1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stephane 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: Never Told You, a production of I Heart Radio. And 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: welcome to another sub sub sub subsegment of fictional women 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: around the world. I'm very excited about this one. There 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: are going to be minor spoilers because as we record this, 6 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: the funale of the Disney Plus show Miss Marvel just 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: happened last night, and I stayed up late to watch it. 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: I put it off because I was like, I didn't 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: want it to be over right, But I stayed up 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: late and I was I can't, I can't put it 11 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: off anymore. And this is Miss Marvel is one of 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: my favorite comics. When I was kind of I had 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: two waves of being into comics, one when I was 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: younger and then one when like Marvel the m c 15 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: U was really taking off. I got back into comics 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: and I had a good friend and he just gave 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: me stacks and stacks of comics that he was like, 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: I think you will like these particular ones, and he 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: gave me Miss Marvel and I loved it, Like that 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: was probably my favorite of the ones he gave me. 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: And she's my favorite character to play in The Avengers 22 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: video game. Yeah, because she's she's very powerful, but she 23 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: can also heal and as somebody who's sort of I 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: just sort of stumbled clumsily into battle a lot of times, 25 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: I need that healing a little bit. She also writes 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: fan fiction under the name sloth Baby. She caused plays. 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: She basically has a pillow pet. She calls it a 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: sleeping pillow, but it's a pillow. But it's a big one. 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: But da, she's just a big fan. She's a big 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: fan of comic book culture. And she's very, very endearing 31 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: and so yeah, the Disney Plus show I love did. 32 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: It's very colorful and I think it's got a lot 33 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: of interesting visuals. And man Vlani who plays Miss Marvel, 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: who is Pakistani Canadian, she's fantastic in it. She got 35 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: the role over WhatsApp and says she just wanted to 36 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: meet Marvel stars. That was like her whole goal. Are amazing, 37 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: good job. I know, I love it. She's kind of 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: embodying the role. Yes, the head directors are a deal 39 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: l R. B and Lal Falla um And it got 40 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: a lot of praise. It was first female team Muslim 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: superhero um. It has a lot of pretty great showcases 42 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: of like mosque and Pakistani history. Um. However, as we 43 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: discussed in our recent episode on Obi Wan Kenobi, this 44 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: show also got a lot of review bombing bye toxic fans. 45 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: But because that's really color are full and fun and vibrant, 46 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: like it's you or fun, you know what? Lauren and 47 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: I over on safer here we got a a review 48 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: that we laughed too much when we're talking about Bob's Burgers, 49 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, I really hope this person just 50 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: sits and watch Bob's Burgers in total silence. The whole 51 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: point of Bob's Burgers was a comedy. Yeah, that's funny. 52 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: Like I don't watch many cartoons or many animations, but 53 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I know that much it was. It 54 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: was quite a quite a funny. Reviewers like you're an 55 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: interesting character for sure. Um. Okay, So again, I'm really 56 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: trying not to spoil this one too much, especially because 57 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: Samantha has not and I really want people to watch it. 58 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: It's great, so go watch it, but I am gonna 59 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: talk about the basics of it. And also, because this 60 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: is the Marvel Universe, it's messy. It's messy to corral. 61 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna I'm gonna give it my best in Samantha's 62 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: gonna support me from the thank you all right. So 63 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: Miss Marvel was fleshed out in and was a creation 64 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: by writer G. Willow Wilson, artist Adrian Alfahna, and editor 65 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: Sanna Aminats in Miss Marvel number one, though she appeared 66 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: in Captain Marvel number fourteen. So Kamala Khan a k A. 67 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: Miss Marvel is a Muslim Pakistani teenager from New Jersey, 68 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: Jersey City. Specifically, and depending on your cannon, she is 69 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: either a latent inhuman exposed to tearrigent mist or a 70 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: human hybrid, which I guess is ultimately pretty much the 71 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: same thing, but also, and I can't spoil it, maybe 72 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: something else so powers wise, this also gets a bit messy, 73 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: but essentially she has the power to manipulate cosmic energy, 74 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: which she can harness to create solid energy constructs and 75 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: or stretch and grow and in big in which I love. 76 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: I love that. Basically she can ye get real big 77 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: nice Yeah, depending on what you're watching, reading game you're playing, 78 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: she also usually has superhuman strength, durability, endurance and speed 79 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: and healing, and yeah, she's typically a really big fan 80 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: of Captain Marvel specifically Uh and assumes the mantle of 81 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: Miss Marvel, so she caused plays as as Captain Marvel. 82 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: Her parents are Yusuf Khan and Munipa Khan. She has 83 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: a brother named Amir and her best friend is Nakia Bahadir. 84 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: She later becomes really close with Bruno and they have 85 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 1: sort of a will they won't them. She's got a 86 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: lot of romance going on, like a lot of suitors 87 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: potential suitors. Um So, let's break down some of her 88 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: different origin stories, starting with the show Uh. In the show, 89 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: she is a huge fan of the Avengers and yes 90 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: specifically out to Marvel. She cause places her imagines being her, 91 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 1: though she does say quote a brown girl from Jersey 92 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: is not meant to be a hero. Um So, she 93 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: gets this family heirloom which is his Bengal, and it 94 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: gives her powers and through various adventures she earns the 95 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: name Nightlight, which is not the name that she wants, 96 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: but that's the many people give her Uh. And then 97 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: throughout the show she learns more about her family history 98 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: and she originally added the Bengal to make her causeplay 99 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: more representative of her, to make it more specific about 100 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: her and her family. Uh, and it has a lot 101 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: of the same things we've been talking about with generational 102 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: immigrant families. UM, relationships with the mother and the grandmother, 103 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: Kamala feeling like her parents