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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Update the poll results, mcleve, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: bring in the pomputer Chris Sims from Pro Football Talk. Lie,

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Speaker 1: if you were JJ Watt, would you rather sign for

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Speaker 1: fifteen million for a good team, like a playoff team

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Speaker 1: like the Titans, or seven point five million for a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl contender like the Chiefs are bucks? Well, how

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Speaker 1: about you put it in parentheses? Fifteen million Titans, Bills, Packers,

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Speaker 1: seven and a half million Chiefs in the Buccaneers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Packers are on that Bills Titans line. Yeah, yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so far the early results are eighty three percent. Say

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Speaker 1: they take the seven point five million. Okay, Yes, the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are the favorite to win the Super Bowl. Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: are right next to them. Then it drops a tier

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Speaker 1: to Packers, Bills, Rams, Niners. Then it drops another tier

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Speaker 1: to Ravens, Brown Saints, Seahawks, Colts, Pittsburgh Steelers, Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: The Tennessee Titans are twelfth oh in odds to ensures

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Speaker 1: of right now. But JJ has a relationship with Mike

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Speaker 1: Vrabel and would he want to stay in that division

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Speaker 1: in the AFC South. But let's bring in Chris Sims

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk Live. Where where do you stand on

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Speaker 1: that question, Chris, Well, as far as the AFC South's concerned,

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Speaker 1: and good to see you are, good to see it, Dan,

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Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think I'll have an issue

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Speaker 1: with that. I mean, the Titans still have so many

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Speaker 1: things to like about their football team, and of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, defensive line, lack of pass rushers, disruptors, secondary,

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Speaker 1: the defense needs to be improved there. You know, JJ

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Speaker 1: Watt fits into any scheme he can do four three

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Speaker 1: three four. I think that's why you see so many

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Speaker 1: teams interested in him. And yeah, that history between Mike Vrabel,

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Speaker 1: there is certainly something there to it. And really the

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Speaker 1: way Houston has run their organization here the last few years,

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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure JJ wouldn't like going to play

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Speaker 1: Tennessee and sticking it too. I'm here, you know, uh

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Speaker 1: I mean the Texans? Yeah? Sorry, yes, yeah, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if you wouldn't mind sticking it

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Speaker 1: to them and just going, hey, you know here, I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm with a winner, eat that. But I wonder if

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Speaker 1: you know, we always say, well, it's not always about money.

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Speaker 1: It always feels like it's about money. JJ Wats made

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars in his career. How important is

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Speaker 1: winning And if that's the case, why not go to

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Speaker 1: the Why not say to Kansas City chiefs, Hey, whatever

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Speaker 1: you want to pay me, I'm coming there. We're winning

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Speaker 1: a championship. I agreed, you know, I don't think that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Green Bay up there, they could use guys

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Speaker 1: they have, they still have deficiencies as far as their

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Speaker 1: of his career. You you kind of said it, right, Dan,

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Speaker 1: he's got a ton of money. You know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that should be or at least if I was

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Speaker 1: in his situation, wouldn't be the make or break point

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Speaker 1: to me. It'd be, hey, pay me something respectful, you know, respectful,

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Speaker 1: and I'll try to add to your team. You know,

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Speaker 1: JJ Watts still a really good player, but we know

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Speaker 1: he has had a little bit of injury history over

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Speaker 1: the last few years and his production has fallen off.

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Speaker 1: I mean for the sack master he was, you know,

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Speaker 1: or someone there somewhere around there over the last five years,

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Speaker 1: so he's not the same guy he was, But I

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Speaker 1: certainly do think he brings value to a team. I

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Speaker 1: can't imagine a team paying him fifteen sixteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: a year at this point, I'm not sure if I

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Speaker 1: believe those reports yet. I'd have to hear something a

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Speaker 1: little more substantial to believe that. One. When do you

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Speaker 1: buy into a mock draft or mock drafts? Not right yet?

