1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone. I hope you're having a great weekend so far. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 2: Do you want to know about crickets and how you 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: can sustain yourself on them? Well, then listen to this 4 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: episode Are Crickets the Future of Food? And this is 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: from September seventh, twenty seventeen. I hope you enjoy it 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: all over again. 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 3: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey, 8 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh W Chuck Clark. 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 3: There's Charles Malcolm Bryant, and there's Jerry the Wiz rolling. 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: That sounds like an Aaron Cooper poster gone bad. Yeah already. 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have like the swirling face like the weird 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 3: people in Jacob's Ladder. 13 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: It's funny. 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: We had a office visitor a couple of weeks ago, 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: and I don't think you were here, And in fact 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: I know. 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: You weren't here because you would have been in here, right. 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: But there was a there's our great step Brothers, you 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: know the movie Step Brothers. 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: For those of you out here out there, there's. 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: A promo of John c Riley and Will Ferrell with 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: as like a with an Olin Mills type uh, you know, 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: post photograph and Aaron Cooper or our buddy from Kansas 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: who does our great photoshop stuff, made us into I 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: was John c. Rally and you were Will Ferrell. And 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: the guy came in and was looking around and was like, 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: oh man, these are great and look at that, and 28 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: you know that looks like I don't know, it looks 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 2: like it could be like something like the movie Step 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: Brother or something that. 31 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: Said, oh, that's exactly what it is. Yeah. 32 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: I tried to make him not feel bad. 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: That was nice of you. That was very gracious of 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: you as a host. 35 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, like he didn't quite zone in on all of 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: them were us. 37 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: We should have like clapped loudly beside his ear. Uh. 38 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: Man, I had a little scary thing today, How if 39 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: I may. This is kind of part PSA. This has 40 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: nothing to do with cricket farming. 41 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 3: Ok, but. 42 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: We're getting our basement waterproofed because for thirteen years it's 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: been leaking water like really bad. 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 1: Someone so that we have mold now. 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, black mold, yes, and oh no. 46 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: We're also getting mold remediation done at the same time. 47 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: Man. 48 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 2: So, needless to say, that's a fun, fun way to 49 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: spend a lot of money. But I come home today 50 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: and my carbon monoxide alarm is going off because these 51 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: yahoos are using a gas powered concrete saw in our basement. No, 52 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: and it's like full on saying, you know, get out 53 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: of the house, and my animals are in there, so oh, man, 54 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: Like and I just happened to go home after I 55 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: went to a coffee shop to study because I needed 56 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: to grab something. But like, I literally could have come 57 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: home to dead animals, man and dead workmen. 58 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah those guys too. Wow, I'll bet they're 59 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: not the sharpest tax in the box anymore. 60 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 1: That was weird man. And they were down there. 61 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: I mean, not only did they not have on so 62 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: much as a dust mask for the gas, but like 63 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: concrete dust is really dangerous too. 64 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 3: They're like, I don't care. I've got Obama care. 65 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: It was a. 66 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: Weird man, and just it freaked me out to the 67 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: point where Emily she wanted to like fire the guy. 68 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: He wasn't even there, like the you know, the foreman 69 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: or right owner the company. Yeah, and she wanted to 70 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: be like, man, if he doesn't understand that this is dangerous, 71 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: and he said, you know, open up your windows, it'll 72 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: be clear in fifteen minutes and it took two hours 73 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: for that alarm to stop going off. 74 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Wow, that is really scary. 75 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: It was really bad. Man. 76 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: I was out on my deck basically for the rest 77 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: of the morning until I came in with my dogs 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: and my cat in a crate. 79 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: Man, that's like how some people commit suicide. I know, 80 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: you know, yeah, and these guys are just doing it. 81 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: Grottis for you. 82 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. It was weird. 83 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, so I'm slightly shaken. Yeah, I'll bet. I'm 84 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 3: glad you made it. Man. You look good. You look okay, 85 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: Thank you. You look healthy. Your pallor isn't gaunt. I 86 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: think you're You're okay. 87 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: I just got to calm down here. That the sound 88 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: of the crickets on our miniature cricket farm here for 89 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: soothing me. 90 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: At least I know they put me to sleep. 91 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad we set that up. 92 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: That was pretty good. That was one of our better segues. 93 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: Sadly enough. 94 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: Thanks. 95 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we are talking crickets, aren't we. 96 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we covered entomophagy. 97 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: I meant to look up when, but it was seems 98 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: like a long time ago, right, And that's eating bugs 99 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: and insects. But this is focusing specifically on crickets because 100 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: by all accounts, they seem like sort of the our 101 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: best bet at trying to get something like this going 102 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: in America. 