariel

967
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: and Eric's like, oh, I speak crap, So maybe he

968
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: does have a personality. Maybe maybe because the lyrics of

969
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: the song are actually this. Sebastian is like, you should

970
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: kiss the girl, and he says possible she wanted to.

971
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: There is one way to ask her it don't take

972
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: a word, not a single word, go on and kiss

973
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: the girl. So it encourages not to check in with

974
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: a girl to see who she wants to be kissed. Also,

975
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: just like informs that teen urgency too, because we all

976
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: think that we have to like kiss or make out

977
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: or like have sex from this like wildly young age

978
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 1: that were even aware of any of these things, where

979
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: it like really praise on the insecurity that you won't

980
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: be valid unless you're kissed and you got three days

981
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: to do it or you'll die, right, like your life

982
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: is ruined if you don't get approval from this man,

983
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: which is entirely maybe like what if Eric wasn't what

984
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:23,959
Speaker 1: if Eric wanted to take things slow and then Ariel died? Right, yeah,

985
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: it's bad for for everyone. This mean like I have

986
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: three days until prom I haven't had sex. I'm gonna die.

987
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: But it no, it's not even that you'll die. It's

988
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: that is that someone you barely know will die. Yeah,

989
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: because because what if Eric was like, man, I just

990
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: like we need to also like to hear her talk.

991
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: We know, like yeah, it's like Ariel could write something down.

992
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean we know she can write canonically, she can

993
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: write because she signed her name on the contract. So

994
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: there give the lady a quill, like right, she could

995
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: have expressed this. I don't know. I don't know. This

996
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: movie is a mess. And also it's so short, like

997
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: we were talking about sexstage that the movie is seventy

998
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: minutes long. You had like at least another really like

999
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: any of this down, so it wasn't just like we're

1000
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: going to take a woman's complete agency away so she

1001
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: can't be a scientist. Women's insecurity the end, right like

1002
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: you had twenty minutes. Also, it's announced that Eric is

1003
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: getting married, and then Ariel thinks that it's her that

1004
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: he's getting She wasn't asked, no one, you know that

1005
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: it was not discussed, but she's like, yep, it's me,

1006
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: and she's stoked and she's so she's like, oh, I

1007
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: guess he decided last night that he wants to marry me,

1008
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: so legally I must a dog he was just going

1009
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: to marry someone else because she could hit like Mariah

1010
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: Carey whistletones. It's it's implied that it's a curse. But

1011
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: that's also like trouble of implying that, like I mean,

1012
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: and this is like goes back forever of like men

1013
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 1: saying like oh she tricked me into doing like how

1014
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: men you know, often in movies, especially movies of this

1015
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: era will say like, oh, she tricked me into marrying her,

1016
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't actually want to marry her, but she

1017
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: tricked And that is literally what we see happen of

1018
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: he is put under a spell and then gets married.

1019
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: It's just you know, another way men can offload regret

1020
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: onto women. Yeah, like the like a queer coded character, Uh,

1021
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: we've already been conditioned to hate also tricked a man

1022
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: into marrying her when she was bad. It's like it's

1023
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: just bad. Yeah. I don't know if this is worth

1024
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: talking about, but this movie presents the idea that Ariel

1025
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 1: needs to be under constant supervision because she's like a

1026
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: rascally and Sebastian says, someone should now that girls fins

1027
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: to the floor. Yep. Like when I was a teenager,

1028
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: my parents were way more strict with me than with

1029
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 1: my brother because there's like, yeah, it's the idea that like, oh,

1030
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: boys they're allowed to go out and like you know,

1031
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: make mistakes, misbehave because like boys will be boys dump off.

1032
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: The girls have to be you know, well behaved. And

1033
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: I feel like this is an example that perpetuates that, yeah,

1034
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: girl doesn't have like there's no matriarch figure that is

1035
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: positive like a mom. It's just like back to King

1036
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: Chrain and just being by himself, like me and all

1037
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: these daughters. Where there's that too, where he's like, I

1038
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with my daughters, so I

1039
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: have to break all of her things and watch her

1040
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: all the time, right, Like the his solution to not

1041
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: knowing how to parent someone is to just oppress them

1042
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: and make sure that they don't stray outside the norm

1043
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: at all, because he's like, well, I don't know how

1044
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: to deal with anything but this one thing I know.

