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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink

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Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are going to give

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Speaker 1: you our perspective on the Ravens search for their next

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Speaker 1: head coach. A lot of moving pieces right now around

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Speaker 1: the NFL, a lot of reports, and the Ravens have

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Speaker 1: kicked off their interviews according to those reports. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to go through all the candidates so far that

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Speaker 1: the Ravens and talk about each of those candidates, as

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Speaker 1: well as look at John Harball, what could be in

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Speaker 2: And other news from around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So Garrett, let's just start right now and we'll timestamp

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Speaker 1: this is eleven twenty two on Thursday morning that we're

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Speaker 1: talking about this. The reported interviews for the Ravens so

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Speaker 1: far are with Brian Flores, the defensive coordinator of the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings, Davis Webb, the quarterbacks coach of the Denver Broncos,

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Speaker 1: Matt Nagy, the offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: Vance Joseph, defensive coordinator for the Denver Broncos. Clint Kubiak,

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Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins. So a list

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Speaker 1: of six right now as of today, Thursday, the Ravens

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Speaker 1: are reportedly going to interview Vance Joseph and Davis Webb,

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Speaker 1: both of the Broncos guys, because the Broncos have the

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Speaker 1: number one seed. Thus you can interview those even though

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Speaker 1: that their teams are currently still in the playoffs. You

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Speaker 1: Same would apply for Clint Kubiak in Seattle because they're

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Speaker 1: the number one seed. So, Garrett, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: openings right now around the NFL. There's eight a quarter

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Speaker 1: of the league is looking for a new head coach,

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Speaker 1: with the news this morning that the Miami Dolphins fired

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the.

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Speaker 1: Ravens, there's a lot of competitions. It's a game of

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Speaker 1: musical chairs here going on with all these candidates, and

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Speaker 1: they're most of these guys that I already read as

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Speaker 1: Ravens interview candidates are also interviewing other places.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What I would say, the two points that I would have,

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Speaker 3: the first and foremost is that I think the Ravens

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Speaker 3: through and find their next head coach. This is the

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Speaker 3: first time in eighteen years that they have been in

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Speaker 3: this situation, and Steve Bashatti and Eric Tacosta and Sashi Brown,

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Speaker 3: They're going to be exhaustive in their process to find

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Speaker 3: I have full belief in kind of the process and

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Speaker 3: eighteen years ago and John Hartball was not necessarily considered

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Speaker 3: and obviously that paid dividends.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think they have to make a conventional

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Speaker 1: higher like you're going to see all these names that

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Speaker 3: Think that that's I would definitely agree with that. Now,

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Speaker 1: And it could be one of them, and it's not

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Speaker 3: It does not have to be. So first, I think

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Speaker 2: It took twenty.

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Speaker 1: Plus days to hire John Harball, so like they were,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens were not in a rush the last time

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I don't think that this is going

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Speaker 3: That's the first point. The second point to me is

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Speaker 1: I'll extend it beyond that some other reasons why I

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Speaker 1: You also have a culture already set like you're not

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's attractive. I think also,

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Speaker 2: A great owner, you know.

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Speaker 1: Team, absolutely, So let's talk about each of these dates

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Speaker 1: we'll start with Brian Flores, forty four years old. As

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Speaker 1: He's also has head coaching experience. He was a head

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Speaker 3: So he's definitely somebody who I think would help elevate

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Speaker 3: of these other candidates were mentioned as as head coaching

439
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Speaker 3: candidates a year ago. Davis Webb is is a little

440
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: bit new on the scene. But sometimes that's all it takes.

441
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 3: When a guy feels like he's, you know, all of

442
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 3: a sudden the right play, the right coach in that moment,

443
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 3: it doesn't take long. And maybe this is the hiring

444
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Speaker 3: cycle for Davis Webb at only thirty years old, considering

445
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Speaker 3: he's interviewing or reportedly with the Ravens and the Raiders.

446
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Speaker 1: And he's also learned from some other great coaches, even

447
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: though he's so young, like he has a lot of

448
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: great learning experience.