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Speaker 1: I know that, I get what point in the process

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Speaker 1: of what teams are going to do. I would say

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Speaker 1: when you get to those last two or three weeks

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Speaker 1: before the draft, there's just too many unknowns right now.

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Speaker 1: You know one and no disrespect, but there's so many

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Speaker 1: media out lets. There's a lot of people who you know,

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Speaker 1: So I want to be like, Okay, well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: going to balance a salary cap? And all those things too.

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Speaker 1: So that, of course, once they start to figure out

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Speaker 1: pay attention to that mouth draft. Oh there's some logic there.

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Speaker 1: But you get this, this guy's rising, this guy's falling. Well,

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Speaker 1: the coaches, of the gems, of the scouts are able

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Speaker 1: good these players are. Like Mac Jones at Alabama, all

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Speaker 1: unqualified people making qualifying statements at times here and just

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, Mac Jones end of the first round. I've

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Speaker 1: said it every day this week. I said it on

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Speaker 1: my podcast Mac Jones from and I'm early here, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I just started. I really only looked at like good

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones is a better prospect than two of Mac

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Speaker 1: he does is throw spirals, perfect throws, NFL type throws.

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Speaker 1: Does that translate to the NFL football life. He's Chris

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Speaker 1: Sims Pro Football Tunk Live. Mike Florio said yesterday, doesn't

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Speaker 1: think Deshaun Watson gets traded. Ooh, I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 1: I have I'm pretty good info that Deshaun Watson is

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Speaker 1: I've heard that from people I really trusted in league circles,

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Speaker 1: And I think he's heard that. We've heard the same

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Speaker 1: some of these teams that are interested in Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 1: and they've they've you know, led me to believe that

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Speaker 1: I'm more of what you're saying. I would go, what like,

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Speaker 1: let's get Denver and the Carolina Panthers and the Miami Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: maximize what we get for DeShawn Watson, because I again,

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Speaker 1: the organization's dysfunctional down there. There's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: but they're not to Shawn Watson. He has the support

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Speaker 1: So that's where I think you're you know, to your point,

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Speaker 1: First things first, if you were JJ Watt, would you

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Speaker 1: But the Lakers are clickbait. So what is the headline today?

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Speaker 1: half minutes, not a second more. Do you know what?

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Speaker 1: It reminded me of thirty five years ago Jordan when

426
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Speaker 1: he was coming off the foot injury. And I only

427
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Speaker 1: remember it because he was in the last dance. He

428
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Speaker 1: wanted to come back in the game in the last minute. Remember,

429
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Speaker 1: he was arguing with the coach and the doctors came down.

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Speaker 1: They're like, no, eighteen minutes maximum. I'm like, really, this

431
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Speaker 1: is by our science is like, is like our train system,

432
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Speaker 1: and how did you move Cole one hundred years ago

433
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Speaker 1: put it on a train. We haven't improved that, and

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Speaker 1: we're not improving this either. It's like we guess an

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Speaker 1: amount of minutes, and that's what it is. So I

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Speaker 1: don't even people are like, oh, you've got to listen

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Speaker 1: to the science. But I think on the minute stuff,

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Speaker 1: the science is guessing. I think it's just really guesswork.

439
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Speaker 1: And I've never seen evidence otherwise. And in baseball, Dan,

440
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Speaker 1: which I don't talk about a lot, but you do

441
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Speaker 1: it somewhat. It's Jeff Passon wrote a great book that

442
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Speaker 1: since they have been more focused on pitch counts like

443
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Speaker 1: pitch arm injuries have gone up. So some of this

444
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Speaker 1: I just don't think we have mastered yet. And I

445
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Speaker 1: think airing on the side of all play when I'm

446
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Speaker 1: healthy is pretty smart. He's Nick Right, co host of

447
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Speaker 1: First Things First on Fox Sports One. Kyrie Irving had

448
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Speaker 1: something on Instagram where he said, maybe we changed the

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Speaker 1: logo from Jerry West to Kobe Bryant. Could you see

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Speaker 1: the league. I know Jerry West would be fine with

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Speaker 1: that because Jerry's embarrassed to be the logo, and he

452
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Speaker 1: brought Kobe into the league, brought him into the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: Could you see where the league would sign off on

454
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Speaker 1: Kobe replacing Jerry West? Is the logo? So a few things.

