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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bedel Cast. Hello everybody, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus,

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Speaker 1: my name is Caitlin Durante, and this is our our

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Speaker 1: Today we are unlocking an episode from our may Treon

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Speaker 1: aka Patreon aka Matrion. It's an episode about the movie

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Speaker 1: And the reason we are unlocking this episode is because

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Speaker 1: I am releasing a podcast for the next two months

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Speaker 1: Kathy comics by Kathy guys White. I am very excited.

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Speaker 1: It was also produced by Sophie Lichterrman, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of just a look back at those comics. I think

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Speaker 1: that they're very generally misunderstood and mischaracterized as being anti

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Speaker 1: feminist or somehow regressive. When um, I've read every single

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Speaker 1: It's it was. It ran for almost thirty five years, um,

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Speaker 1: It's it's because it ended ten years ago, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it ran for a long time, and and and it

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Speaker 1: to it. It's called ac cast because Kathy says act

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Speaker 1: Or you can just search my name Jamie Loftus and

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Speaker 1: be coming out on Mondays. And so that is why

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Speaker 1: we are releasing five in eighties Working Girl, Deeply Flawed Classic.

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Speaker 1: doing this. So we're talking about nine to five. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: tell them that the three women tried to murder him.

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00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: So do rely is like fuck you. She hug ties

423
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: him just like in her fantasy, and then like a

424
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: boss first of all, yeah, and then Judy points a

425
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: gun at him, just like in her fantasy. And then

426
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: they kidnap him and take him to his house, and

427
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: then they're like, Okay, what do we do now? They

428
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: try to figure out if they can dig up any

429
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: dirt on him to blackmail him, and they figure out

430
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: that the Ajax account that he's been working on is

431
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 1: completely fraudulent, but they can't prove it until they get

432
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: the invoices from the company, which will take four to

433
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: six weeks, so they have to keep him tied up

434
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: in his home. Luckily, his wife is a way and

435
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: also his wife who is like the stuetest woman. Oh,

436
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: I thought she was super nice. She's sweet and gullible, yes,

437
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: also known as stupid. Well, I see, I kind of

438
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: disagree on that. I I thought that that was like

439
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: a little subversion where I think usually when you see

440
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: a boss's his wife, there's either no personality or she's

441
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: like jealous, Like when she walked in to see like

442
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton's character, I thought she was going to be like, hello,

443
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: do you know because I feel like that's the easy choice.

444
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: Not saying that that's the most brilliant, inspired choice, but

445
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: I was. I was actually scammed her way into like

446
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: a month long cruise. So she's actually a genius. And

447
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, you want me to go stay

448
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: at a nice hotel for another week? Great? Yeah, sure,

449
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 1: so I take I take back the stupid. She's just

450
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: a's just scam goddess. She's she's lay. Yeah, she's just lazy.

451
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: She's lazy. Mosley also listen to that podcast. It's really good.

452
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: Do it. So while he's tied up and away from

453
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: the office for these several weeks, Judy Dorley and Violet

454
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: makes some positive changes around the office, including radical radical

455
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: stuff and equal pay policy. They install a daycare center,

456
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: and there's also like an alcoholic rehabilitation program. Shout out

457
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: drunk feminist icon Margaret. I love Margaret. She was like

458
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: at a girl yeah. Um. But then Heart finally manages

459
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: to get loose and he covers his tracks with the

460
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: A Jack's account and he takes the three women into

461
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: the office, ready to call the police and wrap them out,

462
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: but just then the chairman of the board, Mr. Tinsworthy

463
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: Sanders shows up and praises Mr Hart for all of

464
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: these positive changes that have been implemented and honest original spices.

465
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: It's like, I just love this orange and yellow furniture. Yeah,

466
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: this is great. You're just like, yeah, sure. And then

467
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: Mr Tinsworth he wants Heart to work with him in Brazil.

468
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: So Heart leaves. They've gotten rid of him, and they

469
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: celebrate and they're like whoa, And that's the end of

470
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: the movie. Let's take a quick break and then we'll

471
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: come right back and we're back. So there's a lot

472
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: to talk about with this. Oh boy, this is a

473
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: fun this is a fun chat. Yes. I feel like

474
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: maybe for this movie it might even be best to

475
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: start with like a little bit of the history behind

476
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: how this movie, how this movie is, this, why this

477
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: movie exists. It's like, I think for this time you

478
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: kind of trace a lot of successful female driven comedies

479
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: back to this movie as kind of like the golden

480
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: standard that women want to see themselves reflected on screen.

481
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: And we will get into the whiteness of the women

482
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: that we see reflected on screen. But just to kind

483
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: of start, I mean, I don't think that you wouldn't

484
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: have a working girl without this movie. You wouldn't have

485
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: the first Wives Club. About this movie, It's just like

486
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: a lot of this definitely got a trend started because

487
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: it was so successful. It made This movie made its

488
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: budget back ten times. It had a ten million dollar budget,

489
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: made over a hundred million dollars at the box office.

490
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: What twenty highest grossing comedy film of all time. It

491
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: was the second highest grossing film of that year, right

492
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: behind the Star Wars movie of that year. I ever

493
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: heard of the Star Wars Like it's fun, Like, it's

494
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: huge that this movie did. This movie that started three

495
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: women with out like an actual romance storyline too, which

496
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: is amazing. It's and it's I mean, it's a feminist text.

497
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: It's white feminism, but it's like feminism. It's it's you know,

498
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: a narrow scope of feminism, white second wave. It's like, yeah,

499
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: I have friends at work, but it's like but it's

500
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: definitely like a touchstone in like making room for more

501
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: inclusive texts. Right, I mean, what other movies around this

502
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: time or even since then, Because there haven't been that many,

503
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: but are about like a group of women who are

504
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: fed up with their sexist boss and then like take

505
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: him down and then also implement positive changes in their workplace.

506
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: They like low key almost unionized, but I feel I

507
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: I would imagine that they got like studio notes of like, well,

508
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: don't be too explicit about the unionization stuff, but that's

509
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: pretty much what they do, right, Yeah, they just aren't

510
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: allowed to say. But yeah, I mean is like there

511
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of cool stuff and and I think

512
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: that it wasn't so this was like Dolly Parton's first

513
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: starring vehicle, so you were. My favorite fact about this

514
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: this movie is that Dolly Parton negotiated in her first

515
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: movie contract that she would not do the movie unless

516
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: she did the theme song, which is so fucking cool.