449
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Speaker 2: I mean, even in going.

450
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Speaker 1: Back to college his college days at Texas Tech, he

451
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: lived learned under Cliff Kingsbury.

452
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Speaker 2: He was in that air raid offense.

453
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Speaker 1: I learned under Brian Dabele, Ben McAdoo, some some really

454
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 1: strong coaches, and now obviously Sean Payton and so and

455
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 1: there's other guys on that list. So I don't think

456
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Speaker 1: that his age is certainly a headline when you talk

457
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Speaker 1: about him, But I don't think that it's it's a

458
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Speaker 1: negative necessarily. And sometimes, like you say McVeigh and you know,

459
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Speaker 1: some of these young guys, I mean, Brian Billick certainly

460
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: wasn't this young, but he was a younger offensive kind

461
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Speaker 1: of you know, genius coming up through Minnesota and really

462
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: led to the Vikings to a lot of success before

463
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Speaker 1: the Ravens made him there got.

464
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Speaker 3: Well, there's been a number of coaches around the league

465
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Speaker 3: who kind of fit this. I'll say mold. McVeigh is

466
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: the poster on the poster for that. Kyle Shanahan is

467
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 3: in that mold of a younger offensive mine head coach

468
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Speaker 3: when he was hired with Fordye Niners. Cliff Kingsbury is

469
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: this way, Matt Lafleur is that way in Green Bay

470
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 3: having a McDaniel, Mike McDaniel, Yep, he's that way. And

471
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Speaker 3: so like there's a lot of different people who fall

472
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Speaker 3: into that category, and so this would be again another

473
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Speaker 3: example of that. And again I agree with you. I

474
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Speaker 3: think it's an interesting name and it'll be curious to

475
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Speaker 3: see how that plays out.

476
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Speaker 1: All Right, if we want to keep talking to offense here,

477
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Speaker 1: let's talk about the Seahawks Clint Kubiak, who is their

478
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Again, they're the number one seed in the

479
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Speaker 1: in the end and have had a lot of success

480
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Speaker 1: this year, been one of the most explosive offenses in

481
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: the league. Sam Darnold's going to the Pro Bowl, Jackson

482
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigbuzz the NFL's leading wide receiver. They like

483
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: to you know, kind of fits the Ravens identity. They

484
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: like to run the ball, but are still explosive and

485
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: still have a premiere wide receiver who's going off. And

486
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: Clint Kubiak, obviously a lot of Ravens fans will recognize

487
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: the last name. He's the son of Gary Kubiak, who

488
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: spent one season here in Baltimore in twenty fourteen as

489
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Speaker 1: the Ravens offensive coordinator and had a ton of success.

490
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Speaker 1: Was a really well liked guy around this building. Now

491
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Speaker 1: the Kubaks come with a defined offensive system. Yes, you know,

492
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Speaker 1: it's that kind of stretch zone run scheme, play off

493
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: that a lot of play action, all of that stuff,

494
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: which worked out well here in Baltimore, and the Ravens

495
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: even cried it after Gary Kubiak left after one year.

496
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: They try to keep it going with Mark Tressman. Basically,

497
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: I just keep running that. You know, he wasn't as

498
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: successful doing that, and so a lot of history there

499
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: a guy who grew up around pro football his whole

500
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: life and now is paving his own path and having

501
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: a lot of success.

502
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Speaker 3: Look, he will not be surprised or Clint Kubiak is

503
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 3: somebody who would not be overwhelmed with the magnitude of

504
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: being a head coach. I don't think his dad was

505
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: a head coach. His dad was a quarterback backup quarterback

506
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 3: out of John Elway for much of his career. He's

507
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 3: grown up around the game his entire life, and so

508
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: he understands what it means to be to be a coach,

509
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: to be in a locker room, all the things that

510
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 3: come with it, and so I think that there's value

511
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 3: in that. I think there was value in that when

512
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: the Ravens highed John Harbaugh and understanding the life of

513
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Speaker 3: a coach, and I think that you could make a

514
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: similar I'll say a lot of the similar things as

515
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 3: it relates to Gary Kubiak and now his son Clinton,

516
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: And he's one of the hot names on the market

517
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: right now. According to reports, he's got five different interviews

518
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: teams that have reached out wanting to interview him, and

519
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: so it seems like he might have multiple opportunities.