1045
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: So if you don't do that, you're canceling. It would

1046
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: be a really good scene if Erirol would be able

1047
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: to talk to her sisters and be like, jeez, Dad's

1048
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: kind of a dick, right right, because I'm like, are

1049
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: they just cool with him? Like I mean, I mean

1050
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: that transitions really well into the whole like lack of

1051
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: matriarch discussion and like the way Disney treats mothers and

1052
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: motherhood in this very bizarre way up until very recently

1053
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: and then still sometimes not well. But this is an

1054
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: example of a movie that most of the Renaissance movies

1055
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: subscribe to this exact because all the Renaissance movies aren't

1056
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,439
Speaker 1: the same where it's like a single father, the mother

1057
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: is dead and not addressed. We don't know what happened,

1058
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: where there's no and there's no matriarch figure in her life.

1059
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: The same for Jasmine, the same for Bell, the same

1060
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: for pocahonas I believe as well, there it Mulan has

1061
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: a mom, yeah, but she doesn't get to do much.

1062
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: And Grandma, Yeah, Mulan's grandma was like incredible, but I

1063
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: can't can Horny Grandma horn and Grandma Horny, Grandma Lashtag

1064
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: Horney and Grandma, which is a trope, but I don't

1065
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: always hate it, but this one lacks a maternal figure

1066
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: at all. But in other and earlier iterations of like

1067
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: the previous generation of Disney princesses had maternal figures and

1068
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: they were evil, where Snow White and Cinderella have evil stepmothers,

1069
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: and the implication there always tends to be of like,

1070
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: if you are uh mother who is not a biological mother,

1071
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: you cannot love a child as purely as a biological

1072
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: mother could, which is of course fucking ridiculous. But it's

1073
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: just so insidious that from like conception, from like the

1074
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: Jomp that we were able to look at anything and

1075
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: understand in any sort of like cultural way, Like we're

1076
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: just taught from the start from these movies that we

1077
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: have to hate other women. Like that's all these men

1078
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: want to do, and that's why they want to write

1079
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: these movies where it's like we're gonna make all of

1080
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: these insidious plot points that you will never have a

1081
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: girl gang ever, he'll never be a girl boss. Yeah,

1082
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 1: And there's I mean, and the like the solution to

1083
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: defeating a woman is always a man, and like having

1084
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: a man in your life to help you defeat the

1085
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:24,480
Speaker 1: only other woman you've met, which is just it's it's horrible,

1086
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: it's horrible. There's yeah. And then if we're talking about

1087
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: King Triton, I mean, he's the worst Disney father to me,

1088
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 1: because you know, Maurice Bell's dad, he's a shitty inventor, right,

1089
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: so he's like incompetent, but like so are many fathers, right, Uh,

1090
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: Triton is genuinely a bad person. I mean, we know

1091
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: he's a bad person. He destroys her ship, he totally

1092
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: limits everything she can do, but he's also made out

1093
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: to look sympathetic and by the end, we get that

1094
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: moment where she's like, I love you, daddy, and she's not.

1095
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: You know, we don't get to see that conflict play

1096
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: out where there's this huge conflict between them. He destroys

1097
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: everything she owns, she's devastated. She rebels against him by

1098
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: selling her body to Ursula, and then it's chill. It's

1099
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: chill later on. And the fact that you know, we

1100
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: have we're coming off of this whole history of evil

1101
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: stepmothers going into this movie and we see a father

1102
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: act like an evil stepmother would, but then we're supposed

1103
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, but he's trying his best. He

1104
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:36,839
Speaker 1: has abs, they're like pancake nipples, doesn't get his daughter,

1105
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: So it's okay that abusive selling body. And now there's

1106
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: kind of like an anti sex work element to this too,

1107
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: where it's like, I feel like they really give her

1108
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: this like evil like I own a brothel vibe as well,

1109
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: where she like owns all of these people. But it's

1110
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: like Trieden's a king. He owns people too. Yeah, And

1111
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, and we don't get to really see him

1112
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: do anything. They're input on a little show for his

1113
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 1: daughter's who I'm assuming are unpaid for that game. Hey, artists. Also,

1114
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: Triton does not check in with Arial to see if

1115
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: she wants to be turned back into a human. He

1116
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: just does it, like what if she didn't like being

1117
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 1: a human, Like what if she's three days she's like, no,

1118
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: I actually I'm gonna go back, like she went on

1119
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: like human rum Springer. Basically, I was like, no, I

1120
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: do want to return to my people community. And then

1121
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: he was just like, oh, she's looking at a human,

1122
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: so better turn her back into one. Like and then

1123
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: the fact that she can only become a human, why

1124
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: is he the only person who has that power and ability?

