Speaker 1: Hey, how's it going? Everyone? You are listening to another
Speaker 1: episode of nerd Efficent. I am one hand of your
Speaker 1: host if you watch away, but digitally sitting across from
Speaker 1: me is Danny Fernandez. Hey, how's it going, Danny? How
Speaker 1: how's your how's your core going? I mean it's going.
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still writing on the show. So we
Speaker 1: meet virtually, and um, that's interesting, you know, because I'm
Speaker 1: like wearing a bikini top as a bra, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, like nobody really sees very much. I got
Speaker 1: my like I got like tiny like yoga shorts on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Molly is a menace. Everyone asked about my dog, and
Speaker 1: she's like straight up rear windowing it, just like watching
Speaker 1: every neighbor and like barking at them to stay inside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's uh pent up, got got that. She's going
Speaker 1: stir crazy. She's like, I need to sniff butts. I
Speaker 1: need to be out there running and smell the grass.
Speaker 1: She's like, stay home, save lives. She's just like screaming
Speaker 1: at people. Yeah, I gotta stay inside. You better get
Speaker 1: inside right now. How's your quarantine going? How's Naomi good?
Speaker 1: You know, she's getting stir crazy too. I remember the
Speaker 1: not too long and I took her for a walk
Speaker 1: and her and another kid saw each other and they
Speaker 1: looked like they both never saw another kid for years,
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, both relax, y'all need
Speaker 1: to chill the f out. But other than that, good,
Speaker 1: very very good, very good. I just got a box
Speaker 1: set of yomi Azaki all his works, and I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't know he did the loop on the third movie,
Speaker 1: so that was like a nice, uh kind of surprise.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I got that. I've been buying so
Speaker 1: many blue rays I got ACKI to goring log on
Speaker 1: big oh really and then about like a blue ray holder.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have so so much physical media. Well
Speaker 1: that's good because a lot of streaming sites have been
Speaker 1: like mine keeps buffering so much because everyone's on it
Speaker 1: and it's literally driving me nuts. That's why I was like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a good time, and like, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I you know, I will say, the streaming slights do
Speaker 1: keep up with four K and stuff, so it looks
Speaker 1: gorgeous either way, but there is something that just having
Speaker 1: it pop it in and you're not you know, waiting
Speaker 1: for buffering. You're just getting that crisp Crisp blue ray.
Speaker 1: Uh you know picture. Uh you know who else is
Speaker 1: going to have all the Miyazaki stuff. HBO Max, they
Speaker 1: have the right, they're uploading all of it. And you
Speaker 1: know they're my I was gonna say they're my baby mama.
Speaker 1: We're in a relationship together. So well, this week I
Speaker 1: have no segue. Last week I had the best seguays,
Speaker 1: but this week I have no speaking of relationships. No. Um.
Speaker 1: We have assistant editor at the Mary Sue. She's also
Speaker 1: the co host of It's Lit from PBS. It is
Speaker 1: Princess Week. Hi, thank you so much for having me,
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on as much. Oh are you binging
Speaker 1: anything right now? I am currently binging Deep Space nine.
Speaker 1: Uh is my first trek, like for real, for real.
Speaker 1: I got really into Discovery and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: let me watch the other black one and so and
Speaker 1: I'm having a good time with it. It's sadly very
Speaker 1: topical and relevant right now. Yeah. No, Joe, if he'll
Speaker 1: be proud of me because the thing I've been binging
Speaker 1: is Jojo Stories. I was like, oh, yeah, see how
Speaker 1: you liking those buff men? Oh he's so thick. I'm
Speaker 1: very happy he's so thick and just beautiful. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I was saying, is it's crazy how and Jojo
Speaker 1: they do not neglect the thighs like they they all
Speaker 1: their buff upper body, but they also have like ripped
Speaker 1: quads too, Like that's what I'm talking about. He's like
Speaker 1: if the Hulk were like royalty or something. Yes, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh. Yeah, so I'm just I'm still in season one,
Speaker 1: but I heard it gets even better, right, So yeah,
Speaker 1: season season one is kind of hard for people because
Speaker 1: of that royal kind of cheesy talk. It gets a
Speaker 1: little better and part two of season one when it
Speaker 1: like bumps up to like the seventies, and then after
Speaker 1: that it's a little more current and that's when it's
Speaker 1: really it's a really easy watch. But I didn't mind
Speaker 1: it too much me, you know, because I actually love that.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is hella like count of
Speaker 1: Money Christo, Yes, exactly. Yeah, And then yeah with me,
Speaker 1: what I'm binging is the show called Gintama, which is, uh,
Speaker 1: it's a it's an of me, but it's like comedy
Speaker 1: action and it's been really it's funny because there's they
Speaker 1: do a lot of like topical Japanese humor, and they'll
Speaker 1: try and you know how anime when its subs, they'll
Speaker 1: like put a whole chunk of information at the top
Speaker 1: of this, like you have to pose it because it's
Speaker 1: like a paragraph explaining a joke within a paragraph of dialogue.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait, hold hold up, hold up. But
Speaker 1: it's been a it's been a fun watch. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I've just been enjoying that. So I'm real excited that
Speaker 1: we're all binging some nice and nerdy things. Uh, we're
Speaker 1: getting into some nice and nerdy things. Uh. Talking about
Speaker 1: a character from d C who I feel like she's
Speaker 1: she's been getting a lot of waves from Birds of Prey,
Speaker 1: but you know, her name has been popping up, you know,
Speaker 1: quite quite a bit because uh it was correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, but she was part of them, or
Speaker 1: I guess it was the same name the other Birds
Speaker 1: of Prey that isn't the one that was the movie,
Speaker 1: right the TV show? Yes, Yeah, she a version of
Speaker 1: her was in it. Uh. Whenever anybody says a version,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, here we go. Yeah. So, so, um,
Speaker 1: what if he's talking about this week we're covering Black
Speaker 1: Canary and um if he did you get to watch
Speaker 1: Birds of Prey yet? No, I'm an idiot. Yeah I
Speaker 1: have it on my on my like que, but I
Speaker 1: have not watched it because I've been doing all these
Speaker 1: uh these super Punch live streams. Um, well, it is fantastic.