517
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: It's amazing. She's like, listen, listen, Jane, I'll do your

518
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: little movie and this song fucking slap it's my towne

519
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: number one, Like it's good still and like that. Well,

520
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: I'll take us through the lyrics in a bit, because

521
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: their radical lyrics. Also, Jane Fonda's production company was the

522
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: company that produced this movie. Jane Fonda was very much

523
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: a driving force behind getting this movie made, which, as

524
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: we know today still that like someone using their clout

525
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: to get a movie like this made is kind of

526
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: like one of the only ways to do it is

527
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: to have a powerful person strongly advocating for it. And

528
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: as it sounds like Jane Fonda did during the writing

529
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: process of this movie, like really let the writers go

530
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: the way that they wanted to go and make a

531
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: cool like and just gave them room. And the fact

532
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: that it fucking worked is so like it's it's exciting

533
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: that this you know movie got a lot of you know,

534
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: for the mistakes it makes, it made a lot of

535
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: progress in space and it makes me happy. It's a

536
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: pleasant watch. It's very pleasant. It's very fun. It's directed

537
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: by a queer director, queer icon, Colin Higgins, who is

538
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: perhaps most famous for writing Harold and maud Um, but

539
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: he also wrote He continued to work with Dolly Pardon

540
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: after this. He also wrote The Best Little hor House

541
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: in Texas. Yeah, and he directed it as well, And

542
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: so he co wrote and directed five. He is. I mean,

543
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: he's like a lot out of people, I guess like

544
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: Judd Apatow frequently cites him of an influence which we

545
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: can't hold against him. And then he passed away at

546
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: forty seven due to AIDS complications. Um So he had

547
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: like a brief bit like incredible life, like made these

548
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: three extremely iconic. And then his co writer, her name

549
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: is Patricia Resnick. She's still working writer today. Um she

550
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: started out working with Robert Altman and and continue to

551
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: write her own features after working on Three Women, which

552
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: I've never seen. But imagine three women in a movie.

553
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Um So, because you know she worked

554
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: on three women, She's like, now I have an idea

555
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: for three women. And but but she wrote it as

556
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: a drama, and then Jane Fonda read it and was like, oh,

557
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: I liked this story, but I think it should be

558
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: a comedy. And then Colin Higgins came in did a rewrite,

559
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: and then they bullied Lily Tomlin into joining and did

560
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: and thank goodness they did. Yeah. It's it's like, there's

561
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: a cool It seems like the collaborative process of of

562
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: this movie was cool and it was mostly driven by

563
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: women and queer people. Awesome. I'm just great helpful context

564
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: as always, Jamie, thank you so much. Let's get into

565
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: the story. The characters um, so we've got three iconic

566
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: characters here and they're all up against this like shitty,

567
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: horrible sexist boss Mr Hart. Something I liked about the Mr.

568
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: Hart character. I mean, there's nothing to like about it,

569
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: but the but the way he was written was I

570
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: feel like we have talked about this on the Matron

571
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: specifically a lot, but just when there are villains who

572
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: are abusive to women that are so overdone that like

573
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: male audience members couldn't see themselves in them at all,

574
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: which kind of just removes like, well, what's the point

575
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: of doing it? Um, But I don't think that they did.

576
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: I feel like this is like, I mean, some of

577
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of like played over the top because it's

578
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: a comedy, but I feel like the things that he

579
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: does are so recognizable, and I'm sure that like if

580
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: a man in like audience, they you know, he could

581
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: see his own behavior in that. But I mean I

582
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: did like that there seemed to be some care into

583
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: like making him a character that hopefully, you know, a

584
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: man could be like oh you know, oh fuck. It's

585
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: like also like a really good actor too, Yeah, I

586
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: really like that actor such a good job with this.

587
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: Um but yeah, like some of the things that Mr

588
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: Hart does, like right off the bat that clue us

589
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: into him being a sexist pig, But are Jamie's You're

590
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: saying familiar enough that like these things have all been

591
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: said to us and all women. He tells Judy right

592
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: when he first meets her that she's pretty in and

593
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: he comments on other women's looks in the office, saying

594
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: how he doesn't find many of them to be attractive.

595
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: And then he goes right Violet and she just gives

596
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: him the stinky um. But you feel like it's like

597
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: subtly implied, Like it's not or not even subtly, but

598
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: it's implied that he's part of the reason he's not

599
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: promoting her is because he has no sexual interest in

600
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: her and like that, But it is also like really

601
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: okay with taking credit for all of her ideas of

602
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: her ideas. Yeah, that's one of the first things we

603
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: see him do too, with the color coding. Yeah, he's like,

604
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: oh no, I'll have to like read more about this.

605
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: And then in the next scene he has taken it

606
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: to his boss, his boss, and and his boss is like,

607
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: oh wow, this is great, like good job, and another

608
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: very realistic thing happens where Violet sees this happening right

609
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: in front of her. She's like, he just stole the

610
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: idea and took credit for it, but because she is

611
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: up for a promotion, she can't do anything about it.

612
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: And this is such a familiar situation for women because

613
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: like if we try to speak out or stand up

614
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: for ourselves, we're seen as being difficult and then you know,

615
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: we get fired. Yeah, you can't really the it's really

616
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: hard to advocate for yourself. Yes, it's I mean it

617
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: was really really really well done where yeah, you can

618
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: just like sort of and it's like so well acted

619
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: by Lily Tom went to where you just see her

620
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: like choosing her battles and in her face. Yeah, she

621
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: doesn't have to sit. It's yeah, and that's like a

622
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: thing that yeah, like happens, has happened to all of

623
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: us at some point, happens all the time, and it's like,

624
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, like the movie kind of plays it

625
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: smart and and shows so many subtle things that build

626
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: up that is like every woman who's ever worked in

627
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: an office or it really just existed in the world.

628
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: He also like he's like, oh, I want to buy

629
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: my wife something Violet go shopping and she's like, that's

630
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: not in my job description on not going to shop

631
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: for you, and then he like interrupts her and he's like, oh,

632
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: you need to be a team player, blah blah blah. Yeah,

633
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: I definitely got asked to go pick up a old

634
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: boss is like tailored pants from Nordstrom in the middle

635
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: of the day once and it's it's like, where is

636
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: that in my Like no, low key? Two weeks ago?

637
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: Male director sent me out to get him coffee. I'm like,

638
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm your head writer, Like what do you talk like

639
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: Like it's just like it's fucking infuriating. It's like, where

640
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: in my job description did you see lackey? Like it's

641
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: so weird? Yeah, no, it's uh And it's literally two

642
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: weeks great, great, So yeah, we progress just a fortnight

643
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: ago right here in Los Angeles, Californy. Ever heard of it?