103 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: For real. 104 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're I mean, they're pretty easy to raise. They 105 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: don't require much space. You can set up your own 106 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: cricket farm at home. And really, we should say, the 107 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: point of all this, the whole reason anybody would want 108 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: people to start raising crickets at home is because the well, 109 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: the earth is about to collapse and our food supply 110 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 3: is in real danger. Right, So I've got some stats 111 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: for you, chuck. So meat consumption per capita has increased 112 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: into the developed world. Actually it's doubled in the last 113 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: thirty years, and that's thanks in no small part to 114 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: the rise of the brick countries Brazil, Russia, India, and 115 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: China who have huge, massive populations, and as they entered capitalists, 116 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: the capitalist global economy have generally become enriched, and the 117 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: more money they have, the more meat civilization tends to consume, 118 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 3: at least these days. Right, So that doesn't seem bad 119 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: in and of itself until you look into what kind 120 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: of resources it takes to actually raise meat. So you 121 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 3: ready for this one. 122 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm afraid to produce. 123 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: One pound of meat that's a half a kilo basically 124 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: of meat, beef, beef. Sorry, Yeah, it requires about twenty 125 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: four hundred gallons of water. 126 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: I've heard stuff like that before. 127 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: Which is like absolutely nuts, even when you consider that 128 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: not only are you watering the cow, you're also watering, 129 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: you know, the crops that you feed to the cow, 130 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: So there's double water consumption. But one of the problem, 131 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 3: one of the reasons cattle beef requires so much water, 132 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 3: is because you only consume forty percent of the cow. 133 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so sixty. 134 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 3: Percent of the water is going to sustain parts of 135 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: the cow you're not even eating, right, So there's a 136 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 3: lot of wasted water, even if your water delivery system 137 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: is one hundred percent efficient, right, Yeah, that's just water. 138 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 3: Fifty one percent of the greenhouse gases that are emitted 139 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: on planet Earth come from animal agriculture. Yeah, fifty one percent. 140 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: And one third of the world's adequate or high quality 141 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: cropland has been lost to erosion or pollution in the 142 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: last forty years. Now. That's a huge problem, whether we 143 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: are all vegetarians or not. Because we're talking crop land, 144 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: but we use way more crop land to feed our 145 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: livestock than we do to feed ourselves. Right, something like 146 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 3: fifty six million acres of land are used to grow 147 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: crops in the United States to feed animals. Four million 148 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: are used to grow crops for human consumption. So there's 149 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of resources that are used up 150 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: just from meat based diets. Right. A lot of people say, well, 151 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: just go to plant based diets, and other people say 152 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 3: you can't get enough protein from plant based diets, which 153 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: apparently is not true from what I'm seeing. Other people 154 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 3: are saying, fine, you want some protein, I got something 155 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: for you, and it's crickets. 156 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of all I'm not surprised, but it 157 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: goes to show you the population boom. If meat consumption 158 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: has increased that much in the face of probably more 159 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: vegetarianism and veganism than ever before, too, you know. 160 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of heartening, Like if if there does 161 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: seem to be if I guess if societies follow. 162 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd like we should. 163 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: I mean, we've been dancing around doing episodes on vegetarianism 164 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: and veganism for a while, so we should probably tackle 165 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: that at some point. 166 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: All right. 167 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: I'm kind of curious about the history because it seems 168 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: like in the like probably since the onset of America 169 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: until and then I'm talking off my at the top 170 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: of my head here, but until probably the nineties, it 171 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: seemed like everybody who's just like meat, meat meat, meat, meat. 172 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 3: Well, there's I mean, it's definitely associated with wealth, right, 173 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 3: If you can afford to eat a nice steak kind 174 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: of indicates you have a certain amount of status in 175 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: your society, right. 176 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: Well, like the fifties, it seems like they would eat 177 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: steak for lunch, right, And I can't imagine, like a 178 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: steak for lunch. 179 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 3: That seems so indulgent. Yeah, I think it is, you know, yeah, like. 180 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, just give me, give me the twenty ounce Rabbi 181 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: for lunch. Right, It's just I don't know, I can't 182 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: imagine that. But in three martinis, I don't argue with 183 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: that part. 184 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 3: That is pretty indulgent. Three martinis and a twenty ounce 185 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: Ribby for lunch. 186 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean that was don Draper, you know. 187 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I never saw that show. I know, I never 188 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 3: saw it. 189 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: It's it's available. 190 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: Where is it out there? Really? I thought they erased it. 191 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: All, Yeah, they did. 192 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: So that's it, it's done. Uh huh. Didn't he go 193 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: become a lumberjack at the end, No he did not. Okay, 194 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 3: Oh that's dexter. 195 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: Uh oh man. And then we've talked about the ending 196 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: of that show. 197 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: Great, I actually never saw the end of that one. 198 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 3: You've just told me about it. 199 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you still to yourself just to watch 200 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: the finale. 201 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 3: Okay. 202 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: So this dude, Kevin, how would you pronounce that bachhuber bach? 203 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: Which is fine, that's clearly bach and hub r. You 204 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: just don't often see two h's side by side. So anyway, 205 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: Kevin Bachhuba is a dude that is kind of championing, 206 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: not kind of very much championing this movement. In two 207 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 2: thousand and seven, he went to Thailand and tasted crickets 208 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: deep fried crickets, and he's from California, and he was like, hey, 209 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 2: this is really good. 210 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: He's been far out. 211 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: They've been doing this in Thailand since the late nineties. 