don't understand her, UM, intimidated 104 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: by her parents and their expectations of her. She's also 105 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: at that point in high school when you're like getting 106 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 1: into university and thinking about your future. What are you 107 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: gonna do? Her mother did go on to support her 108 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: even in her uh superhero activities. UM, there's a lot 109 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: in the show about partition in the nineteen forties, the 110 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: splitting of Indian Pakistan, and then you've got at the 111 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: Clandestines and pre Islamic Jin's. They've got a lot around that. 112 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: You've got racism against Muslims and Pakistani's throughout, especially the 113 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: kind of anti superhero force in the show. UM, really 114 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: not respecting Muslim culture at all. And yeah, we get 115 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: to see Kamala day dreaming, trying to figure out who 116 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: she is and like coming into her own, really coming 117 00:07:44,840 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: into her own all right, So that's where we are. 118 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: The show definitely left space for season two, and I 119 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: believe there is going to be a season two because 120 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: it was called a season finale, not a series. Finally, 121 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: but you know, these things can change very rare. What 122 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: do they do a thing like, you know, making her 123 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: a bad guy somehow, I don't know whatever. You could 124 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: be talking about something we have an episode coming up 125 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: about that. Are sarcastic? Asside their promised So in the comic, 126 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: she was exposed to tear gent mist and became a polymorph, 127 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: able to stretch her body pretty much however she wanted. 128 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: At first, she would literally transform into a younger version 129 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: of Captain Marvel slash Carol Danver's, but realized that just 130 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: looking like her wasn't enough to actually be a hero, 131 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: and one of her first acts as a superhero was 132 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: saving a girl who bullied her who was also on 133 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: the show. And you can probably guess who I'm talking 134 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: about if you haven't read the comics. But I haven't 135 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: read the comics neither haven't seen the show yet, but 136 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: I will, but out of curiosity, because I have not 137 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: heard many mentions of the crystals except outside of Chilled. 138 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: So are they trying to bring it? They're not going 139 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: to bring it at all at all outside of the 140 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: comic um the crystals being the missed. Yeah. So okay, 141 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: So in Chilled, the miss is literally formed the crystals. 142 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: You break it and it makes it like a thing. 143 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering because I've never heard it outside 144 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: of Hill and now that you're saying that's a part 145 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: of the comics, it seems to be excluded everywhere else. 146 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: So they did, I I think, And you'll have to 147 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: report back. I need to watch Shield. Okay, but you'll 148 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: have to report back because I think they do include 149 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: that in Miss Marvel and people were like, oh my gosh, 150 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: what a big deal this is. I believe they do, 151 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: or they include something that's it sound approximates it at least. Okay, 152 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: that's what it sounds like to me. But it is 153 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: not what gave her her power. I'll tell you that. 154 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: Interesting mm hmmm. Okay. So in the comic, Kamala interacted 155 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: with Danvers, though they later had a falling out, which 156 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: also is a pretty big thing because we talked about 157 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: that in our Kate Bishop episode. Yeah, similar, similar thing. 158 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Never meet your heroes, Never meet your heroes. Accepting something 159 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: else we're about to talk about when definitely meet your heroes. 160 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm dropping a lot of spoilers for 161 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: future episodes. I gotta keep them books somehow, you gotta 162 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: keep them coming back, yes, or else they're just annoyed 163 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: because like what you're talking about, go away. They loved 164 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: this segment, Okay, all love this segment. Come on going? Yes? Perfect. However, 165 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: Danvers and Marvel eventually had their their reconciliation, and Danvers 166 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: gave Kamala her blessing and they fought aside each other 167 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: in a incursion. An incursion which does that sound familiar? Yes? 168 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: It does, so hopefully we get to see that in 169 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: the future, maybe Kamala and in Damvers. Oh yeah, okay, oh, 170 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: I believe so. And that's all I'll say about that. 171 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: I tried so hard, so hard, all right, just briefly 172 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: in the game, which I have played a lot of, 173 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: by the way, uh, she became in human at Avenger 174 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: con uh and helped prepare the relationship between the Avengers. 175 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: And this is definitely a case I've never meet your heroes, 176 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: because everyone was the saddest and was like, kid, ain't 177 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: not that ever gonna be fixed again your minds. Even 178 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: the Kenobi show where Lea was like we could trust people, right, 179 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: Everyone's like no one can you can trust no one? 180 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: Everyone sucks. It's like that. So it did seem to 181 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: work out for her, and she managed to kind of 182 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: patch up the whole Avengers and bring them back together again, 183 00:11:55,360 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: became one of the team UM and throughout the comics 184 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: she ran with all kinds of superheroes and villains, from 185 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: Spider Man to Wolverine to Loki to the Inventor. She 186 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: fought alongside the Avengers, though she did resign in order 187 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: to help the quote little People and joined a team 188 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: called the Champions. And yeah, I love her. She's funny 189 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: and smart and caring and very powerful and endearing. She's 190 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: a fan, she's a fan. Yeah, I'm just happy to 191 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: see like a more more representation to the diverse representation. 192 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: And she's so good, she's so good that I love her. Yeah. 193 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of great reviews from the people 194 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: I know and trust. Yes, yes, Well, I'm very excited 195 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: for you to check it out, UM And if you 196 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: haven't checked it out, listeners, uh please do so. I 197 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: recommend it. And in the meantime, if there's someone you 198 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: would like us to showcase in this segment, well let 199 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: us know. You can email us at stuff media mom 200 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: Stuff that I Hurt Meat dot com. You can find 201 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: us on Twitter at momst podcast, our Instagram at stuff 202 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: I've Never Told You Things. 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