520
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna see a lot of that.

521
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: Though you do see a lot of that with all

522
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: of these candidates, you know. Right now, it's kind of

523
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: the preliminary phase where you're pretty much talking to everybody

524
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: and not until it starts getting whittled down a little

525
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: bit and you start getting in person interviews, then I

526
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: think we'll have a better idea of certainly we'll have

527
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: a better idea of who teams like and some of

528
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: the lanes that you see coming, you know what I mean, Like,

529
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Speaker 1: all right, this coach is in the mix for these

530
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 1: two to three jobs, Yeah, they're a finalist, and this

531
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: other coaches for these jobs right now, it's kind of scattered.

532
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: Kubek seems to be at the top of that list

533
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: in terms of volume.

534
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: Certainly, Van s. Joseph is in that same boat. You

535
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: know there's other guys.

536
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just he seems to be like the hotest

537
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: name just based on the number of teams that want

538
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 3: to talk to him. And he goes to Minnesota or sorry,

539
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: he goes to Seattle. They're the number one seed in

540
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 3: the NFC, working onder Mike McDonald. Of course, Ravens fans

541
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 3: know Mike McDonald well, and so Mike Mike hired him

542
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: this offseason. He was one and done with his previous

543
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, hired him to come in. He helped elevate

544
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 3: that offense. Jackson Smith and Jigba puts up. You have

545
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: the eighteen hundred receiving yards this year. And that's an

546
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 3: interesting point. Like when you think of Kubiak in that

547
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: stretch zone offense, you think of the running game and

548
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: their ability to churn out thousand yard running backs. Justin

549
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: Frcett was one thousand yard rusher here with Gary Kubiak

550
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: in his one season. And like you look at Kubiak,

551
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: Gary Kubiak throughout his career and always had excellent running backs,

552
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: Arian Foster, Terrell Davis back when he was ThEC.

553
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: What could he do for this running game and Derrick

554
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: Henry Nson.

555
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 3: I'm sure that is like so exciting thinking about the

556
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: possibility of having Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry and being

557
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 3: able to establish that ground game. But all that said,

558
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: they also he had success through the air again, Jackson

559
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: fifth and Jigban here the eighteen hundred receiving yards this year,

560
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: had a breakout season, established himself as one of the

561
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 3: premier receivers in this game. So it's not just a

562
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: running game that Kubiak brings. And I think that part

563
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 3: of the conversation with him is it's a defined offense.

564
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: And so when I go back to the big picture questions,

565
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 3: you want offense or defense? Okay, that's kind of the

566
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: one of the first questions. But then even what type

567
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: of system do you want? Because this is a defined system.

568
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: If you're bringing him in, this is the system we're

569
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 3: going to run. All right, let's run a spread out

570
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 3: shotgun system. Well that's not what he runs. And so

571
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: just philosophically, just what you want? Is this what you want?

572
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, and is a good fit with your roster?

573
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: Right, That's what I mean. That's what I mean.

574
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: Well, you have to also think beyond current roster construction

575
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: because that's going to change.

576
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.

577
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: So to your point, it's do we want to run

578
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: this kind of system and doesn't fit us right now

579
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: because the Ravens don't win right now?

580
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: Right clink qbiac.

581
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: I will mention been with five different teams ever past

582
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: five years. That's not really a fault of his. You know,

583
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: your head coach gets fired oftentimes, the staff changes, and

584
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: so he was with the Minnesota Vikings as their OC

585
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, then went to Denver's their passing

586
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: game coordinator and quarterbacks coach. Following year in San Francisco

587
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: is their passing game coordinator, and New Orleans is the

588
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator now Seattle OC. So learn from a bunch

589
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: of different guys, you know, that's kind of the positive

590
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: part of that, You don't. No coach likes to jump

591
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: around to a different team every year, but he did

592
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: get a lot of experience with a lot of sharp

593
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: minds in this league.