212 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: The king established a big growing program for crickets and 213 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 2: cricket farms education in schools, like, you know, this is 214 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 2: a good way to get protein in your diet. And 215 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: he said, I think this is the direction America should 216 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: go and I'm going to get in on the money 217 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: side of it. 218 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, like the farming of it. 219 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: Apparently it's a twenty million dollar industry already. Not bad, No, 220 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 3: it isn't. And we should say that bach Kuber is 221 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: one of several people who are into this, the idea 222 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: of cricket farming, commercial cricket farming, and he's definitely one 223 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: of the ogs for sure. His business was the first 224 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 3: to get approval to sell crickets as food in the 225 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: United States. You got FDA approval because the cricket industry 226 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: actually is kind of old. Well it's not too old, 227 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 3: but I saw anywhere between fifty and seventy years old 228 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: in the US, and they're raised to say feed fish 229 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: for commercial fish farming, or to grind up as a 230 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 3: protein supplement for livestock feed. So people have been using 231 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: crickets for a while, or to feed to like reptiles, 232 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: to sell them to pet stores. 233 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so there. 234 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: Was an established infrastructure of cricket farming, but the making 235 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: the transition from selling it to feed to cows or 236 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,119 Speaker 3: fish or snakes to selling it to people to eat directly, 237 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 3: that that was a big step. And bach Huber was 238 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 3: the first one to take it in the US. I 239 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: should just say, the reason I point out he's just 240 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: one of many is because this house Stuff Works article 241 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: is basically like, here's my report on Kevin back Huber's 242 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: ted ted talk sort of. You know, yeah, I think 243 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: just he definitely deserves, you know, credit, because he's leading 244 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 3: the charge, but so are other people as well. 245 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's woven throughout this thing though. Yeah. And you know, 246 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: if you listen to the Entomopogy episode. 247 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 3: Episode no it's it's episode. 248 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: We pointed out then, and it bears repeating that America 249 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: is new to this. But I think it was like 250 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 2: Canada and the United States and Western Europe are literally 251 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: the only places on Earth that don't consume insects as 252 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: a regular part of their diet these days. 253 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: So I saw, so this article kind of says the 254 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: standard eighty percent of the world regularly consumes insects as 255 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: part of their diet. I saw that there's a Food 256 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: and Agriculture Organization, the UN organization report said something it 257 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 3: was more like about a third of the populations rather 258 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 3: than eighty percent, maybe like thirty to thirty five percent, 259 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: which is still significant. 260 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big difference. 261 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: It is, and in the West specifically, the idea of 262 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: eating bugs is not It's not commonplace, right, And I 263 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: actually saw a pretty good explanation for why, Like thirteen 264 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 3: of the fourteen large livestock animals that are domesticated are 265 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: found in Eurasia and made their way over to the Americas, 266 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: and those things those animals provide not just meat, but 267 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: also things like milk, clothing, everything. Basically, so since since 268 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: these what you would call Western countries had access to 269 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: these domesticated animals, they never needed bugs as a food source. 270 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: And then secondly, since they were raising domesticated animals, by definition, 271 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: they had a sedentary agricultural lifestyle, which meant that their 272 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: exposure to bugs was bugs as pests. So not only 273 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 3: were bugs not edible, they were something you that were 274 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: just undesirable on their face. So that led to the 275 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: it closed the door on bugs being eaten by Westerners, 276 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: and so that came to be filled by a sense 277 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: of disgust, which is a basic human emotion, but it's 278 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: the only one that's culturally bound, which means you learn 279 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: what is disgusting from your cultural group. 280 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. 281 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: But that also means you can unlearn it too. 282 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: Well, this big cricket has anything to do with it, 283 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: Why don't we took a quick break and we're going 284 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: to come back and talked about a UN report that 285 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: kind of changed a lot of things about four years ago. 286 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: All right, so I promised you a UN report twenty 287 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: thirteen there was a big kind of sea change. 288 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 3: I don't know about sea change. It was the beginning 289 00:15:58,680 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: beginning of a sea change. 290 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: They issued a report called Edible Insects Colon Future Prospects 291 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: for Food and Feed Security, and it was basically just 292 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: championing entomophagy and all the benefits that surround it, like 293 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: how nutrient dense crickets and other insects are, the fact 294 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: that it's socially sustainable, economically viable, and friendly, environmentally friendly, 295 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: and it kind of, you know, kind of paints it 296 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: as like, hey, this is the future, or it could 297 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 2: be part of the future at least of getting protein 298 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: into you know, Americans. 299 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: Right, And the report itself didn't focus exclusively on crickets, 300 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 3: but crickets feature prominently in the report. 301 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: The star it was about. 302 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: It was about bugs in general and eating bugs in general, 303 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: and it was it made a pretty big splash. I 304 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 3: remember when it came out, like it really hit the 305 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: news cycle pretty hard. But it also caught the attention 306 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: of that back Huber guy who said, all right, I'm 307 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: gonna I think I'm gonna get into this because he'd 308 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: already been exposed to eating crickets in Thailand and then 309 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: that when that UN report came out, he I think 310 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 3: began as start up here in the States of his 311 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: commercial cricket farm startup. 