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Speaker 1: So how do you get the show? He knows people,

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Speaker 2: Well he gets credit for that, yes, the creator.

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Speaker 2: so they did, and then they got my recital footage,

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Speaker 2: Then they put the sizzle together, and then eleven networks

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Speaker 2: It came down to two Bravo and Lifetime.

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Speaker 2: That could be Andy Cummon, I know, and in Lifetime

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Speaker 2: Eighty percent the moms, ten percent, the kids, ten percent dance.

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Speaker 2: The show did. Is what the show did and the

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Speaker 2: Well I did later, but when it first started nothing.

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Speaker 2: I signed a four year contract with a four year option,

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Speaker 2: Then we got picked up again. I did have an

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Speaker 2: Six weeks went to thirteen weeks. It was no new thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, without anybody signing anything. The moms didn't sign anything new.

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Speaker 1: Started filming the show four months Well, then that means

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Speaker 2: Because you're just reading like this and not here and there.

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Speaker 2: I'm an open book, no problem. So that's not what happened. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Not realizing you're not really getting pad because people people

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Speaker 2: No I did, I did something wrong. I went to prison, okay,

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Speaker 2: Now was Melissa. Melissa was all in charge of all

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Speaker 1: Oh like they were claiming. They were saying bankruptcy fraud,

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Speaker 2: Oh that's why I'm in That's why I'm in a

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Speaker 1: Well that sounds like a lawsuit too. Why haven't you

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Speaker 1: So so all right, So you're on the successful show

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Speaker 1: Jojo Siwa, Maddie Ziegler, and there's there, there are there's

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Speaker 2: Then you can't face me because they know they would

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Speaker 2: show started. So my point is, if this was so

435
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Speaker 2: toxic for all these kids, why did they come back

436
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Speaker 2: at three and four and five, and six and seven

437
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Speaker 2: and eighty.

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Speaker 1: In my mind, well, well that's a separate conversation because

439
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Speaker 1: I was reading about that, and people have come at

440
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Speaker 1: Maddie saying that you know or why would you go back?

441
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Speaker 1: But I think the mothers, I think are putting the

442
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Speaker 1: mothers at the stage moms that are putting the kids.

443
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Speaker 1: They want the kids to be famous, and they're putting

444
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Speaker 1: the kids through the system. But that doesn't mean that

445
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Speaker 1: the relationship with the kids in you was healthy or positive.

446
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm just going by what I'm what

447
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing.

448
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: Kids, the kids came back. There were other studios in town.

449
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 2: Mine was the best. There were other studios in telling.

450
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Speaker 2: There's colleges in Pittsburgh.

451
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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't doubt who doubt that your talented? You've

452
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Speaker 1: created a successful A lot of these successful talent. It

453
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Speaker 1: seems like, are you youre.

454
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Speaker 2: Don't read what you don't read that Lifetime didn't want

455
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Speaker 2: anyone to know. They wanted me to be this down

456
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Speaker 2: and out po dunk, heavy set dance teacher screaming at

457
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Speaker 2: these little kids because that made good TV. Nobody talks

458
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Speaker 2: about the kids that I've had in drum roll please

459
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Speaker 2: twenty five Broadway shows. Wow you read that anywhere?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Five Broadway shows. I have had kids from Pittsburgh in

462
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Speaker 2: that I took that. I drove their asses back and

463
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Speaker 2: forth to the auditions, not their parents.

464
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Speaker 1: And by the way, that's what goes on ice skating

465
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Speaker 1: and the kids aren't going to be successful. Someone's not

466
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Speaker 1: grinding them. So I think that the mistake in your life,

467
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Speaker 1: besides like the financial stuff and the lawyers, was to

468
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Speaker 1: document this process because I think it's probably not that

469
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: pretty making kid making child stars. It doesn't seem like

470
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Speaker 1: a pretty process.

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Speaker 2: I drove them. I drove those kids to No.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't doubt it. I'm saying, I'm saying I

473
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Speaker 1: don't think it's a pretty business. Then there's another.

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Speaker 2: Good times there were I'm sure.

475
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm just saying I'm talking about not from you.

476
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Speaker 1: Just overall there's a conversation and pageants and and ice

477
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Speaker 1: skating and our kids, kids beyond this sky. I would

478
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Speaker 1: never put my daughter through that kind of any any

479
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Speaker 1: of that. I would never put her through that. I

480
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Speaker 1: think that sounds like torture and it sounds like a

481
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Speaker 1: job as a child like my daughter, it was what.