594
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: Yep.

595
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: The last one on the list year of reported interviews

596
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: is Anthony Weaver. And this is a name that Ravens

597
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: fans certainly will know as a player and as a coach.

598
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: Here a former defensive lineman here and then came back

599
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: as a coach and coached on John Harbaugh staff as

600
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: most recently the defensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins.

601
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: He was defensive line coach and associate head coach here,

602
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: so he did kind of get some of that head

603
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: coach experience under.

604
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: John Harball would saying many times, and the Ravens have

605
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: said they felt like Anthony Weaver would be a great

606
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: head coach in this league and that he deserved an

607
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: opportunity when he was here. He left after the twenty

608
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: twenty three season when there was basically a complete overhaul

609
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: of the defensive staff because a lot of people got

610
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: opportunities elsewhere. That's when Mike McDonald went out to Seattle

611
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 3: and Didar Wilson went out and got the defensive coordinator

612
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: job in Tennessee. Anthony Weaver was in that mix, and

613
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: he was interviewing at the time for the commander's head

614
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 3: coaching job that ultimately went to Dan Quinn. So he

615
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: interviewed for that job the Ravens that job. I don't

616
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: know if it was necessarily between him and Dan Quinn,

617
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: but he was one of the finalists for that opportunity

618
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: and the Ravens ended up promoting Zach Orr to defensive

619
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: coordinator here and then at that point, after Weaver did

620
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: not get the commander's job, he then went down to

621
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Speaker 3: Miami to become the defensive coordinator uh for the Miami

622
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: Dolphins and Mike McDaniel. So but again, super respected guy.

623
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 3: When he was here. I thought he was He's a

624
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: great leader. I think that he is one of the

625
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 3: nicest guys in the building, one of the nicest guys

626
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: in the building, just like knows everybody's name, treats everybody great.

627
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: He and zach or Man, that's tight. That's the tight race.

628
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: I know, like two nice, two really great guys that

629
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: are former players here that have that have gone on

630
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: to become defensive coaches and just a ton of respect

631
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: went to Notre Dame. Smart guy, and I think that

632
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: he uh. I think that he fits like two kind

633
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: of categories. One is he's got the defensive acumen and

634
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: knows the excess and no's but also falls into that

635
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 3: that leader of many category who is going to just

636
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: be a can kind of fit the CEO type if

637
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: you want that for a hate coach, he.

638
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: Uses leader, you know, and a leader of men.

639
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: And his defensive lineman really loved playing for him. And

640
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: so this is a guy, you know, the term player

641
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: of players coach, you know, gets thrown around a lot.

642
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: I would probably put him in that category. His players

643
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: really liked playing from now. Sometimes when you say that

644
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: about some of your labels, somebody is that it's like, oh,

645
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: can they can they be disciplined? You know, can they

646
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff? And I think Anthony Weaver can do that.

647
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: You know, you have to have both sides, you have

648
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: to be hard on sometimes. But I've always had a

649
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: lot of respect for Anthony Weaver. And you know, I

650
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: think part of it is the Miami Dolphins defense wasn't

651
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: light in the world on fire down there. You know,

652
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: you look at some of these other defensive candets where

653
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: you're like, man, they brought something. They were really innovative

654
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: and scheme wise, and they were really causing fits. You know,

655
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Speaker 1: Flores comes to mind with that, certainly, Vance Joseph, some

656
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Speaker 1: of these top top defensive guys. The Miami Dolphins don't

657
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Speaker 1: really didn't have that kind of season, but they also

658
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Speaker 1: traded away some of their best players at midseasons that

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Speaker 1: certainly impacted things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that Weaver. He's got a lot of

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Speaker 3: still friends in this building and so much a lot

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Speaker 3: of people who have tremendous respect for him, and so

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Speaker 3: I think I think he'll interview well, I think that

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Speaker 3: he could have a couple of head coaching interviews in

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Speaker 3: this cycle. Would not surprise me if he gets that.