312 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny they put in this article that it 313 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: was the most popular document in the history of the UN. 314 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't see that anywhere. I think that was 315 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: he said that at his ted report. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, 316 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: it definitely made a splash. I'll give him that for sure. 317 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he spoke at a ted X Youngstown, Ohio, because 318 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: that's where he's based, that's where his company is, right, 319 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: and I guess he just made up his own ted 320 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: X probably. All right, so let's talk about crickets. Well, 321 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 2: all insects in particular are very rich in protein. Like 322 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 2: we've talked about. They have a lot of healthy fats, Yeah, 323 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: a lot of zinc, a lot of iron, a lot 324 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 2: of calcium, and there's something called I guess efficient animals. 325 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean this. 326 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: Is when vegetarians and vegans are like, these kind of 327 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: terms make their skin crawl, I'm sure. But the kind 328 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: of efficiency you get out of raising and killing and 329 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 2: eating an animal is on a spectrum, and you know, 330 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 2: from cows, like you talked about, it's probably the worst, 331 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: I would guess, don't you think, right? 332 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 3: Right? The animal itself is efficient at converting food that 333 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 3: you feed it into stuff that you can get from it. 334 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, so like you said, not a lot of the 335 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: cow is used to eat. 336 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 3: No, it's like forty percent of a cow is edible 337 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 3: and digestible. 338 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: And I think the chicken is about the most efficient 339 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: animal protein right now, right, nothing like crickets. 340 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 3: So there's two different things here, right. So you've got 341 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 3: efficiency in nutrient conversion, which is say, like if you 342 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 3: eat an apple, you can convert you know x amount 343 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 3: of the energy available in the apple into you know, 344 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: energy for yourself metabolism, right and poop right yeah, that 345 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 3: but poop is waste, so that stuff wouldn't count toward efficiency. 346 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: It would actually subtract from your efficiency and lower your efficiency. 347 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 3: If you ate an apple and used every bit of 348 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: it and it produced zero poop, you would have efficiently 349 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 3: converted that apple into useful energy, right. 350 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: And that'd be a weird apple. 351 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 3: It would be a be a magic apple, and you 352 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: wouldn't need a poop shoot, but instead you do. Because 353 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 3: there is no such thing as one hundred percent efficiency 354 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 3: in any animal, right, But some are better than others, 355 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: like you were saying, And with a cricket, it's something 356 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 3: like they're like twelve times more efficient at converting food 357 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 3: into usable energy or stored in this case stored protein. Right. 358 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: So for every kilogram of live cricket weight, which is 359 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 3: a pretty substantial amount of crickets, but but kilogram to 360 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 3: kilogram or pound to pound, it just takes one point 361 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 3: seven kilograms of feed to produce one kilogram of live crickets. 362 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 3: Not bad for a cow. It takes ten kilograms of 363 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 3: feed to produce one kilogram of beef. Very inefficient by comparison. 364 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: So if you take the fact that it doesn't take 365 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 3: much feed to produce a biomass of crickets, and that 366 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 3: crickets are eighty percent edible and digestible compared to the 367 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: cows forty percent edible and digestible, then you really have 368 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 3: a if you're just going pound to pound or kilogram 369 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: to kilogram and much more nutrient dens, much more efficient 370 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 3: and then therefore much much less wasteful animal that you 371 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 3: could eat. 372 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, A lot of that has to do with the 373 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 2: fact that crickets are cold blooded, so they're very much 374 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: more efficient at converting that feed into protein. And crickets 375 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 2: aren't even the most efficient insect. 376 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 3: No, no, huh, sure which one is? 377 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: Actually? 378 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 3: I think mealworms are pretty efficient. 379 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he just said that because you're eating a meal worm. 380 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 3: Right, Well, I have a meal worm farm. I was 381 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: gonna ask you to buy in on. Oh really, uh huh, 382 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 3: all right, in my pocket. 383 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: See is that a meal worm farm in your pocket? 384 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 3: It is my pocket mulch Uh. 385 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: So, like we mentioned, mister bach Ruber is if he's 386 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: not German, he should be. 387 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: Kevin bach Kruber. I think he's, uh, but he's Irish German. 388 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 2: Maybe it's spelled kV in though, So we're just inserting 389 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 2: vowels for me. 390 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 3: Right like d n C. 391 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: What's that? 392 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: It's this band? 393 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: Okay, probably a young person's band, I believe, so, no wonder, 394 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: I don't know, uh, but he is one of I 395 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 2: think they're about and this has probably changed even since 396 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: this is written. 397 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: About twenty five or so. 398 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 2: Uh, cricket startup farms here in the United States. 399 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't find the current number. 400 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just say at least twenty five. 401 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: Okay, although I'll bet they go under pretty quick, you think, so, 402 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 3: I could see I could see losing your shirt on 403 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 3: cricket farming right now. It's so it's just so early, yeah, 404 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 3: and the market is so not there, and the stuff 405 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: they're producing is so expensive. 406 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: Well, and their output right now is still really small 407 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: in the in the early years here. But you know, 408 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: the dream for for him and all these cricket farmers 409 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: is that one day it will it will. I don't 410 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: think they have designs it will ever be like in 411 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: some parts of the world where it's on every menu 412 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 2: and every restaurant. But they would certainly like to see 413 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: cricket snacks in grocery stores and menu offerings and some 414 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: some of the more wacky hipster restaurants, right at least. 