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Speaker 1: One is I read and I didn't read a full

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Speaker 1: article about it, but I did read yesterday that one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons it has stayed Jerry West is they

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Speaker 1: don't have to pay any royalties on that logo. And

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Speaker 1: I think if you did it with Kobe, were with

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Speaker 1: anybody Lebron's block on Iguadala, Michael Jordan, anything, all of

461
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Speaker 1: a sudden, you're gonna have to pay a royalty on

462
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Speaker 1: every and that seems untenable. To go from zero dollars

463
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Speaker 1: to even if it's just a small percentage. I just

464
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Speaker 1: don't think that's realistic. I do think, though, if I'm

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Speaker 1: going to touch a third rail here, that Kyrie in

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Speaker 1: his comment on the idea, like his second line, he

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Speaker 1: did raise it to me a valid point, which is

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Speaker 1: the NBA is a black league. It is an overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: black league, and the success of the league has been

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Speaker 1: built for the vast majority by black players, and it

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Speaker 1: does seem a little anachronistic that we've got a white

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Speaker 1: dude from nineteen sixty two is the logo. But I

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Speaker 1: also think, do you I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: don't even know that he's the logo, you know, you

475
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Speaker 1: know what, I know it. I think most fans probably

476
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Speaker 1: don't know that that's an actual person that in that logo. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, having spoke to Jerry West about this,

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Speaker 1: you know can tell where. I don't think they conferred

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Speaker 1: with him. They basically just made him the logo and

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Speaker 1: then he didn't really acknowledge it for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, growing up, I sort of knew it was

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Speaker 1: Jerry because there was a picture that accompanied that logo picture.

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Speaker 1: But Jerry is embarrassed almost to bring that up. And

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I don't know if the NBA

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Speaker 1: can go, hey, we're gonna have Kobe as the logo.

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Speaker 1: What's it going to cost us? Right? But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think Kyrie's onto something, but I don't know if

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Speaker 1: if if he's onto something that will actually come to fruition. Well,

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Speaker 1: I wonder I wonder if renaming some of these awards,

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Speaker 1: So the Larry O'Brien, I don't think that's gonna change.

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Speaker 1: They just named the finals MVP the Bill Russell. You

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Speaker 1: know that that happened a few years ago. I think

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Speaker 1: that's good. Does and I apologize for not knowing this.

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Speaker 1: Does League MVP? Does that trophy have a have an

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Speaker 1: honorific because I think a lot of people feel like

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Speaker 1: Kobe should have won more than one League MVP. He

497
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Speaker 1: only won the one, naming that after him almost as

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Speaker 1: a league. I do feel like there should be something

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Speaker 1: done for Kobe, and I do feel like we should

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Speaker 1: maybe update some of these names to the more modernized MBA.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if the logo is what they're

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Speaker 1: going to do with it. Yeah, I don't see it happening,

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Speaker 1: but I look, I appreciate what Kyrie. That Kyrie has

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Speaker 1: a personality. I don't always agree with it, but that

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Speaker 1: he does. He is a thinker. Sometimes he thinks too much,

506
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Speaker 1: sometimes he doesn't think enough. But you know that he

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Speaker 1: was It's a nice gesture on his part and Kyrie

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Speaker 1: it was. If you remember, after Kobe's passing, Kyrie took

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Speaker 1: some time away and Kyrie was exceptionally close with Kobe,

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Speaker 1: and I think Kyrie, we don't look at it because

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Speaker 1: he's so much smaller, but he's modeled a lot of

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Speaker 1: his game after Kobe, even though the games are different. Yeah,

513
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Speaker 1: I listen just because sometimes the people who have at

514
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Speaker 1: times the worst ideas often are also the people that