1125
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: We saw Ursula has the ingredients. It can clearly be

1126
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: done without your fucking penis stick. They carries around like

1127
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: it can clearly be done, and she's smart enough we're

1128
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: led to believe to be able to make it happen herself,

1129
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: but she just never like siblings they have. I feel

1130
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: like I've read Lord to that fire powers, right, I mean,

1131
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: they're the only two people who can do jack ship.

1132
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: Are they like twins? I don't know, I don't know.

1133
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean I wish we just knew more about Ursula's

1134
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: background at all. We just don't know anything about totally

1135
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: because that would make sense, Like why are they that

1136
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: both people who are able to do all this like

1137
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: wacky incredible powerful magic. So one's good and one's bad.

1138
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing. But like when when the

1139
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: woman does it, it's actually bad. They do they literally

1140
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: do the same spell, but but when Tritton does it,

1141
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: it's actually good. And I wanted to just cover your

1142
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: little little context stuff really quick. Where this is one

1143
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: of the many Disney movies that's adapted from very old

1144
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: folk tale by Holms Christian Anderson ever heard of him?

1145
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: And uh, the adaptation of this, I mean this is

1146
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,799
Speaker 1: like fairly common knowledge. But the way the Little Mermaid

1147
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: ends in the story is that she turns, you know,

1148
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: she realizes that she is never going to be a

1149
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 1: part of the human world in a meaningful way because

1150
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: she is a mermaid. And she turns into cea foam

1151
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,839
Speaker 1: and dies. Uh so she turns into a big pyla

1152
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: come she foams okay, also does foamy and then she died. Also,

1153
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: I like really quick backtracking big pre foam is that

1154
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: like this the scene or ursula becomes massive, she has

1155
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: like does a giant sea queef when everything just turns

1156
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 1: like blow she sludge underneath her, and I'm like, that's

1157
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: supposed to be bad. She anchored herself and it's incredible. Um.

1158
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: So the Hans Christian Anderson story ends very differently. Something

1159
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: I learned when I was researching this episode is that

1160
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 1: there is a lot of queer coding in Hans Christian

1161
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: Andersen stories that I wasn't aware of. Um Because at

1162
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: the time of Hans Christian Anderson, being queer was illegal.

1163
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: So he was a queer man, which was found in

1164
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: many of his letters. He had affairs with men that

1165
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: were expressed through letters, and there was a particular affair

1166
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: he had with a higher class, a man of a

1167
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: higher class than he was, who ended up having to

1168
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: marry a woman of a higher class because hetero, etcetera.

1169
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,759
Speaker 1: And so this is a part of his personal history

1170
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: and a lot of the interpretation around it is that

1171
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: the little roommaid was this expression of Hans Christian Anderson

1172
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: is Ariel um or who is Ariel in the movie? Uh,

1173
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: The object of his affection is eric Um. And so see,

1174
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: turning into c foam at the end is basically just

1175
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: and queer relationships aren't allowed, so I have to turn

1176
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: into foam emotionally, So there there is I know, shout,

1177
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: we gotta all, you know, take a shot for Hans

1178
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: tonight because he had it right, I mean. And and

1179
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: it is interesting like reading about queer literate or of

1180
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: like you have to really code in and metaphor on

1181
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: metaphor on metaphor to be able to discuss an issue

1182
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 1: like this at all, because if you just were queer,

1183
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: he would not be allowed to be, you know, working

1184
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: in any capacity. And so um, I don't know like

1185
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: learning that really and I don't think that that of

1186
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: reading of it is taken into account in the Disney

1187
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: adaptation at all, but I did. I did find it

1188
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: to be like an interesting example of how queer artists