415 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 416 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: Did you do you watch Shirt Tank? 417 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: Oh? You know, I do? 418 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 3: Okay, So did you see the one withal was Wang 419 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: and Laura DeSario. I've seen them all Okay, so you 420 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 3: saw the one with chirps their snack, their cricket based 421 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 3: snack product, Chirps. I want to try it. 422 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: I do too. 423 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: I'm not like, I'm not an adventurous eater, as you know, 424 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: but I would totally try fried crickets and things that 425 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 2: doesn't gross me out for some reason. 426 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: No, I and I would try it as well. And 427 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 3: do you. I don't know if you remember or not, 428 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 3: but when we did that locust thing for Science Channel, 429 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: it's like the second time it has come up this month. 430 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: Weirdly enough, they made fried locus and I refuse to 431 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 3: eat them, right, And it wasn't because I was grossed out. 432 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: It was because I was sure that I was going 433 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 3: to have some sort of weird allergic reaction to them. 434 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: Oh right, yeah, yeah, And I would have had to 435 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: have been, like you know, life flighted somewhere to a 436 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 3: hospital and would have missed my flight home. That is 437 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 3: the only reason I didn't eat them. It had nothing 438 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 3: to do with disgust. But in that UN report they 439 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 3: address allergies and they said that it's actually exceedingly rare 440 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 3: that somebody has an allergic reaction to an arthropod. Yeah, 441 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 3: or to an insect, I should say. But the reason 442 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 3: why I thought so is because yeah, I had had 443 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 3: like a shrimp blow up once, right, and I just 444 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 3: was not about to roll the dice on that, not 445 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 3: for what Science Channel was paying us. 446 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's very funny that you. I remember 447 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: your shrimp, your shrimp years in that you had an 448 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: allergic reaction to shrimp, but you wanted to eat shrimp 449 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: so bad you started to eat shrimp a little bit 450 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 2: just to see if you could eat shrimp. 451 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Shrimp chips, yeah, which use real shrimp powder. It's 452 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 3: like I think Japanese or Korean or Chinese delicacy. 453 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: But now you can eat shrimp, right. 454 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, he did immunotherapy and now I'm fine. I can 455 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 3: eat shrimp all day long. 456 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: I just love that you were so dedicated to you. 457 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I love shrimp man, good shrimp like season with 458 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 3: Old Bay, just simple stuff. Oh man, so good. 459 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: This is a great time to bring up one of 460 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: my big pet peeves. Okay, I know that cooking with 461 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: shrimp heads and tails on increases the flavor quite a bit, 462 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: does it? Yeah? Okay, which is why they do it. 463 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: But it's one thing if you get an appetizer with 464 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: like the the like. 465 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: A prawn with a head left on or something. 466 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: But if you like I get pasta dishes sometimes, oh yeah, 467 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: that have like heads and tails on them. 468 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: If there's a fork involved, you don't want to have 469 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 3: to put your fork down and take the head and 470 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 3: tail off. 471 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 2: No, like you literally have to dig them out of 472 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: the pasta, take the head and tail off, and then 473 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: put them back in your food, right, which is just 474 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: I don't get why restaurants do that, Like maybe cook 475 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: it in there and then take it off for us. 476 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: So I ran across the reason probably why. 477 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's hear it. 478 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 3: There's something called kiten which makes up the exoskeleton of bugs, 479 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: but it also makes up the shells of crustaceans as well, 480 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 3: and kiten sup if you don't have an allergic reaction 481 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 3: to it. Kiten is apparently good for it's it's said 482 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 3: to be good for weight loss, yeah, digestion. It aids 483 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 3: in digestion allegedly, and I think it has something to 484 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 3: do with your blood pressure too. And in other countries, 485 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: non non Western countries, I think they prescribed kiten quite 486 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 3: a bit as like a dietary supplement. And I saw 487 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 3: one study that said, yeah, I had a little bit 488 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 3: of an effect, a little more than placebo, but not 489 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 3: clinically significant. But it was just one study, so I'm 490 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: curious if kiten actually does have an effect. But it's possible. 491 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 3: They're saying you should eat the whole thing. Well, this shell, 492 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 3: what I mean, it's I don't know. They could also 493 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 3: just be a fat, lazy chef, you know. 494 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'll eat a soft shell crab till 495 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 2: the cows come home. 496 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: But I'm not eating a shrimp tail. 497 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 3: Yeah it sounds gross. Well, it's just not like they 498 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 3: don't soften up enough, you know. But if you think 499 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 3: about it, though, if you're eating a fried cricket or something, 500 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: you're eating the whole thing shell and all antenna. 501 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I thought that in the soft shell 502 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: crab zone. 503 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 3: So you eat the shell of the soft shell crab. Yeah, 504 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: that's what you're supposed to do. That's what it is. 505 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: I don't know that i've ever had soft shell crab. Oh, 506 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 3: my friend, is that like a blue crab? 507 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: No. 508 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 2: I think it's a special kind of crab. Oh that has. 509 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 3: Parents must love it very much. 510 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: I might be wrong. 