644
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: Also so violent. Towards the beginning of the movie, she

645
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: talks about how rapidly heart Like rose up the ranks,

646
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: climbed the corporate ladder, and she's like, I remember when

647
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: he was a management trainee. In fact, I'm the one

648
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: who trained him. Meanwhile, she's been there for twelve years.

649
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: She does have seem to have some like she's the

650
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: senior supervisor person, but it seems like she's so qualified

651
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: and so capable and could exactly but because she's a woman.

652
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: And this gets pretty explicitly stated by Heart in that

653
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: conversation when he tells her that she didn't get the promotion,

654
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: and there's the whole thing about like, well, you know,

655
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: he's a man and he's got a family to support,

656
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: and she's like, I have four kids. But you know,

657
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: there's you know, the societal expectation of like men needing

658
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: to be the provider so they're more worthy of more money,

659
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: and it's so frustrating and doing the same job as

660
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: somehow harder for them than it is for a woman.

661
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: That was I like literally couldn't stop thinking about my aunt.

662
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: So I was like getting so mad because you just

663
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: see those little things that like your trainee being promoted

664
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: above above you, and like you're not allowed to say

665
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: anything about it, or just these fucking losers just hurtling

666
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: over you they can and no, like even when men

667
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: recognize in the office that it's wrong, they don't, they don't,

668
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: they don't let it happen. But the one get put

669
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: on projects, don't don't even they want to get their name,

670
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: they want to hurtle over you do. Like it's just

671
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: even though once that like you think are on your

672
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: side and then you're like, oh wait, you're slowly doing

673
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: the things that you're like every other man does or yeah, yeah,

674
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean like all those workplace situations where you're like,

675
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: well that man, it wasn't explicitly horrible to me, so

676
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: I guess he's good. But it's like, but he would

677
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: sit through me getting harassed or like being treated like

678
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: ship and I guess because he didn't do it himself.

679
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm not mad, Like it's just oh, listeners, you couldn't

680
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: see it, but all three of us just I rolled

681
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: in unison um. Something I really liked with Lily Tomlin's

682
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: character is you see we'll talk about her relationship with

683
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: her son as well, but like you see her it's

684
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: like that second shift mentality, which I feel like comes

685
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: up in a lot of like second way of feminism

686
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: stuff because it was so focused on women in the workplace.

687
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: But you see there's like a great shot of her

688
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: talking on the phone checking in on things at home

689
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: while also doing five things at work at once, and

690
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: it's just like she's doing it all deftly and capably,

691
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: and you're like, she shouldn't have to do this. Yeah,

692
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: none of the men in this office are calling to

693
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: make sure that their kids are getting places on time

694
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. They can't do anything. They're like,

695
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: go get me a cup of coffee, Go get me

696
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: like gifts for my well, they like they delegate tasks

697
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: that no one should be doing at work to like

698
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: these capable women who should be spending time doing something else.

699
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: But he's like, go shopping for me, because women be shopping, right.

700
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: It's it's very shopping. And the Violet, I don't know violets,

701
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: like they're all three of them are amazing characters. I

702
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: was also like pleasantly surprised by I don't know, Like

703
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: the three main characters are all very they have very

704
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 1: distinct personalities, have very different approaches to the same I mean,

705
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: which you can tell in the minutes long Fantasy Secrets.

706
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: They have different approaches to how they would kill this man.

707
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: But I like, um, I liked that amazing scene where

708
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: you get a Lily Tomlin monologue and then a Dolly

709
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: Parton MODELO. Back to back where uh, Lily Tomlin is, um,

710
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: hold on, I think I've got don't call me your girl, right,

711
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm your girl, I'm a woman. Do you hear me?

712
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: I'm not your wife, thank god, or your mother or

713
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: and but then she turns to do rely and or

714
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 1: your mistress right, So we all know that that is inaccurate,

715
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: petty wrong. But you see this moment where like Viole

716
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: clearly FUCKX up and gets it wrong, and then Dorley

717
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: comes to her own defense, and it's like, wait, is

718
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: that what people think is going on? And immediately Violet

719
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: believes her. It's not a question of like women are

720
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: not believing women in this movie. So I kind of

721
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: liked that there was an example of female character fucking

722
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: up and then course correcting immediately and like siding with

723
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: her female coworker and then they all banned together, and yeah,

724
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: that was I mean. And then it's so fucking great. Yeah,

725
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: like that's scene is incredible. So like, first of all,

726
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm going home, Second of all, we're going to go

727
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: get a drink. Third of all, then we're gonna get

728
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: high in Plinn how to kill our boss. And then

729
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: Lily Tallan also uses that phrase pink collar ghetto at

730
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: the bar, which I thought was like again, just like

731
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: one of those things where I'm like, oh my god,

732
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: that phrase still comes up all the time. So like

733
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: the pink collar, I don't know if she was using

734
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: it in the exact same context, but like pink collar

735
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: jobs has been like a lot of I don't know,

736
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: I went through a phase where I was reading a

737
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: lot about it. Basically jobs that are given majority to

738
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: women and the benefits and pay are not fair. And

739
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: so like the most recent example where like pink collar

740
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: will pop up a lot is social media jobs, where

741
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: the majority of people in those positions are women. They're

742
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: not paid enough, they're not given enough benefits. Sometimes it's

743
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: just a contract job even when it shouldn't be. And

744
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: that's like another example of just like I mean, for

745
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: a long time, like teaching was a pink collar job

746
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: where like no one was getting paid enough. And even

747
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: now it's like my mom has to buy her own

748
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: school supplies for her own classroom, which is ridiculous whenever

749
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: you see a teacher doing a fundraiser, fucking give all

750
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: of your money to it. Um. But yeah, I thought

751
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: that that was cool, that like that phrase that is

752
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: like still a buzzy phrase right now is like comes

753
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: up too. I don't know. This movie is great. This

754
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: movie definitely has such relevance in today's time with everything

755
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: going on, and I wish it didn't. You know. It's

756
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: like this movie came and it's like almost that. Really,

757
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, we haven't really solved literally one of

758
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: these problems. Everything stays the same. Yeah, yeah, it's man, Wow,

759
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: there you go again. You owe us three more dollars?