1189
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: had to express themselves at this time in order to

1190
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: express literally anything. Yeah, that's really interesting context shout shouts

1191
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: out to this biopic. Ya, this is the one. I

1192
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: don't know, there is good what's it called? Well, I

1193
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: hope it's not Christians Christian. Christian sounds like another guy

1194
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,560
Speaker 1: who would blackout at a party all the time. I

1195
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: feel like journey um. But yeah, yeah, so it's it's

1196
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: interesting that there are so many are not so many,

1197
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: I guess too. Uh, queer artists. Uh there where you

1198
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: know Hans Christnaars and Reds the original story and then

1199
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: it's adapted with all this incredible music by Howard Ashman,

1200
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: but it's still you know, ends up being an incredibly oppressive,

1201
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: heteronormative piece that uh you know has been decimating the

1202
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: lives of children for going on thirty years. Indeed, tes incredible.

1203
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: Does anyone have any other final thoughts? Let me check

1204
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: my note here. Note talked about the Sea Queef. So

1205
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: I just wish that this story what could have been

1206
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 1: written with like Ariela is like a riot girl. That's

1207
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: like what I because like we're weren't watching the We're

1208
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: near Olympia where that I just feel like they have

1209
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: that so close where it's like such a cool story

1210
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,600
Speaker 1: to talk about being sixteen and like hating everything and

1211
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: wanting to swim to the surface and like pick up

1212
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: a cool rock you found near a train track and

1213
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: added your collection and like see if it's a crystal

1214
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 1: maybe who knows. But instead they had to make it patriarchy.

1215
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 1: I just like want there to be retribution for Ariel

1216
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: and like have her sing in a band called like

1217
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 1: clitteral Attack or something. Click yeah, everything has to be seen.

1218
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 1: Were like c microphone. When she sat in her sea

1219
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: chair and ate sea food. She had sea bugles for

1220
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: a sea snack. I just wanted to say that there

1221
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: is a line that Scuttle says, um, look with the

1222
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: catfish dragged in, and I just want to say that

1223
01:17:53,000 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 1: cat fish have zero nipples, and that's at fish fact

1224
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:10,560
Speaker 1: with Caitlin Um. I would like to say that Alfred

1225
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: Molina could have played any part in this movie because

1226
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: he's a versatile character actor who we know and love.

1227
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, my close friend at this point, Uh, Alfred Realina,

1228
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: he has laid eyes on my face, I would say,

1229
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm just channeling him, my close friend.

1230
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: I would say that he received the script for this

1231
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 1: movie and wrote back a long letter explaining that actually

1232
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: this was a story by a queer author and that

1233
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't seeing any of those tones represented, and so

1234
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: he refuses to participate, even for seventy five million dollars.

1235
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: What a story. I think it's not a story, it's

1236
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: the truth true. So out out to icon out. Let's

1237
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,640
Speaker 1: take some questions or comments from the crowd. If you

1238
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: have something, come on up so that you can talk

1239
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: into the mic. Does anyone have yeah, come on up, Hi,

1240
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: what's your name? Hi? I just want to take a

1241
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: second to cape for or to like record or cape

1242
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: for Ursula as feminist icon because even as like a

1243
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: straight little girl, I was like yes, because she like

1244
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: is trying to topple the patriarchy. She runs her own business,

1245
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: she has employees, she's obviously in charge of legal, like

1246
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 1: she's drawn up which neither of the two heroes we

1247
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: see signing a contract even look at. But we're like, yeah,

1248
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: that's cool, Like she's trying to disclose everything to them,

1249
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: and she's like, by the way, no one up top

1250
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: is gonna want to hear you talk in arials like chill,

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01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 1: and then she just signs a thing. By the whole time,

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01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 1: Ursula is just like trying to run her business. She's

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01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: above board, she really is. That's right. She's done a

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Speaker 1: four one K Yeah. Yeah, no, we came up. We

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01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: have like a headcanon now that like because she's the witch.