Speaker 1: It's why. I mean, obviously we're all kind of up
Speaker 1: in arms about the fact that it's not so good
Speaker 1: and like not getting the credit obviously that it deserves.
Speaker 1: But another thing I want to say is the fight
Speaker 1: scenes are glorious, Like they're really good, like they're real choreographed,
Speaker 1: um so, and just funny, like honestly just funny and
Speaker 1: like dark but lighthearted, and it has you know, each
Speaker 1: woman is so different and definitely worth checking out. But
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy because people were like, y'all are
Speaker 1: watching Tiger King and you can't even spend ninety minutes
Speaker 1: watching Birds of Preak. You know, you know, I fall
Speaker 1: into that category where it's like, trust me, it's on
Speaker 1: my list. It's definitely my stuff. I was almost going
Speaker 1: to mess up and say, you know, the other word,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely in my lane. It is just one
Speaker 1: of those things where like it came out and that
Speaker 1: that's what's so interesting too, I will say, because yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure later in the podcast will really get into
Speaker 1: just how weird it was for the promotion of this movie,
Speaker 1: but even like now, when everyone's at home, it really
Speaker 1: seems like they didn't do any promotion that it was out.
Speaker 1: The way I found out it was out was from
Speaker 1: my friends posting it they were watching, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's weird. You know, you would think that you would
Speaker 1: push this release even harder since everyone is stuck at
Speaker 1: home right now, and you I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: feels everything around, just the lack of promotion, both on
Speaker 1: screen and on on It's like, you know, digital release
Speaker 1: just feels off. Mm hmm, agreed. Um, well, practice, I
Speaker 1: wanted to start with, like, what was your first introduction
Speaker 1: to Black Canary that you remember? Um, So, my first
Speaker 1: introduction to her was when I watched Justice League Unlimited.
Speaker 1: There's an episode where she shows up and I remember
Speaker 1: the it's you see a panning shot and she's on
Speaker 1: top of this truck and you see like her like
Speaker 1: boots and fishnets first, and then she just destroys five
Speaker 1: burglars with all of this amazing martial arts skills, and
Speaker 1: I knew then that I was hooked. I just I
Speaker 1: fell in love with that character. I loved how she
Speaker 1: was both very like sexy obviously but like competent. She
Speaker 1: can just step into a room and just destroy everybody
Speaker 1: in there, either fighting hand to hand or using her
Speaker 1: Canary cry. And I was a stand from that moment.
Speaker 1: What about you, Iffie, do you remember your first introduction
Speaker 1: when he first saw her? Yeah? My my first introduction
Speaker 1: went to black Canary. I think is when when did that?
Speaker 1: When when did the Birds of Prey show pop up?
Speaker 1: Let me let me see that in the two thousand's right, Okay,
Speaker 1: Now there was like a live action version. The live
Speaker 1: action one was there were a couple the earliest one
Speaker 1: what's their list? One? Like ever it looks like ninety
Speaker 1: nine okay, definitely not that, yes, and the Birds of
Speaker 1: pretty like the actual show. Yeah, two thousand and two
Speaker 1: when they did so, that was kind of like when
Speaker 1: she kind of was on my radar for me. Uh
Speaker 1: and definitely yet her Justice League appearances, but also, um,
Speaker 1: she was doing some stuff during like the New fifty
Speaker 1: two era, and I think that's when I got sprinklings,
Speaker 1: like New fifty two. I was right when I was
Speaker 1: in the in the like the the the critical mass
Speaker 1: of me buying comic books and having a poll poll
Speaker 1: list like it was. It was like the heroic Age,
Speaker 1: and I think they were trying to call it for
Speaker 1: Marvel and New fifty two. It was Brightest Day. And
Speaker 1: then it led to New fifty two. We had the
Speaker 1: Flashpoint event, and so I got I took this as
Speaker 1: an opportunity to really get to know characters in DC
Speaker 1: outside of me, And they had this really cool dead
Speaker 1: Shot as a pirate, you know, because they did these
Speaker 1: alt series during flash flash Point, because there was all
Speaker 1: these alternate universe all these heroes, and one was where
Speaker 1: Batman was Bruce Wayne's father and it was actually his
Speaker 1: son that died and his son and wife. It was
Speaker 1: like really cool stuff. But then at the New fifty
Speaker 1: two stage, they kind of rebooted everything and I kind
Speaker 1: of tried to get a little bit of everything, and
Speaker 1: so she she was sprinkled around because there was the
Speaker 1: Team um where they had Team seven I think it
Speaker 1: was called, and and I was seeing a little bit
Speaker 1: of her in that um you know, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was also in two thousand and two. But um,
Speaker 1: I really remember when um she popped up in Smallville.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, that was after oh yeah, and then of
Speaker 1: course in uh in the CW word, Like that's that's
Speaker 1: what I you know, remember until this movie, like you know,
Speaker 1: the most vividly, but obviously also in the animation and
Speaker 1: the animated shows. But I think like actually the embodiment
Speaker 1: of like seeing her in live action that was mine
Speaker 1: until Birds of Prey, until this film came out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean before we before we get too deep,
Speaker 1: I think we can go in the the intro into uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the nitty gritty of Black Canary, which is
Speaker 1: the fact that Robert Canager and car Carmine Infantino created
Speaker 1: the character in to be featured in Flash Comics as
Speaker 1: a supporting character, appearing first as a Claddenstein crime fighter
Speaker 1: who infiltrates criminal organizations to break them from the inside.