760
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: What's worth it? Put it in the swear every but yeah, Jamie,

761
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: you were starting to talk about that, like the monologue

762
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: that Doraley gives where she is like yelling at heart

763
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: and like saying, I've like you've sexually harassed me for

764
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: the last time. I'm going to shoot your dick off

765
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: if you do it again. Like I wish I had

766
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: the actual text in front phenomenal writing. Are you guys ready?

767
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm ready? Please, Okay, get your scummy hands off me. Look,

768
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: I've been straight with you since the first day I

769
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: got here, and I've put up Actually, I feel like

770
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: I should raise my voice an octave and do an accent, right,

771
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: it would be so it would be mean to Dolly parton.

772
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ta where nobody can emulate Dolly No,

773
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna try it. But and I've put

774
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: up with all your groping and oggling and hollow apologies

775
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: and chasing me around the desk because I need this job.

776
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: But this is the last straw. Look. I've got a

777
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: gun out there in my friends, and up to now

778
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: I've been forgiving and forgetting because of the way I

779
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: was brought up. But I'll tell you one thing. If

780
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: you ever say another word about me or make another

781
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: indecent proposal, I'm going to get that gun of mine

782
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: and I'm going to change you from a bishop to

783
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: a rabbi with one shot. And then you're just like,

784
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's great. And then we stand in

785
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: each here and we feel that's the other thing. Oh yeah,

786
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. I um, I didn't appreciate about

787
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: this movie. I think I'm like the first Watch. But

788
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: there are subtle ways, or maybe even not so subtle,

789
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: but ways that each character is set up that they

790
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: need the job that they have. Where Judy has just

791
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: gotten divorced and she was a homemaker, so she needs

792
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: to enter the workforce now to support herself, and another

793
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: like detailed was layered into that where he left her

794
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: for his secretary, which is part of why like Judy

795
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: is so dismissive of um Doriley whenever she's trying to

796
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: reach out and be friendly because she still thinks about

797
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: this affair that's happening and I want to touch more

798
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: in that just a moment triggered perhaps UM. So she

799
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: needs to support herself, so she's entering the workforce. Lily

800
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: Thomas character is a single mother of four, so she

801
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: needs to support her family and herself. Um. And then

802
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: Doriley says, you know, I need this job. So they're

803
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 1: all putting up with this horrible is just a home

804
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: playing good time. He's like as a musician, it seems

805
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: so you know he's an artist, you know, probably not

806
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: making much money. Their their relationship and you get like

807
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: one scene where you see them together there and unfortunately

808
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: the dialogue does not age very well because he's like,

809
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: smile for me more. But the message of what he says,

810
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: I like, what I was impressed by from that scene,

811
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 1: which was not smile for me, but is that he

812
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: listened to her and he believed that she was being

813
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: harassed and he wasn't like, you're making this up, which

814
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: I think again is like another easy thing that unfortunately

815
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: happens all the time. So it's nice to be like, Okay,

816
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: so he is saying smile for me, But it seems

817
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: like she was like happy in her marriage and like

818
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: had a support system that you're just like, well, that's lovely.

819
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: I like to think that when she becomes a country

820
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: western star, he's like her her backup time. He's in

821
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: her band and her band A star is born in

822
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: but not because a man helps her be starts because

823
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 1: she became a star on her own and lives laughing.

824
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: Because we saw this in Be Together and you Jamie

825
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: and Anna we're both crying and caitl and The're boasting

826
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: there like oh my fuck is this Hey you cursed?

827
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: I know I did. I'll put three dollars in the

828
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: sword Jock. I'll cry again. Yeah. So one of the

829
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: things that happens quick that was Bradley Cooper's actual dog. Okay,

830
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: so that's like the bassest vocal fry. It's just all

831
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: vocal fry. People complain about women's vocal fry. Have you

832
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: seen Bradley Cooper in A Star is born, they're like

833
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: Oscar nominated. Al right, sure, anyhoo. So one of the

834
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: things that happens in this movie that sucks to see

835
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: play out, but then it gets course corrected, like you said, Jamie,

836
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: but the women in the office don't doray because they

837
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: think she's having an affair with the boss. But what's

838
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: really happening is that she's being sexually harassed by her

839
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: boss and uh, he's spreading rumors that they're sleeping together.

840
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: So as soon as there's light shed on that, that's

841
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: when Judy and Violet are like, oh, that's all be friends.

842
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: You know, Sorry, we made assumptions about you, so we

843
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: could be like, oh, man, it's like women hating women

844
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: for like these petty reasons. But it's also like right,

845
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: like it's men pitting women against each other and then

846
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: figuring it out right. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that that

847
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: was like a cool example of like commenting on that too,

848
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: because especially in nineteen eighty where it might not I

849
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: mean even now, like it doesn't always occur. I don't know,

850
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: like now now I feel like it's almost like an instinct.

851
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 1: But in every case, like when I was definitely younger

852
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: and working in offices, and like male superiors quote unquote

853
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: will try to pit women in the office against each other.

854
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: I didn't always realize that that was what was happening.

855
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: And so having like a movie point that out directly

856
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: and then have them figure it out, get mad and retaliate,

857
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is like almost a blueprint for

858
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: like what And like you said earlier, it was really

859
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: cool that like Lily Thomas character instantly believed Dolly Parton's character. Yeah,

860
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this man is lying on

861
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: your name, Well fuck him all you three dollars. And

862
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: also let's last at him. And it also makes total

863
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: like sense unfortunately that Dory hadn't tried to discuss it

864
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: with any of the women in the office before because

865
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: she's like, well, you know, it'll just make my reputation worse.

866
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: It'll look like I'm coming, you know. And she kind

867
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: of has that conversation with her husband Dwane of like,

868
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't know really what's going on, but everyone hates

869
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: me and I can't talk to anyone about it, Like

870
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: she there's no place I mean, you know, you can't

871
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: imagine that HR at this company or most companies would

872
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: be very helpful to her, and so it just yeah,

873
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: it felt like in a in a very like heightened movie.

874
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 1: Felt it was like a very realistic situation. And then

875
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: so much of that I like what I feel like

876
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: we talked about a lot of the same themes in

877
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: The First Wives Club where, which is clearly you know,

878
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: like taking a page from nine to five of like,

879
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: so much of this movie that's so much fun is

880
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: just the catharsis of like, you know, women in the

881
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: workplace still have it so rough. And again it's like

882
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: we are seeing upper middle class white women, um, and

883
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: they have it rough and soon so all the untold

884
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 1: stories of people from lower income backgrounds, of different racist sexualities, etcetera.