515
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Speaker 1: come up with some of the best ideas. And so

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Speaker 1: I feel like this happens in television and radio production

517
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Speaker 1: meetings a lot. The person that is most likely that

518
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Speaker 1: when they throw something out there, you're gonna be like,

519
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: why do we let that guy talk is also a

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00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: guy who about once a week you're like, oh, that's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, Kyrie throws a lot

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Speaker 1: out there. Some of it's a little wacky, but I

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Speaker 1: think he was onto something here without a doubt. I

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Speaker 1: think of his last February PAULI did the research that

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Speaker 1: the All Star MVP is named after Kobe Bryant, right,

526
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Speaker 1: they changed it last year, But that's also that's like

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Speaker 1: a award, you know what I mean? Do something named

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Speaker 1: the scoring title after him? I don't know, do something

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Speaker 1: like Bradley Beale come on down and receive the Kobe

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Speaker 1: Bryant received the Kobe Bryant. Yeah, yeah, I like it.

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Speaker 1: Do you want in on the JJ Watt game that

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Speaker 1: we played. We've played it already where we think he's

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Speaker 1: gonna end up? Do you do you want to? Sure?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you got one pick. I got one pick.

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Speaker 1: Here we go, hold on, here we go. Here's here's

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Speaker 1: the Nick Wright green Bay, Green Bay. Okay, that's my

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Speaker 1: pick going out on a limb there. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's a limb. I just think Green Bay. They

539
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: have good cheese, not good barbecue. Come come to can't

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Speaker 1: see with the barbecue. JJ, stay for the championships. That

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Speaker 1: would be my recommendation. Well, you have lived in Houston,

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Speaker 1: so you you are. Yeah. I lived there for four

543
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Speaker 1: years and ate what they Listen, Houston folks say, it's

544
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: been tough times. I empathize with you immensely. But Texas

545
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: barbecue is fraudulent and not It's not like bad compared

546
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: to its reputation. It's bad compared to food. It's just

547
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Speaker 1: not good. It's the hottest take anyone's going to deliver

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Speaker 1: all year. Texas barbecue not good. Thank you, Nick. We

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00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. As always. That's the popular Nick right,

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Speaker 1: co host of First Things First on Fox Sports. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

552
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Speaker 1: to catch us live every weekday morning nine until noon

553
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and

554
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR

555
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app. I got

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Speaker 1: some numbers here before I get to one of the

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Speaker 1: great deep shooters in NBA history and Tim Legler on

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Speaker 1: loan from the Mother's Ship. In the NBA this season,

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Speaker 1: the overall three point shooting percentage just under thirty seven

560
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Speaker 1: percent thirty one percent of all made field goals or

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Speaker 1: three pointers. In college basketball Division one, the overall three

562
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Speaker 1: point shooting percentage just under thirty four percent. Twenty nine

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Speaker 1: percent of all made field goals are three pointers. And

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Speaker 1: I watch college basketball. It's tough to watch because there's

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Speaker 1: no you know, the player to watch in college basketball.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of talent, but man, this is starting

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Speaker 1: out in like fifth grade, in sixth grade, where everybody

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Speaker 1: thinks they're a deep shooter. Everybody and it's the Steph

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Speaker 1: Curry effect. Steph Curries probably had a bigger impact on

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Speaker 1: the game than any other player in history because you

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Speaker 1: want to be like Mike. Nobody could be like Mike,

572
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Speaker 1: but it feels like everybody can try to be like

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry. And as a result, you've got guys shooting

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Speaker 1: threes who have no business shooting threes. Tim Legler had

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Speaker 1: business shooting threes, and Legs joins us. Now, what advice

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Speaker 1: would you give these shooters now, or maybe the coaches now,

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Speaker 1: these kids who are coming up in grade school in

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Speaker 1: high school that all think that's how you get to

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Speaker 1: the next level by being a three point shooter. Yeah, Dan,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a big challenge because you're right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is what the NBA looks like now. I think