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Speaker 2: It was fun, It was wonderful. And and just let

483
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Speaker 2: me say that there's a lot of kids in Pittsburgh

484
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Speaker 2: that would have never gotten out of Pittsburgh fair if it.

485
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Speaker 1: Was no fair point, fair point, no fit fit, fair point,

486
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Speaker 1: and ended up supporting their family.

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Speaker 2: Perty.

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Speaker 1: No, you can't it's not binary, it's not black and white.

489
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Speaker 1: I understand that too, I really do. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: my daughter, there.

491
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Speaker 2: Were good times and it was fun, and they loved

492
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Speaker 2: what they were doing. They loved it.

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Speaker 1: They love Okay. So so now Maddie goes on to

494
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Speaker 1: be a huge star, and she didn't want to.

495
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Speaker 2: So this little six week docuseries was about the moms, okay,

496
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Speaker 2: and suddenly I'm on the show. I was never to

497
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Speaker 2: be on the show. I was not on the show

498
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Speaker 2: when it started, this six week docuseries. But a mother

499
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: came in bitching at me. I called the police, flipped out,

500
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Speaker 2: called the police. The police came, took her away, and

501
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: they got all that footage. The cameraman. Okay, that got

502
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Speaker 2: back to the network. I get you on the show

503
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Speaker 2: three or four and said, whoa, who is this woman?

504
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Speaker 3: Right?

505
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Speaker 2: Who is this? This is the glue that holds these Oh.

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Speaker 1: I get no, no doubt, undeniably, I fully no, I

507
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Speaker 1: fully get. I fully get that. There's no I make.

508
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Speaker 1: There's no like if you were on the Housewives, you

509
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Speaker 1: would be a good housewive. Vermona does not always do

510
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Speaker 1: and say popular things at all, and she's been canceled

511
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Speaker 1: as a result of it. But she was a good

512
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Speaker 1: housewife because she always brought the drama but didn't kill

513
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Speaker 1: the party. So I'm saying, I get there's there are

514
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Speaker 1: many types, there are villains, there are favorites.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 1: I'm not, by no means, am I thinking that your

517
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Speaker 1: entire life is boiled down to what was ever on

518
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Speaker 1: that camera? By no means. But I ever think that.

519
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Speaker 1: I'm not stupid and I'm not a hypocrite. Yeah, no,

520
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: So the kids, Okay, you're going to the kids becoming stars,

522
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: not my kids that weren't on the TV show. That

523
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Speaker 2: are stars who should be who should be recognized.

524
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Speaker 1: Well, this is this is what happened.

525
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but these kids, so all of a sudden,

526
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Speaker 2: the network says, we want a new routine every week.

527
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Speaker 2: Uh uh, wait a minute. The kids never auditioned to

528
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Speaker 2: be on the show. They sat in a chair next

529
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Speaker 2: to their mothers and were cute. They never danced. There

530
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Speaker 2: was no five six, seven eight dance like a.

531
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Speaker 1: Real what you're talking about? Wait, what what do you mean?

532
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Speaker 1: The ones that were cast it was a casting situation.

533
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Speaker 1: They weren't the real dancers.

534
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Speaker 2: What you're saying yes, when that's the cast the show.

535
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Speaker 2: It was an interview. They sat in a chair next

536
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Speaker 2: to their mothers and were interviewed.

537
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't supposed to be about dancing.

538
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: Correct, There was no dance audition okay until season two

539
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: three four? Right? Okay, So these particular kids whose mothers

540
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Speaker 2: didn't follow the roles in the studio, didn't take pay

541
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Speaker 2: their bills on.

542
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Speaker 1: Best Television Kids. You're saying they.

543
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Speaker 2: Couldn't pick up the dance routines. How are they going

544
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Speaker 2: to learn a new routine in a week. We had

545
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Speaker 2: them for two days Wednesday and Thursday, two days.

546
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Speaker 1: They weren't They weren't respectful of your best dancers. They

547
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Speaker 1: were the best talent, They were the best entertainment.

548
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Speaker 2: The moms were, their moms were. The kids were just cute, okay,

549
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: nothing more. They were camera.

550
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Speaker 1: Friendly whatever that went on to be big stores.

551
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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'll take that as a compliment.

552
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Speaker 1: But no, but you're saying that it was because they

553
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Speaker 1: were just cute. I mean, it's because they were cute

554
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: and talent. I mean it was because they were cute

555
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: and entertaining that they wanted to be big stars. You

556
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Speaker 1: said they weren't the best dancers.