885
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: But but then you get to see them take this

886
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: like spectacular revenge that no one in real life really

887
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: can and it feels amazing. It is empowering. Someone's dick off.

888
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: I want to turn a return into a hen. Yeah, sorry,

889
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: I just tried to do an accent. I really apologize

890
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: for that. Everyone was tragically bad, but yeah, I mean,

891
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: just to piggyback off that conversation a little bit. This

892
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: is a very like white feminism movie. The characters that

893
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: are featuring this, like the the empowered women are all

894
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: middle class white women conventionally attractive. Uh, you know that

895
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: whole thing. Yeah, there are a few people of color

896
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: in the office, but they almost never get to talk.

897
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: Uh they talk about the white woman's predicament. Right, Yeah,

898
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: they're not really allowed to contribute anything to the story. Um.

899
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: We do see a black guy very early on who

900
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: works in the mail room, and he comments on how

901
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: he's never able to get promoted out of the mail

902
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: room because they keep bringing in outside people that may

903
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: have been deliberate commentary on like you know, white people

904
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: tend to get favor for promotions or jobs over people color. Um.

905
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: But it's so it's like just that one thing and

906
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't get any further floor than that's the only

907
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 1: time you even see him, right, sucks. It's and that

908
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: that actor, his name is Ray Vit and two years

909
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: after this movie came out, he was murdered by the

910
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: l A. P. D. Oh my god. Yeah. And then

911
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: we have there's a black woman in the office named Betty.

912
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: She gets a scene with Lily Tomlin, but they're only

913
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: talking about Lily Tomlin and Betty is kind of just

914
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: reassuring her. And this is the scene where Violet is

915
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: accidentally putting rap poise in the coffee. Right. Um, so yeah,

916
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: it's like they're all very much there as supporting characters

917
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: and kind of background. There's another character I think her

918
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: name is Maria Delgado who gets fought. She's the one

919
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: who gets fired for disgusting her salary, but I believe

920
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: she gets re hired then whenever Heart leaves and then

921
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: they're like come back and like work part time if

922
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: you want too. Yeah. Other than that, there is really

923
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: no mind paid to people of color in this film,

924
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 1: and it's all about, you know, the attractive white women

925
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: in their struggles. Yeah. So, while this is like a

926
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: feminist text, it is not intersectional, but it does, you know,

927
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: pave the way for more intersectional feminist texts to be

928
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: made later on, and we are still waiting for are

929
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: they someone please fund them? And with that, let's take

930
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: a quick break and we will be right back and

931
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: we're back. Sophie touched on this earlier, but I do

932
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: think it bears repeating how remarkable it is that there

933
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: is not any romantic subplots in this movie that at

934
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: least that take up any minus thing at the end. Okay, yeah,

935
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,239
Speaker 1: so so let's talk about Well, I think I want

936
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: to backtrack a little bit and talk about Duty's relationship

937
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: with her ex husband Dick, because he track suit track

938
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: suit Dick brown track track suit. I know it was

939
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: like what a choice the worst color is? Yeah. Anyway,

940
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: he keeps showing up places, stalking her. He's stalking her.

941
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I've been chasing the joint because they're

942
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: all staying at Heart's house like to like monitor him.

943
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: He's so creepy. And then dude, Dick is like, why

944
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: I think I might want to get back together, like

945
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: let's hang out, And she's like, no, you can't be here,

946
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: like I'm house sitting, like please leave, and he's like,

947
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: but I've been chasing the joint. You're here alone, right? Yeah?

948
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: Crazy how casually he delivers us like he's say, yeah,

949
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: of course I've been spying on you. Shut up. You're like, sir,

950
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: You're like, excuse me, sir, that's a crime. That yeah,

951
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: And like that doesn't get challenged at all. But I mean,

952
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if if like Judy was like, well

953
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: we used to be married, so you know, he hurt.

954
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: I think it just shows like and like for a

955
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: second that you think she's going to like she was like, yeah,

956
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: let's have lunch, and you think that that that I

957
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: was really worried that they would like get back together something.

958
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: I think they're just trying to show how inexperienced she

959
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: is and like naive just yeah, Like, but what I

960
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: like about it is that like very quickly after she

961
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: shows that she finds her strength again. Yes, and then

962
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: at the end she yeah, she you know, cusses him out,

963
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: screams him out, She's like, I'd never get back with

964
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: you in a million years. And it's like and she's

965
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's very over the top, but it's a

966
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: good like, it's a good moment for that character, and

967
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: especially where that's I feel like that doesn't First Wives

968
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: Club kind of funk that up too, Yeah, because the

969
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: Midler character gets back with her her husband, right, So

970
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: so this what I mean, like if that had to

971
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: be there, which is I didn't have to uh, and

972
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: then there were other ways to characterize her, right, But

973
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: at least it's like well played with the way it concludes, right, Yeah,

974
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: he's basically introduced as an obstacle for her to like

975
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: be like go away. You're like ruining this. You know,

976
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: we've kidnapped our boss and you're messing this up, messing

977
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: up our operation track suit, right, And then the way

978
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: the story concludes, the whole movie concludes, is they've gotten

979
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: rid of Heart. The three of them are like, who

980
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: we run this company now? Uh? And then there are

981
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: like title cards of what happened to everyone. First we

982
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: see Violet, she gets promoted to like vice president. She

983
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: essentially gets Heart's job. Now yeah, because she's like so

984
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: good at keeping her cool under pressure. All you have

985
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: to do is poison someone and you finally get that

986
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: promotion I've been waiting for. Yeah, just a hot tip,

987
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. Then we see um, Judy's title card

988
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: and it says that she falls in love with and

989
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: gets married to the Xerox representative, which is like a

990
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: callback to like the whole Xerox mishap thing, which it's like, oh,

991
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: but now she loves Xerox so much that she's fucking

992
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: the Xerox man. Not my favorite job, don't like it

993
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: didn't need to be there. Um. And then we get

994
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, Dolly becomes she quits the company and becomes

995
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: a country and Western singer, and we're like and then

996
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: the other there's another problematic one where Heart's title card

997
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: is he was abducted by a tribe of Amazonians in Brazil,

998
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: which you know perpetuates the negative stereotype that indigenous people

999
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: are savage images. Yeah, so that's not good, but at all.

1000
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: I do like though that there's no romantic subplot um

1001
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: because there's kind of no room for it and no

1002
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: need for it in this story. Right it's a it's

1003
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: a fucking revenge fantasy. And I feel like, again, that's like,

1004
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: would that have been possible if there weren't mostly women

1005
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: and queer people in the room? I would guess not probably,

1006
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: I would gets in that there is one passage I

1007
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up. So right after they have kidnapped

1008
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: him and they're realizing that they can't just like keep him,

1009
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: then when they decide they wanted what they want to do,

1010
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: because Violet, what could we used to keep Heart quiet?

