WEBVTT - Selects: Are crickets the future of food? 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.400 Hi, everyone. I hope you're having a great weekend so far. 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:06.320 Do you want to know about crickets and how you 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:09.200 can sustain yourself on them? Well, then listen to this 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.879 episode Are Crickets the Future of Food? And this is 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.760 from September seventh, twenty seventeen. I hope you enjoy it 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:18.000 all over again. 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:32.760 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:37.680 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh W Chuck Clark. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:44.519 There's Charles Malcolm Bryant, and there's Jerry the Wiz rolling. 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:48.440 That sounds like an Aaron Cooper poster gone bad. Yeah already. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.840 Yeah, we'll have like the swirling face like the weird 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.200 people in Jacob's Ladder. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:54.040 It's funny. 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.200 We had a office visitor a couple of weeks ago, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:57.840 and I don't think you were here, And in fact 0:00:57.880 --> 0:00:58.120 I know. 0:00:58.080 --> 0:00:59.840 You weren't here because you would have been in here, right. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.920 But there was a there's our great step Brothers, you 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:05.160 know the movie Step Brothers. 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.040 For those of you out here out there, there's. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.280 A promo of John c Riley and Will Ferrell with 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.399 as like a with an Olin Mills type uh, you know, 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:19.000 post photograph and Aaron Cooper or our buddy from Kansas 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:23.520 who does our great photoshop stuff, made us into I 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.080 was John c. Rally and you were Will Ferrell. And 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.560 the guy came in and was looking around and was like, 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.000 oh man, these are great and look at that, and 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:32.800 you know that looks like I don't know, it looks 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:34.839 like it could be like something like the movie Step 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:36.840 Brother or something that. 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.600 Said, oh, that's exactly what it is. Yeah. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:41.880 I tried to make him not feel bad. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.600 That was nice of you. That was very gracious of 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:45.319 you as a host. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.000 Yeah, like he didn't quite zone in on all of 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:50.120 them were us. 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:56.240 We should have like clapped loudly beside his ear. Uh. 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.560 Man, I had a little scary thing today, How if 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.920 I may. This is kind of part PSA. This has 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:04.160 nothing to do with cricket farming. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:05.120 Ok, but. 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:11.680 We're getting our basement waterproofed because for thirteen years it's 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.280 been leaking water like really bad. 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:16.799 Someone so that we have mold now. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.840 Oh yeah, black mold, yes, and oh no. 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.160 We're also getting mold remediation done at the same time. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:22.480 Man. 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.639 So, needless to say, that's a fun, fun way to 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.440 spend a lot of money. But I come home today 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:34.799 and my carbon monoxide alarm is going off because these 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:40.160 yahoos are using a gas powered concrete saw in our basement. No, 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.320 and it's like full on saying, you know, get out 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.360 of the house, and my animals are in there, so oh, man, 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.640 Like and I just happened to go home after I 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:53.760 went to a coffee shop to study because I needed 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.799 to grab something. But like, I literally could have come 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.600 home to dead animals, man and dead workmen. 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.560 And yeah, yeah those guys too. Wow, I'll bet they're 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.440 not the sharpest tax in the box anymore. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:06.959 That was weird man. And they were down there. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.160 I mean, not only did they not have on so 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.200 much as a dust mask for the gas, but like 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.119 concrete dust is really dangerous too. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.799 They're like, I don't care. I've got Obama care. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:17.920 It was a. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.440 Weird man, and just it freaked me out to the 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.919 point where Emily she wanted to like fire the guy. 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.200 He wasn't even there, like the you know, the foreman 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.840 or right owner the company. Yeah, and she wanted to 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.440 be like, man, if he doesn't understand that this is dangerous, 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.160 and he said, you know, open up your windows, it'll 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.000 be clear in fifteen minutes and it took two hours 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:39.360 for that alarm to stop going off. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.760 Oh my gosh, Wow, that is really scary. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:42.680 It was really bad. Man. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.240 I was out on my deck basically for the rest 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.080 of the morning until I came in with my dogs 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:49.400 and my cat in a crate. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.840 Man, that's like how some people commit suicide. I know, 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.000 you know, yeah, and these guys are just doing it. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:58.040 Grottis for you. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:03:59.240 Yeah. It was weird. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.520 Yeah, anyway, so I'm slightly shaken. Yeah, I'll bet. I'm 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.120 glad you made it. Man. You look good. You look okay, 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:12.240 Thank you. You look healthy. Your pallor isn't gaunt. I 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:13.360 think you're You're okay. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:15.880 I just got to calm down here. That the sound 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.880 of the crickets on our miniature cricket farm here for 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:19.560 soothing me. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.800 At least I know they put me to sleep. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:22.960 I'm glad we set that up. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.320 That was pretty good. That was one of our better segues. 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:27.080 Sadly enough. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:27.480 Thanks. 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:30.680 Yeah, we are talking crickets, aren't we. 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:32.520 Yeah, we covered entomophagy. 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.680 I meant to look up when, but it was seems 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.120 like a long time ago, right, And that's eating bugs 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:44.000 and insects. But this is focusing specifically on crickets because 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.400 by all accounts, they seem like sort of the our 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.560 best bet at trying to get something like this going 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:52.200 in America. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:52.719 For real. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.320 Yeah, they're I mean, they're pretty easy to raise. They 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:00.000 don't require much space. You can set up your own 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.680 cricket farm at home. And really, we should say, the 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.000 point of all this, the whole reason anybody would want 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:12.640 people to start raising crickets at home is because the well, 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:19.120 the earth is about to collapse and our food supply 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.679 is in real danger. Right, So I've got some stats 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:29.880 for you, chuck. So meat consumption per capita has increased 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.640 into the developed world. Actually it's doubled in the last 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.960 thirty years, and that's thanks in no small part to 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.320 the rise of the brick countries Brazil, Russia, India, and 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:46.160 China who have huge, massive populations, and as they entered capitalists, 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:53.480 the capitalist global economy have generally become enriched, and the 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.080 more money they have, the more meat civilization tends to consume, 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.479 at least these days. Right, So that doesn't seem bad 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.640 in and of itself until you look into what kind 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.400 of resources it takes to actually raise meat. So you 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:06.159 ready for this one. 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.560 I don't know. I'm afraid to produce. 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:15.680 One pound of meat that's a half a kilo basically 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:21.240 of meat, beef, beef. Sorry, Yeah, it requires about twenty 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:22.920 four hundred gallons of water. 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.200 I've heard stuff like that before. 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.240 Which is like absolutely nuts, even when you consider that 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.839 not only are you watering the cow, you're also watering, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.440 you know, the crops that you feed to the cow, 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.760 So there's double water consumption. But one of the problem, 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:43.360 one of the reasons cattle beef requires so much water, 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.200 is because you only consume forty percent of the cow. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:48.880 Yeah, so sixty. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.479 Percent of the water is going to sustain parts of 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.400 the cow you're not even eating, right, So there's a 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.839 lot of wasted water, even if your water delivery system 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.880 is one hundred percent efficient, right, Yeah, that's just water. 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.000 Fifty one percent of the greenhouse gases that are emitted 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:09.920 on planet Earth come from animal agriculture. Yeah, fifty one percent. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:15.760 And one third of the world's adequate or high quality 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.240 cropland has been lost to erosion or pollution in the 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.840 last forty years. Now. That's a huge problem, whether we 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.640 are all vegetarians or not. Because we're talking crop land, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:29.880 but we use way more crop land to feed our 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:33.800 livestock than we do to feed ourselves. Right, something like 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.680 fifty six million acres of land are used to grow 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:41.200 crops in the United States to feed animals. Four million 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:45.440 are used to grow crops for human consumption. So there's 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:49.200 a lot, a lot of resources that are used up 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:53.720 just from meat based diets. Right. A lot of people say, well, 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.360 just go to plant based diets, and other people say 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.720 you can't get enough protein from plant based diets, which 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:03.880 apparently is not true from what I'm seeing. Other people 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.480 are saying, fine, you want some protein, I got something 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.880 for you, and it's crickets. 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.920 Yeah, I'm kind of all I'm not surprised, but it 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.920 goes to show you the population boom. If meat consumption 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.520 has increased that much in the face of probably more 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.760 vegetarianism and veganism than ever before, too, you know. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.840 Well, that's kind of heartening, Like if if there does 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.400 seem to be if I guess if societies follow. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:31.000 Yeah, I'd like we should. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.679 I mean, we've been dancing around doing episodes on vegetarianism 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.840 and veganism for a while, so we should probably tackle 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:38.480 that at some point. 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:39.080 All right. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.760 I'm kind of curious about the history because it seems 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:47.160 like in the like probably since the onset of America 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.600 until and then I'm talking off my at the top 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.439 of my head here, but until probably the nineties, it 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.680 seemed like everybody who's just like meat, meat meat, meat, meat. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.199 Well, there's I mean, it's definitely associated with wealth, right, 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:06.199 If you can afford to eat a nice steak kind 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.800 of indicates you have a certain amount of status in 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:10.120 your society, right. 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:11.800 Well, like the fifties, it seems like they would eat 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.880 steak for lunch, right, And I can't imagine, like a 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:16.640 steak for lunch. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.920 That seems so indulgent. Yeah, I think it is, you know, yeah, like. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.240 Yeah, just give me, give me the twenty ounce Rabbi 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.040 for lunch. Right, It's just I don't know, I can't 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.360 imagine that. But in three martinis, I don't argue with 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:30.840 that part. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.320 That is pretty indulgent. Three martinis and a twenty ounce 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:36.360 Ribby for lunch. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.000 I mean that was don Draper, you know. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.200 Yeah, I never saw that show. I know, I never 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:42.000 saw it. 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:42.960 It's it's available. 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:48.760 Where is it out there? Really? I thought they erased it. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:49.920 All, Yeah, they did. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.880 So that's it, it's done. Uh huh. Didn't he go 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.160 become a lumberjack at the end, No he did not. Okay, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:09:59.680 Oh that's dexter. 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.760 Uh oh man. And then we've talked about the ending 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:03.240 of that show. 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.960 Great, I actually never saw the end of that one. 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:08.679 You've just told me about it. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.840 Yeah, I think you still to yourself just to watch 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:11.440 the finale. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:11.839 Okay. 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:20.000 So this dude, Kevin, how would you pronounce that bachhuber bach? 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.680 Which is fine, that's clearly bach and hub r. You 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.240 just don't often see two h's side by side. So anyway, 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:32.840 Kevin Bachhuba is a dude that is kind of championing, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.240 not kind of very much championing this movement. In two 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.319 thousand and seven, he went to Thailand and tasted crickets 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:44.080 deep fried crickets, and he's from California, and he was like, hey, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:44.920 this is really good. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.240 He's been far out. 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.920 They've been doing this in Thailand since the late nineties. 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:55.080 The king established a big growing program for crickets and 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:59.559 cricket farms education in schools, like, you know, this is 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.959 a good way to get protein in your diet. And 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:07.320 he said, I think this is the direction America should 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.400 go and I'm going to get in on the money 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:10.880 side of it. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.040 Yeah, like the farming of it. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:17.160 Apparently it's a twenty million dollar industry already. Not bad, No, 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.320 it isn't. And we should say that bach Kuber is 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:25.880 one of several people who are into this, the idea 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:30.520 of cricket farming, commercial cricket farming, and he's definitely one 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.800 of the ogs for sure. His business was the first 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.440 to get approval to sell crickets as food in the 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:43.480 United States. You got FDA approval because the cricket industry 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.800 actually is kind of old. Well it's not too old, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.760 but I saw anywhere between fifty and seventy years old 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.640 in the US, and they're raised to say feed fish 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.040 for commercial fish farming, or to grind up as a 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:00.199 protein supplement for livestock feed. So people have been using 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.760 crickets for a while, or to feed to like reptiles, 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:04.880 to sell them to pet stores. 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:06.640 Yeah, so there. 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:12.600 Was an established infrastructure of cricket farming, but the making 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:17.400 the transition from selling it to feed to cows or 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:22.119 fish or snakes to selling it to people to eat directly, 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:24.960 that that was a big step. And bach Huber was 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.599 the first one to take it in the US. I 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.520 should just say, the reason I point out he's just 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.920 one of many is because this house Stuff Works article 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.320 is basically like, here's my report on Kevin back Huber's 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.800 ted ted talk sort of. You know, yeah, I think 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.520 just he definitely deserves, you know, credit, because he's leading 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.319 the charge, but so are other people as well. 