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Speaker 1: for me, and I was a three point shooter how

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Speaker 1: I made my living. It's a little monotonous for me

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Speaker 1: to watch basketball now because it seems like that's the

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Speaker 1: intent of every possession, to get a three point shot,

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Speaker 1: and it was used a lot differently obviously when I

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Speaker 1: played in this different air. The problem is this is

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Speaker 1: actually filtered all the way down to the youth level,

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Speaker 1: certainly AAU level. Go watch an AU tournament one weekend

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Speaker 1: and sit there and you know, watch six eight games

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Speaker 1: on the court in front of you. Pull up a

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Speaker 1: chair and just take a look at what's going on.

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Speaker 1: You're hundred percent right. There's a lot of guys taking

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Speaker 1: that shot because they've been empowered to do it, because

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00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: people are telling everybody, the analytics say that's the way

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Speaker 1: to play basketball now. And there's too many guys to

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Speaker 1: me that have the ultimate green light that don't deserve it.

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Speaker 1: That's what I see when I watched basketball now. But

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Speaker 1: I was wondering about this with Magic Johnson. Magic couldn't

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Speaker 1: shoot when he first came out of Michigan State. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he could run an offense, he was great, wonderful passer.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how the NBA would treat him if he

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Speaker 1: was just coming out and he couldn't shoot the three

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Speaker 1: or you know, there's probably you know, tens, twenty thirty

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Speaker 1: players that you can think of that how would we

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Speaker 1: view them now if they were coming at Jason Kidd.

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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd couldn't shoot. He became a good three point shooter,

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Speaker 1: But how do you think basketball would have treated, you know,

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Speaker 1: legend Hall of famers like that. Yeah, it's interesting. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about guys now at the very top of

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Speaker 1: the food chain, right, So you're talking about Badgic the

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Speaker 1: most unique weapon in the history of the game at

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Speaker 1: that position, six nine, powerful playing downhill, yet you know,

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Speaker 1: no three point shot. But I think people would look

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Speaker 1: at him as a weapon that you can use to

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Speaker 1: set up three point shooters if he was coming into

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Speaker 1: the league now, because when you combine you know, his

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Speaker 1: ability to rebound at that position, his ability to guard

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Speaker 1: bigger guys, because the league now is set up that

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Speaker 1: way that you want a four or five man that

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Speaker 1: can switch out and guard guards. That's what he would be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Ben Simmons like that. But Ben Simmons like but

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Speaker 1: Ben Simmons, WHI is a great defender, he can get

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Speaker 1: to the hoop, he's a good passer, he just can't

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Speaker 1: shoot deep, and you know, we go, how can he

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Speaker 1: be an All Star? So it's a very valid point

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Speaker 1: as particularly when you look at Ben Simmons, because you

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Speaker 1: look at him and people are still and I'm in

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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia area, still, I live here, So this is

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Speaker 1: the team that I follow. That most of my conversations

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Speaker 1: with my friends and people are about the Sixers, and

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Speaker 1: specifically usually about Ben Simmons. I've kind of given up

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Speaker 1: on that thought. That's going to add this. It's just

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Speaker 1: not going to happen. This is what he is, and

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Speaker 1: we're always going to view him as a guy as

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Speaker 1: a result that's lacking this one skill that a perimeter

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00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: player needs in the NBA now, which is the ability

638
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: to beat you from anywhere on the floor. But you

639
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: can't get the superstar status in today's game unless you

640
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: have that. So I think that's a very valid point

641
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: about Magic. The one thing about Magic Guy will say,

642
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: I think he's the type of guy that could probably

643
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: add it, adapt to it a little bit better than

644
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons certainly has been willing to even compromise at all.

645
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's actually regressed in terms of his willingness

646
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: to look at that shot from fifteen feet, much less

647
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: the three point line. Could you help Lonzo Ball? I'm

648
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: not saying fix. Could you help Ben Simmons? Maybe not fix?

649
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: No question in my mind. You know, and I know

650
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: that these guys, they spent money, the teams have spent money.