557
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: They weren't. Okay, so these kids weren't the best at

558
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: picking up the choreography. When you do a solo in

559
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: my studio, okay, you started in September, October, November, December,

560
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: you start competing in February. You have six months to

561
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: learn a dance, one dance six months. Now, we were

562
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Speaker 2: learning three dances in two days.

563
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Speaker 1: Okay, So what does that mean? Why is that?

564
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Speaker 3: So?

565
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: That was the conflict. That's what created the conflict, week

566
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 2: after week after week?

567
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Speaker 1: Is got it?

568
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: Yes, Page and Brooke could not pick up to save

569
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: their lives like that just not swift. Maybe it's school

570
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: with the book, fine, but not in the dance studio. Okay.

571
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: Nia was always late coming because the Hally was a

572
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Speaker 2: principal in his private She schooled downtown and had to

573
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: get her there. Okay. The Chloe wasn't allowed to miss

574
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Speaker 2: a day of school. Mattie's mother took her out of school,

575
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: brought her to the studio during the day, no cameras,

576
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: no producers. She learned the numbers out of time, throwing

577
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: that out there.

578
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Speaker 1: That's great.

579
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Speaker 2: Worked with acting friend who's an acting coach from Carnegie

580
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Speaker 2: Mellon University, throwing that out.

581
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Speaker 1: There, got it all right. So this experience was amazing

582
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Speaker 1: for these girls and they are massive stars. And Mattie

583
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Speaker 1: Ziegler's gone into amazing things and she, as her right,

584
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Speaker 1: didn't want to go back to the reunion. I know

585
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Speaker 1: people had a problem with that. I've read about that,

586
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: but like she's allowed to be Beyonce and they can

587
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Speaker 1: be Destiny's child. I mean, she decided what she wanted

588
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: to decide, right and whatever.

589
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Speaker 2: If one of the other kids moms would have got

590
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Speaker 2: them out of school and brought them early, maybe they

591
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: would have been the star and learned all the numbers

592
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Speaker 2: ahead of time. Well, we needed a kid that could

593
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Speaker 2: be in the front and be in the middle and

594
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Speaker 2: know those numbers.

595
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Speaker 1: What do you think about Jojo Siwa? And like her

596
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: recent you know Maya, she's.

597
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: Like Jojo came from a spinoff show that I did,

598
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Speaker 2: Abby's Ultimate Dance Competition. It was a competition show I

599
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: did in La in season two and season three of

600
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Speaker 2: Dance Moms. So I just to give you the prison

601
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: the jail thing, which we didn't go to. So I

602
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: shot thirteen episodes of Dance Moms plus two specials. I

603
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: shot another season of Dance Moms. We shut two a year,

604
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Speaker 2: another thirteen episodes and two specials, so that's thirty shows.

605
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Speaker 2: Then I flew to LA and I shot thirteen episodes

606
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Speaker 2: forty three weeks out of fifty two weeks a year.

607
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Speaker 2: I was on TV insane, that's what I do and

608
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Speaker 2: my business is failing. No, it wasn't. It was about

609
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Speaker 2: the business stuff. Okay. So now, now Jojo comes from

610
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Speaker 2: that show, right, they love her. He doesn't win it,

611
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Speaker 2: but she's from that show. So they find her on

612
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Speaker 2: Abby's Ultimate. I cut her. She was like the fourth

613
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Speaker 2: one to go whatever, and they bring her on to

614
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Speaker 2: Dance Moms.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: She was adorable. She's a pretty little girl. She was spunky,

617
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: she could pick up pretty well, and she came into

618
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Speaker 2: it knowing she was going to have to do a

619
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Speaker 2: new dance every week. She had work on that picking up. Okay. So,

620
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Speaker 2: now did I think she was a good fit for

621
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Speaker 2: the group. No, because she wasn't a group dancer. She

622
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: wanted to be the star. She was a soloist. You

623
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: do her solo. It's phenomenal in the group, always off

624
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: a little bit, okay, okay, and I'm looking for kids.

625
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: Bethany I'm looking for students that are all the same height,

626
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: that are all the same level, that are all right.

627
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Speaker 1: She ended up making a meal out of it. She

628
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: ended up being very successful in groups together.

