WEBVTT - Episode 104: Black Canary 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.559 Hey, how's it going? Everyone? You are listening to another 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:17.000 episode of nerd Efficent. I am one hand of your 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.960 host if you watch away, but digitally sitting across from 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:24.200 me is Danny Fernandez. Hey, how's it going, Danny? How 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:28.320 how's your how's your core going? I mean it's going. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.360 I'm still I'm still writing on the show. So we 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:35.080 meet virtually, and um, that's interesting, you know, because I'm 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.920 like wearing a bikini top as a bra, and I'm like, 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.680 you know, like nobody really sees very much. I got 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:46.360 my like I got like tiny like yoga shorts on. Yeah, 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.239 Molly is a menace. Everyone asked about my dog, and 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:53.559 she's like straight up rear windowing it, just like watching 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:58.560 every neighbor and like barking at them to stay inside. Yeah, 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.960 she's she's uh pent up, got got that. She's going 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.160 stir crazy. She's like, I need to sniff butts. I 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.360 need to be out there running and smell the grass. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.319 She's like, stay home, save lives. She's just like screaming 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:15.479 at people. Yeah, I gotta stay inside. You better get 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:20.080 inside right now. How's your quarantine going? How's Naomi good? 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.000 You know, she's getting stir crazy too. I remember the 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:24.839 not too long and I took her for a walk 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.360 and her and another kid saw each other and they 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:31.280 looked like they both never saw another kid for years, 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.920 and I was like, all right, both relax, y'all need 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.839 to chill the f out. But other than that, good, 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.920 very very good, very good. I just got a box 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.760 set of yomi Azaki all his works, and I didn't 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.720 I didn't know he did the loop on the third movie, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.760 so that was like a nice, uh kind of surprise. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:54.720 But yeah, so I got that. I've been buying so 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.760 many blue rays I got ACKI to goring log on 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:02.320 big oh really and then about like a blue ray holder. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:07.080 I'm just gonna have so so much physical media. Well 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.040 that's good because a lot of streaming sites have been 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:14.360 like mine keeps buffering so much because everyone's on it 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:20.000 and it's literally driving me nuts. That's why I was like, Okay, yeah, 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.119 this is a good time, and like, you know, I mean, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.040 I you know, I will say, the streaming slights do 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:27.720 keep up with four K and stuff, so it looks 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.480 gorgeous either way, but there is something that just having 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.200 it pop it in and you're not you know, waiting 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:37.400 for buffering. You're just getting that crisp Crisp blue ray. 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.480 Uh you know picture. Uh you know who else is 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.520 going to have all the Miyazaki stuff. HBO Max, they 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.920 have the right, they're uploading all of it. And you 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.839 know they're my I was gonna say they're my baby mama. 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:59.640 We're in a relationship together. So well, this week I 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.000 have no segue. Last week I had the best seguays, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.800 but this week I have no speaking of relationships. No. Um. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.919 We have assistant editor at the Mary Sue. She's also 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.320 the co host of It's Lit from PBS. It is 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.560 Princess Week. Hi, thank you so much for having me, 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:21.840 Thanks for coming on as much. Oh are you binging 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:27.000 anything right now? I am currently binging Deep Space nine. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.239 Uh is my first trek, like for real, for real. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.760 I got really into Discovery and I was like, well, 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:38.280 let me watch the other black one and so and 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.000 I'm having a good time with it. It's sadly very 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:45.440 topical and relevant right now. Yeah. No, Joe, if he'll 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.280 be proud of me because the thing I've been binging 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:53.560 is Jojo Stories. I was like, oh, yeah, see how 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:57.320 you liking those buff men? Oh he's so thick. I'm 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:03.120 very happy he's so thick and just beautiful. Yeah, that's 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.000 what I was saying, is it's crazy how and Jojo 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.280 they do not neglect the thighs like they they all 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.760 their buff upper body, but they also have like ripped 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:18.480 quads too, Like that's what I'm talking about. He's like 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:24.039 if the Hulk were like royalty or something. Yes, oh 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.240 my gosh. Yeah, so I'm just I'm still in season one, 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.440 but I heard it gets even better, right, So yeah, 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.400 season season one is kind of hard for people because 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.880 of that royal kind of cheesy talk. It gets a 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.599 little better and part two of season one when it 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.440 like bumps up to like the seventies, and then after 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.680 that it's a little more current and that's when it's 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.360 really it's a really easy watch. But I didn't mind 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.760 it too much me, you know, because I actually love that. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:50.400 I was like, oh, this is hella like count of 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.800 Money Christo, Yes, exactly. Yeah, And then yeah with me, 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.839 what I'm binging is the show called Gintama, which is, uh, 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.520 it's a it's an of me, but it's like comedy 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:07.080 action and it's been really it's funny because there's they 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.400 do a lot of like topical Japanese humor, and they'll 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.600 try and you know how anime when its subs, they'll 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:17.000 like put a whole chunk of information at the top 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.080 of this, like you have to pose it because it's 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:23.000 like a paragraph explaining a joke within a paragraph of dialogue. 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.800 And I'm like, wait, hold hold up, hold up. But 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.920 it's been a it's been a fun watch. And uh yeah, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.479 I've just been enjoying that. So I'm real excited that 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.360 we're all binging some nice and nerdy things. Uh, we're 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.839 getting into some nice and nerdy things. Uh. Talking about 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.919 a character from d C who I feel like she's 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.680 she's been getting a lot of waves from Birds of Prey, 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.240 but you know, her name has been popping up, you know, 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:54.160 quite quite a bit because uh it was correct me 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.479 if I'm wrong, but she was part of them, or 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.200 I guess it was the same name the other Birds 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:03.039 of Prey that isn't the one that was the movie, 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.880 right the TV show? Yes, Yeah, she a version of 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:14.520 her was in it. Uh. Whenever anybody says a version, 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:19.599 I'm like, oh, here we go. Yeah. So, so, um, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.679 what if he's talking about this week we're covering Black 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.520 Canary and um if he did you get to watch 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:30.000 Birds of Prey yet? No, I'm an idiot. Yeah I 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.760 have it on my on my like que, but I 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.480 have not watched it because I've been doing all these 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:40.560 uh these super Punch live streams. Um, well, it is fantastic. 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.080 It's why. I mean, obviously we're all kind of up 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.839 in arms about the fact that it's not so good 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.520 and like not getting the credit obviously that it deserves. 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.400 But another thing I want to say is the fight 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:57.599 scenes are glorious, Like they're really good, like they're real choreographed, 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:03.640 um so, and just funny, like honestly just funny and 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.560 like dark but lighthearted, and it has you know, each 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.000 woman is so different and definitely worth checking out. But 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.200 it's kind of crazy because people were like, y'all are 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.600 watching Tiger King and you can't even spend ninety minutes 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:24.120 watching Birds of Preak. You know, you know, I fall 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:26.160 into that category where it's like, trust me, it's on 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.600 my list. It's definitely my stuff. I was almost going 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.680 to mess up and say, you know, the other word, 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.680 but it's definitely in my lane. It is just one 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.600 of those things where like it came out and that 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.120 that's what's so interesting too, I will say, because yeah, 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.720 I'm sure later in the podcast will really get into 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.880 just how weird it was for the promotion of this movie, 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.440 but even like now, when everyone's at home, it really 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.920 seems like they didn't do any promotion that it was out. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.160 The way I found out it was out was from 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.960 my friends posting it they were watching, and I was like, 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.680 that's weird. You know, you would think that you would 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.520 push this release even harder since everyone is stuck at 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:09.000 home right now, and you I don't know. It just 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.760 feels everything around, just the lack of promotion, both on 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:18.160 screen and on on It's like, you know, digital release 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:23.520 just feels off. Mm hmm, agreed. Um, well, practice, I 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:25.840 wanted to start with, like, what was your first introduction 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:30.360 to Black Canary that you remember? Um, So, my first 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.199 introduction to her was when I watched Justice League Unlimited. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:37.960 There's an episode where she shows up and I remember 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.880 the it's you see a panning shot and she's on 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:42.880 top of this truck and you see like her like 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:47.600 boots and fishnets first, and then she just destroys five 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:52.480 burglars with all of this amazing martial arts skills, and 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.320 I knew then that I was hooked. I just I 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.920 fell in love with that character. I loved how she 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:03.760 was both very like sexy obviously but like competent. She 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:06.320 can just step into a room and just destroy everybody 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.320 in there, either fighting hand to hand or using her 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.760 Canary cry. And I was a stand from that moment. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.240 What about you, Iffie, do you remember your first introduction 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.439 when he first saw her? Yeah? My my first introduction 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:22.120 went to black Canary. I think is when when did that? 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:26.280 When when did the Birds of Prey show pop up? 