651
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: All these guys now have shooting coaches they work out

652
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: with in the summer. There's no question I've done it.

653
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: I've not done it with a guy at that level

654
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: in the NBA but I've done it with countless players,

655
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: and it's a process that you go through, and I

656
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: think there is just if you can get a guy

657
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: to focus on two or three things. And I think

658
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: there's about maybe literally ten to twelve things that I

659
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: could talk about ad nauseum, what goes into it, the

660
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: mechanics of it. But you can't overwhelm a guy because

661
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: what's going to happen If you give someone too much.

662
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: They're going to end up not having success early and

663
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: they're going to go right back to their old habits

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Speaker 1: because that's where they're comfortable. So you've got to break

665
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: it down to two or three things. And each guy

666
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: is different. It might be something different with that particular player,

667
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: And I do think there's a way to break through

668
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: that barrier mentally and get them to buy into two

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00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: or three things from a mechanic standpoint and help guys.

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00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about it. I can

671
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: sit and look. It's the one thing I've been good

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00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: at in my life is doing that, and I know

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00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: how to teach it. I know how to communicate it

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00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: in a way that maybe they've never heard before. So yeah,

675
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: I'm confident that I could do something like that. And

676
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: I was always taught that you start about three feet

677
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: out from the basket, just underneath, and get your form

678
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: and then back up. Make you ten in a row,

679
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Make ten and a row, ten and row, ten and row.

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00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: Get to the free throw line, make ten in a row,

681
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: and then you get to the top of the key.

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Speaker 1: And that's the progression. Just get your form, get the feel,

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00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: get the release, and then you can kind of build

684
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: up your confidence. But you know, you watch Lonzo Ball.

685
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: He runs away from shooting free throws at the end

686
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: of a game, he's got a wide open three. How

687
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 1: did he get to that point in his career? Well,

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Speaker 1: I will give him credit because when he came into

689
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: the league, I had never seen any player shoot a

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Speaker 1: basketball the way that he did. A right handed player

691
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: releasing the ball from his left eye sucket. I had

692
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. And as a result, he's

693
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: a guy with great vision, he's a good defender, so

694
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Speaker 1: he has all these skills that help you win. But

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00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: that was a big problem, and I said, well, there's

696
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Speaker 1: no way he can ever shoot a mid range shot.

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Speaker 1: How can you shoot a shot going to your right

698
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: your strong hand have to stop and bring the ball

699
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: back to the area where the defender is chasing you

700
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: from can't happen. As a result, he never really takes

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00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: a midrange shot. Now, I will give him credit his

702
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: stroke and release. It's night and day from when he

703
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: came into the league. He's now at least a viable

704
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: three point shooter. He's a threat from out there, and

705
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: you play against Zion and Brandon Ingram, you're gonna have

706
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: to do it. He's at it. I give him a

707
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Speaker 1: lot of credit. He put the work in. Very few

708
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: guys that have had that much success to that point

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Speaker 1: in their life would be willing to at the time end.

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00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's where Ben Simmons. I think you

711
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: can absolutely critique him. That's not important enough to him.

712
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: So I will give Lonzo ball credit that he's gotten

713
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: it to that point. How he ever got a stroke

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Speaker 1: that looked like that in the first place, that's that's

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Speaker 1: beyond me. I don't know how anybody along the way

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Speaker 1: didn't stop that at a very young age and say,

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00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: wait a second, what is this. You're the only person

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00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: on earth who's ever shot a basketball that way. But

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00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant does start on the left side and brings

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00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: it over. Now it's not as pronounced. It's not like

721
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Speaker 1: a windshield wiper with Lonzo ball. But you know, Durant,

722
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: I always tell people that, you know, like a golf swing,

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00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: don't look at everything until the point of impact, Like

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Speaker 1: where are you with club and the ball? And it's

725
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: the same thing when you shoot, however you get there,

726
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: what does it look like when you end up releasing

727
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: the shot? And Durant ends up in perfect position. He

728
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: may not start, but he ends up in a perfect position.