629
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Speaker 2: And I also want to make something perfectly clear for

630
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Speaker 2: all of your viewers listeners. None of the kids had

631
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Speaker 2: a contract, act none. The contracts were never affirmed through

632
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: the court. When you do, when you because when you

633
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: make a deal with the child, you have to affirm

634
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: their documents through court as they're separate like an adult. Right,

635
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: The moms had a contract. The kids were coming along.

636
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: For the ride's house too. That's housewives, okay, But here

637
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: the kids are a focal point way more, not until

638
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: they're eighteen sixty three.

639
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: I twisted that show around to make it about the kids.

640
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: Of course, Well then you're the one who's responsible for

641
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: them working versus being mad.

642
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Speaker 2: I was not privy to this until years later when

643
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: we were in LA. Had no clue, right, so I

644
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: thought everything was up in the up and up. My

645
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: weird world is Broadway in New York, not LA and

646
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: film and television, you know. I took kids out there

647
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: twenty five thirty years ago, and they didn't want to

648
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: see them because they were from Pittsburgh and they could

649
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: never get there time for an audition. They could never

650
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: fly out that quick.

651
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Speaker 1: Whatever have you followed their careers? Are you following Jojo?

652
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 3: Now?

653
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: How like? JoJo's got this new you know, everyone's talking

654
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: about her and she's a little.

655
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: More talked to her. I talked to her on the

656
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: phone yesterday.

657
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: Oh you did, and you have you have a good relationship?

658
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

659
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: And do you love what she's doing? I mean she's

660
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: she's entitled to like have changed her style, like she's

661
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: People are giving her a lot of criticism about changing

662
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: and she's coming out with a different type of you

663
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: know product.

664
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: You know what. I'm not the boss of her anymore.

665
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm not in charge of the choreography. I'm not in

666
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: charge of her costume anything.

667
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: Why didn't she push for you to be on that

668
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: show together? If you guys have a good relationship now

669
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: or it just evolved it got better?

670
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's always been fine.

671
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: She knows.

672
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: She'll tell you she wouldn't be where she is today.

673
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: She might be famous, it might be a star, but

674
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: it would have been on some like Disney show or

675
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: Nickelodeon show.

676
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been, and you feel like she's grateful. Yes, great,

677
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: that's okay. So do you take any accountability for all

678
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: of this mess that I just read on paper? Do

679
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: you take any responsibility like I besides like blaming the

680
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: lawyers and blaming the networks and blaming the kids and

681
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: blaming the moms, Like, do you personally take any responsibility

682
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: for away fame?

683
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: I don't blame any of the kids. You asked me

684
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: why they didn't want me in the reunion? Paige sued

685
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: me for five million dollars obviously got thrown out of

686
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: court immediately. How does she look at me again knowing?

687
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't even know that. Yeah, okay, okay, got it?

688
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: Okay. So yeah, and they know I wasn't going to

689
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: work for that network again anyway. Number three, and at

690
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: the network, the producer Brian Stinson begged each one of

691
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: the girls to call me on the phone to FaceTime me,

692
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: and then he went after Jojo, you have to face

693
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: the time out, but you have to FaceTime out. But

694
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 2: they were trying to get me on camera on the show.

695
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 2: Oh okay, my old makeup artist and hairdresser was there

696
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: doing hair and makeup and screamed from the back room

697
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 2: when she heard it for the twentieth time that day, said,

698
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: will you a better payer in a parent's be if

699
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 2: you're going a twitter on camera? And then it stopped.

700
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 2: Got it.

701
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: That's a loyal person.

702
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: And then they shot the new show there's a new

703
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: reboot of Dance Bumps that I'm not on. They shot

704
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: that and asked me to be a judge at the

705
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: big national fake Final competition that they planned to come

706
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 2: and judge it. The producer Ryan Sinton called me so

707
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: that they could get my face there on camera to

708
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: use to promote the show like I was on it

709
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: and live people for the first six weeks of that show,

710
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: telling people it was the Dance BOMs Ruby and telling

711
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: them that Abby Lee Miller was there to get kids

712
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: there to compete against the show kids.

713
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: So you've had an interesting ride, but you're still on

714
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 1: the ride, and you're still teaching dance and you have

715
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: new shows. So you're you are a cat with nine lives.

716
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: It sounds like I'm very unlucky or I'm very lucky,

717
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: depends on what day it is.

718
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: Well, so you are cancer free, and did you go

719
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: through you went through what did you did you do?

720
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,479
Speaker 1: Readly what you want to tell? You have your doctor

721
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: on now?

722
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, I had ten rounds of chemo.

723
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: Wow did you change your hair?