Speaker 1: Black Canary was drawn with fishnet stockings and black and
Speaker 1: a black leather jacket to conno images of a sexualized
Speaker 1: yet strong female character. She appeared as a character in
Speaker 1: a backup story featuring Johnny Thunder. Yeah, so this is
Speaker 1: um from Carmine says, I was drawing Johnny Thunder, which
Speaker 1: was not much of a character. I suppose he could
Speaker 1: have been better because his Thunderbolt was interesting, but the
Speaker 1: situations they were in were pretty juvenile. Bob Canag wrote
Speaker 1: these stories and he had no respect for the characters. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's always funny we discovered t there's so much. These
Speaker 1: stories were nowhere near as good as the Flashtoys. D
Speaker 1: C knew it. They knew Johnny he was a loser.
Speaker 1: This is a lot ut in the Black Canary to
Speaker 1: the series. Immediately she got a good response and it
Speaker 1: was by bye, Johnny thunder Nobody missed him. Wow, there's
Speaker 1: a scrub. This is open public knowledge. So I don't
Speaker 1: mind quickly spilling the tea on this Ben Affleck thing.
Speaker 1: The Gone Girl commentary had a director's commentary. David Fincher
Speaker 1: was like, there was a scene and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: in this scene where Ben Affleck just putting on a
Speaker 1: hat and going through the airport and he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be recognized from the news, and he was like,
Speaker 1: given like something something how unprofessional of an actor Ben
Speaker 1: Affleck is He refused where a Yankees hat, even though
Speaker 1: it would fit the character, because that's where the character
Speaker 1: is from because he's because Ben Affleck is like a
Speaker 1: Boston fan, and so we that lines up. That lines
Speaker 1: up with and he said, he said, it's shut down
Speaker 1: production for four days. So my guys had to sit
Speaker 1: around for four days. We wasted and he just did
Speaker 1: not care. He just eight up, was like he's unprofessional,
Speaker 1: and I was like, and it was in a commentary
Speaker 1: for his movie Wild, Oh my God. And in his defense,
Speaker 1: if they tried to get me to wear a Celtics jersey,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, nah, him like I don't know. Like Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Chris Evans has been pertaining to be from Brooklyn for
Speaker 1: life a decade, so it can be done. It's black.
Speaker 1: Canarias ranked the seventy one greatest comic book character of
Speaker 1: all time by Wizard and I g and rated her
Speaker 1: it's eighty one greatest all time comic book hero. She's
Speaker 1: number twenty six on the Comic Buyers Guys to Sexiest
Speaker 1: Women in Comics list. Wo yeah, you got a huge
Speaker 1: bump up when it turned into the Sexiest Women in Comics.
Speaker 1: We talked about this in a in our other episode,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of wild how anime women in
Speaker 1: anime gets seen as being oversexualized. When you look at
Speaker 1: our the comics it covers from the nineties, and it's
Speaker 1: like boobs that are so big it's like painful looking,
Speaker 1: like it just looks. That's what's so funny to kind
Speaker 1: of watching um My Hero Academia and how they have
Speaker 1: characters like Midnight Um and um what is it Mount
Speaker 1: Lady who are like overtly like kind of especially Midnight Midnight.
Speaker 1: Her whole thing is how sexual and how everyone finds it.
Speaker 1: But then when you think about that My Hero Academia
Speaker 1: is based off of like Western comics, it's almost like
Speaker 1: it almost makes you wonder if they're almost making fun
Speaker 1: and winking at Western audiences of being like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you always make fun of anime characters, but here's how
Speaker 1: y'all superheroes be looking. I think that right, because the
Speaker 1: other women in it aren't like there's women that have smaller,
Speaker 1: you know, bodies in My hero and so like it's
Speaker 1: specifically especially because all my is kind of making fun
Speaker 1: of or at least a nod to Western superheroes. But
Speaker 1: it's just funny to me that we never talk about
Speaker 1: our own stuff and we're always like, oh, they're sexualizing
Speaker 1: it's like, no, we have that. Also, like a lot
Speaker 1: of these characters are teenagers too, especially star Fire, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, star Fire, Oh boy. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember Princess the new fifty two star Fire
Speaker 1: that was so bad everyone had to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this we went too far. We went to it was
Speaker 1: infamously bad that even fanboys were like, no, I think
Speaker 1: this is a bit much. Do you know when um,
Speaker 1: when um Steve, when Steve Carrell in The Four Year
Speaker 1: Old Virgin, he refers to boobs as like bags of sand. Like,
Speaker 1: so that's what I think of with some of these comics.
Speaker 1: It just looks like the boombs are about to burst open.
Speaker 1: Like it reminds me of like when my sister in
Speaker 1: law was breastfeeding. It's just like there's like busting out
Speaker 1: of this. That's what I mean about pain for where
Speaker 1: it's just like it just looks like they're about to
Speaker 1: bust through their skin. Yeah, Cup runneth over for sure.
Speaker 1: Um So. At her Golden Age debut, Black Canary was
Speaker 1: the alter ego of Dina Drake. Am I saying that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Dina Dina Dina Drake and participated in crime fighting adventures
Speaker 1: with her love interests and eventual husband, Gotham City detective
Speaker 1: Larry Lance. Did you princess like this run or like
Speaker 1: her having a husband. I have to say my favorite
Speaker 1: incarnation is actually her daughter. But I do like it
Speaker 1: when superpowered women have scrubs for husbands, Like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how I feel when I watched Wonder Woman with them.