511 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 2: I think it's a special kind of crab and then 512 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: you prepare it with the shell. But I think the 513 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: shell is soft to begin with, though I don't think 514 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: it's just from cooking. But like spider roll is one 515 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: of my favorite sushi rolls, that's soft shell crab. 516 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I thought that was crab like spelled with 517 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 3: a cave like fake crab. 518 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: No. 519 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: No, that like the little legs are coming out of 520 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 2: the end and everything. That's why they call it a 521 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: spider roll because it looks like little spider legs. 522 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 3: And I'll try that. 523 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: And then like a soft shell crab sandwiches, I mean, 524 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: you open the bun and there's just like this crab 525 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 2: staring at you. 526 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 3: Going, how's it going? You're gonna eat me in a second, 527 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: aren't you. 528 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: Oh I'm getting hungry now, and you. 529 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: Want to take a break real quick. 530 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: Well quickly before we just should mention that they did 531 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 2: get a deal on Shark Tank. 532 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, with Mark Cuban for Chirps. 533 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 3: Right, we're contractually obligated to munch Mark Cuban. 534 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: That's right, we get our kickback coming. 535 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 3: I would try chirps for sure. If the Chrips people 536 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 3: are out there listening and you want to send us 537 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 3: some chirps, I will try them up, all right, So 538 00:28:37,960 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: let's take that break. Okay, So Chuck, we said I 539 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 3: think I said that one of the things that's holding 540 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 3: this industry back right now is that the it's so 541 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 3: expensive the products they're making. There's something called cricket flour, 542 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: which is ground up cricket meal, basically a protein powder 543 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: made from crickets, right, and it's it's anywhere from like 544 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 3: thirty five to fifty dollars a pound for it. Yeah, 545 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: it's very expensive, a lot of money, but it's really 546 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 3: ironic because crickets require so much less space and food 547 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: and water and electricity. It's apparently the labor force that 548 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: is the most expensive thing of any commercial cricket farm 549 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: because there it's just hard to find people who can 550 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 3: do that, even though it's not exactly hard, it's just 551 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: there's a lot of trial and error going on. So 552 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 3: from what I saw, it's the labor force that's that's 553 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: eating up most of the revenue or profits from cricket farming. 554 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: Well, finding all those tiny people, those three inch people, right, 555 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 2: it's not easy. 556 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 3: But there are startups also that are trying to sell 557 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 3: like home cricket kits too, Yeah, because that's part of 558 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: the whole idea where if you're gonna get people to 559 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: supplement their diet, well just let them grow them at 560 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 3: home too. 561 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: So should we talk a little bit about the farming. Yeah, 562 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 2: So crickets live about seven weeks. I mean that right 563 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: there shows you a big difference between that and like 564 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: the beef industry. So during that seven week life cycle, 565 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: they have three different environments that they reside in, and 566 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 2: they basically live and hang out on what they call 567 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: cricket high rises, which are little egg cartons. 568 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw that they have tried all sorts of 569 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: different material and they keep going back to egg cartons 570 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 3: for some reason. Crickets just love hanging out on egg carts. 571 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: Well, who doesn't. 572 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: And what they eat is because I was kind of 573 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: wondering that they eat grain based feed, organic grain based feed, 574 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 2: fruits and vegetables, and they some of them will reach 575 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: that breeding stage, some won't, and if they do, they're 576 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: gonna lay a lot of eggs, Like you know, several 577 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: thousand eggs a mommy cricket will lay in her lifetime. 578 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, so many eggs in fact, that they they typically 579 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 3: just throw most of them out, like they'll keep some 580 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 3: to grow a new generation from. But there's just so 581 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: many that are just tossed out because they don't have 582 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 3: the capacity yet to grow them. Yeah, so that you 583 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 3: know they're I think back Huber put it like he 584 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 3: could be drowning in eggs if he's not. 585 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: Careful, drowning in cricket eggs. 586 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 2: He probably wakes up every night sweating occurring greens. 587 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 3: He probably really does wake up every night from the 588 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: cricket chirping. 589 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: Oh, I never really thought about that. That must be nice, Actually, yeah, 590 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: it can be. 591 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: So they like hot, humid environments, or at least warm, 592 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: depending on your definition of hot. It's hot to me 593 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 2: eighty five to ninety five degrees fahrenheit with about a 594 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: forty eight percent humidity level yep. And the whole process 595 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 2: from soup to nuts or from eggs to chirps is 596 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: about fifty six days. 597 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, roughly. Yeah. And if you can do this yourself 598 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: at home, you just need basically two terrariums. You need 599 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 3: to put them near heat, because that is substantial. Eighty 600 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 3: five to ninety five degrees is hot, way hotter than 601 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 3: you're going to keep your house. So you do need 602 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 3: like a heat lamp of some sort, and you need 603 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 3: water a source of water too. Those are the two 604 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 3: most important things with raising crickets. And the reason you 605 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: have two terrariums is because in the one where you 606 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: have like the thirty initial crickets, say, you're going to 607 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 3: put a dish of soil and that's where they're going 608 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 3: to lay their eggs. You want to check the soil 609 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: every day for eggs, and when you find eggs, you 610 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 3: take that little soil dish out and put it in 611 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 3: the other terrarium, and then that's where the eggs are 612 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 3: going to grow and hatch. And when the crickets hatch, 613 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: they're fully formed. There's no larval stage, right, they don't 614 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 3: go from like a maggot into a cricket. They're fully formed. 