724
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: Yeah?

725
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: Wow?

726
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: I lost my life.

727
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: You thought you were going to die?

728
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 2: Blood pressure twenty three over seventeen. He'll talk about it, okay.

729
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: By the way, not one kid, not one kid reached

730
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: out except Jojo and some of the little ones that

731
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: were in the next season. Nobody came to that hospital.

732
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 2: Nobody called, not one mother. Jill was the only mom

733
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 2: that sent Flowers to the hospital.

734
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: Hi doctor, Hi doctor, how are you sir?

735
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: Hi?

736
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: Good morning guys? Are you guys or maybe good roping

737
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: your time? I know where you guys are. But hello.

738
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: So you've been working with Abby through her whole treatment.

739
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 3: Yes, she looks. She looks amazing. I don't re recognize her.

740
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 3: She looks amazing.

741
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: What did you think the prognosis was going to be

742
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: in the beginning?

743
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 3: I was very you know, I remember like it was

744
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: literally like it was yesterday. And I mean she she

745
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: knows it too. She remembers like I told her we're

746
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 3: going in now. I said, I don't know. We don't

747
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: have the correct scan. Something is wrong, something doesn't make sense.

748
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: Maybe it's a bad infection. When we got in there,

749
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 3: it was crazy her like, I would say, her thoracic spine,

750
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: which is like your mid back where you have twelve

751
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: vertebrates on the bottom of the neck, about like twelve

752
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: segments in her spine, which is unheard of. Everything was

753
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: just this mass crushing her sminal cord like it's just

754
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 3: it was like completing gold. Like she went from walking

755
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: completely normal, everything totally fine within forty eight hours.

756
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: What what were the symptoms?

757
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 2: First I thought I had a sinus infection. Now, Bethany,

758
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: this is I get out of prison. I'm driven. Everybody

759
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: else's parents picked them up from prison, They go to lunch,

760
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: they take them to the halfway house. It's all. Where

761
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: was the prison Victorvale, California, out in the desert.

762
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: On a one to ten, ten being torture and one

763
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: being enjoyable. What was prison like?

764
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 2: Seven eight?

765
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: It was really shitty.

766
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: Some of it the women I met and some of

767
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: the I read one hundred and fifty books and I

768
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: lost one hundred and twenty pounds.

769
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: Wow, did you meet a lot of it? Did you

770
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: meet anybody you're still friends with?

771
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yes, you has good friends, yes, and they're out,

772
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: wonderful friends. Yes, and they're out okay, yeah, and one

773
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: of them works with me. Yeah.

774
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So she came out of prison and she

775
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 1: came she went How soon after did.

776
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: She go to you?

777
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: Well? No, So what happened was she was having issues, right,

778
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: she was having some issues, and the prison chip basically

779
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 3: blowing your off and pain. Yeah. So yeah, that's actually

780
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 3: a big problem. She was having issues, some thiray issues.

781
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: They kept blowing your off, and then she was having

782
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: neck pain. They kept saying, oh, you're doing this on purpose,

783
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: you know, kind of.

784
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Like, oh, wow, I've never heard of that. That's crazy.

785
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: Well, you know sometimes I know sometimes unfortunately people who

786
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: go into these prison or halfway houses, I've seen like

787
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: they want to fake something exactly, I've seen it. So

788
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 3: but I think, no matter what, you got to investigate,

789
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 3: you can just blow people off. You know.

790
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: That's saying that's crazy. That's a legal matter too. I

791
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: mean it's amazing. Wow. Okay, so she was having issues.

792
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: There, yes, So they kept blowing your off and then

793
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: she came to me excruciating neck pain. I remember it

794
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 3: was on a Friday, and I'm telling her. You know,

795
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: we got to get MRI right now, and she couldn't

796
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: get the MRI because she was in too much pain.

797
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

798
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, she couldn't lay down. I said, okay, we're gonna

799
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 3: admit you. That was Friday. Okay, we're gonna admit you

800
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: on Friday. So we admitted her. We admitted her on Friday,

801
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: and then we were trying to get the MRI, but

802
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: she couldn't lay down because she needed to be sedation,

803
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: you know, and they were not providing the sedation. So

804
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: then basically there's another test called.

805
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: This is a media out of prison.

806
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: She came to you, yes, about like a couple of

807
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: weeks out something like that. Okay, So then I remember

808
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: we went admitted her to the hospital trying to get

809
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 3: the MRI, but I wanted to get d MRI with sedation.