666
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Speaker 3: He's interviewed for multiple head coaching jobs in his career,

667
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Speaker 3: and so would not surprise me if again he gets

668
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Speaker 3: a couple of a couple of shots this time around,

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Speaker 3: and maybe it's here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how many times like former player comes back to

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Speaker 1: the franchise that drafted him where they're like, Irabel just

672
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Speaker 1: did it exactly.

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Speaker 3: Jim Harbell had played for the Chargers previously. Like I'm

674
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Speaker 3: sure there's more examples that we just sit and think about.

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Speaker 2: It, but like that it is kind of storybook.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's there's a storybook ending there, and so he

677
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Speaker 3: but it's not just the story. I think that like

678
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Speaker 3: he's also a really good leader and and would be

679
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Speaker 3: a head coach, will be a really good head coach.

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Speaker 3: So that's the list of again reporter candidates, and I

681
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Speaker 3: think that all of them bring something a little bit

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Speaker 3: unique and a lot of talents and abilities, and the Ravens,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure are eager to go through this interview process

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Speaker 3: and get to know these guys and see if they

685
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Speaker 3: feel like any of them could be a good fit

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Speaker 3: here Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's take break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to have a conversation

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Speaker 1: with you about that offensive versus defensive coach and the

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Speaker 1: pros and cons of both those, as well as a

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Speaker 1: report from Ian Rapaport on kind of what the Ravens

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Speaker 1: are looking for from their next head coach.

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Speaker 3: So in terms of offensive or defensive, that's one of

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Speaker 3: the debates. That's one of the discussions as it relates

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Speaker 3: to how the Ravens could take this coaching search.

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Speaker 1: Ian rap Report of the NFL Network did have this report.

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Speaker 1: He said it did seem like a lot of the

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Speaker 1: focus here in Baltimore is to find someone to reach Lamar,

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Speaker 1: to invigorate Lamar and saying that basically, you know, he

704
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Speaker 1: had a tougher year by his own extremely high standards,

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Speaker 1: and that his report is that a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Ravens focus is to kind of find someone to maximize Lamar,

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Speaker 1: get him back that that MVP level that frankly we

708
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Speaker 1: saw at the.

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Speaker 2: End of the year and then the fourth quarter Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: He looked pretty maximized at that fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: Pretty great.

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Speaker 1: But like you know, certainly, I think it's it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say, like it was not his best season, and

714
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Speaker 1: he is your marquee, he's the centerpiece, and maximizing him.

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Speaker 1: If Lamar Jackson is playing at the top of the league,

716
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Speaker 1: the Ravens are really tough to beat, and so finding

717
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Speaker 1: a coach that can connect with Lamar bring out the

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Speaker 1: best of Lamar certainly, Yeah, that's that's understandable.

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Speaker 3: So if you hear that, I think you naturally think, okay, well,

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Speaker 3: let's just go get an offensive coach, because if you're

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Speaker 3: talking about maximizing the quarterback, well, that's an offensive side

722
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: of the ball thing. I don't think it's quite that

723
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Speaker 3: simple though. I don't think it's so simple as like,

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Speaker 3: all right, you want to get the best out of

725
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Speaker 3: your quarterback, go find the the best offensive mind. It

726
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Speaker 3: might be that way, but I think it's more holistic.

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Speaker 3: I think the Ravens will take a more holistic approach

728
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Speaker 3: to that and finding a way to make the best

729
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Speaker 3: team to also maximize lamar strengths, to reach him, you know,

730
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Speaker 3: to find ways to to elevate what he does best.

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Speaker 3: I just I think it's a little more nuanced than

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Speaker 3: just let's go get the brightest offensive mind, because that's

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Speaker 3: what's going to elevate this offense in this team.