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01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:09,640
Speaker 1: We were like, oh, maybe she was like the c

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01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: medicine woman and maybe she was the Sea do La

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01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: and that's why Ariel's mom is dead and why tried

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01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: and kicked her out of the ocean. That's why she's

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01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: so mad that thank you I have that shirt. That's

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01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 1: a great point about there is a plot point in

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Speaker 1: this movie where it's just like, no, sorry, it's illegally

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Speaker 1: binding document. You're like, okay, weird moment to adhere to

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Speaker 1: the rules of the real world. Any any other questions

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01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:50,640
Speaker 1: comments come up? Hi, My concept of Ursula is a

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Speaker 1: little bit more sexual. But I have two concepts or theories.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, what happens to the wedding guests, possibly

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01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:03,879
Speaker 1: when Pursla becomes really huge, is like a Titanic reference

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01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: where everyone's actually drowning in the water while this whole

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01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,879
Speaker 1: scene is happening, but we don't see that Titanic element

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01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: where none there were not enough lifeboats on that boat,

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Speaker 1: exactly unbelievable. The other theory that I have is that

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Speaker 1: King Triton actually killed Ariel's mom because Ursula was doing

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01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: some weird tentacle like sexual beautiful things with Arrow's moms.

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Speaker 1: So that's why Ursula turns him into a turret at

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01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,240
Speaker 1: the end, you know, because she that she's trying to

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01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,839
Speaker 1: take back what was her kingdom, which was a big,

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01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, lesbian kingdom. Yeah. Wow, cannon cannon. Ursla is

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01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: just trying to topple the Dick Palace, the literal Dick

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01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: Palace and turned into a quefdom. Yeah, we had someone

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01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 1: else if you're yeah, so, I just want to say

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01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:09,679
Speaker 1: Ursula has like several hundred lost souls trapped in her cave.

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01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: And like, I think this is just further evidence that

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01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: Trying is a terrible ruler, because I feel like there's

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01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: not that many people in the sea. Like if if

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01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: like half the people in this room disappear and all

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01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I feel like I would look around

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01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, maybe some people left. But he's

1289
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: just like this several people who I've never seen again

1290
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: and who are so yeah. And he also seems to

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01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 1: know where she lives. Hi Larry turned now And clearly

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01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: they're like a lot of people dissatisfied with their lives

1293
01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: that are like taking drastic legal legal measures to like

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01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: try and find a better life. But they're just like no,

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01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: and King Traydon has like no feelings about any of

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01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: these people who have just left left his kingdom for

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01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 1: to try and better themselves. God Trying is liked is

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01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 1: turned to my all my daughter, Uh we we had

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Speaker 1: we had another another question up here. I just wanted

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01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: to say that, Um, there's not only a demonization of

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01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: queer coded characters, but of Octopi. True quick in defensive Octopi.

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01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 1: They are incredible carreactakers. When a female octopus gives birth,

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01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: she lays all of her eggs and then stays with them,

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01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: caring for them until she dies as a sacrifice. So

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01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 1: quick defense of Octopy. Thank you? Are you a woman

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01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 1: in stamp? Wow? Paternal icons brave. Yeah. To further talk

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01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: about Ursula, Um, this movie, this movie does pass the

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01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: loftist test. Yes, it does. Well. This woman in Charge

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01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: it does, thank god, honest woman in charge. She is

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01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: the baldest woman and she is truly in charge. Wow.

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01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: I think we have time for one more. If there's

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01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,559
Speaker 1: one more. Um to your point that like Ursula and

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01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: Triton were like siblings. I googled it once the lights

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01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: came up. They're like confirmed siblings. It was like part

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01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: of the original screenplay was that they were siblings. And

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01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: you know her like little shell that she wears, that

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01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 1: was like her source of power, and Triton got the

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01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: trident and she got banished because like she was trying

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01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: to be too greedy because they got like two halves

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01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: of the kingdom. And so he was like, you're too

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01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 1: opinionated and you have too much power. Yeah, you get

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01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 1: to banish her then, like you're you're not better? Was

1323
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: doing good signing contracts. She's a lawyer. Now, if that

1324
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: person's points right, then Ursula was sleeping with trite with

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01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: a hit with her brother's wife. I mean, honestly, imagine

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01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 1: if you're like sister, who is a lawyer and smarter

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01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 1: than you, started hooking up with your wife, you'd be like,

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01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 1: oh my god, I also love thank you so much? Right,

1329
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: was like, actually, they're all I love. Everyone's unhinged. Yeah,