810
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: And it's a whole like, it's a big deal to

811
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: do MRI with sedation. You gotta, it's you got to

812
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: set up anesthesia, you gotta. It's just it's just a

813
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: lot of work, and a lot of hospitals may not

814
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: be equipped to do it, you know, especially over the weekends.

815
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 3: So I mean over the she was fine. So then

816
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: on Sunday, she starts while we're waiting for this MRI.

817
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: On Sunday, she starts kind of a little bit, uh,

818
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: feeling something in her extremities. And then by Monday morning,

819
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: literally overnight, she starts losing function, like out of I

820
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: mean she went from walking everything Friday and Saturday to

821
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 3: like Monday morning started.

822
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: That's horrify, that's horrifying.

823
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Dan I was like, we got to do

824
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 3: this test called the ct milogram. Ct monogram is a

825
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: pretty invasive test, and you know it's not It wasn't

826
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: the idea, but we had to have a choice. So

827
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: we thought about transferring her to main seaters, and but

828
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: we did a ct monogram. When the results came back,

829
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: I remember the radiologists like came running to me. He's

830
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: like it was like, at don't know, nine o'clock at night,

831
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: eight o'clock, Like I don't know if something is wrong,

832
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: like the whole spine like this all this segment, this

833
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: whole segment is blocked. Like the guys, so I'm thinking

834
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: this is infection. Oh my god. I said, we don't

835
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 3: have time because if we did not take care to surgery,

836
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 3: she did not have time like to go get MRI

837
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 3: at another facility she would have been. I mean she was.

838
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 3: Her blood pressure was going down and we're going to

839
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: lose her. I was like, we're going searchery now.

840
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: Much pressure was twenty three over seventeen.

841
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm like goose bombs right now, like

842
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 3: talking about it. It is little emotional. We I remember

843
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 3: it's midnight. I called my wife, I'm not coming home tonight.

844
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 3: We got to take it to surgery. We're going in

845
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: and we're up and I'm horrifying. I've never seen anything

846
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: like this. I mean, for a a Burkett lymphoma, this

847
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: cancer to.

848
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: Grow what's it called? Because it's what's it called? Burkett

849
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: Burkett lymphoma, Burkey.

850
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: Today is the anniversary.

851
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: You're saying it is rare, this thing Burkett lymphoma is rare,

852
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: or what.

853
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: She had rare, rare. It's usually seen in young African

854
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: American kids.

855
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: Okay, wow. So you had to then do twelve rounds

856
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: of what is it? Twelve rounds twelve weeks?

857
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 2: Have ten So I was impatient for seven days. Chemotherapy

858
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: dripping spinal top lumbar injection where they go up the

859
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: bottom of your tailbone into your brain where it goes

860
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: around your brain.

861
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: God, who was supporting you? Who was there family or

862
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: friends or who was with you? You were alone every

863
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: step of the way. That makeup and hair artist.

864
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: Uh, a friend from a couple of friends from Pittsburgh

865
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: and a friend from LA that I met at my

866
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 2: dance studio. Not one of the moms.

867
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, So you were in the hospital for only

868
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: seven days?

869
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: No, no, no, seven days in now, I was transferred

870
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 2: on a gurney laying down to California Rehabilitation Institute where

871
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: I underwent physical therapy, occupational therapy, hand therapy. I was

872
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 2: paralyzed from the neck down at this point.

873
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god, will you were you? What is your

874
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: mental state? Your emotional state?

875
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 2: Well, I remember in the hospital they told me that.

876
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: For a dancer to be paralyzed alone, that you know

877
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: that concept of choreographer. Yeah, so tell me again. Do

878
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: you remember them telling you.

879
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: I remember them telling me that. They tell me the

880
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: story that I kept waking up saying, oh well, thank god,

881
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: it's not cancer. Oh well, just don't tell me it's cancer.

882
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: And they kept waking me up telling me it was cancer.

883
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: And I would go back to sleep and wake up

884
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: saying no because my mom. Yeah, my mom died phoning

885
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: cancer and my dad died of geo cancer. So and

886
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: I was only fifty eight. I never spent a night

887
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: or fifty two.

888
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: I never s it's cancer genetic like that. If your

889
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: parents have two different types of cancer, then you were

890
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: likely or it has nothing to do with it. It's it's, it's,

891
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: it's it's unrelated.

892
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: We have to doctor Piro.

893
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I mean, no, no, no.