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00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: He absolutely does. And you're right, And guys are going

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Speaker 1: to get it there differently. And also I will say

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Speaker 1: to some two younger players, those aren't necessarily the guys

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Speaker 1: you want to emulate, like like, for instance, Dirk Navski

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Speaker 1: is one of the greatest shooters in NBA history. I

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Speaker 1: would never advise a player that I was working with

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00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: to shoot the ball with a twenty four foot arc.

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Speaker 1: I mean the distance that Dirt Navski's ball travels from

737
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Speaker 1: his fingertip to the rim maybe the greatest of any

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Speaker 1: player in history that was a good shooter. That means

739
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: there's there's far less margin for error because of the

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Speaker 1: distance is traveling. But he's a freak. Kevin Durrant is

741
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: a freak. So what you want to what I want

742
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: to try to do with guys is look, regardless of

743
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: what feels comfortable to you, how you're getting it up there.

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00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: The bottom line is by the time you get to

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00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: just before release, it should look the same with everybody

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Speaker 1: if you are going to be a really good shooter.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I've noticed with players,

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00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: they have a really difficult time getting the ball to

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Speaker 1: train from their entire hand to their fingertips before the release,

750
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: and that's a big problem that guys just never seem

751
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: to be able to break through. They also have a

752
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: hard time dan having their wrist and elbow lock at

753
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: exactly the same time. Some guys never get the full extension,

754
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: like Zion Williamson would be a great example of that,

755
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: and he could make an occasional three. But can you

756
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: imagine if he ever felt comfortable taking that shot with

757
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: the amount of distance that people have to give him.

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00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: Because he's so explosive, I don't know he's going to

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00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: get there because he doesn't extend his left arm. Ben

760
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: Simmons is the same way. His wrist never makes it

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00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: to this position, so there are little things and look

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Speaker 1: part of it as the player. How much repetition are

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00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: you willing to put into this? He's Tim Legler ESPN

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Speaker 1: NBA analyst. Yet I don't know if you knew this,

765
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: but we had Ray Allen in the studio. This was

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00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, a couple of years ago, and Ray

767
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: had the ball on the palm of his hand. He

768
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: was just holding it, and I corrected him. I said,

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Speaker 1: Ray and his look. I don't know why I did it, Tim,

770
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Speaker 1: but I did. Here's here's maybe the greatest shooter, one

771
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Speaker 1: of the greatest shooters. I mean, it's like critiquing Warren

772
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Speaker 1: Buffett on investment portfolio. And I said, I said, Ray,

773
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Speaker 1: you got the ball on your palm of your hand,

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Speaker 1: and I was always taught you don't have the ball

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Speaker 1: on the palm of your hand. Was I wrong to

776
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:22,800
Speaker 1: critique Rayon? Uh? No, No, in the context that that

777
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: would be a great segment, that's that's hilarious. But a

778
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: guy like that, like for me, he was the greatest

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Speaker 1: shooter that I had ever seen for probably about a

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Speaker 1: decade until Steph Curry came along. And Steph Curry has

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Speaker 1: taken the art of shooting to a level. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure it will ever be replicated. Honestly, he's he's a

783
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime player. He's and he's you know,

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Speaker 1: I do I do think this, Dan. I do think

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00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: there's a generation of players that Steph Curry has helped

786
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Speaker 1: and I know the concept of the game maybe and philosophically, offensively,

787
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: it's hurt some levels and some teams and some players.

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00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: It's also helped guys because there's a whole lot of

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00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: kids out there. They looked at a guy that six

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00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: foot four, slightly built, not a lot of muscle definition,

791
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: and he simply made himself this good through skill repetition.