Speaker 1: Steve Trevor, like he's very much the sub Like he's
Speaker 1: very he's very much like she wears the pants and
Speaker 1: he's okay with that. Um So, I do love that
Speaker 1: about these d C ladies. If you need to make
Speaker 1: a comic like that. The support of dad, Yeah, good,
Speaker 1: good supportive dad, And I like those concepts. I like
Speaker 1: a good support of dad. I was like, yeah, mom
Speaker 1: and my daughters out there fighting crime and I'm just,
Speaker 1: you know, over here doing dishes. Um so. Black Canary
Speaker 1: was originally a hand to hand fighter without superpowers who
Speaker 1: often pose as a criminal to infiltrate criminal gangs. Later
Speaker 1: stories depicted her as a world class martial artist with
Speaker 1: a superpower, The Canary Cry, as a high powered sonic
Speaker 1: scream which could shatter objects and incapacity and even kill
Speaker 1: powerful floes. Um actually did really like how they showed
Speaker 1: that in the new Birds of Prey movie. I was
Speaker 1: like wondering exactly how they would um if they were
Speaker 1: like burst out our ear drops in the theater, But
Speaker 1: I felt like they did a really good job of that, so, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's fun thing listeners. So after the Crisis
Speaker 1: on and fitted Earth's event, uh, Black Black Canaries origin
Speaker 1: was altered and the character were now two separate people, uh,
Speaker 1: Dine Drake and her daughter, Dina Laurel Lance. And Dina
Speaker 1: Drake married private investigator Larry Lance and acquaintance of James Gordon,
Speaker 1: and after the loss of her husband and retired, Dinah
Speaker 1: Lance raised their daughter raised their daughter, Dinah Laurel Lance,
Speaker 1: who grew up surrounded by her mother's friends and former
Speaker 1: teammates of the Justice Society. Awed by her mother's exploits
Speaker 1: as the Black Canary and the adventures of the Justice Society,
Speaker 1: Dina aspired to become a superheroine. However, the older Dinah
Speaker 1: did not approve of her daughter's wishes. Well, if I
Speaker 1: did want to hop into her powers, and we're going
Speaker 1: to do that. Right after these messages, we are back.
Speaker 1: We're still talking about Black Canary. I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about her powers because we kind of touched on them.
Speaker 1: But Um, Princess, aside from her sonic scream, her Black
Speaker 1: Canary cry, Um, what are some of the other powers
Speaker 1: that she's known for. Well, her other really abilities are
Speaker 1: more her combat style. She is, after Lady Shiva and Batman,
Speaker 1: one of the top tier fighters in the DC Universe period.
Speaker 1: She's trained in like several different sorts of combat skills
Speaker 1: and even with her Canary car that has changed over time,
Speaker 1: but the most consistent thing of batter is that she
Speaker 1: can basically kick anyone's but in any situation. Um. She
Speaker 1: has beaten up Batman before and that was fantastic to watch.
Speaker 1: I feel like most people have an advantage over that
Speaker 1: man because he's literally wrapped in rubber, like it must
Speaker 1: be so difficult for him to move all the time.
Speaker 1: And then okay, so she Yeah, we have a list
Speaker 1: here of like all of her different martial arts style,
Speaker 1: which is like every style ever. Um. She has been
Speaker 1: trained by other top tier fighters including Wildcat, Lady Shiva,
Speaker 1: Cassandra Caine, and wonder Woman. Okay, so, with the comics
Speaker 1: in Oracle summoned Black Canary to work as an agent
Speaker 1: for her. After a mission with her first agent, Power Girl,
Speaker 1: went awry, the duo formed the Birds of Prey, and
Speaker 1: when Dina began working with the Birds of Prey, she
Speaker 1: got rid of her blonde wig and bleach bleached her
Speaker 1: hair blonde, so she went full blonde. Um. At first,
Speaker 1: Dina did not get along with Oracle, but eventually the
Speaker 1: two put their disagreements aside and became best friends. UM.
Speaker 1: As far as the Birds of Prey run, what do
Speaker 1: you think A Prentice? What do you think? Like? Attracted
Speaker 1: people to this comic so much because it kind of
Speaker 1: just has lived on pretty iconically. I think for a
Speaker 1: lot of people it was a great way to highlight
Speaker 1: Oracle because this was kind of like the really big
Speaker 1: thing that she had done post becoming Bad Girl and
Speaker 1: now is Oracle. So it was great seeing all of
Speaker 1: these women coming together to basically pick a team. And
Speaker 1: even though Chuck Dixon is the one who originated and
Speaker 1: Gayl Simone took over this series in like two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, I believe she really allowed all of the
Speaker 1: women to have really interesting dynamics. They were left to
Speaker 1: have genuine um disagreements as a squad but like really
Speaker 1: build together. And I think that um, in comparison to
Speaker 1: the film, what a lot of people really missed and
Speaker 1: wanted was that Oracle Um Dina Countress relationship because that
Speaker 1: was like the core three of the of the Birds
Speaker 1: of Prey for a long time. Yeah, and so then
Speaker 1: they ended up adding, um, you know Harley Quinn poison
Speaker 1: ivy um. And I want to say Gail Simone, which
Speaker 1: is just so she I know I've talked about on
Speaker 1: this podcast her like women in Fridges, which is still up.
Speaker 1: She's the one that kind of coined that term as
Speaker 1: far as women being killed or hurt in some way
Speaker 1: to further the plot of a man character. Um. She
Speaker 1: is a treat to also follow on Twitter because she
Speaker 1: is just flexing on people constantly. Um. She people will
Speaker 1: be like what do you even know about comics? Or
Speaker 1: like what do you know about this person? And she'll
Speaker 1: like take a shot like a screenshot of her library
Speaker 1: and it's just like she's like read the names on
Speaker 1: it and it's just her name written on like all
Speaker 1: of the comics is it's third Winner's trying to come
Speaker 1: for her online because it's like do you even know
Speaker 1: who you're talking to like, yeah, yeah, no, exactly, It's
Speaker 1: so funny. I just love watching her flex constantly, but
Speaker 1: also as someone that that understands how often women are
Speaker 1: kind of just used as very stereotypical trophy ways, it
Speaker 1: was so great to have her not only getting this obviously,
Speaker 1: but she's also known for wonder Woman. I mean, she's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite oneer woman uh writers. But just
Speaker 1: like being able to take full reins on this, and
Speaker 1: same with the Birds of Prey movie, like just having
Speaker 1: women involved. You can feel it like in the bone
Speaker 1: of this, you know. Um, So that was really that
Speaker 1: was really awesome. And if you haven't picked up these comics,
Speaker 1: it's a great time to still get comics. I think
Speaker 1: even a lot of comic book places they're still trying
Speaker 1: to stay afloat. This is just like a sidebar, but
Speaker 1: you can do like no contact like pick up and
Speaker 1: stuff with your fellow comics, like hit them up, ask them.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're trying to still they're still trying
Speaker 1: to stay in business. So it's a great time to
Speaker 1: catch up on comics right now. Very true, very true.