1011
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: Judy blackmail? Violet blackmail? Oh that's great, but what could

1012
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: we get him on? Judy a sex candle, take a

1013
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: picture of him with a prostitute? Totally? No, who would care? Violet,

1014
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: She's right. Heart would simply buy up all the copies

1015
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: and distribute them as Christmas cards. Yes, so this is

1016
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: shaming of sex work start work not cool? Uh taste

1017
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: lady joke. Yes, like let's hire a prostitute and exploit

1018
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 1: her in order to get it's like, yeah, not's not

1019
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: that's you know, very nineteen eighties of its very like

1020
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 1: white feminism, privileged bullshit. We don't love it. We don't

1021
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: love it. I wanted to share some quick quotes about

1022
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: just again just like going back into the writing process

1023
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: for this, because it's very interesting to me. Where Jane Fonda.

1024
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: I mean, she has like a pretty storied history of

1025
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: fighting for workers rights. She's from a very privileged background.

1026
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: Um and so a lot of times when she would

1027
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: try to make these stories about not extremely rich people,

1028
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: she would have to do research on them, which I mean,

1029
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: what a what a trial. But but she's talked a

1030
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: lot about the process of like figuring out how to

1031
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: play these characters, and she like spoke to a lot

1032
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: of women who worked as secretaries. Uh. And she had

1033
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: the following to say, um, and she said she also

1034
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: specifically focused on women who had begun working later in

1035
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: life due to either being divorced or being widowed, which

1036
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: I think was a lot more common in the eighties

1037
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: than it is now. But she said, quote, what I

1038
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: found was that secretaries know the work they do is important,

1039
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: is skilled, but they also know they're not treated with respect.

1040
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: They called themselves office wives. They have to put gas

1041
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: in the boss's car, get his coffee by the present

1042
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: for his wife and mistress. So when we came to

1043
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: do the film, we said to Colin Higgins, the director, Okay,

1044
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: what you have to do is write a screenplay which

1045
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: shows you can run an office without a boss, but

1046
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: you can't run an office without the secretaries on quote.

1047
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: And that's I think this is my favorite part of

1048
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: the movie. When they've kidnapped Heart, tied them up in

1049
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: like s and m gear in his house using also

1050
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: like the garage garage door opener that we see Lily

1051
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: Tomlin installed earlier in the middle fixed it on her own. Yes, yes,

1052
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: while being while having a serious conversation with her son

1053
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: about pot, about pot and about how she gets mistreated

1054
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: at work. And yeah, She's like, uh, I'm a mother

1055
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: of four and I just installed my garage door opener

1056
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: and he's still calling me his girl. We're like, so

1057
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: they've kidnapped the boss. They've tied him up. He's you know,

1058
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: wearing a collar stuff like that. Um, And they realized

1059
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: that no one ever actually wants to see the boss

1060
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: face to face at work, so like except for ros

1061
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: who is a traitor. Um. But they're like having a

1062
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: pretty easy time of like him not being there. So

1063
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: they use this opportunity to implement all these changes radical

1064
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and I almost wanted to see a little

1065
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: bit more of it, Like you get paid maternity leave

1066
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: and like you know, keep going and keep insurance for everybody,

1067
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: free care, split, split work time, flexible hours. It's like

1068
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: that wasn't the stat that they increase productivity by six weeks.

1069
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: It's like what, Yeah, it's it's very impressive, so awesome

1070
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: to see that. You can tell, like the morale around

1071
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: the office is much higher. What kind of stinks about

1072
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: this is that they do all this stuff and then

1073
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: the chairman of the board comes in thinks that heart

1074
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: was responsible for all these changes. No one corrects him,

1075
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: because if they did, they'd have to be like, yeah,

1076
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: we did it because we had kidnapped our boss. Um.

1077
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: But he still gets like the credit and the promotion

1078
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: for these positive changes in this increase of efficiency, the

1079
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: women right by Colonel standards and the women don't get

1080
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: any recognition. Is it realistic? Yeah, but you know it

1081
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: just kind of sucks to that that's like sort of

1082
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: how that's how the movie ends, where they don't get

1083
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: any recognition. Still, that was a bit of a bummer.

1084
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: But it's also like I said, hyper reo, um, Jamie,

1085
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: did you want to get into the song at all? Oh? Well,

1086
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention. I mean just that even

1087
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: like the song nine to five has some very subversive

1088
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: and cool lyrics that sometimes you miss because you're like,

1089
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: it's such a slapper. But she, I mean, she clearly

1090
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: is like writing about what actually happens in the movie

1091
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: that she references. They just use your mind and they

1092
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: never give you credit referencing when Lily Tommin's idea has taken.

1093
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: You would think that I would deserve a fat promotion,

1094
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: want to move ahead, but the boss wants seem to

1095
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: let me. It's just really good. Yeah, that's all I

1096
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: wanted to say. Is just like putting out specific lines

1097
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: that reference the movie and that are just like there's

1098
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: not a lot of working women's empower. This is still

1099
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: like the working women's empowerment anthembs, it's my ring down,

1100
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: she's she's Sophie. Is it your ringtone? It's my He

1101
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: was just really really like, it's my It's really fun

1102
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: to hear it go off in front of people, see

1103
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: their faces, especially ment um and then, uh, quick note

1104
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: on the reception of this movie. It is now regarded

1105
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: as a classic. It has been uh and and for

1106
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 1: the most part, it got like generally positive reviews when

1107
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: it came out. However, because in nineteen even more so

1108
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: than now, the movie criticism community was really only old

1109
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: white guys. Um. Even people who reviewed the movie well

1110
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: would still diss it for the parts that they just

1111
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: didn't understand themselves. Um, so of course you got your

1112
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: boy Roderi Ebert. Well, he did give the film three

1113
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: out of four stars, which is a lot for him. Uh.