894
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: I think there is a genetic component to everything. But

895
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: I believe also very importantly, we have the ability to

896
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 3: modify our genes through what we do in our lifestyle.

897
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I endo that.

898
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: So a lot of people think you're basically cursed by

899
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: your genes and genetic some degree, that's true, but I

900
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: do believe that now we know with what's called functional medicine,

901
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 3: and I believe through your environment and your lifestyle, you

902
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 3: have the ability to modify modify your genes.

903
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: You're saying through just eating well and exercise, the things

904
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: you're taking or what are you saying exactly all of

905
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: the above.

906
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: There are a lot of Look, it's very multi factor

907
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 3: god health. We know through god health and a very

908
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: holistic approach. We have the ability to help modify our

909
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 3: genes and also don't exercise. And another key factor in

910
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: all of this is controlling the stress in our environments

911
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: and also other things around us. Like how much like

912
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: metal toxicity? Like the air you breed in where you are,

913
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: is there molding? There is there some heavy metal around

914
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: a lot of people are ingesting things around them. They're

915
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 3: not even awhere happening.

916
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: Well, how are you obsessed everywhere you are? Because how

917
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: do you live a life without thinking about everything?

918
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: No? No, that's the point I just said. The stress

919
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: is also the key thing, you know.

920
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: So no, I'm saying the stress of thinking about every

921
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: time you walk into a room as this room have

922
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: mold or metals or No, you don't want.

923
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 3: To like I don't. I don't want to let people

924
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: don't to think like that about it. You know, you

925
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: just want to be vigilant. You know, you just want

926
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: to be vigilant. You know you control what you can't control, right,

927
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: you know, so you call your nutrition, you can control

928
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 3: your exercise, and you know you control your emotions with

929
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: the stress where you meditate whatever it is. Yeah, you

930
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: do all of that stuff. I think you're going to

931
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: be okay, I think you're going to be able to

932
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: modify your genes. And for example, you don't.

933
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: You don't move next to said that, right, right, right, No,

934
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's reminding me that. But Lisa

935
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: Werenna got in trouble for saying something about like stress

936
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: causes cancer or something and like the or and like

937
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: she got in actual trouble by the cancer Society saying

938
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: that's not scientifically true.

939
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: I don't think it's not trying to finish that.

940
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm just curious because I remember hearing her say that,

941
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: which I've heard people say, and then she got like

942
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: backlash for saying that.

943
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: Here's the deal. I went from the prison to the

944
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: halfway house. Okay, I was there for one week and

945
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: this happened. But I went before I saw doctor Belamed.

946
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: I went to six doctors in ten days, six.

947
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: And you had been going and saying in prison that

948
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: you were having pain.

949
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: Yes, go home, honey and take it easy. You'll be fine.

950
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: Then one doctor at an urgent care said the first

951
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: one I went to, because I thought I had a

952
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: signence in fact that I need a zepak. I went

953
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: to the thing and she knew me from I had

954
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: been there before, and she said, I think you're in

955
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: a thyroid storm because you were taken off your thyroid

956
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 2: medication and met Foreman for diabetes old turkey off.

957
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: Of everyone had a different and then this chet and

958
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: then this doctor is the only person who took you seriously, Yes,

959
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: so amazing.

960
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 2: But they had my blood work, she said, I've never

961
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 2: seen blood results like this. It's nuts. Well, then why

962
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: didn't you put me in an ambulance into the hospital

963
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: from the urgent carry idiot? I might not be in

964
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: a wheelchair if this would have happened.

965
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: Is this this is not reversible? You're in a wheelchair forever?

966
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: Now? Wow? Yeah?

967
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 3: No?

968
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: What what are you in?

969
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: What?

970
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: Why are you in a wheelchair?

971
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 2: Specifically, because the the spinal cord was damaged and where

972
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: it was damaged is most of it came back and

973
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: some of it didn't. Like I don't feel like if

974
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: you put a hot pan, frying pan on my thighs,

975
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't feel.

976
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: So, doctor, can this be haired? Can this be rehabilitated?

977
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 3: I think there's a possibility, because there is now we know,

978
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: like literally I just learned about it. In Mayo Clinic,

979
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 3: they have a patience on the stem cell who was

980
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: spinal cord injury, paralyzed from neck down for seven years,

981
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: is walking now. Wow, Okay, I just literally I was

982
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: going to actually, I know we're coming on, so I

983
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 3: was saving it, you know, to tell in Mayo clinic

984
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: right now they're doing the stem cell. I mean there,

985
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: it's remarkable. So I think, I mean, for someone who

986
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: has function quite a bit of function left, I think

987
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: there's a good chance she can make good recovery. And

988
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: the other issue I had is that I think her

989
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: spinal cord was trying to make full recovery. But I

990
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 3: think they in my opinion, I'm sorry, but I think

991
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: they went overkilled with the chemo they did. She was

992
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: no cancer, she had no cancer, and I remember they

993
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: kept giving me her extra round, extra round.