615 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 3: They're just much smaller, right. 616 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 617 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 3: And according to Aristotle, it's about around here or maybe 618 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 3: within the next like week or so, that they're the 619 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: most delicious Aristotle. Yeah. Aristotle wrote in his Historia Animalium. 620 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 3: Actually he was writing about cicadas that they're better when 621 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 3: they're before their last mold. So I guess I wouldn't 622 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: apply to crickets. No, I would, because they molt? 623 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: Did they? 624 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 3: They do molt. He also said that females taste best 625 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 3: after copulation because they are full of eggs after Aristotle 626 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 3: has copulated, right or after. Instead of a cigarette, you 627 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 3: just need a pregnant female cicada. Try this baby, right, 628 00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 3: it'll knock your socks off. 629 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: I bet Aristotle pillow talk with something else. 630 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 3: I don't find it, you know, or it just be 631 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 3: like ugh, yeah, man, he just keeps going on and 632 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 3: on about cicadas. 633 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 2: So harvesting, I mean, there's no way around it. At 634 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 2: some point, like any live thing that you're raising, you're 635 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: gonna have to kill it. And instead of like what 636 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: we see on factory farms with cows and pigs, what 637 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 2: you do on a cricket farm is you cool them 638 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 2: down and then freeze them. And so what happens is 639 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 2: they they get cold, they start to get a little chili, 640 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 2: their temperature drops, and they go into what's called a diapause, 641 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: sort of a hibernation like state. And then pretty much 642 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 2: after that they go it is sure is chili in here? 643 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: And then they're gone and frozen. 644 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently they eventually freeze solid. So they spend about 645 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 3: twenty four hours in the freezer and then they're ready 646 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 3: to be sold. Yeah, either ground into say like a powder, 647 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 3: or baked into a fried snack or so old toes 648 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 3: somebody else. But that's that. And I was like, do 649 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 3: they wake up then if you heat them up in 650 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 3: a pan? But apparently after twenty four hours and their 651 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: frozen solid, they're dead. 652 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 653 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: But to them it's just like going to sleep forever. 654 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 655 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 2: I kind of wonder when I was reading this, I 656 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 2: was like, how do vegans and vegetarians feel about eating insects? 657 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 3: Supposedly it does not count as vegetarian. 658 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 2: Well, it depends on who you ask. I didn't get 659 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 2: any like there is no official rule book. There's not 660 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 2: I don't think so I'm surprised. But basically, I just 661 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: went to a bunch of vegan and vegetarian websites and 662 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 2: looked to see what people said, and it kind of 663 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 2: ranged from well, sure, ill eat insects and this is 664 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 2: a much better way to get protein in your body 665 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 2: than animals, to where other people said, no, it's a 666 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 2: living thing, not going to eat it. I get all 667 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: the protein I need from plants. If you're eating something 668 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 2: a live animal, then you're not a vegan in her 669 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 2: a vegetarian. 670 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw crickets referred to as many livestock all 671 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 3: one word. Yeah, I mean they are a live they're 672 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 3: a living animal. Yeah, sure, so I guess that's a 673 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 3: personal choice. It sounds like, yeah, just like you know, 674 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 3: vegetarians eat fish sometimes too. 675 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: Uh, Well, they'd be a pescatarian, right. 676 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 3: I guess. But I've met plenty of vegetarians. They're like, 677 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 3: I'm a vegetarian and I eat fish. Leave me alone. 678 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 2: And that's when you go technically you're a pescatarian, and 679 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 2: then you get punched in the face. Right, So, eating 680 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 2: crickets some people say sort of nutty. Some people say 681 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: it's a little sweet, like sweet corn. I'm I would 682 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: like to know for myself. I wish we could have 683 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: gotten her hand on some chirps beforehand. Yeah, but maybe 684 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 2: we can follow up in the future. 685 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 3: We need a big bowl of chirps right here. 686 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, like we did with the soilin Yeah, with 687 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: a soilent. 688 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 3: Soilent will do a follow up soilent. 689 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 2: So there's this lady Danny Ella Martin, and she has 690 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: a travel show and a well it's an insect cooking 691 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 2: and travel show called Girl Meets Bug, very cute, and 692 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 2: we should say the chirps ladies called crickets the Gateway 693 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 2: Bug also that was kind of funny and punny. And 694 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 2: Daniella says that she started eating crickets and kind of 695 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 2: became fascinated with insects in general when she was in 696 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 2: Mexico and Yucatan and kind of became, I don't think obsessed, 697 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 2: but just super interested in this as her protein of 698 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 2: choice and said, you know, I started cooking them up 699 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 2: with the little little butter, onion, little salt, and like 700 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 2: with anything, if you put it in a pan with 701 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 2: some butter and onion and salt, maybe a little garlic, 702 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 2: it's probably gonna taste pretty darn good. 703 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could cook almost anything with butter, salt and 704 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,720 Speaker 3: onions and you're fine. 705 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, even when you hear stories of these creepy cannibal people, 706 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they should cook it in butter. Yeah, with 707 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: a little salt and the onion and garlic. 708 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that one guy who advertised on like 709 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 3: Craigslist did cannibal. Yeah he saw it with yeah onion, 710 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 3: you're right, any I think it was say what he 711 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 3: ate penis like that he did. Man, that was a 712 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 3: very disturbing case. 713 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: Sure, so she says, crisping them in the oven is 714 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 2: another besides you know, grinding into powder, cooking him up, 715 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,959 Speaker 2: like broiling him in the oven. 716 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: Don't overcook it. 717 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 2: Olive oil, garlic, salt, Throw him in about two fifty 718 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 2: for about fifteen minutes and a little sea salt on 719 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 2: top maybe, and you're gonna have a crunchy, delicious, nutrient 720 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 2: rich snack. 