Speaker 1: We got lots of time inside, so feel free to
Speaker 1: go ahead and get at that. Pool List. It's so funny, Princess,
Speaker 1: because I'm looking at this her from when we cook
Speaker 1: on the animation thing in the um the artwork, she
Speaker 1: looks like Harley Quinn. So I'm really glad that they
Speaker 1: change that for the movie because it's like it would
Speaker 1: just be too Harley's No, for sure, they really like
Speaker 1: I would be watching Suicide Squad the other day and
Speaker 1: I just have so many notes on Harley's costume. I
Speaker 1: hate every almost everything about it. I hate. The best
Speaker 1: thing is that Margot Robbie is talented, but like man
Speaker 1: the Male Department, Yeah, when they went and ran with it,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so uh. The first animated appearance of Dina
Speaker 1: Drake is the basis of the character Donna Nance, the
Speaker 1: Black Siren, who's voiced by Jennifer Hale and the Justice
Speaker 1: League Animated series episode Legends in two thousand two. Then
Speaker 1: the Dina Laurel Lance version, which was voiced by Marina Backred,
Speaker 1: appears in the sequel series Justice League Unlimited, where she's
Speaker 1: a member of the Justice League and she has that
Speaker 1: romantic relationship with Green Arrow and uh, the partnership with
Speaker 1: Huntress during that series, which is probably like that that
Speaker 1: kind of like kind of lobbed it up to what
Speaker 1: would make the you know Erroverse team be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we need to bring her into the verse. She's great
Speaker 1: in arroverse, Like she's really I love her. I love
Speaker 1: her in that eares and uh on the CW I'm
Speaker 1: really glad with like also a great also a great
Speaker 1: channel that has a lot of badass women and queer people.
Speaker 1: They were like, the more queer people and women, the better.
Speaker 1: So I really respect them for doing that. I wanted
Speaker 1: to say. Jennifer Hale, little known fact, is actually the
Speaker 1: voice of Cinderella. So she when the original Cinderella passed away.
Speaker 1: You know, we're getting to a point where some of
Speaker 1: our original Disney princesses are passing on and the mantel
Speaker 1: gets handed to the next. She has voice Cinderella for
Speaker 1: twenty five years, I believe. Um. She was on my
Speaker 1: Disney Princess panel with the original princesses at New York
Speaker 1: Comic Con, so that was really cool. She doesn't always
Speaker 1: get the credit, but like, whenever you hear Cinderella, now,
Speaker 1: that is her. So she's carrying on the legacy of
Speaker 1: that character. It's pretty cool. So the black can area
Speaker 1: that I'm looking at right now. She has these gray leggings,
Speaker 1: black boots kind of like a blue top or a
Speaker 1: navy there thank you, um, and choker and a choker
Speaker 1: and um. But this was heavily, heavily changed for the movie. So, Princess,
Speaker 1: can you talk a little bit about her the change
Speaker 1: in her looks, because I love what they did for
Speaker 1: her in the movie. Yeah, for sure, Like the fishnet
Speaker 1: style is iconic, Like that's very much what Black Canary wears.
Speaker 1: But I definitely think that they did a good job
Speaker 1: at updating the costume. Actually, the costume that she wears
Speaker 1: at the end of the movie is a nod to
Speaker 1: sort of one of her older body suit costumes that
Speaker 1: you still exist. It was very disco um, and I
Speaker 1: think all the choices they made because there's one where
Speaker 1: she's singing, um, it's a man's world. She's wearing a
Speaker 1: fishnet dress, which looks amazing, and I think everything she
Speaker 1: wears is so thing that Dinah would wear um in
Speaker 1: her day to day garb uh. And I think I
Speaker 1: just wanted to do something that was a little bit
Speaker 1: less voye voyeuristic but still sexy because I think that
Speaker 1: you know, she's still wearing like this really um great
Speaker 1: body is She's still wearing these tight pants, but it's
Speaker 1: a little bit more functional than straight up corset body
Speaker 1: suit boots and fishnet leggings. Yeah, it's a great choice.
Speaker 1: I also want to say in every iteration of her,
Speaker 1: is she also a singer? That's newer um I believe
Speaker 1: in during one of the New fifty two relaunches, they
Speaker 1: did a standalone series with Dina I believe it was
Speaker 1: Dinah Drake, and they incorporated the singing into it, and
Speaker 1: that is just sort of like built in since then,
Speaker 1: so it's a fairly new addition, but it has um oh.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say. One of the things that's
Speaker 1: really interesting about Dinah as a character in like The
Speaker 1: Black Canarias that she was part of the original Um
Speaker 1: Justice Justice Society of America. So she's been like a
Speaker 1: really important figure in comic books for a really long time.
Speaker 1: But she's just very underrated because she's both a legacy
Speaker 1: character UM and she kind of gets overshadowed by some
Speaker 1: of the more powerful female staple characters like um, You're
Speaker 1: wonder Woman, You're Supergirl. But I think the fact that
Speaker 1: she's managed to be so popular from like the late
Speaker 1: forties onward, just shows like how special she is and
Speaker 1: how much people do like to see a female character
Speaker 1: whose power is half just pure physical combat. And also
Speaker 1: she screams that you real loud. Yeah, if I had
Speaker 1: a superpower, that would definitely be mine. Because I used
Speaker 1: to always say that I wanted to stop time. I
Speaker 1: was like, I just need more time, and now I
Speaker 1: have the little most time in the world. So I
Speaker 1: really regret saying that. Um, and now if I could
Speaker 1: just end people with my scream, that would be great.