994
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, yeah, doctor Piro, Doctor Piro, who's

995
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 2: my oncologist. He now, he snuck me out of one

996
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: of the days I was going from chemo to physical rehab.

997
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: He made me stop at his place to do a

998
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: full pet scan on me to see where the can.

999
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: That's such an interesting thing I've never yet just like

1000
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: selling past the point of yes, you did were cancer

1001
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: free and you were still doing that.

1002
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: I never heard either, well and not one cell of cancer,

1003
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: and yet I underwent seven more because.

1004
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: Oh my seven more? Wow, oh my god, the hot shot. No,

1005
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: that is point. I mean, that's like unnecessary poison in

1006
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: your body, I would assume, right, And.

1007
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: Again that's a doctor not listening to the patient.

1008
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: Wow are you How is your emotional state now? How

1009
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 1: is your mental emotional state now? Your Moraley?

1010
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: I live alone. I went from not being able to

1011
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: lift a fork up to living alone. I wish I

1012
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 2: could have full time care to travel with me and everything,

1013
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: but that money's on a lot of attorneys in Pittsburgh.

1014
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: And I think that. God, I think I lived okay,

1015
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: So I want to live good.

1016
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,320
Speaker 1: You seem positive, like you do. You have to have

1017
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: a good attitude. You seem to have a good attitude.

1018
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how long ago was.

1019
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: Did you leave prison in twenty and eighteen?

1020
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: So you haven't had a normal life quote unquote, not

1021
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: that your life before was normal, but you haven't had

1022
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: a normal physical life in six years.

1023
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: Yes, and this is the anniversary today of what today

1024
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: of the surgery? Wow?

1025
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: Okay, well it sounds like it can only get better

1026
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: from here if you are healthy and emotionally healthy and

1027
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: mentally healthy and also taking care of yourself. So yes,

1028
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: I what a shocking story. Wow, and doctor, thank you

1029
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: so much for coming on. And Abby, thank you for

1030
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: sharing the story. Wow, that's like a good car cautionary

1031
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: tale for people to listen to their bodies.

1032
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: Yes, women, you know I always say that women, you know,

1033
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: they take care of their husbands, they take care of

1034
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: their kids, they take care of their own parents. They

1035
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: don't take care of themselves.

1036
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: So that's a cautionary tale about all these things about

1037
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: the chemo, about what happened by now listening to your

1038
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: body and people not listening to you. And good on

1039
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: you to keep going to different doctors.

1040
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: You know.

1041
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: They let me out of a hospital and eleven hours

1042
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: I was back in an ambulance with the same symptoms.

1043
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: That's a lawsuit right then, feeling alone because you live alone? Wow. Yes, well, Abby,

1044
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: it was so nice to meet you, and thank you

1045
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: so much for being open and having this conversation.

1046
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: I there's so much more. There's so much more about

1047
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: the kids in the DOVA and the things. I'm sure

1048
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: that you're friends with Cia. It was my dream to

1049
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: meet Sia. That never happened. But see us saw the show.

1050
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: She was a fan of the show.

1051
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: She watched the kids, and she reached out on social media.

1052
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: And they would have never even seen it if it

1053
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: wasn't for the social media girl that we hire that

1054
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 2: saw it and caught it. And I put my job

1055
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: on the line. I quit. You kept saying why didn't

1056
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 2: you quit, Why don you quit? I quit the show

1057
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 2: because they wouldn't let Mattie go. I quit. I said,

1058
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: you're done, get out of my studio. We're done if

1059
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 2: you don't let this kid go do this video.

1060
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 1: Oh that's amazing.

1061
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: Thank you for many reasons. I quit many times. For

1062
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 2: the kids. It was always on behalf of the children.

1063
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 2: They should remember that, but they were little. I guess

1064
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 2: who knows.

1065
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like Jojo does and she's on a trajectory. Well. Amazing.

1066
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and thank you doctor. Have a

1067
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: great day much.

1068
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 3: Thank you guys, take care.

1069
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: Thank you. Bethany