721 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. And you want to clean them off too. If 722 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 3: you're cooking them from raw, they're bugs. That's it's something 723 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 3: you want to do. 724 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: What do you do just like wash them in a calendar? 725 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 3: I guess so, yeah, But I think like if they're 726 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 3: already prepared, you're probably okay. Because one of the big 727 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 3: things that that like back Huber did by getting f 728 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 3: day approval, like now you can't just raise crickets on 729 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 3: just anything, like they have to be fed food that 730 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 3: is okay for humans to eat too, which is something 731 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 3: that the cricket farming industry is running up against because 732 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 3: one of the big things proponents are saying is like, man, 733 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 3: you could raise crickets, if you had large scale cricket farms, 734 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 3: you could raise crickets on food waste, and if you 735 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 3: if you do that, not only are you like raising 736 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 3: your crickets, you're also getting rid of food waste. You're 737 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 3: composting basically, right, Yeah, composting, that's the way you say it. 738 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 3: But apparently that day is like now you can't feed 739 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 3: things food waste and nut job. You're gonna eat it eventually, 740 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 3: So there's big rules against it. But that I think 741 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 3: they're trying to chip away at that as well. 742 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 743 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 2: I remember being alarmed when I briefly worked in the 744 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 2: chicken industry when I found out that a lot of 745 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 2: chicken feed is made from chickens. 746 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,959 Speaker 3: Yeah not okay, Yeah, that's not right. So I saw 747 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,240 Speaker 3: in I think Popular Science, they had a little nutrition 748 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 3: facts thing for crickets. It's so cute. They said, for 749 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 3: one hundred grams of crickets, you're looking at about one 750 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty one hundred and twenty one calories. Okay, 751 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 3: You've got about five and a half grams of carbs, Okay, 752 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 3: twelve point nine grams of protein. That is substantial, Yeah, 753 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 3: seventy five point eight milligrams of calcium and nine and 754 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 3: a half milligrams of iron. That's also pretty substantial. Just 755 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,879 Speaker 3: from one hundred grams, I think they estimate that's about 756 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 3: twenty to twenty two crickets. 757 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: Like a handful and a half. Yeah. 758 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,439 Speaker 3: Nice, that that's pretty good. And the idea that if 759 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 3: you are just raising crickets yourself, you can feed them 760 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:05,240 Speaker 3: your own kitchen waist, Yeah, and then eat the cricket yourself. 761 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 3: There's also right right, there's also very low barriers to 762 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 3: entry into cricket farming. So if you're if you're not 763 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 3: a wealthy person and you need to make some extra money, 764 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 3: you could conceivably raise crickets yourself and then sell them 765 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 3: at market too. It's like podcasting exactly exactly. I think 766 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,479 Speaker 3: that's it. I got nothing else, all right, Well, it's 767 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 3: cricket farming. Everybody, go make it happen. And in the meantime, 768 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 3: you can look up this article on HowStuffWorks dot com. 769 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 3: And since I said that, it's time for listener maw. 770 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to call this Kevin Spacey's accent explained. Oh 771 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 2: and before I read this, there is a House of 772 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 2: Cards spoiler spoiler. 773 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: Alert to that. 774 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, just listen to the episode on accents. I'm 775 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 2: happy you brought up Kevin Spacey's sent from House of 776 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,640 Speaker 2: Cards because I have a theory. Spacey plays a character 777 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 2: Frank Underwood, grew up poor in Gaffney, South Carolina, but 778 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 2: then went on to the Citadel in Charleston and created 779 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 2: a persona that eventually lands him president. His accent does 780 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 2: not sound like a bad attempt at the r less 781 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 2: old money Charleston accent, but I think it fits the character. 782 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 2: Instead of a twangy, ar full accent that he'd have 783 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 2: from Gaffney, Spacey's playing Frank Underwood, who was playing someone 784 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,919 Speaker 2: with noble Southern roots, and that's why it sounds fake. 785 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 2: Am I giving Kevin Spacey too much credit? Possibly? But 786 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 2: being from Greenville, South Carolina, enjoyed dissecting his Carolina accent, 787 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 2: And actually I don't have much of an accent myself, 788 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 2: except with words like lawyer and oil. 789 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 1: Jerry just laughed. 790 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 2: Because my brother, who's ten years older, trained it out 791 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 2: of me when I was very young. He said he 792 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 2: didn't want people to underestimate my intelligence because of our accent. 793 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 2: He had correct me every time I would say things 794 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 2: like turn the light zone instead of trying the lights on, 795 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 2: or naked instead of naked. 796 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 3: If you're saying naked, macha with a length of drive 797 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,240 Speaker 3: bamboo and say again, say it again. 798 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,480 Speaker 2: I sort of wish I sounded more like the rest 799 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 2: of my family. But what a considerate thing for my 800 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 2: big brother to have done when he was a teenager. Seriously, 801 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 2: and that is from Mary Jean Murphy. 802 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 3: That was pretty great. Mary Gene, your brother is a 803 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 3: little social engineer, isn't he. 804 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: I like that? 805 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 3: And thank you also for the spoiler about Kevin Spacey 806 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 3: becoming president on House of Cards. If you want to 807 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,719 Speaker 3: get in touch with us like she did, you can 808 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 3: send us an email to Stuff Podcast at HowStuffWorks dot 809 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 3: com and as always, joined us at our home on 810 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 3: the web, stuff Youshould Know dot com. 811 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. 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