Speaker 1: We we have to take a really quick break and
Speaker 1: then we're going to hop into the movie and in
Speaker 1: the future of Black Canary right after this and we
Speaker 1: are back. So something that it's kind of fascinating with
Speaker 1: with Black Canary and even Hunters in some way, is
Speaker 1: that now that they've kind of aligned with Harley Quinn.
Speaker 1: Harley Quinn, I don't want to say she's not a hero,
Speaker 1: but she's definitely an anti hero. And so do you
Speaker 1: think that Black Canary kind of hops back and forth
Speaker 1: between being being in that same space. Um, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say so. I think that other than when they first
Speaker 1: tried to like make her play both teams, and like
Speaker 1: the early early days of her creation, she's pretty much
Speaker 1: been a solid hero. I think that more has to
Speaker 1: do with Ecy trying to figure out how to deal
Speaker 1: with Harley, how to deal with the fact that she
Speaker 1: was a villain for so long, and I think they
Speaker 1: attached her to characters like dying like Barbara Gordon. He
Speaker 1: sort of allows us to see the good and Harley
Speaker 1: rather than to see the moral brainnest in those women. Gotcha, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. It's I mean I
Speaker 1: see Harley the same way I mean poison Ivy is
Speaker 1: seen depending on whose view you're looking at. She's a villain.
Speaker 1: I mean, she literally plays a villain in the Batman movies,
Speaker 1: but when you think about it, she's actually not really
Speaker 1: doing anything that villain is. She's trying to say she
Speaker 1: believes in plants and like humans are ruining things. She's
Speaker 1: a scientist and it's just like he was. Whose viewpoint
Speaker 1: are you looking at? But however, I do view her
Speaker 1: and Harley as being definitely more chaotic, like um, Harley
Speaker 1: has like a this chaos energy where it's more like
Speaker 1: she'll like do anything to get what she wants. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, Um, and so I feel like Black Canary
Speaker 1: has like slightly more morals than that. However, in Birds
Speaker 1: of Prey, it is really fascinating if we get another film,
Speaker 1: how how they're going to explore this, because I do
Speaker 1: agree that I feel like her being coupled with some
Speaker 1: of these other women, it kind of seems like they're
Speaker 1: more on the criminal, like haisty type of vibe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting for sure. I think what I did
Speaker 1: appreciate is sort of how at the end they kind
Speaker 1: of do separate Harley from the rest of the gang.
Speaker 1: Um they're like, oh, yeah, there there's those goods the
Speaker 1: Birds of Prey. I think if we do get a sequel,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if Harley might actually be in it.
Speaker 1: I think they might try and do with that and
Speaker 1: just go full birds are probay Birds of Prey. But
Speaker 1: if they do bring Harley in, I think it will
Speaker 1: be another situation where, um, they are trying to do
Speaker 1: something legitimately good, and Harley will be brought in because uh,
Speaker 1: there's something that she wants involved, or because of her
Speaker 1: relationship with Cassandra. They might be like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: to protect this kid, and she wants to be nice
Speaker 1: to these other ladies. Well, something that I if he
Speaker 1: was talking about the promotion of this movie, and I
Speaker 1: think it might have been I don't know if calling
Speaker 1: it Birds of Prey, which we all know in the
Speaker 1: comic book world. But a part of me felt like
Speaker 1: that might have been people that aren't as familiar, like
Speaker 1: you said, like it's not a Wonder Woman where it's
Speaker 1: like so known by its name. Um where I saw
Speaker 1: a lot of that conversation happening online. Now, granted, I'm
Speaker 1: sure that it could have been promoted a lot more,
Speaker 1: but you are going against trying to think of how
Speaker 1: to weard this. Well, it's characters that aren't the A list, right,
Speaker 1: which is fine, but I mean Marvel has been doing
Speaker 1: that we just talked about. Marvel will take se list
Speaker 1: characters and put them up And it's not that there's
Speaker 1: list like their storylines, it's just their sea list because
Speaker 1: people don't know them as well. Um So I feel
Speaker 1: like a part of that might have also led into this,
Speaker 1: like some of these women aren't as well, some of
Speaker 1: these characters aren't as well known, so they almost need
Speaker 1: twice the marketing. Yeah, it's it's interesting. I had. I've
Speaker 1: had this converss station like all the time with my
Speaker 1: friends and my coworkers because like, I am very familiar
Speaker 1: with all of these characters, um and I think of
Speaker 1: something like Guardians of the Galaxy, where it's like no
Speaker 1: one knew who those who those characters were, but people
Speaker 1: just trusted the Marvel brand so much at that point
Speaker 1: that they were willing to take that kind of risk
Speaker 1: with a movie like that. Also, it was PG. Thirteen,
Speaker 1: and I think that it also I think it's sold
Speaker 1: the storyline better in the trailers. I think that when
Speaker 1: you look at the trailers for Birds of Prey, they're
Speaker 1: not terrible, but I don't think they properly communicate what
Speaker 1: the film is about. And I also think that Hartley
Speaker 1: Quinn is one of the biggest DC characters out there.
Speaker 1: I think someone referred to her as like the fourth
Speaker 1: tier after the Big Three, which is like Batman, Superman,
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman, which is incredible for a character that's like
Speaker 1: literally my age because she was invented. But I think
Speaker 1: that at the point Birds of Prey came out, people
Speaker 1: were still kind of like about d C movies, They
Speaker 1: were still kind of about the whole vibe I think
Speaker 1: that Suicide Squad was really bad, and people didn't know
Speaker 1: if it was a sequel to Suicide Squad, they didn't
Speaker 1: know how tired it wasn't too that. So I think
Speaker 1: Birds of Prey unfortunately absorbed a lot of the d
Speaker 1: C e U stigma that was already in the ether.