1114
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't usually like to see women, and so this

1115
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:58,439
Speaker 1: is a thrill for us. But the way he talks

1116
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: about it is very condescending. He says, quote it was

1117
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: pleasant entertainment, and I liked it despite its uneven qualities

1118
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: and a plot that's almost too preposterous. You're like, uh,

1119
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: Jeane Cisco had like similar stuff. Variety said, quote although

1120
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: it can probably be argued that Patricia Resnick and Colin

1121
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: Higgins script borders on the inane, the bottom line is

1122
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: it's fun, where like basically you don't get a lot

1123
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 1: of critical praise for the story. You mostly just get like, wow,

1124
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: Dolly Parton's a movie star, which is true, which is

1125
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: still most of the articles about this movie is like wow,

1126
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: this was a star is born. But even now there

1127
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: there was like some fucking editorial like flame war, like

1128
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: in because um oh I think I saw this, yeah

1129
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 1: where where uh ninety five was like being screened by

1130
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 1: the bf I British Film Institute and is just like

1131
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: called in the description like a feminist classic. And then

1132
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,959
Speaker 1: someone at The Guardian wrote this long editorial man obviously

1133
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 1: being like is it really a feminist text? And then

1134
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: its turd and like that was two years ago. You know,

1135
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: it's just like yeah, you did. We've moved on from

1136
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: nine to five mentality, but it is a feminist text,

1137
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: you don't know. I mean this movie was you know,

1138
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: made into a TV series, made into a musical version

1139
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: of the film, and you know it's like it's influential,

1140
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: and like the Guardian guy who was who is the

1141
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: author of that, I don't know, I don't care. Yeah,

1142
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: the fact that this movie was such a commercial success

1143
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: just goes to show like how starved people are for

1144
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: representation for like female leed comedy movies or female led

1145
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: projects in general. Like another thing I always appreciate is

1146
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,759
Speaker 1: a funny movie starring women. I love to see women

1147
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: be funny. Lily Tomlin especially is like cracking jokes. She's

1148
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I tore right through your memo and

1149
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: it's a double entendreus larious. I know I know where

1150
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: to stick it. Love that line. And then she's like,

1151
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: I'm a doctor, why am I talking to you? Piss off?

1152
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: And it does pass it back to test, but she's

1153
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: screaming at a woman to piss off, just you know.

1154
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: But it's man, it's it's so funny. She's so funny.

1155
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 1: It's great. And Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin are both

1156
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: over forty when they're filming this movie. You don't get

1157
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: to see women in their forties really very much at

1158
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 1: all in cinema. And again, similar to UM, I mean,

1159
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: I think like a lot of the strengths and weaknesses

1160
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: of nine to five are kind of identical to the

1161
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: ones in First Wives Club where you're like, well, women

1162
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: over forty do want to see themselves reflected and move

1163
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: these and uh and it's not just white women too.

1164
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: But um, you know again, where's the fucking movie? Um?

1165
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: But this movie, you know it moved the dial, It

1166
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: kept thinking like it. Yeah, it opened up a conversation

1167
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: about sexism. And I just I love how like it's

1168
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: about like women coming together who like share a common

1169
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: motivation and a common interest in taking down this shitty

1170
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: sexist boss that they have and like uniting for this

1171
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: like progressive cause and like getting shit done. It just

1172
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: makes it. Yeah, there's there's there's an article in stud

1173
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,600
Speaker 1: of Living that's like eleven things Dolly Parton taught us

1174
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: in nine to five, And I think they're all really

1175
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: kind of cool. It's like trust other women, confront your

1176
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: problems at on, Always stand up for yourself. Sometimes you

1177
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: just need to drink with your friends. Turnabout is fair

1178
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: play at least in es. Uh, stand by your friends.

1179
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: Always have your friends back. Sometimes you need to call

1180
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: your friends on their mistakes. Commit to your plans with

1181
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: your friends out of friendship stuff. Be honest with your friends,

1182
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: follow your dreams like these are these are all. It's like, yeah,

1183
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you just don't see stuff like that in movies,

1184
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: especially in Night and even sadly today, who well, do

1185
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: you guys have anything else? I think those those all

1186
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: the main points that I had. I think I just

1187
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: I really and this is coming from someone who has

1188
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: a panic attack every time they smoke weed. But I

1189
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: just like Lily Tomlin like talking to her like teenage son,

1190
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 1: being like, yeah, I don't really care if you smoke weed,

1191
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: slipping in my purse. Like I feel like a lot

1192
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: of like mother characters from that era would have been like,

1193
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: marijuana is the devil, and She's just like, fuck it,

1194
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna smoke one joint. Mall yeah, and she like

1195
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: they just have so much fun together. I love that

1196
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: scene where they're just like laughing, especially if you like

1197
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: Are Gray and Frankie Head, You're like, damn, Lily Tomas

1198
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 1: is weed. Mom, Mom, Mom, It's a good time movie.

1199
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: It's a m If you haven't seen it, you gotta

1200
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: see it. Does it pass the Bechdel tests lots? They

1201
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: do talk about heart a lot, but there are many,

1202
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: many conversations between many combinations of characters, and only because

1203
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: you have. I don't even know that they're ever actually

1204
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: trying to kill him, Like they don't want to be murderers,

1205
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:42,879
Speaker 1: they just want to They just want them to get Honestly,

1206
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: there was a there was talks of a sequel to

1207
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: this movie, which I would prefer to a reboot, and

1208
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: I've really absolutely had it with the reboots. A sequel

1209
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: with the original cast would be amazing. That ended up

1210
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: getting scrapped, but I'm like, oh, they should do it,

1211
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: and then this time they should be trying to kill him. Yeah,

1212
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: like the next level. Yeah, let's go full horror camp

1213
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: and just do it. I read this piece that was

1214
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: like the reason why they aren't doing the reboot is

1215
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: because the content would be too similar because things haven't changed,

1216
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, so depressing. I've

1217
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 1: had like male bosses, like pretty much word from word,

1218
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:27,799
Speaker 1: the same things that Mr Hart says to like Judy

1219
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: or Violet or shout out to my old old boss

1220
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: for making me cry over paper towels. Fuck you talk

1221
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: to my boss from two weeks ago. Should appress them,

1222
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: Sweeten law La, I would never give me five dollars,

1223
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: so I'll never hear this. Let's write the movie on

1224
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: our nipple scale, I've kind of been waiting for this day.