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:31.080 Let me let me see that in the two thousand's right, Okay, 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.920 Now there was like a live action version. The live 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.880 action one was there were a couple the earliest one 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.319 what's their list? One? Like ever it looks like ninety 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:48.160 nine okay, definitely not that, yes, and the Birds of 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.920 pretty like the actual show. Yeah, two thousand and two 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.840 when they did so, that was kind of like when 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:57.120 she kind of was on my radar for me. Uh 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.600 and definitely yet her Justice League appearances, but also, um, 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.920 she was doing some stuff during like the New fifty 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.160 two era, and I think that's when I got sprinklings, 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.360 like New fifty two. I was right when I was 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:16.839 in the in the like the the the critical mass 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.800 of me buying comic books and having a poll poll 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:23.600 list like it was. It was like the heroic Age, 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:24.880 and I think they were trying to call it for 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.640 Marvel and New fifty two. It was Brightest Day. And 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.600 then it led to New fifty two. We had the 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.480 Flashpoint event, and so I got I took this as 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.800 an opportunity to really get to know characters in DC 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.320 outside of me, And they had this really cool dead 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.000 Shot as a pirate, you know, because they did these 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.640 alt series during flash flash Point, because there was all 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:49.200 these alternate universe all these heroes, and one was where 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:52.720 Batman was Bruce Wayne's father and it was actually his 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.160 son that died and his son and wife. It was 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.120 like really cool stuff. But then at the New fifty 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.560 two stage, they kind of rebooted everything and I kind 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.319 of tried to get a little bit of everything, and 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.240 so she she was sprinkled around because there was the 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.600 Team um where they had Team seven I think it 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.400 was called, and and I was seeing a little bit 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:17.199 of her in that um you know, I don't remember. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.440 Maybe it was also in two thousand and two. But um, 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:26.000 I really remember when um she popped up in Smallville. 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:33.000 Oh yes, that was after oh yeah, and then of 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.640 course in uh in the CW word, Like that's that's 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.120 what I you know, remember until this movie, like you know, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.640 the most vividly, but obviously also in the animation and 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.280 the animated shows. But I think like actually the embodiment 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.600 of like seeing her in live action that was mine 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.040 until Birds of Prey, until this film came out. Yeah, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.640 but yeah, I mean before we before we get too deep, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.199 I think we can go in the the intro into uh, 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.640 you know, the nitty gritty of Black Canary, which is 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:10.439 the fact that Robert Canager and car Carmine Infantino created 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.000 the character in to be featured in Flash Comics as 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.319 a supporting character, appearing first as a Claddenstein crime fighter 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.560 who infiltrates criminal organizations to break them from the inside. 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.880 Black Canary was drawn with fishnet stockings and black and 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.959 a black leather jacket to conno images of a sexualized 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.440 yet strong female character. She appeared as a character in 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.760 a backup story featuring Johnny Thunder. Yeah, so this is 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.840 um from Carmine says, I was drawing Johnny Thunder, which 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:39.920 was not much of a character. I suppose he could 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.760 have been better because his Thunderbolt was interesting, but the 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.560 situations they were in were pretty juvenile. Bob Canag wrote 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.040 these stories and he had no respect for the characters. Wow, 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:55.719 it's always funny we discovered t there's so much. These 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.040 stories were nowhere near as good as the Flashtoys. D 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.840 C knew it. They knew Johnny he was a loser. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.360 This is a lot ut in the Black Canary to 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.320 the series. Immediately she got a good response and it 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:11.240 was by bye, Johnny thunder Nobody missed him. Wow, there's 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:15.360 a scrub. This is open public knowledge. So I don't 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.960 mind quickly spilling the tea on this Ben Affleck thing. 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:22.000 The Gone Girl commentary had a director's commentary. David Fincher 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.280 was like, there was a scene and he was like, oh, 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.680 in this scene where Ben Affleck just putting on a 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.760 hat and going through the airport and he doesn't want 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.840 to be recognized from the news, and he was like, 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:36.679 given like something something how unprofessional of an actor Ben 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.559 Affleck is He refused where a Yankees hat, even though 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.000 it would fit the character, because that's where the character 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.360 is from because he's because Ben Affleck is like a 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.679 Boston fan, and so we that lines up. That lines 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.800 up with and he said, he said, it's shut down 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.440 production for four days. So my guys had to sit 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.720 around for four days. We wasted and he just did 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.599 not care. He just eight up, was like he's unprofessional, 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:03.520 and I was like, and it was in a commentary 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:08.160 for his movie Wild, Oh my God. And in his defense, 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.880 if they tried to get me to wear a Celtics jersey, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:21.880 I'd be like, nah, him like I don't know. Like Meanwhile, 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.160 Chris Evans has been pertaining to be from Brooklyn for 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.880 life a decade, so it can be done. It's black. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:32.040 Canarias ranked the seventy one greatest comic book character of 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.040 all time by Wizard and I g and rated her 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.360 it's eighty one greatest all time comic book hero. She's 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:42.400 number twenty six on the Comic Buyers Guys to Sexiest 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.480 Women in Comics list. Wo yeah, you got a huge 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.520 bump up when it turned into the Sexiest Women in Comics. 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.760 We talked about this in a in our other episode, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.200 but it was kind of wild how anime women in 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.080 anime gets seen as being oversexualized. When you look at 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.680 our the comics it covers from the nineties, and it's 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.200 like boobs that are so big it's like painful looking, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.960 like it just looks. That's what's so funny to kind 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:12.600 of watching um My Hero Academia and how they have 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:17.600 characters like Midnight Um and um what is it Mount 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:21.440 Lady who are like overtly like kind of especially Midnight Midnight. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.360 Her whole thing is how sexual and how everyone finds it. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.160 But then when you think about that My Hero Academia 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.880 is based off of like Western comics, it's almost like 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.480 it almost makes you wonder if they're almost making fun 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.400 and winking at Western audiences of being like, oh, yeah, 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.800 you always make fun of anime characters, but here's how 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:43.680 y'all superheroes be looking. I think that right, because the 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:48.040 other women in it aren't like there's women that have smaller, 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:51.320 you know, bodies in My hero and so like it's 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.040 specifically especially because all my is kind of making fun 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:58.440 of or at least a nod to Western superheroes. But 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.960 it's just funny to me that we never talk about 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.239 our own stuff and we're always like, oh, they're sexualizing 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.440 it's like, no, we have that. Also, like a lot 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:12.920 of these characters are teenagers too, especially star Fire, Oh 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.760 my gosh, star Fire, Oh boy. And I don't know 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.560 if you remember Princess the new fifty two star Fire 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:23.280 that was so bad everyone had to be like, Okay, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.920 this we went too far. We went to it was 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.280 infamously bad that even fanboys were like, no, I think 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:34.280 this is a bit much. Do you know when um, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.600 when um Steve, when Steve Carrell in The Four Year 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.800 Old Virgin, he refers to boobs as like bags of sand. Like, 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:44.920 so that's what I think of with some of these comics. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.160 It just looks like the boombs are about to burst open. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.280 Like it reminds me of like when my sister in 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.880 law was breastfeeding. It's just like there's like busting out 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.200 of this. That's what I mean about pain for where 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.720 it's just like it just looks like they're about to 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:02.200 bust through their skin. Yeah, Cup runneth over for sure. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:07.520 Um So. At her Golden Age debut, Black Canary was 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.160 the alter ego of Dina Drake. Am I saying that? Yeah? 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:16.080 Dina Dina Dina Drake and participated in crime fighting adventures 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:19.879 with her love interests and eventual husband, Gotham City detective 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:25.679 Larry Lance. Did you princess like this run or like 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:30.040 her having a husband. I have to say my favorite 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.920 incarnation is actually her daughter. But I do like it 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:38.720 when superpowered women have scrubs for husbands, Like, yeah, that's 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.680 how I feel when I watched Wonder Woman with them. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:47.040 Steve Trevor, like he's very much the sub Like he's 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:50.560 very he's very much like she wears the pants and 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.919 he's okay with that. Um So, I do love that 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.560 about these d C ladies. If you need to make 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.960 a comic like that. The support of dad, Yeah, good, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.960 good supportive dad, And I like those concepts. I like 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.480 a good support of dad. I was like, yeah, mom 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.159 and my daughters out there fighting crime and I'm just, 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.840 you know, over here doing dishes. Um so. Black Canary 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.160 was originally a hand to hand fighter without superpowers who 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.640 often pose as a criminal to infiltrate criminal gangs. Later 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.520 stories depicted her as a world class martial artist with 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.639 a superpower, The Canary Cry, as a high powered sonic 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.960 scream which could shatter objects and incapacity and even kill 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.679 powerful floes. Um actually did really like how they showed 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.760 that in the new Birds of Prey movie. I was 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.840 like wondering exactly how they would um if they were 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:43.439 like burst out our ear drops in the theater, But 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:47.119 I felt like they did a really good job of that, so, uh, 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:51.880 you know, it's fun thing listeners. So after the Crisis 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.919 on and fitted Earth's event, uh, Black Black Canaries origin 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.600 was altered and the character were now two separate people, uh, 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.960 Dine Drake and her daughter, Dina Laurel Lance. And Dina 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:07.479 Drake married private investigator Larry Lance and acquaintance of James Gordon, 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:09.919 and after the loss of her husband and retired, Dinah 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:14.480 Lance raised their daughter raised their daughter, Dinah Laurel Lance, 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.080 who grew up surrounded by her mother's friends and former 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:20.760 teammates of the Justice Society. Awed by her mother's exploits 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.800 as the Black Canary and the adventures of the Justice Society, 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:28.159 Dina aspired to become a superheroine. However, the older Dinah 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.080 did not approve of her daughter's wishes. Well, if I 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.359 did want to hop into her powers, and we're going 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:45.200 to do that. Right after these messages, we are back. 