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Speaker 2: In turn, completely agree.

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Speaker 1: I also think that there is merit to the belief of,

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Speaker 1: all right, you know what you have in Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: and Derrick Henry. You have the foundation, the building blocks

738
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Speaker 1: for a really strong offense, and of course you need

739
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Speaker 1: a strong offensive coordinator, You need a lot of great

740
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Speaker 1: ideas on offense. You can't just say, yeah, we have

741
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Speaker 1: two of the best players at their positions, we're going

742
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Speaker 1: to be alright on offense. You know, Zay Flowers one

743
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: of the best wide receivers in the league, and so

744
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: you can't just whatever chalk it up. But I think

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Speaker 1: that there is merit to saying if the Ravens get

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Speaker 1: a really strong defensive mind in here, turn around this

747
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Speaker 1: defense and get it to one of the best in

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Speaker 1: the league. If you have one of the best defense

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Speaker 1: in the league and you pair that with Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, Zayflowers and what the Ravens have offensively, with

751
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Speaker 1: the talent pool that they have, you're back. You're looking

752
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: a lot like twenty twenty three. So I'm just gonna

753
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Speaker 1: say I had when the Ravens were the number one

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Speaker 1: seed and went to the AFC Championship Game, except they

755
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Speaker 1: didn't have Derrick Henry, which I still think if that

756
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry trade did the trade deadline, they had Derrick

757
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Speaker 1: Henry on that team, We're going to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: that year.

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Speaker 3: That year the Ravens had the best defense in the

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Speaker 3: league with Mike McDonald as the DC and Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: was the MVP.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: And that's a good combination. And that was Todd Monk's

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Speaker 3: first year as the offensive coordinator here, and it just

765
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Speaker 3: all worked perfectly well. And if you have this defense

766
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Speaker 3: that's suffocating and makes it hard to get any yards

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Speaker 3: and is turning the ball over and put the offense

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Speaker 3: in good positions, those things, there's a ripple effect and

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Speaker 3: kind of snow balls in the right direction. And I

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Speaker 3: think that that's what was going on with that team

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Speaker 3: in a lot of ways. And the offense was good

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Speaker 3: independently of the defense, but there's no doubt the defense

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Speaker 3: put that offense in position to be at its best.

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Speaker 1: Let's also not forget who's doing the hiring here. This

775
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Speaker 1: is Steve Bashadi, Eric Costa, Sashi Brown, right, and specifically

776
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Speaker 1: to Steve Bashadi and Eric, they know what Baltimore football

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Speaker 1: has been about over the past, you know, thirty years.

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Speaker 1: It's been a defensive tradition here and I think that

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Speaker 1: there could be some desire to we want to bring

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Speaker 1: that back.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. They haven't sat down with us.

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Speaker 1: You know, during this hiring process and told us exactly

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Speaker 1: what they're looking for, right, nor will they, But it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if that is also a focus. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is your gym at the center of the

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00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: your roster, right, and you of course want somebody that's

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Speaker 1: gonna work really well with Lamar and elevate him, and

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Speaker 1: that it will of course also be part of the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator's job and the quarterbacks coach job or and

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Speaker 1: all that, right, But I do believe that getting back

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Speaker 1: to the Ravens defensive identity roots and bringing that back

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Speaker 1: here will be a focus as well.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: So, I just don't know that I felt like they

795
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 3: ever strayed from that under I know that it's become

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Speaker 3: more offensive focus with Lamar Jackson for obvious reasons. You

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Speaker 3: have that two time MVP as your quarterback, so naturally

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Speaker 3: it shifts more than.

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Speaker 1: That'll know, I agree that I don't know that the

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Speaker 1: vision has strayed, but the result, the result I mean,

801
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: in the past two seasons has not been up to

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Speaker 1: the Ravens defensive standard.