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01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 1: that's what I do. Though, like Ursula, she probably didn't

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01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 1: want more power than him or and like she wasn't

1332
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: being greedy, she just wanted equal power. And he's like

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01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: you you're banished, right, but he shouldn't be in theory,

1334
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 1: if they have equal power, why would he be able

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01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 1: to manage her to to like Vagina k patriarchy. And

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01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: also it looks like Ursula's like area is the same

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01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: size as the kingdom, where as you pointed out, like

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01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: fourteen people, she's storing a lot of souls he's in

1339
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: charge of like a private school, second grade class. She

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01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't Marie condo her soul storage. Should we decide if

1341
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: it passes the Bechtel test? No, no, you know, but

1342
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: you sure right, because even the few conversations are like

1343
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 1: exchanges between Ariel and Ursula that technically may pass because

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01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 1: a man's name isn't mentioned, because there's like there's a

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01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: line where like Ursua is like, the only thing is

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01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: to become a human yourself, and then she's like, can

1347
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: you do that? But the context is all about a

1348
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: man and changing ariels whole self to be with a man.

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01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: The one exchange I found that may pass is bad.

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01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: It's towards the very end where Ursula is about to

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01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: do the death quiff and Ariel says, you monster, and

1352
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: Ursula says, don't mess with me, you little brat. So so,

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01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 1: you know, an iconic change, that was the one maybe

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01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: I was able to find interesting. That's an excerpt with

1355
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: me talking to my mom in high school. You monster,

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01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:18,440
Speaker 1: I feel like because Ursula's whole goal is to overthrow

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01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: and steal the power of Triton, which she rightfully like

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01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 1: that was She's just trying to topple the patriarchy. So yeah,

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01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 1: and then and then Eric stabbed her poor Ursula. Yeah,

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01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: I would. I'm okay with saying that's a pass that

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01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: I think that that is somehow a pass because she

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01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: is kind of It's still contextually about a man, but

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01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 1: it's about overthrowing a man. So please disregard everything we've

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01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 1: just said. The Bechtel test is a perfect metric and

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01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 1: it passes to feminist text. Shall we give him give

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01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: it nipples? Yeah, let's on our nipple scale zero to

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01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: five nipples. Based on its portrayal of women, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with a half nipple. I think more of an Ariola.

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01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: It is definitely a king Triton pancake Ariola. Yeah. I

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01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 1: mean between any like semblance of agency and like sense

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01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: of adventure that Ariel is given is immediately taken away

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Speaker 1: from her. The whole story is about her sacrificing, you know,

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01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:37,719
Speaker 1: herself and everything about herself to be with a man.

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01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: All of the character design that is damaging, all of

1375
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: the queer coding that's damaging everything about it is not good.

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01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: But I have to give it a half nipple for

1377
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 1: the song, Poor Unfortunate Souls. So that's that. Uh but yeah,

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01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 1: so half nipple will go to Ursula. Yeah, I'll give

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01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: it a half nipple as well. And just to add

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01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: to that, it is like frustrating to uh see uh

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01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,639
Speaker 1: female character in spite of all the like negative physical

1382
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 1: things that are happening in the character design and all that,

1383
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 1: but to have a female characters set up with a

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01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: personality with an interest that isn't a heterosexual relationship and

1385
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: like setting up here's gonna be a cool character that

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01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:28,200
Speaker 1: we can root for and then literally remove all of

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01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: it and then to a point and when you see it,

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01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 1: when you're young enough, you don't even realize that that's

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01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: what's happening. Um. So that made me sad. Half nipple

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01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: because Ursula and I'm giving it to Flats, Um sure,

1391
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 1: because I don't think eels have nipples and I would

1392
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: like to give them a shot. Maybe the person who

1393
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:57,759
Speaker 1: knows a lot about octopuses, do eels have nipples? Confirmed? Um? Yeah? Same?

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01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 1: Like half to full to one nipple. I think it's

1395
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 1: like the only to me cool thing about this movie

1396
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: is that Ursula is so badass, and I think it's

1397
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,600
Speaker 1: really cool twenty nineteen to have this like resurgence of

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01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:14,640
Speaker 1: queers and allies alike who understand like how radical she is,

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01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: like even within how unfortunately she was portrayed in this movie.