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.680 Yeah, he's woven throughout this thing though. Yeah. And you know, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.440 if you listen to the Entomopogy episode. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.680 Episode no it's it's episode. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.480 We pointed out then, and it bears repeating that America 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.440 is new to this. But I think it was like 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.480 Canada and the United States and Western Europe are literally 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:10.320 the only places on Earth that don't consume insects as 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.120 a regular part of their diet these days. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.240 So I saw, so this article kind of says the 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:20.040 standard eighty percent of the world regularly consumes insects as 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.640 part of their diet. I saw that there's a Food 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:29.120 and Agriculture Organization, the UN organization report said something it 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.559 was more like about a third of the populations rather 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.480 than eighty percent, maybe like thirty to thirty five percent, 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:36.240 which is still significant. 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:37.280 Yeah, that's a big difference. 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:41.920 It is, and in the West specifically, the idea of 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:47.080 eating bugs is not It's not commonplace, right, And I 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:53.880 actually saw a pretty good explanation for why, Like thirteen 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:59.439 of the fourteen large livestock animals that are domesticated are 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:04.240 found in Eurasia and made their way over to the Americas, 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.240 and those things those animals provide not just meat, but 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:16.520 also things like milk, clothing, everything. Basically, so since since 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.880 these what you would call Western countries had access to 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:24.040 these domesticated animals, they never needed bugs as a food source. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:29.680 And then secondly, since they were raising domesticated animals, by definition, 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:37.800 they had a sedentary agricultural lifestyle, which meant that their 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.200 exposure to bugs was bugs as pests. So not only 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.600 were bugs not edible, they were something you that were 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:50.680 just undesirable on their face. So that led to the 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.600 it closed the door on bugs being eaten by Westerners, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.920 and so that came to be filled by a sense 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:02.280 of disgust, which is a basic human emotion, but it's 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.440 the only one that's culturally bound, which means you learn 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:10.680 what is disgusting from your cultural group. 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:12.440 Yeah, for sure. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.520 But that also means you can unlearn it too. 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.440 Well, this big cricket has anything to do with it, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.280 Why don't we took a quick break and we're going 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.760 to come back and talked about a UN report that 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:46.040 kind of changed a lot of things about four years ago. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.680 All right, so I promised you a UN report twenty 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.160 thirteen there was a big kind of sea change. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.480 I don't know about sea change. It was the beginning 0:15:58.680 --> 0:15:59.760 beginning of a sea change. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:05.000 They issued a report called Edible Insects Colon Future Prospects 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.440 for Food and Feed Security, and it was basically just 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:13.120 championing entomophagy and all the benefits that surround it, like 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:19.120 how nutrient dense crickets and other insects are, the fact 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:26.800 that it's socially sustainable, economically viable, and friendly, environmentally friendly, 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.360 and it kind of, you know, kind of paints it 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.760 as like, hey, this is the future, or it could 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.520 be part of the future at least of getting protein 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:38.760 into you know, Americans. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:43.120 Right, And the report itself didn't focus exclusively on crickets, 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.280 but crickets feature prominently in the report. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:46.800 The star it was about. 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.800 It was about bugs in general and eating bugs in general, 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.040 and it was it made a pretty big splash. I 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.520 remember when it came out, like it really hit the 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.520 news cycle pretty hard. But it also caught the attention 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.760 of that back Huber guy who said, all right, I'm 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:03.840 gonna I think I'm gonna get into this because he'd 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.240 already been exposed to eating crickets in Thailand and then 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.040 that when that UN report came out, he I think 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.160 began as start up here in the States of his 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.280 commercial cricket farm startup. 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.560 Yeah, it's funny they put in this article that it 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.440 was the most popular document in the history of the UN. 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.679 Yeah. I didn't see that anywhere. I think that was 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:28.240 he said that at his ted report. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.760 it definitely made a splash. I'll give him that for sure. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.760 Yeah, he spoke at a ted X Youngstown, Ohio, because 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.960 that's where he's based, that's where his company is, right, 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.480 and I guess he just made up his own ted 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.880 X probably. All right, so let's talk about crickets. Well, 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:48.359 all insects in particular are very rich in protein. Like 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.920 we've talked about. They have a lot of healthy fats, Yeah, 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:52.560 a lot of zinc, a lot of iron, a lot 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:59.679 of calcium, and there's something called I guess efficient animals. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:02.320 Well, yeah, I mean this. 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.639 Is when vegetarians and vegans are like, these kind of 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.000 terms make their skin crawl, I'm sure. But the kind 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.240 of efficiency you get out of raising and killing and 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.159 eating an animal is on a spectrum, and you know, 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.439 from cows, like you talked about, it's probably the worst, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.160 I would guess, don't you think, right? 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:25.080 Right? The animal itself is efficient at converting food that 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.479 you feed it into stuff that you can get from it. 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:31.399 Yeah, so like you said, not a lot of the 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:34.160 cow is used to eat. 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.679 No, it's like forty percent of a cow is edible 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:38.600 and digestible. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.560 And I think the chicken is about the most efficient 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.000 animal protein right now, right, nothing like crickets. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.400 So there's two different things here, right. So you've got 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.440 efficiency in nutrient conversion, which is say, like if you 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:57.119 eat an apple, you can convert you know x amount 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.480 of the energy available in the apple into you know, 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:05.000 energy for yourself metabolism, right and poop right yeah, that 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:09.000 but poop is waste, so that stuff wouldn't count toward efficiency. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.960 It would actually subtract from your efficiency and lower your efficiency. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.760 If you ate an apple and used every bit of 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:20.280 it and it produced zero poop, you would have efficiently 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.640 converted that apple into useful energy, right. 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:23.679 And that'd be a weird apple. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:25.919 It would be a be a magic apple, and you 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:30.320 wouldn't need a poop shoot, but instead you do. Because 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.879 there is no such thing as one hundred percent efficiency 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.720 in any animal, right, But some are better than others, 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.560 like you were saying, And with a cricket, it's something 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.919 like they're like twelve times more efficient at converting food 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:49.960 into usable energy or stored in this case stored protein. Right. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.840 So for every kilogram of live cricket weight, which is 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:58.359 a pretty substantial amount of crickets, but but kilogram to 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.639 kilogram or pound to pound, it just takes one point 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:06.159 seven kilograms of feed to produce one kilogram of live crickets. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:11.000 Not bad for a cow. It takes ten kilograms of 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:16.160 feed to produce one kilogram of beef. Very inefficient by comparison. 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.520 So if you take the fact that it doesn't take 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:24.639 much feed to produce a biomass of crickets, and that 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.159 crickets are eighty percent edible and digestible compared to the 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:32.000 cows forty percent edible and digestible, then you really have 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.960 a if you're just going pound to pound or kilogram 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.720 to kilogram and much more nutrient dens, much more efficient 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:45.240 and then therefore much much less wasteful animal that you 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:45.680 could eat. 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:47.600 Yeah, A lot of that has to do with the 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.200 fact that crickets are cold blooded, so they're very much 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:54.760 more efficient at converting that feed into protein. And crickets 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:58.159 aren't even the most efficient insect. 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:00.679 No, no, huh, sure which one is? 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:01.080 Actually? 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:05.360 I think mealworms are pretty efficient. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.000 Yeah, he just said that because you're eating a meal worm. 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.720 Right, Well, I have a meal worm farm. I was 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.520 gonna ask you to buy in on. Oh really, uh huh, 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:16.159 all right, in my pocket. 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:20.040 See is that a meal worm farm in your pocket? 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.680 It is my pocket mulch Uh. 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:28.680 So, like we mentioned, mister bach Ruber is if he's 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:29.760 not German, he should be. 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:36.320 Kevin bach Kruber. I think he's, uh, but he's Irish German. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.600 Maybe it's spelled kV in though, So we're just inserting 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:41.120 vowels for me. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:42.440 Right like d n C. 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:44.520 What's that? 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:45.720 It's this band? 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:51.440 Okay, probably a young person's band, I believe, so, no wonder, 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.440 I don't know, uh, but he is one of I 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:55.680 think they're about and this has probably changed even since 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:56.160 this is written. 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:57.119 About twenty five or so. 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:01.000 Uh, cricket startup farms here in the United States. 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.040 Yeah, I couldn't find the current number. 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:05.240 Yeah, let's just say at least twenty five. 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:09.480