Speaker 1: I would have thought that would have been over after
Speaker 1: Chasanne and Aquamanded. Well, but you have that. Plus the
Speaker 1: whole element of this is a female led superhero movie
Speaker 1: with like all women in like two villainous dudes, and
Speaker 1: it was the first I think it's the first female
Speaker 1: lead combook movie of this, like Ouvra that is really
Speaker 1: targeted and framed towards a non fid male audience. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean that in an inflammatory way, but I
Speaker 1: mean it's not. It's written by women, it's directed by women,
Speaker 1: that character designers women. It's very diverse. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like one of the few Marvel movies that will call
Speaker 1: a character gay in the text. Um. It is one
Speaker 1: of the few to have like actual like an older
Speaker 1: Latina lesbian woman in the front and center and showing
Speaker 1: up some very good delicate age at one point. So
Speaker 1: I think it just it was it. I think it
Speaker 1: should have done Deadpool numbers, But I don't think that
Speaker 1: the audience for Deadpool is inherently the audience for Birds
Speaker 1: of Prey, and that sucks because the movie is excellent.
Speaker 1: But I think that being rated, are having a cast
Speaker 1: that people didn't really know, and just being part of
Speaker 1: a brand that has been very messy just made it
Speaker 1: very hard for people to like take a risk on
Speaker 1: this film. Yeah, so I guess, aside from because my
Speaker 1: my answer, I guess was to do more promoting. Do
Speaker 1: you think that there's something else that could have been
Speaker 1: done to kind of get this film the attention that
Speaker 1: it should have. I think that it's because because I'm
Speaker 1: in New York, so I saw it promoted everywhere, so
Speaker 1: it's hard to present in that kind of industry bubble.
Speaker 1: But I think it. I think honestly, it should have
Speaker 1: been PG. Thirteen just for like an audience boundary thing
Speaker 1: like interne getting a broader audience, excuse me, And I
Speaker 1: think it should have just done more individual poster trailers.
Speaker 1: I think that they should have just called it um
Speaker 1: the Birds of Prey. I think calling it The Bridge
Speaker 1: of Prey and the Glorious emancipation of Harley Quinn, which
Speaker 1: just too long know and knew what that meant. You
Speaker 1: have just simplified the title, simplified the brand, and really
Speaker 1: worked curated in like put more promotion when we had conventions,
Speaker 1: more events for that, just more engagement in social media.
Speaker 1: I think they overall did as best of a job
Speaker 1: as they could, because I saw a lot of things
Speaker 1: for it. But I think that that's because I'm in
Speaker 1: New York and people, you know, put in money there.
Speaker 1: But I think other places didn't really get that same promotion. No,
Speaker 1: it's wild because when a totally different movie, but um,
Speaker 1: when Coco came out, it was like all over l A.
Speaker 1: But I would hear like fans and stuff on Twitter
Speaker 1: would be like, there's I haven't seen a single billboard
Speaker 1: or like anything for it at all in like the South,
Speaker 1: and so it was just kind of like, I guess
Speaker 1: maybe some places are picking and choosing where. I wonder
Speaker 1: if some places they're like, oh, it's not even worth it,
Speaker 1: they won't even go, you know. Yeah, because I had
Speaker 1: friends who lived in like Portland, and one of my
Speaker 1: friends lives in Kansas City and they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any promotion for it. Meanwhile, I at
Speaker 1: Times Square being like ten different Harley Quinn posters, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm seeing a lot of it, So I
Speaker 1: don't think it had that broad marketing campaign behind it.
Speaker 1: Where are all the people who are super in the
Speaker 1: hot topic and are like she was his queen and
Speaker 1: he was her king and nobody spoke between them. And
Speaker 1: it's like Joker and Harley. Where all the joker heads?
Speaker 1: Why did they show up? Obviously not, although I guess
Speaker 1: see that the hot topic line was phenomenal though several
Speaker 1: cass So it's it's really difficult. And I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at like the budget for this movie, and just
Speaker 1: compared to like other big main films, it was very small.
Speaker 1: Like the budget for Suicide Squad I'm looking it up
Speaker 1: right now was like a hundred and seventy five million
Speaker 1: dollars and for Birds of Prey it's between eighty and
Speaker 1: a hundred million. So it's like, you know, a smaller budget,
Speaker 1: you know, means like less marketing other places, and it
Speaker 1: just it's a bummer. Yeah, Well, hopefully people listen to
Speaker 1: I mean go and watch it. We haven't given anything away,
Speaker 1: so hopefully, um, no spoilers here, and I hope that
Speaker 1: y'all listening will go and check it out because it
Speaker 1: is super dope, and I do hope we get another one. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we'll continue. I mean, here's what I'm
Speaker 1: thinking is they're gonna pull in Poison Ivy, like straight up,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that she's going to pop into one
Speaker 1: of these if she's not already going to be in
Speaker 1: the Batman. Um. And that's what I want to see.
Speaker 1: I need, you know, now that Harley is broken away
Speaker 1: from the Joker, I need to go ahead and see
Speaker 1: her live her life with Poison Ivy. May have their
Speaker 1: vegan farm together and they're growing vegetables. That's like the
Speaker 1: world that I see next is like, now you're in
Speaker 1: this uh if you are emancipated and you know whatnot
Speaker 1: now you're in the healing process of like letting your
Speaker 1: guard down with someone who understands the life that you
Speaker 1: went through and like, I don't know very into it.
Speaker 1: I've read too much fan fiction. Now that's the truth.
Speaker 1: That's what we deserve. Yeah, give you what about you?