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01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 1: But to now have this like icon of like fat

1401
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: Dike who like is a lawyer and someone has now

1402
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 1: pointed out to us like anachemist, like and like pays

1403
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: her own bills, like pays the rent, like mortgage, like

1404
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: on top of it, like good credit score, like to

1405
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: just have her to exist in all of our cannons

1406
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,519
Speaker 1: and all of our cultural understandings of Disney. To me,

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01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: it's like that gives it the one. But that's because

1408
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 1: of us, not because of them, Like we gave her that. Yeah,

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01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: what would you like to give your nipple too? Oh

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01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:00,240
Speaker 1: all right, I got carried away. Um it sounded like

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01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: a threat the way I'm gonna give my one nipple

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01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: to the woman who give aerial to bath. Oh. Yes,

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01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 1: another character who we get to sort of meat, but

1414
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: we never get to get to know her as well

1415
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: as literally any man we made at any point in

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01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: the story. But she seems nurturing. I don't know she

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01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: does bathe a nude stranger. I don't know what the

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01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: customs in this country a sure go sure, Well that's

1419
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 1: the damn show. Get up yourselves, got up for Clara, Clara?

1420
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Speaker 1: Where can people follow you? What would you like to plug? Um?

1421
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Speaker 1: You can follow me on Instagram at real Chris Angel.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get crossover fans and that's c R

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Speaker 1: I S. S. Angel Real Chris Angel. Please follow me.

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01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 1: He's furious awesome. Thank you again for coming. Good night.

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01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 1: So that was the episode. It was so so so

1426
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: much fun. Thank you to everyone who was there. It

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01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: was packed shell, Yes, so much fun. Just a couple

1428
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 1: quick notes. Uh, we did the like Q and A

1429
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 1: at the end, little you know, audience questions and comments

1430
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, but the audio quality some of the

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01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 1: people they couldn't make it up to the stage to

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01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: talk into the mic. So there were a couple of

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Speaker 1: people whose questions comments we had to cut because just

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Speaker 1: the audio didn't pick up on the recording. Our apologies

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01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 1: go out to you if you had your comment cut.

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01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 1: One of them to our houses kill us. So one

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01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 1: was defending Scuttle. I was there for it. I was

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01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: I was fully there for yes, we we we we

1439
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,839
Speaker 1: were sorry. We came down so hard on Scuttle. Shouts, shouts,

1440
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: out to the scuttle sand. We were put in our place,

1441
01:32:57,120 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: Yes indeed. And then another one was a mother who

1442
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 1: said she recently watched the movie with her young daughter

1443
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,200
Speaker 1: and just was horrified at the messages that the movie

1444
01:33:07,240 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 1: was sending and how her daughter was struggling to understand

1445
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: what was wrong with the movie because all of this

1446
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 1: like patriarchal ideas being implanted into the minds of like

1447
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, starting with they get the kids young

1448
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: with the patriarchy, but shouts out to Seattle mom, who

1449
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: was doing the work getting out in front of it,

1450
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: crushing the patriarchy in advance. Yes, indeed. And then the

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01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: last really quick thing was that, Um, I was talking

1452
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: to Joan Ford, a friend of the cast. Are on

1453
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: our Scream episodes, so if you haven't listened, and go

1454
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: back and listen, And I told her that we had

1455
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 1: recorded a Little Mermaid episode and she asked if we

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01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: had talked about the interpretation of the movie as a

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Speaker 1: trans narrative at all, right, and there's so there are

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Speaker 1: so many fascinating different interpretations of a movie. Um and yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I said, I said I didn't. I didn't think we did.

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Speaker 1: But would you mind sharing your thoughts, and she said,

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Speaker 1: I'll just go ahead and read it here. Um as

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Speaker 1: I've transitioned, I've come to think of Ariel as sort

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Speaker 1: of a trans icon. The parallels are pretty clear. She

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Speaker 1: was born into one body, but feels like she belongs

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Speaker 1: in another and does the work to make that transformation happen. Sure,

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Speaker 1: she makes some bad choices along the way, but the

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Speaker 1: road to realizing your true self is usually a rocky one,

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Speaker 1: especially if you have a family that doesn't accept you

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Speaker 1: and you're forced to figure out stuff on your own.