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Speaker 3: That's just the fact that the last two seasons stats wise,

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Speaker 3: have not. I think the vision, though, has still been

805
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 3: defensive minded team. And two years ago in twenty three,

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Speaker 3: they were the best defense in the league yep. And

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Speaker 3: they had some of the best throughout the hardballs tenures,

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Speaker 3: some of the very best defenses in the league, including

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Speaker 3: in that twenty three season yep. So I think that,

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Speaker 3: like the vision was always there, the results that were

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Speaker 3: not there the last two seasons. I honestly think that,

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Speaker 3: like I just and I know this is maybe dodging

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Speaker 3: the question of offense versus defense. I just don't think

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Speaker 3: that it's gonna be that. My gut tells me that

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Speaker 3: it's not so rigid.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that the Ravens are going in

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Speaker 1: saying we want an offensive guy or or we want

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Speaker 1: a defensive guy. And and you know, John Harball was

820
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Speaker 1: a special team he had a special teams background. You

821
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Speaker 1: need a leader of men, right, that's what your head

822
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Speaker 1: coach is. I do think it is important to bring

823
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Speaker 1: in someone with fresh ideas, who's an innovator, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's a big part of this job. Like I said

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Speaker 1: at the outset, this is not a culture reset in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that you're necessarily bringing in somebody

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Speaker 1: of that ilk where that's that's what they lead with,

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Speaker 1: is I'm bringing culture with I'm gonna totally reset. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna make this a winning franchise. This is already a

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Speaker 1: winning franchise. Right, It's about getting over that hump for

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Speaker 1: the Ravens. And does somebody that brings a lot of

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Speaker 1: innovation get you over that hump?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do they have to be a great leader of men, Yes,

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Speaker 1: they have to be all of that they have to

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Speaker 1: be a great seward in the community, they have to

837
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Speaker 1: be a great human being, they have to be all

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Speaker 1: of those things they have. For the Ravens, when you

839
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Speaker 1: have the number one most desirable spot, you got to

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Speaker 1: check all the boxes. Yeah, but I agree with you

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Speaker 1: that I don't think that they're going to box themselves

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Speaker 1: into saying an offensive guy or a defensive guy. I

843
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: just think like there's pros and cons to both of

844
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Speaker 1: those approaches.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The last point that I'll make on it. A

846
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: big pro I think to go offensive is that you

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Speaker 3: if you hire an offensive minded head coach, especially if

848
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 3: one that's calling the plays, you basically maintain your offensive

849
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: coordinator throughout the duration of that head coach's ten year.

850
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Speaker 3: And if you don't have that, and the Ravens have

851
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 3: experienced this, then your offensive coordinator is naturally changing because

852
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: if they're good and they have success, they're going to

853
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: get hired as a head coach elsewhere. Offensive coordinators in particular,

854
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 3: get hired elsewhere. And so if there's just more turnover.

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00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: Ball, which schematically with your quarterback all those things, it's

856
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: more challenging.

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Speaker 3: Do you want that you or do you want somebody

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Speaker 3: that you can just say we're going to pair this

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Speaker 3: coach who's an offensive minded coach, an offensive coordinator while

860
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Speaker 3: also being the head coach, along with Lamar Jackson, and

861
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Speaker 3: they're going to be together for the long haul. Here,

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00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: there's there's there's to that idea.

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Speaker 2: That's that's one of the pros of that approach.

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Speaker 3: And that and that's like, that's how it That's how

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Speaker 3: it's worked with Kyle Shanahan, That's how it's worked with

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Speaker 3: Sean McVay. That's how it was in Miami with Mike McDaniel,

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Speaker 3: and obviously he just got fired. But like there's there's

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Speaker 3: there's examples of the offensive mind a head coach who

869
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: maintains a play calling role, and that consistency and that

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Speaker 3: continuity with the system is valuable, and the Ravens could

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Speaker 3: op to go that route as well.