Speaker 1: What do you want to see for the future of
Speaker 1: this franchise or Black Cary I definitely want to see more,
Speaker 1: uh more like Birds of Prey content. I like, I
Speaker 1: like that idea that was just floated about. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: if the sequel was just the Birds of Prey and
Speaker 1: this was just an interaction with Harley, and if this
Speaker 1: was a device you also not only introduce us to
Speaker 1: the adventures of Birds of Prey, but slowly introduce other
Speaker 1: female villains like you know, maybe you know, like Poison
Speaker 1: Ivy appearance down the line, get some catwoman in there,
Speaker 1: you know, just slowly but just introducing the new like
Speaker 1: Rogues Gallery to the point where then they stopped being
Speaker 1: you know, friends and they actually go toe to toe.
Speaker 1: And of course I'm always pushing for having more ladies
Speaker 1: who are quote unquote older, because having Renee montoyat like
Speaker 1: that was just so amazing because it's just like, and
Speaker 1: we had a great resurgence is past year of having
Speaker 1: Jamie Lee Curtis and not Linda. Why am I blanket
Speaker 1: on her name from terminator? Linda Hamilton's Linda Hamilton's say
Speaker 1: Linda Carter. Linda Carter can come back to um. But
Speaker 1: like I'm they're badass, like there, they can still kick
Speaker 1: butt and like I really want to see that happening
Speaker 1: more in these comic book films. If we can have
Speaker 1: men playing like villains and superheroes until Robert Downey JRT
Speaker 1: so like, which it doesn't feel that old to me,
Speaker 1: but like we can have more women that are in
Speaker 1: their fifties and sixties too. No, for sure, my dream
Speaker 1: for my Birds of Prey sequel dream is that they
Speaker 1: will bring in Lady Shiva, because she's Cassandra Kine's mother,
Speaker 1: and uh, that would just be the And she's been
Speaker 1: a long time Birds of Prey like antagonist, and so
Speaker 1: it'd be perfect to bring her in and you could
Speaker 1: just see some amazing fighting. You can get like an
Speaker 1: older um well that actually plays Cassandra k is China
Speaker 1: is Korean and Filipina, so you can get like a
Speaker 1: brown Asian woman to like play this role and be
Speaker 1: like this awesome martial artist and just a lot of
Speaker 1: amazing female fight scenes. I think that'd be so cool.
Speaker 1: I'm going to nab her from Marvel, but Angela Bassett,
Speaker 1: I think we could. We didn't really get to see
Speaker 1: her fighting as much, and I think I think we
Speaker 1: can go ahead and pull her over to I just
Speaker 1: want to see I know over there. I think Selma
Speaker 1: Hyak is going to be in the Turnals, right, So
Speaker 1: it's like just more women in their fifties and sixties
Speaker 1: that I think are glorious and just should be kicking butt. No,
Speaker 1: I think you know, if that's in If if Birds
Speaker 1: of Prey the movie inspired, you definitely go out and
Speaker 1: like support them in the comic books and buy those
Speaker 1: comics so you know, people can can keep reading them
Speaker 1: and you know, spread the gospel. That's That's what I
Speaker 1: That's all I always like to say. I guess, Princess,
Speaker 1: what is one that you for people that are now
Speaker 1: interested in checking out Black Canary? Where do you have
Speaker 1: any comics that you recommend they hop into. I definitely
Speaker 1: recommend the Birds of Prey run that was by Gale Simone.
Speaker 1: I think it's very good at really explaining who the
Speaker 1: characters are, and you do see a lot of really
Speaker 1: good um Dina also her standalone theories for the New
Speaker 1: fifty two was also really excellent. She's tends to be
Speaker 1: put a lot more in Green Arrow because I don't
Speaker 1: think we mentioned it, but in the comics Dina Lands
Speaker 1: her primary love interest is Oliver Queen the Green Arrow
Speaker 1: they're like endgame and their relationship is great. And so
Speaker 1: in the Green Arrow Rebirth, she plays a really big
Speaker 1: role in that theory. So it also gives you really
Speaker 1: good Green Arrow Black Canary content as well. Well. This
Speaker 1: has been a another edition of Netificent Quarantined. We did it, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I was trying to do a play on Wars, but
Speaker 1: it didn't work. So I'm just gonna say, Princess, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: And do you have anything to plug? I right at
Speaker 1: the Mary Suit every day because I love it. I
Speaker 1: also do videos for PBS for insult. You can find
Speaker 1: me on Twitter at weeks Princess w E E K
Speaker 1: E S and um, I'm just happy to be here.
Speaker 1: You guys are great. So this was a lot of
Speaker 1: fun for me, So thanks for having me Superhero. Um
Speaker 1: I am at Miss Danny Fernandez and all the things.
Speaker 1: Thank you again everyone for being patient. We are still
Speaker 1: learning all of our audio. See it's better than when
Speaker 1: our first week when we had a record on our
Speaker 1: cell phone. That was rough. But we appreciate everyone that's
Speaker 1: stuck around and we're going to continue to try to
Speaker 1: bring y'all some fun good content to keep you, to
Speaker 1: keep you company while you're clean cooking all the things
Speaker 1: that you're doing. All the teams, Uh yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: the same here if you wide away on Twitter and Instagram,
Speaker 1: if ds on on Twitch, and uh, you know, after
Speaker 1: this week, uh, super Punch will be on hiatus until May,
Speaker 1: so I won't be on Super Punch nightly, but you know,
Speaker 1: still tune in to my personal Twitch and hopping the discord.
Speaker 1: The anime UH club is going off. We finished Black Lagoon.
Speaker 1: Now we're trying to decide on the next UH anime
Speaker 1: that we're gonna that we're all gonna watch. Uh and
Speaker 1: you know, and people are talking, having lots of fun conversations.
Speaker 1: It seems like everyone's really bonding during this quarantine in
Speaker 1: the discord, So don't be a stranger pull up. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: And I guess, like we always say, we will never
Speaker 1: get it, and it's okay, we'll pretend we did