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Speaker 1: In parentheses, writing this, I'm realizing we should be celebrating

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Speaker 1: Sebastian and Flounder as Cinema's original trans allies. Sebastian takes

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Speaker 1: a little longer to get on board, but he really

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Speaker 1: redeems himself during Kiss the Girl. Anyways, That's why I

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Speaker 1: take issue with the aerial changes herself to be with

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Speaker 1: a man narrative that critics tend to impose on the movie.

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Speaker 1: Ariel wants to be human from moment one. She sings

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Speaker 1: part of your World her trans anthem, long before she

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Speaker 1: ever sets eyes on Prince Eric. Eric maybe the catalyst

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Speaker 1: that finally gets her to take action and go see Ursula,

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Speaker 1: But that decision is all rioted in her long held

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Speaker 1: conviction that she wants to be where the people are.

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Speaker 1: Whether or not Eric is worthy of her, it is

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Speaker 1: kind of beside the point to me, as I think

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Speaker 1: it's pretty common for kids to latch on to new

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Speaker 1: people when they're going through this kind of big self realization.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they're going to be together forever. Maybe she moves

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Speaker 1: on when she realizes the world is huge and there

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Speaker 1: are so many more humans out of the sea. The

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Speaker 1: important thing is that he was there, offering her that

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Speaker 1: possibility of a new and different life when she needed it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then again in parentheses, she says, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I know him being kind of generous about Ariel's options

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Speaker 1: as a woman in the eighteen hundreds. But whatever, it's

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Speaker 1: a fantasy. If a Mermaikan girl legs, then I think

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Speaker 1: it's also fair to think she can have an amicable divorce. Also,

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Speaker 1: anyone who thinks giving up your voice to a sea,

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Speaker 1: which is rough, should try getting hormone replacement therapy through

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Speaker 1: Kaiser Permanent If you don't know what Kiser permanente, as

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Speaker 1: it's like a healthier facility in California, She said, they

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Speaker 1: make you jump through so many hoops. I wish I

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Speaker 1: knew a c which who could have cut me that

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Speaker 1: straightforward of a deal. So that's what John said. So

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a really um awesome interpretation of

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Speaker 1: the movie. Uh. And then I was just chatting with

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Speaker 1: her a little bit after that, and we agreed that

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Speaker 1: that was more than likely not any of the intentions

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Speaker 1: of the filmmakers to try to create this like allegorical transnarative,

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Speaker 1: but that's what fantasies are for, and that's why we

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Speaker 1: got to discuss so many different interpretations of it in

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Speaker 1: the episode as well. I'm so glad that she let

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Speaker 1: us know because that tracks. Um, I don't know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: as as problematic as these um old fairy tales tend

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01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 1: to be, there are always a million different ways to

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Speaker 1: see yourself inside of them, and which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: probably why they're they're still around. I love that, Yeah, John,

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Speaker 1: John and everything. Yes, follow her. You can check her

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Speaker 1: out on Instagram at Joan Hayley Ford and read her

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Speaker 1: book as well. Yes, indeed. So yeah, that's just the

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Speaker 1: kind of the after the footnotes, No, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: to channel Miles Gray that we wanted to increase that

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Speaker 1: we wanted to include on this episode. And then also

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Speaker 1: just to say thanks again to our guest of the show,

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Speaker 1: Clara Pluton. We wanted to say thanks again to the

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Speaker 1: jewel Box Theater at the Rendezvous in Seattle for having us,

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Speaker 1: and thank you to everyone who came. It really was

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Speaker 1: such a fun um a couple of shows that we

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Speaker 1: did there and we will be back. I got that

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Speaker 1: was the show where someone brought me on Mike's hard

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Speaker 1: lemonade uh light lamp. Whoa wait, yeah, like, oh I

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Speaker 1: heard Mike's hard lemonade light and I thought of like

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Speaker 1: crystal light, like diet on powder, like a bud light

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Speaker 1: kind of thing. I wish they made it like cocaine

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Speaker 1: for him, but they do not yet. Um, yes it was.

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Speaker 1: It was an illuminated sign type yeah that shows with

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Speaker 1: me always This specific show looms above. And then also

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