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.440 We're still talking about Black Canary. I wanted to talk 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:49.320 about her powers because we kind of touched on them. 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:53.960 But Um, Princess, aside from her sonic scream, her Black 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.720 Canary cry, Um, what are some of the other powers 0:19:56.720 --> 0:20:01.800 that she's known for. Well, her other really abilities are 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:07.360 more her combat style. She is, after Lady Shiva and Batman, 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:11.000 one of the top tier fighters in the DC Universe period. 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:15.480 She's trained in like several different sorts of combat skills 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.760 and even with her Canary car that has changed over time, 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:21.760 but the most consistent thing of batter is that she 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:26.080 can basically kick anyone's but in any situation. Um. She 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:30.639 has beaten up Batman before and that was fantastic to watch. 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.119 I feel like most people have an advantage over that 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:38.040 man because he's literally wrapped in rubber, like it must 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:42.800 be so difficult for him to move all the time. 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.840 And then okay, so she Yeah, we have a list 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.879 here of like all of her different martial arts style, 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:52.200 which is like every style ever. Um. She has been 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:56.240 trained by other top tier fighters including Wildcat, Lady Shiva, 0:20:56.359 --> 0:21:01.160 Cassandra Caine, and wonder Woman. Okay, so, with the comics 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:04.840 in Oracle summoned Black Canary to work as an agent 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.840 for her. After a mission with her first agent, Power Girl, 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.919 went awry, the duo formed the Birds of Prey, and 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.080 when Dina began working with the Birds of Prey, she 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:17.199 got rid of her blonde wig and bleach bleached her 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:21.679 hair blonde, so she went full blonde. Um. At first, 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.119 Dina did not get along with Oracle, but eventually the 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:29.080 two put their disagreements aside and became best friends. UM. 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:33.040 As far as the Birds of Prey run, what do 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:35.880 you think A Prentice? What do you think? Like? Attracted 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.159 people to this comic so much because it kind of 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:42.520 just has lived on pretty iconically. I think for a 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:45.840 lot of people it was a great way to highlight 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.720 Oracle because this was kind of like the really big 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.320 thing that she had done post becoming Bad Girl and 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.320 now is Oracle. So it was great seeing all of 0:21:56.359 --> 0:22:01.000 these women coming together to basically pick a team. And 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.920 even though Chuck Dixon is the one who originated and 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.120 Gayl Simone took over this series in like two thousand 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.480 and three, I believe she really allowed all of the 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:14.080 women to have really interesting dynamics. They were left to 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.879 have genuine um disagreements as a squad but like really 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:22.359 build together. And I think that um, in comparison to 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:24.560 the film, what a lot of people really missed and 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:30.200 wanted was that Oracle Um Dina Countress relationship because that 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.800 was like the core three of the of the Birds 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.600 of Prey for a long time. Yeah, and so then 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:40.480 they ended up adding, um, you know Harley Quinn poison 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:46.320 ivy um. And I want to say Gail Simone, which 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:49.199 is just so she I know I've talked about on 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.880 this podcast her like women in Fridges, which is still up. 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.880 She's the one that kind of coined that term as 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.800 far as women being killed or hurt in some way 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.120 to further the plot of a man character. Um. She 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:06.119 is a treat to also follow on Twitter because she 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:12.680 is just flexing on people constantly. Um. She people will 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:14.760 be like what do you even know about comics? Or 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:16.640 like what do you know about this person? And she'll 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.600 like take a shot like a screenshot of her library 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.159 and it's just like she's like read the names on 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.400 it and it's just her name written on like all 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:26.879 of the comics is it's third Winner's trying to come 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:28.800 for her online because it's like do you even know 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:32.480 who you're talking to like, yeah, yeah, no, exactly, It's 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.199 so funny. I just love watching her flex constantly, but 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:39.159 also as someone that that understands how often women are 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:43.320 kind of just used as very stereotypical trophy ways, it 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.160 was so great to have her not only getting this obviously, 0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:48.040 but she's also known for wonder Woman. I mean, she's 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:51.600 one of my favorite oneer woman uh writers. But just 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.439 like being able to take full reins on this, and 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:56.960 same with the Birds of Prey movie, like just having 0:23:57.040 --> 0:23:59.960