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Speaker 1: Now I haven't checked Twitter here in a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We probably have some more reports out here by Tom

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Speaker 1: certain type.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Seriously, the longer this goes, the more reports we're

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Speaker 3: gonna have. One of those reports is about John Harball,

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Speaker 3: which is that he will wait until next week to

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Speaker 3: begin the interview process. There's reportedly been nine teams that

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Speaker 3: have reached out to him, which obviously there's there's now

880
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: eight teams looking for jobs, the Ravens being one of them,

881
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: and so that leads teams that still have head coaches

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Speaker 3: reportedly that have reached out to him about their potential opportunities.

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Speaker 3: The other interesting piece of that, too, is there's some

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Speaker 3: speculation there's teams that are playing this weekend in the

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Speaker 3: playoffs could they move on from coaches and John Harball

886
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 3: be a candidate there. Mike Florida Pro Football Talk had

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00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: an article about that today, pointing to three teams in particular,

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Speaker 3: the Bills, the Green Bay Packers, and the Philadelphia Eagles

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Speaker 3: as potential landing spots if any of them were to

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Speaker 3: part ways with their coaches this weekend based on the results.

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Speaker 3: It's all speculations, all all hypothesis.

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Speaker 2: Well, Steelers on that list.

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Speaker 3: They were not this in this article. They weren't on

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Speaker 3: that list. It would be kind of crazy if being crazy.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, the New York Giants reportedly are quote all

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Speaker 1: in on Harball. There's I mean, as soon as the

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00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: Ravens part of ways with John Harball, everybody started linking

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Speaker 1: them to the New York Giants. Jackson Dart, you know,

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Speaker 1: strong ownership group. It's New York all that. Now with

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel out in Miami, there's a lot of links

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Speaker 1: to John Harball and the Miami Dolphins vacancy with Stephen Ross,

902
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Speaker 1: who has an affinity for the Harball family and big

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Speaker 1: supporter there. You know, that would be more of a

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Speaker 1: you don't have a quarterback necessarily in place, if you know,

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Speaker 1: do they stick with Tua or not? Whereas in New

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Speaker 1: York you have young Jackson Dart who you'd be working

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Speaker 1: with obviously. So it will be very seeing where John

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Speaker 1: Harball ends up landing again. I have full confidence that

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Speaker 1: he's going to have success wherever he goes. Was interesting

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Speaker 1: hearing from Mike Tomlin as well as his brother Jim

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Speaker 1: Harball about you know, John's dismissal. Mike Tomlin showed his

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Speaker 1: respect for John and you know, talked about the great

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Speaker 1: battles that they had over the years, and and again

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Speaker 1: to what we're saying, said, I expect him to have

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Speaker 1: a ton of success. I can't believe somebody asked Jim

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Speaker 1: Harball whether he consider bringing his brother onto his staff.

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Speaker 1: He's like, dude, he's gonna be a head coach in

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Speaker 1: like five minutes when.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no.

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Speaker 1: And so and of course you know said he's he's

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Speaker 1: the greatest coach he's ever seen, and so, uh, you

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Speaker 1: know what, all of us, like you said at the outset,

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Speaker 1: are still like processing these feelings around that and seeing

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Speaker 1: our watching our tribute video to John Harball Man. It's

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Speaker 1: just like a lot of great time, a lot of

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Speaker 1: great times with that man, and it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see where he goes next.

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Speaker 3: It'll be a little bit like honestly seeing Flacco in

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Speaker 3: a Browns jersey or in a Bengals jersey, like it's

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Speaker 3: it was weird. It was weird seeing Flacco back in

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Speaker 3: our stadium this year playing for the Browns. Yeah, that

933
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: was strange. And it's I think a similar thing of

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Speaker 3: seeing John on the sideline next year wearing a different

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Speaker 3: different hat.

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Speaker 1: You should go to the NFC, And that's what Jim

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Speaker 1: said too, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for that. As always, you can email us

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Speaker 3: at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. We'll

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Speaker 3: be covering this process throughout the next few days and weeks,

941
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Speaker 3: however long it takes for the Ravens to find their

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Speaker 3: next head coach. Thank you so much for listening. We'll

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Speaker 3: be back with you again soon