792
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: Because I think Steph Curry might be the greatest combination

793
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: of the three skill elements of the game past dribble

794
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: shoot that we've ever seen. I think he is the

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00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: highest combination of those three things. And it was simply

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00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: done through repetition. And you don't he didn't have to

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00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: be a physical freak to do it. So I think

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00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: that gives some kids actual hope and it makes them

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Speaker 1: go work on the game a little bit harder, which

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00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: is a good thing. Are you all in on the

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00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: jazz As far as being an NBA title contender. This

802
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: is not something that's a great story or a great start.

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00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm watching them deep dive every night again last night,

804
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: perfect example. Here's what they do differently than anybody else.

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00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: And I do compare them to the Warriors a little

806
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: bit when when we first that splashed on the scene,

807
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: We've never really seen that kind of ball movement, player movement,

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00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: quick decisives and actions and then ending up in the

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00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: hands of a great shooter. Now they don't have step

810
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: and play on their team, but they've got a stable

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00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: of guys that can do it. But the mentality is

812
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: exactly the same. Everything is quick and decisive. It's all

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00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: based off a high ball screen a dive by Gobert Favors,

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00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: and now we're just going to get you to react

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00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: to that because if you know they're going to score

816
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: at the rim, and now we've got super high IQ players,

817
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: the ball is going to start hopping around a perimeter.

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00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: We're always going to make the extra pass and you're

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00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: not going to catch up to the basketball. And it's

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00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to watch because for me, that's a

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00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: great offense. Looks like I know we were talking about

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00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: the three point shot and the heavy reliance on it. Well,

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00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: when you get looks that good, you should play that way.

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00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: Because they're making eighteen of these things at night. And

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00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: you think about the Warriors Dan when Steph first splashed

826
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: on the scene, we thought that was the greatest shooting

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00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: team we'd ever seen. They were making thirteen a night.

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00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: This team is making eighteen a game. That's how different

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Speaker 1: this is. So yes, And the other thing is they defend.

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00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: This is one trick pony where they've got to outscore you.

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Speaker 1: They will defend on nights where they're not shooting well.

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Speaker 1: And I think they're legit title contenter. Absolutely would not

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00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: be shocked to see them, say, beat the Clippers in

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00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: the second round if it ends up that way, and

835
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: end up with the Lakers in the conference final. Okay,

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00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: talk Laker fans off the ledge. Well, look, here's the

837
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: thing you have. Obviously you're missing a D and Street

838
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: or that's that's enormous. But here's the other thing. They're

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00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: a defending champion. Go back through history defending champions. You

840
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: get to mid season, there's typically going to be a

841
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: foot off the gas a little bit mentality because the

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00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: freshness of the season is in your rear view mirror,

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00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: and they were tired because they had a short turnaround.

844
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: But the adrenaline of a new year gets you going.

845
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: That's gone. The playoffs are too far away. It's cold

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00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 1: as hell anywhere you go right now to play. That's

847
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: a downer. The skies are gray, you're in a rut.

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Speaker 1: You're also shorthanded. It's the perfect time mentally for them

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Speaker 1: to sort of be going through the motions a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I see in this team. There is

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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to worry about. As long as Anthony Davis

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Speaker 1: comes back healthy and stays back healthy, this team is

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Speaker 1: going to the NBA Finals. Utah might have something to

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Speaker 1: say about that. So I'm not as definitive on that

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Speaker 1: as I was before the year. I made a joke

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Speaker 1: when they added an Arrol and Streeter, let's just make

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Speaker 1: it a ten game season and play to play the finals,

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Speaker 1: because nobody can beat that team. I don't feel as

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Speaker 1: definitive about that now because of the Jazz particularly, But still,

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Speaker 1: if you've got a D and you've got that kind

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Speaker 1: of versatility with Lebron and ad and they're so unique

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Speaker 1: into problems they cause for you on both ends. For me,

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Speaker 1: It's still the Lakers, so nothing to worry about. It's

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Speaker 1: typical midseason dulgrums for defending champion. That's shorthanded. Leg's great

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Speaker 1: to catch up with you again. We appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: as always, always great Dan. That's Tim Legler from the

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Speaker 1: Mother's Ship. Be sure to catch the live edition of

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