1225
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Okay, I would give this a four

1226
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 1: point to five. I've I'm gonna take off three quarters

1227
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: of a nipple because it is a movie that largely

1228
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 1: ignores people of color in general, and there's you know,

1229
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: just a couple of those like regressive jokes about sex

1230
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: work and just tribe of people and the Amazon, you know,

1231
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Um, but it just feels so ahead

1232
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: of its time, and it holds up for the most

1233
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: part pretty well. You know. It's it's a raw, it's

1234
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 1: a fun movie. It's it's i'd love to see women

1235
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 1: triumphing over there, like sexist oppressors. Just a few of

1236
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: the era things that it gets a little wrong, could

1237
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: be more inclusive, could be more intersectional. But um, for

1238
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four five, it's pretty good. Yeah. So, and

1239
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: I'll give one to each of the gals Lily, Jane

1240
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: and Dolly. I'll give one nipple to the woman who's

1241
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: struggling with alcoholism, who gets from rehabilitation drunk femnicyclon Margaret. Yes,

1242
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: and I will give my quarter nipple to scam Goddess

1243
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: hearts one. I like Missy, I'm a missy stand I

1244
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: hope she divorced him. Uh yeah, I'll go four point

1245
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: two five as well. I mean kind of for for

1246
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: all the same reasons where it's like for this is

1247
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 1: like radical but also mainstream, which is like such a

1248
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: cool space to occupy in like movie history, it is

1249
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: too white. It only acknowledges middle class people, and there

1250
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: is space in that movie for that to not be

1251
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 1: the case, which we see because there's like little moments

1252
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: and little like tastes of like, oh, let's explore that.

1253
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: What is going on with the guy in the mail room,

1254
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,839
Speaker 1: what's going on with the women of color near office?

1255
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: And they're there, but they're not allowed to take up

1256
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: space in the narrative, which is very of its time

1257
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 1: and unfortunately still of our time a lot of the time,

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Speaker 1: and so like there was space for that. I wish

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Speaker 1: the more space had been, you know, cut a minute

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Speaker 1: out of each revenge fantasy and let Betty have a storyline. Um,

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Speaker 1: but for fourth of the time weaknesses, it's still it's

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01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: still is like everything that they're talking about is still

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01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: relevant and unfortunately, like not a lot of progress has

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Speaker 1: been made, Uh, so that's unfortunate. I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: it four point to five nimbles. Uh, give all three

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Speaker 1: of the gals one. Oh, I think Alfred Molina, who

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have played well anyone, but I think in this

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Speaker 1: one he was like, you know what I am, I'm

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Speaker 1: just a fan. I'm Sanders. He could he could. He

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Speaker 1: might have been too young to be Colonel Sanders, and

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Speaker 1: I mean he's a chameleon. He would have been like

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Speaker 1: thirty when this maybe no, not even he'd like, he's

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01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: very young. He could have been Dwayne. He like a

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Speaker 1: less problematic Dwyane, which one. Okay, let's go with that

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Speaker 1: because I would love to see him kiss Dolly pardon. Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: They were corny for each other to the Yeah, yeah

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Speaker 1: they were. They were inactive. Yeah. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they're about to go for them. Go there, married, they

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01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: still do that, go for them. But yeah, Alfred Milena

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Speaker 1: should have been Dwayne. So I'll give you know, my

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01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: fourth nipple to Alfred Molina and the last quarter or no,

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Speaker 1: I'll give my fourth nipple to Betty and then give

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01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: the quarter to Alfred Milena. Sophie, Wow, it's your time

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Speaker 1: to shine, Okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna go with uh

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Speaker 1: four four point to five out of unison um, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give one to Lily, one to Dolly, one

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Speaker 1: to Jane, and then I'm going to give one to uh. Wait.

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Speaker 1: I want to know the actress is name who played

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Speaker 1: Margaret because she made me extremely happy. Elizabeth Wilson. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that's Rose Ross is getting the quarter nip. Spoiler um,

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Speaker 1: the actress who played Margaret, Peggy Pope shot at Peggy Pope,

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Speaker 1: you get a whole nip. And then Elizabeth Wilson, who

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Speaker 1: played Rose for you know, wanting to learn another language

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Speaker 1: and bettering herself, gets a quarter nip even though she

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01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: was deeply annoying, was just too obsessed with the male boss.

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Speaker 1: But she now knows French, so yeah, I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, she was like, oh you want me to

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Speaker 1: better myself? Bon jour, and you know what quarter nip

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Speaker 1: for you? Ros? Sure? Yeah, we hope she grew with time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well Sophie, who did it? You did it?

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Thanks to be here and thanks for being

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Speaker 1: our producer and everything everything. Thanks for being my friend.

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01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,759
Speaker 1: Where can we follow you? And you're don Anderson online.

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01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: So I only have Instagram, I don't have Twitter for

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Speaker 1: the best yeah, yeah, but it's a Sophie Underscore ray,

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Speaker 1: Underscore of Underscore Sunshine. Yeah. Hi everyone, it's present day

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Speaker 1: Jamie and Caitlin back again with the outro to the episode.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Sophie has since gotten a Twitter account,

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Speaker 1: so you can follow her because at the time of

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Speaker 1: this recording she only had an Instagram and and her Twitter.

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Speaker 1: She has quite a few followers. She's got a big following. Yeah,

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01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: and if you want to add to that, you can

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Speaker 1: follow her on Twitter at why Sophie. Why there's underscores

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Speaker 1: on either side of Sophie So why Underscore Sophie Underscore

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01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:07,560
Speaker 1: or why why being w h y and not the letter? Why? Wow? Listening?

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01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you taking notes? Um? So? Anyway, that

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Speaker 1: was our unlocked Patreon slash Matreon episode on nine to five.

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Speaker 1: If you want to listen to more Matreon episodes, because

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Speaker 1: most of them we keep locked up, okay, yes, So

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Speaker 1: the only way to access those is by going to

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Speaker 1: patreon dot com slash spectol cast and subscribing. It's five

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Speaker 1: dollars a month. You get access to two bonus episodes

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Speaker 1: every single month, plus the entire back catalog, and there

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Speaker 1: are somewhere on like eight nine episodes there currently that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's there's quite a few. So if you've run out

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Speaker 1: of main Feight episodes, that is the place to go.

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Speaker 1: Patreon dot com, slash by cast. Also remember to listen

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Speaker 1: to act cast. The first episode is out now and

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Speaker 1: you can listen to ac cast on Mondays all the

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Speaker 1: way through the summer. It's a summer podcast. Is it

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Speaker 1: spelled A A c K. It's spelled A A c

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Speaker 1: K cast by Jamie Loftus. You can also just search

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Speaker 1: my name and it will come up because it is

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Speaker 1: spelled uh in a confusing way. Might doom the show.

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Speaker 1: We don't know uh. In any case, everyone please check

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Speaker 1: out ac cast please and happy July, happy, you know,

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Speaker 1: enjoy or summer safely. Yes, please, bye bye bye